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Well I lost a few pages report so this is the executive summary :S.
Did have a shave in "Friends hair cut and massage" not the "Friends barber" for 200 bht, then oil massage for 450bht. They don't shave down. Owner of the place is super hot tall Thai lady in her 40s, but total legit place.
Nana barber did the shave down. 500 bht + 100 bht tip. I read the report down and I know I was screwed.
Garden beer for beef burger, veal sausage and beer. 460 bht.
Most ladies 3-5, I spotted 2 7ish girls.
Foot massage@Sweet Massage next to Lexus show room.
200bht and 100bht for the lady, she was very pleasant quite lady.
Spotted a solid 8. 5 girl, if she got pair of Cs she would be 9 and with main-padi and nice dress she would be my next wife.
Changing hotels and enjoying a siesta.
Hit Nana Entertainment again around 10pm.
Spanky bar.
Good vibe, nice selection of petite beauties and meaty ones (which I like)
Shower on the side is a nice addition.
Couple of girls were naked plus the shower girl. Rest were topless.
Smoking allowed. Vodka orange for 145bht.
Angel witch:
More selection of the same collection of petite girls only. Dressed in boots and bikinis, let their boobs wonder outside.
3 shows I attended, Indian one and another one with 2 girls and drinks trolley. They played Arabic pop song which I know as I'm an Arab, I found it funny.
Smoking allowed. Vodka orange for 150bht.
Rainbow4:
Too big, sitting on the couches won't be close to see the girls.
No smoking. Vodka orange for 145bht.
Same boots of angle witch!
Nice variety of girls, topless on the left dance floor, and in bikinis on the right one.
#15 stunning beauty with great ass. #29 Tall beauty but her looks got attitude. #197 cutest angle.
Group of Japanese guys took 15 & 197 after few minutes.
Las Vegas:
Best setup, Good viewing position, but empty. So waitress are in good spirit, smiling, singing and moving with the music.
Good selection of girls. #18 packed nice boobs.
Vodka orange for 145bht (can't remember)
On the way out, I decided why not to check one of the ladyboys places, I like the view of them but would never take one. LB not my thing.
Entered temptations, one old guy inside and looked totally wasted. Some dancers just stood still on the bar. 2 on the opposite couch kept blinking at me. I had to fake a call and runaway.
Moved to soi cowboy around 1:00 1:30am.
Baccara:
Great selection of beauties of different tastes. Best music system and songs.
Arrived with girls in green bikinis dancing, then another team of black and golden bikinis replaced them.
Great view from the glass roof on girls dancing above, not wearing panties and were topless with considerable boobs. My neck was going stiff.
Vodka orange for 160bht.
Suzy Wong:
Girls inside were topless, but very slow so I left. It seems I came too late.
Decided to go home.
Walked back to Athenee plaza.
Spotted some nice free lancers around hotel Faumchit.
Couple of Africans opposite soi 9.
Then the usual crowed and mix of ladyboys, mature ladies and cuties around nana.
Damn, I'm still mad about loosing this detailed report, but believe me. This is better as the other was many pages long with no sex happening.
Tomorrow I start work so will be back to action after all the colleagues leave.
But now thinking to go to Pattaya as I do prefer it over Bangkok.
Will see.
Cheers.
I concur. 4 hours in that shithole, and this guy would have gladly paid more.What is it that has made so many guys try EZMassage? Do guys mostly get sucked in when intending to enter Mango?
I gather EZ is seriously no competition?
I went to visit my favourite girls that I have often taken together from Sheba in Soi Cowboy. Was disappointed, as Noi, Naam, and Yao were all not there. Many of the remaining girls looked too young. No one really took my fancy. This is a bit poor for a Saturday night, but previous experiences at Sheba have been fun.
Went back to Suzi Wong instead looking for some pseudo-lesbians. Bow and Dteuan were not there but the place was rather crowded, more crowded than I have expereinced before. I was just in time for the lesbian show. I pondered what has made this place even more popular just recently. Two things have changed that I could detect and both don't reflect very well on the types of customers.
1. Some of the weird Pat Pong style shows have arrived here. Not too excessively ugly, thankly, but now have the "flowers on a string come out of the pussy" show, ping pong balls show, beer bottle show, and maybe something else. Thankfully no shoot the balloons, blow the trumpet, pussy smoking, or writing message shows. They still have the silly smelly fire show though.
2. Seem to be a lot of very suspiciously young looking girls these days, although not specially pretty to my taste.
As my favourites were missing, I selected tall Aew from the lesbian show and also tiny Dtom who I knew already. After they had done their shows, it was back to my hotel. Naturally lots of kissing, licking, sucking, fucking, groping, etc. followed. The girls were quite into each other and seemed to spontaneously kiss and molest each other or lick the other's pussy, etc. without me asking them to do these things. So a really good time had by all it seemed. Having two tongues (girl's tongues) is better than just one, not to mention two pussies to play with.
Asking Dtom, which girl at SW was the best licker, she had to admit it was probably herself, due to her enthusiasm and experience. Her BJ was pretty good too. Very tight pussy too. She is so little.
Aew was a bit dting dtong, but really into sex with a big appetite for it, and stamina. Reckon she could go for hours and several shots. Aew was smoothly shaved and Dtom had a nicely styled and trimmed short shaped diamond. I don't like long hairy pussies.
For guys wanting 2 or more girls, I recommend selecting girls that really like each other out of the Suzi Wong lesbian shows. Long ago tried Eden but the performance there seemed rather fake and mechanical (and most Eden girls are not that pretty).
What is it that has made so many guys try EZMassage? Do guys mostly get sucked in when intending to enter Mango?
I gather EZ is seriously no competition?No, it is the website. I will be the first to admit I have rubbed one out looking at the website. And then you go to EZ massage, and the girls are all 100% plain. Photoshopped to the max, nothing like the pictures at all.
This is better as the other was many pages long with no sex happening.
Tomorrow I start work so will be back to action after all the colleagues leave.
But now thinking to go to Pattaya as I do prefer it over Bangkok.
Will see.
Cheers.Good story but why no sex!?!
I am going to BKK in November. First time. I decided to do a little research on places I might visit, and created a map that should be useful. I thought others might like to see it and make suggestions. A couple of notes: 1) I'm only going to be on the ground for a week, so obviously I won't be going to all these places; 2) I am staying at Town Lodge, Sukhumvit Soi 18; 3) I didn't bother noting individual places in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza; and 4) Hyatt Regency is on the map because I know the band there, although I also understand Spasso is a place for some freelance girls.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=201674603674274468234.0004ab5222c27ff74394d&msa=0&ll=13.746305,100.560908&spn=0.025387,0.038581
Anyway, enjoy!Thanks friend, highly appreciated! I'll try to add when I get back from my trip to SEA begin November.
L
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1200463]I went to visit my favourite girls that I have often taken together from Sheba in Soi Cowboy. Was disappointed, as Noi, Naam, and Yao were all not there. Many of the remaining girls looked too young. No one really took my fancy. This is a bit poor for a Saturday night, but previous experiences at Sheba have been fun.
How much did it cost you?
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1200463]I went to visit my favourite girls that I have often taken together from Sheba in Soi Cowboy. Was disappointed, as Noi, Naam, and Yao were all not there. Many of the remaining girls looked too young. No one really took my fancy. This is a bit poor for a Saturday night, but previous experiences at Sheba have been fun.
How much did it cost you?I don't want to get involved in price bickering on the forum.
What it cost me was my decision. Price was not negotiated, as it is known that I am very fair or even generous for girls that provide well. Lazy girls get less from me, but this rarely happens as I am mostly choosing well. Less experienced guys will probably take the wrong girl more often, but mostly you can tell if the vibe is right after sitting with the girl for a while in the bar.
If you call over multiple girls for a drink, you can then later only BF the ones that you got the right vibe from.
Obviously two girls cost twice as much as one girl for both bar fine and subsequent payment. As the sex session was lengthy, both had to earn the money, although they seemed to be having a good time anyway.
No, it is the website. I will be the first to admit I have rubbed one out looking at the website. And then you go to EZ massage, and the girls are all 100% plain. Photoshopped to the max, nothing like the pictures at all.When I go into an MP with seriously plain Janes, I have no problem to walk straight out again.
I have been a regular at TL2 for years, but when they have no pretty girls, I am not staying.
I must admit I haven't bothered to look at the EZ website. I am well used to websites that exaggerate a lot.
I would to read a report, from someone trustworthy (not 1st time poster) , about the level of prettiness.
I know that Cat at Mango is really quite pretty, like her picture on the website, although a bit darker skinned.
The website says she is back. Is this true? I suppose I can just ring and ask.
Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?
Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?Ewww, How on earth do you get a pleasure out of DP. Probably only gays like that. I am sure you can do a Google search for such a woman.
Best chance may be a freelancer, but good luck if you don't get slapped first.
Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?I would have thought the obvious places to try would be Tulip, Mango, Snow White, since anal is common.
Expect to pay double for the room and at least double for the girl.
Others have reported organising such things in the Nana car park I think.
Obviously these things are available for the right price, and if the dicks pass as not too large.
I reckon multiple pussies is much more fun.
DP is probably mostly a porno thing. Although I have met girls that wanted to be tended by 2 guys at once,
I am not sure that DP was in their mind.
Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?Just bring your wallet. If you can't find it in Bangkok, it doesn't exist.
How on earth do you get a pleasure out of DP. Probably only gays like that. I am sure you can do a Google search for such a woman.
Best chance may be a freelancer, but good luck if you don't get slapped first.Duniawala ji.
It's just a porno thingy. For the souvenir memory. I can tell you though that I once had a hottie in India who asked me and my friend to to enter her in the same hole at the same time! Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Thanks for the reply Syzglass. Will certainly try at the MPs.
I would have thought the obvious places to try would be Tulip, Mango, Snow White, since anal is common.
Expect to pay double for the room and at least double for the girl.
Others have reported organising such things in the Nana car park I think.
Obviously these things are available for the right price, and if the dicks pass as not too large.
I reckon multiple pussies is much more fun.
DP is probably mostly a porno thing. Although I have met girls that wanted to be tended by 2 guys at once,
I am not sure that DP was in their mind.
Has anyone have had pleasure of DP in Bangkok? (MMF) Is it on the menu or should I forget it? If available then where would be maximum chances. MP / Freelancer / Bar babes?One other thing you can do is rent a Ladyboy. They like 2 dicks in the ass. Fill them up big boy!
Two more weeks and I will be in town first time for a few years. Dropping in for two nights on the way to China.
Can not stop thinking about those hot as hell girls, so much fun, so chute, so hot, so cheap. No wonder guys fall for these wonderful creatures.
Duniawala ji.
It's just a porno thingy. For the souvenir memory. I can tell you though that I once had a hottie in India who asked me and my friend to to enter her in the same hole at the same time! Different strokes for different folks I guess.Just confirms what I said. Whether the girl likes it not, you do definitely like it. Whatever rocks your boat, dude. Good luck.
Brothers,
Does anyone know girl with pierced pussy in BKK? Where may I find this kind of wg? Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
T. 72
Somewhere15
09-29-11, 15:12
Brothers,
Does anyone know girl with pierced pussy in BKK? Where may I find this kind of wg? Thanks in advance.
Cheers.
T. 72In my experience it's difficult to find.
In general piercings are not so popular as for instance in the United Kingdom.
Belly piercings are wide spread but. Tongue piercings, nipple piercing and pussy piercing forget it, see it only as a huge bonus if you find the right person.
Mr Enternational
09-29-11, 20:32
Belly piercings are wide spread but. Tongue piercings, nipple piercing and pussy piercing forget it, see it only as a huge bonus if you find the right person.I've had relations with many Thai girls who have tongue piercings, but as you said nipple and private parts are out. I just found this one who has a tongue piercing two weeks ago. She knows how to work it and she treats me like a king. I shall hold on to her.
Had a couple days in Thailand and decided to stay the first night in BKK. Met an online friend who already agreed that we will only fuck. She works in a bank, good lucking slim lady, about 45 years old (found out that Thai ladies are the hottest in this age). Came to my hotel and went right to business. First mutual shower and the to the bed for action. Long deep sucking until I came the first time. Then it was her turn. I licked her all over and she enjoyed very much. Then put on a rubber and she rode me like there is no tomorrow. Her nipples got stone hard, she screamed and finally came. Then we tried her third hole that she offered already in our chats. Wonderful tight and it did take me long to shot my load. We both had 3 orgasm in a period of 3 hours. The only think I gave her was a cheap perfume from Europe which she loved. Great experience of my first freebie in Thailand, which was not the only one during this trip (see Pattaya section)
Somewhere15
09-29-11, 23:59
I've had relations with many Thai girls who have tongue piercings, but as you said nipple and private parts are out. I just found this one who has a tongue piercing two weeks ago. She knows how to work it and she treats me like a king. I shall hold on to her.I also had my fair share of girls with piercings.
As said I see it always as a bonus and stopped being looking special to it.
Back to Bangkok two weeks after my last visit. Only 3 sessions / 3 girls this time – two ups and a down.
Craigslist Hook-up
I've used CL a lot in Hong Kong to hook up with professionals, semi-pros and amateurs looking for pocket money, but I've never really had much joy using CL outside HK.
One post particularly caught my eye on the HK site a couple of months ago, entitled 'Use my wife' and I was intrigued as I have not really 'swung' before. The poster turned out to be a Farang guy living in Pattaya, whose Thai wife liked to swing. She was available either on her own or as a double-act with the husband. We were unable to hook up in HK, but agreed to stay in touch and try to get together if I came to Bangkok.
Had a meeting all set up for my previous visit at the end of August, but the painters and decorators decided to drop in on the lady on the day of our hook-up, leaving me high and dry until the in-room masseuse came to the rescue.
Got back in touch to try and meet on this trip and, after a couple of months of correspondence, the hook-up was finally on!
The couple – 'D' and 'J' – turned out to be an older Brit and an attractive mid-thirties Thai lady: slim, lightly tanned, nice smile. Both very friendly, easy-going, normal people. We met at my hotel, they came up to my room together and then D left us, telling me to take my time with J and call him when done.
I spent a very enjoyable couple of hours with J – very relaxed, nice chat and excellent sex. J certainly knew what she was doing and seemed to enjoy it too. After an initial snog, she started giving me a high-class BBBJ and I had to struggle not to explode straight away. The BBBJ became a 69 – neat, shaven pussy, nice and moist – and after a few minutes of that I thought I had better move on or there would be no holding back, so I flipped her on her back and proceeded to go down on her: my tried and tested party trick.
As I've mentioned before, I really enjoy going down on women, and find it a huge turn-on when they get turned on by what I'm doing. J didn't disappoint in that regard, really getting into it, her moans getting louder and her pussy becoming sopping wet as her enjoyment increased, until she literally came screaming, bucking and thrashing like a wild filly. I have a big cheesy grin on my face as I write this, just thinking about it.
She told that she hadn't planned on coming first as she normally has control and likes to make the guy come first and then, as if to make amends, immediately resumed the sloppy blowjob she had started earlier until I couldn't hold back and came hard and long in her mouth. She stayed clamped around my knob for a good while as I continued to spurt away and took the whole load like a veteran (which I guess she is, as she and D seem to have been into the swinging game for a while). I was hoping she'the swallow, which would have really put the cap on it for me but – alas – it was a spit.
Stayed in bed for a while, chatting and telling each other about ourselves – an intelligent, caring woman, J – and then naturally progressed into round two, the full monty this time, which was also excellent: tight pussy, very skillful lady and plenty of enthusiasm. Finished off with me straddling her and coming all over her face – another lovely image for my mental archive.
Cleaned up, sat around chatting a bit more and she headed off. No fuss, no muss, just a nice, relaxed encounter. The only slight disappointment was that D had told me that anal was always a possibility with J but when I suggested it to her, she was reluctant, so I didn't insist.
Might take up D's offer of double-teaming J next time I am in town, which may open up that avenue (terrible pun intended!).
There was a fee involved. D told me that part of J's fantasy is that he 'prostitutes' her out to other men, and she needs to be paid to complete the game. J told me that she likes sex with other men for the variety and D likes to see her do it. She also added that the two of them have had group encounters before too, so I'm not sure whether a fee is generally required or the opportunity was seized because I happened to ask whether there was any monetary reward required.
Notwithstanding, I had a good time and am glad to have had the hook-up: J is a great gal.
Soi Cowboy / Shark Bar
Made the pilgrimage to Shark in spite of the rain, hoping to take home the tall drink of water I'the been eyeing up on my previous visit, but who already had a client on the go that day.
Turned up and was greeted with enthusiasm by the older hostess I'the chatted to the last time. She was joined by a real little raver – a big improvement on the usual standard of hostess I've seen at Shark: young, friendly, petite, tight black dress showing her curves and a stonking pair of stems to boot.
Had the horn for her almost immediately, but was so focused on the tall girl I had come hoping to see, that I decided to pass the young hostess by. Big mistake, as it turned out – not only did the young bird get snaffled and barfined ten minutes later just as I thought I'the go for her and the tallie as a duo, but the tall one turned out to be rubbish in the sack when I eventually got her home.
It was a bit trippy at Shark that night as all four girls I've barfined in the past were in attendance! Joy, from January 2010 was the first one I spotted. She recognized me, smiled and looked hopeful but did not push it when I gave a little shake of the head to politely decline. Saw her getting barfined a little later. Noi, also from Jan '10, was in the house as well, bouncing about as usual. Big grin when she saw me – smile and a wave, no pressure again.
The pair from August 2011 were on stage a few minutes later – saw me, smiled, waved and came straight over when they finished their turn. I can't remember their names, but the prettier one got quite huffy when I politely declined and gave me the cold shoulder for the rest of the time I was there. The other girl took it all in stride and was not fussed when I said no.
Made eye-contact with the tall one, she came over, was quite eager to seal the deal, agreed 3k all-nighter. Friendly, lovely smile, nice sense of humour and I thought I was onto a winner here but should have had listened to my instincts when she refused to kiss after the first lady-drink, saying she's shy in public.
Got her back to the hotel, and it was a pretty disappointing experience. She didn't hold back on doing anything, but the skills just weren't there and it was quite clear she wasn't really into it. Got the deed over and done with, and sent her home after about an hour.
