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Member #4591
03-20-18, 15:39
The coyotes are usually younger and sexier and can be barfined even at all the Man from Iran's clubs in Soi Cowboy. Coyotes still go with customers, it's just they can use that excuse to be pickier. You have to proceed this way. If one grabs you as you walk by, and she catches your attention, you ask "are you able to bar fine and how much?" If she says no, you move on. If she says "yes," you go and drink with her. Before she orders the first drink, you call mamasan over and pay the barfine. Then hang out and have a few drinks with her before going to off to fuck her. Drinks are 200 baht, but they like to do the tequila chased with a Coke. That's 200 + 200. That's how you deal with those coyotes. Simple as that. Most guys don't want to be that straight forward because they are afraid they might get their egos hurt. They want to believe the girls actually likes them. Are guys here to get laid or fall in love?Sometimes you surprise me with some good advice. You have to me upfront and straight to the point with these girls. If you ask them first, they will say yes you can bar fine them. Then after you spend a fortune on drinks, they will blow you off. Seal the deal first and then have some fun. I would even go as far as it staying for drinks after the bar fine. Bar fine, take her to the ST room or your hotel, then after the deed is done, if you want to chill out drinking or take her to a club, then so be it.
On a side note. Some times your posts are unrealistic and unbelievable. I wish you would post more good advice like this instead of bragging about your taste in women and how good you are at snoozing the ladies. You have a lot to offer the forum in the way of good advice. I look forward to more of your posts if they mirror this one.
Cheers,
Dog.
Ggekko2009
03-20-18, 15:44
If your hotel is in the lower Suk area, don't fret too much about the metre. They will charge 100-150 no metre. The normal price might be 70 Baht with the metre. If you can't afford that while you have a sweet young thing on your arm you picked up from the club, then I would think twice about clubbing. Head to a bar outside the area maybe like Mixx or how about just finding a freelancer to spend your days with. Don't get hung up on the taxi metre thing unless you are staying in Lat Phrao or Bangna or some place out of the area where they ask 300-500 Baht for a taxi ride that would cost normally 100 Baht.Thanks and good to know what to expect. I could have easily tip them 50-100 Baht if they run meter, and I guess it will be less hassle to just pay them flat rate with all the traffic and such. I plan to stay in hotel near BTS Chit Lom area, so I guess this works out.
Uncle Volodya
03-20-18, 16:10
Afterwards I went over to Thermae and was very disappointed. I went in around 10 pm, got a beer and sat towards the back side by the jukebox. I keep reading that if you're Asian (Japanese), I'm Chinese but they don't know I'm not a Japanese. You're almost guaranteed success if you're Japanese. I sat there for almost an hour like a fly on the wall and not one girl tried to come proposition me so I just left.
Only the older, less attractive, girls will approach you. You almost alwasy have to make the first move at Thermae. But it is true that it does help if you are asian.
Uncle Volodya
03-20-18, 16:16
You will also find some near Thermae or outside Sofitel Sukhumvit. Head over to the Grace Hotel as well. I have had luck on Soi 3 with some massage girls very late at night as well. Took home a nice girl to my room for 2,500 Long time. Full on GFE like my regular girlfriend if that makes sense. Freelancers like to work the bars and cart bars. If you go to Soi 23, there are 2 cart bars at the top of the Soi. The girls migrated over from Soi 22 and they open around 11:00 PM. They are all young, under 23 and nice to party with. Head to Thonglor and you will find them in the clubs on Thonglor soi 10 but you can't be so obvious as their are many regular high so Thai girls there as well. There used to be a Bar Boss Pub or Bossy pub in the Petchaburi Road area with lots of FLs. Thai Friendly, Tinder, We Chat and Badoo are also great Apps to find the FLs. Just do a search nearby and you will find many in all the areas of Suk.Damn I wish I had read this when I was out looking for FLs in BKK at the beginning of the month. I miss those Cart bars on Sukhumvit. They were fun. Now I'm sorry I never made it East of Termina 21.
I looked for FLs at Thermae (mostly so-so but bailed me out at the end of one night), Insanity and Levels (awful. Girls are way past their expiration date), the carpark and area around Nana (nothing that tickled my fancy), and walking around Soi 11 (too old or fat for my tastes).
Sad but true. America is a land of fat asses, with two-thirds of the population overweight and one-third obese. This is what happens when food is loaded with sugar and junk everywhere here. Check out the stats and these are facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_StatesAmerican women are the babes we love to hate. The fact of the matter though is that when we are back home we wank to the good old Yankee girls on porn sites. They are our physical ideals. They are our mental too. My happiest times were those I spent with my former significant other. We tend to forget the good times when the bad times roll along. Yep they give us the best and the worst. However, its because of the bad times that I won't go back to a relationship with an American woman.
Sad but true. America is a land of fat asses, with two-thirds of the population overweight and one-third obese. This is what happens when food is loaded with sugar and junk everywhere here. Check out the stats and these are facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_StatesIf you die of old age in America, you only have yourself to blame.
Member #4698
03-20-18, 23:30
American women are the babes we love to hate. The fact of the matter though is that when we are back home we wank to the good old Yankee girls on porn sites. They are our physical ideals. They are our mental too. Nope, not me. My favorite internet porn girls are Japanese then Ukranian & Hungarian girls in that order with American girls a distant 5th or 6th. I also like slim, fit Brazilian girls. But I really like Japanese lesbian porn best followed up with natural breasted, slim, no fat Ukranian & Hungarian lesbian porn. I would love to meet some of those girls. Ha Ha.
I can still find very sexy Japanese 141 dot com hotel reservation girls in HKG for a steep price and occasionally a few gorgeous, genuine Japanese girls in Macau for even more $$$, but sadly I missed out on the 90's in newly liberated Eastern Europe. I hear it was an amazing time back then. A real once in a lifetime lost opportunity!
Member #4698
03-20-18, 23:46
If you die of old age in America, you only have yourself to blame.America is no country for old men. But it's the same for most of the rest of the Western 1st World as well. I plan on dying in SE Asia in about 50 years, 555, with a couple of my favorite girls crying by my bedside over my remains. I want it written on my tombstone, "He loved young Asian girls."
Crocodilexp
03-21-18, 00:16
I plan on dying in SE Asia in about 50 years, 555, with a couple of my favorite girls crying by my bedside over my remains. I want it written on my tombstone, "He loved young Asian girls."Unfortunately, I wouldn't be counting on that. Mongering in Thailand has gone notably downhill over the last 10 years, and worse yet, virtually no places in East / Southeast Asia have gotten better (China had a huge crackdown, Jakarta is a shadow of its former self).
We can only speculate what will happen in 50 years, but it looks bleak. For what it's worth, Times Square in New York City was swarming with prostitutes back in the 1970's (40-50 years ago). Enjoy it while it lasts and prepare a plan be (fishing, perhaps) when it no longer does.
LOL, Natty. I'll probably beat you to it, tho. Hopefully my demise happens during a Viagra-fueled BBBJ or intense fucking by some beautiful busty chick.
America is no country for old men. But it's the same for most of the rest of the Western 1st World as well. I plan on dying in SE Asia in about 50 years, 555, with a couple of my favorite girls crying by my bedside over my remains. I want it written on my tombstone, "He loved young Asian girls."
Member #4698
03-21-18, 00:53
We can only speculate what will happen in 50 years, but it looks bleak. <snip> Enjoy it while it lasts and prepare a plan B (fishing, perhaps) when it no longer does.Right. I would be more surprised than anyone if I were still above ground 50 years from now let alone still shagging young Thai girls because I am on the wrong side of 55. But I am ok with that. The last 25 years, after I figured out what I wanted from girls, have been great. I most likely have 10 to 15 years tops left for Go Go's and Bordellos afterwhich time I will be forced by the laws of gravity (age) if nothing else to settle down with a few of my favorite girls and watch sunsets on the beach, ha ha, most likely in southern Thailand or somewhere else warm & friendly. But who knows? All I really know is I will keep doing what I like doing until I can't anymore and then I will find something else I like doing yada yada until my song is over.
It is true that the recent trends in mongering worldwide have not been positive. ("Bleak" in your words.) But lots of good times can still be had currently in places like BKK, Pattaya, Jakarta, MNL ect. And we are talking about the world's oldest profession here. I am pretty sure it will still be around in some form or other in 50 / 100 years. The situation will ebb and flow like the tides. My advice to guys in their 20's is; make a lot of money. You are going to need it.
LOL, Natty. I'll probably beat you to it, tho. Hopefully my demise happens during a Viagra-fueled BBBJ or intense fucking by some beautiful busty chick.Ha ha. I had no clue that Viagra was at all useful for BBBJs. I though it was for marathon fuck sessions. If a BBBJ is top standard, it should be enough, I think. I am sure the girls hate for BJ customers to take Vit V and last for far too long. Severe jaw ache could set in.
Right. I would be more surprised than anyone if I were still above ground 50 years from now let alone still shagging young Thai girls because I am on the wrong side of 55. But I am ok with that. The last 25 years, after I figured out what I wanted from girls, have been great. I most likely have 10 to 15 years tops left for Go Go's and Bordellos afterwhich time I will be forced by the laws of gravity (age) if nothing else to settle down with a few of my favorite girls and watch sunsets on the beach, ha ha, most likely in southern Thailand or somewhere else warm & friendly. Coyotes and LBs! They're fucking everywhere!
I still have this thing about liking naked girls that are close to perfect, so when then are no more nudie gogos, all taken over by Coyoties and LBs, I will be sad. Strangely my fav CH girl is a girl shy to be totally naked, even if can see the pussy under the skirt (LOL) and even though her body is so sleek and perfect (no baby no scars no sag). I do make her get her gear off though, in private, since she is no use to me clothed.
Down with Coyote double layer padded hard case bras. My pet hate.
Oily MPs should have girls wearing as little as possible for the line up. Very skimpy see though underwear at most. Not stupid Addict uniforms that hide the body disasters.
I have not tried a new bargirl for several months. Just did not find one exciting enough (and pretty enough) to take the risk, other than odd Coyote where the BF was too steep to risk it. I am also in steep decline, little doubt.
Afterwards I went over to Thermae and was very disappointed. I went in around 10 pm, got a beer and sat towards the back side by the jukebox. I keep reading that if you're Asian (Japanese), I'm Chinese but they don't know I'm not a Japanese. You're almost guaranteed success if you're Japanese. I sat there for almost an hour like a fly on the wall and not one girl tried to come proposition me so I just left.
Some experienced girls in Bangkok can tell if you are Chinese or Japanese, and one mamasan could look at guys passing her bar and tell me if they were from Singapore, or Korea, Japan, American Chinese, whatever, from the way they dressed, looks, and manner.
So I am betting many girls can tell you are chinese.
You would easily observe that guys do the approaching in Thermae. Why would you have it any other way? I have had a girl grab my arm as I passed on a circuit on occasions, but I don't like girls to approach, simply because those are generally not my choice. I am too fussy. Also being long sighted, I cannot see girls properly if they get too close, especially cannot check out the figure of the girl properly. I like to take time to check out a girl and her behaviour before I approach her, lest I make the wrong choice. Could be bad body or bad attitude.
Unfortunately being slow, is not best practice in Thermae, as Jap guys steal away my possible prospective girl all too quickly.
Right. I would be more surprised than anyone if I were still above ground 50 years from now let alone still shagging young Thai girls because I am on the wrong side of 55.
It is true that the recent trends in mongering worldwide have not been positive. ("Bleak" in your words.) But lots of good times can still be had currently in places like BKK, Pattaya, Jakarta, MNL ect. And we are talking about the world's oldest profession here. I am pretty sure it will still be around in some form or other in 50 / 100 years. The situation will ebb and flow like the tides. My advice to guys in their 20's is; make a lot of money. You are going to need it.50 years from today? They are pretty much advanced now with a silicon gal having interactive capacities. Big question is: with lithium batteries inside, where shall you dispose of it when dropping her off for "divorce"? Recyclable plastic or dangerous products? LOL.
50 years from today? They are pretty much advanced now with a silicon gal having interactive capacities. Big question is: with lithium batteries inside, where shall you dispose of it when dropping her off for "divorce"? Recyclable plastic or dangerous products? LOL.What is all this interactive bullshit bit? The last thing I need is an all silicone girl that talks. I can't even stand a less than perfect nose job or a very obvious tit job. If one has not got a real girl with a real pussy, what is wrong with the old self hand job to porn?
Unless they can make a girl to almost "Ex-Machina" (a movie) quality (maybe in 200 years from now), it will be a waste of time. I can't even believe that sex dolls sell, except to buy for someone as a prank. Did anyone actually buy one? I don't even understand sex toys supposedly for men. The only useful toy is a vibrator or vibrating dildo for women (most likely). Perhaps those Ben-Wa balls are good (no clue). Never seen a toy that interested me at all. Did any guys actually find a sex toy of any type that was good for themselves rather than the girl? Maybe guys found something to shove up their asses?
I have had sex with a girl who was using a vibe concurrently, but it did nothing for me at all. I guess guys like me are stimulated by completely different feelings.
Maybe my imagination is not as good as guys that can imagine they are doing a real woman.
Guys who need their girls to be very low cost, can go to live or stay in China, Cambodia, or even Africa, right? I can't imagine why expats go to live in China other than to get girls very easily or very cheaply. The culture and society seems ugly to me (based on limited visits).
Come on S. They move a little and swing their hips. They are bored as ever and are excited to get off the stage and into a mans arms with an LD. I guess it's an age thing that we want a mellow place with class. Thais give us what they think we want. Or what sells.
And for music Latin Jazz and Brazilian Jazz can bring out the rhythm in anyone. I thinking mood that tickles the sense of hearing as well as the sense of sight.
RL.Moved thread.
Girls can be very lazy and some can be energetic. Some dance like crazy as though they were in a disco. I do notice a complete change in girls when it changes from music they like to dance to, to useless music, and suddenly their dancing stops (not every girl).
I talk to the girls. They complain a lot when they don't like the music and it helps make them lazy. Some girls realise a bit of sexy dancing helps with the sales. I rarely pick a girl too lazy to dance at all, since she will probably be just as lazy on the bed. If the girl at least makes some effort when the music is to her liking, that helps.
Some bars are using music that suits the typical customers of various ages. That sometimes starts as old as the rock era, but rarely older than that, perhaps the odd very popular rock and roll type.
In some bars the music is largely what the DJ likes himself. That can be bad for the customers and for the girls. Some bars just play screech and thump disco stuff that can barely be called "music". Most bars have a mixture of terrible stuff and okay Stuff in various proportions.
Girls that used to work at Sheba a few years back, almost all appreciated that the DJ had a music selection liked by both girls and customers. I remember discussions with girls on the topic, and how they hated the DJ at certain other bars. No it was not including Jazz as far as I can remember. My personal taste is not in favour of very slow paced Jazz. If they played that, I would soon get pissed off.
I might be old but I can accept some songs from the modern era, if musical and providing not too cutesy. Even found something the girls liked by Nicki Minaj to be acceptable to me. Something about a spaceship. LOL I never previously listened to Nicki at all. I would prefer Sia, Rihanna, Adele, etc. As examples, from modern era artists.
We do have to realise that there is limited stuff from 50+ years ago that the girls are going to like to dance to. In most bars the music is ostensibly for dancing. Perhaps small bars like Jungle Jims are trying to provide more to very very old customer tastes and just make the girls try to put up with whatever shit gets requested.
America is no country for old men. But it's the same for most of the rest of the Western 1st World as well........Germany is excellent for old men. I have seen men older than my dad (I am over 60) in FKKs having a great time.
Hi Guys,
I have tried RTFF but thought I'd ask here for some updated info if anyone would be kind enough to share. I will be in BKK for 5 nights over the Easter weekend and wanted to check out CIS / Arab girls. RTFF and all I could come up with was the area around Grace Hotel and the Arab area on Sukhumvit.
Can anyone share some advice on where to find CIS / Arab girls in BKK? Living in Sydney, I'm tired of Thai, Chinese girls.
Cheers,
BR.
Germany is excellent for old men. I have seen men older than my dad (I am over 60) in FKKs having a great time.And it's a first world nation, with rule of law, 4 seasons, etc etc. Don't know why Germans would bother coming over here.
Arab girls in BKK? Living in Sydney, I'm tired of Thai, Chinese girls.
Cheers,
BR.Go Dubai or Istanbul for that, Makes no sense from a financial POV, why travel that far for less money!
If an Arab girl is working in BKK its because she did something that disqualified her from working in Dubai, Dubai moral police are known for terminating the visa of prostitutes who fight with clients or get out of shape. The genuine looking Arab women that you might occasionally see are annoying wives mate-guarding their husbands during their "medical" trip, those trips are usually ran by the Gulf nations Government for employees.
Member #4591
03-21-18, 14:57
Hi Guys,
I have tried RTFF but thought I'd ask here for some updated info if anyone would be kind enough to share. I will be in BKK for 5 nights over the Easter weekend and wanted to check out CIS / Arab girls. RTFF and all I could come up with was the area around Grace Hotel and the Arab area on Sukhumvit.
Can anyone share some advice on where to find CIS / Arab girls in BKK? Living in Sydney, I'm tired of Thai, Chinese girls.
Cheers,
BR.Why on earth anyone would come to Thailand for these girls is behind me. Also how can you be tired of Thai girls living in Australia. Are there boat loads of Thai girls living and fucking for money there? Anyways, the only place you can find these girls is between Soi 3 and Soi 5 of the lower Sukhumvit area. They are out from of a Grace Hotel or in the local bars in the area.
What is all this interactive bullshit bit? The last thing I need is an all silicone girl that talks. I can't even stand a less than perfect nose job or a very obvious tit job. If one has not got a real girl with a real pussy, what is wrong with the old self hand job to porn?
Unless they can make a girl to almost "Ex-Machina" (a movie) quality (maybe in 200 years from now), it will be a waste of time. I can't even believe that sex dolls sell, except to buy for someone as a prank. Did anyone actually buy one? I don't even understand sex toys supposedly for men. The only useful toy is a vibrator or vibrating dildo for women (most likely). Perhaps those Ben-Wa balls are good (no clue). Never seen a toy that interested me at all. Did any guys actually find a sex toy of any type that was good for themselves rather than the girl? Maybe guys found something to shove up their asses?
I have had sex with a girl who was using a vibe concurrently, but it did nothing for me at all. I guess guys like me are stimulated by completely different feelings.
Maybe my imagination is not as good as guys that can imagine they are doing a real woman.
Guys who need their girls to be very low cost, can go to live or stay in China, Cambodia, or even Africa, right? I can't imagine why expats go to live in China other than to get girls very easily or very cheaply. The culture and society seems ugly to me (based on limited visits).I was just kidding about the "interactive silicon girl".
By all means, I am totally against it.
But seeing the efforts of the junta to clean low sukhumbit, I can imagine that can be on offer in some of the gogo at nep turned into a "chose your doll" rental.
Questions to the veterans that frequent the BJ bars. You guys ever go too often that the girl you had the day before will have hard feelings that you didn't pick her today? After the line up and you pick the new flavor of the day and send the rest packing when yesterday's girl is walking out with the rest. Any ISG brothers ever feel guilty?
I think one is hooked on me because we exchanged Line numbers and she keeps texting me to come see her. I was to return BUT I don't want a relationship jeez! Now I feel obligated to pick her! FML.
As I read somehwere that a couple of the happy ending massage parlors down Soi 22 are having glory hole tables, I went there to give it a try. Before I went in, I sat at the bar on the corner and had a beer. The place offered a good view of the entrances to the massage place in the small side soi that's lined with the happy ending places. So while having my beer I could see some of the girls coming and going to paradise massage, Hi guys,
I was wondering if anyone else had been to paradise massage for the milking table / glory hole table, and if anyone knew which other massage places did this?
Thanks.
I think one is hooked on me because we exchanged Line numbers and she keeps texting me to come see her. I was to return BUT I don't want a relationship jeez! Now I feel obligated to pick her! FML.My advice is the same regardless of venue. Of course the ladies want repeat customers (if they fancy you 555) that is commonplace. Just tell her you are a "butterfly" which means you like different experiences. No further explanation necessary. Always remember: you are the customer, and they can not make you feel guilty without your consent.
And should you make your way back to her: the 'reunited' experience could bring enhanced effort on her side as competition is healthy!
SL.
Questions to the veterans that frequent the BJ bars. You guys ever go too often that the girl you had the day before will have hard feelings that you didn't pick her today? After the line up and you pick the new flavor of the day and send the rest packing when yesterday's girl is walking out with the rest. Any ISG brothers ever feel guilty?
I think one is hooked on me because we exchanged Line numbers and she keeps texting me to come see her. I was to return BUT I don't want a relationship jeez! Now I feel obligated to pick her! FML.How would you feel if you went to see her but she was busy blowing some other man? She is a working girl, she will get over your rejection.
Franciscass
03-22-18, 03:38
Questions to the veterans that frequent the BJ bars. You guys ever go too often that the girl you had the day before will have hard feelings that you didn't pick her today? After the line up and you pick the new flavor of the day and send the rest packing when yesterday's girl is walking out with the rest. Any ISG brothers ever feel guilty?
I think one is hooked on me because we exchanged Line numbers and she keeps texting me to come see her. I was to return BUT I don't want a relationship jeez! Now I feel obligated to pick her! FML.Is her disappointment going to be because she likes you and is jealous or is it her losing out financially? If you were around as long as a lot of us on this forum who have been in similar situations you would know it's a little of the former but a lot of the latter. My advice would be, it's your holiday, and your dollar so don't feel guilty about how best to enjoy it.
Questions to the veterans that frequent the BJ bars.
I think one is hooked on me because we exchanged Line numbers and she keeps texting me to come see her. I was to return BUT I don't want a relationship jeez! Now I feel obligated to pick her! FML.Call me cinic but she is hooked to your wallet.
Was not able to hit the scene before 11 PM last night. Few FLs on Sukhumvit road, no more than 50 at most. All hopeless. Only 3/4 ladies were of quality that I could sleep with them, with difficulty LOL. The scene was very disappointing around grace hotel, not even a pale shadow of itself. Around 12 things were dismal in front of nana plaza when it comes to quality. Went to massage shops on soi 24. SW was closed at 12 and so were most others on 24/1 except candy massage. Nothing caught my face there. Found one girl at last massage show in 24/1 but she was not interested in full service. Huh. Massage shops on soi 23 in Sukumvit were half open but again selection was hopeless. 2 girls seemed to be OK but wanted at least 1500-2000 on premises and 2500 in room.
Slept on.
This is far cry from what it used to be even 3/4 years ago. Looks like this trade is breathing its last breaths and will completely dry up in 10 years.
Call me cinic but she is hooked to your wallet.I was in a gogo not too long ago and they played that old song from the 80's by Transvision Vamp "I don't want your money, I want your love". I got a good laugh out of that.
My advice is the same regardless of venue. Of course the ladies want repeat customers (if they fancy you 555) that is commonplace. Just tell her you are a "butterfly" which means you like different experiences. No further explanation necessary. Always remember: you are the customer, and they can not make you feel guilty without your consent.
And should you make your way back to her: the 'reunited' experience could bring enhanced effort on her side as competition is healthy!
SL.Good advice. At Crazy House girls always knew I was a butterfly and sampled quite a number of girls. Clear from the start, and does not deter them at all. Some girls would even suggest other girls to me, they thought I might like.
Despite this some staff, who should know better, would be pestering me to choose a girl or "Will you BF this girl that is sitting with me"? Etc. You just have to ignore these things. If someone brought a girl to me I would ignore them, or just shoo the girl away. Important rule is the customer does the choosing. I don't want attempts to FOB girls off on me because they have no customer. LOL.
I was in a gogo not too long ago and they played that old song from the 80's by Transvision Vamp "I don't want your money, I want your love". I got a good laugh out of that.Was quickly altered by bargirls to "I don't want your honey, honey, I want your money".
I think one is hooked on me because we exchanged Line numbers and she keeps texting me to come see her. I was to return BUT I don't want a relationship jeez! Now I feel obligated to pick her! FML.I would exchange contact info for purpose where I want to keep repeating the same girl, and probably don't want to go to the venue unless she is there.
If you are not that hooked on her, no need to have her number. You can block or hide girls on LINE App if they start pestering too much. Just ignore the messages when they are over the top.
I'm shockd to see no pics / photos of girls in Thailand forum. Are you not allowed to click a pic of them?
Only on seein the pic of them We will also gain some interest and books tickets to thai.
Banana Boi
03-22-18, 13:14
I'm shockd to see no pics / photos of girls in Thailand forum. Are you not allowed to click a pic of them?
Only on seein the pic of them We will also gain some interest and books tickets to thai.Kaintuck has his own photo gallery on this forum. The total opposite of my taste in Thai girls but maybe what you are looking for.
Only on seein the pic of them We will also gain some interest and books tickets to thai.Not sure anyone here is working for TAT but perhaps the intent is to discourage you from coming over.
Kaintuck has his own photo gallery on this forum. The total opposite of my taste in Thai girls .Yes, some of us were glad he got his own photo gallery.
Not sure anyone here is working for TAT but perhaps the intent is to discourage you from coming over.What do you mean by discourage me from coming here?
I'm shockd to see no pics / photos of girls in Thailand forum. Are you not allowed to click a pic of them?
Only on seein the pic of them We will also gain some interest and books tickets to thai.Why don't you complain in the Photo Gallery Thread? Usually have lots of pics of ugly pussy and splooge, but I did not take a look for quite a while. I like skinny so that is why I don't look in Kaintuck's gallery much. He posted a girl worth looking at maybe once, maybe I missed any others. LOL.
Most hookers by the way, don't really like their photos plastered over the internet, for family to see, so that is why not many photos include faces I guess. If I like a girl, I don't take the risk to get in her bad books. So I have pics of pretty girls but do not post them. Many others are the same. If I don't like her, no reason to have her picture at all.
Yeh, no ones cares if you really want to come to Thailand or not.
You are bound to be able to find pics of Thai girls on the internet, one way or another. Most guys will have met Thai girls in home country even before deciding to travel to Thailand. However not in my case. I first came here with my ex wife on holiday and was astonished to see young hot sexy chicks on the arms of fat old men in Phuket. That was approx. 1983. Once I finished with ex, I was back here within a year.
Thai girls can cure you from liking girls in your home country. LOL. However it was much better many years ago. Girls were all natural, in no hurry to leave, much better attitudes, and very poor. You had to pay them to make go away in those days. Now its a lot different.
Member #4698
03-22-18, 16:15
Most hookers by the way, don't really like their photos plastered over the internet, for family to see, so that is why not many photos include faces I guess. Going back 8 or 10 years and earlier, many ISG BM's used to post pics of their girls. There was no problem until some pencil dicks began showing the girls their pics and what was said about them on ISG. I used to post pics myself until I got burned. I now will only recommend places to go to find nice girls, places that I like, and places I don't like on the public platform. And I don't see the point of posting a girl's photo with her face blurred out because the face is her # 1 attribute and attraction IMHO. So nowadays, I won't even post my repeat girl's names let alone post their pics except to my ISG friends in private communication. Besides, all anybody needs is a litle information as to the current best places to go. Once there, making it happen is up to the individual punter & what this recreational sport is all about.
Uncle Volodya
03-22-18, 16:27
I'm shockd to see no pics / photos of girls in Thailand forum. Are you not allowed to click a pic of them?
Only on seein the pic of them We will also gain some interest and books tickets to thai.Why in the fuck would we want that? Enough assholes here as it is. Actually you are making a great case for why we should not post pics. 555.
Yea, I'm pretty pissed. Walked around 2nd floor at Nana Plaza, 3 ladies pull me in pretty aggressively. It's my second time in one of these bars so all I know is what I read on the forum. I thought sure, one drink with one girl. All 3 sit with me (and everything was happnening so fast I wasn't even 100% sure if they were ladyboys. Anyways, all 3 sit down and mamasan asks if I want to buy them all drinks, I told all 4 of them, I'll buy one drink only and the other 2 ladies were begging / pouting to sit with me also. How much could these drinks be right? The beer is 160 baht, I assumed the lady drinks would be the same. Drinks come, mamasan leaves and it's just us 4. After pretty aggressive persuading me to ST one of them and still not confident they weren't ladyboys, I wanted to pay the check and leave. I call the mamasan over for the check and the bill was 875 baht! F*ck it, lesson learned. I pulled out a 1000 bill and one of the girl snatches it away, I turned to the mamasan and gave her a look like there's the money. After about 5 second passes the girl pulls the bill back out and said I only gave a 100 bill. I thought oops, I must have pulled out the wrong bill, so I pulled out another 1000 bill and now they're all pestering me for tips, 100 baht each. I initially told them no, but they faces all got confrontational along with mamasan. Finally got out of there and I checked my wallet and then confirmed the first bill was 1000. Total cost for this Lesson. 2400 baht. It didn't help that the mamasan (a confirmed ladyboy) was saying I HAD to tip her too.
Towards the end though, I did confirm they were ladies (so they say) and the girls said the only ladyboys there were the 2 Mamasans. Avoid DC10!
