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Dreams

08-26-10, 16:40

I speak for many here that this topic is hackneyed, beaten up, and gets WAY too much focus to extremely little useful end on ISG. While there is a LOT of useful info on pricing and negotiation tips, these "you paid to much and have ruined the market" diatribes are summarily just griping. There are many of us that wish Jackson would just move all such posts into another thread; I suggest it be entitled, "Whining about Prices."

Anyway, I'm not going to follow this discussion any further than the comment (/corrections) that I will make below.

One may tip as one wishes - better said people WILL tip as they wish regardless of what YOU wish or decry - and despite others' views about what is "overpaying" (one word), the reality is the nature of such markets is always to have varying price points and are NOT set by YOU but rather by the entire market. If you and people only exactly like you existed, the market would not. In fact, tips also create the illusion (and in many cases the reality) of prospect for the girls, which draws more to the market. And the market, especially one as large as this one, develops around the different price points -- always has and always will, provided outside factors such as LE don't interfere. Pricing is NOT an outside factor but an intrinsic one.

Assuming by "precedent" you mean affecting the market and not the consciousness of the "rest of us": no, it does not. Also, negotiation, or lack thereof, is each person's own prerogative, and regardless of how much you cry about it that REALITY is NEVER going to change. If you can't accept this then don't play the game....and stop wasting forum space bitching about it.

That is an extremely myopic and erroneous perspective. The list of confounding factors is long, but I'll point out just a few: Inflation, Expansion, Relocation, Development, Segregation, Legal/Regulatory, and perhaps also your age itself (it makes sense that an older monger would have to pay more for the same quality as he did when he was 39 years younger, inflation adjusted).

That is patently untrue, officious, and neurotically paranoid. There are still TONS of places to monger cheaply. Some have relocated, some are in the same places as always. Some former cheap places now have better quality and are more expensive. Some entirely new places have popped up. And you can still get laid with ease for 500 baht (or less) on beach road in Pattaya, or a lot less in Angeles City, Cambodia, Laos, some places in Southern China, and many others. For that matter, Bangkok is still very cheap in many places. There are also expensive options (thankfully). You probably aren't going to get G-club girls for 500 baht. In the same way as you could buy an apartment in some locations of the city for $10,000 and in other places for $20 million, there are different prices for different budgets. And if someone wants to pay $20 million for a $10,000 apartment, it is not gonna "ruin the market." Ultimately, if everyone started doing that, then that would no longer be considered overpaying, because that would actually BE the market.

Meanwhile, I've said this before -- if overpaying ruined the market, as you say, then it would actually be incentive for people with more money to intentionally overpay and thus get rid of the competition (i.e. you) and keep the better girls for themselves, and your whining about it would be nothing more than tolling of a bell to remind and encourage people to do just that. But that's simply not at all how the market works. Just as it would be pointless to try to do that, it's pointless to try to get people to "hold the market down," or even think that such a strategy would actually work for anything other than a tiny fraction of the market and/or for a very short time. Google Nick Leeson if you want a real life example.

Anyway, my point is this: Read up on prices as you wish, and monger as YOU wish. This whole world, especially here in Thailand, is a giant fantasy. Enjoy it as you wish. Up to you. But don't be a hater, or if you are, keep it to yourself.
Thanks for summarising so well what many of us, who are sick and tired to read those absurd rants about prices, think.

Guido88

08-26-10, 17:41

Bonzo1

I firmly believe it will over paying does have negative affects. The girl that just shafted a monger on price will undoubtedly share her exploits with all her w.hore friends who will attempt the same.

Plenty of places to monger with value?

Try to find white meat for a decent price. What was once $75 a night in Moscow a 5 short years ago is now $300-1,000 or more. Prague and Amsterdam are also great examples.

Although we are literally on the same page we are certainly not in agreement pricing/overpaying.

My feel is mongers should RTFF and study up on pricing, then negotiate.

My .02

Guido88

Timmylamb

08-26-10, 18:45

Noodleman

08-26-10, 23:15

i'm headed to bangkok for my first time in december and unfortunately i'm taking my fiance since it's kinda on the way back to her home in vietnam. she'll be shopping for the most part, so i'm planning on getting some personal time away to enjoy the scenery. thanks for the reports you provided, this should give me some better understanding of what i need to be shelling out and where i should head to. i'll be sure to report my findings once i'm done.

happy mongering.

hello, friends:

this is my first report on this forum. been lurking around here for a while, learning from you guys prior to my first trip to bangkok. well, i finally made my trip last week! 4 nights in bangkok, staying at a hotel in nana, near n. e. p.

1st night: massage parlor, 400baht + 1000baht = 1400baht

arrived into bkk close to midnight. by the time i got to my hotel, it was nearly 2:00am! i spotted n. e. p and the bars were still somewhat open, but i was too tired for the bar scene. instead, after checking into the hotel, i went to a massage parlor (naree massage) nearby, these guys close at 3am (although their sign outside says 24h). opted for a 1hr oil massage with nice, slim lady in her mid-30s (my guess) for 400 baht. she took me upstairs into a dimly lit room. the room was clean and cool. she gave me a towel and asked me to shower while she prepared the room: turned on music, blasted the a/c, etc. the massage was decent and after flipping me over at the 30 min mark, asked me if i wanted to massage the baby. i asked her if she offered full service, and she laughed (as if i had to ask.). she asked for 1500, but i countered with 1000 baht, saying that that's all i had. and that it was my first night in bangkok! she laughed, and said ok. so she went to work, massaging balls and baby, then gave me a cbj. i was tired as hell from the long flight, but she made me hard in no time. hopped on and hell, i almost came instantly because her pussy was so tight! my first thai pussy and i was overwhelmed by it. i felt like i was in heaven. it was a great first experience.

day 2: cupidy soapy, 2500baht

for my 2nd night, i decided to go to a soapy and so chose to go to cupidy, on the 'basement' floor of the plaza entertainment complex. i was pleasantly surprised by the number of girls available, though only 12 behind the glass (at 2000 baht) and about 25 on the sideline (at 2500 baht). the sideline girls are generally little prettier, though not all sideliners are prettier than all those behind the glass. i took a while to pick, had a drink (shit, at 140 baht) and eventually settled on a sideliner with big boobies. i paid up at the front desk, then followed the girl up. the room pretty decent; had a round bed and a big oval tub. she started filling the tub with water, but then went out and missing for the next few mins, which annoyed me. when she finally came back, we undressed and i got into the tub. her boobies were round and full, but to my disappointment, also full of silicone. anyway, she bathed me and then did the body slippin'n'sliding soapy on the air mattress. my gosh, it was quite an experience and i was so aroused before i could even flip over! so i stopped her short of her routine and told her i'd like to move on to the bed. we cleaned up and got to bed. she massaged my back and legs and when i flipped over, she gave me a cbj, and then we did our thing. i moved around in a couple positions but blew my load rather quickly. i thought i could get a bit of rest and then go for round two since the session was supposed to be 2 hours. so after my first round, she sat behind me and massaged my head while i lied down. then her phone rang. and she started yapping on it. for like 15 mins. i was very annoyed and told her that i'd prefer her not talking while in session, to which she replied "i talk all the time. " so shortly after that, she got up and said we're done. i'm like "wtf?, it's not even 1. 5hr yet. " but she was clearly not interested and got dressed; so i did too. and then, she asked me for 50baht to pay for the cleaning lady; and i'm like "pppft. uh-huh. " back downstairs, i told the papa-san about my aweful girl, talking on the phone and finishing 30 mins before the 2hr session. he apologized and was surprised to hear about her yapping on the phone.

day 3: nataree soapy, 2000baht + 400baht = 2400baht

on my 3rd day, i checked out the gogo bars at n. e. p. in each bar, there were about 4-6 girls on the stage, not that many. i spotted one that was really cute at rainbow. the bar fine was 600baht and 2000baht for the girl. and 400baht if i wanted to use their room upstairs. holy shit, 3000baht, i thought "hell no! ". so i left and decided to go to another soapy, this time to nataree. i took the mrt and got off at huai kwang station. nataree was just a half block walk down (exit 3, i think). it's a building with 3 separate entrances and 3 separate establishments! i didn't know and walked into the left-most one first. turns out it's not nataree (the name escapes me), but it was a tiny little place with like 8 girls behind a glass. after a couple mins, i walked out. went into the center door this time, and again, it's not nataree, but this one had 12 girls. i walked out again and finally, behind the 3rd door was nataree. nataree had a lot of girls (40+), mostly on the sideline. but this time, i knew better. i picked a girl from the glass for 2000baht. she was 24yrs old, from bangkok, and had pearly white skin; i was in love. the experience was much much better with the girl at nataree. the room, however, was pretty shitty. the carpet is old, wet, and stinky. the bed was small and the bedding was dingy. but nonetheless, my overall experience (with the girl being center) was very good. we did the bathe/air mattress routine and then down to business in bed. i asked this girl if i could do multiple pops and she said yes, but asked for a tip. and i thought, "fine, if you perform well. " she turned out to be very accomodating, though she didn't do bbbj when i asked for a bj. then we did missionary as i loved her soft skin rubbing against mine. after my first load, we washed off and went back to bed. she gave me a massage and we chatted for a while; she gave me tips on where to go for dinner. after a while, i asked her to lie down and i gave her a massage (well, sort of). i aroused her a bit, and went daty on her, which she accepted with much pleasure. i normally don't go daty but this girl was so fine, i was aroused to do it. afterwards, she returned the favor and gave me a bbbj. we then did our 2nd round and i really think she enjoyed the session as much as i did; she was moaning and groaning and i think she came like twice. when we were all done, it was a little bit past the 2hr session. i was very pleased with this girl and tipped her 400baht.

night 3: massage room, 1100baht

after dinner and too many beers that evening, i was on sukhumvit 4, on my way back to my hotel. i was stopped by two girls sitting on chairs on a side street asking me to get a massage. i was buzzed and thought, heck, a massage would do me good to sober up. i opted for the 400baht 1-hr oil massage. the place was dark, without any private rooms, just drapes falling down and dividing up the space. the lady leading me to my space was rather unattractive and i tought "damn, this is going to ruin my massage. " she told me to undress and lie down and then closed the curtains. i thought about just walking out at this point, but for some reason, didn't. before i knew it, i was naked, lying down, and with a small towel over my lower half. i think i kind of dozed off and was awakened by a sweet-sounding voice of a young girl. i turned around to see (in the dark light) a surprisingly cute young girl. ahh, i was pleased, to say the least. she had slim, long fingers with thin arms. but was pretty strong and gave me a good massage. when i flipped over, i was again, dozing off. she continued the massage, but wanted to massage my baby. she tapped my thigh, and hand-signaled "500 baht for handjob. " i didn't wanted a handjob. i signaled back "600 for bbbj" she wanted 1000, and cbj. no deal from me, and i went back to sleep. by now, there was an aussie in a stall next to me. after about 15 mins, the aussie was done. i was like, "holy cow, that was quick. " and my girl giggled and sign-languaged to me the guy probably just came, got a hj, and left. she was back at the bargaining table. once again, signaled "500 for hj, 1000 for cbj" but this time added "topless". so i guess i could play with her boobies while she does the cbj. i still didn't bite. i countered with "700 bbbj, no cim", to which she reluctantly agreed. so she went to work with the bbbj. she was doing good and i was enjoying it very much. but since i just did two pops earlier in the evening, i was taking a while to come. after 15 mins, the girl was still working on my stick and intermittently tried to jerk me off since she was getting tired. i felt for her as i would have taken her another 20 mins of sucking to get me to come, i decided to let her jerk me off, which we was skillfully able to do. i paid her 1100baht and asked her to pay the 400 to the house for the massage. what a good day it has been.

4th night: freelancer, 1500baht

on my last night in bangkok, i hit the gogo bars again but didn't find anything special. i don't think gogo bars is my thing. the girls are a bit snobby and i wasn't very fond of paying the bar fee on top of the payment to the girl (2000+ baht). as i exited nep and walked down suk4, i saw a beautiful girl (5'4", slim, with very pretty and clean face and not much makeup at all) sitting at a table at one of those night-eatery stalls. i've eaten at this stall on my 2nd night so i kind of know the girl selling beer there. i asked the beer girl, "is this your friend? " and she said "yes! you like? " i smiled and sat down with the girl. i asked the lady if she wanted a beer, but she apparently didn't hear/understand me. so i told the beer girl to ask the lady if i could buy her a beer. she did the translation for me and my girl gave me a smile and so i got two beers. we did some chit-chat. i finally asked if she was going somewhere and she said no and that she's waiting for a friend. i then asked her if she wanted to go somewhere (my hotel) with me and gave her a wink. i think that clearly signaled to her my intentions so she asked me straight out if i wanted st or lt. i just wanted st since i had a morning flight the following day. she told me 1500baht for st. i told her that all those ladies standing around across the street from where we sat would take 1000baht. to which she replied, "yes. but i have something they don't. " i didn't ask her what that was, but to me, hell yeah, she was different. she talked in a slow, precise manner and she definitely had a graceful aura around her; she didn't seem desparate at all. after that reply, i was head-over-heels for her and told her "yes, i will pay you 1500. " so we walked to my hotel, she dropped her id off at the front desk (without asking), and we went upstairs. she quickly showered and then i did. we were then in bed together. she turned out to be slimmer than first appeared. but her body was beautiful. i let her lie down while i slowly examined her body with my fingers. it tickled her, but she just slightly twitched and moaned. her boobies were not big, but a nice b cup with big nipples. i gave her daty (again, couldn't resist the flesh) and was returned with a very good bbbj. we then did our thing in several positions, covered of course. at the end, i gave her the 1500baht and saw her off. gosh, i so loved the girl. and in retrospect, i should have screwed the flight and done lt with her! it's not often you meet a girl like that, sigh.

conclusion and lessons-learned:

i only had 4 nights in bangkok so as a newbie decided to try out various venues for sex. bangkok's famous soapies are a must-try and must be experienced! although i learned that:

1) sideliner girls at soapies (for extra $$$) are imho not worth it!

2) better place doesn't mean better girls.

3) i could have skipped the drinks.

4) better talk to the girl up front about multiple pops or she might just walk out on you!

the massage parlors are nice and offer good massages. any kind of additional service is always available.

my best experience in bangkok turned out to be with a freelancer on my last night! i hadn't expected to pick up sw during my trip, but it just happened. i realized that sw are not necessarily all desparate p are o s t i t you t e s, and that you may find a diamond in the rough. for instance, the beautiful girl i met, she has a day job at a bank; and she only comes out to nana once in a while. i believe her because after 3 nights that i was walking up and down suk4, i have started to see some familiar faces; but not hers.

i don't know when i'll be able to hit the streets of bangkok again. but i miss it already.

Kumbu

08-27-10, 06:47

This is my first report on this forum. Been lurking around here for a while, learning from you guys prior to my first trip to Bangkok. Well, I finally made my trip last week! 4 nights in Bangkok, staying at a hotel in Nana, near N. E. P...
My best experience in Bangkok turned out to be with a freelancer on my last night! I hadn't expected to pick up SW during my trip, but it just happened.Well done sir - nice report. FL are often hit and miss, but when you find a beauty, the fact that you picked her up "by chance" kind of adds to the thrill. Makes you feel especially lucky. Nice report, I hope you return to LOS and submit more similar reports.

Mealticket

08-27-10, 08:29

paid asking price of 2500bht stReally, to each his own

But just so you know

No white man (unless he is somehow physically deformed or over, say, 125 kilos) need pay more than 2, 000 ST to ANY go go dancer.

Sprite13

08-27-10, 09:08

-Climax is the Usual Suspect, Soi 11, Ambassador Hotel, as others have mentioned.

PM me if you have any questions, and I look forward to your report(s).

Kumbu, your post filled with awesome tips on regular clubs is golden and I have saved it for when I get to BKK in 2 months time, I"ll make good use of it. If you're still in town at the time, I'd be more than happy to buy you a few drinks to pick your brains while partying.

Thanks again for your awesome contribution.

Cheers.

Bonzo1

08-27-10, 09:58

Sorry guys, but my problem is I don't like negotiating, if I am quoted a price I do not like then I just say no thank you and move on; I am not sure where and what financial situations everyone is from but for me personally negotiating a few hundred baht is not worth my discomfort, I have tried 3 times to negotiate pricing in Thailand, they all ended in no sale, and in all 3 situations I was trying to negotiate not because of pricing but I was doing so for the sake of negotiating, all 3 times I felt uncomfortable and all 3 times I felt like gah that was stupid and a waste of time. Hence, now I do not negotiate, and I am not saying you guys are wrong or anything but for me its not something I want to do and I do not believe it is worth it for me, I am here on vacation and I am here to have fun.

As far as why I paid going price AND tip? Well the going price was what I agreed to pay, the tip? That was for what I considered good to great service, yes I might be overpaying and yes I might be messing up the market for some people but I'm looking at it from the law of averages, theres going to be cheap charlies out there who pay way less and who try to cheat the ladies, so I'm on the other end, I would guess most of you guys fall in the middle so it all averages out, I guess to humor you guys when I go out tomorrow I will try to negotiate ONCE, I'll let you guys know how it goes.

That's often been my experience of negotiating too. I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)

Enjoy yourself man. And don't even think twice about your behavior re: pricing and tips. If anything, be a little looser with your wallet if you please and if you think it will bring you more enjoyment. As I mentioned, it always does for me.

In the meantime, keep posting your experiences. That is actually what has value to others (and is actually the point of this forum...duh.)

Cheers,

-B-

Kumbu

08-27-10, 10:15

Thanks for the kind words.
If you're still in town at the time, I'd be more than happy to buy you a few drinks to pick your brains while partying.How could I pass on that? Sadly, it looks like we will miss each other. I'm planning something for mid September, although nothing is firm yet (except the raging erection at the thought of all the debauchery I will have).

Bolthead

08-27-10, 14:26

Cyberspace

08-27-10, 21:29

I'm also interested in the questions you posed since I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in November. I did a Google search on Galaxy and found some info, however disappointing. I'll leave it to the regular Bangkok board members to verify whether this is accurate, but the following comes from the singeltravel website:

"A Recent Report on Dinning at the Galaxy

... And for dinner I go to the Galaxy No Hands restaurant on Rama IV. The experience is very disappointing.

Contrary to what I'd heard, the eroticism was only the most subtle, was way overpriced, and in general not worth it at all except for the Japanese and Hong Kong businessmen with money to burn that the place seems designed to cater to.

I was led into a private room, took off my shoes and sat on cushions before a sunken table. A very old waiter took my order, a three course chinese meal and a couple of 20 oz bottles of Singha. I then was taken to an outer area where I chose a girl to feed me.

I picked an Isaan girl of 28 with a ready smile dressed in a light orange business suit. We went back to the room and talked some until the order came. And when it did, she simply proceeded to feed me, spooning me mouthfuls of fried rice, chicken with cashews, and prawns, interrupted by the occasional sip of beer. After a while, with my encouragement, she joined me. My hands were mostly at my sides but occasionally rested on her thighs or breasts. She remained fully dressed the whole time, not "scantily clad" as I heard.

It was a pleasant enough time but in no way worth the 1200 baht for the meal plus a 500 baht tip for the mamasan and another 500 for the others. And if you wanted a *one* hour massage from the girl afterwards, the price was 2200 baht plus 400 for the room which was in a cheap hotel you had to walk outside down an alleyway to get to. All this included a 10% added charge for paying by credit card since I never carry that much cash around Bangkok. The bath, massage and fuck were passable but half as long as they should've have been. Had I known I was going to be shelling out nearly 200 US dollars for something this underwelming, vis a vis its reputation, I never would have gone in.

It was about midnight when I left, feeling cheated, and took a taxi back to Sukhumvit to find a bedmate at Thermae for my last night in Bangkok.

I was wondering if there are any places in BKK that have model-type girls available. I suppose I've been spending lots of time with thai (kind of) family and have picked up on their tastes in women: fair skinned, long-limbed model types."

In the Chonburi area they tell me of two places the thai guys go to: Happy World and Galaxy. I haven't been there but maybe someone can describe what those places are like? And do they have anything similaer in BKK (pick a girl, spend an hour or more with her, all in one building)

Timmylamb

08-27-10, 22:31

That's often been my experience of negotiating too. I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)

Enjoy yourself man. And don't even think twice about your behavior re: pricing and tips. If anything, be a little looser with your wallet if you please and if you think it will bring you more enjoyment. As I mentioned, it always does for me.

In the meantime, keep posting your experiences. That is actually what has value to others (and is actually the point of this forum...duh.)

Cheers,

-B-Thanks Bonzo1, appreciate the support, but here's the report from tonight, went to nana rainbow 4, quite a few decent looking ladies nothing in the 9 or 10 range but some pretty ladies, they ranged in age and looks, a couple of nuggy ladies a couple of thin ladies, a couple way over the hill ladies and a couple of barely legal ladies, first lady that approached me I bought her a lady drink quoted 600bht bar fine, 2k short time, tried to negotiate 1500bht short time, she looked at me like I was asking for anal with her mom and sister at the same time LOL, ya it was a tad bit uncomfortable so after a bit she went to dance and I got approached by another chick with her friend, was tempted on the double but decided not to, I asked her how much short time she said 2k, ya not to screw myself on a chick I liked I said sure, so bar fine 600bht short time 2k, tipped 300bht I would have tipped more but LOL spent the rest drinking and stuff.

So basically for any noobies out there 2k baht is retail price for short time pretty much at soi cowboy and nana go go bars, if you got skills you can maybe get 1k or 1500bht, I have no skills I pay 2k LOL, I was at nana liquid disco and was quoted 2k for short time as well by 2 girls so take it for what its worth.

Sprite13

08-27-10, 23:21

Thanks for the kind words.How could I pass on that? Sadly, it looks like we will miss each other. I'm planning something for mid September, although nothing is firm yet (except the raging erection at the thought of all the debauchery I will have).

I'll be in BKK till mid Feb 2011. If you're in town anytime during that time, my offer will still be good. I've been reading your fantastic reports and I've got to admit that reading your reports have been the little push I needed to finally make it to Thailand. My favorite playground is Brasil as I love those bundas on them Brasileiras, but I'm curious to see what Thailand has to offer. So it's only normal and the least I can do to thank you my friend.
Can't wait till I get there!

B9999

08-28-10, 03:13

That's often been my experience of negotiating too. I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)

-B-It's an interesting topic. Basically, I agree. I am very happy to negotiate with taxi drivers, stall holders, etc who will provide me the same goods or service regardless of the price I pay, but I usually don't like to negotiate with P4P providers, because 'screwing' a low price out of a girl can lead to a very poor service. Unlike taxi drivers and stall holders, she is in charge of the quality (and quantity) of service she provides. If she has an expectation of receiving one price, but gets beaten down to a lower price, she can easily retailate by matching the service delivery to her perception of the price paid.

At the same time, I don't want to pay way 'over the odds', so if I price offered doesn't seem reasonable I prefer to pass by waling away rather than to negotiate. Still, I guess walking away really is negotiating isn't it?

Of course, if she's just 'trying it on' and has no real expectation of receiving her high price, then walking away will quickly bring her to offering her services for a realistic price. Knowing the difference between a girl who is just trying it on an on who really expects to be paid a higher than market price is the challenge.

Luckily, it's all great fun! Enjoy.

Cheers,

B

Tymal973

08-28-10, 10:49

Boater Boy

08-28-10, 19:49

BionicMan

08-28-10, 21:44

It's an interesting topic. Basically, I agree. I am very happy to negotiate with taxi drivers, stall holders, etc who will provide me the same goods or service regardless of the price I pay, but I usually don't like to negotiate with P4P providers, because 'screwing' a low price out of a girl can lead to a very poor service. Unlike taxi drivers and stall holders, she is in charge of the quality (and quantity) of service she provides. If she has an expectation of receiving one price, but gets beaten down to a lower price, she can easily retailate by matching the service delivery to her perception of the price paid.
At the same time, I don't want to pay way 'over the odds', so if I price offered doesn't seem reasonable I prefer to pass by waling away rather than to negotiate. Still, I guess walking away really is negotiating isn't it?
Of course, if she's just 'trying it on' and has no real expectation of receiving her high price, then walking away will quickly bring her to offering her services for a realistic price. Knowing the difference between a girl who is just trying it on an on who really expects to be paid a higher than market price is the challenge.
Luckily, it's all great fun! Enjoy.
Cheers,
B

I fully agreed. Walking away is the best negotiation. Hard negotiation will mainly deal to poor service (sort of punishment) but still the girl extracting money out of your pockets.
She goes after the money, so if she fails to get a 1000, she might accept 500, but ultimately she wins with poor service
And will still get some money, without wearing her sexual tools much (with poor service)
If she insist and one walk away she is left empty handed and will satrt to think, after few times, she better review her paramenter, most likely without affecting her service quality.
Necause she will understand that that is the price and still she has to provide the service or she will loose again.

Too hard negotiation will often results in upset girls still being able to grab some money.
So better walkaway, left her upset, but with the time to think why she is rejected.
On the rest, I agree too. If the requested price is outrageously high, drop her. But it is not a few bucks that will change our life.
I had a lovely girl, taken for the second time, and willing to spend LT with me, bothering for half an hour on whether I paid 2 or 300Baht for barfine as she was getting 100baht out of the 300 (but none if bf was 200)
I said: I paid what I have been asked for, I did not negotiated a penny on bf, sort it out with the bar, not my issue, but stop messing with me for 100 baht as I paid bf, period. She was great in bed, she even bought sexy lingerie after the first encounter and brought it along for the second night, as she wanted to be kinky.
So, she even spent money to please, but was obsessed by those 100b!

Etaoin2003

08-28-10, 21:47

I firmly believe it will over paying does have negative affects.

If you're worried about driving up the price, you should worry about price creep, not the occasional big spender.

The occasional big spender actually helps the market by perpetuating the big spender myth. The dream of striking it rich draws more participants into the pool.

This is the psychological principal of intermittent reward, well known to the operators of gambling establishments. Its addicts include not just gamblers but anyone in a strike-it-rich profession: waitresses and Bangkok P4P girls included.

The real danger is price creep. The price is 1000. Then it's 1500. Then it's 2000. Then it's 2500. Pretty soon it's out of control.

El Frances

08-28-10, 22:19

I would differentiate between the case of the girl clearly overpricing (and perfectly knowing that she is overpricing= she thinks youre a sucker) and the other cases (the girl presents the high ceiling price)
In the first case I always walk away. If the girl thinks you are a sucker by quoting an outrageous high price, she will probably not provide a good service at any price.
In the second case, i.e. girl quoting 2000 ST at a NEP GoGo, they all do that and may (or may not) go for 1500 ST, it's worth trying negotiating.

PS Quoting 2000 ST at Nana Liquid seems to me closer to case 1 than case 2

Mr Enternational

08-29-10, 00:16

I usually don't like to negotiate with P4P providers, because 'screwing' a low price out of a girl can lead to a very poor service. Unlike taxi drivers and stall holders, she is in charge of the quality (and quantity) of service she provides. If she has an expectation of receiving one price, but gets beaten down to a lower price, she can easily retailate by matching the service delivery to her perception of the price paid.Seems like you guys are going off in the wrong direction from the start by erroneously working with the presumption that a girl who has a high price = a girl who offers high quality service. Yet and still, we get into the subjectivity of what "high quality service" is. While she may believe in her heart of hearts that she is providing said high quality service, to you, me, or the next monger the same service might be considered shitty at best; and vice-versa.

Each monger and each service provider has their own general price range. I would not be in a certain venue where I knew the girls typically went for 2000 baht trying to talk them down to 1000 baht. I would just go to the venues where the girls were known to be in my 1000 baht price range. Now if they were purposely trying to get me for over the average price then as El Frances said, she either thinks I am a sucker or she does not want to go with me. In either instance thank the king that there is enough of every type sp and monger to go around.

Fast Eddie 48

08-29-10, 00:41

Seems like you guys are going off in the wrong direction from the start by erroneously working with the presumption that a girl who has a high price = a girl who offers high quality service. Yet and still, we get into the subjectivity of what "high quality service" is. While she may believe in her heart of hearts that she is providing said high quality service, to you, me, or the next monger the same service might be considered shitty at best; and vice-versa. Each monger and each service provider has their own general price range. I would not be in a certain venue where I knew the girls typically went for 2000 baht trying to talk them down to 1000 baht. I would just go to the venues where the girls were known to be in my 1000 baht price range. Now if they were purposely trying to get me for over the average price then as El Frances said, she either thinks I am a sucker or she does not want to go with me. In either instance thank the king that there is enough of every type sp and monger to go around.Mr Enternational,

I totally agree with you the hot one is just eyes candy, the one that you pick up at the high end hotel club are lazy and offer average service, they don't try to offer good service, for good service go to massage place like tulip they work on tip offer you the best service but not much to look at.

Fast Eddie 48

EasyEase

08-29-10, 11:32

Hi fellow mongers,

I am on short notice in BKK for about 4 days, I have been here in BKK now about 6 x and know most of the places except 1 that I missed in my previous visits and would love to visit this place. It has been mentioned her in the forum, but since I have short time and some friend is with me I can read throughout the forum.

The place I am searching for and that was mentioned here is a place where I pay a fixed price for 2 girls. Once side of the place offers girls who do anal the other side are normal girls. It is supposed to be run by a french guy and it was described here in the forum as the place where my dreams will come through.

I know this explanation is very vague, but I just can't remember any other detailes but that they will offer anything I would ask for, with 2 girls at a fixed price.

Any help is appreciated.

Regards,

Easyease

FlyingVisitor

08-29-10, 11:33

last year,

i went few times in a place located in sukumvit called "[CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)" and specialized also in blow job services. it was really great with diferents profile of girls and i would like to have more information about if others bars like this exists in bangkok?

awaiting punters answers.

well, here is my answer:
there is only one paramount place: sol in patpong ii.
you will find an excellent technique by experienced girls (one or more), and you will get your "treatment" in a public atmosphere under the direct view of other ladies and customers. very stimulating !
the service of course is bare back; and -if you feel the need- you can immediately switch to full service after getting blown for some time. (also bb is possible).
you can ask for any type of service since nothing is new to the girls.
go there and, please, report to us!
enjoy and give greetings to my favourite place.
fv

Chill Out

08-29-10, 12:27

I'll cross-post this from the Safe Sex thread, as this will be useful to people freshly arriving in Bangkok.

On my very first time with a prostitute, I had condoms break on me THREE times in a row in the span of a few minutes. This was after years of 100% constant condom use (with girlfriends) with no breaking whatsoever. It happened in Nana a few months ago.

How did this happen? Well, in China, where I live, I always buy an orange box of Durex. They are called Durex Together here, they are extra lubricated and of normal thickness.

In Thailand I naturally reached for the exact same box, exact same packaging, also by Durex.

Only after having broken condoms 3 times within 10 mins did I read the fine print. It turns out the orange Durex condoms in Thailand are NOT extra lubricated, AND they are of the extra thin variety (and possibly calibrated smaller too, I'm not sure).

Why Durex packages condoms at opposite ends of the spectrum under the exact same packaging is anyone's guess.

For subsequent sessions, I bought normal condoms and brought my own lubricant and had no further problems.

The lesson: always read the fine print, gentlemen. Always read the fine print.

Run Mann

08-29-10, 22:33

Guido88

08-29-10, 22:42

Thanks Bonzo1, appreciate the support, but here's the report from tonight, went to nana rainbow 4, quite a few decent looking ladies nothing in the 9 or 10 range but some pretty ladies, they ranged in age and looks, a couple of nuggy ladies a couple of thin ladies, a couple way over the hill ladies and a couple of barely legal ladies, first lady that approached me I bought her a lady drink quoted 600bht bar fine, 2k short time, tried to negotiate 1500bht short time, she looked at me like I was asking for anal with her mom and sister at the same time LOL, ya it was a tad bit uncomfortable so after a bit she went to dance and I got approached by another chick with her friend, was tempted on the double but decided not to, I asked her how much short time she said 2k, ya not to screw myself on a chick I liked I said sure, so bar fine 600bht short time 2k, tipped 300bht I would have tipped more but LOL spent the rest drinking and stuff.

So basically for any noobies out there 2k baht is retail price for short time pretty much at soi cowboy and nana go go bars, if you got skills you can maybe get 1k or 1500bht, I have no skills I pay 2k LOL, I was at nana liquid disco and was quoted 2k for short time as well by 2 girls so take it for what its worth.

Timmylamb

It's great you are having a good time. Enjoy reading the reports.

My concern is the next 500 + ISG mongers that read it takes 2,000-3,000 baht ST to get laid will use that price point. Next the girls will ask 3,500 then 4,000 things will only go up from that point.

I have watched this occur in several prime mongering locations. 5 years ago pricing was a big discussion on the Moscow board. Now the current discussion is that Moscow is no longer worth a shit for mongering. Much of Moscow's current issues are due current unrealistic pricing.

You will see the same happen in Bangkok as well.

Better approach is paying the normal price then if you feel you got great service tip the girl.

When a monger overpays the girl realizes she has a sucker and begins to play games, short time the service and will generally provide poor service.

Reading your reports I sense you are a monger newbie. Part of ISG is a guide for correct pricing in any locale.... You and Bonzo may not be able to negotiate to save your lives and choose to overpay, that's your choice. When pussy in BKK is 10,000 baht ST please think back on this discussion.

It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market.

I enjoy negotiating. Can't be hurting the girls too badly when they keep coming back multiple times. I always tip the good performers and have had them stay double time or even into the next evening.

Every dollar I save is one less dollar I have to earn AND one more dollar I can spend on women.

Best of luck

Guido88

Timmylamb

08-29-10, 23:03

Stew2

08-30-10, 01:29

Unless you are Japanese the selection is quit limited. Most of the lookers will literally only talk to Japanese men.

Are gems to be found, but far and few between.

Also, as previously noted, you will see the same gals from Thermae trolling the Nana parking lot.

Henryv- I have not had that experience. Maybe 1 out of 3 or 4 will turn her nose up at a western man ;like me, but I have had no problem finding what I wanted at Thermae. I know a lot of guys say this, but maybe it is a matter of taste - which girls one is going for?

Barko

08-30-10, 03:25

Timmylamb

It's great you are having a good time. Enjoy reading the reports.

My concern is the next 500 + ISG mongers that read it takes 2,000-3,000 baht ST to get laid will use that price point. Next the girls will ask 3,500 then 4,000 things will only go up from that point.

I have watched this occur in several prime mongering locations. 5 years ago pricing was a big discussion on the Moscow board. Now the current discussion is that Moscow is no longer worth a shit for mongering. Much of Moscow's current issues are due current unrealistic pricing.

You will see the same happen in Bangkok as well.

Better approach is paying the normal price then if you feel you got great service tip the girl.

When a monger overpays the girl realizes she has a sucker and begins to play games, short time the service and will generally provide poor service.

Reading your reports I sense you are a monger newbie. Part of ISG is a guide for correct pricing in any locale.... You and Bonzo may not be able to negotiate to save your lives and choose to overpay, that's your choice. When pussy in BKK is 10,000 baht ST please think back on this discussion.

It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market.

I enjoy negotiating. Can't be hurting the girls too badly when they keep coming back multiple times. I always tip the good performers and have had them stay double time or even into the next evening.

Every dollar I save is one less dollar I have to earn AND one more dollar I can spend on women.