Lesson well and truly learned.
EZ Massage, Soi 24
Mentioned in my last report that I had the horn big time for Natalee, despite the fact that the picture on the site looked heavily photo-shopped as some of you guys pointed out.
Decided to book Natalee for my last afternoon in town but while I was browsing the site my attention was distracted by May, another little brownie, but with a softer, friendlier look to her than Natalee. Tossed a mental coin and decided to go for May. Booked in advance and ordered in as the weather was really shitty outside.
Boy, did this one turn out to be a serendipitous decision. When I opened the door there stood an absolutely stunning little raver! Lovely figure in a short clingy dress, scrummy milk-chocolate skin, huge baby-doll eyes and a pixie-cute smile.
I think she was a little intimidated at first – I'm a big guy and tend to loom over these petite little Thai girls – and the fact that she spoke practically zero English made her even more nervous. The advantage of being big and tall though, is that you can really envelope little girls in a cuddle, which most of the women I know have told me is something they love – the feeling of being protected and safe (I guess it's something to do with the subconscious 'daddy's little girl' bit.). So, I pulled her gently into a cuddle and felt her start to relax almost straight away. Bent down and gave her a long, soft kiss – putty in my hands after that.
She really responded to the kiss and what followed was two hours of absolute GFE. After she got over her initial shyness, she alternated between being a raving nympho and a cuddly little cutie – it didn't feel like an act, but if it was it was a hell of a good one, so no complaints either way.
Everything was on offer except anal, including letting me take photos and video.
Started off with a lot of kissing and nibbling, which she turned into an excellent blowjob. Pulled her over into a 69, which she seemed to enjoy so turned her round onto her back and went down on her for ages – she took her time getting there, but when she did it was a hell of an orgasm! Shagged her in a few positions (lots of moaning and writhing from the girl) , before giving her a nice milk-moustache, porno-style, which she had a good giggle about!
Stayed in bed together for a bit. She had a little snooze – and then onto round two, which was pretty much a repeat of round one. Fooled around for a bit afterwards, took more video and sent on her way with a snog at the door and a generous tip.
Highly recommended if you like brownies.
Had a couple days in Thailand and decided to stay the first night in BKK. Met an online friend who already agreed that we will only fuck. She works in a bank, good lucking slim lady, about 45 years old (found out that Thai ladies are the hottest in this age). Came to my hotel and went right to business. First mutual shower and the to the bed for action. Long deep sucking until I came the first time. Then it was her turn. I licked her all over and she enjoyed very much. Then put on a rubber and she rode me like there is no tomorrow. Her nipples got stone hard, she screamed and finally came. Then we tried her third hole that she offered already in our chats. Wonderful tight and it did take me long to shot my load. We both had 3 orgasm in a period of 3 hours. The only think I gave her was a cheap perfume from Europe which she loved. Great experience of my first freebie in Thailand, which was not the only one during this trip (see Pattaya section)What online site or sites are you using to find such pleasure providers?
This guy has been pushing his wife for a rather long time now. Met up with her two years ago in Pattaya. In my case I had to go through a 'pre-interview' with the husband due to my many questions as to her boundaries. Entertaining session.
Back to Bangkok two weeks after my last visit. Only 3 sessions / 3 girls this time – two ups and a down.
Craigslist Hook-up
I've used CL a lot in Hong Kong to hook up with professionals, semi-pros and amateurs looking for pocket money, but I've never really had much joy using CL outside HK.
One post particularly caught my eye on the HK site a couple of months ago, entitled 'Use my wife' and I was intrigued as I have not really 'swung' before. The poster turned out to be a Farang guy living in Pattaya, whose Thai wife liked to swing. She was available either on her own or as a double-act with the husband. We were unable to hook up in HK, but agreed to stay in touch and try to get together if I came to Bangkok.
Snipped.
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EZ Massage, Soi 24
Tossed a mental coin and decided to go for May. Booked in advance and ordered in as the weather was really shitty outside.
Boy, did this one turn out to be a serendipitous decision.
Highly recommended if you like brownies.Oh I love brownies and reading your report and seing the pictures of May made me so horny I almost jumped on the next plane to BKK.
I ended up going to a thai massage here in Berlin / Germany. But we simply don't have such cuties here. Europe is a sex hell for me!
She really responded to the kiss and what followed was two hours of absolute GFE. After she got over her initial shyness, she alternated between being a raving nympho and a cuddly little cutie – it didn't feel like an act, but if it was it was a hell of a good one, so no complaints either way.
Everything was on offer except anal, including letting me take photos and video.You didn't book your appointment under the name "Mike" did you? If so I had just finished ramming her up the butt before you came in. I see May maybe twice a week and for the entire month of September I never fucked her pussy. Only her tight little butt.
walked by the new lollipop1 blowjob bar on sukhumvit soi 10. had a couple of older women outside. i stepped inside and it looked quite nice-not as nice as [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) in pattaya but it looked great. i didn't partake as i was running out of time but i will try it out soon. i can't see going to the dark smelly interior of [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) bkk anymore after going here. though i must admit the debauchery of sol will keep me going there. nothing like banging a girl in the toilet lol.
in case you need to find lollipop turn left into soi 10 from sukhumvit and turn into the first subsoi on your left. lollipop is right in front of of you. it's behind the purple-colored paradiso boutique suites hotel. they named it lollipop1 because lollipop was already taken by the nana plaza disco.
i took a photo of the lollipop sign as i thought it was funny it was telling you that lollipop was in the direction the arrow was showing when in fact lollipop is in the other direction (it's right in front of the sign). amazing thailand!
158665
Oh I love brownies and reading your report and seing the pictures of May made me so horny I almost jumped on the next plane to BKK.
I ended up going to a thai massage here in Berlin / Germany. But we simply don't have such cuties here. Europe is a sex hell for me!Germany is sex paradise. You should try USA, Australia, England, Italy, etc. Germany is miles (kms) in front.
EZ photoshoped pictures are most misleading. There are good Thai girls in Germany too.
I took a photo of the Lollipop sign as I thought it was funny it was telling you that Lollipop was in the direction the arrow was showing when in fact Lollipop is in the other direction (it's right in front of the sign). Amazing Thailand!
158665I guess you mean that the sign points left and Lollipop is on the "right" of the sign.
FlyingVisitor
10-01-11, 12:00
Hi, Fellows:
Anybody with recent experience of SOL? There was a rumour that there has been some change among the girls.
Will be back to BKK in about 8 weeks.
Hope to enjoy again that unique and specific atmosphere of publicity!
Short response is appreciated.
FV
Germany is sex paradise. You should try USA, Australia, England, Italy, etc. Germany is miles (kms) in front.
EZ photoshoped pictures are most misleading. There are good Thai girls in Germany too.What are you going to tell us next. That the prices in Germany are much cheaper too.
I have been to all the places you mentioned. They are not even close to Thailand or SEA.
What are you going to tell us next. That the prices in Germany are much cheaper too.
I have been to all the places you mentioned. They are not even close to Thailand or SEA.Please respect other's opinions, yours is no more valid than anyone else's. Say that YOU prefer Thailand and SEA, but don't make it an absolute truth. As it happens, I don't agree with you, and I could explain why I am not a great fan of LOS, but that is of little interst to others, since it is only my opinion, not a fact. That's me. As for FKKs, I like them because I can stay there for 18h, in a nice club, enjoying, sauna, massage, food. And sex, fuck where, when (and if) I want, sleep in between, while watching 100+ naked women of all shape, style and ethnicity wandering around and chatting with some, And if I have to choose, altogeher, I certainly would choose to live in Germany rather than Thailand. Again, that's me, to each his own.
Cheers
ViagraGirl
10-01-11, 15:55
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Duration / Rates.
Short Time (3 hours).5, 000 THB.
Dinner Date (6 hours).7, 000 THB.
Over Night (10 hours).9, 000 THB.
Whole Day (24 hours).10, 000 THB.
Website@
http://www.viagragirlescort.com
158672
I live in this backwards place. Girls aside. Bangkok is a FILTHY city. I have seen some sick shit. Not to mention there was curfew, for a few nights.
I could only imagine, what it be like to be a regular at a FKK. A few days a year (or a lifetime) in Germany, does not compare with living in some of the German cities. Maybe you couldn't get pussy everyday, like most manage here. But so what.
On a side note. I was at one of the massage places the other day, with a real cutie. We had a hot session. I stand up to get some water, when I notice her cup was full of beer. She was on her 2nd Leo. It was 12:30 pm. The party never ends.
Wolvenvacht
10-01-11, 20:04
There was a rumour that there has been some change among the girls.What change? Do you mean the girls are giving it away for free now?
Please respect other's opinions, yours is no more valid than anyone else's. Say that YOU prefer Thailand and SEA, but don't make it an absolute truth. As it happens, I don't agree with you, and I could explain why I am not a great fan of LOS, but that is of little interst to others, since it is only my opinion, not a fact. That's me. As for FKKs, I like them because I can stay there for 18h, in a nice club, enjoying, sauna, massage, food. And sex, fuck where, when (and if) I want, sleep in between, while watching 100+ naked women of all shape, style and ethnicity wandering around and chatting with some, And if I have to choose, altogeher, I certainly would choose to live in Germany rather than Thailand. Again, that's me, to each his own.