Yea, I'm pretty pissed. Walked around 2nd floor at Nana Plaza, 3 ladies pull me in pretty aggressively. It's my second time in one of these bars so all I know is what I read on the forum. I thought sure, one drink with one girl. All 3 sit with me (and everything was happnening so fast I wasn't even 100% sure if they were ladyboys. Anyways, all 3 sit down and mamasan asks if I want to buy them all drinks, I told all 4 of them, I'll buy one drink only and the other 2 ladies were begging / pouting to sit with me also. How much could these drinks be right? The beer is 160 baht, I assumed the lady drinks would be the same. Drinks come, mamasan leaves and it's just us 4. After pretty aggressive persuading me to ST one of them and still not confident they weren't ladyboys, I wanted to pay the check and leave. I call the mamasan over for the check and the bill was 875 baht! F*ck it, lesson learned. I pulled out a 1000 bill and one of the girl snatches it away, I turned to the mamasan and gave her a look like there's the money. After about 5 second passes the girl pulls the bill back out and said I only gave a 100 bill. I thought oops, I must have pulled out the wrong bill, so I pulled out another 1000 bill and now they're all pestering me for tips, 100 baht each. I initially told them no, but they faces all got confrontational along with mamasan. Finally got out of there and I checked my wallet and then confirmed the first bill was 1000. Total cost for this Lesson. 2400 baht. It didn't help that the mamasan (a confirmed ladyboy) was saying I HAD to tip her too.
Towards the end though, I did confirm they were ladies (so they say) and the girls said the only ladyboys there were the 2 Mamasans. Avoid DC10!I think DC10 has been 100% ladyboy for a couple of years now. How did you confirm that any of them were ladies instead of ladyboys? Because they said so?
Thanks for the heads up about the 1000 baht to 100 baht scam, though. I have some friends, male and female, who like to check out the "show" at some ladyboy bars every now and then. I will tell them to avoid DC10 like the plague if that is the kind of scam the place is pulling.
Was not able to hit the scene before 11 PM last night. Few FLs on Sukhumvit road, no more than 50 at most. All hopeless. Only 3/4 ladies were of quality that I could sleep with them, with difficulty LOL. The scene was very disappointing around grace hotel, not even a pale shadow of itself. Around 12 things were dismal in front of nana plaza when it comes to quality. Went to massage shops on soi 24. SW was closed at 12 and so were most others on 24/1 except candy massage. Nothing caught my face there. Found one girl at last massage show in 24/1 but she was not interested in full service. Huh. Massage shops on soi 23 in Sukumvit were half open but again selection was hopeless. 2 girls seemed to be OK but wanted at least 1500-2000 on premises and 2500 in room.
Slept on.
This is far cry from what it used to be even 3/4 years ago. Looks like this trade is breathing its last breaths and will completely dry up in 10 years.Is this your first return trip since the "3/4 years ago" you mentioned? Yes, 1500-2000 baht for really good sex with decent looking girls on the premises (at the massage shops on Soi 23?) or 2500 baht for it in your room doesn't sound out of line for how things are today. The key words being "really good sex", of course. And that is where the modern time Thai P4P scene requires mongers to hone their negotiation skills, imo. I wouldn't pay less than half that amount for what passes for "standard" modern time Thai P4P fare, but I have no problem paying that much for a Real GFE/PSE kind of sex with Thai girls. Unfortunately, modern time Thai P4P girls aren't generally handing out that kind of Real sex to guys who aren't negotiating/asking for it. They are too used to doling out the "standard" fare to guys who still pay those cited amounts for such a thing.
I have spent so much more of my time lately enjoying Real GFE/PSE sex with ordinary, non P4P girls, I have not felt as much of the sting of modern time Thai P4P decline as have others. Or maybe the kind of girls who used to stand on the street and work in the massage shops and bars years ago are now so good at posing as ordinary, non P4P girls in order to play the Long Game that I have been engaging in more modern time Thai P4P sex than I knew. LOL. Hard to tell the difference sometimes. But I am not deaf and blind to the decline in the more traditional venues.
I think DC 10 has been 100% ladyboy for a couple of years now. How did you confirm that any of them were ladies instead of ladyboys? Because they said so?I asked one of them and she pulled my hand to touch her crotch. No dick. I'm not sure about the other 2 though. They're absolutely ruthless. I've had Freelancers in my hotel room without worry. Now that I think about it, I believe they were ladyboys because of how aggressive they were. I'the like to believe real ladies would have more of a heart.
I asked one of them and she pulled my hand to touch her crotch. No dick. I'm not sure about the other 2 though. They're absolutely ruthless. I've had Freelancers in my hotel room without worry. Now that I think about it, I believe they were ladyboys because of how aggressive they were. I'the like to believe real ladies would have more of a heart.Yeah, "no dick" means nothing with regard to proving someone is a ladyboy or not. There are many post-op (after getting their dicks surgically removed) ladyboys all over Thailand.
Member #4698
03-22-18, 18:50
I honestly don't know how anybody could walk into a LB Go Go in LOS and not notice where they were or with whom they were interracting. I don't care how many Tequilas have been consumed earlier in the evening. 555. But, I got this list off the internet somewhere about a year ago. There are a couple of bars on it that have gone out of business, changed their names, or changed their orientation, but I think this list is still pretty accurate. Feel free to update the list.
Ladyboy Bars in Nana:
Temptations.
Charades.
Mercury.
Casanova.
DC 10.
Straps.
Underground.
Chili.
Obsession.
Mixed Bars in Nana:
Erotica.
London Calling.
Lolipop / Suckers.
Candy Land.
Ladyboy Free Zones in Nana:
Rainbow 1.
Rainbow 2.
Rainbow 3.
Rainbow 5.
Twister
Spanky's.
Mandarin.
Sexy Night.
Angel Witch.
Billboard.
Bubbles.
Spellbound.
Playskool.
Ladyboy Bars In Soi Cowboy:
Cockatoo.
Mixed Bars in Soi Cowboy:
Midnight.
Ladyboy Free Zone in Soi Cowboy:
Everywhere else.
Ladyboy Bars in Patpong
Kings Corner 2.
Pinnochio's.
Mixed Bars in Patpong:
Kings Corner 1.
Ladyboy Free Zone in Patpong:
Everywhere Else.
Member #4591
03-22-18, 18:57
Was not able to hit the scene before 11 PM last night. Few FLs on Sukhumvit road, no more than 50 at most. All hopeless. Only 3/4 ladies were of quality that I could sleep with them, with difficulty LOL. The scene was very disappointing around grace hotel, not even a pale shadow of itself. Around 12 things were dismal in front of nana plaza when it comes to quality. Went to massage shops on soi 24. SW was closed at 12 and so were most others on 24/1 except candy massage. Nothing caught my face there. Found one girl at last massage show in 24/1 but she was not interested in full service. Huh. Massage shops on soi 23 in Sukumvit were half open but again selection was hopeless. 2 girls seemed to be OK but wanted at least 1500-2000 on premises and 2500 in room.
Slept on.
This is far cry from what it used to be even 3/4 years ago. Looks like this trade is breathing its last breaths and will completely dry up in 10 years.Why would you not go into Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza? Or the beer bars on Soi 4? Massage places close at midnight and it's common sense the pickings will be slim at the end of the night. 1,500 -2,000 is too much for a massage on premises? That's been the going rate for years? I'm sorry but I'm baffled at your post. Thermae, Insanity, Mixx, many choices.
..........Unless they can make a girl to almost "Ex-Machina" (a movie) quality (maybe in 200 years from now), it will be a waste of time. I can't even believe that sex dolls sell, except to buy for someone as a prank. Did anyone actually buy one? I don't even understand sex toys supposedly for men........I read that a sex doll brothel has opened in London and there are clients lining up around the block waiting to blow their load.
Why in the fuck would we want that? Enough assholes here as it is. Actually you are making a great case for why we should not post pics. 555.Hey Mr old uncle. Mind your fucking words. Talk your age and decently in this forum.
Maybe becos you are there in this forum, pics are not posted!
Member #4698
03-22-18, 19:52
Maybe becos you are there in this forum, pics are not posted!No Abc, I explained in one of my previous posts why pics are rarely posted in this forum. A few idiots ruined it. Uncle V is one of the good guys here.
Uncle Volodya
03-22-18, 20:36
Hey Mr old uncle. Mind your fucking words. Talk your age and decently in this forum.
Maybe becos you are there in this forum, pics are not posted!Yes sir Mr. 75 posts.
I have posted enough pics in my time and contributed my share to this forum. If you knew what you were talking about you'd know that. I'd suggest you RTFF before admonishing senior members and turning into Mr. Moderator.
I have no need of pics. I am on the ground hooking up with hot Thai chicks. I know what they look like. What have you been doing in the meantime? What do you need these pics for anyway? To fill your spank bank?
UShobbyist
03-23-18, 01:46
I honestly don't know how anybody could walk into a LB Go Go in LOS and not notice where they were or with whom they were interracting. I don't care how many Tequilas have been consumed earlier in the evening. 555. But, I got this list off the internet somewhere about a year ago. There are a couple of bars on it that have gone out of business, changed their names, or changed their orientation, but I think this list is still pretty accurate. Feel free to update the list.
Ladyboy Free Zones in Nana:
Rainbow 1.
Rainbow 2.
Rainbow 3.
Rainbow 5.
Twister
Spanky's.
Mandarin.
Sexy Night.
Angel Witch.
Billboard.
Bubbles.
Spellbound.
Playskool.
Are you sure that Mandarin is LB free? I saw quite a few LBs sitting outside Mandarin two weeks ago.
Yea, I'm pretty pissed. Walked around 2nd floor at Nana Plaza, 3 ladies pull me in pretty aggressively. It's my second time in one of these bars so all I know is what I read on the forum. I thought sure, one drink with one girl. All 3 sit with me (and everything was happnening so fast I wasn't even 100% sure if they were ladyboys. Anyways, all 3 sit down and mamasan asks if I want to buy them all drinks, I told all 4 of them, I'll buy one drink only and the other 2 ladies were begging / pouting to sit with me also. How much could these drinks be right? The beer is 160 baht, I assumed the lady drinks would be the same. Drinks come, mamasan leaves and it's just us 4. After pretty aggressive persuading me to ST one of them and still not confident they weren't ladyboys, I wanted to pay the check and leave. I call the mamasan over for the check and the bill was 875 baht! F*ck it, lesson learned. I pulled out a 1000 bill and one of the girl snatches it away, I turned to the mamasan and gave her a look like there's the money. After about 5 second passes the girl pulls the bill back out and said I only gave a 100 bill. I thought oops, I must have pulled out the wrong bill, so I pulled out another 1000 bill and now they're all pestering me for tips, 100 baht each. I initially told them no, but they faces all got confrontational along with mamasan. Finally got out of there and I checked my wallet and then confirmed the first bill was 1000. Total cost for this Lesson. 2400 baht. It didn't help that the mamasan (a confirmed ladyboy) was saying I HAD to tip her too.
Towards the end though, I did confirm they were ladies (so they say) and the girls said the only ladyboys there were the 2 Mamasans. Avoid DC10!Look, the entire Nana Plaza area is a rathole. I'd rather hang out at the 7-11 gas station around the corner.
Agreed! Their ruthlessness is as fucked up as their looks! Horrible business especially from mamasan, how do you expect to get repeat customers. (Ladyboy bar or not) if you let your employees play their customers like that?? This really changes my perspective on all of Thailand. I known Thailand to be benevolent and peaceful seeing how they respect their king and religion. Epic fail
Look, the entire Nana Plaza area is a rathole. I'd rather hang out at the 7-11 gas station around the corner.
I honestly don't know how anybody could walk into a LB Go Go in LOS and not notice where they were or with whom they were interracting. I don't care how many Tequilas have been consumed earlier in the evening. 555. But, I got this list off the internet somewhere about a year ago. There are a couple of bars on it that have gone out of business, changed their names, or changed their orientation, but I think this list is still pretty accurate. Feel free to update the list.
Ladyboy Bars in Nana:
Temptations.
Charades.
Mercury.
Casanova.
DC 10.
Straps.
Underground.
Chili.
Obsession.
Mixed Bars in Nana:
Erotica.
London Calling.
Lolipop / Suckers.
Candy Land.
Ladyboy Free Zones in Nana:
Rainbow 1.
Rainbow 2.
Rainbow 3.
Rainbow 5.
Twister
Spanky's.
Mandarin.
Sexy Night.
Angel Witch.
Billboard.
Bubbles.
Spellbound.
Playskool.
Ladyboy Bars In Soi Cowboy:
Cockatoo.
Mixed Bars in Soi Cowboy:
Midnight.
Ladyboy Free Zone in Soi Cowboy:
Everywhere else.
Ladyboy Bars in Patpong
Kings Corner 2.
Pinnochio's.
Mixed Bars in Patpong:
Kings Corner 1.
Ladyboy Free Zone in Patpong:
Everywhere Else.Good list, Natty. Off the top of my head, I would add Enter Go-Go Bar in Nana Plaza as a Mixed Bar and Butterflies Go-Go Bar in Nana Plaza as a Ladyboy Free Bar, but POSSIBLY Mixed as I vaguely recall suspecting just one dancer in Butterflies of being a ladyboy sometime in the past few months.
And by Spellbound, I know you mean Bangkok Bunnies, right?
Are you sure that Mandarin is LB free? I saw quite a few LBs sitting outside Mandarin two weeks ago.They were probably Mercury Bar ladyboys. Mercury is a Ladyboy Bar right next to the Nana second floor Mandarin and seems to be mistaken for one of the Mandarin bars quite often. Not necessarily by people here, but by visitors I know who go up that escalator and look to the right at the top, see all the ladyboys standing around and automatically assume they are from Mandarin, which is the first sign they see on the way up. The doorways for the second floor Mandarin and Merbury bars are right next to each other.
Agreed! Their ruthlessness is as fucked up as their looks! Horrible business especially from mamasan, how do you expect to get repeat customers. (Ladyboy bar or not) if you let your employees play their customers like that?? This really changes my perspective on all of Thailand. I known Thailand to be benevolent and peaceful seeing how they respect their king and religion. Epic failWhat you described is about as rough a scam going on in a Thai go-go bar as anything I have heard since the upstairs Patpong bar shakedowns of old (still going on? I hadn't heard). I'm talking about the 1,000 baht note to 100 baht note switcheroo. And as I read it that was apparently pulled by one of the ladyboys, so it might not even have been fully witnessed by anyone else. So how could they back up either side? Of course, if this is a routine scam pulled by the same ladyboy over and over, then everyone in the bar would know what he did.
Now that you are on guard about any and all scams being pulled, I doubt you are ever going to fall for that kind of thing again, especially since you and I would guess anyone else reading your report will avoid DC10 unless they are armed with steely stubborn resolve not to buy more than one LD for one ladyboy at most and have nothing but small baht notes and coins in his pocket to settle the bill on the nose without need of change.
The biggest bar bill or outside the hotel room scam I am aware of going on in a few places is the "Tequila and coke" non-existent cocktail drink request from girls that is in fact a two LDs order all at once.
Agreed! Their ruthlessness is as fucked up as their looks! Horrible business especially from mamasan, how do you expect to get repeat customers. (Ladyboy bar or not) if you let your employees play their customers like that?? This really changes my perspective on all of Thailand. I known Thailand to be benevolent and peaceful seeing how they respect their king and religion. Epic failPlease don't be so quick on your conclusion. You're visiting one of the most low-life place of Thailand and want to compare their behaviour to the rest of Thailand? From my experience I would say that most of them are very nice even though they've got a lot of problems in their own life, but you've got to go in places that are not polluted by their low-lifes to experience it.
Once I had the same kind of misadventure as yours but it was in Patong in one of the bars upstairs and it didn't involve ladyboys but some ugly girls instead. It was one of their ping pong show, the show looked like shit and after 5 minutes I was at the desk and wanted to pay my beer and was presented a 1200 baht bill. I wanted to smash their heads, the mamasan, the cashier, their girls. But finally I paid and it served me a good lesson and I was really unhappy with myself for being caught in such a scam. Back then I wouldn't give any tip anywhere I go. But after that experience I realised that I was never supporting the good persons trying to make an honest life but instead I finished by giving a huge amount to some of their most shitty people. From that day I always tip the waiters in restaurant where I'm a regular, the girls in traditional massage places, some of the taxi guys that are friendly and since then my whole experience in Thailand is better.
They were probably Mercury Bar ladyboys. Mercury is a Ladyboy Bar right next to the Nana second floor Mandarin and seems to be mistaken for one of the Mandarin bars quite often. Not necessarily by people here, but by visitors I know who go up that escalator and look to the right at the top, see all the ladyboys standing around and automatically assume they are from Mandarin, which is the first sign they see on the way up. The doorways for the second floor Mandarin and Merbury bars are right next to each other.I cannot say for now but I went their once maybe two years ago and I could clearly spot a few obvious ladyboys. The most disturbing was that they even had guys dressed as girls dancing on the stage. I mean they didn't even put the effort to look like a girl, they did just put girls clothes on. The place wasn't giving a good vibe also as the mamasan was constantly sending me some ugly girls to ask lady drinks.
Yea, I'm pretty pissed. Walked around 2nd floor at Nana Plaza, 3 ladies pull me in pretty aggressively. It's my second time in one of these bars so all I know is what I read on the forum. I thought sure, one drink with one girl.
Avoid DC10!Dino T Rex.
You really seem to need an experienced wingman to look after you. No I am not volunteering, but perhaps you can find a buddy or too. DC10 is a known and fairly obvious LB bar and should not be going in there alone, really. The whole 2nd floor is quite notorious as filled with several LB bars.
Mercury bar was changed to a LB bar, but I don't believe it was as long as a year ago I was last in there (before change to LB bar). Still it is possible I lost track of time a little. Before that they tried Coyote girls to attract some customers. The gogo girls were mostly well overweight which tended to attract mainly Indian customers, although just a very few gogo girls were slim enough to pass muster. I was a regular customer of one girl with a fab ass, ex Dollhouse, ex Hotlips, ex Candyland 2. Also one of the Coyotes there for a while was exceptionally pretty.
Become a pessimist Dino. It might help. LOL Remember Murphy's Law (also known as Sod's Law in the UK I think).
My attitude is that: the more someone tries to push into doing something in Thailand, the less I am wanting to do it. The people that come at you most aggressively are the ones to avoid, even if they seem to be offering help of any sort. Interact with very sweet polite non-pushy girls only. Shy girls can be a big plus at times, too.
Are you sure that Mandarin is LB free? I saw quite a few LBs sitting outside Mandarin two weeks ago.I haven't been there as recently as two weeks ago, but I've never seen a ladyboy in Mandarin.
The biggest bar bill or outside the hotel room scam I am aware of going on in a few places is the "Tequila and coke" non-existent cocktail drink request from girls that is in fact a two LDs order all at once.Sadly more than a few places now, seems to be becoming pretty routine. I even got hit with it at Afterskool on a trip a while back. I drink there a bit but it's the first time they had done this.
Sadly more than a few places now, seems to be becoming pretty routine. I even got hit with it at Afterskool on a trip a while back. I drink there a bit but it's the first time they had done this.And the most annoying part is, that the mixer is usually free (in this case the coke). I spent my week in Bangkok and Pattaya drinking Jameson & soda, I never paid for the soda, except when ordered as a bottle. On the check it was always written soda mixer free.
I would like to indulge in some BBFS as I can feel almost nothing with a condom. What section of girls are more likely to accept this? GoGo girls, Bar girls or freelancers? Is it rare for this to be accepted or quite common if you ask? Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.
Member #4591
03-23-18, 19:05
I would like to indulge in some BBFS as I can feel almost nothing with a condom. What section of girls are more likely to accept this? GoGo girls, Bar girls or freelancers? Is it rare for this to be accepted or quite common if you ask? Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.Please search the Thailand forum for this acronym term and you will find loads of reports about this topic, mostly indirect but if you read them, you will get your answer.
I would like to indulge in some BBFS as I can feel almost nothing with a condom. What section of girls are more likely to accept this? GoGo girls, Bar girls or freelancers? Is it rare for this to be accepted or quite common if you ask? Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.Try lambskin condoms.
I would like to indulge in some BBFS as I can feel almost nothing with a condom. What section of girls are more likely to accept this? GoGo girls, Bar girls or freelancers? Is it rare for this to be accepted or quite common if you ask? Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.Which ones? Maybe those ready for a 500 baht ST if you offer them 1500.
Agreed! Their ruthlessness is as fucked up as their looks! Horrible business especially from mamasan, how do you expect to get repeat customers. (Ladyboy bar or not) if you let your employees play their customers like that?? This really changes my perspective on all of Thailand. I known Thailand to be benevolent and peaceful seeing how they respect their king and religion. Epic failTake the mix of RLD new visitors every day in nana (a few thousands generic tourists land everyday in bkk so a 10% of them visiting (not necessarily partaking the action at full speed) and then check how many are the regular, repeat, experienced ones.
Maybe 5-10% of them (being generous).
That 5-10% will not be trapped.
The remaining 90/95% is the target for those girls.
They might not trap you tomorrow or the day after if you become a regular but they have good chances to score with their behaviour.
It is just a matter of numbers.
Every WG seems to be from Isan. In soapies, on street. I understand that economic opportunities and culture decide who ends up in market or not, but come on. These used to some variety in the past, one would often find girls from chiang rai in Nataree or girls from Bangkok on MPs but this time all I got is isan isan and isan.
I am not too keen to join elite clubs but there has to be some variety. Perhaps I need to venture away from soi 24/1 area.
Has anyone got any suggestions on how to add variety to daily grind (pun intended).
I would like to indulge in some BBFS as I can feel almost nothing with a condom. What section of girls are more likely to accept this? GoGo girls, Bar girls or freelancers? Is it rare for this to be accepted or quite common if you ask? Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.Get yourself hiv / std tested while in BKK and have the test results to show. This will (logically) improve your batting average. The higher volume of penis that the girl encounters, the less likely she is to accept anything sans rubber. (also logical)
Friday night was the first night this week when I saw at least 4/5 girls on Sukhumvit Rd and Nana area that were easy on the eyes. The grace hotel scene seems to be dead but Nana area has higher concentration of freelancers. Saw some stani girls also and lots of black women, some very aggressive.
There were two nice looking girls that caught my attention so decided to check one of them for 1000ST. I had a hunch that she was a bit reserved but I think the little guy insisted so I decided to take her just for the eye candy part. Usuall Isan girl, slim, small tits. Very little fat. She was kinda not interested in taxi so I knew that this is not going to be earth shattering bang but it turned out to be worse than that. Back in room she took a shower in 30 seconds, alone of course and was ready. I took shower, tried to make small talk but things were not going anywhere. She didn't have attitude but neither has the enthu either. Reached for a condom after 5 minutes of mediocre BBBJ. Decided to finish the deed faster to salvage the situation so entered here and pounded away for 15-20 minutes. I find it difficult to pound unless I see that girl is enjoying and at least communicating honestly.
Wasn't happening here so decided to call it quits after barely 30 minutes with her in room and gave her the money. Didn't even cum. To her credit she did apologize and said she can't speak much English but come on. More than language, it is enthusiasm and effort that matters. I doubt it was poor chemistry but whatever. Worth the 1000 bahts but dead fish experience.
Get yourself hiv / std tested while in BKK and have the test results to show. This will (logically) improve your batting average. The higher volume of penis that the girl encounters, the less likely she is to accept anything sans rubber. (also logical)To be safe better get the girl and you tested.
Franciscass
03-24-18, 05:04
Agreed! Their ruthlessness is as fucked up as their looks! Horrible business especially from mamasan, how do you expect to get repeat customers. (Ladyboy bar or not) if you let your employees play their customers like that?? This really changes my perspective on all of Thailand. I known Thailand to be benevolent and peaceful seeing how they respect their king and religion. Epic failNot sure Dino if you're still here or how long you're planning to stay but don't let what's happened so far put you off. Thailand is magic and your nativity which on a certain level is actually refreshing will sooner rather than later result in some good memories. Mostly they are not out to scam you but without being paranoid you do need to know it happens especially if you give off the vibe of being an innocent newbie. Get back in the saddle. Best of luck.
I've been to Crazy Horse two times before. Both times I told myself I would never visit again. Unfortunately it's one of the few places left where girls are naked. So I went again when friends were visiting. And again it was a disaster.
1st visit, few years back (the place had just newly opened): Took a girl back home. She was a complete deadfish and basically refused the perform even the basics. At some point, she just left. Laughed at me when I told her I would go back to the bar and complain. She knew no one would care. I went back, explained the situation to the mamasan (one of those nasty, old, fat, poorly dressed Isan dragons that you normally see with a poor farang bloke), just to find myself being laughed at.
2nd visit, a year ago: Was sitting with a girl I wanted to talk to. Another girl comes to push me to buying my girl a drink. Told her to please let me have a conversation with my girl, and she gets angry.
3rd visit, few days ago: Asked to sit with two girls from the stage. After they're done dancing they join us. Waitress pushes us to buy them ladydrinks, pointing at the 320 Baht double lady drink. It politely tell her in Thai that we would like to have a brief chat with them first. Why would I invest in ladydrinks before knowing whether they are actually worth pursuing, or even go with a customer at all (and not just are stupid coyotes). Waitress pulls them away from us immediately. You no buy drink, you no lady. " One of the girls couldn't care less. Mai pen rai Mae" she says on Thai, indicating that she didn't want to sit with us anyways. She was a pretty one, perfect body, tall, light skin, very sexy. She knows she can better milk a Japanese guy.
My friends and I decide to finish our beers and then leave. While we are sitting there drinking and chatting, a girls hits my legs pretty hard. She's one of the older, ugly girls on stage. Again, one of those nasty Isan dragons you normally see barking at her poor farang husband. I was sitting with my legs crossed, one foot pointing at the stage. She is furious; insists I have to sit without my legs crossed. Don't get me wrong, I know Thai culture, I have lived here many years, I speak, read, and write the language. I know pointing at someone or something using your feet is an insult. But that refers to intentionally pointing. Sitting with your legs crossed isn't a problem, and isn't perceived as an insult by Thais. I actually double-checked with some of my Thai friends later. That girls was just looking for a fight.
When the bill came, they pulled the usual coin-scam. My friend, who's never been here, just took the whole change. The waitress wouldn't leave until she got a 20 Baht note as tip.
I can only suggest to avoid that place.
HvyHitter81
03-24-18, 11:46
Well my time in BKK was a blast had a good time with some ladies, this one girl I found on cracker. Her name was Diane forget where she was from but she was just visiting and working. I think I might of paid 3500-4000 baht. But got the fun started and as she started playing with herself I noticed a little bit of blood, almost killed the mood right there but she was like just fuck me in my ass, so finished with that. All in all she was built pretty good.
This report is kinda late so not sure if she still hanging around BKK, couple weeks late, sorry gents for this. Tried looking for her again and no luck on cracker.
Member #4591
03-24-18, 15:00
Every WG seems to be from Isan. In soapies, on street. I understand that economic opportunities and culture decide who ends up in market or not, but come on. These used to some variety in the past, one would often find girls from chiang rai in Nataree or girls from Bangkok on MPs but this time all I got is isan isan and isan.
I am not too keen to join elite clubs but there has to be some variety. Perhaps I need to venture away from soi 24/1 area.
Has anyone got any suggestions on how to add variety to daily grind (pun intended).There are plenty of non Esaan girls working in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, and the places on Ratchada and Rama 9 area. What's stopping you from visiting these areas. I visit them often and meet girls from Chiangmai, Chiangrai, Nakhon si Thamarat, so many different places. Is it the money that keeps you from these places? If so, I cannot help with that mate.
Hi Guys,
Can anyone share some advice on where to find CIS / Arab girls in BKK? Living in Sydney, I'm tired of Thai, Chinese girls.
Cheers,
BR.If you're looking for decent quality CIS stuff, head to Shock 39 disco. It is a speciality joint when it comes to CIS (read Uzbek) talent. Also, you can find some Ukrainians there. I've mentioned this place in my previous posts and have also written a detailed FR. Expect the rates to be anywhere between 5-7k THB LT. Of course, YMMV, depending upon your negotiation skills, timing etc. The scene from Rajah Hotel has now shifted to Royal Garden Hotel, a couple of hundred metres ahead of the Grace Hotel, away from Nana Plaza. You can find some ok CIS and a few Russians here also. When I went, there were around 15-20 WGs there, but, the quality was not that great. Worth a visit, though, as you never know what you might find. Cheers and have a nice trip!
I've been to Crazy Horse two times before. Both times I told myself I would never visit again. Unfortunately it's one of the few places left where girls are naked. So I went again when friends were visiting. And again it was a disaster.
I can only suggest to avoid that place.Can only agree with you on this bar. Been there maybe 10 times over the past 2 years but never understood the hype. If you want naked girls go to Longgun. A much better bar with a fun vibe, good service and stage shows non-stop. Quality of girls is average in Longgun (besides a few real stunners.) but so is the status at Crazy House also these days. The worst thing about Crazy House is the Music. Horrible "car alarm" music not fit for people over 40. Overall best bar in Cowboy these days is Shark in my opinion.
UShobbyist
03-24-18, 22:36
Every WG seems to be from Isan.
Has anyone got any suggestions on how to add variety to daily grind (pun intended).You should go to Pattaya to try your luck. In those soapy massage parlors of Pattaya, most of the girls do NOT look like Isan.
Before I say anything else: all the bars in Nana plaza, soi cowboy, Patpong (and even Patong, Phuket) are a waste of time. We should stop considering them mongering destinations, but rather tourist traps targeting those only looking to monger once in their lives. The base rate for one-shot sex, barfine, room fee, mandatory drinks, and lady drinks add up to us prices. The talent level can be had for a fraction across the street, sometimes comically so (as in Nana, literally 15 feet away). There may be exceptions, and I realize my experience is limited, but there's a reason I didn't get a girl in ANY of them during a full week of opportunity.
Apologies for the rant, now on to the actual (favorable!) report.
This is for the week starting March 1, so please forgive the delay. I'll post a follow-up report on the Phuket thread, and also in the Japan forum for Tokyo (Yoshiwara) and Osaka (Tobita Sinchi), also all first-time reports.