Best of luck

Guido88Hey Guido88,

Don't you feel that Moscow's economic explosion had more to do with the rapidly bloated 'localized' pricing than did visiting mongers overpaying themselves into an upward spiral? Controlling a mass of suddenly rich locals ready to blow their money on ho's every night is impossible. This could happen anywhere though, even Bangkok. (The Thais are bragging their brains out about how much they are paying for everything right now, and making rooster crows over THEIR OWN super hot economy. Never a good sign.)

Thai local mongering venues seem to be holding prices steady at the moment, and the reality is Thai. Thai P4P represents over 90% of the market. (No, we are not talking soapies, oilies or bars, more on that at some point in the future.)

"It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market. " This simple statement is perfection, thank you Guido88.

My own way of negotiating is dependent on the location. At bars I do a drawdown rate of 20%, then normally award the original asking price by way of tip. I keep the original price and the amount of the tip as completely separate entities. If the girl provides an exceptionally fun and sexy experience, I tip very well, but again, I keep the amount of the tip in specific terms. I see discos and late night clubs as an anomaly. I feel that the entire scene is a con, built around what pricepoint the customer will allow himself to be seduced to. I normally get freebies in multiples at discos, but generally I have to admit that probably costs more and again, generally, it isn't very good sex, (chicks very sexy and super hot for about 20 minutes, cum, fall asleep for a couple of hours, then split = Thai style, but I have to blame a good part of this on the amount of alcohol consumed.) I know others that have paid 6, 000 to 8, 000+ Baht at discos without caring a whit. I don't feel that those guys are pushing prices up across the board at all, in their own sphere possibly, yes, but not in general.

Much to say on this subject.

Again, I feel that a raise in pricing is based more on local economy allowances rather than a what a few suckers tell themselves what they can afford compared to their own pricing at home.

Monopoly

08-30-10, 04:39

Gentlemen,

All these reports about 3000ST, etc. are very, very disturbing. My question is has there really been a permanent price increase for BKK p4p or is this all just some foolish people throwing around crazy money??

Is the normal rate still 1000-1500ST/1500-2000LT in most go-go's, etc??

There also seem to be people here who are trying to "talk up" the rate for p4p in BKK. Almost as if they actually WANT to see the price increase!?? Why are they doing that?? What is their motive?

There is supposedly a major recession in many faranglands; but yet many farangs are throwing more and more baht at these girls when they arrive in LOS. Why?? Where is all this wealth comming from?

Amjeck

08-30-10, 05:06

Mr Enternational

08-30-10, 06:43

Most thai girls (especially bkk) will always shoot high and unfortunately most guys will pay it. Pussy in bkk has been getting more expensive every year and will continue to do so as long as men continue to pay high prices. My last trip to nana I had a couple of girls quote 2500 ST. I was a bit shocked and insulted! Most of the girls in Nana will do ST for 1500 and some will go lower. As was the case when I was last in BKK in July of last year. When I b*ched about one girl's pricing in the Nana lot she told me this is Bangkok not Pattaya. Bangkok is more expensive. I told her that was exactly why I was taking my ass to Pattaya tomorrow. Needless to say I only did non-pros in those couple of days. I've been to Pattaya many times since and do not see myself returning to BKK unless I'm with a newbie.

El Greco

08-30-10, 07:18

As was the case when I was last in BKK in July of last year. When I b*ched about one girl's pricing in the Nana lot she told me this is Bangkok not Pattaya. Bangkok is more expensive. I told her that was exactly why I was taking my ass to Pattaya tomorrow. Needless to say I only did non-pros in those couple of days. I've been to Pattaya many times since and do not see myself returning to BKK unless I'm with a newbie.

So far my landing point on my way to SEAsia was BKK. I always plan a 3-4 days stay there and my favorites are the soapies and oilies for one or two afternoon/evening sessions and that's it. Tulip, Annies, Chavala and Chaopaya 2 are the "must visit" for me with a couple more places each time for a change. Prices in baht have remained almost the same for the last few years in those establishments.

I prefer to enjoy my bed alone lately in BKK.

Speed Touch

08-30-10, 08:43

Yes, I understand what you are saying Guido, and you are right, I am a noobie at this. But, due to lack of skill and probably because I have the word 'sucker' tatooed on my forehead I have not been able to get 1500bht anywhere in BKK. In Pattaya I was quoted that for LT, but thats another story, I have read guys have paid 1500 normally for ST. I would hope anyone else would research and if they do read my post know that I paid asking price, I'm just posting to give people an idea of what to my experiences were. I know alot of postings here have helped me so hopefully what I post will help someone else.

Does seem like prices BKK for LT have shot up without me realising. I kicked out a disco girl last night who would not budge from her 3000 baht.... maybe i should have negotiated before to avoid such problems back in the room.

Times have changed... perhaps I'll head off the Pattaya !

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 11:17

Dear Jackson:

On behalf of many of us here who are sick and tired of these forums being littered with pages upon pages of diatribes about "overpaying,” disparaging and admonishing comments to other members, and the futile, delusional belief that ISG members are able to control the market, I would like to make a case for implementing new policy regarding this topic.

A simple skim of the archives (for instance, going back to Bangkok 2002) shows that prices have changed very little since 8 years ago, meanwhile the same beliefs (I stress this word, "beliefs") and reprimands of a few paranoid, antagonistic, self-elected “ruling” members clutter the board, and in some instances hold it hostage, for days or in some cases weeks at a time. This happens month after month, year after year, on every major forum.

It is not necessary, I believe, to repeatedly debate and refute these members’ hypocritical and irrational beliefs about how markets actually function, their role in these markets not as government but as participants, nor the academics of market behavior: they are not open to rational discourse in the first place and clearly are posting their ad hominem and their often dubious anecdotes simply to gripe, monger in fear, prophesize doom, and gain comfort from the company of other believers. This borders on religious evangelization and certainly is not what many of us want to be subjected to or participate in on ISG.

I would like to reference ISG’s policy on “safe sex” as it already responds appropriately to a very similar problem. Here it is verbatim, with one insertion by me in brackets:

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It does no good to criticize members for not following what other members may consider to be safe sex [pricing & payment] practices for the following reasons:

1. It never serves to change any one's behavior.
2. It's a disincentive for members to contribute.
3. It almost always leads to arguments.
4. It provides a "cover" for Serial Antagonists to provoke other members.

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However, since there is also much interest in the subject of pricing in general and since that can have substantial value, I would like to propose the following:

A. Comments in the main forums about pricing be suggestive and informative, but not condemning, disparaging, or authoritative.

B. All debates and officious remarks about what prices “should” be, what people “should” pay, griping about inflation/overpayers/tipping/etc., and otherwise preaching and admonishing behavior of other members, be either a) banned, or b) held in a separate thread.

Respectfully submitted for your consideration.

Bonzo

Run Mann

08-30-10, 11:30

Bonzo1,

Great suggestion but its unlikely Jackson will see your letter posted here as he does not appear to read these pages with any type of consistency. Suggest you post it in the Letters to the Editor section, under Site Administration on the main page.

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 11:39

Daddy07

08-30-10, 12:37

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 12:55

Aww, come on, Bonzo … with all due respect and no disparagement intended, don’t you think you’re becoming a bit hysterical over this issue? Now we need official regulations about the discussion of over/under payment opinions? I mean, I agree with you that big spenders don’t affect the market exactly as the cheap Charlie’s complain, but do you really want to stifle their opinions merely because they differ from yours? That’s a little drastic, isn’t it?

Does this mean that if a poster reports that he paid 100 baht to a baht bus driver to go four blocks on Beach Road in Pattaya, the next poster should think twice about telling the guy he overpaid by 90 baht, for fear of getting banned?

Some posters here have actually THANKED other posters for pointing out that they overpaid for this or that service, including sexual services. Such advice, even though it might seem disparaging, can be regarded as a real benefit to the membership. Certainly, we all retain the right to agree or disagree with any opinions expressed by posters and I think it would be wise to keep it that way.

With all due respect, not at all.

1. I'm not talking about a few innocuous comments here and there, or even the helpful advice -- I'm talking about the disparaging, whining, authoritative posts that repeatedly occur not only on the BKK forum but on pretty much every forum. It's a broken record, in more ways that one.

2. Many other members have requested the very same thing, for years, across all forums.

3. See my analogy to the safe sex policies. What you wrote could apply just as easily to that subject, yet there is a policy for it -- for good reason.

4. I am differentiating between comments and useful advice about prices (e.g. your bus example, and your THANKED observation) versus the preachy condemnations and irrational beliefs about "spoiling the market," the latter which are clutter at best, and at worst antagonistic and serve to discourage people from posting their real experiences.

5. The only alternative I suppose would be to consider having the debates, futilely, ad naseum and ad inifinitum. Personally I think 8+ years is more than long enough already, and a simple policy addition (which actually really isn't even an addition since it's part of the ISG rules to not be antagonizing already) could spare us all the clutter and harassment.

I do agree that there's a bit of a fine line and perhaps would be a bit hard to really enforce, but anything to discourage it would be beneficial, I think.

All the best,

-B-

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 13:07

Pretty fun place. I was surprised, by comparison to my former visits there years before when it was Nana Disco or something like that, by the quality of lookers there (perhaps just my limited experience).

Took home two on separate nights. First was a dud with huge stretch marks. Actually it wasn't entirely her bad as I was pretty drunk, but we just weren't clicking. Second was a great gal, though not really one of the stunners to be frank - I chose her primarily because I enjoyed her company, which is what I wanted that night.

Neither ever mentioned price. I gave the first 500 to leave, i.e. we fooled around a bit but never had sex (in retrospect that was a bit cheap of me since she did try, but also I pulled her quite late and she probably wouldn't have gotten any other business anyway, I suppose,) and the second I gave 2000 for ST plus 100 cab fare. The first was not too happy but didn't make a huge fuss, and the second thanked me profusely.

Overall I think it is a good late night option, especially for those staying in the lower Suk area. My guess, and it's purely a guess, is that prices would range from 1000 to 3000, ST or LT, depending on the girl and the time of night, though I imagine there is better info on that elsewhere here (I haven't looked.)

-B-

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 13:18

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 13:26

I knew I was forgetting something...but how I forgot this one I have no idea. I made a third trip to Bossy earlier this month (actually it was the first trip of this batch about which I'm reporting), after a night at Pent, and holy cow was it off the hook!! Met a girl who was passing through BKK on her way from some remote village to another, who claimed (later) to have not been laid for over a year and was very picky. Somehow we clicked and partied with her friend for a while, then back to my hotel, where she put on quite a show, highlighted by requesting a beer, then giving me BBBJ while alternating between drinking the beer and using it to provide a "cooling pleasure" to me, and then she proceeded to use the beer bottle as a dildo (on herself, to be clear). Finally ended up fucking her brains out and then wanted to COF, so she re-inserted the beer bottle while I finished.

Has anyone else had this happen before? This is gonna sound incredible but it's actually the second time a girl I've taken home in BKK has dildo'd herself with a beer bottle (first time was in March.) Is it a new thing going around? Here's to hoping!

No money ever mentioned. I asked her to leave sometime around 6am so I could catch some zzz's, and slipped 3000 in her purse. She saw the money and said, "I wasn't going to ask you for money, but thanks." Worth every baht.

That's it for tonight. Need to get some dinner. More updates on Escorts and Gogo experiences later in the week.

Happy trails.

-B-

LittleBigMan

08-30-10, 13:50

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 14:07

In all Due respect Bonzo1!

I would have to agree with Daddy07, and I do respect what you have to say regarding overpaying and I personal don't really care if anyone overpays or not as long as they are having a good time. I don't think a few who overpay or underpay is going to control the market one way or the other. But I do believe that they have the right to express their opinions in this forum. Forum to me is define as a discussion and not something that is suppose to be all good and rosie and black and white! ISG isn't a sex site that is only a FAQ, questions are ask and they are answer sometimes it requires more but I don't think in this particular discussion at this time anyone is being targeted unfairly and if that came across in that matter the person have already apologise and explain himself.

In fact the topic like always was dying down until you wrote your comments to Jackson in this General thread doing exactly what you accuse and reprimand others as to their " belief, paranoid, and hypocritical. From writing your post you could easily be accused being paranoid etc... since you don't share the opposite opinion of others. I get the impression that because you don't share the opinion of overpaying you decided to reprimand others because you personal don't want to hear it and if that is the case you indirectly are trying to control the board with opinions that suit your taste! That I think is wrong!

When you use your reference in ISG " safe sex " if I got it right certainly can be applied to your own views.

" It does no good to criticize member etc.... "

Line 1 thru 4 you quoted can easily be apply to your comments to Jackson?

In the end, from reviewing some of your post I get the impression that you can go cheap or expensive and I say kudos to you but allow those that can't and have a good reason express them just as you should be allow to express yours. And if you can't then like you I want to speak for the many who are also sick of others complaining and trying to control the board to their own liking by reprimanding others who disagree and wanting to create more and more thread? because they want to hear what they want to hear and have easy access to specific information to their question.

Personally I don't care what any of you do because there is just too much pussy in this country and if someone is too harsh or a S.A. the board has enough bodies already that will report a individual to Jackson but this topic doesn't warrant another useless thread for whatever reason! You have a decision to make in my opinion if this site doesn't suit your opinion but like you said where are you going to go " every major forum "? and for some reason you still come back for more since 2005!

That is just my 2 plus cent but in due respect to you Mr. Bonzo1, when it comes to creating more thread I have to agree to disagree!

LBM

Hi LBM

You raise some good points for sure. I am yearning to end this discussion and move on to greener pastures, so I'll just reply to a few (no disrespect intended by not addressing everything.)

1. To reiterate, I'm addressing the futility of the debate, and more importantly the effect that the all-too-present condemnation of a members' behaviors has on the benefit of the forum to all (see Guido's initial post of this chain, where he is castigating another member, which is what started this chain -- this is far from an isolated example.)

2. I'm not criticizing a member but rather a (ubiquitous) behavior. I have no beef against Guido or anyone else in any other respect than this topic. In fact, I have never written anything to him, but rather commented in general. That said, I can see your point.

3. I'm not intending to be antagonistic in response but rather as clear and compelling as I can be. However, I can see how my responses can (easily) be taken that way, to which I'll both say that it's not my intention and also that unfortunately this entire topic almost always leads to a fight.

4. Note that I, and probably no one or exceedingly few people, have ever posted a criticism of someone who negotiated well or paid less than I do. Perhaps the only caveat to this is when someone has ripped off a girl. These discussions and debates ALWAYS start with someone (as Run Mann dubbed them, "the price police") complaining or criticizing about overpaying and/or spoiling the market. Occasionally I or another person tries to point out both the errors in reasoning and the futility, but always it is about "overpayers" -- there is zero litter from "the other side" about "underpayers." This responds to your assertion about me (and presumably the others that share my views) actually being hypocrites and doing the very thing we claim to be decrying (bullying the forum for our own views) - as is well-evidenced throughout the forums, this is absolutely not the case -- everyone welcomes information about prices without critique. It's their critiques of others (and their bogus theories about markets) that we are tired of having to endure. Your point is that I have a right to mention that, and I agree. My approach is, after my first post did no good (as predicted,) to send a letter to Jackson asking for his consideration, not to terrorize the forum from here until the end of time (as the price police do). Frankly, if Jackson denies my request I'll simply live with it and try to ignore the nonsense and insults, but I contend the forum would be a better place for all if the behaviors of the few price police were curtailed or properly quarantined. IMHO.

5. Who knows when this would "die down." It raises its head over and over again, and without a policy there's zero chance of it really dying down, ever.

6. I am far from the first person to make this observation or request.

In summary, I'm simply asking for something that already exists as part of ISG policy -- i.e. no flaming, antagonism, and disparaging other members. In accordance with (wise) ISG policy, this actually does benefit all members.

-B-

PS - I will refrain from posting any further remarks, including especially those that I realize are coming across as antagonistic. And regardless of differences in views and my hopes of a better forum, I have no other bone to pick with those who stand on other sides of this issue. All the best.

BionicMan

08-30-10, 14:19

Run Mann

08-30-10, 14:20

With all due respect, not at all.

1. I'm not talking about a few innocuous comments here and there, or even the helpful advice -- I'm talking about the disparaging, whining, authoritative posts that repeatedly occur not only on the BKK forum but on pretty much every forum. It's a broken record, in more ways that one.

2. Many other members have requested the very same thing, for years, across all forums.

3. See my analogy to the safe sex policies. What you wrote could apply just as easily to that subject, yet there is a policy for it -- for good reason.

4. I am differentiating between comments and useful advice about prices (e.g. your bus example, and your THANKED observation) versus the preachy condemnations and irrational beliefs about "spoiling the market," the latter which are clutter at best, and at worst antagonistic and serve to discourage people from posting their real experiences.

5. The only alternative I suppose would be to consider having the debates, futilely, ad naseum and ad inifinitum. Personally I think 8+ years is more than long enough already, and a simple policy addition (which actually really isn't even an addition since it's part of the ISG rules to not be antagonizing already) could spare us all the clutter and harassment.

I do agree that there's a bit of a fine line and perhaps would be a bit hard to really enforce, but anything to discourage it would be beneficial, I think.

All the best,

-B-

For whatever its worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The points you outlined are logically coherent and if implemented your suggestion would benefit the forum membership. However, I fear you may be up against it so to speak in terms of getting Admin to agree to your recommendation for a variety of reasons not even worth discussing. The price police have been on this board ineffectively excoriating members for years for violating the so call market rate. Some people are happiest when they are complaining a la Andy Rooney and this is an easy issue to complain about.

BionicMan

08-30-10, 15:11

Aww, come on, Bonzo … with all due respect and no disparagement intended, don’t you think you’re becoming a bit hysterical over this issue? .Having followed up a bit I tend to agree on Bonzo, in general.
If Bonzo looks hysterical, also the usual comments he points out are hysterical too
He clarifies very well in the later post
What I dont agree is to create a special forum on the forum ref prices
Otherwise we end up in tens of sub-categories, loosing the thread of the talks
A bit like the photo chit-chat
I agree a photo gallery has to have photos, but some (reasonable) comments should go in it, not somewhere else, otherwise it becomes not much intelligble

LittleBigMan

08-30-10, 15:52

For whatever its worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The points you outlined are logically coherent and if implemented your suggestion would benefit the forum membership. However, I fear you may be up against it so to speak in terms of getting Admin to agree to your recommendation for a variety of reasons not even worth discussing. The price police have been on this board ineffectively excoriating members for years for violating the so call market rate. Some people are happiest when they are complaining a la Andy Rooney and this is an easy issue to complain about.

Bonzo1,

As written above by Run Mann, your view are well taken and written I have no problem with that. And as you noted " 8 years " and it continues everyone has a pet pea and I will also agree there are more support for lower prices and maybe that is why Wal-mart is so popular, why Soi 6, is so popular, and now the bush in South Pattaya is getting lots of talk? believe it or not FS goes for 200 baht and a guy said he gave 300 and got ripped?

From what I read you have more option than the majority of us and surely that includes me. And if I was you and I believe many of the others who want to keep prices down had your ability we would turn to being a hypocrite and do the same. Maybe we are just jealous? Always a truth in eveyrthing.

I can only speak for myself... I see many of the old guys on this board are just bored and with old age we get gumpie from time to time and Viagra has given many of us a second chance but comes with lots of side affects? one which might be mood swings making us attack others without much provocation. I also believe that majority of Expats are on limited income and with the strength of the baht it's scary to us senile fools that our paradise is slowly being overprice by a few? So we attack like a pack of wolves but at the same time we love it cause it give us a jolt of energy!

Personally speaking I live in candy land but can go months just looking and not partake in such sinful activity! Currently in Monk training while I know a crazy rabbit is in town going crazy!

Enjoy mates! good discussion but LBM is out of here............

BionicMan

08-30-10, 16:17

Hi LBM

4. ...... -- there is zero litter from "the other side" about "underpayers." ... All the best.
Indeed sometime I am tempted to comment about the "underpayers", lol, as sometime there is pride in paying a providerfar less than expected (and in ful honesty sometime they get the s**t back!) or like those being over criticism on havint to pay 500B for a (residential) room and not the old 350....
I mean...150B difference extra per day....! come on!
If I would be in such an economical bad situation of not being able to afford an extra 150 a day extra for a (residential) room, I would question my capacity to spend time in mongering or having holidays there or somewhere else.

Guido88

08-30-10, 16:59

Bonzo1

You are well entitled to your opinion as am I but you seem to be getting more than a little upset over a simple discussion. Like it or not pricing is a part of the International Sex Guide.

There are other opinions than yours.....

IMHO Negotiation is so highly ingrained into the Asian culture its amazing that any purchase would be made at the ticketed price.

Rather than continue the rant we can probably topic lay this to bed and not waste further bandwidth. Been plenty of input from both trains of thought on this subject.

Guido88

Barko

08-30-10, 17:16

the only alternative i suppose would be to consider having the debates, futilely, ad naseum and ad inifinitum.take this post with a grain of salt, while i agree with you on principle bonzo1, the reality of splintering is hardly a solution.

this is thailand, this is bangkok.

canki sutta:

"o how they cling and wrangle, some who claim
for preacher and monk the honored name!
for, quarreling, each to his view they cling.
such folk see only one side of a thing"

or possibly, consider the rashomon effect: if subjectivity of perception is everything, therefore without a base in reality, then subjectivity becomes everyone's token reality. if i tell you that it is raining, will your clothes then be wet? yes, even if it's not really raining.

now think of the hindu: "a number of blind men came to an elephant...."

what would this board be without discussion? would it end up being about the size of your penis, or maybe how far you can [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134), or possibly how many times you can get anal from an ugly gimp nana parking lot streetwalker that you and your buddies managed to gang bang for $3? ok well then, how many times can you hear the same story told by different people?

so what you are saying here is that you are looking for all members to post in what will be, by definition, your idea of a sex bbs?

this is bangkok. it's hot, it's steamy, it's crazy. it isn't a fairy tail (no matter how it's painted for the tourists today.)

"we are anthill men upon an anthill world."
ray bradbury

agreeing and disagreeing on what a person sees and feels here takes at least some of the subjectivity out of the equation. even while experiencing what could be a fantasy for one but a poor mundane excuse of a childish epithet of absolute abject boredom for others. is the only thing that matters your own definition of reality? real honest reality? no definitely not. impossible. ergo, discussion is everything, therefore i say, what would this bangkok board be without all of it?

while i understand what it is you are saying, be careful what you wish for bonzo. this is bangkok.

Frazer

08-30-10, 17:21

Hi Bonzo:

I intentionally waited some days before posting this reply as I wanted to avoid the flame effect. However, I am happy to see that the topic is still hot.

There are many of us that wish Jackson would just move all such posts into another thread; I suggest it be entitled, "Whining about Prices. "Well, judging from the attention that this thread has drawn, I think that Jackson won't move anything.

One may tip as one wishes. Better said people WILL tip as they wish regardless of what YOU wish or decry. And despite others' views about what is "overpaying" (one word)? Why, sorry? How can you conclude that nobody is influenced by posts such as Guido's? I am sure there are plenty of people who adjusted their paying approach based on the input of more expert mongers.

If you and people only exactly like you existed, the market would not. In fact, tips also create the illusion (and in many cases the reality) of prospect for the girls, which draws more to the market.The market would not exist without tips? You must be joking, right? Girls become prostitutes because of:

- poverty

- lack of education/competencies to get a sufficient salary

- unemployment

- need of cash during the studies

- no future for their children, especially once their are left by the father

- lack of a pension for their parents

- quest for the white knight who will solve all their problems

- etc

And not because of your big tips.

And even if some started because of the farang who paid 10K bht short time to their best friend, why you think that they would remain in the market in the long term and accepting a normal price?

And the market, especially one as large as this one, develops around the different price points. Always has and always will, provided outside factors such as LE don't interfere. Pricing is NOT an outside factor but an intrinsic one.

Assuming by "precedent" you mean affecting the market and not the consciousness of the "rest of us": no, it does not.Ok, so your point is that overpaying (one word, as you say) intended as accepting higher prices than those commonly practiced and tipping do not affect the market price because the latter already incorporates these practices, right?

Again, why? What evidence do you bring to support your conclusion? In order to corroborate such statement one should have identified the market segments and their weight. Then for each of them (or the most relevant ones) should have analysed the structure and flexibility of the demand and supply. Then the shock (overpayment): is it common, is it rare? Is its amount big or not compared to the market price? Etc etc.

You see where I am going? I don't know whether you are right or not but since (to my knowledge) no relevant econometric studies exist, what you sell as a fact is just an opinion. As such it is worth neither more nor less than Guido's (overpayment affects the market price) and in no case justifies the aggressive tone of your reply to his post. IMO of course.

Facts are that in the years prices in some market segments (or niches) have augmented a lot (e. G. Gogos, Thermae.), while in others have not (SW, massages.).

My impression is that the big price increase took place in the most visible/ saftest "sectors" where it is more likely to meet the occasional punter or the newby.

Also, negotiation, or lack thereof, is each person's own prerogative, and regardless of how much you cry about it that REALITY is NEVER going to change. If you can't accept this then don't play the game. And stop wasting forum space bitching about it.As I said before some persons' attitude and behaviour do change following the suggestions. However here I recognise that you have a point. People won't go against their nature in order to save few Euro or to preserve the mongering environment for the expatriates. This said, tolerance should be applied in both senses, also to those who like to remind the others what their idea of the mongering etiquette is. Especially, Bonzo, because we are blasted full time by people trying to convince us that 4 or 5000 bht is a fair price for a LT with a gogo dancer or that it is just normal to pay a tip to one or two or three girls who decided to sit with us (maybe uninvited and after they got their overpriced drinks.), or to the mamasan (a pimp) who makes the girls dance in the proper order or to the waiter who laughs to your jokes without understanding them, etc etc

And finally since this topic is a recurrent one (I quote you) "If you can't accept this then don't play the game (ignore the posts). And stop wasting forum space bitching about it. "

Meanwhile, I've said this before. If overpaying ruined the market, as you say, then it would actually be incentive for people with more money to intentionally overpay and thus get rid of the competition (I. E. You) and keep the better girls for themselves.I read your sentence and I see the Thermae.

the girls really appreciate guys who aren't cheap and give fantastic service (at time) in response. And it's easier to attract them.

So my "tip" to the board in general is that if you are uncomfortable with negotiating, instead, cast off your worries about a few meaningless dollars, negotiate a little if you like, and then tip well (waitresses, mamas, girls, everyone). And/or offer extra money for extra services (photos, movies, rimming, CIM, COF, anal, whatever).I fully agree with you on the tips against extra services. If you go to Tulip, have 4 shots, great blowjobs, rimming, catbath, dfk, then you bang her up the arse and pay only 1500 bht in my opinion you are an arsehole (one word, right?).

But I would be a bit more cautious about the tips to people who basically do nothing for you. According to my experience thai people (including the middle/high classes) are extremely attentive consumers. They pay a lot of attention to the value for their money (even for negligible amounts), get mad when they understand they have overspent or missed an opportunity and they do-not-tip. All in all, I would say that they do not have a high opinion of those who throw away their money. That's why I am one of those who believe that high requests often come with poor performance.

Guido88

08-30-10, 17:36

Hey Guido88,

Don't you feel that Moscow's economic explosion had more to do with the rapidly bloated 'localized' pricing than did visiting mongers overpaying themselves into an upward spiral? Controlling a mass of suddenly rich locals ready to blow their money on ho's every night is impossible. This could happen anywhere though, even Bangkok. (The Thais are bragging their brains out about how much they are paying for everything right now, and making rooster crows over THEIR OWN super hot economy. Never a good sign.)

Thai local mongering venues seem to be holding prices steady at the moment, and the reality is Thai. Thai P4P represents over 90% of the market. (No, we are not talking soapies, oilies or bars, more on that at some point in the future.)

"It's also our prerogative to point this out that you are overpaying for the local market. " This simple statement is perfection, thank you Guido88.

My own way of negotiating is dependent on the location. At bars I do a drawdown rate of 20%, then normally award the original asking price by way of tip. I keep the original price and the amount of the tip as completely separate entities. If the girl provides an exceptionally fun and sexy experience, I tip very well, but again, I keep the amount of the tip in specific terms. I see discos and late night clubs as an anomaly. I feel that the entire scene is a con, built around what pricepoint the customer will allow himself to be seduced to. I normally get freebies in multiples at discos, but generally I have to admit that probably costs more and again, generally, it isn't very good sex, (chicks very sexy and super hot for about 20 minutes, cum, fall asleep for a couple of hours, then split = Thai style, but I have to blame a good part of this on the amount of alcohol consumed.) I know others that have paid 6, 000 to 8, 000+ Baht at discos without caring a whit. I don't feel that those guys are pushing prices up across the board at all, in their own sphere possibly, yes, but not in general.

Much to say on this subject.

Again, I feel that a raise in pricing is based more on local economy allowances rather than a what a few suckers tell themselves what they can afford compared to their own pricing at home.

Hey Barko

To answer your question.

From what I observed it was the realization by the girls and their pimps (Cops) that clients would pay any price for the prime light skinned women RU has to offer. Did not matter how ridicules the $ the girls quoted some fool would pay.

The other change I saw is that service started to slip hard.

The locals were not overpaying. The ratio of single women to men in Moscow makes it pretty easy for a local man with a few rubles to score free pussy. Only the mongers and scores of visiting businessmen wanting to satisfy the RU stunner fantasy are shelling out the big cash.

Identical pricing arguments on the RU ISG board regarding pricing 2003-2006. Now the consensus in Moscow in no longer a monger's paradise unless he wants to spend $500-1,000 a night.

I see many similarities between Moscow then and BKK now.

Guido88

HenryV

08-30-10, 18:09

It appears to me the seminal purpose of this board, the exchange of information, for the most part has broken down. I respect self-expression as much as the next guy, however, it appears the primary purpose of this board has morphed into just that. Add to that a rude, unprofessional e mail from the administrator.

I seriously doubt I would even renew next year.

For whatever its worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you. The points you outlined are logically coherent and if implemented your suggestion would benefit the forum membership. However, I fear you may be up against it so to speak in terms of getting Admin to agree to your recommendation for a variety of reasons not even worth discussing. The price police have been on this board ineffectively excoriating members for years for violating the so call market rate. Some people are happiest when they are complaining a la Andy Rooney and this is an easy issue to complain about.

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 19:00

I was wondering if there are any places in BKK that have model-type girls available. I suppose I've been spending lots of time with thai (kind of) family and have picked up on their tastes in women: fair skinned, long-limbed model types.

In the Chonburi area they tell me of two places the thai guys go to: Happy World and Galaxy. I haven't been there but maybe someone can describe what those places are like? And do they have anything similaer in BKK (pick a girl, spend an hour or more with her, all in one building)

One option would be Pegasus. Advise that you search here and read about it, and perhaps google as well. Beware that it is not cheap - could be considered expensive even by many Western standards.

The G-clubs have plenty of girls like that, but they aren't necessarily available (takes some schmoozing) and definitely won't be available in the joint, within an hour. So I don't think that's what you are looking for, but if you are in BKK for any extended period of time they may be worth checking out. I've had a great time several times at Pent and Moritz (there are many others as well. Best to have a membership or go with someone who does.)

People also talk about the Rachada soapies (Poseidon, Amsterdam, Caesars, and a host of others). See this link for some info and then do some searches. Tons of info available here about them.

http://www.sukhumvit-psycho.com/massage/soapy-massage/

I went to a place in Pattaya once...forgot the name, but something to do with Models or similar. It's sort of near the Hard Rock hotel (or in that direction), if I recall correctly. Shit, come to think of it, I'm not even certain it wasn't Phuket and not Pattaya, but I can find out if you need. Anyway, take out was 10,000 to 20,000 baht there. Girls were model level, but quite frankly I've seen just as good looking ones in gogos in Pattaya.

Good luck and keep us posted. I'd like to know more about these kind of options too.

-B-

Bonzo1

08-30-10, 19:07

Tried Aviva on Soi 8 again. Didn't request but got Da again. Had no problem with that - I had planned on asking for her anyway but they just called her out immediately after I checked in. Service was A+ as before. Did FS this time. It was really fun, her all oiled up and sliding all over me.

This place gets repeatedly good reviews (a few bad ones) and I can see why. I find it convenient, comfortable, and nonchalant. The rooms are drab and this time the shower was a bit smelly, but overall fine for what it is (this is no Rachada-style place and doesn't aim to be).

The prices at Aviva are:

500 for HJ
1000 for BJ and or "body to body" massage
1500 for FS

Plus 400 baht for 1 hour oil massage.

I tipped Da and additional 200 each time I've been there. Don't think that's required, but certainly was appreciated.

-B-

Barko

08-30-10, 19:16

Hey Barko

To answer your question.

From what I observed it was the realization by the girls and their pimps (Cops) that clients would pay any price for the prime light skinned women RU has to offer. Did not matter how ridicules the $ the girls quoted some fool would pay.

The other change I saw is that service started to slip hard.

The locals were not overpaying. The ratio of single women to men in Moscow makes it pretty easy for a local man with a few rubles to score free pussy. Only the mongers and scores of visiting businessmen wanting to satisfy the RU stunner fantasy are shelling out the big cash.

Identical pricing arguments on the RU ISG board regarding pricing 2003-2006. Now the consensus in Moscow in no longer a monger's paradise unless he wants to spend $500-1,000 a night.

I see many similarities between Moscow then and BKK now.

Guido88Observation much appreciated and duly noted, thanks! I had my own perceptions based solely on what I had read in the papers & online, heard from friends working in Moscow, then some really negative stuff said in Hungary a couple of years ago.

Regarding local Bangkok Thai venues, they are still doing 1500ST and 2000LT, straight up, and no one is talking anything other than that at the moment. Will watch for changes and rumours thereof, and if there ARE creeping price changes, will see how they are actually accepted in Bangkok. I'll report anything I get.

I did see a well dressed Japanese guy at a crowded local downbeat Bangkok Thai hangout the other night, he was sitting alone, speaking Japanese & broken English, and offering vast amounts of money to the chicks to sit with him. (DAR, damn average raiser.) Needless to say, he was seriously out of place (this ain't Thaniya) and obviously didn't know how to play the mamasan flirt game, (hell, it's only freakin' EVERYTHING!) So, the heretofore mentioned Japanese dude sat hopelessly alone for most of the evening. The girls would come and go, sure, but would never actually sit with him for any length of time. (Who knows what the guy was really up to?) Meanwhile, the drunk Thais were passing the chicks around like a pack of Lucky Strikes on poker night, (and making very nasty jokes about Khun Yeepoon that I dared not to laugh at.) There's a hell of a lot more to the deal than just money in the real Thai mongering world, a lot more.

Let's see if local mongering money bubbles start to float in LOS. As far as I can see, they haven't changed and aren't going to for a while, not yet anyway! :D

Guido88

08-30-10, 20:12

Observation much appreciated and duly noted, thanks! I had my own perceptions based solely on what I had read in the papers & online, heard from friends working in Moscow, then some really negative stuff said in Hungary a couple of years ago.

Regarding local Bangkok Thai venues, they are still doing 1500ST and 2000LT, straight up, and no one is talking anything other than that at the moment. Will watch for changes and rumors thereof, and if there ARE creeping price changes, will see how they are actually accepted in Bangkok. I'll report anything I get.