CheersHUH?
OK, how is this:
I have been to Germany several times. I found the prices to be way too high, the girls to be mechanical and non-GFE. From my experience, it is not even close to Thailand mongering or other areas in SEA for quality, price, quantity.
I would not want to live in Germany because it is 2 to 3 times as expensive not just for mongering, but everyday expenses. I also found that the German people are not friendly and are rather boring.
The only decent thing they have to offer is Bratwurst, but I like pussy, not wieners.
HUH?
OK, how is this:
I have been to Germany several times. I found the prices to be way too high, the girls to be mechanical and non-GFE. From my experience, it is not even close to Thailand mongering or other areas in SEA for quality, price, quantity.
I would not want to live in Germany because it is 2 to 3 times as expensive not just for mongering, but everyday expenses. I also found that the German people are not friendly and are rather boring.
The only decent thing they have to offer is Bratwurst, but I like pussy, not wieners.
Please respect other's opinions, yours is no more valid than anyone else's. Say that YOU prefer Thailand and SEA, but don't make it an absolute truth. As it happens, I don't agree with you, and I could explain why I am not a great fan of LOS, but that is of little interst to others, since it is only my opinion, not a fact. That's me. As for FKKs, I like them because I can stay there for 18h, in a nice club, enjoying, sauna, massage, food. And sex, fuck where, when (and if) I want, sleep in between, while watching 100+ naked women of all shape, style and ethnicity wandering around and chatting with some, And if I have to choose, altogeher, I certainly would choose to live in Germany rather than Thailand. Again, that's me, to each his own.
CheersI agree. Germany is good but IMHO, Thailand service providers offer far greater customer service. There is also much less impact on my wallet in Thailand than in Germany. Winner: THAILAND.
Member #4152
10-02-11, 04:53
I guess it just depends on what type of women you want eh? If you want a white girl, it makes sense to go to Europe right? I mean most of the ones in the US are lazy, not good looking, dirty, etc. If you have an appetite for Asian Kitty cats, you go to somewhere like Thailand or the Philippines. For me, because I live in the states, Southeast Asia is perfect for me because of the exchange rate. When the dollar is strong, life in SE Asia is like Heaven!
There are so many places better than Germany. Budapest and Prague for example put Germany to shame.
In my opinion from my experience.
There are so many places better than Germany. Budapest and Prague for example put Germany to shame.
In my opinion from my experience.Germany is the King of the Eurozone but its P4P scene is nowhere as good as what is available in Asia (IMHO), except for Japan which is overpriced and generally anti-Western. Navigating in BKK sometimes poses a problem for the inebriated, especially in areas where katoeys mingle with real ladies.
I guess it just depends on what type of women you want eh? If you want a white girl, it makes sense to go to Europe right? I mean most of the ones in the US are lazy, not good looking, dirty, etc. If you have an appetite for Asian Kitty cats, you go to somewhere like Thailand or the Philippines. For me, because I live in the states, Southeast Asia is perfect for me because of the exchange rate. When the dollar is strong, life in SE Asia is like Heaven!However, I have seen a lot of South American girls that look like service providers running around BKK lately. Some are in my hotel. Anybody know the scoop on this? I've thought about asking one of them but am really more interested in the local talent.
What are you going to tell us next. That the prices in Germany are much cheaper too.
I have been to all the places you mentioned. They are not even close to Thailand or SEA.I was merely pointing out that Germany is not hell for sex, as one person wrote.
Many other western countries have far less reasonably priced sex available.
Many sex tourists fly into germany for the weekend. There must be a reason that they do this.
I was not comparing German prices to Thailand.
I did point out that there are many Thai girls in Germany and they are not all ugly.
So being in Germany is not sex hell at all.
I do not try to claim its better than Thailand at all. It is NOT a Germany Vs. Thailand post at all. That would be a silly comparison.
Germany is sex paradise. You should try USA, Australia, England, Italy, etc. Germany is miles (kms) in front.
EZ photoshoped pictures are most misleading. There are good Thai girls in Germany too.While we had some nice Thai girls (in their mid-twenties) a few years ago (till 2008 if I remember correctly) , they are all gone now (very few exceptions, will report on them in the Berlin thread). Maybe due to a change in German visa policy.
Germany is surely better in terms of P4P than the States, UK or for example India (I've worked in Bangalore for a few months, this was a real sex hell). There are many pretty East European girls doing escorts in Berlin. Problem is that very often they are too obsessed with cigarettes, very often they practise un-safe sex and some of them are exploited to the max, having 10 or more dates a day. So this is not a scene I can enjoy without bad feelings.
And what a different experience my first night in Bangkok was! Landing at 6pm, checking in at Grand Millenium at 7pm, taking a shower, having a snack, being on the street a 9pm, strolling through Soi Cowboy a few times before finding a 18yo cutie from Five Star Bar at 10pm and then back at the hotel 6 hours of fantastic sex and lots of kisses, smooching and so forth, all for a ridiculous low price. Two weeks later that girl came up with a story that she left her boyfriend for me. I know Bangkok it's a big illusion, but it's a perfect illusion.
As mentioned it depends on what type of women you are but since I love big brown eyes, small waists, slim arms and legs, apple asses and dark skin (funny how I have changed from a big tits lover) I would trade Berlin for Bangkok any minute (having in mind that I would need my German salary there).
Arrived Bangkok and have my first night with a girl from Rainbow 4. Her number is 64 (or 62? Forget). Anyway, bf her and talked for a LT till morning 9 am. But around 5 am, she wake me up telling that her friends wants her to come home for open the door. This is the usual styles and stories this working girls are alwyas using as a reason to left earlier. She later said I just pay her st instead. (we got to hotel by 2:00 am and she left by 5:00 am).
I was wondering what exactly is the right market price for ST and LT: I understand it is 2000 bht for ST and 4000 bht for LT (but I always bargained down between 3000 to 3500 bht for LT).
I also wonder if those outsude NEP bars girls are cheaper?
Cheers,
MD
Well, I did not think I would launch such a debate "Germany vs Thailand".
I just said that we should not make personal views look like if it was absolute truth. It is fortunate that we do not all think that the same place is the best in the world otherwise, this place would be. Well, very crowded. FKKs must have some interest if I judge by the number of them, their popularity, and the fact that more and more are opening. With regards to being not GF and ripped off there, I am afraid this only apply to those who are not careful in choosing. It is like everywhere, even in Thailand, where bad experiences can be had. I feel that the guy who gets ripped off somewhere is likely to be ripped off elsewhere as well.
I don't see the point to argue for or against each of those countries. I monger all over the world, and how good Germany is irrelevant when I am in BKK, and vice-versa. I, in fact try to get the best of each of the place I am in, and I am glad to say that I usually succeed (there are exceptions, like Scandinavia, India.) , even in Japan, which, contrary to what has been said here, is not so anti-foreigner, as long as you respect the rules, and do your homework, look at the Tokyo thread, our bros there have a lot of fun.
It's a pity that some of the comments became xenophobic, anti-German, anti-tHAI (I am not german, BTW) , etc.
Anyway, living in Europe and being 60 Euros away from FRA, I will be going for a 2 day visit to FKKS soon, that's easier for me than flying to BKK. Where I will be for 12h in February. 12h is enough for me, I'll get a BBBJ at SOL early morning, then head towards Soi 26-28 for a full grooming / shaving session (no sex) , than an oily somewhere (Snow white / Mango) , then a legit massage (no sex) , and finally a soap at Akane in the evening before catching my flight. To Tokyo. Anyway. 3 cums in 12h is my max. Again, to each his own.
This is the usual styles and stories this working girls are alwyas using as a reason to left earlier. She later said I just pay her st instead. (we got to hotel by 2:00 am and she left by 5:00 am).Yes the usual bullshit stories (which may be semi-true on occasions). The only thing I can suggest is to make it clear that ST will only pay a very low amount and LT will be much better rewarded. Its getting more and more difficult to find LT girls.
In one case, my tactic was to tell the girl, I'm tired and don't want sex now, but I only want the sex just before breakfast. That seemed to work. So get a ST girl early in the evening, and then go back and get another one to use this approach. Seriously, 2:00AM is not the best time to get a girl if you are wanting LT, as its a bit late to go back for another replacement one.
Some girls cannot do LT at all. Reasons vary a lot. E. G. Boyfriend, parents, school, child, etc.
Its best to do LT with known reliable girls.
Yes the usual bullshit stories (which may be semi-true on occasions). The only thing I can suggest is to make it clear that ST will only pay a very low amount and LT will be much better rewarded. Its getting more and more difficult to find LT girls.
In one case, my tactic was to tell the girl, I'm tired and don't want sex now, but I only want the sex just before breakfast. That seemed to work. So get a ST girl early in the evening, and then go back and get another one to use this approach. Seriously. 2:00AM is not the best time to get a girl if you are wanting LT, as its a bit late to go back for another replacement one.
Some girls cannot do LT at all. Reasons vary a lot. E. G. Boyfriend, parents, school, child, etc.
Its best to do LT with known reliable girls.Thanks S!
The reason why it tooks me that late to choose the girls for LT is that I went from bars to bars and forgot its too late in the morning.