March 1 turned out to be a Buddhist holiday and all the bars were shut down. I stayed at a hotel near Nana and found a lovely FL nearby called Jam (Thai names, haha) She was a fresh-faced college-girlfriend-type with C +/ D cups so firm I thought they were fake until I finally felt them up. One of the best pairs I've ever encountered. Besides having a bit of a belly, which she felt more self-conscious about than any WG I've ever met, she was a stunning delight. Pretty face, tight body everywhere else, smooth skin. I brought her to my room and we started in the shower together. She sang like an angel (an aspiring popstar) both in the room and on youtube, and hung around for almost two hours of great GFE action. It started with a tit-fuck to a COT, then continued quickly to covered action in all positions. She didn't zone out at any point, was refreshingly unjaded, and only cost 15 K bhat. I happily gave her 20 k, which she responded to with a bow and a Khap Khub Kaa, and we parted ways both satisfied. I looked for her again for the next two nights, but she was gone. A rare find.
After wasting two nights trolling the bars of Nana and Cowboy and Khaosan Road to walk away empty handed (I literally couldn't find talent to justify the cost), I looked into massage parlors. Phrom Phong was great in that regard, with lots of lineups to check out in front of each establishment. The prevailing talent level was low here as well, but eventually I found another diamond in the rough at little-discussed 'Sweet Mango' (not the more popular Mango Massage) right near Cherry's Massage. The girl's name was Amy, a girl mom from the countryside and another sweetheart. I paid 34 K baht upfront for 90 minutes that didn't disappoint. It was technically a soapy massage so we began with a shower again, and she did provide a decent massage between our two bouts of action. Both unfolded similarly to my previous encounter, as it was as easy to develop GFE-rapport here as well. In fact, I believe that's one of the best strengths of the Thai mongering scene. Girls with little hangups about sex that are sweet and eager to please. But we all know that.
It's a shame that the overall talent level is so unremarkable, since the opportunity is everywhere and the city is set up like a mongering paradise. Even Thermae didn't disappoint, stocked with (relatively young) girls from wall to wall, with far better lighting than expected. No stunners unfortunately, at least during my brief sortie (didn't get anything).
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UShobbyist
03-24-18, 22:47
Friday night was the first night this week when I saw at least 4/5 girls on Sukhumvit Rd and Nana area that were easy on the eyes. The grace hotel scene seems to be dead but Nana area has higher concentration of freelancers. Saw some stani girls also and lots of black women, some very aggressive.
There were two nice looking girls that caught my attention so decided to check one of them for 1000ST. I had a hunch that she was a bit reserved but I think the little guy insisted so I decided to take her just for the eye candy part. Usuall Isan girl, slim, small tits. Very little fat. She was kinda not interested in taxi so I knew that this is not going to be earth shattering bang but it turned out to be worse than that. Back in room she took a shower in 30 seconds, alone of course and was ready. I took shower, tried to make small talk but things were not going anywhere. She didn't have attitude but neither has the enthu either. Reached for a condom after 5 minutes of mediocre BBBJ. Decided to finish the deed faster to salvage the situation so entered here and pounded away for 15-20 minutes. I find it difficult to pound unless I see that girl is enjoying and at least communicating honestly.
Wasn't happening here so decided to call it quits after barely 30 minutes with her in room and gave her the money. Didn't even cum. To her credit she did apologize and said she can't speak much English but come on. More than language, it is enthusiasm and effort that matters. I doubt it was poor chemistry but whatever. Worth the 1000 bahts but dead fish experience.You can get a cute dead fish or an ugly live fish for 1000 THB these days. You will NOT get a cute live fish for only 1000 THB!
You can get a cute dead fish or an ugly live fish for 1000 THB these days. You will NOT get a cute live fish for only 1000 THB!I am not sure about the amount being important here. I picked up three FLs from Sukhumvit / Nana area and not one of them hesitated a second when I offered a thousand. Perhaps more sugar would have made deal more sweeter.
There are plenty of non Esaan girls working in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, and the places on Ratchada and Rama 9 area. What's stopping you from visiting these areas. I visit them often and meet girls from Chiangmai, Chiangrai, Nakhon si Thamarat, so many different places. Is it the money that keeps you from these places? If so, I cannot help with that mate.It is possible that some bar girls are from Northern Thailand. I am not big into bars so may be this is something I need to add to menu.
I really miss Nataree. The selection was not the best but huge quantity meant one would find a beauty or two and most of them were from Northern Isan. Now it is isan isan everywhere. I think all 13-14 girls I had in 4 days from Isan. Damn.
Does anyone know if Thai Friendly has selection from Bangkok or Chang Mai areas?
Saturday night was very busy at Baccara and noticed that they too have started members only BS. Not sure it is only on weekends or not. Can someone please confirm and also let me know if this is same in Baccara at Pattaya?
They were also guiding everyone to buy drinks before going in.
Had couple of days in Bangkok and managed to sample few massage shops, soi cow boy bars, WG on Sukhumvit Road. The freelancers qty is down. Ig time specially near grace hotel. Most nights I could not find anyone to my taste. Friday night had few in nana area, Saturday was heavier in qty but bery low on looks. May be about 100-150 girls around 9. 30 Beer Garden is totally hopeless now. Less than 10 girls duringvthe noon and afternoon, all of them fuglies. Didn't even feel like talking to anyone of them.
Massage shops seemed to be doing better business this year but quality was still very poor as. Ompated to few years ago. No chance of finding a cutie one can spend lot of time with. Massage shops on suk 23 had 1-2 girls that I ckukd do but wanted 2000 bahts. Freelancers were not into it, a sharp contrast from the past.
I think for future trips I will have to raise the budget, get hotel calls from massage shops and reduce number of shots. I try to score 3/4 shots everyday which is now looking like waste of money and energy so will restrict myself to 2 per day. Will also plan outdoor sightseeing after two days of mongering to recharge batteries. Will also patronize some high end massage shops for eye candy and build a list of contacts from Thai friendly and similar online options.
Best of mongering days are certainly gone for 4/5 years now but fun can be have had provided one plans in advance and spends time in creating contacts.
It is possible that some bar girls are from Northern Thailand. I am not big into bars so may be this is something I need to add to menu.
I really miss Nataree. The selection was not the best but huge quantity meant one would find a beauty or two and most of them were from Northern Isan. Now it is isan isan everywhere. I think all 13-14 girls I had in 4 days from Isan. Damn.
Does anyone know if Thai Friendly has selection from Bangkok or Chang Mai areas?You are starting to get a bit "racist". LOL Don't judge a girl by whether she is Issan, Laos or supposedly Chaing Mai or Chiang Rai. Some of the Chiang Rai girls are not really from there anyway. Could have snuck across the border from Laos or Myanmar.
Judge a girl by her individual looks and her attitude. Who cares where she comes from? I have had the odd really great girl from Myanmar or Cambodia too, whose Thai was not quite perfect LOL. Do I care where she comes from if she has a pretty face? No way.
If you selected 14 Issan girls, you must like them. Issan has some ugly girls and also has some pretty ones. They don't all have broad noses. Their skin colour varies a lot. Tonight I have a date (for a fuck) with a very light skinned tallish Issan girl. The fact she Issan is irrelevant. Her body is slim and very sexy (not big tits but no sag anywhere). Good face. Great nose. She could almost be a model.
Banana Boi
03-25-18, 12:20
have started members only BS. Not sure it is only on weekends or not. Can someone please confirm and also let me know if this is same in Baccara at Pattaya?
Definitely no membership required in Pattaya's Baccara.
Yes, if you are not Japanese you are forced to buy a drink BEFORE you enter Baccara in Bangkok. Anyone can walk into Baccara Pattaya.
Saturday night was very busy at Baccara and noticed that they too have started members only BS. Not sure it is only on weekends or not. Can someone please confirm and also let me know if this is same in Baccara at Pattaya?
They were also guiding everyone to buy drinks before going in.Could be that Saturday is a bad night, to be visiting Baccara. I visited Crazy briefly, Shark, and Tilac. All were quite busy with doable (for me) slim girls. Some bars were pretty full.
I had not seen such a good line up at Tilac in previous visits. Mamasan Taay (ex Suzi W) tells me that Friday and Saturday are far better.
Even Shark had a better line up than usual.
In all places, some of the girls were making an effort to dance to the music, and was evident it made a difference to them whether they thought the music was good for them to dance to. Not every girl was simply a shuffler. Some examples of songs that seemed to be liked for dancing where I happened to know the name of the song: "Moves like Jagger" (Maroon 5), Suavemente, Despacito, Cheap Thrills (Sia and Sean Paul), etc. Just a comment for those people advocating really ancient music (50's and 60's) to be played in gogo bars. It ain't going to happen when the DJ is a youngish Thai guy. He is going to pick what he thinks is best and sometimes what the girl likes. Never seen a female DJ yet, in Thailand (but have in Sweden).
Crazy is one of the few Cowboy bars not to have any Coyotes. This is good since 80% of the girls dancing early were completely nude. I enjoyed watching number 40 who was slim and shapely. Might have been tempted except for the nose had slightly over flared nostrils. LOL Another girl had great body but similarly face did not quite make the stunning grade. Being there before 8 PM is a bit too early. Best girls usually arrive between 9 PM and 9. 30. Mon is quite pretty and she was there.
Both Shark and Tilac had Coyotes. Shark was about 60% Coyotes, and Tilac maybe 50%. I suppose it gets worse as the evening goes by since Coyotes unlikely to be barfined at 2000. I presume that most of them have BFs and officially do not go with customers for fucking (with perhaps some exceptions). Otherwise I generally can't understand why girls want to be Coyotes. They would make more money by being a normal Gogo girl especially if happen to have good looks. By being a Coyote they get to put their tits under multi-layers well hidden, and perhaps just sell drinks. As for dancing, well most of them are fake Coyotes because their dancing is no superior to the gogo girls. Yet I have fucked a Coyote girl on odd occasion, so I still can't quite figure it out. Want to cover the body more and be prim and proper? LOL
Tilac is a puzzle. There are no topless girls. All tits well hidden in this place. Girls could well have horrid tits. Yet the gogo girls have no knickers on under the skirt. The odd girl drunk, lifted the skirt to flash the pussy, but disappointingly too much fuzz there. I prefer shaven. Hence Crazy House is definitely the better place to see both tits and pussy. Sharks has gogo girls with see through tops. That is pretty much good enough for me. They had a few hot gogo girls (on Saturday at least).
A few weeks back I reported all of the Arab's bars were closed. Unfortunately was for one night only, it seems.
Late night Cart bars are gradually coming back perhaps? Last night there were 3 in Soi 23, at least 2 in Soi 21 and 1 in Sukhumvit in between. Did not really check out the talent, although recognised one very skinny girl (I forget name and where met before). I did not check the cart bars in lower Sukhumvit.
Took my regular girl for ST in Asoke Place ST Hotel. It seemed less busy than usual. Perhaps it is best to arrive there early evening on a busy night and I did.
CallSign Papa
03-25-18, 12:47
To be safe better get the girl and you tested.How long does this generally take to do Sammon, including the results? And what's the cost?
Can only agree with you on this bar. Been there maybe 10 times over the past 2 years but never understood the hype. If you want naked girls go to Longgun. A much better bar with a fun vibe, good service and stage shows non-stop. Quality of girls is average in Longgun (besides a few real stunners.) but so is the status at Crazy House also these days. The worst thing about Crazy House is the Music. Horrible "car alarm" music not fit for people over 40. Overall best bar in Cowboy these days is Shark in my opinion.I can agree the CH music is bad. The quality of girls in Long Gun did not impress me last visits, and the stage shows were not exactly a plus for me at either venue. There was higher pressure on me by staff to buy drinks for girls or mamasans who know me from years ago, before I even decide if I liked any girls at all.
So I don't see what that Long Gun is any better. Crazy House certainly has a much bigger range of girls if you happen to be there at the right times between 9 pm and 9. 30 PM is ideal). The line ups vary in each bar.
Is Crazy House over hyped? I think it is simply the better place to see naked girls. If you like Long Gun, great. For me Long Gun is so far behind what it was say 20 years ago. The main point is I have not BFed a Long Gun girl for several years now, where as I did find several girls okay For me in Crazy over 4 years plus. I rarely visit Crazy now as it is well behind it's peak, but not as severely degraded as Long Gun. To be fair I should look LG again as did not go inside this year.
I don't care about the service and the music is not top priority. Only the girls really matter. I probably repeated 50% of girls tried out in CH, so that is not a bad rate for me.
I am attending Shark more than CH these days, but it is simply a question of the right girl. The place doesn't matter much, although I will concede the Shark music is better. 5 to 10 years ago Shark music was horrible and girls could not dance to it, so they must have got a new DJ.
Long Gun had fabulous shows by very professional dancers, probably in late 90's early 2000's, but once the top dancer pair left, the shows became very ho-hum. Does anyone remember skinny Ning (the best dancer I ever saw at Long Gun) from maybe 15 years back? She hardly ever went with a customer, but drank tequilas like a fish. I never liked the Pat Pong style shows at all.
You are starting to get a bit "racist". LOL Don't judge a girl by whether she is Issan, Laos or supposedly Chaing Mai or Chiang Rai.Is that any worse than judging a girl based on whether she has a wide nose or not?
If you like Long Gun, great. For me Long Gun is so far behind what it was say 20 years ago.
Long Gun had fabulous shows by very professional dancers, probably in late 90's early 2000's, but once the top dancer pair left, the shows became very ho-hum. Does anyone remember skinny Ning (the best dancer I ever saw at Long Gun) from maybe 15 years back? She hardly ever went with a customer, but drank tequilas like a fish. She knocked me to the floor once. I was sitting on a bar stool next to the stage and she wrapped her legs around my neck and rocked strongly back and forth with her arms on the pole behind her. She rocked too far and we both fell to the floor. She was too skinny for my normal taste, but of course, I had to bar fine her after that incident. It was a turn on. LOL.
Sure, Long Gun is nowhere close to what it used to be. (Joy from around 2000 was my favorite there. What a little stunner.) But there are 1 or 2 there that are well worth taking. The girls from Long Gun have always been good in bed. WAY better than girls like the Baccara girls.
Of the current crop, I recommend Tukta at Rawhide if she's still there. She has a mediocre face but a stunning body. She's a bit older and has fake breasts, but you won't find a better performer in bed anywhere in this world. That chick can suck, fuck, and rim with the best of them.
The high end soapies used to have great looking women. Before Lord opened, Poseidon had a great rep. I forget which floor at Poseidon had the better girls but it was a higher floor. I believe they had fishbowls on the second and 3rd floor as well. Only went there once and loved it, never been to Lord. Will visit Lord on my next trip even if just for the eye candy. I also had great times at the Plaza Entertainment complex. Not the taxi ripoff Cupidy in the basement but there were two soapies in the attached building. One on the 2nd floor which had beautiful girls and another one on the 6th floor which I believe was called Delila. Both of these were great. There is a gentleman's club which also has beauties called Penthouse or something similar. Never been there but I am guessing it is still open.
I don't hear anything about Poseidon any more. Is Poseidon still open?Late reponse.
Poseidon used to have the standard girls on floor 2 and "models" on floor 3. It has changed now. Girls have moved down stairs and they have lots of surgeries girls. I never got shown any higher floor. I found the models on 3rd to be over rated for prettiness. Yes they appeared to have good bodies and were young, but the faces were rather average. For some customers, young = pretty, but that does not work for me. I would much rather get a very pretty girls and compromise a little on the figure maybe. However I am hard to please. I always put "Poseidon" into the category of over-rated, mainly because I found better girls for me elsewhere.
I used to visit Plaza Massage a few times repeating more than one girl and did check out Delila on the 6th. It was later renamed to Aqua. I never actually picked a girl from the 6th. Never found any gave me the right impression and pretty enough to justify the extra cost. Probably they wanted mostly Asian customers.
I probably usually choose to take twice as many sessions with a good priced girl rather than pay a lot for a girl who just might not justify it. I used to have a very pretty girl at Amsterdam for a while yet she was in a mid category, not the most expensive perhaps because did not have huge tits and her waist to thigh ratio was more extreme than normal.
JJ.
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First time report from Bangkok. Other first-timers please read.
Before I say anything else: all the bars in Nana plaza, soi cowboy, Patpong (and even Patong, Phuket) are a waste of time. We should stop considering them mongering destinations, but rather tourist traps targeting those only looking to monger once in their lives. The base rate for one-shot sex, barfine, room fee, mandatory drinks, and lady drinks add up to us prices. The talent level can be had for a fraction across the street, sometimes comically so (as in Nana, literally 15 feet away). There may be exceptions, and I realize my experience is limited, but there's a reason I didn't get a girl in ANY of them during a full week of opportunity.
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Sorry can't quote properly, anyhow I perfectly agree with you.
Either you are an experienced monger and you know how to move, ie know where to find your girl and minimize the collateral damages or you use the social APP's nearly every girl uses, even gogo girls do (but a BF has to be taken into account unless you book her as a follow up to another BF, and be a sloppy second).
Otherwise those locations are what you described.
One might wonder that such a MO will not grant much return business once the customer realises he has been trapped, cheated or softly scammed.
Given the high rate of daily arrivals at suvarnabhumi airport, in terms of thousands males, a good percentage will hit NEP as a known RLD district and be happy to spend 5/10/15000 baths in a night. As "still cheaper than home and for a young exotic girl I would not get at home".
There are enough to guarantee a steady business. And you don't need hundreds of these high paying guys to run the house.
Just as Amsterdam residents do not hit the streets of the well known RLD to get their share of paid sex. They surely know where to go to get the proper business.
Jimmy Boy 99
03-25-18, 17:12
Snip. She didn't zone out at any point, was refreshingly unjaded, and only cost 15 K bhat. I happily gave her 20 k, which she responded to with a bow and a Khap Khub Kaa, and we parted ways both satisfied. I looked for her again for the next two nights, but she was gone. A rare find. Snip.
I found another diamond in the rough at little-discussed 'Sweet Mango' (not the more popular Mango Massage) right near Cherry's Massage. The girl's name was Amy, a girl mom from the countryside and another sweetheart. I paid 34 K baht upfront for 90 minutes that didn't disappoint. SnipYou paid 20000 bhat for two hours with a freelancer? You paid 34000 bhat at an oily for 90 minutes? You can't be serious. How is the latter even possible? Are these figures typos or do you have your own numbering system?
and only cost 15 K bhat. I happily gave her 20 k
I paid 34 K baht upfront for 90 minutes that didn't disappoint.I'm sorry but I have to ask, the way you indicated prices must be a mistake. You do not mean 15,000 - 20,000 and 34,000 Baht? Right? Did you mean to put decimals in there? I am hoping the correct amount is 1.5 k, 2.0 k, and 3.4 k. Otherwise.
ChicoBarca
03-25-18, 18:42
Had my second visit to BKK in a month, the first time I went I used the SoMe sites like Tinder, Badoo etc. And I have to say it worked out perfect. This time I went to have a look at Nana, Soi Cowboy and Patpong. And what I report is just my honest opinion and what my perceptions are (each one for their own).
Entered into Nana, first thing. Smelled like garbage everywhere, it was dirty and to be honest very few I would even consider worth taking for any price at all. To their benefit, they were not as greedy and pushy as Patpong should turn out (I will get back to that). This time I had a wingman with me and we took good time to look around and see the places. All places offered us to go in and have a look. And that's what it turned out to be. Just a look. I mean, even those places that had a couple that could be considered, the surroundings just seemed to dirty and creepy to my[Deleted by Admin] liking. And add the ridiculous starting prices, I just decided to not waste more time there.
The next place we went to was Soi Cowboy, and it seemed better already from the look (and not to forget the bad smell at Nana, which was not here). As at Nana we went in to see the lineup and what it was like. And from my liking this was a step or 2 up from Nana. But I will have a better look at the places next time. As this was just reconnaissance trip to these areas to get an overview of where to go next time.
The last of the 3 places was Patpong, and what a weak lineup went into like 3-4 places there, they were chubby and to many were old. And I have to say that the night market what mess to pass through and quiet annoying with a all the people outside that wanted a cut of the cake (commission). I would say that Patpong is not as bad as Nana, but not a lot better either.
Sorry for not remember the names of the places, my wingman was dragged into the places to easy and I hang on to him to not let him end up in an overpriced shitty place. LOL.
I have been around in Brazil a lot, so for me the BKK scene is new, but what I have found out is that so far I prefer the Brazilian scene. Since I love a challenge, I will return and learn more about it. I do how ever find the Social sites quite interesting, I have built up a quite nice group of contacts on both Tinder and Badoo. And meeting up with these girls have been an easy catch and they have not been WG, but turned out to be GFE. As I mentioned in my first report going out with the girls, have a lunch, dinner, drinks or all of them.
Well, this was my small reflection of the BKK scene, and I hope it has some value.
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Entered into Nana, first thing. Smelled like garbage everywhere, it was dirty and to be honest very few I would even consider worth taking for any price at all.
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Since I love a challenge, I will return and learn more about it.
Chico.
Yeh, people that have known Nana for many years would be aware of stench in some places but ignore it. It is not as bad inside the bars.
What Challenge would that be I wonder? Avoid the Ladyboys?
Line ups of girls vary in quality a lot depending on time of night and which day it is and when is payday for the month as well.
Yeh, people that have known Nana for many years would be aware of stench in some places but ignore it. It is not as bad inside the bars.
I must be one of those Nana Plaza regulars who ignores it. I have been going to Nana Plaza at least twice a week for several years, eat at some of the outside bars inside the Plaza and near the entrance on Soi 4 and I honestly can't say I have smelled this supposed stench. I am usually with friends, both male and female, very often newbies to the scene and not one of them has ever mentioned any stench either.
Now, I do think the smell coming from that hamburger stand mini-van that parks at the entrance to the Plaza is weird. I just don't get the attraction for those burgers and the smell of them cooking is not appetizing at all to me. And there might be a mild "garbage" smell in that little pocket of the Plaza on the ground floor at the bottom of the steps behind Mandarin Bar where the old lady with the bad foot sits there snoozing away night after night. But I have not noticed any more of a "garbage" smell in Nana Plaza than in Soi Cowboy, Patpong, down Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, Sois 22, 24, 24/1 and any other tourist bar areas where large amounts of empty beer and liquor bottles are carted out every now and then.
Late reponse.
Poseidon used to have the standard girls on floor 2 and "models" on floor 3. It has changed now. Girls have moved down stairs and they have lots of surgeries girls. I never got shown any higher floor. I found the models on 3rd to be over rated for prettiness. Yes they appeared to have good bodies and were young, but the faces were rather average. For some customers, young = pretty, but that does not work for me. I would much rather get a very pretty girls and compromise a little on the figure maybe. However I am hard to please. I always put "Poseidon" into the category of over-rated, mainly because I found better girls for me elsewhere..I visited Poseidon a few weeks ago. Impressive facilities and about 40 girls in the lineup downstairs. A few doable just due to the larger selection but nothing really special. Also went up to level 3 (think it was level 3 but definitely up a few floors in the lift) and another 20 to 30 up there, not a noticeable difference in quality but price double or triple. I personally found the "look" angled towards Asian tourists which is not really appealing to me. The look is white skin, a bit of plastic surgery and overall plastic type appearance as opposed to the natural darker look that I like. I would have done 1 girls but she was in the process of being grabbed when I walked in so I just passed.
In regards to all the comments about Japanese clubs excluding white foreigners. There is plenty of ass in Thailand so who cares if a few areas are angled towards a particular demographic. I personally don't care one bit.
I must be one of those Nana Plaza regulars who ignores it. I have been going to Nana Plaza at least twice a week for several years, eat at some of the outside bars inside the Plaza and near the entrance on Soi 4 and I honestly can't say I have smelled this supposed stench. I am usually with friends, both male and female, very often newbies to the scene and not one of them has ever mentioned any stench either.
Now, I do think the smell coming from that hamburger stand mini-van that parks at the entrance to the Plaza is weird. I just don't get the attraction for those burgers and the smell of them cooking is not appetizing at all to me. And there might be a mild "garbage" smell in that little pocket of the Plaza on the ground floor at the bottom of the steps behind Mandarin Bar where the old lady with the bad foot sits there snoozing away night after night. But I have not noticed any more of a "garbage" smell in Nana Plaza than in Soi Cowboy, Patpong, down Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, Sois 22, 24, 24/1 and any other tourist bar areas where large amounts of empty beer and liquor bottles are carted out every now and then.There is definitely more of a smell in the Nana area as opposed to the rest of Bangkok, particularly as one compares to the pristine mall areas that are now everywhere. But as you said it is just due to there being more rubbish due to more activity in what is a densely packed little night area. I don't think it is that bad either, just normal for a busy street in Asia with lots going on. I personally like it, a smell of street vendors and generally night life in general. Makes one feel that they are actually alive.
In regards to all the comments about Japanese clubs excluding white foreigners. There is plenty of ass in Thailand so who cares if a few areas are angled towards a particular demographic. I personally don't care one bit.It doesn't bother me either. But I bet if there were clubs that said "white guys only", all hell would break loose due to the rage of complaints.
How long does this generally take to do Sammon, including the results? And what's the cost?You can't say your status by checking others they may be in window periods too early for anti bodies to be detected. Just get a 4th generation combo HIV test done for your self after 14 days from last sexual contact they are conclusive.
OS.
UShobbyist
03-27-18, 01:44
Saturday night was very busy at Baccara and noticed that they too have started members only BS. Not sure it is only on weekends or not. Can someone please confirm and also let me know if this is same in Baccara at Pattaya?
They were also guiding everyone to buy drinks before going in.All the gogo bars on the walking street of Pattaya do NOT need membership to get in. All the gogo bars on Soi cowboy of Bangkok do NOt need membership to get in either.
Just as Amsterdam residents do not hit the streets of the well known RLD to get their share of paid sex. They surely know where to go to get the proper business.
Thanks for the reinforcement. Yes, I learned quickly in Amsterdam too that the RLD was so much tourist fare and little else. I recall taking a tram to the nearest Privhouse and finding all their good talent booked well in advance (presumably by locals). The mongering game really never sleeps. You have to start planning and strategizing months before a trip to get real value out of a location, especially if it's a first time visit. Oh well. Happy mongering!
All the gogo bars on the walking street of Pattaya do NOT need membership to get in. All the gogo bars on Soi cowboy of Bangkok do NOt need membership to get in either.I think the membership BS is just a ploy to turn away certain ethnicities en masse regardless of an individual's appearance. It is quite pervasive in Pattaya but never heard of it happening at Baccara in Soi Cowboy.
Crazy4Thai
03-27-18, 05:20
Is that any worse than judging a girl based on whether she has a wide nose or not?Exactly. To each his own "spec".
I visited Poseidon a few weeks ago. Impressive facilities and about 40 girls in the lineup downstairs. A few doable just due to the larger selection but nothing really special. Also went up to level 3 (think it was level 3 but definitely up a few floors in the lift) and another 20 to 30 up there, not a noticeable difference in quality but price double or triple. I personally found the "look" angled towards Asian tourists which is not really appealing to me. The look is white skin, a bit of plastic surgery and overall plastic type appearance as opposed to the natural darker look that I like. I would have done 1 girls but she was in the process of being grabbed when I walked in so I just passed.
In full agreement with that.
You can't say your status by checking others they may be in window periods too early for anti bodies to be detected. Just get a 4th generation combo HIV test done for your self after 14 days from last sexual contact they are conclusive.
OS.What you describe as useless--getting the girl tested--actually isn't. What it is is less than definitive. If you test a girl and it comes back positive, that is not useless information. If it comes back negative, it either means she does not have HIV or has acquired it rather recently, which as a matter of probabilities is less than a girl having acquired it over a longer period of time. Keeping in mind the female to male odds of HIV transmission are rather low to start with (and male to female not very high), a negative HIV test for the girl does lower the odds even further. But not down to zero owing to the small possibility she could have contracted HIV but is in the time window where it does not yet show up on a test.
Also, getting back to the original question posed, I doubt a bar girl will have a lot of knowledge about any of this, so if the purpose is to have a piece of paper to show her with a negative HIV test, it might work. Then again, there are things like drug-resistant STDs that might also be of concern.
Is that any worse than judging a girl based on whether she has a wide nose or not?Ha ha. Sure a wide nose is a personal characteristic, which some use to rule out a girl (meaning she is not so pretty). Could have been the forehead or the chin, or shape of the pelvis. LOL.
However where the girl comes from, is invisible. Could even be not true. At least I have to SEE her looks, and each to his own taste in looks. I am always clear that I discriminate very strongly on looks, since I have to pay money for it. However I absolutely don't care where the girl comes from. She is allowed to be different to the stereotype for that region.
I will leave to others to accept any ugly broad jaw chubby girls with coconut shaped fake tits that just supposedly come from Chiang Rai or Chiang Mai. LOL I will discriminate and take the ones that are pretty for me.
What you describe as useless--getting the girl tested--actually isn't. What it is is less than definitive. If you test a girl and it comes back positive, that is not useless information. If it comes back negative, it either means she does not have HIV or has acquired it rather recently, which as a matter of probabilities is less than a girl having acquired it over a longer period of time. Keeping in mind the female to male odds of HIV transmission are rather low to start with (and male to female not very high), a negative HIV test for the girl does lower the odds even further. But not down to zero owing to the small possibility she could have contracted HIV but is in the time window where it does not yet show up on a test.
Also, getting back to the original question posed, I doubt a bar girl will have a lot of knowledge about any of this, so if the purpose is to have a piece of paper to show her with a negative HIV test, it might work. Then again, there are things like drug-resistant STDs that might also be of concern.Spot On. Cheap double test at Red Cross Clinic for you and the girl provides good information. While the test is not definite for those catching HIV in the last 2 weeks (even to 1 month), if the girl tests negative, then the probability she has HIV has just decreased massively by many factors of 10. So you would indeed feel good about her negative result.