I did see a well dressed Japanese guy at a crowded local downbeat Bangkok Thai hangout the other night, he was sitting alone, speaking Japanese & broken English, and offering vast amounts of money to the chicks to sit with him. (DAR, damn average raiser.) Needless to say, he was seriously out of place (this ain't Thaniya) and obviously didn't know how to play the mamasan flirt game, (hell, it's only freakin' EVERYTHING!) So, the heretofore mentioned Japanese dude sat hopelessly alone for most of the evening. The girls would come and go, sure, but would never actually sit with him for any length of time. (Who knows what the guy was really up to?) Meanwhile, the drunk Thais were passing the chicks around like a pack of Lucky Strikes on poker night, (and making very nasty jokes about Khun Yeepoon that I dared not to laugh at.) There's a hell of a lot more to the deal than just money in the real Thai mongering world, a lot more.

Let's see if local mongering money bubbles start to float in LOS. As far as I can see, they haven't changed and aren't going to for a while, not yet anyway! :D

Barko

There is some old joke about having a handfuls of $100 bills and not being able to get laid in a w.horehouse.

If a man cant get laid in BKK he either needs to quit or switch teams.

Guido88

Cactus J

08-30-10, 20:22

Can anyone please tell me the name of the great restaurant above Foodland.
I believe it is on Soi 7. Sorry if I put this in the wrong place, didn't see a section for restaurants.

Cactus J

El Frances

08-30-10, 22:31

Anyone is free to overpay (eventually hoping to get better service, which in my view is not necessary linked to overpaying...), of course!

However one of the main mission of this board is to provide reliable information to people who are not well informed. They need to get a notion of what is a fair standard price (a price stops to be fair when the girl doesn't want to go with you again at that price, that's my definition).
That's why I tend to recall what I consider a fair price when I see some posts which may lead partially informed readers to think that this (overpaid) price may be the standard price.
Gosh! I'm not sure what I wrote is understandable
In short:
overpay: no problem
(Unintentionally) leading other readers to think that it's a standard price: problem

BionicMan

08-31-10, 00:20

Anyone is free to overpay (eventually hoping to get better service, which in my view is not necessary linked to overpaying...), of course!

However one of the main mission of this board is to provide reliable information to people who are not well informed. They need to get a notion of what is a fair standard price (a price stops to be fair when the girl doesn't want to go with you again at that price, that's my definition).
......
In short:
overpay: no problem
(Unintentionally) leading other readers to think that it's a standard price: problem
somehow well said!
Worth more than 2 cents (unless this is read as "overpaying" LOL)

BKK Dreaming

08-31-10, 01:53

Here is how I see it,
if a middle level girl at XXX gogo asks and gets 2000b ST and gets it again and again, then the other middle range girls will ask the same and the 9s-10s will ask more because they consider themselves "better"
It does not take long for the GoGo TomTom drums to tell the rest of the BGs in that bar and then it spreads to other bars,

a one time hit will not get the TomTom drums going, but if it becomes a trend then everyone will know,

Same for Biergarden , Nana Parking lot etc

I have had a girl brag I gave her 3000b ST,(it was 1000B) then the rest of her BG friends all wanted the same :(
BG lie, DOOH or better call it brag - gossip as they really have nothing else to do waiting for customers , and even if they got more for doing "extras" that part will probably not get into the BGs story.

Also some girls will tell you a stupid price because they do NOT want to go with you. its their way of saving face, you face as much as anything !

So figure out what the normal price is , agree with it before you head to the room, maybe even offer extra if she is real good, and give her an incentive to try harder , but giving a Tip after the fact does not get you better service (because the deed has already been done) unless she knows when you start that she can earn more by working harder.

Now back to our usual programming......

BK

Silombk

08-31-10, 02:51

EasyEase

08-31-10, 03:15

Eden Club on Soi 7/1

http://www.bkk-gui.de/ede_eng_t.htmlThank you so much!

Jerboa

08-31-10, 05:18

The two nights I went to each place they were jammed (random selection of nights, some weekend and some Monday, Sunday, etc.) Climax seems to get busy after midnight or so, whereas Bossy really starts to pick up around 3am...though not exactly quiet at 1:30am. Had a blast every time in both places, though at times it was so jammed that it was a bit hard to move around.

The 4 girls from these places (only one discussed in advance):

Climax 1 - 3000 LT, including all of the next day, +2000 tip, +shopping +dinner together at Long Table (I don't consider that part of her payment but rather part of her service.) I know this girl from prior trips and she's got a porn star body and tons of high end clients. She never asks for money specifically so I have no idea what she would be willing to go for, but this is the amount I wanted to pay.

Climax 2 - 2000 LT, plus ~300 baht of shopping on Suk and cheap thai food lunch the next day. Great time, not sure why I only gave her 2000 other than that was just what I had in my wallet (besides a few hundreds.)

Bossy 1 - 2000 ST, fun girl but I was beat. Gave her 100 baht for taxi as well.

Bossy 2 - 7000 LT. Amazing girl, exactly my type, and did a whole lot of "extras" for the extra money. She only goes clubbing a couple times a month and has a regular job, but the job is very flexible as her friend is her boss and her friend and I got along really well. Consequently, she's available to me now 24/7, which I also like and consider part of what I'm paying for.

That spams a pretty wide range of prices at only two places. On other visits in the past I've been quoted between 1000 ST and 10,000 LT, so it seems my experiences fall within the "normal" range. My feeling overall is that both these places have devoted pros and semi-pros there, the semi's may even go for free with some people, but overall the devoted pros are probably more often than not the better value, whereas the semi's are usually there partying with their friends and, in my experience, a lot more fun to pick up (at any price.).

YMMV.

-B-

I've been reading your posts about pricing, and on one hand I agree that the odd big spender and over payer dosn't ruin the market, there will always be these guys happy to pay more than needed. But If more and more mongers keep paying higher prices then the new set price rises simple.

I can think back only 5 years ago In NEP, back then I could of BF just about any dancer I fancied, most wouldn't of asked how much, and none would expect more than the LT rate of 2k, now you have bars like Rainbow quoting 2k ST, that's a joke, only last year I was still able to take Rainbow dancers for 1500 ST or 2000 LT, sure the first quote from them was 2k ST 4k LT, but If you show them you are cool and know the score, helps too If you speak some thai, the price magically drops, ok not every single gogo diva will drop, but a hell of a lot will, as others say you need to negotiate, It's the Thai way, unlike tipping.

I'm amazed you paid 7k to a Bossy girl!!!! That's just amazing, the only time I paid 7k LT In Bkk was with a hot Russian FL @ Cm2, but to be honest that's a totally different market, I bet she Is available to you 24/7 at those rates lol.

Daddy07

08-31-10, 07:41

since this price discussion came up, and i have way too much time on my hands anyway, i decided to check my daily journal for pooying prices i paid in bkk in october 2006 when i first came to thailand.

a two hour oily massage at angel’s on soi 24, with a pretty 25 year old, was 800b to the shop and 1500b to the lady, including 2 pops, lots of dfk, daty, multiple positions and fake moans.

a thoroughly satisfying bbbj at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s was 700b with a hard working enthusiastic plain jane.

a 1.5 hours soapy massage at malibu with a 21 year old cutie fishbowl girl was 1800b all in to the shop for 2 pops of mediocre service. there was no massage and at one point the cutie turned on tv to watch thai soap opera’s. of course, i had none of that and she got no tip.

a very lovely young nana plaza rainbow 4 go-go girl agreed to st for 1000b after first quoting 2000b and gave me great gfe with 1 satisfying pop.

after 3 days in bkk, it was off to pattaya, where 90% of the high end go-go girls were going happily then for 600b barfine and 1000b st. the other 10% gladly went for 1500. today, they often quote 2000b st but will go for 1500. many will still go for 1000, however prices have risen. negotiation almost always works with them.

soi 6 girls – the pretty ones – went for 500b st in 2006 – 200b for the room upstairs and most gave you 2 pops of kinky sex for that. now the average girls want no less than 700b for one pop and the rooms are now 300b. one pretty older girl would take no less than 1000. i declined.

beach road girls of the highest class would always be happy with 500b in 2006, and many would take less. now the grannies, fatties, and uglies want 500b and the cuties are asking 700-1000b st.

most beer bar girls expected 500b st. a few demanded 1000b and barfines were 200-300b.

[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s girls were 700b and are still 700b.

oily massages could be had for 1 hour @ 300b + 200b for happy hj ending. now the price for the massage is the same but the girls want 300b for the hj. foot massages even now can be had for 150b/hr and even as low as 100b in some venues i’m told.

guess the big spenders have not infiltrated the foot massage market yet.

in one of my first pattaya thread reports, i was crowing on about getting a haircut for 200b somewhere, which was about half the cost i paid in the us. some guy on this board … i think it was dingy … told me i was an idiot for paying that much … i could have had it for 50b on soi buakhow. far from feeling disparaged, i thanked dingy, and am still receiving great haircuts on soi buakhow at 60b/job.

so you see, bonzo, we all overpay from time to time, and it’s nice to know that there are a few watchdogs on the board to set us straight when we fuck up. they should be thanked imho – not banned.

regards,
daddy

Stykler

08-31-10, 08:04

Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

Silombk

One place I wouldn't go is the pharmacy on Soi 33 near the 7/11. Bought some Cialis from there in May. I have just opened it only to discover that the box had already been opened and the pills on the inside have obviously been tampered with. A friend of mine had enough guts to try one and reported that it was clearly a fake as it had no impact on his performance.

I know I should have checked when I was in the store, but little brain in my cock with a few beers got the better of the bigger brain in the head.

Avoid.

Styk

Kumar Arun

08-31-10, 09:20

FlyingVisitor

08-31-10, 09:33

Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

Silombk

Hi, there is a reliable pharmacy very close to you. I went there many times already and bought reliable original and also generic products.
If you walk from soi Nana to Sukhumvit you turn left at the fuel station. Then you pass a money changer and you will find on your left hand side 2 (!) pharmacies. The first one is the smaller one. Please enter the second one (the larger one) and you will get what you need.
Regards
FV.

Run Mann

08-31-10, 10:33

Can anyone please tell me the name of the great restaurant above Foodland.
I believe it is on Soi 7. Sorry if I put this in the wrong place, didn't see a section for restaurants.

Cactus J

Foodland is on Soi 5. Took Lae Dee is the restaurant inside foodland but never paid much attention what is above it, thought it was some type of bar but you can call or email them and ask.

Mealticket

08-31-10, 11:36

If you show them you are coolWhat can you do if your like a little cool but not totally cool?

Bonzo1

08-31-10, 12:42

so you see, bonzo, we all overpay from time to time, and it’s nice to know that there are a few watchdogs on the board to set us straight when we fuck up. they should be thanked imho – not banned.

regards,
daddy

good report, and very interesting. and thank you for your info! i'm saying that sincerely with no other connotations.

to address your last comment <sigh>: i'm not gonna take it personally, but to be clear (since my point has been diluted by so many straw men arguments and other misrepresentations), i have said over and over again that i fully support pricing info -- it's even directly stated in the conclusion/suggestions in my open letter to jackson. i have never once said anything about "banning" anyone. i also have never said anything about inflation not being real, i.e. that prices can't and don't rise.

my suggestion (again, see my letter) simply was that comments be helpful and suggestive, and that disparaging and antagonistic ones be removed or moved as disparaging remarks only serve to discourage people from reporting. so-called "watch dogs" can just as easily do the job we all thank them for, and to the exact same end, without being disparaging.

separately, i realize now that it was probably futile of me to raise the argument about market theory/realities, and this is part of the reason why i've stopped commenting on that aspect. within isg forums, such comments only fuels the already-lit fire, tend to drag on by encouraging many people to offer their opinions (case in point on this forum of late), and thus should be held elsewhere. so i will take the blame for that one.

thanks again for your report. interesting that, all potential confounding factors notwithstanding, some prices are relatively the same while others have risen a bit (in some cases doubled, assuming we're comparing apples to apples.) i'll check my notes too as, ironically, i first came to thailand in 2006 as well. i don't seem to recall paying much less then, but it does jive with my gut that it is more now.

best

-b-

ps - btw, isn't [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) still 700b? haven't been there in a long time.

Bonzo1

08-31-10, 12:48

I'm amazed you paid 7k to a Bossy girl!!!! That's just amazing, the only time I paid 7k LT In Bkk was with a hot Russian FL @ Cm2, but to be honest that's a totally different market, I bet she Is available to you 24/7 at those rates lol.

Haha, yeah, even I felt like a bit of a sucker about that one! :) But she started at 10,000, and I got her down to 7000 plus adding in tons of services which I wanted (including BB, CIM/COF, and pictures and movie, but I don't share those, sorry,) and she was the super star of the place that night, so I figured, "oh well, it's worth the fantasy from time to time." I actually haven't had her back yet, but she makes it clear via sms's that she's eager and willing, so I always have an excellent backup plan -- just haven't had to actually use it yet! LOL.

Cheers,

-B-

Ryo Saeba

08-31-10, 14:03

My second time in Bangkok.

I stayed at the Jasmine Executive Suites on soi 23, plus visited Mango Massage, Annie's and Akane Chit Lom (see separate posts for all).

Went to Soi Cowboy two nights in a row, Monday and Tuesday.

On Monday most go-gos were pretty empty, at least after midnight, I would say the only place filled to the rafters was Tilac.

Quite a few good looking girls inside, I spoke to one who wished to go to the Full Moon Party in Pha Ngan so that she could "see farang make boom boom on the beach".

Also witnessed a drunk punter getting his ass kicked by a ladyboy.

On Tuesday there were more people around, but after a couple of quick stops I went to Shark, and never left. I remembered Shark from my previous visit a year and a half ago as the establishment with the better looking dancers, and while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I confirmed my preference. Tall, leggy, busty babes with see-through yellow tops. A fucking dream.

So anyway, once in I take things slowly, waiting for two sets of girls to go through their time on the stage before I finally make my decision. I go for the slimmest, leggiest of them all, and when she looks my way I offer her my tried and tested George Clooney smile, which she finds very resistible. Mai pen rai, I don't get discouraged easily, and I wave her Hello, and signal her to come seat next to me. She likely turns out to be a lot friendlier than her looks and demeanor may lead to believe, and is delighted to find out that my hotel is around the corner.

After some fondling to make sure she's as toned as she appeared to be, we strike a LT deal.

Back in my room I have a hard time not to spend the whole night looking at her perfectly shaped thighs, but finally succumb to her other charms (she's basically deep-throating me by now).

We have a good session, after which, exhausted, I turn off the lights.

Now, here comes the interesting part.

When the morning after I wake up, I'm startled to find her well awake, her face no more than a few centimeters from mine, looking intently at me. I give her the good morning, to which she nods mechanically without uttering word, her gaze fixed on me like she's faced with a difficult mathematical equation. I'm still sleepy so I close my eyes, but no sooner I've done that that I feel her soft hand gently caressing my face. Still groggy from sleep and unable to formulate a sentence to express her my appreciation for the kind gesture, I dumbly repeat my good morning.

It's at that point that she hits me with one of those statement/question which are difficult to immediately evaluate and reply to:

HER – you like me, yes?

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

ME – er. You are very beautiful

HER – you have girlfriend?

ME – in my country I have girlfriend, yes. Which isn't true but I think I see where this is leading.

HER – but, if you have girlfriend and sleep with me, you no good man

All right, she's obviously better than me at this game and, one way or another, she'd end up cornering me, so:

ME – maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend

She's not just staring at me now, she's probing my fucking soul. Having someone do that to you from so close is unsettling.

HER – you make love like boyfriend

ME – uh. Ah. I always make love like that.

HER – you no tell lie to me, no? Her frown is downright menacing now, and if I wasn't double her size I'd probably run for cover.

ME – I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend

Her face undergoes a dramatic, sudden change: the scary look melts into the puppy-eyed look, in fact her whole body seems to shrink and fold.

HER – why you no like me? , she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again

In a last effort she turns away from me, pretending to be hurt, but I found out during the night that she's incredibly ticklish, so I go for her weak spots and before long she surrenders to defeat, laughing like crazy, begging me to stop.

She knows she owes me another round, but before I can get down to business she jumps out of the bed and says – we breakfast now, later we boom boom again, yes?

After all she's still better than me. Probably getting a meal out of me has been the plan all along, the rest just a ploy to get to it. – yes, we breakfast now. I concede.

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.

Not directly mongering related, but I found a couple of restaurant options worth mentioning:

BANKARA RAMEN

If you are a fan of jap noodle soups, this one is the real deal.

Soi 39, after soi Phrom Mit, on the right, inside the Manor complex.

11 GALLERY

Thai food in an old style environment.

Off soi 11, in a tiny L-shaped alley opposite the Ambassador.

Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.

Rows of regular Thai beauties at Siam Paragon.

Ryo

Mealticket

08-31-10, 17:26

she makes it clear via sms's that she's eager and willingFor 7 large, I bet she is.

Desi Guy

08-31-10, 18:32

Mr Enternational

08-31-10, 19:29

My second time in Bangkok.

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

HER – you have girlfriend?
ME – maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend
ME – I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend
HER – why you no like me? , she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.Incredible. Spoken like a true player. Only his second trip and is not naive enough to fall for the bullshit that many veterans fall for. I guess nobody will be contacting you about any sick water buffalo anytime soon.

Bob1000

08-31-10, 20:02

I know I'll get answers to my following questions if I start digging into this forum. But my gosh. Its so vast. I'm losing it.

After lot of contemplation, have decided to pay a visit to BK starting Sep15th.

Have booked into boss suites hotel

http://bosssuites.com/overview.php

Qs to seniors and veterans.

1. Is this girl friednly?

2. Where can I find hot Russian chics easily close to this place?

Please enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

The Boss Suites is GF. I stayed there many times in recent months. You can however arrange for the place to pick up the girl ID in the front desk if you wish-for extra security. Russian chics are available at the Raja hotel coffee shop toward the end of Soi 4. If you are too lazy to walk the 500 meters or so to get there, just ask the tut tut driver from the Boss Suites to take you there and back (make sure you get the driver mobile and tip him well).

Tiggy7

08-31-10, 21:15

Hope some experienced board members can help me out with a Trusted Pharmacy to buy Cialis & Kamagra around Nana?

I will be arriving in BKK September 9th, any board members want to go prowling, I always appreciate the company!

SilombkThere are two very reliable pharmacies on Sukumvit between Soi Nana and Soi 2, on the Nana side of the street. I get my Levitra there on every visit and have not been disappointed. At B1800 for four, it is not cheap but it works and $10 per pill is okay.

Tiggy 7

El Frances

08-31-10, 22:11

Guido88

08-31-10, 22:20

The small pharmacy in front of Nana Plaza is OK

El Francis

There is one a couple of blocks away on Soi 22 in the first block close to Larry's Fashions 8/3 that has everything including painkillers, xanax ect... with no doctors prescription needed.

Guido88

Guido88

08-31-10, 22:33

The Boss Suites is GF. I stayed there many times in recent months. You can however arrange for the place to pick up the girl ID in the front desk if you wish-for extra security. Russian chics are available at the Raja hotel coffee shop toward the end of Soi 4. If you are too lazy to walk the 500 meters or so to get there, just ask the tut tut driver from the Boss Suites to take you there and back (make sure you get the driver mobile and tip him well).

BOB1000

Nice looking hotel. How is the noise level?

Guido88

HenryV

08-31-10, 23:31

. . . mine eyes did "sweat' after reading this passage."

My second time in Bangkok.

I stayed at the Jasmine Executive Suites on soi 23, plus visited Mango Massage, Annie's and Akane Chit Lom (see separate posts for all).

Went to Soi Cowboy two nights in a row, Monday and Tuesday.

On Monday most go-gos were pretty empty, at least after midnight, I would say the only place filled to the rafters was Tilac.

Quite a few good looking girls inside, I spoke to one who wished to go to the Full Moon Party in Pha Ngan so that she could "see farang make boom boom on the beach".

Also witnessed a drunk punter getting his ass kicked by a ladyboy.

On Tuesday there were more people around, but after a couple of quick stops I went to Shark, and never left. I remembered Shark from my previous visit a year and a half ago as the establishment with the better looking dancers, and while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I confirmed my preference. Tall, leggy, busty babes with see-through yellow tops. A fucking dream.

So anyway, once in I take things slowly, waiting for two sets of girls to go through their time on the stage before I finally make my decision. I go for the slimmest, leggiest of them all, and when she looks my way I offer her my tried and tested George Clooney smile, which she finds very resistible. Mai pen rai, I don't get discouraged easily, and I wave her Hello, and signal her to come seat next to me. She likely turns out to be a lot friendlier than her looks and demeanor may lead to believe, and is delighted to find out that my hotel is around the corner.

After some fondling to make sure she's as toned as she appeared to be, we strike a LT deal.

Back in my room I have a hard time not to spend the whole night looking at her perfectly shaped thighs, but finally succumb to her other charms (she's basically deep-throating me by now).

We have a good session, after which, exhausted, I turn off the lights.

Now, here comes the interesting part.

When the morning after I wake up, I'm startled to find her well awake, her face no more than a few centimeters from mine, looking intently at me. I give her the good morning, to which she nods mechanically without uttering word, her gaze fixed on me like she's faced with a difficult mathematical equation. I'm still sleepy so I close my eyes, but no sooner I've done that that I feel her soft hand gently caressing my face. Still groggy from sleep and unable to formulate a sentence to express her my appreciation for the kind gesture, I dumbly repeat my good morning.

It's at that point that she hits me with one of those statement/question which are difficult to immediately evaluate and reply to:

HER – you like me, yes?

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

ME – er. You are very beautiful

HER – you have girlfriend?

ME – in my country I have girlfriend, yes. Which isn't true but I think I see where this is leading.

HER – but, if you have girlfriend and sleep with me, you no good man

All right, she's obviously better than me at this game and, one way or another, she'd end up cornering me, so:

ME – maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend

She's not just staring at me now, she's probing my fucking soul. Having someone do that to you from so close is unsettling.

HER – you make love like boyfriend

ME – uh. Ah. I always make love like that.

HER – you no tell lie to me, no? Her frown is downright menacing now, and if I wasn't double her size I'd probably run for cover.

ME – I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend

Her face undergoes a dramatic, sudden change: the scary look melts into the puppy-eyed look, in fact her whole body seems to shrink and fold.

HER – why you no like me? , she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again

In a last effort she turns away from me, pretending to be hurt, but I found out during the night that she's incredibly ticklish, so I go for her weak spots and before long she surrenders to defeat, laughing like crazy, begging me to stop.

She knows she owes me another round, but before I can get down to business she jumps out of the bed and says – we breakfast now, later we boom boom again, yes?

After all she's still better than me. Probably getting a meal out of me has been the plan all along, the rest just a ploy to get to it. – yes, we breakfast now. I concede.

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.

Not directly mongering related, but I found a couple of restaurant options worth mentioning:

BANKARA RAMEN

If you are a fan of jap noodle soups, this one is the real deal.

Soi 39, after soi Phrom Mit, on the right, inside the Manor complex.

11 GALLERY

Thai food in an old style environment.

Off soi 11, in a tiny L-shaped alley opposite the Ambassador.

Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.

Rows of regular Thai beauties at Siam Paragon.

Ryo

Bob1000

09-01-10, 03:58

BOB1000

Nice looking hotel. How is the noise level?

Guido88

The hotel is located in the end of a small soi. It is very quiet.

Jendabaze

09-01-10, 04:59

Frazer

09-01-10, 08:26

Booked my flight for early November and been reading the board for the past two weeks.

However, there is one question that I'm not clear on. Would the Go GO dancers and the bar girls go to my hotel for ST or would they insist on going to a room in the bar or a close by hotel?

I'm planing to reserve a room close to Nana Plaza when in Bangkok and close to walking street when in Pattaya.

Thanks in advance for any reply.I've never met a girl insisting for her own bar room or for a ST hotel, provided that your place is reasonably close. Neither in BKK nor in PTY.

It is indeed a good idea to book a hotel near NEP or in any case in the low Suk area (soi 3, 4, 5, 7, until 11 or 13). Places like Majestic Suites or Grand President for example are just perfect if you want to add some freelancers (maybe in the afternoon?) to the Gogo/beer bar girls. No problems whatsoever bringing back even more than one girl a day (maybe not together and overnight, though) and just close to the action: Suk, Beergarden, Nana car park, etc.

In Pattaya things are even more simple since with the songtheow (these pick up taxis that you will see everywhere) you can practically go everywhere with few baht, especially if your hotel is near the beach road or the second road (if you are in Naklua or Buakhaow areas instead, you may need to change taxi, not a big deal but with so many hotels in south and central Pattaya why bother?).

In PTY, for this reason, I would be a bit more flexible in terms of location and not necessarily stick to the Beach Road area. Last March I was in Soi Diana (LK Renaissance) and it was IMO an excellent choice in terms of value for money. In January I was in TIM Boutique (same area) and again it was just great, except for some noisy live music from a beer bar on the back of the hotel. Once I told them, they upgraded me to a suite and I spent the rest of my holiday sleeping like a baby. (well, not really but I think you got the idea)

Some hotels in very popular areas (e. G. Soi 8 or walking street) can be very noisy until late, so you may want to avoid them if you think that this can be a problem for you.

Last thing, before booking take a look at the prices on agoda or hotelscombined websites where you can normally find good deals. Since some hotels change their guest policy if you book directly or through a dealer (in the first case they won't charge you, in the second yes), you may want to clear this aspect in advance by email. All the hotels I mentioned are 100% guest friendly, though.

Hope it helps.

Evianist

09-01-10, 12:04

EasyEase

09-01-10, 13:26

hi dear fellow mongers,

i am on a short trip here in bangkok and would like to give a report about my observation. first night i spent some time in patpong drinking some beer and checking the scene. first think i observed was the fewer tourists in bangkok. i supposed that it was about 1/3 of the number of tourist that have been here in bangkok compared to my last visit in november 09. king castle has took over more places and the cozy and nice life music bar at the corner between patpong1 and patpong2 is now a king castle neon bar too. what a shame, i was a frequent visitor of this bar since 2001.

second day i headed to eden, i was never there. simply i could never find it though i tried to find it in my last 3 trips. thank to a fellow monger here in isg, i found it this time easily. if you are coming out of nana plaza and heading to the nana sky train station exit 1, then it is on the left side in a small street. about 30 meter from the stairways leading to the sky train.

it looked exactly like it is described here in isg, it is a small cozy bar. a french monsieur is behind the bar. very nice gentleman. he explained everything about his bar. the yellow line. left of the yellow line are the ladies who do anal sex, on the right of it are the ladies who don't do anal sex. all are bisexual. there have been about 30 girls when i arrived at about 3pm. the bar was empty, there were no other men but me and the frenchman. the quality of the ladies was not my taste though. all a little bit older, no girl below 27 i would think. nevertheless, i was excited and wanted to try the "dream" that was described here at isg so many times.

i chose from the left side a chubby lady (i like them with big tits) who on the other hand chose a chubby lady from the right side. so far everything was ok. the monsieur told me to pay later (we are like a restaurant, you eat first and pay later). to easy things up, i invited the 2 ladies to a lady drink and we headed up to the room in the 3rd floor. the rooms was about 3x4meter and had mirrors everywhere. the ladies put a porn dvd, and took some vibrators, condoms, gel and a strap on from a bag out. then the 2 ladies showered me long and very intensively. we headed to the bed, were one lady started to lick my ass while the other gave me a bbbj, i looked in one of the mirrors and saw a big smile on my face. yes, a dream is coming through.

"ah yuh okayyyy"? one of the girls asked, i told here i could not be more ok than now. with a another stupid smile on my face. after about 5 minutes the anal girl bent over to invite to fuck her. here my irritation started when she refused to be fucked anal and insisted on vaginal sex. well ok i thought. i took here doggy and after about 1 minute she asked "ah yuh okayyyy"? i answered "yes", and continued taking her from the back. both started to mourn right away, which i really didn't like, because the non-anal lady was sitting just watching us but was in a chorus with the girl fucked. after another minute then the question "ah yuh okayyyy"?, i said yes and shot my load. well ok. we showered and i went to the bed were both ladies started to massage me. after about 10 minutes i was ready for round 2. both sucked me and i was very happy till the question came "ah yuh okayyyy"?. i answered yes and as soon as my dick was hard enough i asked the non-anal-girl to spread her leg while sucking my dick and asked the anal-lady to lick her. this went on for about 1-2 minutes when the question came again: "ah yuh okayyyy"?. honestly this question started to get on my nerves. i replied yes, with a big smile and started to fuck the non-anal girl. both mourned like hell, it was all so artificial i didn't like it. after about 7-10 minutes i asked the anal girl to prepare herself for anal, she put some gel on her ass and i started to fuck her. after about 2 minutes the question: "ah yuh okayyyy"?. fuck i thought. i pretended i didn't hear the question and just kept going on. about 4-5 minutes later the anal-girl told me i was hurting her and that she needed a brake. well, ok.,. my dick wasn't that hard anymore and i said ok.

again, we took now a third comprehensive and detailed shower and went to the bed. there i got my second massage. i felt a little bit tired and not really horny anymore. then the same stupid question came "ah yuh okayyyy"?. fuck yes, i was ok if you won't ask this question anymore. after some while i asked the girls to suck my dick, they did, it was good, i saw myself in the mirror and was happy. one of the girls started to penetrate the other with a small vibrator, i got horny watching it for some time and when i started to fuck one of them(of course with lots of loud artificisal mourning and "yes fuck meeee", a gentle knock was on the door, my time was over. it wasn't really my best 3some. i am sure some do, the place is great and the monsieur is great too, it wasn't my day. total damage: 3600baht + ladydrinks, a total of 4500 baht +a 100x "ah yuh okayyyy"? ahh yes, i tipped the ladies, i mean they really tried their best but this best wasn't good enough for me. sorry monsieur!

i headed to patpong got a bbjb at star of light, it was great, much more fun for the money. i love the place. i might go there today again or i might go and try [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s.

Cadjan

09-01-10, 13:31

BOB1000

Nice looking hotel. How is the noise level?

Guido88It's a way away from the action (well, 5 minutes walk), so pretty quiet. Trade off is the walk but they have a tuk-tuk (electric, so also quiet) at any time you want it. Tip the guy, no problems, call them up to pick you up.

Not a bad hotel for the very cheap price (if it's still on opening specials like it was at the start of the year). Can't comment on breakfast, but the pool is really really cold.

A little hard to find - head down Soi 4, past a school on the RHS, turn right at the Woraburi.

Kumar Arun

09-01-10, 13:40

the boss suites is gf. i stayed there many times in recent months. you can however arrange for the place to pick up the girl id in the front desk if you wish-for extra security. russian chics are available at the raja hotel coffee shop toward the end of soi 4. if you are too lazy to walk the 500 meters or so to get there, just ask the tut tut driver from the boss suites to take you there and back (make sure you get the driver mobile and tip him well).thanks bob. the tips are really neat. thanks for the effort and appreciated.

now one more q.

shall i carry- 1. indian rupees(inr), 2. usd, 3. thb?

off course carrying inr is easiest for me. but may not be welcomed by receivers.

so whats the way out?

Barko

09-01-10, 17:01

Had a horrible experience at Scratch Dog in the Windsor Hotel (Soi 20 Sukhumvit) recently. Paid 500 baht for hookah. When the coals died in 30 minutes, the venue wouldn't replace them and demanded another 500 baht. Something I've never seen done ANYWHERE else. Usually more coal is free or has a nominal cost and certainly not an entire new hookah, especially when you're shelling out 500 baht. Worse, when we were using the hookah as the coals were dying the staff was hovering over our hookah and quickly snagged it away unprompted. The attitude by the staff there is really too much. I've vowed never to return.Hey Desi,

Having a couple of Thai chicks around you will prevent the hover and swipe.

It's the kind of place where you really have to take charge and not be skimpy on the drinks, especially when it gets late. If you guys aren't tipping, not ordering more drinks/bowls/coals, you're gone. It sucks, but that's the place. (I've connected with some really hot strange there that I STILL have on my phone, so not in the position to complain too much.) Having chicks around really seems to smooth everything out nicely.

Soilord

09-01-10, 17:07

Foodland is on Soi 5. Took Lae Dee is the restaurant inside foodland but never paid much attention what is above it, thought it was some type of bar but you can call or email them and ask.I seem to recall that the restaurant above Foodland was called Thai House 2, but I'm not sure it's there anymore - I'll take a look the next time I pass by.

JHolmesJr

09-01-10, 18:16

Then the same stupid question came "Ah yuh okayyyy"?. Fuck yes, I was ok if you won't ask this question anymore.Interesting. I knew a ho I met first in Singapore and later spotted in bar beer in phuket and this too was her stock phrase. Drove me fuckin nuts. The tone was not so much inquiring about my well-being. But one that you reserve for someone who has fallen down the staircase. Very fkin annoyin. I had to cut the ***** loose just for saying that shit over and over.

It would be a bizarre coincidence if this was the same woman.

Bonzo1

09-01-10, 20:07

Interesting. I knew a ho I met first in Singapore and later spotted in bar beer in phuket and this too was her stock phrase. Drove me fuckin nuts. The tone was not so much inquiring about my well-being. But one that you reserve for someone who has fallen down the staircase. Very fkin annoyin. I had to cut the ***** loose just for saying that shit over and over.

It would be a bizarre coincidence if this was the same woman.

Crazy. I was just signing on to write about last night's experience, and hadn't thought to include this but I had the exact same thing happen last night! Not nearly to that extent, but maybe three or four times, "darling, are you ok?"

Just chalked it up to bad English (which was certainly the case) and basically ignored. In fact, a good mental tactic might be to reply totally out of context. For instance:

Thai Lady: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "your pussy tastes great"

TL: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "I wanna rub oil all over your body and rub my bald head all over you" (forgot the exact George Costanza quote, but something like that)

TL: "Ah you okay?"
Punter: "I love Thailand"

or whatever.

Cheers,

-B-

Bonzo1

09-01-10, 20:23

I was initially heading to visit a friend that works in a bar in Patpong but say some bodies that caught my eye and dove in. Glad I did. The gogo story is same old same old more or less. Saw a 19-yr old with a porn star body, funny across body language while she was on stage, after which quickly instructed the mama to buy her a tequila which landed her by my side with hugs, kisses, and some groping by both of us. Typical pushing of mamas and other girls for drinks and to BF the girl, which after a short time I just decided to skip the girl (aforementioned friend) I was gonna visit and ST this one. BF 500 baht.

Headed out to the ST hotel and bought her a sexy little maid outfit (600 baht.) Immediately asked for LT, but her English was so bad that she just proceeded to walk toward the ST hotel and say "LT later." I finally gave up and decided to just enjoy the moments.

In the hotel (500 baht) and she took a shower - for like 15+ min with the door locked. Cracks me up how Thai girls who are dancing semi-naked or naked on stage and fuck us are often shy in any other context. Anyway, finally finished, took my shower, and came out to her in her see-thru maid outfit. Instructed her to dance around a bit which led to her lap dancing and sucking every part of my body, then to a long 69 followed by CFS in multiple posish's - very energetic effort on her part, which was a nice bonus (above and beyond the spectacular view.) I decided to just finish inside, though in retrospect I should have taken off the condom and finished on her C cup tits.