How about the price I pay for ST and LT? Is 2000 for ST and 3000 for LT is something within market prices?
German FKK's are unique in the fact you can fuck a few hot girls with out having to go anywhere else. You can not take a nap in the middle of a Bangkok fish bowl. Plus in Germany you can step outside and smoke a bowl of the super funk. Not this swamp dirt, we have to smoke in BKK.
Everyone tries to act like Bangkok is so cheap compared to other big cities. I just don't see it. I'm not going to say how much my rent is. But I will mention, I just spent 600 baht at Tops on food that I will have ate in a few hours. Salty snacks and cheese cost more than pussy.
Thanks S!
How about the price I pay for ST and LT? Is 2000 for ST and 3000 for LT is something within market prices?2000 ST is very overpriced, but it seems lots of these girls are able to get this amount now. You should be able to get some of the girls to go for 1-1. 5k ST as long as you're not asking for too much in the bedroom. Remember, TIT and everything is negotiable.
OK, I'll join in. I've only been to Germany once, this summer actually, and had a great time in FKK Samya (Cologne) with a huge-boobed Rumanian. Even had a Thai massage in Frankfurt and several lesser expensive Greek girls in Athens. So, my comparative experience is rather limited. But Germany and the rest of Europe is way too expensive for me. For what I spent in three weeks in Europe I could have lived on (and banged many more times) for three months in most parts in Asia (Japan and Korea notwithstanding). Nevertheless, like Dreams, I, too, like to experience different pussies in their parts of the world when given the opportunity to do so.
D Cups.
"Spanning the globe for the world's largest bangable boobs" (hopefully with a pretty face and a small frame but standards vary based on liquid levels.
Well, I did not think I would launch such a debate "Germany vs Thailand".
I just said that we should not make personal views look like if it was absolute truth. It is fortunate that we do not all think that the same place is the best in the world otherwise, this place would be. Well, very crowded. FKKs must have some interest if I judge by the number of them, their popularity, and the fact that more and more are opening. With regards to being not GF and ripped off there, I am afraid this only apply to those who are not careful in choosing. It is like everywhere, even in Thailand, where bad experiences can be had. I feel that the guy who gets ripped off somewhere is likely to be ripped off elsewhere as well.
I don't see the point to argue for or against each of those countries. I monger all over the world, and how good Germany is irrelevant when I am in BKK, and vice-versa. I, in fact try to get the best of each of the place I am in, and I am glad to say that I usually succeed (there are exceptions, like Scandinavia, India.) , even in Japan, which, contrary to what has been said here, is not so anti-foreigner, as long as you respect the rules, and do your homework, look at the Tokyo thread, our bros there have a lot of fun.
It's a pity that some of the comments became xenophobic, anti-German, anti-tHAI (I am not german, BTW) , etc.
Anyway, living in Europe and being 60 Euros away from FRA, I will be going for a 2 day visit to FKKS soon, that's easier for me than flying to BKK. Where I will be for 12h in February. 12h is enough for me, I'll get a BBBJ at SOL early morning, then head towards Soi 26-28 for a full grooming / shaving session (no sex) , than an oily somewhere (Snow white / Mango) , then a legit massage (no sex) , and finally a soap at Akane in the evening before catching my flight. To Tokyo. Anyway. 3 cums in 12h is my max. Again, to each his own.
I was wondering what exactly is the right market price for ST and LT: I understand it is 2000 bht for ST and 4000 bht for LT (but I always bargained down between 3000 to 3500 bht for LT).
I also wonder if those outsude NEP bars girls are cheaper?
MDThose are Rainbow Bar prices. You can get much lower rates from the bars in and out of NEP; it all depends on you and the girl.
i'm a frequent traveller going to both germany and thailand (i live in scandinavia).
going to thailand is always great, and some cheaper than mongering in germany. but still. the prices are increasing in thailand at a speed a high speed, flight, hotels, girls, food, drinks makes it an expensive holiday.
thailand has so much to offer horny men like me. i just love the bj bars, the gogos where i can see young and sexy thai girls dance, and later bring some of them back to my room. massage places everywhere. soapies. and, bangkog is an exciting city which has a lot more than sex to offer also. all this makes me just come back again and again.
what i like about the fkk scene is that i can be surrouded by beautiful girls from all over the world (and fuck them!) , relax in the pool, eat barbeque food from the grill, and just enjoy.
actually, one of the most beautiful thai girls i have ever met, was in berlin at a massage place. she was born in thailand, but moved to germany at an early age since she has family there. she was only 18 years old, and gave me a fantastic bodymassage and handjob.
this year i have already been 2 timer to thailand, and 2 times to germany. will go back to germany later this month for some fun before i take a long christmas holiday in thailand :-d
i'm a frequent traveller going to both germany and thailand (i live in scandinavia).
going to thailand is always great, and some cheaper than mongering in germany. but still. the prices are increasing in thailand at a speed a high speed, flight, hotels, girls, food, drinks makes it an expensive holiday.
thailand has so much to offer horny men like me. i just love the bj bars, the gogos where i can see young and sexy thai girls dance, and later bring some of them back to my room. massage places everywhere. soapies. and, bangkog is an exciting city which has a lot more than sex to offer also. all this makes me just come back again and again.
what i like about the fkk scene is that i can be surrouded by beautiful girls from all over the world (and fuck them!) , relax in the pool, eat barbeque food from the grill, and just enjoy.
actually, one of the most beautiful thai girls i have ever met, was in berlin at a massage place. she was born in thailand, but moved to germany at an early age since she has family there. she was only 18 years old, and gave me a fantastic bodymassage and handjob.
this year i have already been 2 timer to thailand, and 2 times to germany. will go back to germany later this month for some fun before i take a long christmas holiday in thailand :-dthis seems to be a good conclusion to this "debate". let's close it and go back to informing each other about new opportunities.
It's been a LONG while since I was in Bangkok but it looks like I'll be there again next week. Last time I was there the BTS Skytrain on Suhkumvit was just starting service. That's how long ago! Wonder if my Tailor HERMANN is till in business.
I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?
What would the approximate cost be?
Thanks for the help.
Wolvenvacht
10-02-11, 21:33
I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?
What would the approximate cost be?At that time a taxi will be the best option since traffic will be easy. Ignore the taxi touts and get a metered taxi. Don't go for a "fixed" price, just use the taximeter. You are always better off.
http://www.suvarnabhumiairport.com/to_from_public_taxi_en.php
Prices should be between 300 to 400 baht plus express way tolls.
At any other time the Suvarnabhumi Airport Rail Link or SARL is your best choice to go to central Bangkok. Note that SARL will only run between 6AM and midnight.
More info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport_Rail_Link
And.
http://airportraillink.railway.co.th/en/
Jeff Sinclair
10-02-11, 21:41
Between Soi 3 and 5 on Sukhumvit, very near Nana, there are girls all hours, and some katoeys also, but a few diamonds in the rough.There are some diamonds but also beware of katoeys jailbait and ladies that hide scars etc under shirts.
Some really good performers but nothing like Pattaya beach road.
Have seen a couple of "russians" and some africans down here two.
Also seen a stunning tall indian / paki girl legs and arse to die for but could not work out if she was a freelancer or a tourist.
Seen her a number of times and would have tried but always had a thai girl with me.
Done a few thai girls from here too.
Great value from an older plump girl from khon kaen excellent performer for 500 baht.
Stay in ever rich inn and you would be right in middle of the area
Those are Rainbow Bar prices. You can get much lower rates from the bars in and out of NEP; it all depends on you and the girl.I also aware that st 2000 should be quite a high price too and thye are asking for LT 4000 of which I never give but only give 3000 for LT. I wonder this price was being asked as someone is paying.
Please share your thoughts as to what is really the market price. I know that gthose freelancer at NANA parking lot is asking between 1000 to 1500 for ST but I never go with them and I think price for them should be around 1000 or less.
Anyone can give some comment and info to the rest of guys here?
.
How about the price I pay for ST and LT? Is 2000 for ST and 3000 for LT is something within market prices?To me this seems to be within the usual prices in BKK, but I'm not a real expert since I was only 4 times in BKK and met about 5 different girls. NEP beauties always demand 3500-4000 for LT with little options to bargain while at Soi Cowboy it was always a bit cheaper.
It's been a LONG while since I was in Bangkok but it looks like I'll be there again next week. Last time I was there the BTS Skytrain on Suhkumvit was just starting service. That's how long ago! Wonder if my Tailor HERMANN is till in business.
I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?
What would the approximate cost be?
Thanks for the help.By the time you get out of airport after luggage pickup and immigration, the only option you have would be taxi as trains all shut down by then.
GentleBoner
10-03-11, 05:37
I also aware that st 2000 should be quite a high price too and thye are asking for LT 4000 of which I never give but only give 3000 for LT. I wonder this price was being asked as someone is paying.
Please share your thoughts as to what is really the market price. I know that gthose freelancer at NANA parking lot is asking between 1000 to 1500 for ST but I never go with them and I think price for them should be around 1000 or less.
Anyone can give some comment and info to the rest of guys here?I've never had a girl turn down an offer of 1500 / ST. LT is more variable, but 2500-3000 is what I would look for. 4000 is way too high.
.