Most girls with HIV have been doing BB for many years and eventually their luck ran out. They are likely to have had HIV for quite some time and it is highly likely to be detected. Rates of new HIV cases in Thailand have dropped significantly over recent years. So the big risks are with girls that had HIV for quite some time.
Even if the girl tested Positive, you go back for another HIV test at Red Cross in a month to confirm you still missed catching it. It is not the easiest thing to catch from a girl. You have to be unlucky.
BBFS comes with much higher risks of catching other STDs. I have decided to make a Red Cross visit every few months, for checking some basics. Just to be sure. Interestingly, I wanted to know if I ever might have caught a Herpes Simplex virus (including HSV-1 cold sores), since I never had any obvious symptoms, and could easily have caught such thing at some point from kissing or BBBJ, or DATY. There is an IgG test for it, which came back negative recently. This surprised me a little since most people get one of the HSVs at some time, and I would expect mongers to be at much higher risk. Not sure if it possible to have had long ago and not have the antibodies detected any more.
There are no cast iron guarantees in this world. However if I was taking on a hooker for regular BB, I would prefer she was tested too for HIV.
I must be one of those Nana Plaza regulars who ignores it. I have been going to Nana Plaza at least twice a week for several years, eat at some of the outside bars inside the Plaza and near the entrance on Soi 4 and I honestly can't say I have smelled this supposed stench. I am usually with friends, both male and female, very often newbies to the scene and not one of them has ever mentioned any stench either.
Now, I do think the smell coming from that hamburger stand mini-van that parks at the entrance to the Plaza is weird. I just don't get the attraction for those burgers and the smell of them cooking is not appetizing at all to me. And there might be a mild "garbage" smell in that little pocket of the Plaza on the ground floor at the bottom of the steps behind Mandarin Bar where the old lady with the bad foot sits there snoozing away night after night. But I have not noticed any more of a "garbage" smell in Nana Plaza than in Soi Cowboy, Patpong, down Sukhumvit Soi 7/1, Sois 22, 24, 24/1 and any other tourist bar areas where large amounts of empty beer and liquor bottles are carted out every now and then.
Normally I don't comment on Nana stinks either. This is Thailand. We accept it.
Try the staircases, especially the one to the right behind the escalator next to Mandarin. LOL I have a big nose. It works too well. I don't use ST rooms in Nana. They are pretty stinky. With many ST Hotels, it is pot luck whether you get a room with stinky plumbing or not. You can imagine, since my nose is sensitive that I have some degree of racial discrimination. On BTS I will choose a seat next to Thais in preference, due to the low chances of body odour, avoiding to risk sitting next to African, Middle Eastern, Sub-continent, or even Farangs dressed in singlet. Sometimes encounter really bad BO and have to move to the other end of the carriage, or even get off.
The Nana Plaza hamburger stand was once okay Until it got taken over by the low brain son of someone controlling these things, maybe 2 to 3 years ago. The ingredients are now very low quality. The burgers are very pale and have low meat content. Any beef at all? I don't know. Maybe eating beef is against his religion? LOL. Not surprising it smells strange. As soon as this guy took over, the business dropped away completely, yet he never got the message, that burgers need to be of a certain minimum quality (not garbage burgers). The Cowboy Hamburger stand at at Corner bar next to Baccara is vastly superior. I find they make me a very acceptable burger to my personal specs at a good price. They have other things which I don't take. They even have black pepper I can use on my burger. I don't tale Mayo, and don't like a soggy burger. Can sit and apply condiments of your personal choice.
Spot On. Cheap double test at Red Cross Clinic for you and the girl provides good information. While the test is not definite for those catching HIV in the last 2 weeks (even to 1 month), if the girl tests negative, then the probability she has HIV has just decreased massively by many factors of 10. So you would indeed feel good about her negative result.
Most girls with HIV have been doing BB for many years and eventually their luck ran out. They are likely to have had HIV for quite some time and it is highly likely to be detected. Rates of new HIV cases in Thailand have dropped significantly over recent years. So the big risks are with girls that had HIV for quite some time.
Even if the girl tested Positive, you go back for another HIV test at Red Cross in a month to confirm you still missed catching it. It is not the easiest thing to catch from a girl. You have to be unlucky.
BBFS comes with much higher risks of catching other STDs. I have decided to make a Red Cross visit every few months, for checking some basics. Just to be sure. Interestingly, I wanted to know if I ever might have caught a Herpes Simplex virus (including HSV-1 cold sores), since I never had any obvious symptoms, and could easily have caught such thing at some point from kissing or BBBJ, or DATY. There is an IgG test for it, which came back negative recently. This surprised me a little since most people get one of the HSVs at some time, and I would expect mongers to be at much higher risk. Not sure if it possible to have had long ago and not have the antibodies detected any more.
There are no cast iron guarantees in this world. However if I was taking on a hooker for regular BB, I would prefer she was tested too for HIV.I get tested for HIV and Syphilis every two months at the Thai Red Cross simply because it is nearby, easy and fast to do, cheap (200 baht for each, 400 baht total) and I like to have the document on hand in case anyone wants to see it to feel more comfortable. BTW, if you want a printed document result, they will need your passport and phone number. And they will retest your blood in a week or two, I forget which, and call you if there is any change in the results. I have never been called later. That is just what the counselor tells you when she gives you your document.
But I've got to ask the general membership here something; I have been reading about testing yourself, testing the girl, testing too soon, testing too cheaply, testing for this, testing for that, testing the right way, testing often enough, retesting, testing and retesting again for many years on these kinds of message boards and have to say I have not once in all those years read a Field Report saying anything like, "Oh my god, that was a close one! I got my girl tested before fucking her and I'll be damned if she didn't have HIV!" Or, "I'll be damned if she didn't come up with one of those drug resistant STDs we've all been hearing about!" Or, "I'll be damned if I didn't test positive for BOTH!!"
The question: Has that ever happened to anyone reading this? I don't want to hear that it happened to a friend of a friend's cousin or some such tale. Has it ever happened to YOU? It has certainly never happened to me.
I have never read such a thing on any of these message boards, ever. Maybe I just missed it. But can we quietly assume nobody is taking anyone's advice about testing oneself and testing one's girl? Or is it that with all the testing and retesting of ourselves and our girls over the years, not one of us or those girls has come up with anything worth mentioning? Or is the horrible truth that it turns out all of us and our girls are riddled with HIV, drug resistant STDs and worse, but we're all too embarrassed to admit it online with our anonymous usernames? LOL. Seriously, folks.
Normally I don't comment on Nana stinks either. This is Thailand. We accept it.
Try the staircases, especially the one to the right behind the escalator next to Mandarin. LOL I have a big nose. It works too well. I don't use ST rooms in Nana. They are pretty stinky. With many ST Hotels, it is pot luck whether you get a room with stinky plumbing or not. Yes, as I mentioned in my post, that area at the bottom of the stairs behind Mandarin Bar is one place in Nana Plaza where I have smelled "garbage". But only when I am standing in that one area. Otherwise, it is smells coming from the food carts.
The stinky plumbing issue, the one I have noticed at least, can come up anywhere in Bangkok, even in perfectly decent hotels, condos and apartments. Like a strong cabbage smell. But it is fleeting and it goes away as fast as it comes up. I am told it has something to do with Bangkok having an "open" sewer system so gasses cannot build up and cause an explosion as has happened in some large metropolitan cities.
When that smell comes up in a toilet I am near, I have observed it going away if I flush the toilet three times in a row after each refill of the tank. Don't know if that is what makes the smell go away, just that it seems to do so after I do that three flush routine. It happens in my apartment complex, a very clean and tidy, vermin-free, garbage-free building essentially between Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, about once every month or two. Even without doing the three flush routine, that cabbage smell will go away within a half hour.
Engine Driver
03-27-18, 08:56
Yes, as I mentioned in my post, that area at the bottom of the stairs behind Mandarin Bar is one place where I have smelled "garbage". But only when I am standing in that one area. Otherwise, it is smells coming from the food carts.
The stinky plumbing issue can come up anywhere in Bangkok, even in perfectly decent hotels and apartments. Like a strong cabbage smell. But it is fleeting and it goes away as fast as it comes up. I am told it has something to do with Bangkok having an "open" sewer system so gasses cannot build up and cause an explosion as has happened in some large metropolitan cities. When that smell comes up in a toilet I am near, I have observed it going away if I flush the toilet three times in a row after each refill of the tank. Don't know if that is what makes the smell go away, just that it seems to do so after I do that three flush routine. It happens in my apartment complex, essentially between Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy, about once every month or two.Mate, get a clothes peg and put it on your nose. Problem fixed.
I get tested for HIV and Syphilis every two months at the Thai Red Cross simply because it is nearby, easy and fast to do, cheap (200 baht for each, 400 baht total) and I like to have the document on hand in case anyone wants to see it to feel more comfortable. BTW, if you want a printed document result, they will need your passport and phone number. And they will retest your blood in a week or two, I forget which, and call you if there is any change in the results. I have never been called later. That is just what the counselor tells you when she gives you your document.
But I've got to ask the general membership here something; I have been reading about testing yourself, testing the girl, testing too soon, testing too cheaply, testing for this, testing for that, testing the right way, testing often enough, retesting, testing and retesting again for many years on these kinds of message boards and have to say I have not once in all those years read a Field Report saying anything like, "Oh my god, that was a close one! I got my girl tested before fucking her and I'll be damned if she didn't have HIV!" Or, "I'll be damned if she didn't come up with one of those drug resistant STDs we've all been hearing about!" Or, "I'll be damned if I didn't test positive for BOTH!!"
The question: Has that ever happened to anyone reading this? I don't want to hear that it happened to a friend of a friend's cousin or some such tale. Has it ever happened to YOU? It has certainly never happened to me.
I have never read such a thing on any of these message boards, ever. Maybe I just missed it. But can we quietly assume nobody is taking anyone's advice about testing oneself and testing one's girl? Or is it that with all the testing and retesting of ourselves and our girls over the years, not one of us or those girls has come up with anything worth mentioning? Or is the horrible truth that it turns out all of us and our girls are riddled with HIV, drug resistant STDs and worse, but we're all too embarrassed to admit it online with our anonymous usernames? LOL. Seriously, folks.It is unrealistic to suppose people are going to disclose that they are HIV positive or have a drug-resistant strain of gonorrhea on the internet, whether they are truly anonymous or known by other people who can identify them (which is the case with many people here). In fact, I'd be pretty sure many people would have trouble disclosing this to a best friend. Dream on.
I get tested for HIV and Syphilis every two months at the Thai Red Cross simply because it is nearby, easy and fast to do, cheap (200 baht for each, 400 baht total) and I like to have the document on hand in case anyone wants to see it to feel more comfortable. BTW, if you want a printed document result, they will need your passport and phone number. And they will retest your blood in a week or two, I forget which, and call you if there is any change in the results. I have never been called later. That is just what the counselor tells you when she gives you your document.
But I've got to ask the general membership here something; I have been reading about testing yourself, testing the girl, testing too soon, testing too cheaply, testing for this, testing for that, testing the right way, testing often enough, retesting, testing and retesting again for many years on these kinds of message boards and have to say I have not once in all those years read a Field Report saying anything like, "Oh my god, that was a close one! I got my girl tested before fucking her and I'll be damned if she didn't have HIV!" Or, "I'll be damned if she didn't come up with one of those drug resistant STDs we've all been hearing about!" Or, "I'll be damned if I didn't test positive for BOTH!!".Hi,
Since we are on the subject of testing at Thai red Cross.
(1) what other STD test they provide? (gonorrhoea, chlamydia, etc?
(2) any ideas how long do the other test take?
I'm thinking of getting a thorough test during my trip.
Thanks.
I get tested for HIV and Syphilis every two months at the Thai Red Cross simply because it is nearby, easy and fast to do, cheap (200 baht for each, 400 baht total) and I like to have the document on hand in case anyone wants to see it to feel more comfortable. BTW, if you want a printed document result, they will need your passport and phone number. And they will retest your blood in a week or two, I forget which, and call you if there is any change in the results. I have never been called later. That is just what the counselor tells you when she gives you your document.
The 2nd HIV test is a different test that takes more time. It is the virus amplification test and is much more sensitive. So the initial test is only moderately accurate and could miss a very small amount of HIV in your system. The subsequent contact occurs if the amplification test was able to detect minute amounts the initial quick test could not.
Amplification test is much cheaper at red Cross, than most places, due to having a lot of customers. They can split your blood into two parts. The first is mixed with 20 other patients (as example) and then undergoes amplification. If no HIV is detected at all. Then all 20 pass negative. If a positive occurs, then they have to redo amplification for each separate patient to see who caused the positive. Red Cross best know how many patients is optimal for efficiency to amplify together.
So actually your initial report on the day, is not the end of it. That is just a good indicator. What percent reliable I don't know exactly. There is no follow up reconfirm document however. They contact you if something is found wrong.
Last visit to Mercury, it still had Coyotes and go-go girls.
Seems it was approx. Jun 2017 when it changed to be Mercury Ladyboy bar. I was struggling to believe it could possibly be a full year ago. I really cannot imagine why there is a need for so many ladyboy bars in Nana Plaza, but maybe the sweep out of some Sukhumvit ladyboy cart bars, and regular police raids against ladyboys in Soi 4 had that effect.
Anyway, I doubt LB bars in general are safe, since LBs often have to stoop to scams and crimes to get money.
Scam bars are still existing upstairs in Pat Pong it seems. E. g. The bars names "pussy" something. These are "pay for show" bars. To me the shows are not worth anything. The shows in Crazy House are ugly awful too, utilising the ugliest girls in the shop who can't get money by other means. I don't want to contribute any tips for show performers. No interest whatsoever. Girls that ugly should just go find some other way to make money, e. G. Oily massage joints. Pat Pong style shows in Long Gun, are not much better, but at least they have some dance shows by girls not in the "ugliest" category.
I probably first encountered a scam bar upstairs in Pat Pong in 1991. My more experienced wingman did the dirty, and left the bar before me, leaving me to deal with the bill and attempted rip offs for non existent cover charge and for shows. Somehow I managed to stay firm and get out of there paying for the drinks only and nothing else. I could speak Thai a little bit at the time, but probably not relevant. Maybe they sensed I was just not that intimidated by them. Can't really say how aggressive they might get. For some reason, since that date, I have seen scam attempts on other newbie customers at certain bars in Pat Pong like "Thigh Bar" long ago, maybe Firecat or similar (hard to remember), but was never attempted on me again. So must be something to do with the newbie look for guys who do not know what is going on. Speaking better Thai at a later date must have excluded me.
It is unrealistic to suppose people are going to disclose that they are HIV positive or have a drug-resistant strain of gonorrhea on the internet, whether they are truly anonymous or known by other people who can identify them (which is the case with many people here). In fact, I'd be pretty sure many people would have trouble disclosing this to a best friend. Dream on.And what about the no name, no identity lady that is referenced and supposed to be getting tested before having sex with her sponsor? Nobody here or any other site like this on the internet can bring themselves to disclose that that has ever resulted in something serious over the past decade or so either?
And what about the no name, no identity lady that is referenced and supposed to be getting tested before having sex with her sponsor? Nobody here or any other site like this on the internet can bring themselves to disclose that that has ever resulted in something serious over the past decade or so either?I have never known personally anyone who has tested a lady before having sex with them, or at least I have never been aware of this. I suppose it happens, but I would guess rarely. And if a so-called sponsor did this (are there many sponsors on this forum?) I doubt he would come running to post the result on the internet.
I have never known personally anyone who has tested a lady before having sex with them, or at least I have never been aware of this. I suppose it happens, but I would guess rarely. And if a so-called sponsor did this (are there many sponsors on this forum?) I doubt he would come running to post the result on the internet.Then after years of talk on these sites about getting tested and I'll say zero follow up reports of anyone or their lady friend testing positive for anything somewhat serious much less something we hear will lead to the end of the world as we know it, you think that is simply because no one has ever, not even once, even knowing they could opt out and rejoin these sites under a different email and username, been bold enough to admit a bad test result for themselves or some girl they don't even know all that well and never revealed the identity of here?
If that is it, ok.
I guess I would say it is because either very few straight men or their lady friends actually bother to get tested or their test results are what statistics say they would likely be; negative / non-reactive for anything really serious that could possibly be transmitted from men to women or women to men during the course of typical vaginal or oral sex. Meaning, the hysteria about what one ought to be worried about enough to get tested just doesn't pan out as justified in the real world.
I have used those OraQuick test kits on girls before. I had 5 kits and used them all. None of them tested positive. I wish I knew a girl who was HIV positive just to run one of those tests on her to see if they really work.
Then after years of talk on these sites about getting tested and I'll say zero follow up reports of anyone or their lady friend testing positive for anything somewhat serious much less something we hear will lead to the end of the world as we know it, you think that is simply because no one has ever, not even once, even knowing they could opt out and rejoin these sites under a different email and username, been bold enough to admit a bad test result for themselves or some girl they don't even know all that well and never revealed the identity of here?
If that is it, ok.
I guess I would say it is because either very few straight men or their lady friends actually bother to get tested or their test results are what statistics say they would likely be; negative / non-reactive for anything really serious that could possibly be transmitted from men to women or women to men during the course of typical vaginal or oral sex. Meaning, the hysteria about what one ought to be worried about enough to get tested just doesn't pan out as justified in the real world.2 close friends in the last few months with multi-drug resistant NSUs.
Yes, as I mentioned in my post, that area at the bottom of the stairs behind Mandarin Bar is one place in Nana Plaza where I have smelled "garbage". But only when I am standing in that one area. Otherwise, it is smells coming from the food carts.
Today visited Nana Plaza. Could not find any stinky areas. It has been well cleaned up. All the ground bars in the centre are gone, and now has a sail like roof.
One cannot assume one knows a bar unless one has visited recently and really several times or regularly. Because line ups change a lot from day to day and completely within months.
Started at Nana Plaza in New Lollipop. Was only 8 PM so a bit early it seems for NP. The line up seemed to have deteriorated a lot from last visit but no LBs detected and apparently the Coyotes had not yet arrived. No topless girls. Boring!
Next stop was Diamonds 2nd floor (ex Candyland 2 and ex Hotlips I think). Mostly pretty girls whether Coyotes or gogo girls. Suprisingly good average standard. Definitely better than Crazy House on average. A few girls were topless and had beautiful naturals (if not huge). I liked one skinny girl but she dashed to straight to her regular customer an old fat guy. I should check again another day. Diamonds had 2 LBs at least, but was a secret not to be discussed. LOL One was entertaining a Farang customer.
Twisters. A large line up of girls, most above average, but very few stunners this time. I would say the line up has deteriorated to be well behind Billboard right now. One stunning girl did interest me.
Next stop Butterflys on 3rd floor. Greatly improved from Jailbirdz previously and quite a lot of girls. Trying to copy the Billboard setup having a girls in bath area. No real stunners, but some acceptable girls. Nothing to draw me back in a hurry.
Next Billboard. Wow Billboard had a line up vastly better than my last visit a few months back. Astonishing how they had quite a few pretty tall slim model types on the rotating stage. I fancied a very cute 900, but seemed she had an Asian customer who was thoroughly hooked and playing around with her, she did not return to the stage. A couple of the bath area girls were also nice. 836 looked very familiar. It finally dawned on me that she looked like a less slim sister for Kiera Knightly, with face and smile reminiscent but more flesh (so not gaunt). There were so many hot girls on the rotating stage that one could get very confused, as to which one was preferred. Obviously need to return early another day to try to get 900. Billboard was the busiest bar visited not absolutely full.
Rainbow was visited quite early (after Lollipop) but they had only 3 girls dancing and no customers, so obviously before right time.
Went to Cowboy and intended to see if Long Gun was as poor as I saw at my last visit, but never made it. Looked in Five Star (small sister bar to Crazy H). A few girls dancing nude, but they also have Coyotes. Ging dancing naked recognised me immediately since she was an ex regular for me at Crazy House, maybe 3 years ago. Ging has lost weight so very curvy but tits are now only just a CeeCup I guess. Once she was heavier and a Dee-cup. Still her ass was looking very good. Ging was the only gogo girl I knew there, but a couple of others looked okay I ended up BFing Ging as per old times, and had a good session as usual. She seemed horny enough. Ging tells me she is reluctant to go with customers she does not know already, but I can't tell if this is true or not. She claims to be most days just selling drinks. Ging is happy to go with me though, since I am a nice guy (with girls I like), and she secretly likes the DATY (as do most of my girls), which is understandable. It's similar to most guys really like a great BJ but not easy to get a really good one out of many bargirls. Maybe some guys will remember Ging with big naturals, I think was number 50 at CH 2 to 3 years back.
5 star had at least one LB gogo girl, who was entertaining an Asian customer sitting right next to me. I am not sure if he knew. Again was supposed to be a secret for these Post-op types. Crazy Cats has at least one LB too. So LBs are starting to creep into a lot of bars which are supposed to be girl only bars. Stay vigilant and if you think a girl looks a bit sus, she probably is.
I was actually looking for 2 or 3 known girls in Nana Plaza, without knowing for sure where they might work. None of the 3 were found, but found some surprisingly good places for pretty girls, unexpectedly, and confirmed that right now Nana Plaza is not stinky anywhere that I passed, including several stairwells. There has been a very good clean up job done.
3 Cart bars were open in Soi 23, as per last visit.
One cannot assume one knows a bar unless one has visited recently and really several times or regularly. Because line ups change a lot from day to day and completely within months.
Started at Nana Plaza in New Lollipop. Was only 8 PM so a bit early it seems for NP. The line up seemed to have deteriorated a lot from last visit but no LBs detected and apparently the Coyotes had not yet arrived. No topless girls. Boring!
Next stop was Diamonds 2nd floor (ex Candyland 2 and ex Hotlips I think). Mostly pretty girls whether Coyotes or gogo girls. Suprisingly good average standard. Definitely better than Crazy House on average. A few girls were topless and had beautiful naturals (if not huge). I liked one skinny girl but she dashed to straight to her regular customer an old fat guy. I should check again another day. Diamonds had 2 LBs at least, but was a secret not to be discussed. LOL One was entertaining a Farang customer.
Twisters. A large line up of girls, most above average, but very few stunners this time. I would say the line up has deteriorated to be well behind Billboard right now. One stunning girl did interest me.
Next stop Butterflys on 3rd floor. Greatly improved from Jailbirdz previously and quite a lot of girls. Trying to copy the Billboard setup having a girls in bath area. No real stunners, but some acceptable girls. Nothing to draw me back in a hurry.
Next Billboard. Wow Billboard had a line up vastly better than my last visit a few months back. Astonishing how they had quite a few pretty tall slim model types on the rotating stage. I fancied a very cute 900, but seemed she had an Asian customer who was thoroughly hooked and playing around with her, she did not return to the stage. A couple of the bath area girls were also nice. 836 looked very familiar. It finally dawned on me that she looked like a less slim sister for Kiera Knightly, with face and smile reminiscent but more flesh (so not gaunt). There were so many hot girls on the rotating stage that one could get very confused, as to which one was preferred. Obviously need to return early another day to try to get 900. Billboard was the busiest bar visited not absolutely full.
Rainbow was visited quite early (after Lollipop) but they had only 3 girls dancing and no customers, so obviously before right time.
I agree with your bar tour assessment here. Recently, I have been taking Billboard and Burrterfles girls more often with very satisfying and happy results. Also a couple of Bangkok Bunnies girls, not mentioned in your tour. But I am not attracted to or inspired by as many girls there lately as in other bars.
Supposedly, after the outdoor canopy work is completed and tested, the center area outside bar will reopen.
I have only taken 1-2 repeated girls from Soi Cowboy lately since Nana Plaza is a little closer to where I live (LOL) and I have been quite pleased with the new girls I have taken from Nana Plaza and that area these days. But, most importantly, I find Soi Cowboy to only "look" like it is loaded with younger, prettier girls available for P4P than Nana when in fact it is mostly loaded with non-barfineable, panty hose wearing, Lady Drink hustling Coyote scammers not worth more to me than a row of lovely potted plants. With a few exceptions here and there of course.
Houston Player
03-28-18, 01:34
2 close friends in the last few months with multi-drug resistant NSUs.Sir, Please don't leave us with this small amount of information. What is the final outcome? I would assume that they are completely cured but with some difficulty and multiple weeks of antibiotic combinations.
Sir, Please don't leave us with this small amount of information. What is the final outcome? I would assume that they are completely cured but with some difficulty and multiple weeks of antibiotic combinations.Went through several rounds of anti-biotics. One has some meds ordered from Australia for him. Ok, but it was a battle.
I agree with your bar tour assessment here. Recently, I have been taking Billboard and Burrterfles girls more often with very satisfying and happy results. Also a couple of Bangkok Bunnies girls, not mentioned in your tour. But I am not attracted to or inspired by as many girls there lately as in other bars.
Okay My earliest visit to BBunnies saw almost every topless girl having either silicone or bad sag, the next visit saw a lot of improvement in the line up. So my point is, without trying again, I can't know if has improved a lot further for my taste or not. So I will take a new look another day.
Clearly everyone has different taste and many are liking the surgeries girls. Billboard had a lot of no surgeries girls and many tall slim model types, where Butterflies was a bit behind in this category although still plenty of non surgery girls. I rate Billboard line up significantly higher, for my taste on this Tuesday. Not many tall slim models are in the bath area. LOL Bath girls are usually the short girls, but mostly natural tits, which is good, but not so perfect body shapes, appealed to me less. Billboard had far higher rate of customers compared to Butterflies. Twisters had a pretty fair set of customers, however the models were not as good (except for 1 or 2).
The key point is whether you can find the right pretty girls with the attitude you are looking for. For looks only, I am now rating some bars as quite superior to Cowboy bars. I only ever BFed one girl from Billboard (with repeats) before and she was perfect GFE. She found a sponsor very quickly I would bet. Just so sweet and lovely. So it is about choosing well or getting lucky.
On Billboard stage, some are Coyotes and probably have a steeper BF, I forgot to check. Not clear if all are available for sex. Safer to choose the G-string girls (maybe) although my previous girl from Billboard did not wear a G-string (something bigger).
I have not been into a bar like Rainbow 3 for many years. It was once an extremely high pressure hassle by staff place, where could not sit an relax. I wonder if it ever changed and became a better bar?
I have used those OraQuick test kits on girls before. I had 5 kits and used them all. None of them tested positive. I wish I knew a girl who was HIV positive just to run one of those tests on her to see if they really work.Web suggests about 91% chance of identifying a HIV positive correctly (assumes correct usage). Not expected to work well for HIV contracted in last 3 months.
So 91% is better than nothing. If negative, at least you improved your risk odds 10 fold. Clearly not even close to Red Cross virus amplification test accuracy levels (the non instant one), and significantly behind a proper same day blood test as well.
If a girl is willing to be tested, that already decreases the likelihood she has HIV, as could indicate she is not aware of any HIV. I think they estimate about 1 in 6 HIV positives were unaware, which could be due to having it a relatively short time, and of course not being tested.
If girl test positive to the oral test, what would you do? Wear a condom and still fuck is probably a rational thing, but guys would have to be scared of a condom accident, and I am sure psychologically not keen to continue. Of course thousands of guys are fucking HIV positive girls every day, blissfully unaware, but hopefully using condoms, to be safe.
I do BB only with a girl tested at Red Cross from time to time, and she is doing a very limited set of guys. She is not a hooker doing BBFS every day. My biggest concern would be to catch some other STD. That always has a much higher chance. I have caught an STD in the past likely to be from BBBJ, or fingering. So there are always risks. Choose sensible girls that are likely to be safer, not too wild and wayward. Ha ha. I know wild and wayward is exactly your taste. LOL
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Of course thousands of guys are fucking HIV positive girls every day, blissfully unaware, but hopefully using condoms, to be safe.
-snip-I assume you mean on the entire planet Earth and not just in the Bangkok P4 P scene, right?
I have not been into a bar like Rainbow 3 for many years. It was once an extremely high pressure hassle by staff place, where could not sit an relax. I wonder if it ever changed and became a better bar?The only bar in all of Thailand were I have lost my temper - 3 years ago. A ***** of a waiter shouted to me that I had to buy another beer. I already had one and sat for 2 minutes to consider if I should leave or buy another one. This lady made it easy to chose. I shouted back and asked her to "f**ck off" and leave me alone. I went to the manager and asked her to fire this stupid waiter. Needless to say, they did nothing. Never set my foot in Rainbow 3 after that. From what I recall the bar was nothing special. The other Rainbow bars are better, but a little boring. Very little interaction and flirting from the girls on stage.
Choose sensible girls that are likely to be safer, not too wild and wayward. Ha ha. I know wild and wayward is exactly your taste. LOLJust because my favorite Thai girl decorates and paints her body and face like a Zulu warrior, has had multiple surgeries and piercings, has been in the business for years and years, and has a French boyfriend who enjoys traveling to Africa to have sex with green monkeys, you think that might make her high risk?
I assume you mean on the entire planet Earth and not just in the Bangkok P4 P scene, right?Yeh, I forgot this Bangkok Thread for a moment, since we were on a more general topic. LOL.
I don't actually know the number of HIV Hookers likely in Bangkok or what percentage of the hookers should HIV Positive. I do know of at least one girl reported to be HIV Positive, that I met in 1991 but never fucked her. She was a friend of my regular girl and very pretty. Should be aged at least 46 now. 18 YO hookers maybe be statistically much less likely to be HIV positive, using a logical guess, based on fewer total BB fucks.