2000 baht as per mama's (written) instructions. So all told, 500 for BF, 500 for ST hotel, 600 for outfit, and 2000 ST = 3600 baht out of pocket.

Stupid part was I forgot to take pictures. Had my cell phone camera, which is actually pretty good, on me. Damnit. Now I'll have to have her back to my hotel if I want to get them, and it's gonna be a chore making sure she brings the outfit since she speaks almost no English.

Just went home after (though later ended up with a friend who wanted to "chat" and banging her until 5am...another story and not really worth telling). Funny thing was the King's girl called me three times that night and then NINE times today. I guess she's trying to follow up on the LT proposal. May have to take her up on that soon, god bless her and her rocking body!

-B-

BionicMan

09-01-10, 23:10

hi dear fellow mongers,
....
second day i headed to eden, i was never there.
...
"ah yuh okayyyy"? ahh yes, i tipped the ladies, i mean they really tried their best but this best wasn't good enough for me. sorry monsieur!

i headed to patpong got a bbjb at star of light, it was great, much more fun for the money. i love the place. i might go there today again or i might go and try [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s.
go imagine if the monsieur asked you "ça va tout bien?" ? lol (subtitle for the non-french speaking...."ah yuh okayyyy"? )
seriously speaking have heard too tons of positive reports and your rather than being negative is more "nothing so extraordinary"
the fame of eden is known for the 3-some and all the coreography of the yellow line etc etc
i ave never tried it myself, seems attractive but the fear is to feel what you felt
a bit of production line with fixed reference points (are you ok), a routine to be followed (no anal soon) just like the food is served at mcdonald or coffe at starbucks: seems customer oriented but at the end a bit mechanical, like they could care the less.
happens in quite some joints or the risk is there.
still my personal feeling the chances in places like eden are higher.
it became an icon in bkk and is victim of its own success.

Crypton

09-01-10, 23:17

thanks bob. the tips are really neat. thanks for the effort and appreciated.

now one more q.

shall i carry- 1. indian rupees(inr), 2. usd, 3. thb?

off course carrying inr is easiest for me. but may not be welcomed by receivers.

so whats the way out?

why would you carry indian rupees to any foreign country? no one will accept them. buy thb if you can in india (i assume that's where you are) or bring usd and change them in bangkok.

BionicMan

09-01-10, 23:18

.....2000 baht as per mama's (written) instructions. So all told, 500 for BF, 500 for ST hotel, 600 for outfit, and 2000 ST = 3600 baht out of pocket.

-B-You forgot the bar drinks...:)
Pity we can't see her, but do not use pictures for ISG to repeat, LOL
We are not worth 3000 (if she doesnt forget the maid outfit) for a set of pictures :)
Unless you deem absoltely necessary, then we are happy to see the pictures and let you have another round. LOL

Amadeuss

09-02-10, 02:12

However, there is one question that I'm not clear on. Would the Go GO dancers and the bar girls go to my hotel for ST or would they insist on going to a room in the bar or a close by hotel?
.

Picked up a spinner from the Nana car park>
"How much, honey?"
"1000 Baht for ST"
"Ohh... can not... 500 ok?"
"OK, where you stay?"
Off we went, the usual procedure and after the deed was done had a shower. But then, little Nui slipped back under the blanket:
"You want to stay?"
"Yes, l like soft bed. Nice"

She only left next day lunchtime after another 2 rounds. The bed was in the JW Mariott :-)..a wise investment of 3500+ for the room, instead of staying in a dump and overspending on bar fines. Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.

Redfield10

09-02-10, 02:21

They must learn the phrase on Day 1 of "Bargirl/companion" school. I've had this happen over and over again. It generally happens in bed in some context it seems. In preparation. Cuddling, foreplay, and after sex especially.

I guess they figure it's fine because they are asking if there's anything they can do for you.

"Yeah, don't ever f%kn say "are you ok ever again! " LOL.

Crazy. I was just signing on to write about last night's experience, and hadn't thought to include this but I had the exact same thing happen last night! Not nearly to that extent, but maybe three or four times, "darling, are you ok?"

Just chalked it up to bad English (which was certainly the case) and basically ignored. In fact, a good mental tactic might be to reply totally out of context. For instance:

Thai Lady: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "your pussy tastes great"

TL: "Ah u okay?"
Punter: "I wanna rub oil all over your body and rub my bald head all over you" (forgot the exact George Costanza quote, but something like that)

TL: "Ah you okay?"
Punter: "I love Thailand"

or whatever.

Cheers,

-B-

Jerboa

09-02-10, 02:45

2000 baht as per mama's (written) instructions. So all told, 500 for BF, 500 for ST hotel, 600 for outfit, and 2000 ST = 3600 baht out of pocket.

Oh that old chestnut, the mamasans love there price lists these days, was It laminated by any chance, and said short time 2000b, long time 4000b ?

I just Ignore them most the time If they give me the newbie (mug) welcome,
can't be bothered with them.

Though sounds like you had a good session anyway, I've not been to Patpong for a while, Is the talent still fair? And the drink prices still reasonable?

Evianist

09-02-10, 03:13

She only left next day lunchtime after another 2 rounds. The bed was in the JW Mariott :-)..a wise investment of 3500+ for the room, instead of staying in a dump and overspending on bar fines. Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.

I've had this happen a good number of times in non-luxury hotels.

If you've ever seen the types of closets some of these girls live in, what we consider a dump is luxury to them.

Run Mann

09-02-10, 03:20

Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.

If only it was this simple; staying in upscale hotel can be a plus and impress some of the girls but others may see it as their opportunity to gorge themselves off their opulent catch. The idea being if you can afford a place like the Marriott you can afford to pay them more. Chances are they’ve stay at places like the Marriott before and impress as they may be or pretend to be, they are way more impress with the baht.

Barko

09-02-10, 06:26

Picked up a spinner from the Nana car park>
"How much, honey?"
"1000 Baht for ST"
"Ohh... can not... 500 ok?"
"OK, where you stay?"
Off we went, the usual procedure and after the deed was done had a shower. But then, little Nui slipped back under the blanket:
"You want to stay?"
"Yes, l like soft bed. Nice"

She only left next day lunchtime after another 2 rounds. The bed was in the JW Mariott :-)..a wise investment of 3500+ for the room, instead of staying in a dump and overspending on bar fines. Choose a luxury place with a well feeling.. and the girls will like to spend time with you.You think it's the hotel? A lot of those SW Nana chicks live in total absolute abject poverty, sending every Baht to their, mother, brother, kid, etc.

Question: Where would you want to sleep? In a bed, in a real bedroom, with a shower & breakfast with a pretty decent guy? Or, in a shitty moldy smelling bed with 3 girls and a drunk Thai brother in law? Or hell, maybe even just on the floor with a 150 Baht kiddie mattress from 'Big C'. In any case, with no air, no TV, and a mess of half folded clothes, shitty makeup & cheap flip-flops all over the place. And fuck it, a lot of times there's nothing to come home to but a busted fan and a skinny rotten toothed heavily tattooed Thai guy waiting for his Saeng Som whiskey money, and nothing else. Answer: "Duh. "

A good buddy from Hawaii stays at the Honey Hotel (Soi 19, 800 Baht/night he loves it,) he says that they ALL want to stay over, (for free,) saying "I stay you, I take care you. "

End of story.

I know it's great to stay in a terrific room, impress the chicks to no end, and have them all beg to stay over. But really, it ain't the hotel.

Bonzo1

09-02-10, 07:44

Oh that old chestnut, the mamasans love there price lists these days, was It laminated by any chance, and said short time 2000b, long time 4000b ?

I just Ignore them most the time If they give me the newbie (mug) welcome,
can't be bothered with them.

Though sounds like you had a good session anyway, I've not been to Patpong for a while, Is the talent still fair? And the drink prices still reasonable?

Not laminated. Actually I thought it was both funny and in an odd was convenient (for my lazy self) that it was just written down for me.

Patpong is probably still the same as it was a couple or few years ago - some definite talent hiding with a lot of fugglies. Probably need to go fairly early to find the talent as I can't imagine how some of those girls ever get BF'd and so likely the good ones are gone by later (or if lucky already done a ST and are back.)

No idea about the drink prices. I never pay attention to that. It's a few pennies in the overall scheme of things (though in sum I probably spend more on drinks actually, which granted is a bit stupid but I enjoy it.)

Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? The more specific you can be the better. I always feel like I have to buy a certain amount of drinks before I BF just to keep the company of the girl, lest she be put back on stage. How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?

Thanks

-B-

Fon Tok

09-02-10, 08:12

I live across from Patpong, so I go there once in awhile...
Patpong is probably still the same as it was a couple or few years ago - some definite talent hiding with a lot of fugglies. Probably need to go fairly early to find the talent as I can't imagine how some of those girls ever get BF'd and so likely the good ones are gone by later (or if lucky already done a ST and are back.)There are quite a few decent looking women sprinkled around Patpong...Safari Bar, Black Pagoda, Electric Blue, Bada Bing, some of the King's bars...but it varies from night to night. Late night at Twilo Club you can sometimes find pretty ones after they get off work and are still hunting for customers.

No idea about the drink prices. I never pay attention to that. It's a few pennies in the overall scheme of things (though in sum I probably spend more on drinks actually, which granted is a bit stupid but I enjoy it.) Drinks in Patpong are generally cheaper than Cowboy. The clubs with music charge more (e.g., Twilo).

Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? The more specific you can be the better. I always feel like I have to buy a certain amount of drinks before I BF just to keep the company of the girl, lest she be put back on stage. How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?You can sit alone, say "no," and then pick the girl you want to buy the drink for. But it will be hard to keep your chosen girl's interest if you say "no" while considering your interest and discussing barfine options. They have drink quotas and are honestly thirsty. A drink for the "-san" that you asked to get the girl for you does not hurt for future forays into the bar.

For the pesky ones, maybe bring an empty wallet with just enough for a drink or two, and show it and say, "mai me satang...or satang nit noi..." The pesky ones can be a real pain in the arse, though, when they don't give up. It can spoil the fun for me and often I just leave.

BionicMan

09-02-10, 08:41

They must learn the phrase on Day 1 of "Bargirl/companion" school. I've had this happen over and over again. It generally happens in bed in some context it seems. In preparation. Cuddling, foreplay, and after sex especially.

I guess they figure it's fine because they are asking if there's anything they can do for you.

"Yeah, don't ever f%kn say "are you ok ever again! " LOL.I saw an hilarious (and stupidly did not buy) booklet in Thailand.
Title "English for thai bar girls", with thai text and english text
In most cases it is translation of thai sentences off the thai habits, so often non-sense when translated in english.
Just like british greets anyone with "how are you", but not much bothered to know in reality how are you :)
But there were also a lot of "working" technicalities such as:
"you shower first"
"you make ne horny"
"first go 7-11"
"where you from?"
"you are too big"
"you have condom?"
and so on so forth
including the typical family problems,
"you help me and my family honey?"
grandmother sickness,
mother terminal cancer
brother at the university,
grandad's water buffalo being sick....:)

An essential handbook for the WG or BG! lol

Barko

09-02-10, 08:41

How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?Barfine the girl, 600 Baht, overall it's probably cheaper. Then you can then just sit around (and goof around) with your honey all you want. Personally, I love this, I get the girls to do some amazing shit just sitting there! (My norm is to take two.)

Off the mama: The mamasans react to a sense of humor, after barfining, when the mamasan comes over to buzz you for a drink, look deeply into your little cuties eyes, then dart a look to the mama, and whisper simply: "All my money is for my new girlfriend", (said with your very best lawyerly pearlies, thereby igniting her dark cloudy retinas into submission.) Then while holding the smile for an extra moment, move your head slightly back and forth in the negative, and, while keeping elbow in close to your side, slowly offer an open handed gesture that resembles a laser guided backmap to her barstool. Done correctly the effect is purely subliminal, virtually unseen, and no loss of face for anyone. But they all instantly understand what this infers: "NO".

Works for me every time.

BionicMan

09-02-10, 09:03

I've had this happen a good number of times in non-luxury hotels.

If you've ever seen the types of closets some of these girls live in, what we consider a dump is luxury to them.
Very true, but if one has the possibility of treating himrself well is also nice.
Something is screwing a girl in a low average room and something is screwing her in a very comfortable place where both can enjoy the environment.
I agree also that if they see the luxurious hotel the can try to milk more money from you.
One can always say to her that the hotel is paid by his company but she is paid by his own pocket, if it was for him he could not afford such a luxurious hotel :) "..so let's enjoy it, darling!"

Kumar Arun

09-02-10, 10:35

I'm visiting BK for the 1st time and got some Qs about money exchange..

Hope this is the right place to ask the Qs..

I'm hoping some guidance from vetearns especially from India.

which is best way to carry money from India...?(i know bundles in a suitcase is the right answer)

USD or THB?

Do we get THB in India?... or shall I convert INR to USD in India and then convert again to THB in BK?

Do they convert INR to THB in BK?

Which ic cheapest way to convert?

Some inputs Pls..

Thanks
Ak

Mealticket

09-02-10, 10:48

Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? There's this thing we humans do. Shake our head from side to side when she / he / they / it asks. You can do it w/ a slight smile / smirk if so inclined.

Duniawala

09-02-10, 16:07

why would you carry indian rupees to any foreign country? no one will accept them. buy thb if you can in india (i assume that's where you are) or bring usd and change them in bangkok.
although you are right since the rupee is not convertible, you can exchange rupees in bkk and for that matter in hkg. you get it changed from indian traders. however, the exchange rate is not that good.

and please don't ask me where as it was a year or so ago and did not take his phone/contact info. i don't normally do this, but had some extra cash when i left india.

having said that, it is best to bring usd when you travel outside india.

Jerboa

09-03-10, 01:51

Not laminated. Actually I thought it was both funny and in an odd was convenient (for my lazy self) that it was just written down for me.

Patpong is probably still the same as it was a couple or few years ago - some definite talent hiding with a lot of fugglies. Probably need to go fairly early to find the talent as I can't imagine how some of those girls ever get BF'd and so likely the good ones are gone by later (or if lucky already done a ST and are back.)

No idea about the drink prices. I never pay attention to that. It's a few pennies in the overall scheme of things (though in sum I probably spend more on drinks actually, which granted is a bit stupid but I enjoy it.)

Question/advice - what a good way to "ignore the mama's" and all the myriad of other girls (and sometimes even guy waiters) asking for/demanding drinks non-stop? The more specific you can be the better. I always feel like I have to buy a certain amount of drinks before I BF just to keep the company of the girl, lest she be put back on stage. How can one say no repeatedly but keep the girl (or girls) sitting with him?

Thanks

-B-

If anyone demands a drink from me I wouldn't be Impressed, I have no problem buying a drink for one of the staff or mamasan If they've been helpful or had sanuk together, but some staff will take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), hoping the guy Is soft, would the staff ask a thai customer for a drink?

Of course If your Interested In one of the girls, a drink Is very much expected by them, It's an Investment to have time for a Interview, but watch out for the hustlers who will literally order a tequila, slam It down and then say, "must go dance now" One thing I have started doing In places like Patong beach where lady drinks are overpriced at 150b+ Is to give the girl 100b tip, rather than buy a drink, why let the bar profit when they try to take the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)?

But there Is no need to buy lots of drinks for your chosen lucky lady, or to all her sisters and friends who might descend, If someone keeps demanding a drink from me I would totally blank them, sometimes to get respect you have to show your not weak.

All depends on the girl and you, like sharks can smell blood, bargirls can sense that this customer Is a mug who will buy drinks for everybody, obviously some girls are just In the bar to hustle, and make money from drinks-tips-fooken ping-pong balls BS, things have gotten so extreme that some of the top gogo divas are making 80-100k a month before they even open their legs! but If you have good game, even these girls can be had for a least amount of battering of your wallet.

Finn Mccool

09-03-10, 05:47

B9999

09-03-10, 07:39

I went to Fantasia (amongst others. LOL) in NEP and BF'd a delightful, young, cute, slim, gorgeous, tiny, smooth-skinned lady. Took her back to my hotel (Landmark) and was lucky enough not to be stopped by security. I would have been embarrassed because I am more than 3 times her age! I know I shouldn't be, but that's just me.

We had a nice enough time, but it was a bit overshadowed by her concerns for my size. Nice problem to have eh? Still, it was very good, but not totally outstanding.

Next night I saw her again in Fantasia, but decided not to BF her. Instead, I got picked up by a FL in Huntsman Pub in basement of Landmark Hotel. I've written a separate report on this somewhat embarassing experience under Bangkok Hotels titled "Landmark Hotel. Joiner Fee Workaround".

Next night I went to Fantasia again and sat with my little friend for a while but I was determined not to BF her and take her back to the hotel, because I would have died with embarrassment if stopped by security. I told her the reason and she told me that there was a ST Hotel in the building. Now, I'd been to a ST Hotel in Nana some years ago and it was pretty awful. I told her I didn't want to go to a crappy hotel. She insisted that this one was new and very nice, 'like your hotel, just small'.

Because I was now thinking with my small head and not the one on my shoulders, I agreed. We walked out, around the corner of the balcoy about 20 steps away was the "Hollywood Inn". It's new and it's great. THB400. Clean and modern and comfortable. No smell, which is something that's virtually guaranteed to give me shrinkage.

This second time was awesome. She knew what to expect and accommodated my wonderfully well. I can highly recommend this arrangement if you are all uncomfortable about taking a girl back to your room.

Evianist

09-03-10, 08:25

Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?

Can be a serious annoyance when they cum after 5 minutes and then their pussies are too sore to go on.

(Assume it's a real cum and not a fake)

Pahllus Maximus

09-03-10, 09:24

hi, i posted in the pattaya section, but will ask here. been a few years since i was in los.

looking for some mirrors in bkk, on bed level, fun to see girls spread eagled and me "chock a block" pumping them, or a wake up good morning wet slobbering blow job. all guys deserve this.

any suggestions on (i) mirror hotels in bkk and (ii) best bj specialist (other than star of light/[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s). nataree is supposed to be very good.

Amjeck

09-03-10, 09:29

There's this thing we humans do. Shake our head from side to side when she / he / they / it asks. You can do it w/ a slight smile / smirk if so inclined.
Yah, just shake your head and SMILE then break eye contact fast. They'll get the hint.

Run Mann

09-03-10, 09:43

Looking for some mirrors in BKK, on bed level, fun to see girls spread eagled and me "chock a block" pumping them, or a wake up good morning wet slobbering blow job. All guys deserve this.

Citadines in Bkk (I prefer the one on Soi 16) and Ever Rich Inn would be good choices bed level mirrors.

http://www.citadines.com

http://www.everrichinn.com/room.html

Jerboa

09-03-10, 12:20

Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?

Can be a serious annoyance when they cum after 5 minutes and then their pussies are too sore to go on.

(Assume it's a real cum and not a fake)

That's a new one for me, how can their pussies be sore from cumming? Sensitive perhaps, sounds like the lady Is taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), If this happens again, so no problem tirak If pussy sore, I fuck you In arse, lol.

Evianist

09-03-10, 12:58

That's a new one for me, how can their pussies be sore from cumming? Sensitive perhaps, sounds like the lady Is taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140), If this happens again, so no problem tirak If pussy sore, I fuck you In arse, lol.

Sensitive is what I meant.

Rocksoff

09-03-10, 13:10

I don't exactly have a "zero negotiation" rule, especially when I detect there's some posturing going on, but no way I'm gonna screw up my vacation trying to honor this officious nonsense (i.e. the imaginary 'you must negotiate for the sake of the rest of us' policy loudly enforced by a few people here.)

In a couple of places in Bangkok, if you get into a waiting taxi, they'll tell you a high price and not turn the meter on. If you ask them to turn the meter on they'll either do so or not; if they don't, any moving taxi will turn the meter on.

In the gogos, there are a lot of girls who will state a price 500 or 1000 baht higher than going rate (e.g. "2000 baht!"). If you respond with a smile ("1500 baht"), they'll generally run off to get the mamasan without so much as pausing to nod in agreement.

There's no earthly reason to pay the chancer price, not for a taxi and not for a girl, and it isn't even a matter of negotiation.

Of course, there are also plenty of cases where it's less clear cut, where you figure out a deal on the spot for what it's worth to you.

Rocksoff

09-03-10, 13:41

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.

Completely agreed. The girls are young, with limited experience of the world. Well, lots of experience of a very narrow slice. They have a tough job, and try to learn fast and survive, but they're obviously at a disadvantage. Watch out for them, but take care of them as well.

Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.

Ha, I'm enjoying the cool weather compared to four or five months ago!

Nabucco

09-03-10, 16:41

Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?

Can be a serious annoyance when they cum after 5 minutes and then their pussies are too sore to go on.

(Assume it's a real cum and not a fake)It is your business not to excite them fast; don't rush to climaxing, if you feel they are closing to the point of no return; take a break and break a smile of satisfaction, although do never think that women with high sex drive can easily be manipulated into "sobering up", if they have a good time with you.

Mealticket

09-04-10, 02:52

Anyone have any advice on how to get girls NOT to cum?
You mean the girls can orgasm? Who knew?

DRRonin

09-04-10, 05:40

Here's a question for the Bangkok regulars. On our way from the airport to the Majestic Grande, the taxi took my wife and I through a neighborhood where there were lot of young girls, freelancers it appeared, who were signaling to passing cars with flashlights they were carrying. Some of these girls were stunning.

Does anyone know what neighborhood or part of Bangkok this would be?

Not entirely sure but my guess is that you are talking about the street girls outside what used to be the old Siam Hotel. They tore the hotel down a few years back but I've also seen the freelancers there while coming in from the airport but never saw the flashlights. I've been told it's mainly a scene for the Thais and very few of the girls speak any English. But some of them did look nice in catching a quick flash as we drove by but often I have found with street girls that with better lighting and closer inspection you have to re-evaluate that first impression. They also have street girls around Lumpini Park and one night I did the circle on foot and didn't see one that looked remotely attractive. The old Siam Hotel is on Petcheburi Road (parallell to Sukhumvit)near Asoke.

Mr Enternational

09-04-10, 06:22

Mr Enternational

09-04-10, 06:33

Citadines in Bkk (I prefer the one on Soi 16) and Ever Rich Inn would be good choices bed level mirrors.

http://www.citadines.com

http://www.everrichinn.com/room.htmlRun Mann, thanks for bringing up Citadines. I used to stay in their locations around France. I had no idea they had places in Thailand. This is a very viable option in BKK for 1500 baht/day.

As far as Ever Rich, I used to use the tailor exclusively before moving on to Pattaya. I did tour the rooms before. They are a bit crowded with the king size bed taking up most of the space in the room. I can't remember if there were mirrors or not.

Run Mann

09-04-10, 12:00

Run Mann, thanks for bringing up Citadines. I used to stay in their locations around France. I had no idea they had places in Thailand. This is a very viable option in BKK for 1500 baht/day.

As far as Ever Rich, I used to use the tailor exclusively before moving on to Pattaya. I did tour the rooms before. They are a bit crowded with the king size bed taking up most of the space in the room. I can't remember if there were mirrors or not.

Citadines has four locations in BKK and they frequently offer special rates from their website, they are one of the better deals in Thailand. You can see the mirror in some of the pics from the Ever Rich site but you're right about the rooms being small. ER is not for any kind of long term stay but everyone there is pretty cool and friendly.

Bonzo1

09-04-10, 12:38

Barfine the girl, 600 Baht, overall it's probably cheaper. Then you can then just sit around (and goof around) with your honey all you want. Personally, I love this, I get the girls to do some amazing shit just sitting there! (My norm is to take two.)

Brilliant, simple advice (almost "duh" simple...why did I not think of THAT before!) Thanks!!

ZacapaGold

09-04-10, 16:09

Hi to all,

Can anyone recommend some hotel, service apartment or condo for stay in Bangkok for one month.

What is best value for money?

Accommodation must be girl friendly on good location, I think best is near BTS.

Thank you for suggestions.

Frazer

09-04-10, 16:11

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

Some of you may have noticed a young looking petite black girl with a cute smiling face and a stunning body. She often wears a black top and a colored mini skirt. In the past days I had made a mental note and so when I saw her between soi 5 and 7 I approached her to have some chat before making my decision.

She claims she is from Kenya, that she is 25 and that has worked here for about 4 months. However from her accent and her way of smiling and joking I am almost sure that she is nigerian.

I decided to invite her for a drink and after an initial hesitation (I need to be paid for my time.) she accepted and she followed me to one of the beer bars near NEP. During the following 15/20 minutes we had good time together, we joked about all the bs that she tried to tell me (her name, nationality, her accomodation in BKK.) and we even kissed a couple of times, all very GFE.

Then we discussed about business. She initially asked for 2K bht ST but I told her that I normally pay no more than 1K and that that includes a BBBJ (for which she initially wanted an extra). Also the negotiation went on in a very friendly and cheerful way and in the end she accepted to go for 1K without (apparently) taking it badly.

When at the bar she received the first call on her mobile. My guess is that someone was controlling her.

Off we went to a short time hotel at the beginning of soi 3. Once in the room I undressed her, she helped me with my clothes and then we went for the (cold) shower.

I think that this girl has the best looking body that I have seen in the last 5 or 6 years: an ass to die for, rock solid and round as only a black girl can have, an incredible pair of boobs, round, full, firm and with small and pointy nipples, a smooth and flawless chocolate skin and not a gram of unnecessary fat. Simply fantastic.

I was so horny I could not resist, after some long and passionate DFK I went down on her and (despite the second phone call) in no time she was wet and ready. Then the problems started.

She took me in her mouth (BB as promised) but her poor technique and lack enthusiasm made me change my mind after few seconds. So I put on a condom and got ready to take her missionary. Even if she was still wet she insisted to put some KY in her pussy before I got in.

During the intercurse she didn't move one single muscle (except for the left hand to pick the third phone call), she just spread her legs enough to let me in and maybe she continued breathing. She let me dfk and touch her but for the rest it was like fucking a dead body.

After a couple of minutes I asked her to lay on her stomach and got her from behind but again she did not respond in any way to my efforts. So I stood up, took off the condom and told her that we were finished. She offered to wank me but I refused, went to the shower and then got dressed.

Before leaving (and after pocketing 500 bht that I had left near her bag), she apologised and told me that she felt very bad about her work in Thailand and that actually she had no idea on how to please a man.

When I asked if she had been "circumcised" (nigerians often use this word instead of infibulation) she just smiled to me, of course she had.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?

Christian G

09-04-10, 19:32

In this holiday I was just only one day in Bangkok.

I went in Thermae but many japanese and expensive ladies.

I found many freelancers on Sukhmvit R. Between soi 4 and soi 7/1 for 1.000b st give me very good FS with anal.

Pytheas Mars

09-04-10, 23:42

Would like to share my impressions at Midnite. I must say I had a great time there a few days ago. Prices of drinks are pretty expensive. Singha : 155 if I remember well, lady drink 200. BF : 700

But I found this bar quite nice, with a good layout, good music and lightening and a great number of very attractive, cute, friendly and well dressed girls. Check number 34, she has just the perfect body and a very cute face.

They also have nice shows.

Above all there is, in my opinion, an absolute treasure in this bar. Her name is Bun (sorry if I write it incorrectly). It means apple in Thai. She performs a lot of the shows, you can't miss her. Not very tall, very small breast, certainly not the kind of girl you would call a sex bomb at first. However when she starts dancing and performing she is just incredibly gracefull and elegant. I found the way she moves on stage, most of the time completely nude, so sensual. It turned me on.

I invited her for a drink and found she has a quite unique personality as well. So different from the typical predictable bargirls.

Her younger sister works in the bar as well . Don't remember her name. She is also very good looking, same type of small breast but taller. And a very good dancer.

Well I invite you to visit the place and tell me what you think of the bar and little Bun ! Or has anybody already met her ?

I would love to see her again next time I am in Bangkok …..

Mr Enternational

09-05-10, 00:49

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?Frazer, thanks for taking one for the team. It is greatly appreciated.

Yujin

09-05-10, 03:57

Frazer

09-05-10, 05:55

Can anyone recommend some hotel, service apartment or condo for stay in Bangkok for one month.

What is best value for money?

Accommodation must be girl friendly on good location, I think best is near BTS.
In general for long stays it would be better to speak in person with the hotel as the rates can be much lower than those officially offered. Take into account that normally these long term rates are not advertised through Agoda (or other online dealers), therefore the hotels are not obliged to respect the lowest price guaranteed clause. Also consider that this summer is being a quite tough one for the thai tourism (at least in BKK), so don't be afraid to inquire about promotions even when you are being quoted a price by the hotel itself.

Now some suggestions:

Grand President in soi 11. They are currently offering a long term promotion starting from thb 34.000. (http://www.grandpresident.com/offers.php). The good old Topaz Studios have been recently refurbished and are reasonably comfortable even if they are a bit small, especially for a one-month stay. 100% guest friendly, at 5 minutes walking from Nana BTS.

Bless residence in soi 33. This is a brand new hotel with a terrific rooftop swimming pool. The rooms are much larger and more luxurious than GP as well as more expensive. In their site they advertise monthly rates starting from 53000 bht (http://www.blessresidence.com/blesswebroomstyle.php) but I am sure you can negotiate it down. This is a residence as well as hotel, so for long stays don't forget to inquire about the electricity charges. (if you use a lot the AC, you may consume even 100/150 units a month, so do your math). most likely girl friendly (however ask first), at 5 minutes from Phrong Pong BTS

Cape house Sukhumvit in soi 10. This is a well known thai residence chain with branches in Suk, Lang Suan, Pratunam, etc... Their rooms are good even if less spacious and new than Bless. They offer monthly rates starting from 50K + taxes+ electricity (http://www.capehouse.com/reservation/index.asp). Again, you may want to ask them personally for promotions when you are here or on the phone from your place.

Inquire also about their guest policy (even if they are serviced apartments, so in principle there should be no problem). They are deep in soi 10 but they offer you 24 hours tuk tuk service to and from the Sukhumvit at 2 minutes from Nana BTS.

Hope it helps.

Mealticket

09-05-10, 06:22

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.Thanks

I was thinking about flying to west nigeria to go ST w/ an overweight thai girl w/ a big afro wig.

AussieDoug

09-05-10, 08:59

Hi to all,

Can anyone recommend some hotel, service apartment or condo for stay in Bangkok for one month.Try Bless Apartments in Soi 33, near the Office & Mojo's.

Desi Guy

09-05-10, 10:36

Would like to share my impressions at Midnite. I must say I had a great time there a few days ago. Prices of drinks are pretty expensive. Singha : 155 if I remember well, lady drink 200. BF : 700

But I found this bar quite nice, with a good layout, good music and lightening and a great number of very attractive, cute, friendly and well dressed girls. I'm surprised and disagree with some of what you wrote. First, Midnite's music is really poor. They've been playing the same music for too long and its rarely anything new. Secondly, the lighting is very dark and frankly depressing. Also, navigating the winding staircase to get to the bathroom is a pain and not something you want to do after a few drinks! However to each their own. I prefer the lights, music and more affordable prices at Tilac (San Miguel: 135, lady drinks 100, water: 30).

As for the ladies, the most attractive ones are almost always the coyotes that you cannot barfine. I was there last night and they have a few new ones who were extremely cute but at 200/drink they'll drain your wallet but leave you unsatisfied.

I'd have to check out the girl you recommended. I will agree the shows can be good and last night I saw one of the best I've seen with two girls really going at it. More typical of what you'd see in a Pattaya bar and was a lot of fun. Once they were done the place really emptied out.

Cunning Linguist

09-05-10, 11:07

I have been too busy in China lately but I did want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere ... and it was in Bangkok. It was about 3 weeks ago when I was there. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance. As always, I asked her if she was a ladyboy. I seem to have to ask that. I asked that in Thai and the reply was a shaking of the head and something uttered like like sem-sem. That utterance turned out to be more meaningful than I had bargained for.

Up to the room we went. We started talking but something did not seem quite right. I couldn't put my finger on it. I always try to chat the girls up before I do them. It is just common decency. We had a pleasant enough conversation, she mentioned she did not like the Hotel security people but they always hassle her. Nevertheless, there was that nagging question of something that was gone amiss, something that had gone awry. She then told me that she wanted the money up front. From all the reading I have done on the board, I knew that to be a big mistake and I baulked. I told her that I never, never do that. Never.
She started acting strange. She said, OK, you don't like me, do you? At that point, I didn't but my misgivings gave way to sheer terror at the mere thought of where this was leading to. I flat declared that I did NOT like lady boys at all. That was when the she turned out to be a he as he threw a fit. He told me that he had liked me and that I had been playing with him. I told me that I was no gay and that I really, really, really, really did NOT like ladyboys. Sorry. He then threatened to call the police on me if I didn't give him a thousand baht. I called his bluff and told him to first talk to the Nana Hotel security people. This is a time when speaking some Thai is a great advantage. I told them "phom mai chop katoey leuy. Kao bok gahok. I don't like katoeys at all. He lied to me. He left in a huff, cursing me. I asked them in Thai, why didn't you tell me he was a katoey? Their laughing reply shocked me. Farang chop katoey maak maak!. Farangs like katoeys a lot. I then told them that I did NOT like them and that to tell me next if I brought one in (they have to check the IDs which do indicate the gender).

I was so shaken up by that incident that I decided to act on a kind PM from Giotto who invited me over to Livingston's for a beer. I took a cab over and met the man. He really is a great guy and certainly one of the smartest people that I have ever talked to in Thailand in all my Thai experience. After a couple of hours, I went back to Nana, calmed by my talk with Giotto and decided to try for another girl. It had stopped raining by then and I spotted a girl that really looked undeniably girl-like. I mean, I was really focusing on hard to counterfeit femininity. This girl seem to pass all my questions and I was relieved to see that she passed inspection with the Nana Hotel security people. She was, indeed, a she. It was confirmed, much to my relief.
In my room again, we started chatting in Thai. She said that her father was Moslem, a khaek (Indian) and her mother a Thai. There were none of the weird feelings of the other "girl". I was starting to feel good. She went to take a shower while I was entertaining thoughts of what was going to happen next. She came out wrapped in a towel. Then she sprang it on me: She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.
I was really shaken up by now. I staggered out into the Nana Parking lot more distraught than ever. There were a couple of girls that vied for my attention. I finally told them that I hate katoeys, I only paid after the act. Any problems? No problem, said one of them and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. The girl was extremely girlish. Undeniably so. Slim as I like them though I hate the shaving that seems to blight many girls in Thailand. China is so much better in this respect. She really responded to DATY. In fact, her yoni orifice actually gaped and stayed that way. I had thought that only happened in weird porno pics. She came several times, something which was attestable by the contractions in her vagina. There were even pussy farts when she came! Amazing. Amazing Thailand. Amazing but extraordinarily weird night in Thailand.

AfAsia

09-05-10, 13:57

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?

Absolutely! It would appear the African girls in the suk/soi5 area have a variety of attitude problems. Nice enough pre-fucked but once the guarantee of income is virtually assured, attitude appears to wane. I too have sampled some black tale in this area, not too bad, but will not bother in future. Interestingly enough, after having reached agreement i have never had an African girl bolt from my room early in all of the years of mongering i have done in Africa, unlike Thais. Astonishing, yes!

The Pro

09-05-10, 15:23

As you monger more and more you will always find that as a general rule of thumb (although not exclusive) the "plain jane" or slightly overweight, or perhaps a bit more overweight, girls are always far better in the bed than a stunner.