I was wondering what exactly is the right market price for ST and LT: I understand it is 2000 bht for ST and 4000 bht for LT (but I always bargained down between 3000 to 3500 bht for LT).ST is 1500 baht / LT is 2000 baht as a general rule in most places.
Higher end girls can be ST 2000 baht / LT 3000 baht.
Lower end (streetwalkers) you can get 1000 baht short time as a general rule.
And that is that. If you are paying more than that then enjoy paying more for what others pay less for, or start negotiating.
To me this seems to be within the usual prices in BKK, but I'm not a real expert since I was only 4 times in BKK and met about 5 different girls. NEP beauties always demand 3500-4000 for LT with little options to bargain while at Soi Cowboy it was always a bit cheaper.I came aross this post on another forum that I go on. Talkinsex. Com.
How stupid do they think we are!
I haven't been to Thailand since Jan this year have the prices gone up that much?
*
ESCORT AGENCY BANGKOK
Duration / Rates.
Short Time (3 hours).5, 000 THB.
Dinner Date (6 hours).7, 000 THB.
Over Night (10 hours).9, 000 THB.
Whole Day (24 hours).10, 000 THB.
*
Member #4351
10-03-11, 09:08
I know that gthose freelancer at NANA parking lot is asking between 1000 to 1500 for STThey were firm on 1500 last night at 3:00 a.m. when I arrived. Slim pickings and a couple of the only decent looking ones even insisted that 1500 was for one hour only. Obviously a function of the late hour.
I came aross this post on another forum that I go on. Talkinsex. Com.
How stupid do they think we are!
I haven't been to Thailand since Jan this year have the prices gone up that much?
*
ESCORT AGENCY BANGKOK
Duration / Rates.
Short Time (3 hours).5, 000 THB.
Dinner Date (6 hours).7, 000 THB.
Over Night (10 hours).9, 000 THB.
Whole Day (24 hours).10, 000 THB.
*I know girls in the escort business and, YES, men are paying these rates! Amazing Thailand!
It's been a LONG while since I was in Bangkok but it looks like I'll be there again next week. Last time I was there the BTS Skytrain on Suhkumvit was just starting service. That's how long ago! Wonder if my Tailor HERMANN is till in business.
I'll be a Tuesday night arriving at 11:05 PM. Quite late. What is the best way to get from the airport to the area near the Marriott (Soi 2 and Suhkumvit)?
What would the approximate cost be?
Thanks for the help.The Marriott is very close to freeway exit. Therefore its best to take taxi and pay the freeway tolls in order to get there as quickly as possible (light traffic late). Price should be just under 300 Baht including Airport 50 Baht surcharge but excluding toll gates.
I avoid the 50 Baht by going upstairs to Departure level, so costs me less than 250 Baht (excluding tolls). Pick up a taxi that is just dropping off customers. Then there is no queueing for the taxi too and they are usually very happy to get a customer so meter use is no problem.
Harry Dude
10-03-11, 19:46
12h is enough for me, I'll get a BBBJ at SOL early morning, then head towards Soi 26-28 for a full grooming / shaving session (no sex) , than an oily somewhere (Snow white / Mango) , then a legit massage (no sex) , and finally a soap at Akane in the evening before catching my flight.
Dreams, where exactly do you go in Soi 26-28 for grooming? Been looking for a place, it is nice to be professionally groomed before hitting the soapies. The girls seem to like that, and seem to provide better service when you are well groomed.
guys,
i know about nana parking area being good for finding freelancers but how about soi cowboy? is there any area near soi cowboy to have a peek at good quality freelancers? i an not looking for cheap or low quality so would be interested only if quality is high. appreciate any replies.
thanks
guys,
i know about nana parking area being good for finding freelancers but how about soi cowboy? is there any area near soi cowboy to have a peek at good quality freelancers? i an not looking for cheap or low quality so would be interested only if quality is high. appreciate any replies.
thanksmargaya.
cowboy is loaded with pussy, however it is not a freelance set up. if you want the best quality try the shark bar early before the prime is picked.
if you must have 'freelance' try soi 33, there are girls aplenty on the street. stop by livingston's for a beer, pool and a fairly good stable of girls as well.
bottom line is there is no shortage of girls in bkk. you will find them everywhere. bargirl, massage, escort, freelance, turn them upside down and they all look like sisters.
imho.
guido88
guys,
i know about nana parking area being good for finding freelancers but how about soi cowboy? is there any area near soi cowboy to have a peek at good quality freelancers? i an not looking for cheap or low quality so would be interested only if quality is high. appreciate any replies.
thankswalk from asok station toward nana on the right-hand side of the street. go into the coffee shop in the basement of the ruam chit hotel from 11pm onwards.
The Marriott is very close to freeway exit. Therefore its best to take taxi and pay the freeway tolls in order to get there as quickly as possible (light traffic late). Price should be just under 300 Baht including Airport 50 Baht surcharge but excluding toll gates.
I avoid the 50 Baht by going upstairs to Departure level, so costs me less than 250 Baht (excluding tolls). Pick up a taxi that is just dropping off customers. Then there is no queueing for the taxi too and they are usually very happy to get a customer so meter use is no problem.Last time at 6am and something we got hit by heavy traffic in the proximity of Nana exit.
We probably lost the key minutes since police busted my taxi driver at departure. Poor guy had his licence taken and be collected later paying a fine. We have lost some 10' in the paperwork.
Departure level taxi row is flooded by police.
They seem to stop the action every now and then to show they are there.
Last time I took a taxi from arrival and fare wasaround 300 including the 50baht airport fee, plus tolls.
This 50 baht fee is weird. It is for no worth or service.
There is a taxi attendant filling a sort of meaningless form (hey, this is not buenos aires where taxi drivers rob you) , and click that's the reason for the fee.
If you read the airport authority sign it days is not compulsory.
You enter the taxi and a sign says "must pay".
Guess what wins?
Mr Jetsetter
10-04-11, 06:20
I came aross this post on another forum that I go on. Talkinsex. Com.
How stupid do they think we are!
I haven't been to Thailand since Jan this year have the prices gone up that much?
*
ESCORT AGENCY BANGKOK
Duration / Rates.
Short Time (3 hours).5, 000 THB.
Dinner Date (6 hours).7, 000 THB.
Over Night (10 hours).9, 000 THB.
Whole Day (24 hours).10, 000 THB.
*These are escort agency prices, similar to an escort price structure, however lame, that has been around for years. Don't freak out!
Good info from an article about a second generation SW:
""She and other women solicit along the four roads surrounding Lumpini Park: Witthayu, Sarasin, Ratchadamri and Rama IV.
"There are other places in Bangkok where streetwalkers are working such as Sanam Luang, Hua Lampong railway station and Sukhumvit Road," Siriphon said.""
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps
Dreams, where exactly do you go in Soi 26-28 for grooming? Been looking for a place, it is nice to be professionally groomed before hitting the soapies. The girls seem to like that, and seem to provide better service when you are well groomed.The shop I went to last time is just in front of Snow White, don't remember the soi precisely. Got hair cut, pedicure, manucure, ear cleaning, face shaving. Did not have private parts shaved on that occasion, don't know if they do it. But most likely.
Thanks for the article. Will definitely mark my map and check out the area. Love to window shop.
See you all in November.
Skeet.
Good info from an article about a second generation SW:
""She and other women solicit along the four roads surrounding Lumpini Park: Witthayu, Sarasin, Ratchadamri and Rama IV.
"There are other places in Bangkok where streetwalkers are working such as Sanam Luang, Hua Lampong railway station and Sukhumvit Road," Siriphon said.""
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps
I pass Lumpini a few times daily when in BKK and it is true that there is much FL action at night. A couple of things to consider though. The park is hugh and the Rama 4 side is probably a mile and a half long with not much action. Start at wireless road and go as far as you feel like walking but beware of LB's!
Thanks for the article. Will definitely mark my map and check out the area. Love to window shop.
See you all in November.
Skeet.
Good info from an article about a second generation SW:
""She and other women solicit along the four roads surrounding Lumpini Park: Witthayu, Sarasin, Ratchadamri and Rama IV.
"There are other places in Bangkok where streetwalkers are working such as Sanam Luang, Hua Lampong railway station and Sukhumvit Road," Siriphon said.""
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footsteps
Kumar Arun
10-04-11, 14:20
LOS has been beckoning for some time now.
Smash some records and some bank balance for 4 days in LOS from 14/10. Just booked President Solitaire with Jacuzzi.)
Arun
This 50 baht fee is weird. It is for no worth or service............
If you read the airport authority sign it days is not compulsory.......You enter the taxi and a sign says "must pay".
Guess what wins?
Many times I haven't paid the 50B fee because the driver never asked for it. I guess it is just a hit or miss.
. Did not have private parts shaved on that occasion, don't know if they do it. But most likely.Man, just the thought of something sharp near my private parts make me cringe.
Although I rather shave the honey's areas.
Shark
Man, just the thought of something sharp near my private parts make me cringe.
Although I rather shave the honey's areas.
SharkI used the Nana (hotel) MP for that and it went all ok, not a single bruise albeit if you think to what is happening "down there at the area of your jewels it might feel weird.
Ladies are very attentive and delicate.