Just because my favorite Thai girl decorates and paints her body and face like a Zulu warrior, has had multiple surgeries and piercings, has been in the business for years and years, and has a French boyfriend who enjoys traveling to Africa to have sex with green monkeys, you think that might make her high risk?You did not mention if she takes it BB up the ass. That would definitely decide it. LOL.
The only bar in all of Thailand were I have lost my temper - 3 years ago. A ***** of a waiter shouted to me that I had to buy another beer. I already had one and sat for 2 minutes to consider if I should leave or buy another one. This lady made it easy to chose. I shouted back and asked her to "f**ck off" and leave me alone. I went to the manager and asked her to fire this stupid waiter. Needless to say, they did nothing. Never set my foot in Rainbow 3 after that. From what I recall the bar was nothing special. The other Rainbow bars are better, but a little boring. Very little interaction and flirting from the girls on stage.It would be a lot more years since my visit, but like you, this was one of the very few bars that made my blood boil. I am normally very relaxed and laid back in most bars, even the ones I have no great liking for. I usually can ignore the odd approach by waitresses, mamasans, or girls.
Strangely I took a strong dislike to the setup at Hillary 4, I think it was. The staff get paid by how many drinks they sell, and this caused many of them to keep hassling me about ordering more drinks. I expect that Rainbow 3 could have been the same.
Forpiyshjain
03-29-18, 09:47
First timer. Landing at midnight at Don Muang Airport. Need help on below:
Post 2 am, which bar can I go with a motive of good lapdance.
Next day, in morning to evening, I wish to plan nuru massage, soapy massage for sure. Which time and which place should I hit. I am on budget and want to explore the fantasies Bangkok has to offer.
Is there any club offering Russian lap dance or foreigners massage?
What should I be checking in the evening next day?
Sex is not on my mind. But good lapdance, voyeurism, BDSM, lesbian act, special massages.
Any help will be appreciated.
I know that girls from soapies like SW, Mango cost 3000 bahts for 2 hours in your hotel room. However, the quality in soapies was quite low this time. Freelancers were cheap at 1000 bahts but quality was horrible. Looks like I have to up the game and expand the horizon. I have not tried the bar scene so far in soi cow boy or nana so can someone please let me know average cost of ST (2 hours) from bars in nana or soi cowboy area? (cost of BF + cost of girl + cost of drinks).
Thanks in Advance.
I know that girls from soapies like SW, Mango cost 3000 bahts for 2 hours in your hotel room. However, the quality in soapies was quite low this time. Freelancers were cheap at 1000 bahts but quality was horrible. Looks like I have to up the game and expand the horizon. I have not tried the bar scene so far in soi cow boy or nana so can someone please let me know average cost of ST (2 hours) from bars in nana or soi cowboy area? (cost of BF + cost of girl + cost of drinks).
Thanks in Advance.Those are known as Oilies not Soapies. There is no bath in soap suds, and no fishbowl to select the ladies from. There are virtually no more Soapies in Sukhumvit, except that Chavala is sort of like a Soapy but did not have proper rooms last visit (maybe 20 years ago), and have no full sex.
Generally you can find better looking girls in some bars.
I agree with your bar tour assessment here. Recently, I have been taking Billboard and Burrterfles girls more often with very satisfying and happy results. Also a couple of Bangkok Bunnies girls, not mentioned in your tour. But I am not attracted to or inspired by as many girls there lately as in other bars.
There was some smell in the left staircase descending from Billboard today, but only slight. Not that noticeable compared to streets in Thailand.
I tried out Bangkok Bunnies. This bar is a little bit more playful and wayward than Billboard, and girls mostly have fuller figures, a significant portion were "bpum bpui" (pudgy) for me. Some girls were showing off their tits uncovered. I got approached by at least 4 girls. I ignored them all and refused to look at them or shake their hands. That works. The best slim model types were 3 girls. All 3 were sitting with this guy with a man bun. These were of reasonably high standard for me but all occupied. It was about 11 pm.
My earliest visit to Bunnies found the place dominated by silicone but this was no longer the case, with plenty of natural tit girls available. Overall level of surgeries was quite low. This place is going to suit guys who don't like skinny girls, or do not prefer skinny, most likely.
For those like me who prefer the skinny model types with natural tits, Billboard is the better choice. In Billboard the girls don't hassle you. At 11.30 PM the place was rather full so was better to sit on the sides to get away from standing groups of guys. One floor (girl group) was a bit average but the other group had plenty of skinny models and some quite pretty, that I could say virtually stunning for my taste.
Girls 900,918, 52,94 were all very pretty and sexy to my taste. There were several runners up as well. Would take time to find out who is the best choice for BF. 900 and 918 looked very playful with guys they were with. I will need to talk to them another day. I chatted with 94 Aew and 52 Kate. Kate (from Rayong) was the best looking in an exotic way and best body, but she was a bit hyper active and slightly crazy. Could be high on something. I had misgivings about BFing her sometime, as I prefer someone more relaxed, less kooky. Aew was a very nice girl, less stunning, and maybe a little bit of baby damage, mostly covered up by the knickers, and small tits. A possibility but I would like a chance to know 900 and 918 first. So Billboard is still a work in progress. I don't like to pick a girl too quick and make a mistake. Billboard is quite low on silicones but there are a few nose jobs. 54 looked like a LB to me, but I am assured there are no LBs there. Just was shaped a bit too slim in the hips and moved a little strangely.
For 2nd time, this week, a girl chatted to me about a very popular Thai soapy serial currently showing on the TV. They were surprised I knew quite a bit about it. I had checked it out on You Tube to see if was good for testing my Thai comprehension. Today actually the two girls chatting to each other mentioned it. Certain TV shows can be an important topic for young Thai girls, especially the romantic kind, comedies, or ghost stories, or preferably a combination of two categories. LOL.
The fat bad mamasan always has to come and annoy me for a moment, since she remembers me from her Crazy House and Mercury days (probably fired from both), however I never forget how she ripped me off 300 baht change from the BF once, by disappearing in the toilet at closing time. So if at Billboard, avoid the big fat mamasan. I think there is only one like this.
Post 2 am, which bar can I go with a motive of good lapdance.
Billboard and Crazy House and a few others are good for getting a girl to gyrate sitting on your lap (in Crazy that is completely nude), however post 2 am is too late. Most bars are closing at 2 am, and some days when police around closing at 1 am.
9 pm is the perfect time to attend. You will have to buy drinks for the girl.
If you don't want sex, the best thing to do at 2am is go to sleep, or call an all night massage place to send a girl to you, but that will cost you the same as taking sex most likely (I never tried so I don't know if any sexy girls want to do late massage for cheap price - doubtful).
Strangely I took a strong dislike to the setup at Hillary 4, I think it was. The staff get paid by how many drinks they sell, and this caused many of them to keep hassling me about ordering more drinks. I expect that Rainbow 3 could have been the same.Correction. That should have been Hillary 1 I believe, it was on the west side of Soi 4. Looks like a redevelopment area now.
MichaelSamuel
03-30-18, 01:24
Not to pile on but my experience with Rainbow 3 was bad too. Post #36486. I haven't been back since, won't even bother poking my head in the curtain. It's been a couple years and I am certainly wiser and more experienced and things change, but honestly the experience just rubbed me the wrong way too much.
The only bar in all of Thailand were I have lost my temper - 3 years ago. A ***** of a waiter shouted to me that I had to buy another beer. I already had one and sat for 2 minutes to consider if I should leave or buy another one. This lady made it easy to chose. I shouted back and asked her to "f**ck off" and leave me alone. I went to the manager and asked her to fire this stupid waiter. Needless to say, they did nothing. Never set my foot in Rainbow 3 after that. From what I recall the bar was nothing special. The other Rainbow bars are better, but a little boring. Very little interaction and flirting from the girls on stage.
MichaelSamuel
03-30-18, 01:39
I have been barfining from Billboard last few years and 1 of my regulars is there. I have never heard of or seen any girl at billboard that wouldn't barfine. As my girl explained to me they do have "agency" girls, but their barfine is the same they have the triple digit numbers XXX. The girls that work for the bar just have double digit numbers XX. She was originally an agency girl and then their agent disappeared owing all her girls money and the billboard mgt offered to bring them on. That's the story at least she told me, didn't ask for extra money or anything and this was after I had seen her a bunch of times so no reason to disbelieve it.
The one thing they started in the last year was a 2 tier barfine system. ST 700, LT 1000.
And thanks to Syz and some others about the bad mamasan. I have avoided her most of my visits to billboard but true to form the 1 time I didn't she was a pain in the ass.
Okay My earliest visit to BBunnies saw almost every topless girl having either silicone or bad sag, the next visit saw a lot of improvement in the line up. So my point is, without trying again, I can't know if has improved a lot further for my taste or not. So I will take a new look another day.
Clearly everyone has different taste and many are liking the surgeries girls. Billboard had a lot of no surgeries girls and many tall slim model types, where Butterflies was a bit behind in this category although still plenty of non surgery girls. I rate Billboard line up significantly higher, for my taste on this Tuesday. Not many tall slim models are in the bath area. LOL Bath girls are usually the short girls, but mostly natural tits, which is good, but not so perfect body shapes, appealed to me less. Billboard had far higher rate of customers compared to Butterflies. Twisters had a pretty fair set of customers, however the models were not as good (except for 1 or 2).
The key point is whether you can find the right pretty girls with the attitude you are looking for. For looks only, I am now rating some bars as quite superior to Cowboy bars. I only ever BFed one girl from Billboard (with repeats) before and she was perfect GFE. She found a sponsor very quickly I would bet. Just so sweet and lovely. So it is about choosing well or getting lucky.
On Billboard stage, some are Coyotes and probably have a steeper BF, I forgot to check. Not clear if all are available for sex. Safer to choose the G-string girls (maybe) although my previous girl from Billboard did not wear a G-string (something bigger).
I have not been into a bar like Rainbow 3 for many years. It was once an extremely high pressure hassle by staff place, where could not sit an relax. I wonder if it ever changed and became a better bar?
Generally you can find better looking girls in some bars.True. But what is approx cost of a takeout to Hotel room for 1 or 2 hours?
Thanks in advance.
The fat bad mamasan always has to come and annoy me for a moment, since she remembers me from her Crazy House and Mercury days (probably fired from both), however I never forget how she ripped me off 300 baht change from the BF once, by disappearing in the toilet at closing time. So if at Billboard, avoid the big fat mamasan. I think there is only one like this.The fat bad mamasan at Billboard also used to annoy me for tips at Crazy House and my reaction was usually to open my arms and pucker my lips to give her a big kiss in silly mock affection, which made her laugh and also eventually led to her leaving me alone about it. She once tried to steal my change the way she did with you, too. I sent my server into the crowd to find her and get my change and the server brought it back to me with an apology from the mamasan about having "forgotten" since they were so busy at the time. LOL.
But here's the problem; back when she was the mamasan at Crazy House, I barfined several girls from there with whom I had such good P4P experiences I repeated them often. Yes, some of those good CH girls left while she was still working there. But after that fat bad mamasan left or was fired from Crazy House, I have not barfined anyone from there worth a damn. The rate of good to bad P4P experiences with CH girls got so bad, I stopped and have not barfined a girl from there in a long time.
Before that fat bad mamasan showed up at Billboard, I couldn't score a decent P4P experience from any girls at Billboard if my life depended on it. And I had a long running goofy experiment with the situation, returning to Billboard every now and then (because other punters kept going on about how great the place and girls were), giving it a chance to redeem itself for me time and time again just to see how many lousy P4P experiences in a row I could rack up from the same highly praised go-go bar. I think I got up to 12 disappointing duds and rip offs in a row over the course of several months or a couple of years, and I'm not joking about that.
However, SINCE that fat bad mamasan started working in Billboard, my P4P "luck" with Billboard girls has improved remarkably. And I am not joking about that, either. I have now taken several girls from Billboard in a row who have not ripped me off or turned out to be duds at all. Every one of them, at least 8-9 over the past year or so, delivered the goods in my room exactly as they agreed to do so in the bar, which is a complete turnaround from my pre fat bad mamasan Billboard record of results.
So what is to be concluded about that? Maybe nothing. Or maybe everything. As annoying as she is with drinking customers, is she annoying in another way with the girls about making sure they are not in the business of ripping us off after we have have barfined them? It wouldn't take much effort to get a better result on that count compared with what most go-go bar mamasans probably do for their money. I mean, if that fat bad mamasan does nothing more than stroll through the gathering of girls right before opening, clap her hands and say something like, "Ok, ladies, remember a big part of your job here is to get barfined and make sure your customer is happy about that so he will return again ASAP", then that one annoying (to many girls) directive is probably a million times greater effort to positively influence what the girls do after scoring a barfine than what 99.9% of every other mamasan in the city does, even the slim nice ones.
There was some smell in the left staircase descending from Billboard today, but only slight. Not that noticeable compared to streets in Thailand.
I wonder if the "garbage" smell some have mentioned in the Nana Plaza area is related to the Tobacco Monopoly complex located at the far end of Soi 4. It has been there for years, isn't particularly active anymore but if the wind is blowing just right even I can smell the aroma of tobacco leaves emanating from it. It isn't the smell of burning tobacco as from a cigarette. I'm talking about the smell of tobacco leaves still being stored or otherwise dealt with down that soi. And I must say I have smelled more of that myself lately, not just on Soi 4 but other nearby sois as well, because the wind has been carrying it all the way up to Sukhumvit. If someone associates the smell of tobacco with the smell of "garbage", then that could likely be a factor.
Correction. That should have been Hillary 1 I believe, it was on the west side of Soi 4. Looks like a redevelopment area now.Yes, that area has been in redevelopment for a quite a while. Actually, I suspect the redevelopment concept and project had more to do with the closure of Annie's Massage than anything else. I once had a conversation with the owner of The Mexican restaurant next door to Annie's and mentioned that, looking down his way from Soi 4, his sign was overwhelmed by the Annie's sign. He replied with something like, "I know. But they will be closing and bringing down that sign pretty soon." That was probably about a year ago. So Annie's next door neighbor business was already aware that Annie's was going to close months and months ago, which argues against an unexpected sanitation issue, imo. I didn't ask more about that since I was never an Annie's customer, didn't care about it, and I must have automatically assumed he meant the closure was part of the redevelopment project and that, like other bars there, would reopen newly remodeled elsewhere on the lot.
Member #4698
03-30-18, 04:38
Hey EihTooms,
If you are talking about the same "Fat Mamasan" that I think you are talking about, then I think you made an excellent point. Yes, the fat CH mamasan was always looking for tips & drinks from me too and sometimes was she real slow in returning my change from a barfine. But, over time we developed an understanding which was: if I was there to barfine, I would buy her a drink (non-alcoholic, her choice) and tip her 100 baht (my choice) and if I was there simply to reconnoiter, then no drink & no tip.
So, we actually got along pretty good and I am do believe that our mutual cordiality & friendliness was noticed by all the girls on stage. It may have been just coincidence, or my savoir fare & good looks, or maybe just random luck, but in all the time I knew her I never had a bad barfine from CH and in fact enjoyed a series of great, repeat girls. CH was my favorite Go Go for a couple of years including last year even after Twister, my 2nd favorite bar opened up.
It will be interesting to see if I do as well in CH this next time around without her being around and equally interesting to see if she is the same "Fat Mamasan" I think we are talking about when I walk into Billboard. She always welcomed me back to BKK with open arms and I do mean open arms whenever I walked back into her Go Go and she always remembered who my favorite girls were and if they were not around any longer what type of girl I preferred. 555! Not a bad mamasan in my opinion.
But here's the problem; back when she was the mamasan at Crazy House, I barfined several girls from there with whom I had such good P4P experiences I repeated them often. Yes, some of those good CH girls left while she was still working there. But after that fat bad mamasan left or was fired from Crazy House, I have not barfined anyone from there worth a damn. The rate of good to bad P4P experiences with CH girls got so bad, I stopped and have not barfined a girl from there in a long time.
Before that fat bad mamasan showed up at Billboard, I couldn't score a decent P4P experience from any girls at Billboard if my life depended on it. And I had a long running goofy experiment with the situation, returning to Billboard every now and then (because other punters kept going on about how great the place and girls were), giving it a chance to redeem itself for me time and time again just to see how many lousy P4P experiences in a row I could rack up from the same highly praised go-go bar. I think I got up to 12 disappointing duds and rip offs in a row over the course of several months or a couple of years, and I'm not joking about that.
To Natty, yes it's the same mamasan, for sure. Often other staff in the bar dislike her too. Always pushy for drinks and tips, which is why I did my best to avoid her. Once you buy a mamasan a drink, she will start returning often like flies. She would also push the girls into asking for a drink for the mamasan.
Eih, I think you just mention a strange co-incidence in a way. It should be more a comment in the changes in the quality of the girls. I have only BFed one girl at BB, which had nothing whatsoever to do with the mamasan, and she was just great. I paid the BF to gay boy (mamasan), avoiding the fat one. Billboard line up has been improving. They don't lack really pretty girls any more. So it is not just good bodies.
Meanwhile the standard of girls at CH has declined over the years. I have had good and bad girls from there. I mostly just repeated my good girls. I don't see any correlation to the mamasan since I was not using her. I normally (not always) give my BF to the girl and she decides which mamasan to utilize. I have not tried a new girl at CH for at least 2 years, I guess (although I have bad memory for girls that were poor). I believe Jan (Jun) was last one I tried and she was fine, until eventually pissed me off at some later date. Before that I had a looker student Paeng (Donut) for a while till she disappeared (probably found a sponser). CH always had a mixture of good girls and crap girls. Perhaps more difficult to select girls if have the BBFS requirement. There are still 2 girls I can do there who were working there for years, on and off. New girls are risky. As always, if a new stunner showed up, I would try most likely. Just have not really been any lately when I was there. Definitely Billboard has much prettier girls right now, but we can't see the whole body. I just need more time to review the lookers and decide which one or two should be the most likely for GFE. I will have to show up earlier next time like 8. 30 PM, before gets too busy.
I have been barfining from Billboard last few years and 1 of my regulars is there. I have never heard of or seen any girl at billboard that wouldn't barfine. As my girl explained to me they do have "agency" girls, but their barfine is the same they have the triple digit numbers XXX. The girls that work for the bar just have double digit numbers XX. She was originally an agency girl and then their agent disappeared owing all her girls money and the billboard mgt offered to bring them on. That's the story at least she told me, didn't ask for extra money or anything and this was after I had seen her a bunch of times so no reason to disbelieve it.
The one thing they started in the last year was a 2 tier barfine system. ST 700, LT 1000.
And thanks to Syz and some others about the bad mamasan. I have avoided her most of my visits to billboard but true to form the 1 time I didn't she was a pain in the ass.Thanks for that info. It is relevant, since the 2 pretty girls that I liked who seemed to interact very well with customers were 900 and 918. They looked promising if I can get to them not busy.
Hey EihTooms,
If you are talking about the same "Fat Mamasan" that I think you are talking about, then I think you made an excellent point. Yes, the fat CH mamasan was always looking for tips & drinks from me too and sometimes was she real slow in returning my change from a barfine. But, over time we developed an understanding which was: if I was there to barfine, I would buy her a drink (non-alcoholic, her choice) and tip her 100 baht (my choice) and if I was there simply to reconnoiter, then no drink & no tip.
So, we actually got along pretty good and I am do believe that our mutual cordiality & friendliness was noticed by all the girls on stage. It may have been just coincidence, or my savoir fare & good looks, or maybe just random luck, but in all the time I knew her I never had a bad barfine from CH and in fact enjoyed a series of great, repeat girls. CH was my favorite Go Go for a couple of years including last year even after Twister, my 2nd favorite bar opened up.
It will be interesting to see if I do as well in CH this next time around without her being around and equally interesting to see if she is the same "Fat Mamasan" I think we are talking about when I walk into Billboard. She always welcomed me back to BKK with open arms and I do mean open arms whenever I walked back into her Go Go and she always remembered who my favorite girls were and if they were not around any longer what type of girl I preferred. 555! Not a bad mamasan in my opinion.Natty, the one I am talking about has shoulder length brown hair, still trying to look youngish I guess, and displays plenty of fat mamasan cleavage. Big, older looking face. She is not the somewhat "cute" demeanor fat mamasan that I sometimes see there. She generally has a grumpy look on her face but can break into a smile quickly like she doesn't really doesn't know she looks so grumpy.
When I first saw her working in Billboard, she recognized me from her Crazy House days, we nodded and smiled at each other but that was and has ever since been about the extent of our interaction in Billboard. Maybe a couple of times she stepped up to where I was sitting in the bleachers and gestured to the girls on stage in that "Which one do you want?" move, to which I have always given a slight head shake no, not now, and she moves on. But most customers get that move from her and other mamasans. So I don't think to whatever extent her presence in Billboard has contributed to my much improved P4 P results there can be attributed to my being seen by the girls as knowing her, demonstrably friendly to her, tipping her, buying her drinks or even noticing her at all. Unless she has spoken to the girls about me on the side without my knowing about it, pointing me out across the room or whatever. And I have no idea why she would make that extra effort for me. So I doubt that happened.
If her presence there has contributed to my much improved P4 P experiences in Billboard at all, I can only attribute that to perhaps her choice of girls with whom she "rewards" by being nicer to them (the ones who get many happy return and repeat customers after being barfined by them), her general view of how both she AND the girls can make a lot more money by being persistent, focused and more diligent about their job rather than lazily skating just to make enough to get by tonight and that she imparts that general view to the girls where other mamasans don't even bother.
I don't mean to overly praise her. Or to praise her at all. Maybe my recent P4 P results at Billboard would be even better if she weren't there. But it might also be that her greediness to move money and more money from the customer's pocket to her cleavage pocket carries over to her stated expected results with the girls; meaning to do in the room what they agreed to do in the bar, do it with the right attitude and they will make more money, too. No way for me to know, really. But I will say this. If she gets fired from Billboard, I will certainly want to know where she is working next because I WILL be paying a visit there after 2-3 weeks to see how those girls are behaving with me in the room, too.
Eih, I think you just mention a strange co-incidence in a way. It should be more a comment in the changes in the quality of the girls. I have only BFed one girl at BB, which had nothing whatsoever to do with the mamasan, and she was just great. I paid the BF to gay boy (mamasan), avoiding the fat one.
Yes, Syz, as you can see now in my reply to Natty that I was composing while you posted this, my much improved P4P experiences in Billboard since the fat bad mamasan started working there has nothing whatsoever to do with me interacting with her, appearing to know her, being friendly with her, buying her drinks, tipping her in front of the girls or anything like that. I don't think I have even paid the barfine to that mamasan since she started working there. But it still could have something to do with that mamasan's particular style in handling her girls at her bar. After all, SHE wants customers to return to that bar happy as clams about barfining another girl or repeating with one and possibly slipping a tip into her cleavage pocket along the way as well.
Forpiyshjain
03-30-18, 05:56
Thanks for the help. So Billboard and Crazy HOuse is what I will keep in mind for the night.
Any specifics for.
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.
Billboard and Crazy House and a few others are good for getting a girl to gyrate sitting on your lap (in Crazy that is completely nude), however post 2 am is too late. Most bars are closing at 2 am, and some days when police around closing at 1 am.
9 pm is the perfect time to attend. You will have to buy drinks for the girl.
If you don't want sex, the best thing to do at 2am is go to sleep, or call an all night massage place to send a girl to you, but that will cost you the same as taking sex most likely (I never tried so I don't know if any sexy girls want to do late massage for cheap price - doubtful).
Yes, Syz, as you can see now in my reply to Natty that I was composing while you posted this, my much improved P4P experiences in Billboard since the fat bad mamasan started working there has nothing whatsoever to do with me interacting with her, appearing to know her, being friendly with her, buying her drinks, tipping her in front of the girls or anything like that. I don't think I have even paid the barfine to that mamasan since she started working there. But it still could have something to do with that mamasan's particular style in handling her girls at her bar. After all, SHE wants customers to return to that bar happy as clams about barfining another girl or repeating with one and possibly slipping a tip into her cleavage pocket along the way as well.I am sure girls are scared of her. Is that a good thing? Maybe. I can see she might be very strict. I just personally do not wish to deal with her at all. I prefer a nice mamasan. A one time a waitress at Doll House was promoted to be the new mamasan. She was just lovely (personality not beauty). She replaced an irritating "suck" mamasan. Was that good for discipline in the bar? Maybe not.
Would be nice to have a mamasan not too pushy with the customers but managing the girls well (moderately strictly). LOL I do like that girls at Billboard seem to be trained to be not pushy with the customer, even if the mamasan is. Girls did not seem to approach me much in Billboard, except one occasion a very drunk one was pushy, despite my total lack of interest. Can get pushy girls at any bar, but Bunnies seemed to have quite a lot approaching while not called for. I try to be an expert at being total dead pan and disinterested when any girl tries to attract my attention, especially refusing to make eye contact tends to give them the message of total disinterest very quickly. This means I have to be impolite and unfriendly to avoid unwanted girls.
Many times I have witnessed guys unable to get rid of girls that approach, simply because they are too weak, too polite, and unable to turn on the "fuck off" switch. I don't mean we need to actually say "fuck off". My manner speaks louder than words. This is what I refer to as letting the girl choose the guy. May get a good one or may get a rip off girl. I always get mystified by a guy complaining that no girls approached him. LOL I love that when no one approaches (unless definitely called for). I can give a girl a signal very easily if I want her to approach, or even go to her if she is too shy to look around and notice me. Can't be too timid, but I take time to decide if I like the girl or not, and she is the preferred girl. I don't want even the superior ones to come at me too fast. Last night I chatted to two girls at Billboard, concurrently. In both cases gave them the signal of interest. I have to be very guarded though, not to show any interest too prematurely, when there are so many good looking candidates.
I have to appreciate other guys are different and any good looking girl will do, where I am more like trying to rate the girls beauty and chances to be really fun and sweet. Which girl will get the top rating for the bar or be runner up. I want to get the best I can get, compromise of beauty and attitude, and go to heaven. There is the big fear on choosing wrong and missing out on the best girl, or one of the best. 52 was really stunning for me, yet after talking to her, she came across as hyper and inattentive rather than sweet and lovey dovey, so I thought definitely a risky choice. She knew she was hot at one time saying her name was "Barbie" (her body was Barbie like even if only A-cups). Clearly was not going to get a tongue kiss out of her in the bar. LOL Meanwhile I could see 918 nearby reacting much better with her customer, very attentively. She was also very pretty for me in a less exotic way, possibly slightly bigger boobs on model body. These are the difficulties of choosing. Things may have been very different if called 918 earlier when she was available (initially she seemed a bit deadpan on the stage but this is not a bad sign when girls are a bit bored).
I am sure girls are scared of her. Is that a good thing? Maybe. I can see she might be very strict. I just personally do not wish to deal with her at all. I prefer a nice mamasan. A one time a waitress at Doll House was promoted to be the new mamasan. She was just lovely (personality not beauty). She replaced an irritating "suck" mamasan. Was that good for discipline in the bar? Maybe not.I believe the difference in how girls generally treat their customers re barfines and P4 P, well perhaps everything, has very much to do with what the mamasan or whoever is the voice of authority in the place actually TELLS them it is their job to do. I know that sounds simplistic. And I realize this is Thailand and not the Philippines. But let me relate a story about what I learned in Angeles City, the Philippines a couple of decades ago. And, yes, that was some time ago. But there and here are at least both Asian P4 P bar destinations and some things are still baked in the culture even after a few years.
There was a time when a big transition was happening in the Angeles City go-go bar venues. Many farang bar owners decided they would start moving away from a barfine-centric business model to a Lady Drink sales business model. They actually didn't want their girls to go on barfines, wanted them to stay in the bar and continue hustling Lady Drinks all night. And the girls could make an ok income from all those Lady Drink commissions. This idea was and still is wherever it is tried very bad for punters looking to get well laid and blown, of course.
However, SOME of the farang owned bars still had girls who didn't seem to give a damn about earning commissions on Lady Drinks and seemed perfectly happy being taken out by the customers for those famous "all-inclusive" Angeles City LTs where you pay everything upfront and off you go with your girl (not a big fan of that pay-upfront deal either, BTW. But I digress). Well, I had gotten to know some of the farang bar owners and their farang bar managers pretty well in Angeles City during that time and I had to ask, "Why are your girls still interested in barfine take-outs and almost never disappoint while girls in other bars are more interested in hustling Lady Drinks and not going on a take-out?" I also asked the same question but in reverse of the farang bar owners and farang bar managers of the bars where the girls were stuck on hustling Lady Drinks but not on going to the room with the customers and not likely to give very good service even if they did.
Had they been very selective about which kinds of girls were recruited for their bars?
Had they just happened to get a string of very bold and horny girls working in some bars but too shy girls working in others?
Were they paying less of a Lady Drink commission and allowing the girl to keep some of the barfine paid to the bar in some bars but vice versa in others?
What was the answer to this mystery?
Here was the answer; Each bar owner told the mamasan which way they wanted their girls to go, the mamasan told the girls what their job was in this particular bar and, by god, that is what they did. Just as simple as that. The girls who were told their job at this establishment was to sell Lady Drinks and not be too interested in going barfine, DID THAT. The girls who were told their job at this establishment was to do right by men who want to take them to the room and not to be so concerned about selling Lady Drinks, DID THAT.
So that is why I said in an earlier post that it probably wouldn't require much effort for a Thai mamasan to totally change the direction many if not most of the girls go in a bar IF she just gave a damn and told them what she expected of them at the get-go. The girls will see that as THEIR JOB and try to comply. I don't think a mamasan has to be really mean about it. Just, for the love of god, SAY SOMETHING in this regard to their girls and most will probably be inclined to honor that request. Maybe that is what the greedy, fat mamasan in Billboard does in the bars she works in. And maybe she takes it a little too far sometimes and gets so pushy about it the girls flee and then she gets canned. But in the meantime, there might be a period of time where things are in a somewhat proper balance and the girls will at least be vaguely INCLINED to see their job as following the directive of the mamasan.