What do you want is a simple question ? A trophey to parade on your arm, or a real horny girl in the bed.

I know which one I want, although of course sometimes its nice to have a shiny trophey to look at even if it serves no real purpose.

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

Some of you may have noticed a young looking petite black girl with a cute smiling face and a stunning body. She often wears a black top and a colored mini skirt. In the past days I had made a mental note and so when I saw her between soi 5 and 7 I approached her to have some chat before making my decision.

She claims she is from Kenya, that she is 25 and that has worked here for about 4 months. However from her accent and her way of smiling and joking I am almost sure that she is nigerian.

I decided to invite her for a drink and after an initial hesitation (I need to be paid for my time.) she accepted and she followed me to one of the beer bars near NEP. During the following 15/20 minutes we had good time together, we joked about all the bs that she tried to tell me (her name, nationality, her accomodation in BKK.) and we even kissed a couple of times, all very GFE.

Then we discussed about business. She initially asked for 2K bht ST but I told her that I normally pay no more than 1K and that that includes a BBBJ (for which she initially wanted an extra). Also the negotiation went on in a very friendly and cheerful way and in the end she accepted to go for 1K without (apparently) taking it badly.

When at the bar she received the first call on her mobile. My guess is that someone was controlling her.

Off we went to a short time hotel at the beginning of soi 3. Once in the room I undressed her, she helped me with my clothes and then we went for the (cold) shower.

I think that this girl has the best looking body that I have seen in the last 5 or 6 years: an ass to die for, rock solid and round as only a black girl can have, an incredible pair of boobs, round, full, firm and with small and pointy nipples, a smooth and flawless chocolate skin and not a gram of unnecessary fat. Simply fantastic.

I was so horny I could not resist, after some long and passionate DFK I went down on her and (despite the second phone call) in no time she was wet and ready. Then the problems started.

She took me in her mouth (BB as promised) but her poor technique and lack enthusiasm made me change my mind after few seconds. So I put on a condom and got ready to take her missionary. Even if she was still wet she insisted to put some KY in her pussy before I got in.

During the intercurse she didn't move one single muscle (except for the left hand to pick the third phone call), she just spread her legs enough to let me in and maybe she continued breathing. She let me dfk and touch her but for the rest it was like fucking a dead body.

After a couple of minutes I asked her to lay on her stomach and got her from behind but again she did not respond in any way to my efforts. So I stood up, took off the condom and told her that we were finished. She offered to wank me but I refused, went to the shower and then got dressed.

Before leaving (and after pocketing 500 bht that I had left near her bag), she apologised and told me that she felt very bad about her work in Thailand and that actually she had no idea on how to please a man.

When I asked if she had been "circumcised" (nigerians often use this word instead of infibulation) she just smiled to me, of course she had.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?

Frazer

09-05-10, 18:46

Thanks

I was thinking about flying to west nigeria to go ST w/ an overweight thai girl w/ a big afro wig.Ehi! My starfish didn't wear a wig!

David 2

09-05-10, 19:22

she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.

From what I can tell, many girls have been stiffed (excuse the pun) by fellow mongers. Many guys will do the deed and then throw the girl out without paying, or paying a reduced sum. These girls are just trying to protect themselves from some shady individuals in a shady profession.

Member #4698

09-05-10, 19:54

...I did want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere ... and it was in Bangkok. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance.
CL,

Damn, that really was a weird night. And I am glad it finally worked out ok; proving that when you get thrown off a horse the best thing to do is get right back on the saddle again.

Still (and no flame intended), it seems to me like you were looking for love in all the wrong places. For a little extra baht I never run into this sort of stuff at the massage parlors and regular Go Go's I frequent. Once in a while I have seen some very attractive FL's in the Nana Parking lot and Beach Road in Pat (although most are below my cut off point) and I admit I have been tempted, but I always pass on it. Even if a weird night like this is 1 in 1000 anomaly, I prefer certified Grade A Prime Thai pussy. Perhaps the higher risk and adventure is what turns you on. I mean maybe picking up girls in totally "safe" places like Baccara, Thonglor, or Utopia for example is too much like going to Disneyland for you?

Fooolishman

09-05-10, 21:25

I seem to recall that the restaurant above Foodland was called Thai House 2, but I'm not sure it's there anymore - I'll take a look the next time I pass by.For the last several years,the place is now a bar,Country Road 2, with good country music and pool tables. I have not seen freelancers there but mostly couples.
FM.

Mr Enternational

09-05-10, 23:17

and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. Crazy night indeed CL. And raining too? I think after the second time I would have reverted to jacking off instead!

Cunning Linguist

09-05-10, 23:57

CL,

Damn, that really was a weird night. And I am glad it finally worked out ok; proving that when you get thrown off a horse the best thing to do is get right back on the saddle again.

Still (and no flame intended), it seems to me like you were looking for love in all the wrong places. For a little extra baht I never run into this sort of stuff at the massage parlors and regular Go Go's I frequent. Once in a while I have seen some very attractive FL's in the Nana Parking lot and Beach Road in Pat (although most are below my cut off point) and I admit I have been tempted, but I always pass on it. Even if a weird night like this is 1 in 1000 anomaly, I prefer certified Grade A Prime Thai pussy. Perhaps the higher risk and adventure is what turns you on. I mean maybe picking up girls in totally "safe" places like Baccara, Thonglor, or Utopia for example is too much like going to Disneyland for you?

I suppose I prefer the wild, wild hunting grounds for a couple of reasons. 1. In the Nana Parking Lot, I have a 50-50 chance of the girl not shaving completely. In gogo bars, this seems to go down to 0 percent. I really don't like shaved pussies but since all the Westerners like girls to look like their post-90's porn flick stars, sans hair, I am forced to put up with it. 2. I don't like paying bar fines, I don't like paying stiff prices for drinks, and I can't talk to the girls very well in bars where the music is blaring away. Massage parlors are great on certain occasions for me but not late at night (OK, I am strange). By the way, I am heading for Macau soon and will go to a sauna, inspired, in part, by some of your reports from there.

I will be going to Thailand in a week and will be staying at Livingston's. I understand it is a bit more upmarket and that many Japanese are customers (Japanese hate the stupid shaving too). Hopefully, Giotto will guide me to where there are quality girls who are also au naturel. While I respect some people's taste, all I ask is for my taste to be represented as well somewhere ... and I am willing to pay for it. China has taught me that: you get what you pay for.

Bumholes1

09-06-10, 00:03

Crazy night indeed CL. And raining too? I think after the second time I would have reverted to jacking off instead!

These type of situations get the adrenalin flowing. Never give up!

Member #4698

09-06-10, 00:52

cl,

everybody’s got different tastes and preferences. when i travel with friends, it’s always interesting to see and compare the different girls my friends and i choose. most of the time, i prefer spinner girls and naked pussy, but sometimes a ‘c’ cup girl, a taller girl, or a furry bush is a real turn on. variety is the spice of life, although i am currently hooked on asian girls. it has been 6 years since i was last in south america.

nobody likes the barfines and expensive drinks. if i lived and worked in bkk, i am sure my habits would change and i would have a few go go gf’s and massage girls on my cell phone speed dial. i would also have the necessary time to hunt and capture the non-pro thai girls. heaven.

since you travel around china a bit, i know you must see a lot of hairy pussy. macau will not let you down although as you know, the saunas are pricey. i will be back in asia in february. macau, ac, mnl and bkk are on the itinerary. let me know if you will be around and i will buy you a drink.

Guido88

09-06-10, 02:23

CL

Quite a strange night.

Giotto has his own stable available at the lodge. I am sure he can tell you who has bush or not. Your right he is a good guy.

As too prepayment: the girls/?.... most demanding for up front $ are in my opinion usually poor performers. You correctly showed the two demanding ones the door.

David2

Quote (From what I can tell, many girls have been stiffed (excuse the pun) by fellow mongers. Many guys will do the deed and then throw the girl out without paying, or paying a reduced sum. These girls are just trying to protect themselves from some shady individuals in a shady profession.) Quote

Mongers need to protect themselves from shady individuals and Katoey who bait then switch on services offered.

Never pay up front.

Guido88

Giotto

09-06-10, 06:37

...
I will be going to Thailand in a week and will be staying at Livingston's. I understand it is a bit more upmarket and that many Japanese are customers (Japanese hate the stupid shaving too). Hopefully, Giotto will guide me to where there are quality girls who are also au naturel.
...
CL,

I will do my very best ... though I have no idea who has a "bush" and who don't. But somehow - we will find out :).

Btw., Livingstone's has some Japanese customers, but not too many. There are some Japanese KTVs in Soi 33 though.

Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th

Pahllus Maximus

09-06-10, 08:09

Hi Mongers

Nakhon Si Tammarat has some pretty fillies I am told - can anyone enlighten me about this scene ?

Secondly, I am interested in a nice break somewhere, with diving and nice coral, and a nice pair of ladies to come with me for BJ between dives and general entertainment. Any ideas ?

BionicMan

09-06-10, 09:16

CL,

I will do my very best ... though I have no idea who has a "bush" and who don't. But somehow - we will find out :).

Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.thYou have an official mission now!
And fully legitimate as it refers to "customer satisfaction", so start the surveys and interviews!
maybe a pool catwalk? lol

Brassballs

09-06-10, 12:18

My feeling overall is that both these places have devoted pros and semi-pros there, the semi's may even go for free with some people, but overall the devoted pros are probably more often than not the better value, whereas the semi's are usually there partying with their friends and, in my experience, a lot more fun to pick up (at any price.).

YMMV.

-B-[/QUOTE]Well said. It's a market after all.

I prefer the little chase you get with the freelancers.

Marstop

09-06-10, 13:28

I have been too busy in China lately but I did want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere. And it was in Bangkok. It was about 3 weeks ago when I was there. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance. As always, I asked her if she was a ladyboy. I seem to have to ask that. I asked that in Thai and the reply was a shaking of the head and something uttered like like sem-sem. That utterance turned out to be more meaningful than I had bargained for.

Up to the room we went. We started talking but something did not seem quite right. I couldn't put my finger on it. I always try to chat the girls up before I do them. It is just common decency. We had a pleasant enough conversation, she mentioned she did not like the Hotel security people but they always hassle her. Nevertheless, there was that nagging question of something that was gone amiss, something that had gone awry. She then told me that she wanted the money up front. From all the reading I have done on the board, I knew that to be a big mistake and I baulked. I told her that I never, never do that. Never.

She started acting strange. She said, OK, you don't like me, do you? At that point, I didn't but my misgivings gave way to sheer terror at the mere thought of where this was leading to. I flat declared that I did NOT like lady boys at all. That was when the she turned out to be a he as he threw a fit. He told me that he had liked me and that I had been playing with him. I told me that I was no gay and that I really, really, really, really did NOT like ladyboys. Sorry. He then threatened to call the police on me if I didn't give him a thousand baht. I called his bluff and told him to first talk to the Nana Hotel security people. This is a time when speaking some Thai is a great advantage. I told them "phom mai chop katoey leuy. Kao bok gahok. I don't like katoeys at all. He lied to me. He left in a huff, cursing me. I asked them in Thai, why didn't you tell me he was a katoey? Their laughing reply shocked me. Farang chop katoey maak maak!. Farangs like katoeys a lot. I then told them that I did NOT like them and that to tell me next if I brought one in (they have to check the IDs which do indicate the gender).

I was so shaken up by that incident that I decided to act on a kind PM from Giotto who invited me over to Livingston's for a beer. I took a cab over and met the man. He really is a great guy and certainly one of the smartest people that I have ever talked to in Thailand in all my Thai experience. After a couple of hours, I went back to Nana, calmed by my talk with Giotto and decided to try for another girl. It had stopped raining by then and I spotted a girl that really looked undeniably girl-like. I mean, I was really focusing on hard to counterfeit femininity. This girl seem to pass all my questions and I was relieved to see that she passed inspection with the Nana Hotel security people. She was, indeed, a she. It was confirmed, much to my relief.

In my room again, we started chatting in Thai. She said that her father was Moslem, a khaek (Indian) and her mother a Thai. There were none of the weird feelings of the other "girl". I was starting to feel good. She went to take a shower while I was entertaining thoughts of what was going to happen next. She came out wrapped in a towel. Then she sprang it on me: She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.

I was really shaken up by now. I staggered out into the Nana Parking lot more distraught than ever. There were a couple of girls that vied for my attention. I finally told them that I hate katoeys, I only paid after the act. Any problems? No problem, said one of them and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. The girl was extremely girlish. Undeniably so. Slim as I like them though I hate the shaving that seems to blight many girls in Thailand. China is so much better in this respect. She really responded to DATY. In fact, her yoni orifice actually gaped and stayed that way. I had thought that only happened in weird porno pics. She came several times, something which was attestable by the contractions in her vagina. There were even pussy farts when she came! Amazing. Amazing Thailand. Amazing but extraordinarily weird night in Thailand.Thanks for the lucid detailed report. I too have often wondered what these Africans on Sukhumvit might be like. Usually several young ones hanging about on the corner with a much older heavy set female "handler". For me, I always kept walking for two reasons 1. Can't get the (paranoid) thought of all the West African internet scammers out of my head and 2. It always seemed antithetical to the concept of "when in Rome" (akin to seeking out Italian food in Bangkok, etc.) I will concur so to inform those vicariously visiting through these pages. Several of these girls have bodies to die for. Great that you share what is behind the veil, at least on that occasion.

Spider916

09-06-10, 15:18

I hear more and more stories from some BG not getting paid by their customers (many from the Middle East or Subcontinent but also Europeans) after the act. Maybe that happened to her recently?

She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.

Spider916

09-06-10, 15:21

I dont go there anymore after witnessing some ugly scenes where customers got beaten up by security. The fat Mamasan is also a ***** and the girls are way too pushy. I agree tough that some are quite nice looking and being all high on Ice can be good lays.

I'm surprised and disagree with some of what you wrote. First, Midnite's music is really poor. They've been playing the same music for too long and its rarely anything new. Secondly, the lighting is very dark and frankly depressing. Also, navigating the winding staircase to get to the bathroom is a pain and not something you want to do after a few drinks! However to each their own. I prefer the lights, music and more affordable prices at Tilac (San Miguel: 135, lady drinks 100, water: 30).

As for the ladies, the most attractive ones are almost always the coyotes that you cannot barfine. I was there last night and they have a few new ones who were extremely cute but at 200/drink they'll drain your wallet but leave you unsatisfied.

I'd have to check out the girl you recommended. I will agree the shows can be good and last night I saw one of the best I've seen with two girls really going at it. More typical of what you'd see in a Pattaya bar and was a lot of fun. Once they were done the place really emptied out.

Spider916

09-06-10, 15:38

That was probably all small street that run parallel to the railway and Petchaburi. I think its called Thanon Phet Uthai (google it). It only gets busy rather late.

Not entirely sure but my guess is that you are talking about the street girls outside what used to be the old Siam Hotel. They tore the hotel down a few years back but I've also seen the freelancers there while coming in from the airport but never saw the flashlights. I've been told it's mainly a scene for the Thais and very few of the girls speak any English. But some of them did look nice in catching a quick flash as we drove by but often I have found with street girls that with better lighting and closer inspection you have to re-evaluate that first impression. They also have street girls around Lumpini Park and one night I did the circle on foot and didn't see one that looked remotely attractive. The old Siam Hotel is on Petcheburi Road (parallell to Sukhumvit)near Asoke.

Betong

09-06-10, 15:44

Nakhon Si Tammarat has some pretty fillies I am told - can anyone enlighten me about this scene ?Big area just n. of Carrefour. Walk around up there any evening and you'll get plenty of offers from the girls in front of the various shops.

Suggest you move this to "Other Areas" . . . .

Spider916

09-06-10, 16:26

Thanks for summarising so well what many of us, who are sick and tired to read those absurd rants about prices, think.

Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK, ranging from the cheap streetworkers at 500 Bath to real Models where the sky is the limit. You can rant as much as you like but can't change it. Different people have different tastes and different means. The same applies to houses, hotels, flights, clothes, cars, watches, food etc.

There are plenty wealthy guys in BKK, be they Thai, Asians or Farangs, who do not mind spending the same percentage of their income as most mongers on girls, but in their case that percentage adds up to a handsome amount.

One of my regulars just came back from a 5 day trip to Phuket staying in a fantastic villa, with a wealthy American. He paid her 100.000 for her time plus food etc.

Did the guy know that he "overspend" by Thai standards ? Yes. Did her care ? No, because he was very happy with the service rendered, had a great holiday which allowed him to recharge his batteries before heading back to the 80 hours workweek in Silicon Valley, and in the US he would probably have spend that much in a day, without any guarantee of good services.

Another 30 something year old girl, I know well, got an expensive condo on Thonglor, a Beamer and 100.000 from her Aussie gig who visits about 3 days a month. Knowing the guy's position and company, his income is at least 300.000 USD per year. Much more in the good years when the bonuses where fat. As long as she keeps him happy when he visits, he doesnt mind those, in his view, reasonable expenses.

Some Thai tycoons spend millions every month on their actress gigs. So what?

Frazer

09-06-10, 17:31

Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK,In fact there are.

But the discussion was not about supermodels vs. Nana SW, it was about a fellow monger who paid 2. 500 + tip 500 for a short time in Soi Cowboy.

Our friend was so nice to explain that he paid that amount because 1) he doesn't like to negotiate and 2) he was happy with the girl, hence he tipped.

While I very much respect our fellow's wiew and decision, I stand with my point that overpaying in Thailand is not necessary and often is not wise. Overpaying (meaning giving more than how you are expected/supposed to with noting in exchange) won't make you more popular or guarantee you a better service. There are endless reports here and on other fora mentioning unreasonable requests punctually followed by awful attitude and poor performance in bed. And in a country where most of the people, even rich ones, are careful consumers and do not like to make public display of their wealth, overspending seriously risks to make you look like a sucker rather than successful guy with a top salary.

Of course IMHO.

HenryV

09-06-10, 17:40

Well said. Now lets say amen, put it to bed, and move on. Most of us joined this board to exchange information, not to read constant haranging about prices.

Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK, ranging from the cheap streetworkers at 500 Bath to real Models where the sky is the limit. You can rant as much as you like but can't change it. Different people have different tastes and different means. The same applies to houses, hotels, flights, clothes, cars, watches, food etc.

There are plenty wealthy guys in BKK, be they Thai, Asians or Farangs, who do not mind spending the same percentage of their income as most mongers on girls, but in their case that percentage adds up to a handsome amount.

One of my regulars just came back from a 5 day trip to Phuket staying in a fantastic villa, with a wealthy American. He paid her 100.000 for her time plus food etc.

Did the guy know that he "overspend" by Thai standards ? Yes. Did her care ? No, because he was very happy with the service rendered, had a great holiday which allowed him to recharge his batteries before heading back to the 80 hours workweek in Silicon Valley, and in the US he would probably have spend that much in a day, without any guarantee of good services.

Another 30 something year old girl, I know well, got an expensive condo on Thonglor, a Beamer and 100.000 from her Aussie gig who visits about 3 days a month. Knowing the guy's position and company, his income is at least 300.000 USD per year. Much more in the good years when the bonuses where fat. As long as she keeps him happy when he visits, he doesnt mind those, in his view, reasonable expenses.

Some Thai tycoons spend millions every month on their actress gigs. So what?

BionicMan

09-06-10, 17:47

Well said. Now lets say amen, put it to bed, and move on. Most of us joined this board to exchange information, not to read constant haranging about prices.I agree
It is good to know the low prices, the average and reasonable ones and, as a curiosity, what some are paying
We are all grown up to recoggnize the high prices and we dont need to comment but if someone is happy to spend...let him be happy.
I myselg make comments in my mind on some outrageously cheap prices (a beggar would get moew, sometime), nevertheless I dont bother the folks here with my comments on those cheap charlies :)

HenryV

09-06-10, 17:50

Sounds more like a soliciation.

Was there once and the thing that stuck out the most was that management seemed like a coiled spring, ready to pop.

Would like to share my impressions at Midnite. I must say I had a great time there a few days ago. Prices of drinks are pretty expensive. Singha : 155 if I remember well, lady drink 200. BF : 700

But I found this bar quite nice, with a good layout, good music and lightening and a great number of very attractive, cute, friendly and well dressed girls. Check number 34, she has just the perfect body and a very cute face.

They also have nice shows.

Above all there is, in my opinion, an absolute treasure in this bar. Her name is Bun (sorry if I write it incorrectly). It means apple in Thai. She performs a lot of the shows, you can't miss her. Not very tall, very small breast, certainly not the kind of girl you would call a sex bomb at first. However when she starts dancing and performing she is just incredibly gracefull and elegant. I found the way she moves on stage, most of the time completely nude, so sensual. It turned me on.

I invited her for a drink and found she has a quite unique personality as well. So different from the typical predictable bargirls.

Her younger sister works in the bar as well . Don't remember her name. She is also very good looking, same type of small breast but taller. And a very good dancer.

Well I invite you to visit the place and tell me what you think of the bar and little Bun ! Or has anybody already met her ?

I would love to see her again next time I am in Bangkok …..

HenryV

09-06-10, 17:59

Great report. Thanks for the heads-up (no pun intended).

Yesterday, after some 30 days in BKK, I decided to give a try to one of the african SW working on the low Suk.

Some of you may have noticed a young looking petite black girl with a cute smiling face and a stunning body. She often wears a black top and a colored mini skirt. In the past days I had made a mental note and so when I saw her between soi 5 and 7 I approached her to have some chat before making my decision.

She claims she is from Kenya, that she is 25 and that has worked here for about 4 months. However from her accent and her way of smiling and joking I am almost sure that she is nigerian.

I decided to invite her for a drink and after an initial hesitation (I need to be paid for my time.) she accepted and she followed me to one of the beer bars near NEP. During the following 15/20 minutes we had good time together, we joked about all the bs that she tried to tell me (her name, nationality, her accomodation in BKK.) and we even kissed a couple of times, all very GFE.

Then we discussed about business. She initially asked for 2K bht ST but I told her that I normally pay no more than 1K and that that includes a BBBJ (for which she initially wanted an extra). Also the negotiation went on in a very friendly and cheerful way and in the end she accepted to go for 1K without (apparently) taking it badly.

When at the bar she received the first call on her mobile. My guess is that someone was controlling her.

Off we went to a short time hotel at the beginning of soi 3. Once in the room I undressed her, she helped me with my clothes and then we went for the (cold) shower.

I think that this girl has the best looking body that I have seen in the last 5 or 6 years: an ass to die for, rock solid and round as only a black girl can have, an incredible pair of boobs, round, full, firm and with small and pointy nipples, a smooth and flawless chocolate skin and not a gram of unnecessary fat. Simply fantastic.

I was so horny I could not resist, after some long and passionate DFK I went down on her and (despite the second phone call) in no time she was wet and ready. Then the problems started.

She took me in her mouth (BB as promised) but her poor technique and lack enthusiasm made me change my mind after few seconds. So I put on a condom and got ready to take her missionary. Even if she was still wet she insisted to put some KY in her pussy before I got in.

During the intercurse she didn't move one single muscle (except for the left hand to pick the third phone call), she just spread her legs enough to let me in and maybe she continued breathing. She let me dfk and touch her but for the rest it was like fucking a dead body.

After a couple of minutes I asked her to lay on her stomach and got her from behind but again she did not respond in any way to my efforts. So I stood up, took off the condom and told her that we were finished. She offered to wank me but I refused, went to the shower and then got dressed.

Before leaving (and after pocketing 500 bht that I had left near her bag), she apologised and told me that she felt very bad about her work in Thailand and that actually she had no idea on how to please a man.

When I asked if she had been "circumcised" (nigerians often use this word instead of infibulation) she just smiled to me, of course she had.

In conclusion I think that this girl is culturally, psychologically and physically unfit to be a good sex companion. If you need more than a gorgeous body in your bed then you should look somewhere else. I am not saying that all the africans in BKK will offer the same bad service but in the end why bother when thai girls in this sense are (often) a guarantee?

HenryV

09-06-10, 18:15

You have done us all a great service by posting this. I will certainly ask to see an ID and check gender in Nana Parking Lot.

Thanks again.

I have been too busy in China lately but I did

want to tell about one of the the weirdest nights I have ever had anywhere ... and it was in Bangkok. It was about 3 weeks ago when I was there. It was a very rainy night and so I stepped out of my hotel room at Nana Hotel to survey the local talent. Admittedly, that is less easy when it starts to pour. A smiling face caught my eye and the face seemed to be pleasant enough. I was intrigued by how she rolled her eyes at me. I asked how much and she stated 1500 baht. I said no way and offered 1200 baht. THat, of course, is 200 over the standard short time fee but I was taken by that glance. As always, I asked her if she was a ladyboy. I seem to have to ask that. I asked that in Thai and the reply was a shaking of the head and something uttered like like sem-sem. That utterance turned out to be more meaningful than I had bargained for.

Up to the room we went. We started talking but something did not seem quite right. I couldn't put my finger on it. I always try to chat the girls up before I do them. It is just common decency. We had a pleasant enough conversation, she mentioned she did not like the Hotel security people but they always hassle her. Nevertheless, there was that nagging question of something that was gone amiss, something that had gone awry. She then told me that she wanted the money up front. From all the reading I have done on the board, I knew that to be a big mistake and I baulked. I told her that I never, never do that. Never.
She started acting strange. She said, OK, you don't like me, do you? At that point, I didn't but my misgivings gave way to sheer terror at the mere thought of where this was leading to. I flat declared that I did NOT like lady boys at all. That was when the she turned out to be a he as he threw a fit. He told me that he had liked me and that I had been playing with him. I told me that I was no gay and that I really, really, really, really did NOT like ladyboys. Sorry. He then threatened to call the police on me if I didn't give him a thousand baht. I called his bluff and told him to first talk to the Nana Hotel security people. This is a time when speaking some Thai is a great advantage. I told them "phom mai chop katoey leuy. Kao bok gahok. I don't like katoeys at all. He lied to me. He left in a huff, cursing me. I asked them in Thai, why didn't you tell me he was a katoey? Their laughing reply shocked me. Farang chop katoey maak maak!. Farangs like katoeys a lot. I then told them that I did NOT like them and that to tell me next if I brought one in (they have to check the IDs which do indicate the gender).

I was so shaken up by that incident that I decided to act on a kind PM from Giotto who invited me over to Livingston's for a beer. I took a cab over and met the man. He really is a great guy and certainly one of the smartest people that I have ever talked to in Thailand in all my Thai experience. After a couple of hours, I went back to Nana, calmed by my talk with Giotto and decided to try for another girl. It had stopped raining by then and I spotted a girl that really looked undeniably girl-like. I mean, I was really focusing on hard to counterfeit femininity. This girl seem to pass all my questions and I was relieved to see that she passed inspection with the Nana Hotel security people. She was, indeed, a she. It was confirmed, much to my relief.
In my room again, we started chatting in Thai. She said that her father was Moslem, a khaek (Indian) and her mother a Thai. There were none of the weird feelings of the other "girl". I was starting to feel good. She went to take a shower while I was entertaining thoughts of what was going to happen next. She came out wrapped in a towel. Then she sprang it on me: She demanded payment upfront immediately. WTF! Though no ladyboy, she was just as adamant about prepayment as the katoey. I replied that was not my policy. I told her that I never, never do that. Never. (I was beginning to sound like a broken record). She then get dressed and left the room in a furious huff. Perhaps someone on the board might tell me why. I suspect that she might have had a hideous scar or was circumcised (defibulation of the labia) or something frighteningly weird.
I was really shaken up by now. I staggered out into the Nana Parking lot more distraught than ever. There were a couple of girls that vied for my attention. I finally told them that I hate katoeys, I only paid after the act. Any problems? No problem, said one of them and for the third time now, I went up to the room with somebody. This time, it was very pleasant. The girl was extremely girlish. Undeniably so. Slim as I like them though I hate the shaving that seems to blight many girls in Thailand. China is so much better in this respect. She really responded to DATY. In fact, her yoni orifice actually gaped and stayed that way. I had thought that only happened in weird porno pics. She came several times, something which was attestable by the contractions in her vagina. There were even pussy farts when she came! Amazing. Amazing Thailand. Amazing but extraordinarily weird night in Thailand.

El Frances

09-06-10, 18:22

Hear, hear.

I hope some day everybody will understand that there are plenty of different markets in BKK, ranging from the cheap streetworkers at 500 Bath to real Models where the sky is the limit. You can rant as much as you like but can't change it. Different people have different tastes and different means. The same applies to houses, hotels, flights, clothes, cars, watches, food etc.

There are plenty wealthy guys in BKK, be they Thai, Asians or Farangs, who do not mind spending the same percentage of their income as most mongers on girls, but in their case that percentage adds up to a handsome amount.

One of my regulars just came back from a 5 day trip to Phuket staying in a fantastic villa, with a wealthy American. He paid her 100.000 for her time plus food etc.

Did the guy know that he "overspend" by Thai standards ? Yes. Did her care ? No, because he was very happy with the service rendered, had a great holiday which allowed him to recharge his batteries before heading back to the 80 hours workweek in Silicon Valley, and in the US he would probably have spend that much in a day, without any guarantee of good services.

Another 30 something year old girl, I know well, got an expensive condo on Thonglor, a Beamer and 100.000 from her Aussie gig who visits about 3 days a month. Knowing the guy's position and company, his income is at least 300.000 USD per year. Much more in the good years when the bonuses where fat. As long as she keeps him happy when he visits, he doesnt mind those, in his view, reasonable expenses.

Some Thai tycoons spend millions every month on their actress gigs. So what?

I know it's an endless debate but:

- don't confuse issues: overpaying is not paying more for a higher quality girl, it's paying more than most other customers for the same girl in the same place. Taking your examples to the extreme it's like paying a VW the price of a Mercedes. Paying a Mercedes the price of a Mercedes is not overpaying.

- what you point out at the beginning of your post (different qualities, different places) is exactly what readers expect from this forum: to know how much they can pay for a given quality of girl in a given place. They are not interested in knowing how much other people overpay!

Bkk A Ok

09-06-10, 19:03

Don't want to start another war of words over pricing but reading the last 2 pages has got me thinking. Will be in BKK relatively soon.

I've gone a couple of times in the past and for the gogo's I've only ever barfined from Shark, Tilac and Baccarra.

For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price. Have tried in the past to cut 500 baht off but I don't put a lot of effort into this (similar to a previous poster who said he'd rather just skip a girl if they price high to start and be done with it).

I have bf'd a real stunner from Shark a couple of times and have her email/sms so usually meet up with her if I'm around. She says she always throws out 3000/6000 and usually gets 2 short times a night?!! Also for the Japanese guys will throw out 5000 ST as a starting point and get taken up on it a fair amount of the time. We hit it off pretty good so I pay her more in line what I'd pay other girls (4000 LT) there but still maybe the whole thing is a giant tarp and I really should be paying 50% less and am a massive sucker here. Just want a reality check.

Desi Guy

09-06-10, 21:28

I've seen several posts recently asking where you can get a massage after closing time in Bangkok (after 2-3am). I didn't realize until a few days ago that this is readily available along Soi 11 on the right-hand side when entering from Sukhumvit. You'll see many ladies asking if you want a massage and they're not freelancers but have signs indicating the massage shops behind them on the soi; this was true both over the past weekend and tonight on a Monday so it seems that it's available most/every night. If you've hit the club Climax at the Ambassador Hotel you probably walked too far from what I can tell.

I didn't partake though and can't vouch for the quality of the women or the massage, but at least the option exists on this street for those interested after closing time. Would love to get some feedback from anyone who has actually sampled the late night action.

Desi Guy

09-06-10, 21:43

I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price. From my experience ST/LT prices are very dependent on the specific lady in question -- some ask for outrageous LT prices, especially early in the night because they often are able to score 2-3 STs; but if they're free late in the night esp on a weeknight you can get a great deal.

I've paid 3000 LT in Shark several times and didn't have trouble negotiating that. In fact, a couple times this year with some real beauties I never discussed price and handed them a $100 USD bill the next morning and they were quite pleased (maybe that has changed slightly now given the baht's increasing strength vs the dollar!).

My guess is that expectations at Baccara are higher given the Japanese clientele and their willingness to be more price inelastic.

Guido88

09-07-10, 00:24

I agree
It is good to know the low prices, the average and reasonable ones and, as a curiosity, what some are paying
We are all grown up to recoggnize the high prices and we dont need to comment but if someone is happy to spend...let him be happy.
I myselg make comments in my mind on some outrageously cheap prices (a beggar would get moew, sometime), nevertheless I dont bother the folks here with my comments on those cheap charlies :)

Valid points on both sides of the scale.

Although I was the one to start the most recent price war discussion what is most important IMHO is to experience an enjoyable session with fair value.

From my experience a higher price does not translate to better service. The negotiated price is simply a starting point.

If she does an outstanding job she deserves a reflective tip. A few hundred or a thousand baht will not break any of us.

Any monger that stiffs the girls is an asshole. The same applies to any WG who stiffs a monger with shit service. If I pay for a "starfish experience" the lower negotiated price feels a little better as I kick her out the door.

I remember a great session in Amsterdam, we clicked, talked and fucked and at the end she forgot to ask for money. I was a good 4 blocks away when I realized I forgot to pay her. Promptly went back, paid her and saw her several more times.

I firmly believe we all need to be paid for good work.

Guido88

HenryV

09-07-10, 00:51

I would respectfully disagree. At any age, I would, and do, make it a point of stopping at the desk to make sure they take my gals ID. If I remember, I say loud enough for my friend to hear: "its ok if you call me when she leaves."

One or two times it has helped me out in a tight spot, particularly in the Philippines.

[QUOTE=B9999]I went to Fantasia (amongst others. LOL) in NEP and BF'd a delightful, young, cute, slim, gorgeous, tiny, smooth-skinned lady. Took her back to my hotel (Landmark) and was lucky enough not to be stopped by security.

The Pro

09-07-10, 03:50

Thai's are greedy, they also negotiate. Therefore its quite common for them to quote high prices and then you negotiate down. If you are unwilling to negotiate you will always pay a higher amount than others.

Yes, a lot of it comes down to how handsome you are, if you can speak Thai, if you are a far old git etc....... and this does have a bearing on price. A Thai girl from a top NEP bar would happily accept 2000B for LT with a nice guy she likes and would demand 4000B for LT with a guy she does not like.

Thats life, get over it.

You can get good quality pussy for 1K to 1.5K short time, and 2K to 2.5K long time.

If you are paying over that you are, by local standards, getting ripped off, but a holiday farang who knows no better, or someone who thinks they are better by paying more, there are many of them around and the girls will always ask a high price in the hope the mug punter agree's to it and does not negotiate down.

This is Asia and you negotiate on pricing in bars and freelancers places.

Oil Massage places its very simple.

400B for 1 hour
600B for 90 mins
800B for 2 hours.

This fee is paid to the receptionist either at entry or exit.

Give the girl 500B for a HJ, 1000B for a BBBJ or 1500B if all that plus FS.

No need to tip more.

Bangkok is very simple price wise, if you let yourself get ripped off, you will get ripped off. If a girl likes you she will accept a lower price, if she does not (no matter how much she sticks her tongue down your throat in the bar or rubs your dick) she will ask for a high price.