On the price issue we earlier talked here a couple of weeks ago:
First time I was quoted, at the door. 400b. Handed this sum to the lady (not young but very doable, if something more would be in the menu, sporting a significant g-string visible from the jeans) , and voluntarily added a 100b tip: she was happy.
Second time I was not quoted any price when I mentioned pubic shaving and addressed to the barber chair in the main room.
I mentioned I needed a pubic shaving, not a pubLic shave and headed further inside with a laugh.
The lady was different, not in her youth too, more like a still decent looking grandma in her 50's, but nothing to make you have wet dreams. She performed the job well, maybe better than the other one, making me flip stomach down for better access to the rear area.
When it is time to pay she quotes 500. I mention last time (10 days before) was 400 but she politely insisted on 500 and a tip (100). When exiting I crossed the previous one, she greeted me with a smile, recognizing me. Definitely a different attitude, but, hey, we are there for a specific service and we know one doesn't get much at that MP anyhow.
I have seen a lot of massage places, apparently legit only but the ladies have a sexy attitude (not as in a clinic) and the menu includes waxing etc so the pubic shaving is performed in many other places, as long as they have a back room.
Still I would go only to a semi-legit place as I am nit using that as an excuse for more, so if one can go along with a lousy pil massage in a place as the goal is another one, grooming and shaving has to be done by someone who knows what she is doing!
Thanks a lot Guido88, that certainly clarified a few things.
Margaya.
Cowboy is loaded with pussy, however it is not a freelance set up. If you want the best quality try the Shark bar early before the prime is picked.
If you must have 'freelance' try Soi 33, there are girls aplenty on the street. Stop by Livingston's for a beer, pool and a fairly good stable of girls as well.
Bottom line is there is no shortage of girls in BKK. You will find them everywhere. Bargirl, massage, escort, freelance, turn them upside down and they all look like sisters.
IMHO.
Guido88
Thanks a lot for the info.
Walk from Asok station toward Nana on the right-hand side of the street. Go into the coffee shop in the basement of the Ruam Chit hotel from 11pm onwards.
Jed Wordsmith
10-05-11, 17:03
This would be the infamous Thermae Coffee Shop. Be warned though that most of the women there still tend to prefer Japanese or East Asian men. Haven't been there in a long time though so things might be a bit more relaxed now.
Walk from Asok station toward Nana on the right-hand side of the street. Go into the coffee shop in the basement of the Ruam Chit hotel from 11pm onwards.
Crocodilexp
10-05-11, 19:32
This 50 baht fee is weird. It is for no worth or service.
There is a taxi attendant filling a sort of meaningless form (hey, this is not buenos aires where taxi drivers rob you) , and click that's the reason for the fee.I'm under the impression that the taxi drivers need to pay that fee to the airport authority for queuing at the airport. If you pick up a taxi off-queue, that's a different matter, but as long as the queue clerk issues that paper, it seems unfair to the cabbie to avoid the 50b fee.
While it is true that crime in Thailand is low, arriving airline passengers are particularly vulnerable, and there actually was a case of a mad cabbie robbing and murdering passengers back in the Don Mueang days.
Good info from an article about a second generation SW:
http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/health/202984/following-in-mother-footstepsThanks for the article. It seems many of the girls prefer ST customers in a shabby brothel type hotel to the LT stay in a posh hotel with a farang.
Maybe most of us farang customers have a wrong picture of us in mind, the picture of a noble prince saving the little innocent princess for one night by bringing her to the Plaza Athenee or Grand Millenium. (Sorry, just wild psychological guessing!) Anyway I will always prefer that LT option which is almost impossible to afford in Europe or the US and always seems so easy when you are in Bangkok.
BTW has anyone but me seen that price winning documentary about working girls already (You cannot write the movie's name on this board since it's explicit language)? A part of it was filmed in a Massage Parlour in Ratchadipsek area. The name was probably Hi-Class? But somehow the documentary seemed a bit unreal like it was made up (especially the customers, they act so weird). Nevertheless the girls in the MP seemed to be OK with what they were doing (I wouldn't say they enjoyed it but it was kind of a normal job for them). The parts of the documentary that take place in Bangladesh and Mexico were much more frustrating.
You can see a trailer when you ad the explicit language term for working girl:
http://www.*****sglory.at/
Lover Boy #2
10-06-11, 05:28
This would be the infamous Thermae Coffee Shop. Be warned though that most of the women there still tend to prefer Japanese or East Asian men. Haven't been there in a long time though so things might be a bit more relaxed now.Yes, business is particularly bad. So now European persons are getting all the winks, smiles and cum-ons, once reserved for the polite Japanese visitor. I was here a few nights ago. As it was raining and I thought a good spot to get a 100thb beer, get out of the rain. And check out the current talent. Even the "Japanese only" line to the left as you enter. Wanted Loverboy's hard earned Thai baht. They were asking 1, 500. I didn't bargain, as I wasn't picking and didn't want to waste their time.
Yes, business is particularly bad. So now European persons are getting all the winks, smiles and cum-ons, once reserved for the polite Japanese visitor. I was here a few nights ago. As it was raining and I thought a good spot to get a 100thb beer, get out of the rain. And check out the current talent. Even the "Japanese only" line to the left as you enter. Wanted Loverboy's hard earned Thai baht. They were asking 1, 500. I didn't bargain, as I wasn't picking and didn't want to waste their time.Thanks for this information was new for me "Japanese line on the left". I was there 6 months agao and was more or less OK, now planing my next trip to Bangkok in November and hope to find some Non Pro, because this was my last experiences because the gilrs agree LT but not later than 7 am due to their jobs. Any another option / place near to this place for these Non Pro?
Actually better than usual.
Visited a few of the Saphan Kwai places. The first two, near the corner of soi 2, have been moving a bit upscale. No nudity, lots of customers coming in groups and having dinner (no farangs) , and not many girls dancing. The corner one is T-Ded 99 and the other one is Chat (used to be VDO). Big beer (+ ice, + bloody cold towel, etc) , comes to about 170 total. Some attitude if you don't want to have a girl foisted on you.
The next one down from T-Ded was almost deserted, with 2 girls dancing on one side of the place, and 2 way over on the other side. The vibe was a rather more raunchy than the first places, although the girls were a mixed bag. Stickers on the nipples.
The next one down after the food place had more customers and dancers, some of whom were naked, and not bad, and they brought me a girl I actually fancied to sit with me. After a beer I thought I'd give her a road test, and she very promptly told me the proper price, namely 1500. However then came the mamasan out of nowhere, and a head waiter dude, queuing for tips after I already tipped the waiter. Then when we get outside, there's a bunch of 5 motorcy guys who *all* want tips and aren't very pleasant about it (they didn't all get tips), and want to take us the short-time hotel. There is a perfectly good one around the corner, Suparb, about 150 a room. Their one turns out to be about 20m up the road from Suparb, maybe 2 minutes walk from the bar, and it's 350 a room. That nonsense was a bit of a mood killer already.
The performance in the room was perfunctory in the extreme, including that insufferable insistence on switching the main light off. Definitely worth about 300 baht. 1500 not so much. With tips and beer and sitting fee, it came to about 2400 in total, at which point I might as well have gone to Nana or a soapy. I have to add that her attitude was relatively good, for that area. At least, it wasn't any worse than I expected it to be, and she even managed some friendly responses. No English though.
It's possible to enjoy these places, but the odds are stacked against you, so you have to be in the right mood.
JohnnieBravo
10-07-11, 02:19
Hello, Everyone:
I asked this question in the Pattaya Forum and didn't get much response so I thought I'd ask here. I would be interested in hiring a responsible full time maid that would perform the common chores that one thinks of a maid doing but also providing some extra services.
In addition when I am in need, this can be a massage and sex as well. I was wondering if anyone on here has ever had that kind of an arrangement or know anyone who has? If so I was curious how much a month she was paid if she was expected to do the extras?
Thanks,
JohnnieB
Member #4351
10-07-11, 02:26
Here you go:
http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/2635358075.html
Hello, Everyone:
I asked this question in the Pattaya Forum and didn't get much response so I thought I'd ask here. I would be interested in hiring a responsible full time maid that would perform the common chores that one thinks of a maid doing but also providing some extra services.
In addition when I am in need, this can be a massage and sex as well. I was wondering if anyone on here has ever had that kind of an arrangement or know anyone who has? If so I was curious how much a month she was paid if she was expected to do the extras?
Thanks,
JohnnieB
Here you go:
http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/2635358075.htmlIt looks a bit out of the affordable if on a monthly basis.
Jed Wordsmith
10-07-11, 04:24
Hmm. Interesting for an occasional bit of fun but I don't think she'd fit what the OP was asking for. JohnnieBravo: might be better to ask around for a full time maid, interview a few likely-looking ones and if you see something you like mention that massage might be part of the duties. They are smart enough to figure out what that means, especially if you're a single farang. Depending on where you live, you can often advertise for a maid at some 7-11s (thought not many have those message boards any more) , outside the Villa on Sukhumvit 33 or by asking your building manager and security guards to spread the word.
Here you go:
http://bangkok.craigslist.co.th/cas/2635358075.html-
Originally Posted by JohnnieBravo
Hello, Everyone:
I asked this question in the Pattaya Forum and didn't get much response so I thought I'd ask here. I would be interested in hiring a responsible full time maid that would perform the common chores that one thinks of a maid doing but also providing some extra services.