That is, IF the mamasan has bothered to express a directive to her girls at all, especially regading P4P and barfines, other than don't come in late, don't chat on your phone so much, don't sit outside eating noodles too long, etc. I am almost positive most Thai mamasans don't say ANYTHING to their girls about what their job is with regard to the P4 P part of it. Not seriously tell them, I mean. There is no guidance from a voice of authority for it. So it is left up to each girl to decide where the fast buck and escape route is right this minute each time.
I believe the difference in how girls generally treat their customers re barfines and P4 P, well perhaps everything, has very much to do with what the mamasan or whoever is the voice of authority in the place actually TELLS them it is their job to do. This is absolutely accurate. The mamasans teach these girls how to behave. The places with the good mamasans have the girls who provide the best service. I spend most of my time in Jakarta and the mamasans at places like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel are absolute crap. But there are places where the mamasans teach the girls properly and the girls give good service. Those are the places I go.
As an extreme, look at Eden Club. Those girls are well trained and provide great service. Places like Baccara are just the opposite. Poor service for the most part.
You did not mention if she takes it BB up the ass. That would definitely decide it. LOL.You will have to give her a try to find out the answer to that one. (I know you want to.).
This is absolutely accurate. The mamasans teach these girls how to behave. The places with the good mamasans have the girls who provide the best service. I spend most of my time in Jakarta and the mamasans at places like Hotel Classic and Hotel Travel are absolute crap. But there are places where the mamasans teach the girls properly and the girls give good service. Those are the places I go.
As an extreme, look at Eden Club. Those girls are well trained and provide great service. Places like Baccara are just the opposite. Poor service for the most part.With the growth of agency gals the mamasan's role has diminished considerably. Agency gals can switch bars every 10 days if they want to. They are far more accountable to their "agent" then they are to the bar. If they don't like a situation; they move on. Yes, the mamasan does set a certain tone, but she does not carry the same weight that she used to before the agencies.
Member #4698
03-30-18, 11:44
To Natty, yes it's the same mamasan, for sure. Often other staff in the bar dislike her too. Always pushy for drinks and tips, which is why I did my best to avoid her. Once you buy a mamasan a drink, she will start returning often like flies. She would also push the girls into asking for a drink for the mamasan.
Syzygies, for whatever it is worth, the fat CH Mamasan's name is Tang and despite her proclivity to ask for drinks & tips, I have a pretty good relationship with her. On the other hand, CH used to have another mamasan; a thin, nasty, old mamasan that I absolutely hated and avoided doing business with at all costs. I even wrote up a report on her back in 2015:
"That old, scraggy hag in Crazy House ruined it for me one night. There I was chatting and getting acquainted with a very attractive young girl in CH. Now let it be said that I am a regular paying customer who has barfined many girls out of CH and this thin, scraggy, old Mamasan knew it. She knew me! So, I am with a girl and we are getting acquainted. Everything is going alone fine. I had bought us a round of drinks. She was sitting on my lap massaging my dick with her ass and my hands were wrapped underneath her bath robe around her beautiful round natural breasts. Then this scraggy Mamasan comes by and abruptly asked if I was going to barfine the girl. I said something like, "I am thinking about it, but I want to take my time. Leave us alone so I can talk to her (the girl)." But then scraggy mamasan suddenly shouted out a sharp command and the girl obediently got up and walked away without even a look back at me. I was astonished and at a loss at first. Then as it sunk in what had just happened, I WAS REAL PISSED OFF! So I stood up and said "What the Fuck" a couple of times real loud so the mamasan could hear me, but I then kept my cool after that. I could see the girl was now sitting quietly alone by herself over in the corner with a bewildered look on her face. She was too embarrassed to look my way for more than a second or two. I asked for my tab, paid it and stormed out and walked over to Baccara. What BS!
And I did not go back to CH for over a week. I only went back because my favorite regular girl there had Lined me asking me where I was and that she missed me. I was beginning to miss her too, so I went back that night to hook up with Apple. I saw the young cutie I had been romancing the week before and gave her a forlorn "What Happened" look. She acknowledged it plaintively. She was dancing topless on stage and I reconfirmed to myself that She was indeed HOT! Oh well. I never got around to talking to her again this trip because Apple took up most of my CH time. Apple is a great gal and she loves to party. The nasty skinny, old mamasan saw me playing around with Apple on several of these subsequent occasions, drinking Tequila shots, licking lime off Apple's nipples, etc. and barfining her. I always gave that mamasan a cold look and she knew to keep her distance. She will never get any drink tips from me. LOL. But at the same time, I am not going to go to war with her either because I do like the CH girls and plan to go back. So despite this one bad night, I still think CH is a very good Go Go. My advice here is to have as little as possible to do with that scraggy, old mamasan. She is a bad one."
Needless to say, I was not sad when I heard that the scraggy, old mamasan had left CH the following year. Good riddance. But cock blocked in my favorite bar! It's unbelievable!
Was in Billboard yesterday and the line up was fairly decent. It has been a while since I came here but from comparison to my last trip there seem to be a drop in the customers at Nana. Is that so or was I there too early 9-11 pm. I did not take anyone from there and just got around my business drinking but did not get pushed to take one. Some girls came over asking to be seated by I simply said nah and they moved on. What confused me is whether you can ask for a lady that you like to be brought to you since the waiters did not push or ask me to do so?
I will be going there sometime this week as I particularly fancied number 854. Was trying to search for 836 as reported here earlier but could not find her. Does she partake in the tub area? I failed to go to this section of the bar.
Was in Billboard yesterday and the line up was fairly decent. It has been a while since I came here but from comparison to my last trip there seem to be a drop in the customers at Nana. Is that so or was I there too early 9-11 pm. I did not take anyone from there and just got around my business drinking but did not get pushed to take one. Some girls came over asking to be seated by I simply said nah and they moved on. What confused me is whether you can ask for a lady that you like to be brought to you since the waiters did not push or ask me to do so?
I will be going there sometime this week as I particularly.
Fancied number 854. Was trying to search for 836 as reported here earlier but could not find her. Does she partake in the tub area? I failed to go to this section of the bar.
Banana Boi
03-30-18, 13:21
Was trying to search for 836 as reported here earlier but could not find her. Does she partake in the tub area? I failed to go to this section of the bar.Look on the board that most clubs have indicating which girls are still in the bar. Failing that, just ask the mamasan.
Was in Billboard yesterday and the line up was fairly decent. It has been a while since I came here but from comparison to my last trip there seem to be a drop in the customers at Nana. Is that so or was I there too early 9-11 pm.I don't know from actual data whether the number of customers in Nana Plaza are down. But I have definitely noticed that many tourists who approached the entrance of Nana Plaza while that canopy construction was going on and the barriers (fencing) around the cleared out central outdoor bar area below the canopy construction were in place just looked inside from the sidewalk on Soi 4 and turned around and moved on without entering. So that must have been dragging the numbers of patrons in the go-go bars down for the past few weeks.
BTW, I noticed that tonight, Friday night, the barriers (fencing) were down and that central outdoor bar area below the new canopy was open and could be walked across now for the first time in weeks, although not yet reopened fully for business with the bar, tables and stools returned.
Syzygies, for whatever it is worth, the fat CH Mamasan's name is TangWang Dang Sweet Poon Tang.
Long time lurker, with about 15 trips to Thailand over the past 20 years. Believe it or not, my first intro into the scene was by Stickman and the old Nanaplaza Board. Reading all the newbie mongering questions makes me feel old, as do memories of 40 baht to the buck.
Age is catching up to me so my mongering ideas have evolved. I haven't been to a go go other than Crazy House in 5 years and I can't remember the last bar fine I have paid LOL. My last trip in 2016 (4 months) I either had a TF real GF, or BJ bars or other disco freelancer. I have always had good luck at Thermae. If I may say so, I have had some pretty hot babes too. I'm a photographer, and I look respectable so even with my advanced years I can grab 22 year old shopgirls.
But regardless, I get plenty of pussy and know my way around the scene. But my questions are for you expats on the ground. As I am getting ready for a 6 to 9 moth stay starting in October.
1. My last trip (4 months) I stayed in a decent place (15 k) near Ekkami BTS. It was nice because it was far enough away from Falangville but still allowed me access to the whole city. I didn't like the pool setup though, and pools are important to my mongering style. I have been looking at places near Victory Mon and near Lumpini. I'd like to be a Klick or less from BTS / MRT. Thoughts as to neighborhood? I am mostly a day guy. So a taxi ever few days at night won't kill me, and I won't go to RCA unless I have a pu ying to beat on those rip off taxi drivers who try to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) ya for 3 x the fare.
2. I like spas. I want to soak, get scrubbed down and massaged and then get a BJ. Or vice versa. I have had great spa services in this place about 200 m on the right on Sois Thong Lor (from Suk) but no sex. Then I used to hit this one place on Soi 36 for a shitty massage and bath but good sex. Right now the bath part is a priotiy.
3. I liked Crazy House simply because it seemed, back then, that it was less touristy. I can't stand Nana Plaza any more and only venture down there to people watch or vermin view. Is Crazy House still cool just to hang and have a beer or two? I don't buy lady drinks as a rule unless I am buying pussy and I usually don't do that at GoGos.
4. Last night last trip I was blasted drunk and ended up with take out from a Thai Club in Thon Buri thanks to an English speaking taxi driver who I'm sure got a fat tip.
Don't remember anything g other that cheap and hot. Anybody here know places like that!
Look forward to the reports and hope to meet some of you guys in the coming months.
Just got back from Nana and it's 2 am now. Headed there around 10:30 and straight to Billboard which was overflowing with customers. Sat there a while and realised all the hotties were taken. Then headed to Twisters. Realised it does not have many stunners but decent line up. As I was getting ready to leave 406 came over. She looked decent and as I was in need to relieve myself I told her to stay. Suddenly she invited her friend over and begged me for lady drinks. I just went with the flow and said ok. Soon enough I see the old hack tequila and coke so that makes 4 drinks. Was kind of pissed but she was grinding on me and I was hard so didn't complain. Once the drinks finished she asked for round 2 drinks. I said for you fine for 1 drink but not for your friend. She said something to her friend who then left. When the drinks arrived it was the same again tequila and coke. Pissed off but I thought I would take it out while banging her. Then another scam. Quoted 3000 for ST and 1000 barfine. I laughed and said are you kidding me but she did not budge. It was past 12 so I said what the heck and took her. I know sorry guys. Banged her but sadly did not last long as the 003 condoms proved too tight and I came within a minute. Now I was super pissed with my self mostly. Well the good things is now I know not to visit twisters and should just stick to billboard in Nana.
TrueBlue666
04-01-18, 06:59
3. I liked Crazy House simply because it seemed, back then, that it was less touristy. I can't stand Nana Plaza any more and only venture down there to people watch or vermin view. Is Crazy House still cool just to hang and have a beer or two? I don't buy lady drinks as a rule unless I am buying pussy and I usually don't do that at GoGos.I'm not 100% on what Crazy House was from when you're remembering it, but the last few times I was there this year (always on the weekend), it was always packed to the gills, at least on the first floor. I can't say I'd ever treat crazy house as a place to hang, I'd almost take the 2nd floor of Bacarra (in the back, if you're familiar) before CH, but that's probably just because I'm familiar with the staff. I really don't know what you mean by Touristy, the place is always packed with pale foreigners like yours truly and Asians, who tend to be tourists. Still has a bunch of lookers, though; I've never been disappointed with CH from that angle. Nana isn't really that bad, either. Depending on the night and what time of night you're there, (it really seems completely random at this point) Billboard has just as many lookers as CH, and I enjoy people watching on the elevated benches, particularly the second level near the bar, since it has a perfect view of both the carousel and the. What is it, a jacuzzi, just a hot tub? I don't know what the word for it is.
Same on the mostly lurking thing. I'm about to have my. What. Twelfth trip over in a couple weeks, but I always forget to bloody post here. LOL.
To piggyback on the recent convo between Syzygies and EihTooms about Billboard and Butterflies, I was in Bangkok for a night about 3 weeks ago and had the pleasure of visiting the two. I enjoyed them both and ended up barfining two from Butterflies.
After having spent 5 nights in Pattaya, and then a break in Singapore to wind down, I was in Bangkok for a night before my flight home the next day. Wanting to get in one more hoorah for the road I checked out Nana Plaza a little after 9 pm since it was close to my hotel and I had only been there once in my last 3 visits to Bangkok. I poked my head into a few bars on floors one and two but didn't find anything to get my attention among the bars I looked into. I do remember going into Spanky's, and although it looked promising I didn't stay and decided to try some other places. As to why I left so soon, I can't tell you why. I went into Billboard and the place was packed! I was actually impressed the waitress found an empty seat for me in front of the tub. I quickly realized that sitting in front of the tub was limiting my ability to see many of the girls as the same ones stayed in the tub of which I didn't care for any. Also, from my vantage point it was difficult to see the numbers of the girls on the stage in front of the tub or on the other stage over to my right. Still, from what I could see there were some attractive girls in there, and as mentioned, just about all seemed natural which was a huge plus. After about 30 minutes and a couple drinks I figured I would go checkout some other bars and come back to Billboard later if no other bars appealed to me. Overall, I liked Billboard and definitely will repeat visiting; I will just make sure I get seated in a different spot that's more advantageous to me next time.
Next, I walked over to Butterflies and went inside. I just got this good vibe when I went in there, from the girls standing outside to lure me in, to the waitress that seated me. It wasn't so crowded and although the lineup was not like in Billboard it still was good enough to make me want to stay. The waitress seated me on one of the sofas in front of the stage which was a huge plus and it gave me a good view of the action. After about 10 minutes of checking out the ladies, this cute girl ends up on the stage in front of me and has some nice, juicy C cups, a nice ass, and just a body I am digging. I like how she's dancing to the music and it gives me a good feeling about how she might fuck. She sees I am checking her out and starts making even more sexy moves. Apparently the waitress was noticing too as she handed me a menu that explains the lady drink structure. There's a lady drink option where you can have the girl come down from the stage immediately and stay with you until her next time on stage or an option where you have her come over when she comes off stage and stay until it's her time to go back up. I choose the option to have her come to me immediately. I tell her bring me another Red Bull and number 19. Her name is Ploy and she has a really cool attitude in addition to a nice body. She comes over, sits on my lap, and I tell her to order what she wants. She ended up asking for two lady drinks and I tell her to go for it. Next thing she's grinding on me and I have my hands full of her ass, tits, and occasionally giving a rub on her pussy. Oh Yeah, this one is going to be my last hoorah before I have to leave Bangkok tomorrow.
So, here is where it gets interesting. I am sitting there rock hard feeling up Ploy while she's grinding on me and next thing I realize someone has their hands up my shorts and is stroking my dick! Ploy is more to my right side but the hands on my dick are coming from the left side, WTF! I turn to the left and there are two more girls that have come over, one is now sitting on my left side and the other is right in front of her. I am thinking how in the world did I not notice this? I must really be slipping. For a very brief moment I think I need to tell her to get up but then after looking at her, she has the looks and body like a chick I once worked with that I would have loved to have fucked. She can stay. Turns out she's number 205 and her name is Mod. Now I am thinking it's my last night in Bangkok for a while so I may as well Go Big because I am going home tomorrow. I let the waitress know that I am going to make sure number 19 and number 205 are not going back up on stage so get them whatever they want. After about a good 15 - 20 more minutes of feeling all over both Mod and Ploy and buying drinks for the three of us, along with letting who I suspect was the mamasan along with some other girls from whence I don't know where they came, know that I was only buying drinks for Mod and Ploy I decided it was time make some moves. The barfine was 700 for each of them and they both wanted 3000ST. Sold, bring me the tab so I can pay up and let's roll. Total damage to the bar including the barfine for the two of them ended up being a little over 2700 baht. Not bad, as I was expecting it to be more. They go change into their street clothes and we head out to go get something to eat before heading to the room. We ended up eating at nice little restaurant that I will have to visit on my next trip, if not because the food was good but so I can also hit on the server there because I would love to fuck her too. I was giving her the eye, flirting with her, and she wasn't shying away so she might be game. Only in Thailand, you have two girls with you already and can flirt with a third.
If I were going to leave Thailand on a high note, Mod and Ploy made that happen. Once we got back to my hotel room it was on. I don't think I could have asked to have two more lively and fun girls than the two of them. There was plenty of DFK with both of them and I really like how playful the two of them were while all three of us were together, from the bar to the restaurant to the hotel room to when I was fucking them and all the times in between. Neither one disappointed at all and was ready and willing for everything I wanted to do. Both of those girls could fuck well and had good BBBJ skills. I went through half a dozen condoms switching between fucking the two of them. With both of them there was plenty of mish, spread eagle, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggie, spooning, anvil, putting the pillow under their hips while having them lay face down on the bed, and what I liked a lot which was switching up DFKing one while fucking the other. I never thought a dilemma I would ever have would turn out to be which girl I want to blow my load in but it's a good dilemma to have. Ploy ended up winning out. The two of them made for a great way to end a trip to Thailand.
I still want to get some girls out of Billboard as I just got a good feeling about that place too. I'll get them on the next go around.
Just got back from Nana and it's 2 am now. Now I was super pissed with my self mostly. Well the good things is now I know not to visit twisters and should just stick to billboard in Nana.You went through a series of scams fully aware they were scams. So not much reason to be pissed, even with yourself.
I would have left at the first "double single LD".
We wonder how girls make their quota. Now we know how.
Your money of course.
I am sure you have not been inflating the ST prices, anyhow, as everynight there is people paying those prices.
The norm for those girls. If somebody steps back, surely another guy is lined up already.
I am sure you have not been inflating the ST prices, anyhow, as everynight there is people paying those prices.
The norm for those girls. If somebody steps back, surely another guy is lined up already.3000 baht short time is the "norm"? I don't think I have ever paid 3000 baht for a short time. 2000 or 2500 is the norm.
Carpaccio18
04-01-18, 23:37
Saturday night was very busy at Baccara and noticed that they too have started members only BS. Not sure it is only on weekends or not. Can someone please confirm and also let me know if this is same in Baccara at Pattaya?
They were also guiding everyone to buy drinks before going in.Baccara seems pretty pointless if you're not japanese. Girls will hardly take a second look at you, as they can make big buck with japanese guys in really short time, as long as they have the manga-look and can cry a bit during sex.
I don't know if this topic has been addressed on this thread but do any of the Bars or Gogo's such as Crazy House and Baccara allow customers to bring in their own bottle of liquor and charge a corkage fee for the privilege? I'm asking because I'll be in Bangkok and Pattaya in a few weeks and I am planning on bringing with me a 1.75 L bottle of Patron Tequila which I'm sure they don't sell in Thailand and if they do, it would surely cost an arm and a leg. Every year I bring the same size bottle of Patron with me whenever I go to Angeles City in the Philippines. The bars there charge me a reasonable P500 ($10) corkage fee which includes 4 small cans of mixers. I always opt for 2 cans each of Pineapple and Mango juice.
Can anyone address my inquiry as to whether or not the bars and Gogo's allow customers to bring in outside bottle and charge a corkage fee? And if they do allow, how much is the corkage fee?
Thanks in advance.
3000 baht short time is the "norm"? I don't think I have ever paid 3000 baht for a short time. 2000 or 2500 is the norm.I meant In their mind when approaching a farang at the bar.
Over 80%of customers are surly happy to pay the requested money, especially if listed in a laminated menu, making it official (it doesn't mean it is).
Don't count the "regular ISG momgers as customer base".
We are a tiny minority.
YetAnotherGuy
04-02-18, 08:27
Then headed to Twisters. Realised it does not have many stunners but decent line up. In my experience, it's best to get to Twisters early, as the best girls can go quickly. Check it out from 8:30 - 9:30.
To piggyback on the recent convo between Syzygies and EihTooms about Billboard and Butterflies, I was in Bangkok for a night about 3 weeks ago and had the pleasure of visiting the two. I enjoyed them both and ended up barfining two from Butterflies.Strong post. Kudos.
Flew into Bangkok from phuket yesterday, skipped phuket early, didn't care for the scene. Sent a chat to a gogo girl from last year and she met me for dinner with some friends. The timing worked out great, she quit working in the gogo to go home but was still in town. No barfine needed. Took her out drinking with us then back to the room for six rounds. It's been almost 23 hours and she's still naked in my bed, no money discussed. Might keep her another night, hope I don't end up breaking her.
Baccara seems pretty pointless if you're not japanese. Girls will hardly take a second look at you, as they can make big buck with japanese guys in really short time, as long as they have the manga-look and can cry a bit during sex.I've recommended this before and people thought I was joking. But these work like a charm.
Flew into Bangkok from phuket yesterday, skipped phuket early, didn't care for the scene. Sent a chat to a gogo girl from last year and she met me for dinner with some friends. The timing worked out great, she quit working in the gogo to go home but was still in town. No barfine needed. Took her out drinking with us then back to the room for six rounds. It's been almost 23 hours and she's still naked in my bed, no money discussed. Might keep her another night, hope I don't end up breaking her.Make that seven shots and 24 hours.
Forpiyshjain
04-02-18, 11:37
Make that seven shots and 24 hours.Any specific places to experience below?
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage. (Budget).
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage. (budget).
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I am not looking for sex but to experience few specific fantasies and don't wish to over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.
It would be great if the senior members can help with guidance.
I will have 24 hrs in Bangkok and don't think I will ever be able to travel again.
Thanks again for the help. Hope I get a quick reply.
Arn Poddict
04-02-18, 13:51
3000 baht short time is the "norm"? I don't think I have ever paid 3000 baht for a short time. 2000 or 2500 is the norm.Quite hard to get ST below 3000 nowadays unless you are weekly or monthly regular. Or Enrique Iglesias.
Arn Poddict
04-02-18, 14:05
Baccara seems pretty pointless if you're not japanese. Girls will hardly take a second look at you, as they can make big buck with japanese guys in really short time, as long as they have the manga-look and can cry a bit during sex.Baccara is a gold mine if you are Japanese (or Asian). I was there a few weeks ago. They have a good selection of pretty girls and some naturally big breasted babes as well. Japanese guys are known to be big milk connoisseurs and the girls know it. These guys put their heads on the big soft pillows and smile. Paying generously.
For western guys, like me, it's better to stick to other bars where you get nicer service. You can't have everything, even in Bangkok.
Forpiyshjain
04-02-18, 14:16
Make that seven shots and 24 hours.I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.
Any help will be appreciated.
As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.
I've recommended this before and people thought I was joking. But these work like a charm.I generally refrain from posting unless I have something worthwhile to contribute or have some genuine query that has not been asked / answered before. But, this deserves unmitigated appreciation for being a very 'unique' idea. Kudos to you sir for putting it out there.
Banana Boi
04-02-18, 20:18
Can anyone address my inquiry as to whether or not the bars and Gogo's allow customers to bring in outside bottle and charge a corkage fee? And if they do allow, how much is the corkage fee? I'm obviously guessing but there is no chance a pattaya gogo bar will allow this unless you continue paying full price for every shot you and your girls drink. Assuming same applies to Bangkok gogo bars.
Most gogo bars give very weak 'tequila'. I've seen a few girls drink over 30 in a night. The record for one gogo girl I have seen is over 60 shots.
Carpaccio18
04-02-18, 21:42
I've recommended this before and people thought I was joking. But these work like a charm.Haha, that's the ultimate Baccara fun kit.
Carpaccio18
04-02-18, 21:51
Baccara is a gold mine if you are Japanese (or Asian). I was there a few weeks ago. They have a good selection of pretty girls and some naturally big breasted babes as well. Japanese guys are known to be big milk connoisseurs and the girls know it. These guys put their heads on the big soft pillows and smile. Paying generously.
For western guys, like me, it's better to stick to other bars where you get nicer service. You can't have everything, even in Bangkok.Yeah, couldn't agree more. Had an interesting conversation with a girl at CH. She was pretty good looking, nice firm body and all. But she told me somehow Japanese customers just wasn't into her. She wasn't particularly into them either, but her friends kept getting pretty generous tips from their Japanese customer.
In any case I've spent like most of an evening in Baccara getting completely ignored. Oddly, my friend who look (and dress like) a 6 1/2 foot lumberjack couldn't have a single moment to himself. They were literally crawling on him. He is as far from an Asian as you can possibly be. Strange.
I would like to indulge in some BBFS as I can feel almost nothing with a condom. What section of girls are more likely to accept this? GoGo girls, Bar girls or freelancers? Is it rare for this to be accepted or quite common if you ask? Any feedback would be gratefully appreciated.I hope you think this through and though I feel your pain, do not venture into this blindly.
I was looking forward to seeing a freelancer I had met on Tinder. Spent time with her previously. Was looking to spend time with her again.
Had myself tested at hospital. Gave her a test in my room with Oraquik. Came back clearly double lined. I had a serious WTF moment.
Had her retake the test. I also took one myself (really more for her sake than mine, hoping against reality that this batch was somehow defective).
20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.
I feel awful. One in a selfish sense because the woman is simply fantastic in bed. But I feel far more badly for her. I told her she needs to go see a doctor tomorrow and get herself tested.
I didn't have sex with her, but paid her fully what I would have and gave her a little extra to go see the doctor tomorrow.
The harsh reality of places like Bangkok (and Pattaya etc) is that the pros, especially the older ones, have seen miles and mile of dick and even though odds of individual transmission for a woman is 1 in 2000 and for a man 1 in 4000... it's either super bad luck and just too many miles of dick (or both)
UShobbyist
04-03-18, 01:24
I don't know if this topic has been addressed on this thread but do any of the Bars or Gogo's such as Crazy House and Baccara allow customers to bring in their own bottle of liquor and charge a corkage fee for the privilege? I'm asking because I'll be in Bangkok and Pattaya in a few weeks and I am planning on bringing with me a 1.75 L bottle of Patron Tequila which I'm sure they don't sell in Thailand and if they do, it would surely cost an arm and a leg. Every year I bring the same size bottle of Patron with me whenever I go to Angeles City in the Philippines. The bars there charge me a reasonable P500 ($10) corkage fee which includes 4 small cans of mixers. I always opt for 2 cans each of Pineapple and Mango juice.
Can anyone address my inquiry as to whether or not the bars and Gogo's allow customers to bring in outside bottle and charge a corkage fee? And if they do allow, how much is the corkage fee?
Thanks in advance.I don't think that you can bring your own drink in Crazy House or Baccara. You might try other gogo bars though.
I hope you think this through and though I feel your pain, do not venture into this blindly.
I was looking forward to seeing a freelancer I had met on Tinder. Spent time with her previously. Was looking to spend time with her again.
Had myself tested at hospital. Gave her a test in my room with Oraquik. Came back clearly double lined. I had a serious WTF moment.
Had her retake the test. I also took one myself (really more for her sake than mine, hoping against reality that this batch was somehow defective).
20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.
I feel awful. One in a selfish sense because the woman is simply fantastic in bed. But I feel far more badly for her. I told her she needs to go see a doctor tomorrow and get herself tested.
I didn't have sex with her, but paid her fully what I would have and gave her a little extra to go see the doctor tomorrow.
The harsh reality of places like Bangkok (and Pattaya etc) is that the pros, especially the older ones, have seen miles and mile of dick and even though odds of individual transmission for a woman is 1 in 2000 and for a man 1 in 4000... it's either super bad luck and just too many miles of dick (or both)Don't 3 of those tests cost about $100 usd?
20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.The one furthest to the left seems to have 3 lines. That could mean it is to be discarded.
I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.
Any help will be appreciated.
As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.Anything else? Ice in the coke? Sugar in your cup of tea?
RTFF is served 7/24 here, feel free to take advantage of.
The one furthest to the left seems to have 3 lines. That could mean it is to be discarded.Perhaps an illusion. From the photo angle. It had two. So did other.
Yes, these puppies are expensive, and they seem to have gotten even more so recently (in the US).
A clinic in BKK will charge 400 baht and get results in 20 minutes or less. Better option, though this obviously has to be preplanned and you cannot just test your takeout girl in the middle of the night.
I hope you think this through and though I feel your pain, do not venture into this blindly.
I was looking forward to seeing a freelancer I had met on Tinder. Spent time with her previously. Was looking to spend time with her again.
Had myself tested at hospital. Gave her a test in my room with Oraquik. Came back clearly double lined. I had a serious WTF moment.
Had her retake the test. I also took one myself (really more for her sake than mine, hoping against reality that this batch was somehow defective).
20 minutes later. You see the results. Her original one is furthest to right. The 2nd time. Hers is on left. Mine on right.
I feel awful. One in a selfish sense because the woman is simply fantastic in bed. But I feel far more badly for her. I told her she needs to go see a doctor tomorrow and get herself tested.
I didn't have sex with her, but paid her fully what I would have and gave her a little extra to go see the doctor tomorrow.
The harsh reality of places like Bangkok (and Pattaya etc) is that the pros, especially the older ones, have seen miles and mile of dick and even though odds of individual transmission for a woman is 1 in 2000 and for a man 1 in 4000... it's either super bad luck and just too many miles of dick (or both)I was reading that risk for a woman in vaginal sex with HIV positive man is about 1 in 1250. This is higher than for HIV man being treated. For the man the risk is said to be about 50% of that, e.g. 1 in 2500 (lower if circumsized), similar to risk of performing felatio. DATY should be significantly lower and hard to get numbers. Man not circumsized doing BB anal has a much higher risk, and sharing needles is probably the most risky of all.