What about me ? Well, I adopt the same policy I have in Bangkok to what I use in Manila. She gives me her mobile number and I call her outside of work, or she can go back to dance at the bar. I do not do bar fines and certainly do not overpay, but then, I have the luxury of living here a lot of the time and also speaking Thai :)

Don't want to start another war of words over pricing but reading the last 2 pages has got me thinking. Will be in BKK relatively soon.

I've gone a couple of times in the past and for the gogo's I've only ever barfined from Shark, Tilac and Baccarra.

For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

I've paid 3000 LT in Tilac before, but for Shark/Baccara 2000/4000 seems going rate although to be fair I haven't pushed really hard on price. Have tried in the past to cut 500 baht off but I don't put a lot of effort into this (similar to a previous poster who said he'd rather just skip a girl if they price high to start and be done with it).

I have bf'd a real stunner from Shark a couple of times and have her email/sms so usually meet up with her if I'm around. She says she always throws out 3000/6000 and usually gets 2 short times a night?!! Also for the Japanese guys will throw out 5000 ST as a starting point and get taken up on it a fair amount of the time. We hit it off pretty good so I pay her more in line what I'd pay other girls (4000 LT) there but still maybe the whole thing is a giant tarp and I really should be paying 50% less and am a massive sucker here. Just want a reality check.

Frazer

09-07-10, 06:16

For the guys who scoff at the 2000 ST / 4000 LT rates would you include the above 3 bars in that or is it geared towards NEP and beer bars?

Because 1000-1500 ST and 1500-2000 LT feels unrealistic in the above mentioned 3 bars. Lets assume you're only interested in taking the better looking broads.

Correct. It is very difficult to go below the 2000/4000 threshold in the bars you mentioned and the same goes for the best NEP bars such as the Rainbows. In fact these prices are kind of imposed by the establishments through the mamasans and the older ladies. In other words, someone else, a third party, not happy enough to be paid the barfine, decides how much I have to give to my chick to bang her or even just to sleep with her (yes, sure, LOL). Some bars, I was told, go further in this and even check if the girls actually obtained the correct amount, go figure.

Who gains from this practice? For sure not the punters who are confronted with a kind of cartel. The girls? IMHO no, because the real stunners (10, 15%?) get regularly barfined while the others especially in the low season cannot really compete by lowering their requests. In addition, the girls cannot choose to go with someone that they prefer by reducing their rates and charging more those who they would like to avoid.

The bars? Well, in the short term it is just fantastic: for the same salary they keep their girls at work for longer, often until the closing time and the girls keep attracting customers (who likes an empty bar?) and milk them with overpriced drinks, ping pong balls baskets and so on.

In the long run? Well, IMO it is enough to see how many bars are empty in Nana and how many streetwalkers you can find on the Suk, at the beergarded and late at night in the discos.

Personally I spend less and less (money and time) in the gogos and focus more on the massages and freelancers. From time to time I barfine some girls from Nana and Cowboy (Patpong no longer exists for me), but actually just when I find someone who is not pushy and has a nice and easy attitude (well, big boobs help too). Do I negotiate? Sure but within the limits and always with a smile. Tip? Why not if I got more than I expected?

Tiger 888

09-07-10, 07:49

...Personally I spend less and less (money and time) in the gogos and focus more on the massages and freelancers. From time to time I barfine some girls from Nana and Cowboy (Patpong no longer exists for me), but actually just when I find someone who is not pushy and has a nice and easy attitude (well, big boobs help too). Do I negotiate? Sure but within the limits and always with a smile. Tip? Why not if I got more than I expected?
Time also helps. I once wanted to take a cutie from one of the SC bars (forgot which one). She wanted 4000 for LT. I said I never pay more than 2000. She wouldn't budge. I said: ok, I leave now and come back after 2 days. When I got back there, she immediately sat with me and agreed to 2000 LT. I gave her a tip in the morning.

Amjeck

09-07-10, 09:44

It is very difficult to go below the 2000/4000 threshold in the bars you mentioned and the same goes for the best NEP bars such as the Rainbows.
Disagree.

If you're a good negotiator it's easy to get even rainbow girls to drop to 1500 ST or even less. There is no universal price. Get that out of your head.

Frazer

09-07-10, 11:30

Disagree.

If you're a good negotiator it's easy to get even rainbow girls to drop to 1500 ST or even less. There is no universal price. Get that out of your head.I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.

I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.

Sometimes they were girls declining my offers (and this story may be part of the negotiation) but in some cases they were girls actually accepting less than the going rate (yes, it happens but I repeat that IMO it is *very difficult* unless you go for a dog).

And at least three of my "sources" are girls that I've known for ages, that I visit quite regularly because I consider them kind of friends but that I have never and will never barfine (e. G. One is the regular of a friend).

There are other examples of gogos in Pty (Super baby? Super girl?) where the mamasan directly informs the clients on the rates complete with a price menu that she gently leaves on the table near the drinks, go figure.

Phuquer

09-07-10, 11:53

Late night massage is available at Sabai Sabai on Sukhumvit Soi 11. This is their page showing directions:

http://www.sabaisabaimassage.com/p6.html

I have been there a couple of times and the massage is decent. The selection of girls is pretty good. Only problem (for some) is that the girls are reluctant to give more than a HJ or BJ in the shop. Overall, I have enjoyed my sessions there and I will return.

I've seen several posts recently asking where you can get a massage after closing time in Bangkok (after 2-3am). I didn't realize until a few days ago that this is readily available along Soi 11 on the right-hand side when entering from Sukhumvit. You'll see many ladies asking if you want a massage and they're not freelancers but have signs indicating the massage shops behind them on the soi; this was true both over the past weekend and tonight on a Monday so it seems that it's available most/every night. If you've hit the club Climax at the Ambassador Hotel you probably walked too far from what I can tell.

I didn't partake though and can't vouch for the quality of the women or the massage, but at least the option exists on this street for those interested after closing time. Would love to get some feedback from anyone who has actually sampled the late night action.

Bkk A Ok

09-07-10, 13:35

From my experience ST/LT prices are very dependent on the specific lady in question -- some ask for outrageous LT prices, especially early in the night because they often are able to score 2-3 STs; but if they're free late in the night esp on a weeknight you can get a great deal.Weeknight. I find that timing is so underrated! When I'm in BKK really it's only a wknd holiday from Singapore, so I'm in on Thurs/Fri/Sat and at the gogo around 10-11 pm .... pretty much when the demand is highest.

From experience in Singapore, prices are lower and you can much more easily bargain on a Monday a little early in the night than on a wknd at prime hours.

Duniawala

09-07-10, 16:20

Must Stop

09-07-10, 18:54

I think it is good once in while to regurgitate information so that it resurfaces for newbies. A lot of posting/FR’s seem to be aiming for existing mongers. I owe this forum anyway for the information gleaned here.

Looking back at this posting I realise I do jump about a lot. Please indulge me.
Also have tried to write to be as informative as possible to a total newbie, so a lot of obvious stuff is here. Sometimes I am being funny in a drool way.

So let me recount my 2 trips to Bangkok (BKK) (and Pattaya, but that will be in the Pattaya section) and my observations.

My first trip was in late November up to early Dec 2007 (Low season so hotels are cheaper) Some of my memory might be hazy. I did write about it before. Unfortunately I lost my password and had to take another nom de guerre. I have also taken the precaution of writing all this out in word rather than directly into ISG. I have lost quite a few lengthy reports because of the time cut-off in the ISG posting of 30 mins.

In preparation for the trip I focused on the “reports of distinction” thread rather than the main thread in ISG. Some of the longer reports are quite informative. The few that proved most useful at that time ( in 2007) where from other newbies as they contained a lot of basic information that is taken as a given in the forum. Buy a guidebook as well. I always find it useful to get one wherever I go. SIM cards can be gotten at any 7-11’s and they are all over Thailand. An adaptor for the battery charger should be in most electronic shops. I got mine in Pattaya. All it does is adapt the plug. I barely used my thai phone in both my trips.

My initial plan was to stay in Bangkok for 4 days, then 5 days elsewhere and then back to Bangkok for 1-2 days before flying back.

I was choosing between Koh Samui and Pattaya for the 4 days in between. Finally choose Pattaya. The cost of flights to Koh Samui from the monopoly provider did not make sense (the airline owns the only airport in Koh Samui hence the exorbitant rates, either that or an 8 hour train ride (if I recall correctly), then ferry to the island) though it seemed I would have the hotel by the beach to myself due to the low season.

I decided as a first timer to Bangkok to stay at Giotto’s (Livingstone lodge http://www.livingstones.co.th/).

As I was not familiar of Bangkok, I wanted an establishment that was guaranteed girl-friendly (some hotels charge an additional fee if you bring a “guest” as I read in the forum) and also that had a bar in the premises. Giotto has his own thread, but just to let others know, there is a bar with Working Girls (WG) in his premises Sports Lounge, by the pool). I thought that this would be the best way to ease my way into Bangkok.

First Day

I arrived at the airport. Towards the left on the ground floor, there is a taxi stand. You
state your destination and they direct you to a taxi, which is usually the next one in
the line (but I understand now there are trains from the airport to Bangkok). If I
remember correctly I paid about THB500 including toll. Apparently this is more that
it should be but it was on the meter so I am not sure how this could be. As you come
from the airport, Bangkok is spread before you and it is a Metropolis.

When I go on holiday, the day I think changes. I enter into a stream of consciousness mode as if I am a third person observing myself and all around me.

I tend to chat to taxi drivers. Always like to know about their lives etc to get a feel of the lay of the land. He told me he visit his family once a month (they live in a farm outside of Bangkok. He told me as well he lives in his car. Well it is believable.

I reached Livingstone Lodge and checked in.

Livingstone’s Lodge is located in Soi 33 (Soi I think is street so Street 33 off Sukhimvit). There are a couple of (I learned later) hostess bars around as well as some massage places (some I believe have closed?).
I have told the are called the Dead Artist corner but have never heard the term used in the forum. The hostess bar are all named after artist i.e. Michaelangelo etc. I never ever when into any of them.

At the entrance to Soi 33 towards Sukhumvit on the left there is an English pub where I am told the steaks are good.

After checking in (this was in the afternoon). My first port of call was Akane (ww.akane-corp.com/english/english_top.html). Akane used to be all the rage in the forum in 2007 ( I think otherwise it would be unlikely I would have visited there) but barely gets a mention now.

Once outside of Livingstone Lodge, turn left and walk up. Not that easy to find as it is in the car park of a hotel probably 5 minutes from the Lodge. There should be a sign on the top left and once you reach the mouth of the car park you will be able to see it.

I took the 2 ladies option as that was the recommended option in the forum.
Please note this is not a fuck joint. I paid the price on the menu.
(Going into hazy memory territory here). One girl came in (or lady, not really girls anymore) and was taken to be washed in the corner bathroom. After the preliminary massage, this lady was on top of me, acting as if she was riding me with her hand at the back holding my penis and stimulating a vagina. Later on the 2nd girl came in and while this was happening gave me a bbbj. And that was it.

I read in the forum it was customary to tip but really up to you if you are going to be a repeat customer. I wasn’t. This stimulated stuff was not my cup of tea.

That night I came down and when to the Sports Lounge at Livingstone’s and shyly entered in. They were quite friendly girls and nice ones. Most can speak English. I was introduced to 2 and after some chit-chattin , asked about the system (bar fines etc) while having a g&t of course (and buying them a drink each). One of them was more experienced and in the end I barfined here and we went to my room. She was quite eager to my companion throughout my stay there including being my tourist guide in Thailand. I prefer to do my own thing and anyway this was my first day there. I think people to do that in Livingstone.

Staying along the BTS (Bangkok MassTransit System) is a blessing. I never used a taxi again in Bangkok except to take Working Girls (WG) back to the hotel (and to get back from the royal palace). Phrom Phong is the nearest station, about a few minutes walk away.

I had made plans for my daytime hours as well based on my guidebook. I don’t sleep much on holidays. Usually too pumped up so little sleep is required.

Must Stop

09-07-10, 18:55

2nd day

The next morning after having my breakfast (provided) at Livingstone’s I made my first true foray into Bangkok. I do not recall the sequence of my day time trips as in what I did first. I wanted to visit the many Buddhist temples around Bangkok as I had an interest in those things.

On the first day I believe (being the horny bastard that I am) I believe I went to find the bier garden (Soi 7) and the Eden Club ( Soi 7/1). On to the BTS. I believe I bought a ticket that allowed me a couple of trips. The staff in the ticket booths should be able to help you. Eden Club is not easy but go into Soi 7/1 and it is towards the end of the row of shops on the left. I believe the actual road is underneath the actual station stop. The BTS station to stop at is Nana

I believe the procedures at Eden Club are amply documented in the forum. One set of girls, those who do A (Anal) stand on the left and those who don’t on the right or vice versa. The procedure will be explained to you by the mamasan so no worries. Pick one girl you like and she will choose the 2nd girl. In the end I found the girl I did not choose the more attractive one. Everyone goes for the 2 girls option with one A-level and one without.

I have no taste for A-level’s. Tried it once but the very idea of putting my willy in someone’s asshole dismisses my ardor. The main thing here is the 2 girl option. When to a simply furnished room. No issues there (except a small cockroach that scurried around in the toilet). Got washed and then down to business with both of then giving me BJ’s and then I pounded while kissing another. 2nd round pounded the other. Got complimented as having given a good fuck. There are toys etc for those interested

It was ok. One of the girls gave me her card and told she was available for outcalls. I never went back. Generally one girl is good for me. You can only concentrate on pleasuring and fucking one girl at a time. I get my pleasure from also making sure the girl is able to cum too (which gets me in situations where I ask the girl what she likes and she comes back and ask what I like and it goes in circles, they can’t understand that her pleasure is my pleasure). Very hard to imagine a 2 girl scenario where one is intimate or gets the Girl Friend Experience (GFE). Also lesbianism does not turn me on so lesbian shows don’t really increase my arousal. I look at it in a detached fashion.

Just a note on my taste so you have a fuller idea when I make comments on girls.

I am more kissing and missionary and reverse missionary (girl flat on stomach and me behind) and dine at the y (pussy) (DATY) kind of guy. A nice face is my biggest turn on. Breast that fit the girl are nice to. Big breast aren’t my thing. Girls who are paunchy/fat are a turn off and in that case a nice face is not enough.

Don’t know how to judge whether a pussy is nice looking or not. Looking at just a vagina. That’s also not to my liking. Looking at photos of girls vagina’s (as in the photos section). I am not sure what they are supposed to do to me. Get me aroused? Just by looking at a vagina?

BJ’s as well . I need to thrust. I did my first face/mouthfuck on this trip to Thailand. Probably my only fetish. Generally I don’t request BJ and it is not volunteered. Most of them are so insipid that to me they are just to while away time rather to make me cum. It is difficult for me to cum from a BJ or if the girl is on top. I need to be on top and in control. So in the end the girl does not do much and I try my best to make her cum too. So you can see my predilections and requirements would seem much less than what some of the mongers here require. So any of my comments on service/girls etc, need to have the above in context. Probably the only thing I prefer is for me to feel my thrust action completely and to feel my willy is completely in, I prefer if the girl does not thrust back at me which is sometimes difficult if they are near climax (also helps if she does not move around when I DATY which sometimes is difficult depending on the girl, guys who DATY often will know what I am talking about.)

The dining at the DATY is just to get the girl excited which is a huge turn on for me. So is kissing, just basic kissing on the lips , not Deep French Kissing (DFK). I don’t like someone else’s tongue in my mouth and therefore won’t do it to others.

So simple requirements and not too demanding. At the end there has to be chemistry as well otherwise it won’t work.

At night I when to the Nana EntertainmentPlaza (NEP). Took the BTS to the Nana stop. Got out. This time I think I followed those who I thought would be mongers. The NEP is on the left and can’t be seen on the road. It is on Soi 4.

The NEP is a U shaped building with bars on the sides. You have to walk in the central square and there are go-go’s on all floors, same katoey/ladyboys only.

Go’s Go’s are where girls dance on stage semi naked and customers sit around the tables ogling them.

I went in and ended up in Rainbow 4. It was my first and only stop that night. I knew what to do after reading the forum. Rainbow 4 is on the 2nd of first floor at the right hand side of the NEP.

Some basics for newbies as learned from the forum and then practiced with success.

Bar fine in a go gois generally THB500, maybe THB600 these days. Long Time (LT) is generally 30000thb in Bangkok, note that you can negotiate with the service provider but this is the general prevailing price (the longer you stay and the less horny you are the better bargainer you will be, always be comfortable with what you are paying, aim to make your budget last if you have one). I have never taken Short Time (ST) which is 2 hours with multiple shots so will not comment. I like a morning fuck and LT is riskier but also more cost-effective for me. You can also try to wait and try to get them towards closing time where you assume you have the upper hand in negotiation.

Take your time, there will be a couple of shifts of the girls dancing. If they have numbers attached to their panties, note the ones you find attractive. Make eye contact and smile and see if there is a response. Don’t bother as a general rule with a girl who doesn’t even smile back. Do look at her and make sure she is aware of it and your interest. If you think there is a response. Call the mamasan or the waitresses and ask them to bring the girl no:xx to your table, you can also signal the girl directly to come to your table. They will do so once her shift of dancing on the stage is over. They might be other girls wandering around trying to get customers before their dancing shift starts. If you are not interested just shake your head accordingly.

Do offer a lady drink to her when she comes to sit. This is the opening act. She is obliged to sit with you till she finishes her drink (or until her shift for going on stage begins again, if you don’t barfine her, she is a free agent and someone else might then call her after her shift and barfine her, buy her a drink etc) . Talk to her and see if it is viable. If you are interested negotiate pricing and the do’s and don’ts. As mentioned above, I don’t really have any requirements other than kissing, so I don’t bother with this part. I never had to chase a girl away as well as someone who responses to me from the stage tends to be viable. I do ask what time is LT until. Generally until 5-6am or a little later. If she is not interested she will leave on her own volition. Please also look at her face when she sits beside you! Those dim lights have bested me (and others of this forum it seems) before. I have taken girls back to the hotel where the harsher lights reveals a not so nice complexion. Also be aware of covered midriffs! They tend to hide paunches or caesarean scars. Do look! Getting back to the hotel and finding a caesarean scar or paunch can be deflationary. Otherwise you can make your interest in others quite plainly by simply ignoring her and looking at others. Please also look at her face! Those dim lights have bested me before. I have taken girls back to the hotel where the harsher lights reveals a not so smooth face etc. Also be aware of of covered midriffs! They tend to hide paunches or caesarean scars. Do look as for a nice face and the lack of a paunch makes my dick get erect much easier.

Once negotations are done, pay the barfine to the mamasan/papasan (who sometimes negotiates on behalf of girls whose English is not good). Wait while she changes into normal clothing. The mama/papasan might ask where your hotel is and let the girl know if she is not familiar.

She will come back from her changing area with normal clothing and led you away.

Generally back in the hotel you are in control but the accepted norm is she showers (take this opportunity to lock your valuables/wallet in the safe), then you shower before the boom-boom. You want a GFE? Then don’t be a dirty tourist. Plus if you like DATY like me, then the girl being clean is also essential. I am sensitive to smell as well and sometimes ask them to use mouthwash which I have. Bad breath is a turn-off.

The negotiated fee is to be paid in the morning after she leaves.

PS – there is a lot of hand clasping in Thailand (hands together and bowing). Get used to it. I do it back sometimes when I appreciate something.

Some additional signs

If she holds your hand as you leave the go go, that’s a good sign. Generally all the girls do this. If they don’t consider it a danger signal. Offer to buy her food from the roadside stalls to eat back at the hotel. This is SOP (standard Operating Procedure) and sets up for the GFE that everyone is looking for. Reading the forum recently apparently this is not SOP. Also go to the 7-11 or Family Mart, corner shop and get drinks and ask her what she wants. The good girls are concerned about the cost and are grateful for your kindest. They also will sort out the taxi for you and make sure you don’t get cheated. So follow them as they will take you to a place where the taxis are metered.

Bad sign, girl gets the food without you offering in the first place and waits for you to pay. Had this from a girl on the 2nd day in BKK and among other things ditched her and took a taxi away but that is the 2nd day story.

The bar/gogo girl situation

As learned from this forum, reading the guide book and my questioning of various WG’s.

The typical go go girl gets 1-2 days off per month. Any more days then that and she has to pay her barfine amount for that day to the gogo (hmm why is it not a gogofine?). She also has to meet the quota requirements for Lady drinks (LD) per month, otherwise she is out. Quite a lot of them are on yaba (as told to me by my mamasan friend but more on that later) as the 5 hours of dancing take their toll. If they sleep all day, this is a sign they smoke yaba. Yaba is the local amphetamine and generally smoked like crack. The golden triangle after all is just a border away. Go go girls generally last about 2-3 months before heading home. Lot’s of them have kids but do not admit it(the amount of fatherless kids around?!). Their one kid is usually being looked after by their parents. Their partners have gone butterfly (thai slang for someone who has the tendency to be unfaithful). One girl even condemned other thai girls as forever trying to steal attached men and destabilise relationships. I definitely think there are more girls than guys demographically in Thailand that leads to this situation. (From Wikipedia 15-64 years: 0.98 male(s)/female, take 0.98 to the 12m population of Greater Bangkok and you get 240,000 girls without a male counterpart)

Most girls are from Isaan and the Korat peninsula which is the northern part of Thailand (Thaksin country)and the poorest area. They are literally dirt poor. People from this area also have a mix of Lao ethicity in them (due to a Thai monarch do did some forced migration on the Lao people a few centuries ago) and do speak the Lao lingua franca or a mixture. Most stall food apparently are also Isaan in origin.

Be aware of this and act accordingly. This isn’t a situation of people dreaming of being a gogo girls and fucking farangs as a child but due to the economic situation and limited opportunity for advancement (I might touch on this later). Being attached to you is also an opportunity for advancement. Don’t be a dick but don’t think with your dick either. There is plenty scope to get what you want. You and they are both transients in the gogo beer bar (or bar beer as is locally called) scene.

Don’t forget you are in control of the situation as well.

Back to Rainbow 4

Anyway when in and things where swinging. Can’t remember what time I arrived. Mamasan showed me to a table. Ordered my G&T. Place was dark. I was eyeing a girl dancing in front. I prefer the back tables as you can to see all the girls. I was smiling, she was smiling, all good. She reminded me of a girl I had a crush on in secondary school. Well, she was smiling at the guy in front of me actually and as barfined within minutes of ending her dance. Never saw her again in Rainbow 4.

There is some advice here to quickly barfine someone you find attractive before someone else does and they disappear. On the first 2 days at least I suggest studying observing and studying the lay of the land (as well as getting laid but not so quickly i.e. by 8-9pm). Have an open and relaxed mind, smile a lot and you will have fun.

One of the girls walking around came up to me. We chit-chatted something that I can’t remember. She was suggestive, told she would do BJ without condom (2007 was beginning of my more serious mongering, so was finding out what I liked as well). Good sign, seemed willing, so off I went. Got a taxi back to the Lodge.. Can remember the action except this was the first time I facefucked anyone (her head against the bard and you straddling her chest and thrusting your penis is her mouth as if it is the vagina). Great but not to be repeated in thailand (but repeated in London with the experienced thai pro’s here). After the first or 2nd round asked her if she wanted anything and she did, so when to the corner 7-11 on soi 33 and got the Lay potato chips she wanted and some drinks for me.

She looked different in the morning, the lack of make-up sometimes makes a starling difference. Also she wears glasses. Uses contacts in the go go. All in all a good experience.

Next : 3rd day in BKK, rest of my stay in BKK, being a brownie in Thailand and conclusion, lessons learned. Also my pattaya FR (Field Report) hopefully
(and yes I did fall in love, think of moving to thailand etc and got over it).

Must Stop

09-07-10, 20:21

Planning activities for the day time is essential otherwise it can get boring.

Had the provided breakfast at the Lodge and read the local English dailies (as I try to do wherether I am except in Dubai, too rubbish for me there.). Some interesting political machinations at that time (Nov/Dec 2007). I must say the quality of the Nation and the Bangkok Post leaves a lot to be desired. Seem more like gossip and rumour mongers than thought and opinion leaders without the informative and analytical pieces I except from papers meant to be read by the elite in Bangkok. Not a mentally or intellectually stimulating read.

I think on this day I went to the Royal Palace and then Wat Po.

I took at taxi there as the rail/transit system does not extent there.

Dress sensibly otherwise you might have to rent a sarong (i.e. no shorts). It is an entry requirement.

Tourist pay entry fee and locals pay none or nominal amount.

Inside was ok, nothing much. The main attraction was the emerald Buddha. I was reading up on Buddhism at that point and found it ironic that people were killing each other over this Emerald Buddha. Not very Buddhist.

Buddhism in Thailand is a mixture of local influence/superstition, Hinduism (Brahma is still worshipped in Thailand but not in India) and Therevada Buddhism.

The bits of the palace opened to the public were not very interesting to me.

As an aside, this period of time was the run up to the king’s birthday and his posters were everywhere, put up by various business enterprises. Factory workers were also wearing the royal yellow (given to them by factory owners). The king’s face was so dominant I feel it was eerily cultish. I won’t mention it anymore as similar things have been heatedly discussed in the board except to mention how time changes!

Wat Po is a rambling Buddhist complex behind the Royal Palace. I walked there. On the day had a thai guy coming the other way in a blue police uniform, not exactly police but a uniform of some sort . He said hi and asked where I was from. Told him. Asked where I was going. I said Wat Po.Claimed he was ina the army. He started to tell me it was closed, he ahd come from there, it was a public holiday etc, why not go to a Big Buddha nearby. My mind was set on Wat Po and I prefer to trust myself then others. Also I had come from the Royal palace which was open. So just said no and keep walking. A common scam it seems it to get you to go to some other attraction on an expensive tuk-tuk ride.

And yes Wat Po was open. Wat Po is my kind of place, rambling, old, seemingly incoherent, unstructured. There is even a school at the back for kids. Spent some time there, a great antidote to the Royal palace. Less of a crowd and you can wander around in solitude.

I also indulged in the famous Wat Po massage. There is a massage school in Wat Po and it is considered the best in Thailand. According to my guide books there are different schools of massage in Thailand with ones in Ching Mai also acclaimed. This would explain the differences in routine I had from different massages I received.

This is in the middle and to the left of Wat Po. Pay an amount take a number and a massager will be assigned to you, either male of female. You go into a room with thin matresses on the floor. Other are getting massaged. The massager does a little prayer and you get massaged. The best massage I had in Thailand. The cost is nominal (for the tourist) as everyone including locals pay the same price. It is considered a service back to the community (well that is what my guide book says).

Coming back was trickier. No public transport (except busses). I walked back to the royal palace and had to take a taxi from there, one of those hanging around the entrance. Was quoted and exorbitant price and so was not keen on chit0chatting with the driver. I think for those who do go to the royal palace try to go to the left of the palace, down the road to the side and see if you can flag a taxi that is moving along the road rather than getting scalped from those at the entrance. But please be warned there seems no way back than by using these scalpers.

I did ask how much a car/taxi cost, 1 million baht apparently. On reaching the lodge he tried to get more from me then the agreed price. I said no of course and said we had an agreement. And that and other similar occasion is why I try my best not to use taxis whenever I can.

This night I went again to NEP. Tried some of the other go go’s. Rainbow 2 at the ground floor refused me entry said members only (being a brownie I had read the forum enough to expect this)

Ended up in Rainbow 4 again.

More basics

Forgot to mention that there is an element of safety in getting girls from bars and gogos rather than freelancers. You have the option of complaining to the mamasan the next day and tracking items that are missing. I think the lodge does note down the ID of WG’s coming in but I can’t remember. ID’s are all in Thai so not very useful but I believe there are some post that try to aid punters in working out the WG’s age from their ID. Best to stay in a hotel that notes the ID.

Soon had a girl rubbing against me and trying to talk to me while I was trying to look at the girls on the stage. Was in particular looking for my secondary school crush look alike. Anyway the one rubbing against me (she was trying to rub her ass on my crotch) was friendly enough and I was horny, so the deal was struck, LT price negotiated, bar fine paid. As we were walking out of the NEP and before I made the offer, she had chosen some food and then waited for me to pay. This annoyed me but more importantly keep me on my guard, then as we where walking pass some clothes stalls she made indications that this and that was nice, in a way that if I was an indulgent sugar daddy I would have bought those things for her. Again not a good sign. Next she asked whether I wanted yaba. I did not mind. So she leads me across (all the while we are holding hands) to the petrol station at the corner of the turning into NEP. No explanation given and my annoyance has reached a pretty high level. I ask her what is going on and she says we need to get a tuk tuk to go and buy the yaba.

Fuck that. I just let go of her hand, crossed the road quickly, got a taxi back to the lodge, hoping to get a girl from the sports lounge there. Along the way I spied Soi Cowboy and asked the taxi to stop and ended up there. I ended up in a gogo where I saw an attractive dancer. Caller her over LD’s bought, seemed friendly, negotiated and took her back to the lodge. She is still around but does not do LT anymore but still dances. She has a kid though she denied it to me. The mamasan told me later. I became friends with the mamasan there and she still texts me once in while, so the particular gogo shall remain nameless. She(the gogo girl) was ok but we did not hit it off. Most pussies are nice and tight for me in Thailand (as compared to Thai WG’s in London who have too much custom, non tight pussies and can earn up to £30k in 2 months and pay of the people who arranged her visa etc, yes they see up to 5++ people a day) but I think hers wasn’t for me.

I forgot to mention, tight pussies is a huge attraction for me in Thailand. Most WG’s in the western world seeming have loose pussies. No friction with the thrust.

Showdown

09-08-10, 01:24

i have partaked in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) a lot lately after boycotting star of light. i can tell you that every girl there will do everything(most will not do anal however). they charge 1100 baht for short time. they actually are eager for short time as obviously they make more money. when partaking in st i take them to the third floor. most of you didn't know there is a 3rd floor but it is. there are two large rooms-one has a bed and the other has one vinyl couch. i always use the 3rd floor now for bj and st.

outside of the public sex and the bareback i hear is avaliable(you must be crazy to do that) i find [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) a better experience.

Amjeck

09-08-10, 03:30

I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.

I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.

I agree that they are brainwashed and spoiled.

Recently I've had 2 attractive girls out of rainbow 4 for less than 1500ST each and 1 young attractive girl from shark for 1500ST. I can say from experience that almost all of the girls in these clubs can be negotiated down as long as you're willing to negotiate (make sure the mamma is not around). A lot of guys can't be bothered to negotiate and just pay whatever the girl asks. Remember these girls are trying to get as much money as they can out of every guy.

Evianist

09-08-10, 04:08

I'll do when you bring some arguments, my friend.

I have been explained several times by a number of Rainbow(s), Shark and Baccara girls that their management has a strict policy concerning their rates and that the senior ladies actually brainwash the newcomers.

Sometimes they were girls declining my offers (and this story may be part of the negotiation) but in some cases they were girls actually accepting less than the going rate (yes, it happens but I repeat that IMO it is *very difficult* unless you go for a dog).

I've barfined 4 rainbow girls this year and never paid more than 1500 ST. One girl of the 4 didn't want to accept but I said "sorry, I never pay more - if you no want, no problem" and she thought about it for a minute and accepted. Have never paid higher than 1500 at shark, tilac or baccara either. None of them could be called dogs.

Wolfie Mike

09-08-10, 09:25

I visited Eden Club today for the first time. Following general advice on the forum I arrived around 1pm to get a larger selection of girls.

Had a quiet beer before arriving at Eden at a bar at the end of Soi 7/1. It was a nice change to have a beer and not be interrupted by a girl offering a massage :).

Although I have seen reports that Eden is hard to find I had no problem. Soi 7/1 is right under the Nana BTS station and there is a clear streetname sign. Eden is about half away up on the right hand side and is clearly signed.

Got inside and met Marc, who ran through the menu as I was a first timer. Had a quiet beer and watched the girls generally getting ready before getting them lined up. I would say there were about 20 girls, ranging from a 5 to an 8 in my opinion. I chose no. 3 from the left of the line and she chose no. 12 from the right. 3, called Lee, was cute and slim. 12, called Rose, was a larger girl. I probably would not have chosen 12 as she was not as slim as I like, but they did get on well! I also had them dress as schoolgirls - why not!! The room we used was clean, although it would not win a designers award, with mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

The girls told me business was slow.

It was a good experience, although sometimes I can find 2 girls is 1 too many. Cost was 4020 including drinks, plus tips for the girls.

WM

Dreams

09-08-10, 10:35

They will go to your hotel. Sometimes they might say they want to go to the short term hotel, but if you say "no, go my hotel" they'll be ok with it.
Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience..
It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.

Dreams

09-08-10, 10:50

Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience..
It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.
Sorry, this was an answer to another post on Eden. You would have guessed...

Oldian

09-08-10, 11:09

I agree that they are brainwashed and spoiled.

Recently I've had 2 attractive girls out of rainbow 4 for less than 1500ST each and 1 young attractive girl from shark for 1500ST. I can say from experience that almost all of the girls in these clubs can be negotiated down as long as you're willing to negotiate (make sure the mamma is not around). A lot of guys can't be bothered to negotiate and just pay whatever the girl asks. Remember these girls are trying to get as much money as they can out of every guy.To heck with the whole spoiled bit. Get their numbers and have them come over in the afternoon or else get them as they come out after closing. 1000ST is enough, depending on business and how they like you can be done, and if performance is good, can be done again and again.

Viking17

09-08-10, 11:57

Tried after an overnight flight, caught up with some sleep in the morning. In the afternoon, went to Annie's massage and picked up one of the sideline girls. Massage was good but I felt the girl's "ability to please" fell short of expectations. Overall, not a bad experience. Wanted to check out an escort agency and made a call. Now I knew that these girls charge the sky but wanted to check out if they had any better girls than the ones in the bars. Was charged 4, 000 for 2 hours. Service was good but certainly not mind blowing. Looks were not the same as seen in the website. But no regrets because I just wanted to try this route. Went back to Annies later at night and this time took a fish bowl chick. Service was great though the girl was not the best looker. Again proves the point that higher price is not a guarantee for great service.

Ryo Saeba

09-08-10, 15:13

Just to say that I also did not like the artificial side of the Eden experience.

It's one of those place that you have to go to once, but, in my opinion, do not need to repeat.Although I quote his post, the following does not necessarily refer to Dreams' take on Eden, it's just meant as a general comment about the experience.

Since I'm lazy I'll start by copying here what I wrote about my recent Devil's Den experience (Eden and DD offer exactly the same services in the same settings at the same prices).

Now, I am not a threesome or DD expert, but very often I read about guys complaining that the service they received was mechanical.

18 months ago, half-way through my first Eden (in Bangkok) experience I thought the same, and during the second part of that session I took a more proactive role, asking for things and directing them a bit. Night and day.

These girls are used to very strange requests and fetishes of all kinds, so I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that, if left with no clear requests with a "regular" guy, they kind of just repeat a pre-arranged script: I-suck-you-she-suck-me-you-fuck-my-ass-she-puts-finger-in-your-ass. Willing to please, yes, but not involved.

This time around I prepared my own script, a kind of illustrated storyboard of how I wanted to spend my 1. 5 hours, which I submitted to the girls as soon as we got to the room.

Just seeing the storyboard pics on my mobile was enough to grab their attention, and from then on they proved to be very involved, not only in realizing my own fantasy, but in having fun themselves.Eden is famous and therefore many of us stop there sooner or later, but I gather that those who, like me, don't have any particular fetish or extremely kinky desire, are the minority.