I would not like to see the girl take the Oraquick result too seriously. Treat is as an indicator to get the better tests done. She can get the proper blood test cheaply and quickly at Red Cross. The full "all clear" from very sensitive "amplification test" follow-up takes a few days though.
I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt. Especially as combined with unreliable, it is also vastly more expensive. Is Oraqucik a complete waste of money? I can't answer that. If I was Catire, I would have attempted to take the girl to Red Cross, although would be up to her if she was willing to share the result. Unwilling would indicate a likely positive, and prove OraQuick sometimes appears to work. If negative, would learn that OraQuick is not to be trusted, and maybe not waste more money.
If I was doing any girl regularly BB, I would want to swap result reports with her, every so often (maybe 3 months). It's no guarantee, but an odds reducer, given we don't fuck very often.
I do agree that girls who have been in the BBFS business for many years, have a much greater chance of being unlucky with one of their HIV customers. I know of one such girl aged about 45, very pretty when I first met her (best friend of my girl), and still in fairly good shape last time seen. A newbie girl just starting out, would have to be very unlucky to have caught it from BBFS. Maybe this is why BBFS guys will be choosing girls as young as they can get, and inexperienced.
Some shops/MPs have their own doctor to do tests. So using a shop girl, can be slightly less risky than free-lancers, who may well be just not getting tested at all.
Thai Buddhists have a fatalist attitude. When their time is up, it is up. So they don't have to indulge in safe practices at all. Teenagers get killed racing motorcycles or innocently get collected by a truck, no concerns about lung cancer, liver cancer, etc. Eat shitty crap food. No problem. It is also considered very bad form to mention risky things, as though the mention is likely to bring on bad luck. These are cultural stupidities. When we are due, we will die. It is that simple to many Buddhists. We can then get re-incarnated and come back in another life as a higher human or maybe as a dog or insect, or ascend to heaven, or descend to hell. LOL
I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt.I don't know about the Red Cross, but I get my tests at Bumrungrad Hospital. The doctor there seemed to think those OraQuick were pretty accurate. I use OraQuick for testing in the USA because it's such a pain in the ass getting that test done at the doctor's office in the USA. You spend more time filling out confidentiality forms than actually getting the test. Then getting the results in the USA is a royal pain in the ass as well. I've always tested negative, but they won't even tell me that over the phone, I have to physically come into the office and talk directly to the doctor (which usually requires about a hour wait in that office just to have him tell me the result was negative).
Regardless of the testing means, if I were to ever encounter a positive test, I would take it seriously and go to a different place to test again.
I don't know about the Red Cross, but I get my tests at Bumrungrad Hospital. The doctor there seemed to think those OraQuick were pretty accurate. I use OraQuick for testing in the USA because it's such a pain in the ass getting that test done at the doctor's office in the USA. You spend more time filling out confidentiality forms than actually getting the test. Then getting the results in the USA is a royal pain in the ass as well. I've always tested negative, but they won't even tell me that over the phone, I have to physically come into the office and talk directly to the doctor (which usually requires about a hour wait in that office just to have him tell me the result was negative).
Regardless of the testing means, if I were to ever encounter a positive test, I would take it seriously and go to a different place to test again.Yes of course red tape and forms takes longer than taking the blood of course. Obvious.
So use the Red Cross. Maybe 1 hour after blood extracted, for initial result printed on paper and given by a doctor. So there is some wait. Perhaps two hours in total from entering to be finished, maybe 90 minutes is possible. Followup amplification result can be a contact by phone or email a few days later. Don't have to go back just to get the negative result. It has to be a lot cheaper than the hospital and less mucking around. I have tried both ways.
Red Cross is at intersection of Ratchadamri and Sarasin (opposite NW corner of Lumphini park. Walking distance from Ratchadamri BTS 400 m).
I never get tested in home country, because I almost never fuck anyone there. LOL I prefer the streamlined Thai approach at Red Cross.
Would be interesting if there are any estimated figures for the percentage of freelance hookers being HIV positive in BKK, Pattaya, and up country. I would expect up country to be the highest. Although news cases each year were declining for many years, that would not apply to total cases. One assumes intravenous drug users and gay men still dominate the numbers.
Many years ago it was reported that a high number of innocent housewives were HIV positive contracted from their Thai husbands, who naturally had BBFS all the time. Significant numbers of Thai children losing both parents to AIDs. I would not know if parents were also drug users, but that would increase the odds very greatly.
She went to a clinic today and there they confirmed a positive test. Don't know what method / test they used. The doctor told her the results are not 100% certain yet.
(I'm guessing now they do that full super sensitive double confirmation Elisa test or whatever it is).
They will now send 2 vials of her blood to a hospital. She will see the doctor on the 5th.
She's not taking this stoically. She's confused, she's afraid. She told me she didn't want to die. She has children (at least one son). She asked me "what happened to me"? .
Poor woman.
I assured her that the medicines they have for HIV now (IF she is confirmed positive) are really advanced and she will not only live but live a fairly normal life, provided she takes her meds daily, which I suspect will be provided to her by the govt for free or at a very low cost. (because I have read they do this now in places like Thailand, they have purposefully broken several patents to do this).
Actually the risk to a woman from an infected man is more like 1 in 2000. Of course if he has huge tool, odds go up because of possible tears in tissue and blood exchange. Where the odds really get dangerous for a woman is getting buttfucked. Her odds then become as low as 1 in 400. For guys it's like 1 in 4000 vaginal with infected partner. 1 in 1500/2000 anal with infected partner.
I think if you are circumcised, that is an additional layer of protection. And a good one. (this has been well documented).
IMO what happens in a place like Thailand is too much interaction, aka fucking between men and ladyboys. Those men catch it. And pass it on to women.
The odds of regular hiv transmission are simply too low outside of Africa (where a lot of "other" factors come into play).
But it's also possible to simply be super unlucky but there isn't much to say in such circumstances. Just sadness all around. For a woman over say 30... she has probably been seeing dick and dick every night for over 10 years. If she's around 40... that's 20 years. Too many spins of the roulette wheel, even at such low low odds.
p.s. vis a vis Oraquik efficiency - it's said to be 99.1% positive in confirming negative... it's 91% something positive in confirming positive... so there's around a 10% chance for a false positive.
pps I know a guy who used Oraquik extensively when it was available in Thailand (now one cannot get it in a drug store) and he always tested his girls, he had quite the appetite... but the only one that ever tested positive for him was a girl in Cambodia.
I do agree that girls who have been in the BBFS business for many years, have a much greater chance of being unlucky with one of their HIV customers. I know of one such girl aged about 45, very pretty when I first met her (best friend of my girl), and still in fairly good shape last time seen. A newbie girl just starting out, would have to be very unlucky to have caught it from BBFS. Maybe this is why BBFS guys will be choosing girls as young as they can get, and inexperienced.
Some shops/MPs have their own doctor to do tests. So using a shop girl, can be slightly less risky than free-lancers, who may well be just not getting tested at all.
Syzy, what is your reaction to my sense that a very sexually active party-girl in almost any big city in the USA could very well be more likely to acquire HIV sexually from an HIV-positive man (and then pass it along) than a P4P girl we would likely encounter in Bangkok?
Now that HIV tainted blood transfusions are almost non-existent in the civilized world and any drug addict with a buck to spare has probably not shared a needle in decades, it seems to me the pool of males who have the money, time and inclination to fly to South East Asia in order to pay a woman to have sex with them would not contain many if any who were gay (some might be bi-sexual) or so down on their luck and money that they need to scrounge around sharing needles with other drug addicts. And most Thai men, the HIV-positive among them, aren't likely to go trolling around the touristy red-light districts of Bangkok and pay Bangkok prices instead of elsewhere on the outskirts either.
But a very sexually active party-girl in New York City or Los Angeles (or Paris for that matter) might very well find herself in the company of an HIV-positive male ready to take his turn with her either on a whim or the easily accessible opportunity to give a woman a try in the case of a man who otherwise prefers having sex with men. The cost, time and effort for a local needle-sharing drug addict to give her a go might not even be all that prohibitive. And that same girl could then show up on a dating site or booty-call social network app looking pretty good to some of us punters here were we to encounter her on a trip to one of those cities. After all, unlike the Bangkok P4P girls, she is mostly in it for the fun and not the money. So she might actually be proactively interested in trying any and all comers.
Just a thought. I simply can't see that the P4P girls I have been with in Bangkok would have been the object of desire or curiosity very often for gay men or needle-sharing drug addicts on either side of the globe who somehow got their hands on enough travel money and free-time from panhandling to find their way to Bangkok in order to spend even more money on STs and ST rooms with Thai go-go dancers and the line up at Thermae.
Gladiator69
04-03-18, 15:48
I would not like to see the girl take the Oraquick result too seriously. Treat is as an indicator to get the better tests done. She can get the proper blood test cheaply and quickly at Red Cross. The full "all clear" from very sensitive "amplification test" follow-up takes a few days though.
I would not mind betting that the Red Cross would probably laugh at the OraQuick test (perhaps scoff is the better word), holding it in some contempt. Especially as combined with unreliable, it is also vastly more expensive. Is Oraqucik a complete waste of money? I can't answer that. If I was Catire, I would have attempted to take the girl to Red Cross, although would be up to her if she was willing to share the result. Unwilling would indicate a likely positive, and prove OraQuick sometimes appears to work. If negative, would learn that OraQuick is not to be trusted, and maybe not waste more money.My doc in the US uses Oraquick too, but of course blood test would be the gold standard. There was a time the HIV test fell off my blood work in my annual physical. He just did the oral swab and I got the result back in 20 minutes.
Hotman 666
04-03-18, 20:02
I don't think I will ever have a chance to visit this place again.
Any help will be appreciated.
As shared earlier, not looking for sex but for specific experiences for:
Russians Europeans Uz Stripteases.
Lesbian play.
Soapy massage.
Voyeurism.
Nuru massage.
Bondage.
As shared earlier, I just wish to experience them and not over spend. Hence do suggest budget places which provide decent above experience.Why is it that you can often tell the Nationality, or at least the geographical area that a poster comes from JUST by reading their posts?
Only questions. No attempt to read the forum. Never any useful info. The assumption that THEIR time is MUCH more important than anyone else.
Yes, you got it, they are from * and despite what they say you will never EVER see any useful field report from them.
I'm sure that anyone that has taken just a few minutes to RTFF will already know the answers to most or all the questions!
Hotman.
Some guy reported he was not impressed by Crazy House and how Long Gun had better girls dancing naked.
I went to check it for myself starting at Crazy House around 8. 20 pm, meaning some of the better girls maybe still have not arrived. The lineup was far from impressive for a bar that used to have some pretty girls. A few of the girls had okay Slim bodies and okay Tits, mostly small, since majority of the silicones are extremely ugly jobs. No big naturals that looked good. This bar was way better for line up, 3 years ago up to even maybe 5 years ago when founded. There were no faces that really appealed to me excepting Jane sitting on a guy's lap near by. I have known her for over 3 years. I watched two sets, or part of two sets. A guy sitting next to me was Swiss and had a gorgeous girl (who was clearly not from CH). Rather than gawk at her, I moved on. CH has very little for me these days, and Billboard at Nana is miles ahead for slim model types (with a few pretty faces too).
Tried out Long Gun just before 9 PM. The Coyotes clothed were dancing first. This was the most ordinary looking set of Coyotes I saw in a bar. 80% were over weight for my taste. Faces very plain. Only 1 made any attempt to dance like a Coyote normally does. At end of that set a fat girl approached. She asked if I recognised her. Nope! She said "Wip". Okay I knew this fresh shy newbie slim 19 YO about 5 years ago called Wip. This was a fat blob girl, so that I could hardly recognise the face. When she got up to dance nude, it was worse, with a long railway track right accross the belly. She had been away from Long Gun (also called Lucky Star officially), for several years. She met a Thai boy in the village and by 4 months she was pregnant. Before giving birth he already had a new girl. Makes me sick to hear the same old story time and again. Why wouldn't a young girl wait 3 years to get to know her partner better before even thinking about a family. Working in Seven does not pay the bills. Coming back to the bar does work either. Once was cute and fun, now looks like a fat disaster. She noticed I had lost several kilos since we last met, so food control can work. However these uneducated girls have no clues. The gogo girls dancing nude were mostly bad figures, 80% pudgy, one or two moderately slim but not skinny. One or two had acceptable faces but far short of pretty for me. Not one girl had nice slim legs with a high shapely ass. So for my taste, Long Gun line up was significantly behind CH (liking slim to skinny girls). A Show came on and even the 2 show girls were pudgy to my taste. Maybe were Indian taste. BTW, when I arrived at Long Gun, they had only 8 customers, making the bar maybe 20 to 25% full. Far fewer customers than CH. The customers vote with their feet. I heard later that maybe Rawhide could be better.
So if you go for slim models like me, forget Long Gun completely. Even CH was not exciting at all.
Next stop Doll House. This bar has changed a lot yet again. I would say they had 25% gogo girls and the rest were Coyotes (Coyote BF 1000). The Coyote girls had mostly very good slim model figures, and several were even pretty. I would rate them overall as better than Sharks Coyotes, and at a cheaper price, could consider trying one. At least one of the gogo girls had a great ass too. That was better, even if she had zero tits. There was no naked dancing in Dollhouse, but some girls wore g-String. Coyotes cover the tits a bit too much as usual.
Looked in my normal Shark too. Some good looking girls, but I probably rate Doll House higher for the Coyote types for looks alone. I BFed two girls, both ex-Suzie Wong, and we had a really great fun time, lots of slobbery kissing, lots of fingers deep in pussies, dual girl BBBJs, etc. They were not real lesbians so were not inclined to lick each other's pussies, but still had a lot of fun interacting with 2 girls concurrently (Yes I know I have only one dick but also a mouth and two hands). Yes I would repeat. I would even think about taking both away on a holiday. As I don't cum easy, it is useful for them to share the workload.
DATYed Maa, her squatting over my mouth, to her 3rd pop (according to her. Not sure if was true or only a lesser number in total) while Pat gave me BBBJ. Because was Tuesday, and the staff know me, and I tip well, and the ST Hotel was not busy, I believe we got well over the normal 1 hour, without watching the clock. Many positions tried. When we finished was after 1 am, so I could not work out where so much time had gone. ST Hotel fee (AsokePlace) was 450 baht instead of 350 baht. I guess 100 more covers extra towel (or more than covers). LOL Coming out of there a Farang customer waiting went "Whoohr" as if to indicate I had 2 pretty hot sexy looking girls. His companion was a LB, not so smooth face. I wondered if he knew. Normally it is Japanese guys come in there with LBs. Some bars are having secret hush hush post op LBs these days, where the staff are not officially allowed to talk about it.
P.S. I did BF a Billboard Model type recently, No. 918 Ying. She was inexperienced, apprehensive, and lacking skills. By the end of the hour, she had started to go better giving me some DFK, which says she does not normally do. Overall not up to standard of my regular girls, but just showed a glimmer, that it could be better next time if she is relaxed and I can get some extra leg openers into her. More likely I will try a different girl (perhaps 900) though and see if I get luckier. Ying could suit a guy who does not need any service, but rather so horny, that a sleek pretty girl will turn him on a treat, automatically. Not at my age, though. I need DFK from early to get excited. Alternatively a skilled BJ will work.
So if you go for slim models like meIsn't it odd that what is appealing to the eye is rarely appealing to the touch? For fucking, I like models if they are lingerie models with some sexy meat on their bones. I damn sure don't like skeleton skinny "fashion" models.
Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM and the place was packed with girls, many very attractive, and only about 1/3 the number of customers I usually see in the place. As I went in on impulse on my way home I wasn't really thinking about taking anyone but, this might sound weird, actually I went in to find a MAN! LOL. See, it happens that Thermae is one of those places where I have met some of the more fun, interesting and socially compatible new male friends, guys I have exchanged Line info with, met again later on that holiday for them or on subsequent return visits, gone on many, many go-go bar runs with and so on. If you stand at that bar, with or without a friend or wingman already at your side, it is easy to see which guys are similar age to you, are or are not heavy drinkers or alcohol drinkers at all based on the drink placed before them and how often they reorder and even if they are smokers or not, since many heavy smokers can't last more than 10-15 minutes before stepping outside for a cigarette. This all adds to the compatibility issue. And it is a place where one can actually hear the other person speaking in a somewhat normal voice level because the music isn't all that loud.
So I have met some very fun, interesting and, obviously, like-minded guys on the subject of P4 P adventures from the USA, France, Spain, Italy, the U. K. and, yep, even from Asia/Japan in Thermae, where it is probably easier to chat up the fellow next to you than in almost any other P4 P venue in the city. Some turn out to be annoying types and they can often be weeded out quickly and ignored or walked away from. Maybe they make the same judgement of me. LOL. But in every case a man standing alone at the bar in Thermae has been open and even welcoming of a simple, "Hi, how are things going for you tonight? See anything interesting yet?" as you both gaze around the room type of neighborly chat up that quite often can lead to adding worthwhile recurring contacts to hangout with and explore the rest of what Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand has to offer.
But I didn't get that far this time. The place was so packed with attractive girls who were clearly, obviously and quite demonstrably interested in getting the attention of this particular farang in his 60's but who might if the lighting is just right be taken for being closer to early 50's with a big, inviting smile on his face (that would be me), after I got my club soda at the entrance counter I barely got past the first group of girls on the left side of the bar before they were kind of closing in on the aisle to keep me from going very far, facing me full on, smiling and slightly nodding as if to already be saying "yes" to a question I hadn't even thought about asking yet.
I stopped at the first best looking one in that particular group to say Hello and how are you (sawatdee krup. sabai dee mai?) and found she spoke quite fluent English. Chatted a bit with her and I was genuinely interested. But I politely told her I wanted to take a quick walk around the place since I had just arrived and maybe I would come back to chat some more in a few minutes. Again, I didn't get very far after that either. By the time I took about 5 strides through the crowd of very smiley and focused (on me, an old farang) slim and attractive young ladies, I spied one that I had seen and briefly chatted up months earlier but did not take at the time because I had another appointment heading to my apartment about an hour later and had only gone in Thermae at the time because a friend I had met, sure enough in Thermae, wanted to check it out.
She recognized me immediately too. Biggest smile in the room (I think. Frankly, I hadn't even had a chance to scan the room at that point). We chatted for about 2 minutes, I cleared the 2-3 basic requirements I would need to be met were I to take her this night. No discussion of money. Only a discussion of whether or not she would be ok with me kissing and licking her pussy, followed by a sweet and complete round of BBFS. She agreed, I took her gently by the hand and off we went. Back through a crowd of rather unhappy and disappointed looking attractive young ladies, if I might humbly add. Did I mention there were only about 1/3 the number of male customers in the place this night? LOL. Again, still no discussion of money with my choice. And there still was none afterwards. I simply tucked 2,500 baht under the corner of her purse on my desk when she was showering after what turned out to be a thoroughly satisfying, unhurried romp on my couch and in my bed with a new lady with a dynamite body, lovely face, wonderful smile, silky smooth skin, a totally bald pussy and that winning attitude everyone seems to be looking for these days.
I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.
Isn't it odd that what is appealing to the eye is rarely appealing to the touch? For fucking, I like models if they are lingerie models with some sexy meat on their bones. I damn sure don't like skeleton skinny "fashion" models.Yeh I heard that before. My buddy likes fat girls (fat in my view. Voluptuous in his view). He once described my GF as a "bag of bones" when she was 40 Kg. Even with nice sized tits, but even looking too skinny for me at the time. Right now she might be 46 Kg at age 39 (she is shortish) and I would not want her to add too much more to the belly. Just perfect for me now. Still has a great ass, way better than any Long Gun girls seen last night.
I have branched out. One regular bargirl in Shark has big tits, and good curves, but not very close to skinny. Tallish and probably weighs 50 to 55 Kg. Meanwhile I still have a skinny girl in Crazy House on occasion. Not a bag of bones though. Does have enough flesh that the touch is great for me, soft tits, and fingers in the tight pussy. Tallish so probably weighs 46+ Kg.
There is a very small percentage of girls that are too skinny for my taste, ha ha, but not very many, maybe 1 or 2% only. A large percentage of girls are too fat for me, maybe 50% Then have to eliminate any excessively ugly surgeries, also a high percentage.
Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM ....
I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.Its hard to believe this is the same Thermae I have been in a few months ago. Still the economy is real bad right now, and so many people have so little money that even the traffic jams at night have declined. People can't afford petrol. It could be turning to a buyer's market in Thermae if so many girls were so keen and even changing from demure to semi aggressive.
The new government is mostly talk, and can't implement much useful, lacking money for one thing. The food carts and street stalls get swept out to create a better image but the people suffer. No way to make money. Meanwhile the government was spending big on submarines I think. What for? MPs get shut down. Non Thai nationals cannot work in most bars, maybe they can work in Thermae? The Government should be focussing on boosting the economy for poor people.
I would never have used the same terms for lots of pretty girls, so I might be a bit more fussy for natural looks. In my case I only found the odd few really appealing ones, but they were almost always popular girls with the Japanese customers.
I get the impression that the whole monger scene is a bit low on customers, in addition to economy being very bad, with certain places being exceptions. Shark was very busy last night. Lots of customers. Not sure exact reason why it is popular. The dance music is okay The gogo girls are just okay In general. I just happen to like two girls known for many years. The Coyotes a bit too expensive to BF.
Syzy, what is your reaction to my sense that a very sexually active party-girl in almost any big city in the USA could very well be more likely to acquire HIV sexually from an HIV-positive man (and then pass it along) than a P4P girl we would likely encounter in Bangkok?
That is too hard of a question. We need to understand that some hookers are using condoms and others are willing not to. How many different guys does each bareback girl fuck in a year? Do any girls take BB up the ass? (unwise). What is the likelihood of intravenous drug users being one of the parties involved? Etc. Also I am not from USA and lack USA experience. Never fucked a girl in the USA, have done a hottie from Puerto Rico (damn deep DFK).
Taxi drivers talk to me about the village they come from. Normally they know of several villagers died of Aids, whether male or female, sometimes both husband and wife, sometimes even a child was born with HIV. One could get the impression it is prevalent in the Thai community. I hear less about Thai people in Bangkok and even less about Farangs getting Aids here. I don't interact with lots of Farangs. Just a few at the Sports Pub. Probably a lot of Farang cases will be related to drugs and gay activities, and I don't come into contact with those types.
I don't do widespread BBFS. HIV is not even the main reason. I am scared to pick up other very easily caught STDs. Can't afford to give my wife anything. That would not be nice. So I indulge mostly in lower risk activities. It is very useful for regular BBFS partners to be both tested every so often to get a reassurance. Neither partner may trust the other completely to not suddenly take some unknown person in BBFS. She did it with me, so how many others is she not telling me about? If I did not have the Mrs., likely I would be behaving less carefully. I have only done maybe 3 new girls (for first time) this year and each was covered FS. So clearly my mongering is in steep decline. Finding new fabulous girls sufficiently exciting becomes harder and harder. I don't have the biological imperative to spread my seed so widely any more. Easier to take a known girl with good face and good body and a good fuck. Still get some variety form skinny to very curvy.
I would bet most of us did BBFS at some time in the past with a newly met girl in a rush of blood, even if we normally don't. I can recall a few. However at least I have my test results that prove there were no consequences for past behaviours with unknown girls.
You can get very unlucky. I have had an STD only twice over many years. One was Chlamydia eye from fingering pussy and not washing finger before rubbing the eye. Second was Chlamydia dick. The only girl barebacked at that time claimed to not have Chlamydia which leads to possibly of catching it from a BBBJ by a woman from the Grace Coffee shop (a lot of years ago), or maybe the BBFS girl was telling lies (seems a bit more likely). One other time had some infection probably not an STD as the one BBFS girl did not have it. No other sex partners at that time.
I have to assume that most regular Barebackers will catch an STD moderately often since Chlamydia and others are caught so easily. My last Red Cross visit tested for long term indicators of past Herpes or Cold Sores (HSV) and none were found. That surprised me a little, since I DFK and DATY and get BBBJs from so many girls over the years, and reportedly a high percentage of the population have had one of those, I expected the monger community to be worse off. Can one be immune to it, or just relatively hard to catch, or very lucky for this one (unlucky for Chlamydia)?
I used to use Durex Comfort 54mm, but now use a Japanese 52mm condom "003" (can buy it in 7Eleven) which is harder to get on but I have developed the perfect technique to stretch and get it on easily and without bubbles. It is thin enough to give me pretty good feel, still not as good as BBFS of course. I even have to buy a supply to take OS. I could not go back to normal condoms, given that get used to superior BBFS.
Gannaton48
04-04-18, 09:30
Stopped in Thermae on a whim Monday night about 9:30 PM and the place was packed with girls, many very attractive, and only about 1/3 the number of customers I usually see in the place. As I went in on impulse on my way home I wasn't really thinking about taking anyone but, this might sound weird, actually I went in to find a MAN! LOL. See, it happens that Thermae is one of those places where I have met some of the more fun, interesting and socially compatible new male friends, guys I have exchanged Line info with, met again later on that holiday for them or on subsequent return visits, gone on many, many go-go bar runs with and so on. If you stand at that bar, with or without a friend or wingman already at your side, it is easy to see which guys are similar age to you, are or are not heavy drinkers or alcohol drinkers at all based on the drink placed before them and how often they reorder and even if they are smokers or not, since many heavy smokers can't last more than 10-15 minutes before stepping outside for a cigarette. This all adds to the compatibility issue. And it is a place where one can actually hear the other person speaking in a somewhat normal voice level because the music isn't all that loud.
So I have met some very fun, interesting and, obviously, like-minded guys on the subject of P4 P adventures from the USA, France, Spain, Italy, the U. K. and, yep, even from Asia/Japan in Thermae, where it is probably easier to chat up the fellow next to you than in almost any other P4 P venue in the city. Some turn out to be annoying types and they can often be weeded out quickly and ignored or walked away from. Maybe they make the same judgement of me. LOL. But in every case a man standing alone at the bar in Thermae has been open and even welcoming of a simple, "Hi, how are things going for you tonight? See anything interesting yet?" as you both gaze around the room type of neighborly chat up that quite often can lead to adding worthwhile recurring contacts to hangout with and explore the rest of what Bangkok and elsewhere in Thailand has to offer.
But I didn't get that far this time. The place was so packed with attractive girls who were clearly, obviously and quite demonstrably interested in getting the attention of this particular farang in his 60's but who might if the lighting is just right be taken for being closer to early 50's with a big, inviting smile on his face (that would be me), after I got my club soda at the entrance counter I barely got past the first group of girls on the left side of the bar before they were kind of closing in on the aisle to keep me from going very far, facing me full on, smiling and slightly nodding as if to already be saying "yes" to a question I hadn't even thought about asking yet.
I stopped at the first best looking one in that particular group to say Hello and how are you (sawatdee krup. sabai dee mai?) and found she spoke quite fluent English. Chatted a bit with her and I was genuinely interested. But I politely told her I wanted to take a quick walk around the place since I had just arrived and maybe I would come back to chat some more in a few minutes. Again, I didn't get very far after that either. By the time I took about 5 strides through the crowd of very smiley and focused (on me, an old farang) slim and attractive young ladies, I spied one that I had seen and briefly chatted up months earlier but did not take at the time because I had another appointment heading to my apartment about an hour later and had only gone in Thermae at the time because a friend I had met, sure enough in Thermae, wanted to check it out.
She recognized me immediately too. Biggest smile in the room (I think. Frankly, I hadn't even had a chance to scan the room at that point). We chatted for about 2 minutes, I cleared the 2-3 basic requirements I would need to be met were I to take her this night. No discussion of money. Only a discussion of whether or not she would be ok with me kissing and licking her pussy, followed by a sweet and complete round of BBFS. She agreed, I took her gently by the hand and off we went. Back through a crowd of rather unhappy and disappointed looking attractive young ladies, if I might humbly add. Did I mention there were only about 1/3 the number of male customers in the place this night? LOL. Again, still no discussion of money with my choice. And there still was none afterwards. I simply tucked 2,500 baht under the corner of her purse on my desk when she was showering after what turned out to be a thoroughly satisfying, unhurried romp on my couch and in my bed with a new lady with a dynamite body, lovely face, wonderful smile, silky smooth skin, a totally bald pussy and that winning attitude everyone seems to be looking for these days.
I think slow customer nights and certain times of the evening at Thermae can be very rewarding for older farang men, the kind who most of the girls, especially the hotter younger girls, are supposedly not the least bit interested in having a session with in favor of waiting for a Japanese taker instead. Or so the theory goes.ABout meeting nice guys in such places, I had some funny experience. AS I already wrote here, I like Beergarden both for experienced ladies (much much better in bed than the young sexy girls of bars) and discussing with guys for all parts of the world. For sure, as you say, not always interesting but easy to break the discussion after 5 min. Once I met a swedish man and, in contrast to their reputation of being cold, he was very nice. He did'nt know about Thermae and asked me to show him. We went and he almost jumped on the girls! But the ebst is to come: to thank me, he paid a girl for me!!
Monday night was chatting with two guys, one was part owner of cowboy bar Midnite Upstairs back in 1991 (and before that), the other was his relative. We had all been in his bar in 1991 (my first trip to Thailand without a wife in tow). I was complaining about the high amount of surgeries in bargirls, and the bar owner claims that even back in 1991, a lot of bargirls had surgeries. I disputed that. Maybe I did not recognise all nose jobs back then as a newbie, however when I look at my old photos of girls from 1991 (printed photos of course), I don't see nose or tit jobs on any of them. Many girls did have eye surgeries. I have never been one to pay attention to that much. Girls used to talk about "two storey eyelids".
So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).
Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?