Eden and DD mainly cater to a certain segment of punters, so if the "normal/average" monger wants to enjoy the experience, he needs to go in there with the right mindset and most importantly comunicate what he wishes for to the providers.

And a second visit might be needed to get the hang of it.

But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.

By the way, my next time in Thailand I'll try the 2 girl out-call experience, to check how it compares to the on-the-premises one.

My 2 cents,

Ryo

Crazy4Thai

09-09-10, 04:43

even when your plan "goes wrong" you will have a great time here.

what happened to me? was it because i'm finally off a short leash and way too eager to get at it? or was i just living up to my isg handle?
2 days ago i did some quick refresher research by rtff and made a short list using names listed in reports.

but then i mixed up the details of who did what when i asked for cream at [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900). in the upstairs cubicle i requested her special rim job warm up. she looked at me like wtf and refused. i apologised for the confusion and put my shoes back on. she changed her mind then and said ok - but you give me big tip. i offered 500 bt tip and she was very good. on my scale she's a solid 8 in looks, performance, attitude. but then i'm an older punter and my standards may not be as high as some on this board.

in other news, i changed from my long standing best value inn on 7/1. in the day at 800 or 900 baht it was acceptable for me. with a very nice staff and convenient takeout all over the soi. at 1100 bt, no internet, pathetic water pressure and some serious hotel competition, it's time to shop on wotif.com. i booked citadines on soi 8 for 1,465. it is exceptional at that price. however, no breakfast and a 10 minute walk from suk but they do have free tuk tuk shuttle service.

last night i took a 30 yo out of the alec pool bar on a sub soi off of soi 4. she looks about 22 and had the tits of an 18 yo. if she lost about 2 kilos she'd be a little spinner. no children and looked better naked than i expected. i don't know how you'd get one of those big porno cocks in that little hole.

and my final comment will be my 2 satang on talent - yes, it's true, there are some downright pathetic offerings. i had time to watch and take it in when still hanging out on 7/1. too many ladyboys and fat old women to be sure. but, the gems are right there too. not hiding, easy to find. i'm wondering if many of the better ones are at massage places. i saw one on soi 8 that might be a 10 in looks. looked about 20 yeas old. after i try another one on my list today, i'll take one for the team and check her out.

Ghatotkach

09-09-10, 04:45

Although I quote his post, the following does not necessarily refer to Dreams' take on Eden, it's just meant as a general comment about the experience.

Since I'm lazy I'll start by copying here what I wrote about my recent Devil's Den experience (Eden and DD offer exactly the same services in the same settings at the same prices).

Eden is famous and therefore many of us stop there sooner or later, but I gather that those who, like me, don't have any particular fetish or extremely kinky desire, are the minority.

Eden and DD mainly cater to a certain segment of punters, so if the "normal/average" monger wants to enjoy the experience, he needs to go in there with the right mindset and most importantly comunicate what he wishes for to the providers.

And a second visit might be needed to get the hang of it.

But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.

By the way, my next time in Thailand I'll try the 2 girl out-call experience, to check how it compares to the on-the-premises one.

My 2 cents,

RyoWell, Eden actually grows on you. The first time is a bit scary and yes, it does take a couple of visits to settle down. Once you have settled for your "main" girl, the Eden experience really becomes fantastic. I use the same girl and every time I go, I m surprised at how she makes sure all my requirements are met. She remembers everything about what I like and she actually instructs the second girl, in a way, leading the session. Don't give up: you'll get to enjoy the experience on your follow-up visits.

Zamalek99

09-09-10, 10:37

What are the current prices for st and lt in nana car parking lot? Or in clubs like, climax, bossy?

Thanks for your answers.

Betong

09-09-10, 14:53

But if you try it only once and anyway don't have any interest in even a tiny bit of dirty sex, yes you'll probably left a little disappointed.I've been going to Eden and Hell Club/DD since they opened, though I get the urge only a few times per year. Only recently did I realize why I don't go more often.

It isn't the way the girls like to program the activities. That's easy enough to override. It isn't the fake moans etc. Better they fake it a bit than act totally disinterested, which is probably how they feel a lot of the time.

No, my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking but don't have much of a clue about eroticism. It's all full-on, all the time. They can shove any body part (or toy) into any other body part, and then slam on and on forever. But when it comes to gradually building up the excitement, most don't have a clue. Think of the way a good soapy girl can spend an hour very slowly and subtly working you into an absolute haze of lust, even before the bonking.

So yes, we go to Eden/DD for the total wham-bang hardcore, and sometimes we all want that. But for me, most of the time, there's a lot more to sex than that.

El Frances

09-09-10, 15:05

Jijjy

09-09-10, 16:21

Right on the mark with your comments and keen observation!

- Jerry

No, my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking but don't have much of a clue about eroticism. It's all full-on, all the time. They can shove any body part (or toy) into any other body part, and then slam on and on forever. But when it comes to gradually building up the excitement, most don't have a clue. Think of the way a good soapy girl can spend an hour very slowly and subtly working you into an absolute haze of lust, even before the bonking.

Dreams

09-09-10, 16:54

Well, Eden actually grows on you. The first time is a bit scary and yes, it does take a couple of visits to settle down. Once you have settled for your "main" girl, the Eden experience really becomes fantastic. I use the same girl and every time I go, I m surprised at how she makes sure all my requirements are met. She remembers everything about what I like and she actually instructs the second girl, in a way, leading the session. Don't give up: you'll get to enjoy the experience on your follow-up visits.
My experience was the opposite, the second visit was worst than the first and so was the third (and last...). But I am not a regular, just visiting hardly once a year, so not special status
To each his own, but I think it is good to have introduced a bit of criticism on Eden, so newbies will have more balanced views, and probably more realistic expectations.

HenryV

09-09-10, 23:47

Not a big deal, but last time I was told tipping was not necessary.

Any pressure to tip?

I visited Eden Club today for the first time. Following general advice on the forum I arrived around 1pm to get a larger selection of girls.

Had a quiet beer before arriving at Eden at a bar at the end of Soi 7/1. It was a nice change to have a beer and not be interrupted by a girl offering a massage :).

Although I have seen reports that Eden is hard to find I had no problem. Soi 7/1 is right under the Nana BTS station and there is a clear streetname sign. Eden is about half away up on the right hand side and is clearly signed.

Got inside and met Marc, who ran through the menu as I was a first timer. Had a quiet beer and watched the girls generally getting ready before getting them lined up. I would say there were about 20 girls, ranging from a 5 to an 8 in my opinion. I chose no. 3 from the left of the line and she chose no. 12 from the right. 3, called Lee, was cute and slim. 12, called Rose, was a larger girl. I probably would not have chosen 12 as she was not as slim as I like, but they did get on well! I also had them dress as schoolgirls - why not!! The room we used was clean, although it would not win a designers award, with mirrors on the walls and ceiling.

The girls told me business was slow.

It was a good experience, although sometimes I can find 2 girls is 1 too many. Cost was 4020 including drinks, plus tips for the girls.

WM

HenryV

09-09-10, 23:49

why are you boycotting star of light?

i have partaked in [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) a lot lately after boycotting star of light. i can tell you that every girl there will do everything(most will not do anal however). they charge 1100 baht for short time. they actually are eager for short time as obviously they make more money. when partaking in st i take them to the third floor. most of you didn't know there is a 3rd floor but it is. there are two large rooms-one has a bed and the other has one vinyl couch. i always use the 3rd floor now for bj and st.

outside of the public sex and the bareback i hear is avaliable(you must be crazy to do that) i find [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) a better experience.

Showdown

09-10-10, 04:33

Why are you boycotting Star of Light?

Please read my past report. I am disturbed at how they have treated non white patrons(they have outright discriminated against friends of mine) among other things. I don't feel there is any place for that especially when I know some guys that have sat in the bar and not one girl would talk to them even though they were educated respectful businessmen.

Wolfie Mike

09-10-10, 10:11

Not a big deal, but last time I was told tipping was not necessary.

Any pressure to tip?

Henryv,

No - no pressure whatsoever

Mealticket

09-10-10, 10:37

my problem is that these girls know all about fucking and sucking...That's a problem?

Amjeck

09-10-10, 11:17

I am disturbed at how they have treated non white patrons(they have outright discriminated against friends of mine) among other things. I don't feel there is any place for that especially when I know some guys that have sat in the bar and not one girl would talk to them even though they were educated respectful businessmen.
What races?

Hotman 666

09-10-10, 12:02

What races?

Amjeck,
In Thailand it is the “perceived race” that seems to be the most important thing.
I remember a few years ago sitting in one of the “upstairs bars" in Patpong 1.
As was usual I was enjoying myself with a couple of scantly clad playmates but noticed a young guy sitting a couple of tables away from me. He was on his own and none of the girls seemed to want to go near him!
While my playmates were doing their dancing shift he asked me if I could speak English and when I confirmed that I could we started to talk.
This guy was (much) younger than me, good looking, well dressed and seemed to have a pleasant personality.
It was his 1st time (perhaps even his first night) in BKK and was surprised that none of the girls would come near him!!
He asked me what he was doing wrong!
For him, it seemed absolutely crazy that I (an old fart) could have the pleasant company of a couple of young playmates but he could not even to get girls to come near him?
He was from USA but had, he told me, some American (Red) Indian ancestry so looked rather “Asian” in appearance.
I gently explained to him that, from the way he looked, the girls assumed he was from the Indian sub continent (and we all know what many Thai girls think of guys from that region!)
I asked him if he would like some company and when he said yes then spoke to one of my playmates, who by then had returned from dancing.
I explained to her that the guy was from USA, was Jai Dee, and would like some company. She then called over another dancer and spoke to her.
Within a few minutes the guy had an attentive playmate and a BIG smile on his face!
He thanked me, and bought me a beer. When I left a little later the guy was as happy and seemed to be negotiating rates for a S/T encounter!
So, I believe that the girls would not sit with him was because of his “perceived race” but, when someone who they knew, told them that he was From USA and NOT the Asian sub continent they were perfectly happy to be with him!!!
Go figure!

Hotman

Sammon

09-10-10, 13:45

Amjeck,
In Thailand it is the “perceived race” that seems to be the most important thing.
I remember a few years ago sitting in one of the “upstairs bars" in Patpong 1.
As was usual I was enjoying myself with a couple of scantly clad playmates but noticed a young guy sitting a couple of tables away from me. He was on his own and none of the girls seemed to want to go near him!
While my playmates were doing their dancing shift he asked me if I could speak English and when I confirmed that I could we started to talk.
This guy was (much) younger than me, good looking, well dressed and seemed to have a pleasant personality.
It was his 1st time (perhaps even his first night) in BKK and was surprised that none of the girls would come near him!!
He asked me what he was doing wrong!
For him, it seemed absolutely crazy that I (an old fart) could have the pleasant company of a couple of young playmates but he could not even to get girls to come near him?
He was from USA but had, he told me, some American (Red) Indian ancestry so looked rather “Asian” in appearance.
I gently explained to him that, from the way he looked, the girls assumed he was from the Indian sub continent (and we all know what many Thai girls think of guys from that region!)
I asked him if he would like some company and when he said yes then spoke to one of my playmates, who by then had returned from dancing.
I explained to her that the guy was from USA, was Jai Dee, and would like some company. She then called over another dancer and spoke to her.
Within a few minutes the guy had an attentive playmate and a BIG smile on his face!
He thanked me, and bought me a beer. When I left a little later the guy was as happy and seemed to be negotiating rates for a S/T encounter!
So, I believe that the girls would not sit with him was because of his “perceived race” but, when someone who they knew, told them that he was From USA and NOT the Asian sub continent they were perfectly happy to be with him!!!
Go figure!

Hotman
Yes, In Thailand percieved race is a problem sometimes. They refuse entry to the club saying private party. If anybody encounters this problem it is always better to get chummy with the mamasan and buy her a drink. She will definitely take care of you. At the same time be agressive rather than timid and sit in a corner expecting all girls to jump on you.
It is true Indians and middle east look has a disadvantage. But this country being the biggest party place if you play your cards right will get what you want.
I think the situation you discribed is ecause this guy is new to the field. I am sure soon he will learn and be an expert.

Spider916

09-10-10, 20:52

This just sounds like Aon, number 26 in Shark. Sometimes she's very nice and very naughty,taking it up in the ass and swallowing every last drop of cum but at other times acts very strange, especially when high or drunk while her Australian sponsor, for whom she has a sort of a crush calls her, then she gets all moody and upset. Apparently the guy sends her some cash every month but not enough to cover all her and her family needs, so she still hooks but hating it.

Anyway, if you catch her in the right mood she is perfect and at other times a nightmare.

My second time in Bangkok.

I stayed at the Jasmine Executive Suites on soi 23, plus visited Mango Massage, Annie's and Akane Chit Lom (see separate posts for all).

Went to Soi Cowboy two nights in a row, Monday and Tuesday.

On Monday most go-gos were pretty empty, at least after midnight, I would say the only place filled to the rafters was Tilac.

Quite a few good looking girls inside, I spoke to one who wished to go to the Full Moon Party in Pha Ngan so that she could "see farang make boom boom on the beach".

Also witnessed a drunk punter getting his ass kicked by a ladyboy.

On Tuesday there were more people around, but after a couple of quick stops I went to Shark, and never left. I remembered Shark from my previous visit a year and a half ago as the establishment with the better looking dancers, and while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, I confirmed my preference. Tall, leggy, busty babes with see-through yellow tops. A fucking dream.

So anyway, once in I take things slowly, waiting for two sets of girls to go through their time on the stage before I finally make my decision. I go for the slimmest, leggiest of them all, and when she looks my way I offer her my tried and tested George Clooney smile, which she finds very resistible. Mai pen rai, I don't get discouraged easily, and I wave her Hello, and signal her to come seat next to me. She likely turns out to be a lot friendlier than her looks and demeanor may lead to believe, and is delighted to find out that my hotel is around the corner.

After some fondling to make sure she's as toned as she appeared to be, we strike a LT deal.

Back in my room I have a hard time not to spend the whole night looking at her perfectly shaped thighs, but finally succumb to her other charms (she's basically deep-throating me by now).

We have a good session, after which, exhausted, I turn off the lights.

Now, here comes the interesting part.

When the morning after I wake up, I'm startled to find her well awake, her face no more than a few centimeters from mine, looking intently at me. I give her the good morning, to which she nods mechanically without uttering word, her gaze fixed on me like she's faced with a difficult mathematical equation. I'm still sleepy so I close my eyes, but no sooner I've done that that I feel her soft hand gently caressing my face. Still groggy from sleep and unable to formulate a sentence to express her my appreciation for the kind gesture, I dumbly repeat my good morning.

It's at that point that she hits me with one of those statement/question which are difficult to immediately evaluate and reply to:

HER – you like me, yes?

I'm surprised because never before a girl I paid attempted to cage me: I always thought that my youth, my open butterflying ways and my brutal honesty prevented them from trying one those plays you often read here on the ISG.

ME – er. You are very beautiful

HER – you have girlfriend?

ME – in my country I have girlfriend, yes. Which isn't true but I think I see where this is leading.

HER – but, if you have girlfriend and sleep with me, you no good man

All right, she's obviously better than me at this game and, one way or another, she'd end up cornering me, so:

ME – maybe I am bad person, but I don't want Thai girlfriend

She's not just staring at me now, she's probing my fucking soul. Having someone do that to you from so close is unsettling.

HER – you make love like boyfriend

ME – uh. Ah. I always make love like that.

HER – you no tell lie to me, no? Her frown is downright menacing now, and if I wasn't double her size I'd probably run for cover.

ME – I am sorry, we cannot be boyfriend and girlfriend

Her face undergoes a dramatic, sudden change: the scary look melts into the puppy-eyed look, in fact her whole body seems to shrink and fold.

HER – why you no like me? , she whimpers in an almost trembling voice.

She must have obviously attended some local institute where they teach these kind of tricks, because she looks sooo vulnerable and for a second there I feel like a heartless monster. I guess that that's how brothers of weak disposition get suckered into marriage with these little devils.

ME – I leave today, I never come to Bangkok again. We never see again

In a last effort she turns away from me, pretending to be hurt, but I found out during the night that she's incredibly ticklish, so I go for her weak spots and before long she surrenders to defeat, laughing like crazy, begging me to stop.

She knows she owes me another round, but before I can get down to business she jumps out of the bed and says – we breakfast now, later we boom boom again, yes?

After all she's still better than me. Probably getting a meal out of me has been the plan all along, the rest just a ploy to get to it. – yes, we breakfast now. I concede.

Anyone who seriously falls for these girls has issues, but at the end of the day his very behavior and naivety tell us that at heart he is a good guy.

However, anyone who looks down on or disparages these love machines based on the fact that "they're *****s", "they only do it for the money", "they couldn't find a better job", "they lie", "they're not 19 as they say", has some way more serious issues, and should be pitied.

Not directly mongering related, but I found a couple of restaurant options worth mentioning:

BANKARA RAMEN

If you are a fan of jap noodle soups, this one is the real deal.

Soi 39, after soi Phrom Mit, on the right, inside the Manor complex.

11 GALLERY

Thai food in an old style environment.

Off soi 11, in a tiny L-shaped alley opposite the Ambassador.

Bangkok in August in almost unbearably hot and humid, you really have to hope the sun doesn't come out because it could be your death.

Rows of regular Thai beauties at Siam Paragon.

Ryo

Seven Spot

09-10-10, 23:18

Thanks for helping a fellow traveller.

You are a gentleman. And I mean that in the best sense! ;-)

Amjeck,

It was his 1st time (perhaps even his first night) in BKK and was surprised that none of the girls would come near him!!
...
I asked him if he would like some company and when he said yes then spoke to one of my playmates, who by then had returned from dancing.
I explained to her that the guy was from USA, was Jai Dee, and would like some company. She then called over another dancer and spoke to her.
Within a few minutes the guy had an attentive playmate and a BIG smile on his face!

Hotman

HenryV

09-11-10, 00:20

Thank you for posting a name and a number. I believe some guys actually get jealous and that is the reason they avoid, or convieniently forget to do this. Can have lots of fun if you know the gals name ahead of time.

This just sounds like Aon, number 26 in Shark. Sometimes she's very nice and very naughty,taking it up in the ass and swallowing every last drop of cum but at other times acts very strange, especially when high or drunk while her Australian sponsor, for whom she has a sort of a crush calls her, then she gets all moody and upset. Apparently the guy sends her some cash every month but not enough to cover all her and her family needs, so she still hooks but hating it.

Anyway, if you catch her in the right mood she is perfect and at other times a nightmare.

Lakeside

09-11-10, 04:39

Last night Bangkok police did close Bangkok Beat and Climax already at 1.15 am. Someone must have not paid the bribes to the right people!

Lucky me I had a nice girl already in tow.

Spider916

09-11-10, 20:03

Same thing happened today at most nightspots.

This is an old ritual following the annual Mafia (upps, I mean Royal Thai Police) reshuffle.

Everything should be back to normal, in a few days when a mutually acceptable agreement on the right amount of squeeze has been reached. Until then, it's a good idea to close the deal with your honey before 1am, if you wanna get laid.

I hear that this year's Thonglor posting was especially expensive, so expect an increase in drink prices in Cowboy soon.

Last night Bangkok police did close Bangkok Beat and Climax already at 1.15 am. Someone must have not paid the bribes to the right people!

Lucky me I had a nice girl already in tow.

Pytheas Mars

09-12-10, 03:05

I'm surprised and disagree with some of what you wrote. First, Midnite's music is really poor. They've been playing the same music for too long and its rarely anything new. Secondly, the lighting is very dark and frankly depressing. Also, navigating the winding staircase to get to the bathroom is a pain and not something you want to do after a few drinks! However to each their own. I prefer the lights, music and more affordable prices at Tilac (San Miguel: 135, lady drinks 100, water: 30).

As for the ladies, the most attractive ones are almost always the coyotes that you cannot barfine. I was there last night and they have a few new ones who were extremely cute but at 200/drink they'll drain your wallet but leave you unsatisfied.

I'd have to check out the girl you recommended. I will agree the shows can be good and last night I saw one of the best I've seen with two girls really going at it. More typical of what you'd see in a Pattaya bar and was a lot of fun. Once they were done the place really emptied out.I am quite surprised when you say that the lighting is very dark and depressing. I noticed no major differrence with other bars like Tilac , Baccara etc ... It almost sounds like we did not visit the same bar. Although when you mention the staircase to the first floor, I am sure we visited the same. No doubt ! I totally agree with you. In the end you're right. To each their own.

In fact Midnite might be a very average bar in Soi Cowboy. The point is that I was struck by the grace and kindness of this little lady who also proved to be very honnest and interesting to talk to. This defenetly influenced my perception. I have read many reports on the behaviour of these gogo girls who indeed try to drain you wallet and leave you insatified. You 're right. I went through some similar experiences many times. Well I guess we know the game anyway and should not complain if we fall in the trap.

However Apple behaved totally different from the other girls I have met before. In fact it was the first time I had such a nice time with a gogo girl. Tell me about your impression if you've checked midnite again !

Skipper II

09-12-10, 05:17

Arrived Bangkok Thursday and wanted to try out Mango's after reading various reports in this forum, have tried numerous other massage places in the past and have been fairly satisfied with the service.

Arrived Mango's around 1600 hrs and asked to see Apple, the girl in the service counter must have mistaken that request for A Plus as the girl presented was not Apple, I was hot, sweaty and horny so I did not even realize this until entering the room.

It turned out to be Ice instead, I did not want to change as Ice seemed sweet enough, and actually the session was excellent, Ice was trying her best to please me in EVERY possible way.

I still wanted to try Apple and returned the next day again and made sure the speak very slowly and clear when making the request, and success Apple come out and took me to the room.

Apple is a beautiful girl with a sexy figur and nice breasts, again an excellent session where Apple was trying to make sure that I had the best possible experience, only thing I can point out is her loud moaning, else a very pleasant time and I will return.

Saturday, did not feel like having the energy left for a Mango session, so choose to have a decent massage at Lisa's on Silom road, just next to Sofitel Hotel, girl name Fun 23 years old, great looking, took me to the room for a 2 hour oil massage, this is not a place like Mango where the girl showers with you. Fun gave me a nice massage and kepts accidently and very descretly hitting my gentles which caused a reaction and I had difficulties laying on my stomach, she kept in going for most of the 2 hour session which made me extremely horny, and that was offcause also her intention, smart girl, as close to the end she made her hands slide slowly up and down my cock and asked if I wanted massage there, and my answer was obviously yes, and then she said 700 baht while holding my cock and I'm extremely horny, I was ready to agree to anything, just wanted her to continue, so accepted the deed knowning I over paid.

Bangkok is a great city.

Crazy4Thai

09-13-10, 04:58

For those who are crazy for TITS this girl may be for you.
Reportedly 29 years old and "no baby". Reportedly real, not bolt ons - felt real to me.

I was in search of a previous GF experience last night at the Queens Park Plaza Entertainment Center on soi 22. I think I got that name right - maybe not.

Not finding Mai, I spent some time in a bar having a beer and a meal. I did not get the name of the bar but it's easy to find as it it the last outdoor bar inside the complex. Just walk until you go past the big Thai restaurant and there it is - sharing a dividing wall with the restaurant.
Sorry - I know a name would be better. BUT - I DO have the name of the endowed lady - Da or maybe it's Daa.
Her face was OK - not amazing, not bad, but for those of you into those big firm naturals - check her out. A drink got me some touchy feely and a look at some nice matching big nipples and they weren't even hard yet.
I did not take her out as her vibe with me was marginal - I gave her every chance to reel me in and her "sisters" were trying to steal me from her. It almost seemed like she just arrived from the paddy - but more likely she was hoping for her regular bf to come get her.

Anyway - her tits were amazing and I'm more of an ass man!

C4T

Desi Guy

09-13-10, 06:34

My experience was the opposite, the second visit was worst than the first and so was the third (and last.). But I am not a regular, just visiting hardly once a year, so not special status.

To each his own, but I think it is good to have introduced a bit of criticism on Eden, so newbies will have more balanced views, and probably more realistic expectations.I agree with this completely. My second time at Eden was worse than the first time. For me Eden is just too mechanical and as another poster said, there is no build up just right to the sex. And the women are barely average in looks. I think it's absolutely a place to check out if you haven't before because it's so different, but I don't intend to go back.

Kumbu

09-14-10, 01:21

the noodly prelude
i used to live near a japanese noodle place in la called nagoya. they served the most delicious nagoya-style ramen i have ever had. it came in a red sesame-broth, with loads of different vegetables (mushrooms, carrots, spinach, celery, etc), and your choice of various meats. i would go there after work, or whenever i was particularly low on sugar, and order a veggie bowl.

i remember sitting there, waiting for my order to arrive, fingers fidgeting, smelling the odor of that delectable broth waft out of the kitchen, anxiously exchanging glances with the other equally anxious customers. we were all there for our sugar fix (noodles being as close to pure sugar as a food stuff can get), and we just couldn’t get it into our mouths fast enough.

when the bowl arrived, i would always look at it and think “oh man, that is not going to be enough…maybe i should order another bowl right now, so the second bowl arrives when i am finishing this first one…” i never would order the second bowl though.

the chop sticks would be ready to go, and as soon as the server’s hands were out of the way, i was pulling the first delightful strands of ramen out of the rich, red soup and slurping it up with complete disregard for my white work shirt. hot, silky ramen would hit my tongue, the tasty, spicy soup filled my mouth, bits of mushroom were swallowed whole without the patience for chewing even. i devoured the stuff like a man possessed, and for the first few, greedy mouthfuls i would be thinking “man, this is not going to be enough…i really should order another bowl…maybe two extra bowls this time?” but to order another bowl would mean i would need to stop stuffing the beautiful carbs into my face for a moment, long enough to compose myself, get the attention of the waiter, and place the order. fuck it – it was always easier to just gorge myself on the ramen in front of me.

as the ramen diminished, and as i approached the middle of the bowl, my frenetic pace would likewise diminish. i began to regain my senses again, my self-respect slowly returning. i started to realize that i was being stared at by the other guests. well, at least the ones who had finished their bowls and had the blood-sugar levels to look at me in disgust. the other guests were just fidgeting with their fingers waiting for their bowl, or embarrassing themselves the same way i was. but i started to slow down, the panic of having to get the noodles into me slowly being replaced by a more well-paced appreciation for the flavors.

and as you might predict, as i neared the end of the bowl, my blood sugar level reaching a peak, i began to feel nauseous. the sudden onslaught of carbs had flooded my system with sugar, and my head would begin to feel very light and airy at this point. i never flagged in my desire to consume every last drop of that delicious broth, to nab every little bit of mushroom and celery, but by the time i was scraping the bottom of the bowl, i knew i was done. a second bowl would just never be consumed, absolutely not with the same vigor and delight, and it would probably not even get finished. i was so full, so nauseous, so satiated that i could not even think of another bowl of that stuff. in fact, i needed to get out of that restaurant because the smell pouring from the kitchen was just so damned sickening, it made me want to vomit. and those damned customers slurping and lip-smacking, noodle-broth flying all over their faces and shirts – it made me sick watching them guzzle the food like shameless heathens. i would walk out of that noodle store completely satisfied and overly-satiated, convinced that i would never want to eat noodles again. until the next afternoon at 4pm when the urge returns.

the point?
why am i telling you all this? well, the same cyclical pattern of total, unfettered greed > measured appreciation > complete satiation, usually exhibits itself in my mongering trips to thailand. i usually arrive like a starved working man, unable to restrain myself, eager to fuck anything in sight. i sex myself silly for an indeterminate period of time, oblivious to the shame to my character and the filth on my clothing, before the desperate panic subsides. i then have a few days of clarity in which i really appreciate what i am experiencing – a window of enlightened experience, if you will. but this is soon replaced by satiation, after which i begin to get sick of the experience. i start to wonder what else there is in the monger’s experience. do i really want to expend the energy to go out and find yet another girl? a girl who will play yet the same show of money vs. pleasure? who will do yet the same things with me? is it really worth my effort?

my past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. but this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. and add to that the fact that i will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. but what is a man to do?

so my goal over the 9 day trip is to try to understand, introspect on, examine, and perhaps (dare i say it?) *control* the above-described pattern. i wonder if the panic i feel at the beginning of a trip is generalized to all pleasurable sensory input? i wonder if thinking about it and trying to understand it will in any way inhibit it? or exaggerate it? i wonder if this might increase/decrease the overall satisfaction i get from the full 9 days? i wonder if i can control the decrease in pleasure i get as the trip wears on? i wonder if i can get on that plane at the end of the trip and be in a state of mind that is different from usual – that is, eager to return, knowing full well what i am leaving behind. let’s see how this unfolds.

fair warning
my reports are not for all. as you can see already, i am verbose, to the point of being painful for some. if this is you, please don’t read my reports.

i include loads of details, but i don’t succinctly package them for you like other posters do. instead, i contextualize everything. so if i say i paid 10,000b for one night with a girl, then i will also tell you exactly why i did such an extreme thing. you wont be left thinking i am irrational (or maybe you will, who knows), but you will get my full rationale for my actions. some people don’t like this – they want the how much, how long, how many times, and info on where they can get the same, summarized into four lines. if this is you, please don’t read my reports.

i am often opinionated in that i will write my reports expressing my own, often unusual, perspective on mongering, without regard to the general mood of this forum. that is, crude exploitation of the ladies is not my thing. if i am completely honest, i exploit them in a more sophisticated way. i prefer to think of it less as exploitation and more of sharing an experience, but that may be delusion on my part. if you prefer the ‘i fucked her hard and paid her shit’ kind of reports, please don’t read my reports.

and finally, i enjoy writing. i think of it as mental masturbation, and like the regular masturbation, i like to do it long and slow. so if you don’t want to share in this activity, please, just don’t read my reports. i am sure i am on a couple of people’s buddy lists, but i am also sure i am on a whole lot of other people’s ignore lists. this fair warning is an attempt to head off mindless and unnecessary flames for the above things. a futile attempt, i know, but still.

Mouse1

09-14-10, 03:50

I'm starting to salivate already at the prospect of some tasty stories. Just don't make them too sugary... :)

Member #4698

09-14-10, 03:52

My past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. But this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. And add to that the fact that I will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. But what is a man to do?
Kumbu, I hear what you are saying and I have a suggestion for you: pace yourself. My trips are all 30 to 45 day affairs. When I get away from the grind; I really want to unwind. I plan ahead but experience has shown me I always plan for more than I eventually do. Spending 45 days in South Asia (travelling to HKG, BKK, Pat, and Macau) for example, I always think about hitting this massage parlor or that sauna or bar in the late afternoon and then checking out this Go Go or that Hostess Bar after dinner. So adding up all my pre-trip planning, I calculate shagging a couple of girls a day, multiple times. But something always happens after about the first week of the trip that slows me down. Call it the law of diminishing marginal returns; I start to lose the desire. I can still get it up, the problem is not physical. It’s just too much of a good thing, my appetite decreases, and I start to feel satiated.

The remedy is self evident. I just let it go, relax and allow for my batteries to recharge. My desire always returns full force in one or two days and the party begins again, fresh. So while I may plan, pre-trip on banging 2 girls a day x 45 days which equals 90 girls, it never happens. My cumulative totals may vary, but nowadays I can accurately place my over/under at 33 girls total or getting laid on average 75% of days in the trip. This is my pace and like long distance running, I can keep it up and enjoy it for a very long time. When I exceed my pace for over a week, I begin to lose the desire. When I do less, I start to get randy if you know what I mean.

Sometimes I like to take a breather and head for a great beach for 4 or 5 days, no babes. In effect, I take a vacation from my trip. Last time in LOS, for example, I spent 10 days in BKK and 2 weeks in Pat, but in between, I relaxed and recharged in Ko Chang for 4 days. When I got back to Pat, I was on fire. On my next trip, I am planning to take 5 days off on Sabang Beach, Palawan in between 2.5 weeks in PI (Macau, AC and MNL), before heading to BKK and Pat for 3 weeks. This may not work for you, but it is something to consider IMHO.

FreebieFan

09-14-10, 04:19

Kumbu, I hear what you are saying and I have a suggestion for you: pace yourself. My trips are all 30 to 45 day affairs. When I get away from the grind; I really want to unwind. I plan ahead but experience has shown me I always plan for more than I eventually do. Spending 45 days in South Asia (travelling to HKG, BKK, Pat, and Macau) for example, I always think about hitting this massage parlor or that sauna or bar in the late afternoon and then checking out this Go Go or that Hostess Bar after dinner. So adding up all my pre-trip planning, I calculate shagging a couple of girls a day, multiple times. But something always happens after about the first week of the trip that slows me down. Call it the law of diminishing marginal returns; I start to lose the desire. I can still get it up, the problem is not physical. It’s just too much of a good thing, my appetite decreases, and I start to feel satiated.

The remedy is self evident. I just let it go, relax and allow for my batteries to recharge. My desire always returns full force in one or two days and the party begins again, fresh. So while I may plan, pre-trip on banging 2 girls a day x 45 days which equals 90 girls, it never happens. My cumulative totals may vary, but nowadays I can accurately place my over/under at 33 girls total or getting laid on average 75% of days in the trip. This is my pace and like long distance running, I can keep it up and enjoy it for a very long time. When I exceed my pace for over a week, I begin to lose the desire. When I do less, I start to get randy if you know what I mean.

Sometimes I like to take a breather and head for a great beach for 4 or 5 days, no babes. In effect, I take a vacation from my trip. Last time in LOS, for example, I spent 10 days in BKK and 2 weeks in Pat, but in between, I relaxed and recharged in Ko Chang for 4 days. When I got back to Pat, I was on fire. On my next trip, I am planning to take 5 days off on Sabang Beach, Palawan in between 2.5 weeks in PI (Macau, AC and MNL), before heading to BKK and Pat for 3 weeks. This may not work for you, but it is something to consider IMHO.I think you have just offered incredibly sensible advice to all of us.

Sadly most of us know intuitively that your plan makes sense but sometimes when its a compromise between lack of time and available shagging moments, the shagging wins out. A recent Manila trip had me doing 3 in one day and a total of 8 in 3 days. Heaven but exhausting.

Your plan makes way more sense.

HenryV

09-15-10, 00:58

one man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.

the noodly prelude
i used to live near a japanese noodle place in la called nagoya. they served the most delicious nagoya-style ramen i have ever had. it came in a red sesame-broth, with loads of different vegetables (mushrooms, carrots, spinach, celery, etc), and your choice of various meats. i would go there after work, or whenever i was particularly low on sugar, and order a veggie bowl.

i remember sitting there, waiting for my order to arrive, fingers fidgeting, smelling the odor of that delectable broth waft out of the kitchen, anxiously exchanging glances with the other equally anxious customers. we were all there for our sugar fix (noodles being as close to pure sugar as a food stuff can get), and we just couldn’t get it into our mouths fast enough.

when the bowl arrived, i would always look at it and think “oh man, that is not going to be enough…maybe i should order another bowl right now, so the second bowl arrives when i am finishing this first one…” i never would order the second bowl though.

the chop sticks would be ready to go, and as soon as the server’s hands were out of the way, i was pulling the first delightful strands of ramen out of the rich, red soup and slurping it up with complete disregard for my white work shirt. hot, silky ramen would hit my tongue, the tasty, spicy soup filled my mouth, bits of mushroom were swallowed whole without the patience for chewing even. i devoured the stuff like a man possessed, and for the first few, greedy mouthfuls i would be thinking “man, this is not going to be enough…i really should order another bowl…maybe two extra bowls this time?” but to order another bowl would mean i would need to stop stuffing the beautiful carbs into my face for a moment, long enough to compose myself, get the attention of the waiter, and place the order. fuck it – it was always easier to just gorge myself on the ramen in front of me.

as the ramen diminished, and as i approached the middle of the bowl, my frenetic pace would likewise diminish. i began to regain my senses again, my self-respect slowly returning. i started to realize that i was being stared at by the other guests. well, at least the ones who had finished their bowls and had the blood-sugar levels to look at me in disgust. the other guests were just fidgeting with their fingers waiting for their bowl, or embarrassing themselves the same way i was. but i started to slow down, the panic of having to get the noodles into me slowly being replaced by a more well-paced appreciation for the flavors.

and as you might predict, as i neared the end of the bowl, my blood sugar level reaching a peak, i began to feel nauseous. the sudden onslaught of carbs had flooded my system with sugar, and my head would begin to feel very light and airy at this point. i never flagged in my desire to consume every last drop of that delicious broth, to nab every little bit of mushroom and celery, but by the time i was scraping the bottom of the bowl, i knew i was done. a second bowl would just never be consumed, absolutely not with the same vigor and delight, and it would probably not even get finished. i was so full, so nauseous, so satiated that i could not even think of another bowl of that stuff. in fact, i needed to get out of that restaurant because the smell pouring from the kitchen was just so damned sickening, it made me want to vomit. and those damned customers slurping and lip-smacking, noodle-broth flying all over their faces and shirts – it made me sick watching them guzzle the food like shameless heathens. i would walk out of that noodle store completely satisfied and overly-satiated, convinced that i would never want to eat noodles again. until the next afternoon at 4pm when the urge returns.

the point?
why am i telling you all this? well, the same cyclical pattern of total, unfettered greed > measured appreciation > complete satiation, usually exhibits itself in my mongering trips to thailand. i usually arrive like a starved working man, unable to restrain myself, eager to fuck anything in sight. i sex myself silly for an indeterminate period of time, oblivious to the shame to my character and the filth on my clothing, before the desperate panic subsides. i then have a few days of clarity in which i really appreciate what i am experiencing – a window of enlightened experience, if you will. but this is soon replaced by satiation, after which i begin to get sick of the experience. i start to wonder what else there is in the monger’s experience. do i really want to expend the energy to go out and find yet another girl? a girl who will play yet the same show of money vs. pleasure? who will do yet the same things with me? is it really worth my effort?

my past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. but this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. and add to that the fact that i will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. but what is a man to do?

so my goal over the 9 day trip is to try to understand, introspect on, examine, and perhaps (dare i say it?) *control* the above-described pattern. i wonder if the panic i feel at the beginning of a trip is generalized to all pleasurable sensory input? i wonder if thinking about it and trying to understand it will in any way inhibit it? or exaggerate it? i wonder if this might increase/decrease the overall satisfaction i get from the full 9 days? i wonder if i can control the decrease in pleasure i get as the trip wears on? i wonder if i can get on that plane at the end of the trip and be in a state of mind that is different from usual – that is, eager to return, knowing full well what i am leaving behind. let’s see how this unfolds.

fair warning
my reports are not for all. as you can see already, i am verbose, to the point of being painful for some. if this is you, please don’t read my reports.

i include loads of details, but i don’t succinctly package them for you like other posters do. instead, i contextualize everything. so if i say i paid 10,000b for one night with a girl, then i will also tell you exactly why i did such an extreme thing. you wont be left thinking i am irrational (or maybe you will, who knows), but you will get my full rationale for my actions. some people don’t like this – they want the how much, how long, how many times, and info on where they can get the same, summarized into four lines. if this is you, please don’t read my reports.

i am often opinionated in that i will write my reports expressing my own, often unusual, perspective on mongering, without regard to the general mood of this forum. that is, crude exploitation of the ladies is not my thing. if i am completely honest, i exploit them in a more sophisticated way. i prefer to think of it less as exploitation and more of sharing an experience, but that may be delusion on my part. if you prefer the ‘i fucked her hard and paid her shit’ kind of reports, please don’t read my reports.

and finally, i enjoy writing. i think of it as mental masturbation, and like the regular masturbation, i like to do it long and slow. so if you don’t want to share in this activity, please, just don’t read my reports. i am sure i am on a couple of people’s buddy lists, but i am also sure i am on a whole lot of other people’s ignore lists. this fair warning is an attempt to head off mindless and unnecessary flames for the above things. a futile attempt, i know, but still.

Member #4351

09-15-10, 01:06

Henryv, this has come up before and the majority of forum members enjoy reading Kumbu's, IMHO excellent reports. So I suggest:

"If you don't like another Forum Member's reports, then simply add them to your "Ignore List" and you'll never see their reports again.

You can access your personal "Ignore List" under your User CP. Just login, select "User CP" from the top menu bar, then select "Buddy / Ignore Lists" from the left side column."

Professor 1

09-15-10, 01:33

Henryv, this has come up before and the majority of forum members enjoy reading Kumbu's, IMHO excellent reports.

I must agree. Now, where is the Kumbu report?? I want now, like Kae in Nana.

BKK Dreaming

09-15-10, 01:35

One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.

Please do NOT put me in that group,

I love a good story , a slice of the nightlife from a good writer is a treat that we do not often see here,

Kumbu tells a good story and I look forward to each chapter....

And you can always put him on ignore if it bores you :)

BK

Booey

09-15-10, 01:50

One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.

Henry, here's what you don't get and I'm not sure why. Kumbu's reports really do contain a lot of "hard facts." Take the time to read his reports and you will find a lot of useful information whether it's taking the bus to Pattaya, his critique
of discos, prices of hotels, or whatever.

The only thing I can think of is that you are not a native English speaker and you have trouble digesting Kumbu's reports.

Evianist

09-15-10, 02:12

Henry, here's what you don't get and I'm not sure why. Kumbu's reports really do contain a lot of "hard facts." Take the time to read his reports and you will find a lot of useful information whether it's taking the bus to Pattaya, his critique
of discos, prices of hotels, or whatever.

The only thing I can think of is that you are not a native English speaker and you have trouble digesting Kumbu's reports.

I'm a native English speaker and I generally skip reading Kumbu's reports because I consider them self-aggrandizement.

Fon Tok

09-15-10, 02:23

I'm a native English speaker and I generally skip reading Kumbu's reports because I consider them self-aggrandizement.A few lives back, when I was a full time skibum (for over 20 years), we used to say that some guys were "legends in their own minds."

Not that this was always derogatory, as "the legend" was usually entertaining, one way or another... ;)

Regarding Khun Kumbu, I say let him write all he wants. I find his approach refreshing in a world that is fast becoming a seas of short and vapid one line communications, and badly composed pussy shots.

Mouse1

09-15-10, 05:01

One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.So why did you repost his whole report so that we see it twice?

But 'self-aggrandizement'?! Have you actually read any of his reports?

Anyway, hard facts are a fairly subjective point on this forum... There is a post on a parallel thread that says, in summary, went into bar, saw stunning 19yo waitress with perfect figure, gave her 300Bht for ST, shagged every hole and now she wants to be my gf. May be all hard facts, but it ain't never gonna happen to me... I much prefer Kumbu's thoughtful posts that I can actually relate to.

Barko

09-15-10, 08:07

One man’s opinion, please don't drone on, it borders on self-aggrandizement.

Most of us are only interested in hard facts that will help us all have a good time.Self aggrandizing? Henryv? You hear that loud buzzer echoing overhead?

"Most" is a dangerously elastic word. In this case, the "one man's opinion" is yours and yours alone.

Personally: It takes about a minute to read each of Kumbu's supremely entertaining reports, (an excellent use of bandwidth IMHO.) If you don't like them, don't read them, simple as that. Just don't apply your "most" ethic to anyone else here.

FreebieFan

09-15-10, 09:08

A few lives back, when I was a full time skibum (for over 20 years), we used to say that some guys were "legends in their own minds."

Not that this was always derogatory, as "the legend" was usually entertaining, one way or another... ;)

Regarding Khun Kumbu, I say let him write all he wants. I find his approach refreshing in a world that is fast becoming a seas of short and vapid one line communications, and badly composed pussy shots.I'm with you on that. Generally his reports are easy to read, fun, funny and you clearly see his thought process(es) at time of deed-doing and time of writing.

I found his last series of reports from last trip were great and looked forward to his daily updates.

Then again I used to also regularly await the newspaper delivery boy sending the Beano and Dandy thru the mailbox back in the 60. S LOL.

Evianist

09-16-10, 04:23

In this case, the "one man's opinion" is yours and yours alone.

No, it's not.

Any man who needs to masturbate in Thailand, as Kumbu seems to be highly skilled at, is doing something wrong.

Mouse1

09-16-10, 06:16

No, it's not.

Any man who needs to masturbate in Thailand, as Kumbu seems to be highly skilled at, is doing something wrong.You just don't get it... :) He does do lots of things wrong; so do I; so perhaps do you... But Kumbu tells us about it in an amusing and informative way.

Still don't see how you can call that self-agrandizement.

Anyway, enough debating non-existent posts. We all know the solution is to ignore posts we find boring. Let's move on.

Evianist

09-16-10, 06:31

You just don't get it... :) He does do lots of things wrong; so do I; so perhaps do you... But Kumbu tells us about it in an amusing and informative way.

Perhaps you simply enjoy watching other men masturbate more than I do.

To each his own.

Rick Rock

09-16-10, 06:37

guys:

i've been reading the forum as much as i can over the last few weeks. i've secured a lot of info and i thank for you that.

after lots of traveling and living in latin america (see recent reports for san jose and managua if interested) i'm headed off to thailand. i have a question that has not been answered.

what is the limit to the level of depravity? i'm a huge pervert. i can get off on vanilla sex with no problem, but i really get going for the nasty stuff like:

- giving and receiving [CodeWord101] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101).

- drinking breast milk.

- pregnant women.

- licking ass.

- having sex with a women or getting a blow job from a woman immediately after another guy did, with the cream still inside / on her face and mouth.

- group action: mff, mfff, mfm, mfmf.

etc.

what is the availability? any recommendations on exact places to go? i will be traveling solo. will requests for girls in bars to find a guy to join us be viewed as insane and rejected outright?

thanks in advance.

Mouse1

09-16-10, 10:32

Perhaps you simply enjoy watching other men masturbate more than I do.Unnecessarily offensive... :( If you can't string words together to make a coherent argument then why bother posting?

Pointy Stick

09-16-10, 11:22

what is the availability? any recommendations on exact places to go? i will be traveling solo. will requests for girls in bars to find a guy to join us be viewed as insane and rejected outright?

thanks in advance.

depends on your budget

the licking ass/[CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103)/group action can probably be completed efficiently at eden.

as for the preggers it could be a bit hit and miss but as i recall another poster earlier this year had a similar fetish and apparently had a steady of them supply going but that was in pattaya. i'd say that would be the place. i've seen a few on beach rd but almost none who were definately working in bangkok in my mind.

maybe you could hire some gay thai rentboy (as they're probably easier to find for your purposes) to creampie the chick but i'm pretty sure you won't find many affianados here familar with that kind of scene.

you could even, as an act of charity, reach out to some of the more budget conscious mongers on the board who reside in los like opebo who enjoy a good creampie and offer to pay for their session in return for their sloppy seconds.

Uncle Volodya

09-16-10, 16:46

great post kumbu!

as sam elliot says in bl : "i like your style , dud."

you colorfully describe what i think is a real problem for most. i think the suggestion to pace your self is spot on. another thing you may think about is settling on one girl at the end of your trip. this will give you a chance to connect on a more emotional level and really enjoy the person. i found a real gem my last trip. sexy and sweet. no rocket scientist but i had fun hearing about her simple life in the provinces and just loved it when she showered me with thai kisses.

i am envious of your upcoming trip. i am trying to finagle a trip in january. if i do make it i will go hog wild my first week, and then spend the last week with this girl. perhaps take her on a romantic trip to an island somewhere. (like koh chang - which is just gorgeous.) plus it feels good to do something for someone who you like, as many of these girls really don't have the chance to travel.

the danger of this kind of course of action is that you may grow too attached and end up paying for the waterbuffalo and the grandma's operations while she is two-timing you with some god awful dude. but i guess i am a bit too jaded to ever really get into too much trouble.

in any case i know you will have a great adventure and look forward to your posts.

stay horny my friend...

uncle-v

the noodly prelude
i used to live near a japanese noodle place in la called nagoya. they served the most delicious nagoya-style ramen i have ever had. it came in a red sesame-broth, with loads of different vegetables (mushrooms, carrots, spinach, celery, etc), and your choice of various meats. i would go there after work, or whenever i was particularly low on sugar, and order a veggie bowl.

i remember sitting there, waiting for my order to arrive, fingers fidgeting, smelling the odor of that delectable broth waft out of the kitchen, anxiously exchanging glances with the other equally anxious customers. we were all there for our sugar fix (noodles being as close to pure sugar as a food stuff can get), and we just couldn’t get it into our mouths fast enough.

when the bowl arrived, i would always look at it and think “oh man, that is not going to be enough…maybe i should order another bowl right now, so the second bowl arrives when i am finishing this first one…” i never would order the second bowl though.

the chop sticks would be ready to go, and as soon as the server’s hands were out of the way, i was pulling the first delightful strands of ramen out of the rich, red soup and slurping it up with complete disregard for my white work shirt. hot, silky ramen would hit my tongue, the tasty, spicy soup filled my mouth, bits of mushroom were swallowed whole without the patience for chewing even. i devoured the stuff like a man possessed, and for the first few, greedy mouthfuls i would be thinking “man, this is not going to be enough…i really should order another bowl…maybe two extra bowls this time?” but to order another bowl would mean i would need to stop stuffing the beautiful carbs into my face for a moment, long enough to compose myself, get the attention of the waiter, and place the order. fuck it – it was always easier to just gorge myself on the ramen in front of me.

as the ramen diminished, and as i approached the middle of the bowl, my frenetic pace would likewise diminish. i began to regain my senses again, my self-respect slowly returning. i started to realize that i was being stared at by the other guests. well, at least the ones who had finished their bowls and had the blood-sugar levels to look at me in disgust. the other guests were just fidgeting with their fingers waiting for their bowl, or embarrassing themselves the same way i was. but i started to slow down, the panic of having to get the noodles into me slowly being replaced by a more well-paced appreciation for the flavors.

and as you might predict, as i neared the end of the bowl, my blood sugar level reaching a peak, i began to feel nauseous. the sudden onslaught of carbs had flooded my system with sugar, and my head would begin to feel very light and airy at this point. i never flagged in my desire to consume every last drop of that delicious broth, to nab every little bit of mushroom and celery, but by the time i was scraping the bottom of the bowl, i knew i was done. a second bowl would just never be consumed, absolutely not with the same vigor and delight, and it would probably not even get finished. i was so full, so nauseous, so satiated that i could not even think of another bowl of that stuff. in fact, i needed to get out of that restaurant because the smell pouring from the kitchen was just so damned sickening, it made me want to vomit. and those damned customers slurping and lip-smacking, noodle-broth flying all over their faces and shirts – it made me sick watching them guzzle the food like shameless heathens. i would walk out of that noodle store completely satisfied and overly-satiated, convinced that i would never want to eat noodles again. until the next afternoon at 4pm when the urge returns.

the point?
why am i telling you all this? well, the same cyclical pattern of total, unfettered greed > measured appreciation > complete satiation, usually exhibits itself in my mongering trips to thailand. i usually arrive like a starved working man, unable to restrain myself, eager to fuck anything in sight. i sex myself silly for an indeterminate period of time, oblivious to the shame to my character and the filth on my clothing, before the desperate panic subsides. i then have a few days of clarity in which i really appreciate what i am experiencing – a window of enlightened experience, if you will. but this is soon replaced by satiation, after which i begin to get sick of the experience. i start to wonder what else there is in the monger’s experience. do i really want to expend the energy to go out and find yet another girl? a girl who will play yet the same show of money vs. pleasure? who will do yet the same things with me? is it really worth my effort?

my past trips have typically been month-long affairs, and so you can see how daily sex (sometimes more than daily) can have that effect on a man. but this time, my trip will be much shorter – more like 9 days. and add to that the fact that i will be working all day every day, this is going to be one hell of a strenuous 9 days. but what is a man to do?

so my goal over the 9 day trip is to try to understand, introspect on, examine, and perhaps (dare i say it?) *control* the above-described pattern. i wonder if the panic i feel at the beginning of a trip is generalized to all pleasurable sensory input? i wonder if thinking about it and trying to understand it will in any way inhibit it? or exaggerate it? i wonder if this might increase/decrease the overall satisfaction i get from the full 9 days? i wonder if i can control the decrease in pleasure i get as the trip wears on? i wonder if i can get on that plane at the end of the trip and be in a state of mind that is different from usual – that is, eager to return, knowing full well what i am leaving behind. let’s see how this unfolds.

fair warning
my reports are not for all. as you can see already, i am verbose, to the point of being painful for some. if this is you, please don’t read my reports.

i include loads of details, but i don’t succinctly package them for you like other posters do. instead, i contextualize everything. so if i say i paid 10,000b for one night with a girl, then i will also tell you exactly why i did such an extreme thing. you wont be left thinking i am irrational (or maybe you will, who knows), but you will get my full rationale for my actions. some people don’t like this – they want the how much, how long, how many times, and info on where they can get the same, summarized into four lines. if this is you, please don’t read my reports.

i am often opinionated in that i will write my reports expressing my own, often unusual, perspective on mongering, without regard to the general mood of this forum. that is, crude exploitation of the ladies is not my thing. if i am completely honest, i exploit them in a more sophisticated way. i prefer to think of it less as exploitation and more of sharing an experience, but that may be delusion on my part. if you prefer the ‘i fucked her hard and paid her shit’ kind of reports, please don’t read my reports.

and finally, i enjoy writing. i think of it as mental masturbation, and like the regular masturbation, i like to do it long and slow. so if you don’t want to share in this activity, please, just don’t read my reports. i am sure i am on a couple of people’s buddy lists, but i am also sure i am on a whole lot of other people’s ignore lists. this fair warning is an attempt to head off mindless and unnecessary flames for the above things. a futile attempt, i know, but still.

Uncle Volodya

09-16-10, 19:19

Great Pick! Where can i find her!!!!!

A few lives back, when I was a full time skibum (for over 20 years), we used to say that some guys were "legends in their own minds."

Not that this was always derogatory, as "the legend" was usually entertaining, one way or another... ;)

Regarding Khun Kumbu, I say let him write all he wants. I find his approach refreshing in a world that is fast becoming a seas of short and vapid one line communications, and badly composed pussy shots.

Mc Don

09-16-10, 20:21

Is there anything else like the Eden club near soi cowboy or something more upscale?

Kumbu

09-17-10, 06:00

Yeah, the advise from Natty Bumpo, Uncle V and others is sensible. But I was actually thinking about what means I could use to try to lengthen that initial, intense greed. I mean, pacing yourself is a kind of method to minimize the initial surge, thereby delaying the inevitable drop-off. I wonder what means I could use to still get that initial, frenzied, seemingly-insatiable lust to last longer than it usually does. Besides drugs that is. Well, that's my aim now, so let's see if I come out of this trip any more enlightened/informed than I am now.

Kumbu

09-17-10, 06:05

Reminder: User CP > Buddy / Ignore Lists > Kumbu

I shall refrain from rehashing the old self-aggrandizing debate (as David33 said, we've been through this before - seemingly every time I post anything new, hence my Fair Warning). And as I said in that opening post, under Fair Warning, just don't read my posts. It ain't that hard.
-------------------------------------
“Good afternoon sir, flying to Narita today?”
“Umm, yes.”
“And your final destination is...(fingers clickety-clack on her keyboard)...Bangkok...”

The pretty, brunette, mid-30s ANA counter lady looks down uncomfortably, avoiding my eye gaze. Bangkok? A single man, flying to Bangkok, for 9 days...with that glint in his eye...what else could it be?

I felt like blurting out “It's for business! Yes, business...work, I'm going there for work - WORK! I'm not a pervert, I'm NOT...really.”

But of course...I am.

Well...

You readers of this forum obviously don't share in that assessment. We are doing what is very natural for men, and the labels that society places on us are just that: labels. But nonetheless, no matter how much I rationalize it to myself, and no matter how much solace I find in fora like this one, I still can't shake the judgmental looks and insinuating glances I get. Sometimes I think I imagine those insinuations even when they are not there, so strong is the power of society over me. But that hasn't stopped me from doing what must be done.

I flew through Narita, enjoyed the finger sandwiches in the ANA lounge, along with a score of espressos. Appropriately jacked up on caffeine, I worked my ass off for the duration of the layover and the entire 6 hour flight to BKK so that upon landing, I was guilt-free and ready to rumble.

The plane touched down at 10:33pm; Our gate was right next to immigration, so no endless hustling through those long, never-ending corridors in Suvarnabhumi. I whizzed through immigration, grabbed my luggage and scampered through customs, and found my way to the first floor taxi stand. I was sitting in my taxi by 11:05, and at my hotel at exactly 11:35pm. The meter read 238B, plus the 70 in tolls, plus the 50B airport surcharge – you do the math. One hour from touchdown to arrival at the hotel – I think this is only possible if you arrive late at night, as there is no traffic at that time.

I booked half my stay in the Grand Millennium, using that amazingly helpful Wotif post from Barko in the BKK Hotels thread (once again, many thanks Barko). The hotel looks good, at least so far, although picky Kumbu has found some things to complain about (all minor). I will post a full report in the hotels thread upon my departure. I say 'half my stay' because I want to try different hotels. So I plan to book the last part of my stay in some (yet-to-be-determined) hotel.

I was pretty tired, but since when is that a consideration? I needed me some noodles, metaphorically speaking of course, and so I showered and trotted off towards Soi Cowboy. Arrival time at SC: 1am.

Mouse1

09-17-10, 07:00

I'm staying with my gf for a few nights in BKK, and looking for suggestions of places to visit in the evening. She is cool about going into gogo bars, but actually they are of course a bit boring for a couple, as not really a place to chat (or eat). So I was thinking about more Thai-oriented clubs, where we can sit and have a drink and some food, watch some entertainment, which doesn't have to be too raunchy (but a few coyote dancers would really help). Doesn't have to be particularly high-end or hi-so, in fact probably more fun if it's not. And neither of us are particularly into dancing the night away, me because of my arthritic limbs and complete absence of musical co-ordination, and her because of her shame at being seen with an arthritic senior...

I went to the Tawandang German Brewery (I think) and that was OK, and still remember the Coliseum with fondness. Suggestions for anything similar (especially with some easy-on-the-eye attractions) would be much appreciated.

I have this sense that there is a huge world of night-spots out there of which I am completely ignorant. But perhaps not?

Fon Tok

09-17-10, 08:10

I'm staying with my gf for a few nights in BKK, and looking for suggestions of places to visit in the evening....I have this sense that there is a huge world of night-spots out there of which I am completely ignorant. But perhaps not?Maybe try the Isaan Tawandang Club. I had a good time there with a couple of Tulip girls a few months back. Good cabaret show, cheap food and drink prices, 100% Thai fun. Bring a big bottle of Johnny Red and make some new friends!

From a website that featured this club (http://www.afana.org/tawan.htm):

...484 Pattanakarn Road, Bangkok 10250. If you're near SkyTrain/BTS, a good way to get there is to take the Sukhumvit line south to Phrom Phong, then a taxi (approx. 55 baht, on the meter) to the club. At the bottom of this page, there is a map in Thai that you can print and give to your cab driver...."

FlyingVisitor

09-17-10, 09:24

[QUOTE=Rick Rock]Guys:

I have a question that has not been answered. . .
. . . . What is the availability? Any recommendations on exact places to go? I will be traveling solo. Will requests for girls in bars to find a guy to join us . . .

Maybe I can help you with some advice.
Have sent a Private Mail to your forum account.
Please open
FV

Mouse1

09-17-10, 10:13

Maybe try the Isaan Tawandang Club. I had a good time there with a couple of Tulip girls a few months back. Good cabaret show, cheap food and drink prices, 100% Thai fun. Bring a big bottle of Johnny Red and make some new friends!

From a website that featured this club (http://www.afana.org/tawan.htm):

...484 Pattanakarn Road, Bangkok 10250. If you're near SkyTrain/BTS, a good way to get there is to take the Sukhumvit line south to Phrom Phong, then a taxi (approx. 55 baht, on the meter) to the club. At the bottom of this page, there is a map in Thai that you can print and give to your cab driver...."Aaah, it was the Isaan Tawandang Club I went to, not the Tawandang German Brewery...! It certainly didn't seem German so I was a bit uncertain. Anyway, it was good, so I'll head over there tomorrow night.

Thanks for correcting my memory.

Would like to go tonight but gf is coming over at 7pm so we may just stay in with a good book and a mug of cocoa. :)

Kumbu

09-17-10, 14:33

how many times have you gone to opening day at a sporting game? dodgers, lakers, arsenal, whatever – the first day, especially the first home game, has a special significance. that's because the whole off season has been spent building up the anticipation for this day. and it is finally here.

so what happens if your team loses that first game? do you lose hope for the rest of the season? do you throw in the towel and start supporting the more successful team? if arsenal had lost that opening game to liverpool, you can be damned sure i would not have become a chelsea fan. or a united fan. so no, the answer is that you don't lose hope for the season, you just chalk it up to the events of the day and expect better for the rest of the season.

by now you can probably predict what is about to come. yes my friends, my first night in bkk was like the opening day loss of the dodgers to the pittsburgh. not pleasant, but you get over it and expect things to get better. like with sports, my bkk trip involved a long, expectant run-up, the build-up of expectations of a stunning, home-run-fest. but as has happened on 5 of the last 9 opening day games at dodger stadium, i was left disappointed, wondering what the rest of this season will hold.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
so here is a summary of what happened on thursday night:
- suzie wong's, accosted by plus-sized waitress, had a near-death experience, escaped with my life and minus one leg.
- climax, plenty of talent, ran into an old acquaintance, ran away like a scared child.
- nana liquid, plenty of talent, made nicy with two young beauties, ended up with the wrong one.
- back at the hotel, things end with a dud.
- the ever-optimistic kumbu expects more from tonight.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

soi cowboy, thursday, 1am

there was a thick sense of rain on the way, with flashes of lightening in the not-too-distant sky. the soi was quite full - i had to push my way through the crowds. i reveled in the familiar sense of eyes pressing against me, the sense that i was a target, or a mark, if you will. aaah, it's good to be back in bangkok. it is intoxicating – the attention you receive as a foreign man in a whoring paradise. the expectation that your wallet is fuller of money than your balls are of semen is a powerful motivator for girls here, and i enjoy every minute of it. i got a couple of cat-calls, which always brings up the mixture of pleasure and discomfort. but as always, i ignored them and walked through the soi, sizing up what my first pit-stop should be.

i'm not sure why, but i walked in to suzie wong's. there were five girls on stage, nude, several wearing fish-net stockings. there were about 10 customers in there, many with some girls hanging on to them. so i think the overall ratio of guys-to-girls must have been 1:1 (perhaps a few more girls than guys).

of the five on stage, three caught my eye (not a bad percentage). the first girl, upon further consideration, was not particularly special to me. i mean, she was pretty and everything, but nothing really jumped out at me.

the second girl, #55, was a strong-legged lass, which always pleases the leg-oriented kumbu. her legs were not 'thick' per se, but they were substantial, perhaps slightly over-weight. furthermore, she had plenty of well-shaped and well-distributed meat on her backside. her face was, well, pretty, but not any more so than the other girls in the joint. upon more careful scrutiny, i began to discern some issues. first, she was rather dour-faced tonight, suggesting perhaps some mood issues. or general disinterest, neither of which are good. second, the careful eye of kumbu found some well-hidden scarring on her belly, indicative of her having been with child. that's not a problem for me, but just something to note. the more i looked at her, the more i thought that she was actually a little over-weight. but in the hyped up, super-hormonal state that i was in, i would have had a delightful time with her (i am sure).

the third girl, #9, had by far the prettiest face amongst the group, and the prettiest physique. she had very small breasts, perhaps a cup (if that). but her ass and legs were spectacular. her ass was shapely, without being bulgy, and her legs were long and elegant. they were not too thick, but shapely, with a nice calf and totally well-proportioned thighs. plus this girl had a smile on her that would melt the hardest of hearts (and harden the softest of crotches). she had a super-star haircut, which is probably a bad sign (such haircuts sometimes mean high expectations on the girl's part). nonetheless, kumbu was warming to #9. i did notice some trivial negatives, like her finger nails were close-cropped, with smallish nails (dispreferred by kumbu), and worst of all, kumbu was getting very little love from her.

actually, both #9 and #55, who were dancing right next to each other, had their attention squarely fixed on the japanese gent in the front row. he was a twenty-something guy being courted by the ladyboy mama san. he had a row of tequila shots in front of him, and there was a general buzz around him. the two girls of my fancy were busy trying to attract his attention - “oh pick me!”

so i sat patiently, sipping my drink, watching the ladies and the other customers. there was an awkward looking white guy on the other side of the bar, wearing a baseball cap and looking a little like a stalker. and he, like me, was getting no attention. by that logic, by the transitive property of stalkerhood, i look like a stalker too :) there were some older gents (older than me, i'm guessing in their sixties), two sets of pairs, both engrossed in conversation with each other, each with a lady bouncing on a knee. and then there were the odd nondescript individuals milling about.

in front of me was a 200 pound waitress with monster bazooms harassing a guy, bouncing on his knee, grabbing his hand and forcing it into her voluminous chest meat. he seemed uncomfortable, but the routine was obvious – he gets (unwanted) groping of her breasts, and he is then obliged to cough up the cash. she was forcing his hands into her breasts, bending over and giving him a fake bj (??), rubbing her very large ass on his legs - it was not a pretty sight. the guy eventually got tired of this, gulped down the rest of his beer and paid up. big mama then starts the shrill screaming about him not tipping. he drops a 20 on her, and she screams about how this is robbery – (southern belle accent) “why, i do declare sir, you have stolen my chastity!” so the poor guy coughs up a 100b bill. you'd think that would be it, but the ladyboy mama san zipped across the way to him, and as soon as he dropped the 100b, she stuck out her hand and said “tip for me?” and the poor fool gives her two 20s.

now, this kind of behavior sickens me – not the gent, but the staff at the bar. why was he being asked for a tip from mamasan? and why was big mama screaming about a only getting a 20? well, because they know it works. and the poor guy had no idea how to deal with it and just followed along, probably rationalizing it to himself, saying “well, it's only $5”. this is a pet peeve of mine – i consider myself somewhat generous, but this is just extracting money with no reason.

so once the guy left, a sadly familiar event ensued. big mama turned and saw me, assessed my potential for a moment, as i began to recognize the danger. but i was too slow-witted to do anything about it. blame it on the jet-lag, or the distraction at #9's gently swaying hips. big mama lowered her head, like a bull elephant about to charge, and jumped (literally). i stuck my hand out to stop her, in vain – the momentum of the woman was such that no force in all of physics could stop her. she landed on my legs (nearly crushing them) all giggling and jiggling. i was shaking my head and saying “no, no, no”, but she cared not.

she got on her knees and started fellatio simulation, which was just a nightmare to watch. oh the humanity! please stop! i was thrashing my head in repulsion, pulling at her massive shoulders, but that head continued to bob up and down. the girls on stage were looking and pointing, holding their hands to their mouths as if to say “oh that poor soul!” big mama finally relented, and still giggling, got up, turned around and sat on my lap. i felt myself disappear beneath her bulk, my frail frame no match for her girth. i lost sight of the outside world as her back-fat engulfed me. i struggled to get my face out from beneath her, desperate not to have my air supply cut off, but i was stuck. my arms were flailing, grasping for help, hoping someone would recognize the panic within me. thankfully, someone saw my trouble, and i felt a hand take my hand – oh thank god – i have been saved!

but it was big mama who took my hand, and then she took my other hand, and she smashed them into her breasts – her giggling now giving way to full-on, raucous laughter. struggle as i might, i was just powerless to stop what was happening - so strong was the woman, and so heavy was her weight, and so deprived of oxygen was i, that i was powerless to fight. so i stopped the struggle and went limp, waiting for it to end. this is a tactic i have used on several occasions to good effect, except those previous occasions have always been where my neck was caught in a leg-lock while at the end of daty while the lady orgasms – a far, far more pleasurable method of asphyxiation.

one way or another, this was going to end – either she would get off me, and i would rush out in a rage, or the ambulance would arrive and my family would find out i died in a seedy bangkok bar under the weight of a 200 pound gogo waitress. after a few moments of complete limpness, she realized something was wrong, and turned to look at me. what she saw was a now-blue-faced, cock-eyed, crumpled-haired semi-dazed kumbu.

i gasped the air, oh the sweet air, and thanked heavens for life. i gasped for a good 30 seconds as she yammered on about this and that, sitting now on my left leg, turned so she could see my face. her crushing weight on my left leg was fine because at this point it was totally numb. my eyes slowly un-cocked, and blood started to enter my brain, and with it my anger.

i'm not sure why, but i did not explode in anger at her. instead, i pulled the check from the bin, paid the rather-expensive 150b charge with a 100b bill and three 20s. she saw this and screamed into my face for a tip. the tequila was ripe on her breath, and it reminded me a little of the scene from jurassic park when the t-rex blasts the tour group with its earth-shattering roar. i told her to get the check first, to which she was a little peeved. but she heaved herself off my leg and scampered rather light-footedly off to fetch my change.

and i dashed. well, actually, with my one good leg pulling all my weight, my left leg barely moving, i limped off at as rapid a clip as i could manage. she saw me from the cash till and screamed at the injustice of it, but rather than stay there and have a fight (i could argue with her about how she forced herself onto me, punished me, i nearly died, and so she should pay me, but that would be rather pointless). i thought it better to escape.

so no #9 for me tonight, and given the events of the night, it is likely that i will not be returning to suzie wong's.

oh, and one last thing: on the way out, the ladyboy mama san grabbed my elbow and asked me for a tip.

two things i must say. i admit, *some* of the above is slightly embellished for comedic effect. but not much. so, i wasn't really blue in the face, i don't think. and my eyes may not have been cock-eyed, but they were definitely blurred and unfocused. second, this description casts an unfortunately negative light on suzie wong's. this is probably not warranted, although i must say that i have been in there perhaps a dozen times over the last two years and never once have i bar fined anyone. but i still go back...i'm not sure why. nonetheless, it highlights the dangers of the wait staff. while i generally handle myself well, sometimes things can be taken out of your hands. and i am sure there are plenty of other ways that money is extracted from us customers.

so it was now 1:40am, kind of late for soi cowboy. i walked into doll house, and saw three girls on stage and not a single customer. i'd be damned if i was going to be the only guy in the bar at that late hour, so i did an about-turn and walked out to the sound of the girls/waitresses calling after me. i decided that it was too late for the bars in soi cowboy, and decided to walk down sukhumvit to soi 11, in search of climax.