Its hard to believe this is the same Thermae I have been in a few months ago. Still the economy is real bad right now, and so many people have so little money that even the traffic jams at night have declined. People can't afford petrol. It could be turning to a buyer's market in Thermae if so many girls were so keen and even changing from demure to semi aggressive.
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I would never have used the same terms for lots of pretty girls, so I might be a bit more fussy for natural looks. In my case I only found the odd few really appealing ones, but they were almost always popular girls with the Japanese customers.
I get the impression that the whole monger scene is a bit low on customers, in addition to economy being very bad, with certain places being exceptions. Shark was very busy last night. Lots of customers. Not sure exact reason why it is popular. The dance music is okay The gogo girls are just okay In general. I just happen to like two girls known for many years. The Coyotes a bit too expensive to BF.Well, to paraphrase your recent posted observation about go-go bars, my observation is the line up and customer numbers in Thermae change a lot from day to day and completely within months. In fact, I have seen more changes in the girl line up in Thermae from week to week than I ever see as often in a go-go bar. Which seems logical since girls working in go-go bars are generally expected to return night after night while the girls who show up at Thermae are much more random and it depends on how a girl feels she wants to earn money and where that night or that week. As far as the customer numbers go, I generally try to arrive in Thermae around 9:30-10 PM and the crowd is always less then than by 11 PM or later.
One big difference, among perhaps many, between your assessment of a line up and mine is that my impression is you scan the room (go-go bar or Thermae, doesn't matter) and decide which girl is absolutely the most beautiful in the room. Then you must have her, all others are second best and, therefore, far, far less interesting to you. If a Japanese man scoops up that one before you get to her or if she rebuffs you presumably because you are not Japanese or for any other reason, then you might redirect your attention to the next most beautiful girl in the room and now you must have her and all the others are second best and, therefore, far, far less interesting to you.
By contrast, I rarely if ever scan a room looking for the most beautiful girl to focus on and might only do so if a friend I am with asks me which one I think is the most beautiful. And even if I locate "her", I can certainly appreciate her beauty and "status" as the one I think is the most beautiful in the room but, frankly, determining that does not automatically make her the most sexually desirable one in the room to me. I still need to recognize a certain something about her that makes me want to put my dick in her or see how her face looks when she is having an orgasm or some combination of both and whatever other mysterious factor it is that makes me want to have sex with a woman. But being the most beautiful girl in the room is rarely if ever the mysterious certain something that does that for me. I have had what I believe is more than my share of vacuous beauties, and, well, been there done that. Boring.
So I am fine with choosing a girl that I think is sufficiently attractive, "good looking" for sure, and exudes that mysterious certain something for me but I could probably not tell you at that moment whether she was among the top 5, 10 or 20 "most beautiful" girls in the room. That simply wouldn't matter to me. I would just know that she qualifies as more than attractive enough, cute enough, or interestingly quirky different enough to me for me to want to give her a spin and have sex with her this night.
Also, I have learned in my lifetime of fucking that there is for me an immutable law of fucking that goes like this; the more you fuck, the more you fuck and the less you fuck, the less you fuck. LOL.
That being the case, I have over time managed to avoid being too too picky, too too fussy and worrying too too much about whether or not the girl I choose or for that matter get to fuck this night is exactly the right one. Down that path lies a delay for my next fuck. And after that delay, perhaps another will follow. And then another. And on and on until it might be much longer between fucks than is good for my sex life and, bingo, I am now caught in a downward spiraling vortex known in the Laws of Fucking as "the less you fuck, the less you fuck."
That being the case, I have over time managed to avoid being too too picky, too too fussy and worrying too too much about whether or not the girl I choose or for that matter get to fuck this night is exactly the right one.This is profound mongering wisdom, and every tourist and newbie ought to read and re-read your post. Over the years I've seen so many who seem obsessed with getting the 'hottest' girl in the room. And sometimes they succeed, but in general they never seem to have as good a time as those who just aim for finding nice girls with whom they have some rapport. Just stay in the game, as you say, and sooner or later you will find some spectacular performers. And often they aren't the super hot-looking ones that every other guy in the room is trying for.
He once described my GF as a "bag of bones" when she was 40 Kg. Even with nice sized tits, but even looking too skinny for me at the time. Right now she might be 46 Kg at age 39 (she is shortish) and I would not want her to add too much more to the belly. Just perfect for me now.I don't normally prefer skinny girls. However, my current girlfriend is 40 kg. If she ballooned to 46 kg, I would dump her immediately. The thing that makes her so sexy is her extremely flat stomach. She basically has a six pack and it's a turn on. She does have a beautiful face and nice little ass as well, but small tits. She's the kind of girl the locals cream their jeans over due to her white skin and face that looks like it's a mix between Asian and Western.
That being said, I do prefer bigger girls normally. Big asses and big tits. This skinny girl is an exception.
Engine Driver
04-04-18, 14:01
Monday night was chatting with two guys, one was part owner of cowboy bar Midnite Upstairs back in 1991 (and before that), the other was his relative. We had all been in his bar in 1991 (my first trip to Thailand without a wife in tow). I was complaining about the high amount of surgeries in bargirls, and the bar owner claims that even back in 1991, a lot of bargirls had surgeries. I disputed that. Maybe I did not recognise all nose jobs back then as a newbie, however when I look at my old photos of girls from 1991 (printed photos of course), I don't see nose or tit jobs on any of them. Many girls did have eye surgeries. I have never been one to pay attention to that much. Girls used to talk about "two storey eyelids".
So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).
Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?My first trip was in 1992. Thailand was dirt poor then and bar fines were around 300 THB, with the girls wanting about 300 THB for ST. I do not think that girls were sophisticated enough to seek out a plastic surgeon. Remember, there was no internet then, so they could not compare their noses to those of Hollywood stars or K-pop princesses. Even if they knew about it, there is no way they could have afforded it. I recall most of the girls being flat chested with full bushes.
So just wondered the opinion of any punters who were here 25 to 30 years ago. Were there in fact a lot of nose jobs in the bar girls? I do remember tit jobs, but far fewer than the modern day, I think. Tit jobs took off in western countries a little before Thailand I believe, same as mobile phones (cellphones for you Americans).
Did nose jobs really take off in recent years?Definitely lots of tit jobs in Bkk during the mid to late 80's. Thailand was THE place to go in SE Asia for enhancement, and I recall Aussie girls were lining up for the trip.
Nose jobs came a bit later.
Definitely lots of tit jobs in Bkk during the mid to late 80's. Thailand was THE place to go in SE Asia for enhancement, and I recall Aussie girls were lining up for the trip.
Nose jobs came a bit later.Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much. Here only geezers get plastic surgery that does any good to the figure. What's wrong with this people? Why is the job of representing the ideal female figure delegated to guys? I'm convinced by now some girls might be deterred of getting hips and waist jobs for fear of being mistaken for take-it-up-the-ass crossdressers. How more schizophrenic can it get?
Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much. Here only geezers get plastic surgery that does any good to the figure. What's wrong with this people? Why is the job of representing the ideal female figure delegated to guys? I'm convinced by now some girls might be deterred of getting hips and waist jobs for fear of being mistaken for take-it-up-the-ass crossdressers. How more schizophrenic can it get?How about this? Why don't they pump whatever feminine hormones, estrogen, miracle elixer or whatever it is they pump into young males to turn them into Ladyboys into some of the natural born Thai females too?! LOL. I mean, as long as that stuff is creating these ultra slim, beautiful skinned, shapely and tall babes out of MEN, how about seeing what it will do for the WOMEN??
My first trip was in 1992. Thailand was dirt poor then and bar fines were around 300 THB, with the girls wanting about 300 THB for ST. I do not think that girls were sophisticated enough to seek out a plastic surgeon. Remember, there was no internet then, so they could not compare their noses to those of Hollywood stars or K-pop princesses. Even if they knew about it, there is no way they could have afforded it. I recall most of the girls being flat chested with full bushes.Does it make sense the BF being the same as a ST price? I thought the BFs were less than that.
I recall getting bargirls for LT normally paying them 500 Baht, and one girl was only 400 Baht for the night, and next day she did not want to leave. I was lucky enough to get a girl from Thermae with moderately large broad expansive natural tits (more than handful), so definitely they were not all flat chested, just that there were a lot of flat chested girls. In slightly later years at Lollipop Nana Plaza I had some natural big tit girls too, in one case two sisters, both with big tits. I don't recall ever needing to take any siliconised girls in my early years here, despite them being around. Real big tits did exist.
Over the years I have taken a lot of flat or small chested girls, provided they are not saggy, like deflated bags.
Even in 1991, I think a lot of girls had had an eye operation, however it must have been a simple and quite inexpensive procedure.
How about this? Why don't they pump whatever feminine hormones, estrogen, miracle elixer or whatever it is they pump into young males to turn them into Ladyboys into some of the natural born Thai females too?! LOL. I mean, as long as that stuff is creating these ultra slim, beautiful skinned, shapely and tall babes out of MEN, how about seeing what it will do for the WOMEN??Your response is a little bit hyped up. LOL You may not be aware, that their is not much point in giving females hormones, unless they are suffering from a hormone shortage. If they have the normal female hormones already, adding more may not do a huge amount. However some girls report their breasts getting bigger when taking the pill. Other girls have normal hormones but have very small breasts. Hormones don't have same effect on all. I am not expert enough in that field to know why.
Some LBs can grow natural breasts when taking female hormones, some cannot and need silicone. Normal is for them to grow little ones.
Clearly female hormones do not prevent all girls from getting fat. LOL Keeping skinny is about natural metabolism, the bacteria populations in the gut, exercise, and food control. LBs are probably naturally taller, of course.
Engine Driver
04-04-18, 21:35
Does it make sense the BF being the same as a ST price? I thought the BFs were less than that.
I recall getting bargirls for LT normally paying them 500 Baht, and one girl was only 400 Baht for the night, and next day she did not want to leave. I was lucky enough to get a girl from Thermae with moderately large broad expansive natural tits (more than handful), so definitely they were not all flat chested, just that there were a lot of flat chested girls. In slightly later years at Lollipop Nana Plaza I had some natural big tit girls too, in one case two sisters, both with big tits. I don't recall ever needing to take any siliconised girls in my early years here, despite them being around. Real big tits did exist.
Over the years I have taken a lot of flat or small chested girls, provided they are not saggy, like deflated bags.
Even in 1991, I think a lot of girls had had an eye operation, however it must have been a simple and quite inexpensive procedure.You are probably right. It was 25 years ago, so I might have forgotten the exact amount. The girls fee was more likely 500 THB.
Yeah, couldn't agree more. Had an interesting conversation with a girl at CH. She was pretty good looking, nice firm body and all. But she told me somehow Japanese customers just wasn't into her. She wasn't particularly into them either, but her friends kept getting pretty generous tips from their Japanese customer.
In any case I've spent like most of an evening in Baccara getting completely ignored. Oddly, my friend who look (and dress like) a 6 1/2 foot lumberjack couldn't have a single moment to himself. They were literally crawling on him. He is as far from an Asian as you can possibly be. Strange.Was this by any chance a girl with a great ass and small tits? She told me the exact same thing, goes by aomaom on line (and also blocks you at random), says her age is 20, but probably nearing 30 to be honest. Coming back to BKK soon and really hoping to see her again.
And how's Nana? Is the roof ready and does it still have 3ST hotels? I can't remember which one the nice st hotel is. One is a total dump, near uhh. Angelwitch I think.
Why don't the silly cows have waist and hip jobs instead? The mulattas in SA have them and it's not as though the mulattas even needed them much.Why do you want slim Thai girls to look like big assed SA girls? If you like the shape of SA girls you go to SA. If you like the shape of Thai girls (too) you go to Thailand.
Why do you want slim Thai girls to look like big assed SA girls? If you like the shape of SA girls you go to SA. If you like the shape of Thai girls (too) you go to Thailand.I'm impressed by your sense of logic and geographical acumen. I'd never arrived at that conclusion on my own.
What about "slim Thai girls" sometimes looking like Thai ladyboys? Not all of them, say one in ten. Wouldn't that be great? In that way whenever you spotted a stunning body from a distance you wouldn't have to assume it's a guy.
I'm impressed by your sense of logic and geographical acumen. I'd never arrived at that conclusion on my own.
What about "slim Thai girls" sometimes looking like Thai ladyboys? Not all of them, say one in ten. Wouldn't that be great? In that way whenever you spotted a stunning body from a distance you wouldn't have to assume it's a guy.No need to be sarcastic.
And there are other ways to spot ladyboys. If you don't like the Thai girls as they are then go somewhere else, instead of calling them silly cows because they don't want waist and hip jobs.
That's all I was trying to say.
Why do you want slim Thai girls to look like big assed SA girls? If you like the shape of SA girls you go to SA. If you like the shape of Thai girls (too) you go to Thailand.I thought your reply was quite sensible on the face of it. Likewise ass enhancements made no sense to me. I of course prefer natural Thai looks, the more exotic, the better most likely. I certainly don't want Thai girls trying to look western, or like big booty girls, or anything else.
I have seen strange shaped Thai girls, that looked reminiscent of ladyboys, which naturally turned me off a little, e. G. Ass to small, body too straight, dance movements a little weird. Doesn't mean any of these things can be fixed by surgeries.
I prefer girls with waist to thigh ratio of between 0. 6 and 0. 7 which is about right for a naturally curvy but slim woman. I have seen some very straight bodied girls with coconuts stuck on the top. Very unappealing to me. There is also a good portion of Chinese girls that are rather too straight bodied for my taste. I prefer to come to Thailand, but the percentage of suitably shaped girls for me has been dropping over the years, as they eat a lot more western junk food, e. G. One girl told me the other day she loves a bucket of French fries with cheese sauce. Her figure could easily blow out, I feel, although she is still very young now.
Assuming all hot bodies from a distance would be ladyboys, or only 10% are not? That is getting too nutty for me.
Gladiator69
04-06-18, 15:12
Having sex once or twice a day is not a problem in general, but hey I'll be in BKK and a fuck-a-thon is my plan, it may be good to get some recreational help, just in case.
From my research on this forum, Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 and Southeast Pharmacy on Soi 15 Sukhumvit seem to have the best chance on getting some Viagra / Sidegra or Cialis / Apcalis. Prefer the 5 MG daily dose of Cialis / Apcalis as it gets me ready all day (you know, just like my user name Gladiator), don't have to worry about when I should take it and wait for it to take effect. Open to try Kamagra too (wonder if the gel tastes medicinal).
Is it still the case that these two pharmacies are the best shot? Is there other pharmacy close to where I will stay (Holiday Inn Sukhumvit on Soi 22 on the first few days of my trip)?
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I guess some Thai "export" quality WG will return back to Bangkok, soon.
Having sex once or twice a day is not a problem in general, but hey I'll be in BKK and a fuck-a-thon is my plan, it may be good to get some recreational help, just in case.
From my research on this forum, Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 and Southeast Pharmacy on Soi 15 Sukhumvit seem to have the best chance on getting some Viagra / Sidegra or Cialis / Apcalis. Prefer the 5 MG daily dose of Cialis / Apcalis as it gets me ready all day (you know, just like my user name Gladiator), don't have to worry about when I should take it and wait for it to take effect. Open to try Kamagra too (wonder if the gel tastes medicinal).
Is it still the case that these two pharmacies are the best shot? Is there other pharmacy close to where I will stay (Holiday Inn Sukhumvit on Soi 22 on the first few days of my trip)?Viagra is very easy to buy in Bangkok and they don't require a prescription. Pretty much every pharmacy you walk by will have it. I buy the generic since it's way cheaper and still works fine for me. I've stayed on soi 22 many times, as you walk towards Sukhumvit, there is definitely a pharmacy there that has it.
Hello chaps,
Can one of the seniors here give another senior some advise on good contacts of 3-some girls.
Would be much appreciated by PM.
Thanks.
K.
Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. That's just the wrong thing to do. It's unlikely she's going to drop a paying customer to go and chat with you. And the guy sure isn't going to like the interruption. Pick the wrong guys at the wrong time and you might get your ass beat.
Eszpresszo
04-07-18, 15:21
I have seen strange shaped Thai girls, that looked reminiscent of ladyboys, which naturally turned me off a little, e. G. Ass to small, body too straight, dance movements a little weird. Doesn't mean any of these things can be fixed by surgeries.
Changing an entire bone structure to change one's proportions would be radical surgery. If it was possible and available, I doubt it would be within the budget of the average ladyboy.
Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. That's just the wrong thing to do. It's unlikely she's going to drop a paying customer to go and chat with you. And the guy sure isn't going to like the interruption. Pick the wrong guys at the wrong time and you might get your ass beat.Nothing wrong with a nice friendly Hello,. The dude knows she a working girl. I don't think it is an unspoken rule in the least.
Member #4698
04-07-18, 20:50
Alright guys, an unspoken rule. See a girl you've been with before and she's going into a hotel elevator with another guy you do not call out to her. I agree. I think it is bad form to call out a girl when she is with another customer unless she breaks the silence and says Hi first.
Instead of being forward like that, I will give the girl a quick knowing glance into her eyes that only she can see followed with a slight discreet smile and that's it. After all, she is working and I have better things to do than intrude on that. The rule is: have a good time, but be cool!
Nothing wrong with a nice friendly Hello,. The dude knows she a working girl. I don't think it is an unspoken rule in the least.Whether it is unspoken or not it is proper etiquette and manners to not acknowledge her unless she does it first. Bottom line it is about having some class or not.
Alright guys, an unspoken rule. .Hi Breadman. I can see that your post is going to generate some discussion, which is fine. For what it's worth, I'm with Natty on this issue. Wink and a smile, maybe. Maybe something to discuss at some later time, but not at an elevator or wherever.
But what prompted you to post this comment? Is there a story here somewhere? TTG.
From my research on this forum, Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3
Is it still the case that these two pharmacies are the best shot?Charoen Pharmacy on Soi 3 will give you the Sidegra at the MSRP price. Not sure what percentage of the other pharmacies will give it to you at the MSRP price. In Pattaya, none of the small pharmacies would give it to me at the MSRP price. Charoen is convenient because it is close to Nana Plaza. The prices went up last year. Now I believe it should be 120 baht for box of 4 50 MG tablets, and 200 baht for a box of 4 100 MG tablets.
Sidegra is legal Thai generic Viagra.
Has Thailand started to manufacture legal generic Cialis? In the US, Lilly loses its Cialis patent later this year.
Charoen Pharmacy should have legit Viagra and Cialis, but at a lot higher price. There will be counterfeit Viagra/Cialis and Indian generics on the street. Those work, but some are blanks (probably due to quality control?).
Nothing wrong with a nice friendly Hello,. The dude knows she a working girl. I don't think it is an unspoken rule in the least.I totally disagree with that. I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.
I totally disagree with that. I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.Why is saying hello inappropriate? A quick cordial hello/greeting/smile or acknowledgement is simply the human thing to do. The only way this becomes an issue is if either the WG or the customer is so insecure, thinks they own the other and creates a scene. She is a WG and he is a customer, everyone knows their role and conducts themselves like mature humans would.
Why is saying hello inappropriate? A quick cordial hello/greeting/smile or acknowledgement is simply the human thing to do. The only way this becomes an issue is if either the WG or the customer is so insecure, thinks they own the other and creates a scene. She is a WG and he is a customer, everyone knows their role and conducts themselves like mature humans would.Agree with you 100% Rue Man.
Why is saying hello inappropriate? A quick cordial hello/greeting/smile or acknowledgement is simply the human thing to do. The only way this becomes an issue is if either the WG or the customer is so insecure, thinks they own the other and creates a scene. She is a WG and he is a customer, everyone knows their role and conducts themselves like mature humans would.Ask the girls their opinion. I bet it's the opposite. I know in Indonesia, there is ZERO chance any working girl will ever say hello to me outside her workplace if I am with a girl. Why? Because they are professional. I give them the same courtesy. If I am alone, and they are alone, for sure we will both say hello to each other. If they are with another guy outside their place of work, I ignore them (unless they feel comfortable enough to say hello to me since I am alone). I can say hello to them the next time I see them at their place of work or send them a text.
Some of these girls have guys who are "in love" with them and send them money from abroad each month. Don't kid yourself into thinking every guy has the same hardcore mindset that these girls are just pieces of meat. Some guys will be disappointed if another guy says hello to the girl he is with. They actually believe they are special to that girl. To say hello to them while they are with another guy outside their place of work without them initiating the hello is possibly costing that girl money. The girls are of course unethical in finding guys who fall in love with them and leading the guys on, but who am I to spoil that for them?
Ask the girls their opinion. You could ask the girls but they are not a monolithic group so you will get different answers from them. You are making this into the proverbial mountain when it is only a proverbial molehill, if that. If a girl loses money because you said hello or she did the same while she is with a customer that is not on her or the guy who simply said hello, or acknowledged her, its on the insecure idiot who does not get human nature. Plus I am not here to protect WGs at all cost, as long as I am respectful I can't concern myself with what others do.
Bottom line is there is no rigid rule on this issue and there shouldn't be. We all have different opinions and approaches but saying hello, or acknowledging someone is universally seen as a positive thing by reasonable people.
saying hello, or acknowledging someone is universally seen as a positive thing by reasonable people.Agreed. If they are not with another man.
Agreed. If they are not with another man.Too bad for you because I and others like me will continue to say hello, regardless of who they are with.
I think it's completely inappropriate to say hello to any working girl when they are already with another guy outside their place of work. It's also inappropriate for them to say hello to you when you are with another girl.I am 100% with you on this unless the guy saying hello is known and observed saying hello to every person he passes on the street or stands next to in an elevator. Which is highly unlikely short of someone with mental problems. It is classic cock blocking done by the other fellow, either overtly or passive aggressively. What is he hoping to accomplish? Maybe prompt a quick exchange of niceties and book a ST for later before the elevator reaches the third floor and the formerly loving couple steps off? Recount and recall all the old times fucking her ass and getting an hour long rim job from her last time? At the most, if I see such a couple passing me and the guy is looking off in the other direction, I might throw a quick wink of acknowledgment to the girl and done.
Even when the girl I have been with before turns away from her current customer to make a big deal about saying hello to me, even IN the bar and not when they are strolling around outside the bar, my response is to smile, nod, maybe reply Hi but immediately turn right back to whatever I was doing before and say nothing more. If she is going to be assholish about how she treats her current customer that is her business, there is no reason for me to join her in the effort. And what if the guy she is with doesn't speak English that well and has no idea what quick discussion you and his girl are having right in front of him?
Seriously, guys, there are THOUSANDS of potential fucks and sucks all around you at any given moment in Bangkok. There is absolutely no reason for you to even so much as hold the gaze of a woman for more than a split second when it is clear another man is paying the tab right now. Go work your own deal and spread your wonderful chemistry with the ladies with someone else just for this moment, someone without a customer already who needs the attention and the money, how about it.
Ask the girls their opinion. I bet it's the opposite. I know in Indonesia, there is ZERO chance any working girl will ever say hello to me outside her workplace if I am with a girl. Why? Because they are professional. I give them the same courtesy. If I am alone, and they are alone, for sure we will both say hello to each other. If they are with another guy outside their place of work, I ignore them (unless they feel comfortable enough to say hello to me since I am alone). I can say hello to them the next time I see them at their place of work or send them a text.
Some of these girls have guys who are "in love" with them and send them money from abroad each month. Don't kid yourself into thinking every guy has the same hardcore mindset that these girls are just pieces of meat. Some guys will be disappointed if another guy says hello to the girl he is with. They actually believe they are special to that girl. To say hello to them while they are with another guy outside their place of work without them initiating the hello is possibly costing that girl money. The girls are of course unethical in finding guys who fall in love with them and leading the guys on, but who am I to spoil that for them?Guess it is place specific. In Pattaya, I would not hesitate, in the bar areas of BBK, I would not hesitate either. In a 5 star hotel; that would probably be a different matter.
JohnnyBraz
04-08-18, 09:00
I've been wanting to go to Thailand for some time but I've avoided Asia because I'm a smoker and I can't enjoy a vacation without my weed. It's likes a drinker going on vacation somewhere where they don't sell alcohol. I've been to Philippines and I was able to find weed in Angeles. Can anyone tell me if weed is available and where to find.Go to Cambodia. Many happy herb pizza shops will sell it on 172st and many other streets in Phnom Penh. And pretty much everywhere else in Cambodia.
StLouisMo2010
04-08-18, 09:57
Quite hard to get ST below 3000 nowadays unless you are weekly or monthly regular. Or Enrique Iglesias.April 1, BKK, Nana, I had the best session of my 10 day trip, 2 hrs 2+ shots, CL 32 yr old cuttie delivered to my hotel Soi 8, 2500 Baht, and I am no Julio Rodriguez rather a nice Falang who treated her nice, the quoted generalization may / is not true.
After the session, I took a walk to see how bad Terrmane was to us white guys after reading so many negatives over the past year hear in the Forum, at about 11:00 pm there were probably 100+ ladies lined up around the room, quite a few guys, most Asian, I was not in the market after my great session, but I would guess 15 -20 made eye contact and smiled back at me, several approached and one walked out with me and went 3 blocks up Suk with me trying to be friendly and not really pushy. (these were all doable) And as stated I am 60+ dress OK and my ex-wife still complains about my belly.
Conclusion We are in the land of smiles LOS, and the golden rule, I think being nice reaps rewards, so cheers and as always YMMV and RTFF.
Paris Montana
04-08-18, 11:26
Hi guys,
Total newbie here, just discovered the forum. Wanted to say thank you to everyone who participates and gives good information. Before writing this, I read about a years worth of the forum and really appreciates everyone who helps out this community.
Here are my experience in Bangkok in 2017 (two trips of 2-night layovers. So still semi-current).
I probably went to a total of over a dozen go-go bars. I took a lot of "best of" or "top 10" lists that seemed current and did my research. The areas included patpong, soi cowboy, and Nana.
By far, by far, the best girls I saw were in Billboard in Nana plaza (Billboard is on the third floor). There are two parts to it, a jacuzzi area which is very crowded and seems hard to get a seat, and a rotating circular stage on the other side where I was able to get a seat pretty easily most nights.
Why did I like it so much? Two reasons- the girls were smoking. Disclaimer- I prefer women with tan bodies (not white) and hate the Japanese anime type with braces. Many of the women had developed butts / boobs, and seemed attractive in a Western outlook.
The other reason I like it is that the stage rotates. This means I am not stuck looking at the same group of girls and its not awkward. I can look and peruse and the stage rotates in a circle, meaning I constantly get a good look and can make eye contact easily with the whole stage (seems almost like 24 girls at a time). No one is pushy, but at the same time, you have to be aggressive, the pretty ones usually have someone waiting to buy them a drink as soon as their dance time is over.
Angelwitch was a disappointment- I've been there before many years ago, and I remember the quality of girls being really high. In fact, almost all of the go-go bars didn't have girls I'the sleep with for minimal effort (by a drink and chat up), nevermind girls I'the pay to sleep with. (Suzy Wong's in Phuket had some real good looking girls, Billboard was the closest thing I saw in Bangkok).
Exceptions- Directly across from Billboard on the third level is a bar where all the girls wore different colors (like all girls on one side had pink bikinis, in the middle was green, etc). A map says its Butterflies (not sure if this is outdated).
I got placed on a couch in front of a middle stage. This absolutely cute girl came up to me and it was enough for me to think "woah" and immediately offer a drink. She was tall for a Thai, absolutely flat chested (and also flat stomach) but a nice plump butt. She was dark but had very nice features, like big eyes, big ears, straight nose etc. She was young, maybe like 21. I knew I would take her when she started grinding on me and I got really excited-.
Damage- Barfine 700, ST was 2 k. That was her offer, I didn't bargain but accepted.
Soon after I took her, I immediately regretted it. She seemed super bipolar, like all mad and upset one second and then sad the next in a Japanese anime way, like trying to be sad and cute. We walked to my hotel (maybe 7-8 minutes away) and during this time, she really worried me and pissed me off. It got to the point that I basically handed her a 500 baht note and told her to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. She immediately said sorry and promised to be happy. Great. Exactly what I'm looking for (sarcasm). Stayed at the Amari, which was a dump and full of certain types of arabs (sorry to be racist, I love arabs but these were the kinds that- well, you guys probably get it). Other Amari's in Thailand are very nice. Anyways, don't remember much about the actual deed- it wasn't a total bust but I remember being glad when I could send her away (you know when you just want to bust and get it over with). I never got close to being excited as I did when she was grinding me through my jeans. I saw her the next night, and she gave me that pouty look again- her behavior was not cute. But man, she looked nice. (Sidenote, there were at least half a dozen girls at Billboard hotter than her but it was the first bar of the night. When I went back at the end of the night, they were all gone).
Another one– Patpong. I apologize for not remembering the exact name. Its near the middle of the area, by a corner bar at an intersection with a live band (can view it from there). Its on the street with all the vendors, and has a number in its name "Kings III" or something like that. My friend and I were walking by when I saw a gorgeous, gorgeous girl with two friends out front. She grabbed my hand, and I let her drag me in. She looked very half Asian, true half Asian and not a surgery make up type.
In the bar, we were swarmed. Luckily I had my half-Asian girl and bought her a drink while my friend had to deal with a bunch of other mercenary girls. This place was uncomfortable, while we were in a small booth / couch with two girls, another dozen girls stood in front of us, just a few feet away, staring.
30 seconds after my girl got her drink, she said "lets go upstairs, I have a room, 30 minutes". I said "how much". She said 4. 5 k, one shot, naked and kissing is okay. When I hestitated, she was like "Okay, peace". She was the hottest girl I saw in Bangkok (working Thai), but I don't mind. Its not the money, I know with the attitude like that, she would have been a total shit. I would have paid 9 k for an overnight GFE with someone like her. Funny, she said she was half French and grew up there but didn't know a single word in French.
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