In addition when I am in need, this can be a massage and sex as well. I was wondering if anyone on here has ever had that kind of an arrangement or know anyone who has? If so I was curious how much a month she was paid if she was expected to do the extras?
Thanks,
JohnnieB.
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Jed Wordsmith
10-07-11, 04:32
Yes it's true that if you use the official queue and the clerk issues the receipt you have to pay the 50bt. It *might* be safer than flagging down a cab at departure, but I doubt it. More importantly, it seems like far more of the cabs at the official 'queue' have rigged meters which inflate fares. At least that's been my experience the last 8-10 times I passed through, so now I flag cabs down at the departure level instead.
I'm under the impression that the taxi drivers need to pay that fee to the airport authority for queuing at the airport. If you pick up a taxi off-queue, that's a different matter, but as long as the queue clerk issues that paper, it seems unfair to the cabbie to avoid the 50b fee.
While it is true that crime in Thailand is low, arriving airline passengers are particularly vulnerable, and there actually was a case of a mad cabbie robbing and murdering passengers back in the Don Mueang days.
Dash Riprock
10-07-11, 04:36
Here's a quick FR from a trip to Pretty Relax Suthisarn a few days ago. Might not be the cup of tea a lot of guys on this board are looking for, but perhaps it could be a break from the ol' Eden / Annie's discussions that seem to permeate around here. About 200 meters off Ratchadaphisek Road, best accessible if you have a car (I have a car and driver here, company provided) as it's a bit far walking wise if you take the subway to the MRT Suthisarn station. The shop is roadside, you can Google PrettyRelax Spa to find it. 1,000 Baht damage. The only thing you get is an HJ and so so oil rub down, but I dare say the girls in general are far more attractive than what you'd see in the tourist areas, I'd say borderline motorshow / product model type quality. The girl didn't really hint at any more options being available (other than taking off her top and bottom, but no sex) , but I got the impression that multiple visits could open up more doors and possibly vagina. .
Anyway, the session got me in the mood just right that I headed over to Poseidon afterwards for a more traditional soapy rub, tug, and FS session.
Global Surfer
10-07-11, 18:29
Visited Bangkok a week ago.
Stayed close to the scene on Soi 6 I. E. Close to Nana Plaza.
Plenty of Russians (Uzbek) , Moroccons and Africans availabe in the street arround Soi Arab, corner with Sukumvit, in and out side Grace Hotel.
Most of the available from BHT 1000 to BHT 2000.
Sometimes they sit in the coffe shop, even in Subway after soin 7 and some times even in McDonald arround the corner of Soi Nana.
They may start from BHT 1500 to BHT 2000. Africans and Uzbeks may go for BHT 1000. A class Uzbek insisit on BHT 1500 to BHT 2000.
Moroccons (probably spoiled by Arabs) ask for BHT 2000+.
There is a new bar Bamboo on Soi Arab opposite Grace Hotel. Entry BHT 100, no free drink and cousine exclusively local. Price from BHT 1000 to BHT 1500.
Had cute tall one from Issan for BHT 1000 ST. Very cooperative but nothing exceptional.
More to follow
Evil Penivel
10-08-11, 03:38
Kiss is one of the Arab's bars. (Yes, I know he's Iranian but his nickname is "the Arab.") His bars on Soi Cowboy. Are usually bad news, and I mean really BAD news. Dean Barrett has warned about them here. The bars are Kiss, Sahara, Spice Girls, Deja Vu, Midnight and Rio. The Arab acquired Rawhide a few months ago and the old staff has moved to Long Gun, but I'm not sure what it has become under the Arab's rule.
Stickman has also written about the Arab's operations. But I have a hard time putting myself behind recommendations to boycott a business if I haven't had personal experience with it. So in July I went into Kiss on Soi Cowboy expecting a bad situation and that's what I got.
A San Miguel Light cost 180 baht, which is the most I can recall ever paying for a bottled beer in any go go or coyote bar in LOS. From the second I stepped in, there was extreme pressure to buy LDs, which went at a whopping 270 baht. Since I knew this would happen, I simply steeled myself and said "no" to the steady stream of dancers that asked for drinks.
Far worse were the two old hag mama-sans who also demanded (they didn't just ask, they demanded) drinks. I swear one minute didn't go by without someone asking or telling me to buy drinks.
At Kiss, there were two groups of dancers: coyotes and ordinary dancers, distinguished by different costumes. Apparently the dancers (at least some of them) can be barfined, the coyotees can't. The dancers (in bikinis) didn't look better or worse than the line-up in any other bar on Cowboy or Nana or in Pattaya, but the coyote line-up did indeed have a couple of good-looking girls. One of them started playing to me personally. That wasn't hard to do, since I was one of three customers in the bar at the time.
The young lady danced very well and had a seductive come-one from the stage. In any other bar, that would have been enough for me to buy her a drink. I know she's acting. That's her job. But she was acting well enough to get a drink. However, I didn't want to put one extra baht in the pocket of the Arab, so I called "chek bin." One of the mama-sans immediately began berating me with,"Why you no buy lady drink," but I kept my cool and just smiled. No point in arguing with her and I was out only 180 baht (I didn't leave a tip).
However, I thought the coyotee dancer deserved some reward, at least a token in recognition of her sexy demeanor, so I tossed her a miniature teddy bear as I walked out. That's when an already bad situation took a turn for the worse. The two old hags demanded I also give them bears. I was tempted to answer,"I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls if you were dying of thirst," but again I smiled and just said I didn't have any more (which was true).
This final encounter with the wicked witch of Soi Cowboy took place while I was walking out of Kiss and I kept moving the whole time. But just outside of Kiss, the mama-san blocked my forward progress. Immediately the door staff closed ranks behind her. She demanded very forcibly that I give her something. Push had come to shove, at least verbally.
I knew I couldn't get past the mama-san and the slightest sign of aggression would have been met with a beat-down from the bouncers. I maintained my smile and answered that I nothing to give her. She didn't step aside and I wondered how long she intended to hold me hostage. Some intensive conversation took place between the bouncers and the mama-san and I imagined they were asking her what I had done and if I should get a clobbering. Perhaps they thought a stalemate just outside the entrance was a pretty silly situation.
I then decided to get creative. A group of farang were passing by in the middle of the soi. I waved and called out to them,"Wait for me, I'll be with you in a second." They didn't know me from Adam, but they responded to the shout-out and wave by stopping. The mama-san and door staff turned to see what was happening and at that point, I slipped past them into the soi. I was praying to all gods known and unknown that I wouldn't get a punch to the back of my head. Even as I moved into the flow of the pedestrian traffic, I half expected to hear running feet behind me.
But nothing happened. The friendly but startled farangs to which I had called didn't speak much English and were even more confused when I told them,"Sorry, I mistook you for a cavalry detachment." I was very lucky they passed by at just that second.
So if you're considering a visit to one of the Arab's bars, remember you're not in Kansas anymore, Toto. A house isn't going to drop on one of the Arab's wicked witches and I doubt even a bucket of carbolic acid would have an effect on their reptile hides.
Bottom line: avoid the Arab's bars. Nothing good can happen there.
Evil
Member #4698
10-08-11, 05:33
Great reporting E. P. Sounds like you almost deserved hazard pay while checking out Kiss Bar, but I think you handled the situation well. I generally don't like to endorse the concept of a boycott, but I have to admit I wouldn't mind if this guy lost enough money to throw in the towel and sell his bars to someone with a more accommodating business plan.
I dropped by Sahara one time when I was last on Cowboy. It was very early in the evening and I was just trying to kill 30 minutes before meeting up with a cute girl from Baccara that I had made a date with the previous evening. I was curious about Sahara bar's approach and the whole coyote dancer thing. It was very early and I was the only guy in the bar so I did not get much insight. The bar was playing decent rock – a plus. I bought a beer and a couple of the girls on stage gave me the look. One not so cute girl sat down next to me and immediately started hitting me up for a drink. I was not interested in her so I was not buying her anything, but I remained cordial and aloof as I drank my beer. My main interest was trying to see if I could tell the difference between the regular bar girls and the Coyotes and except for the costume, I could not see much of a difference. After about 20 minutes, it was time to go and I went across the street to find my little go go girl. I was still the only customer in Sahara when I left. No one gave me a hard time, the music was good, and the girls were on the whole, pretty average. The bottom line for me was I just don't feel like spending my money in a bar where a certain percentage of girls are not available for takeout. This is Soi Cowboy, Bangkok not Des Moines, Iowa.
What a difference across the street in Baccara. B was already jumping (8:30pm) with a ton of girls on stage and lots of customers. Some knock it, but I like Baccara. Anyway, I spotted the girl I had planned to meet. She was at a table with some Korean guy who had bought her a drink. A waitress who knew me guided me over to a booth to the right of the stage. I ordered a beer and started to check out the girls on stage. I glanced over to the table where my go go girl and the Korean guy were sitting. She smiled at me. A few minutes later the Korean got up, paid his bill and left the bar alone. Then my little girl came over to my table and the rest of the night was very good.
Question: Do these Coyote bars: Kiss, Sahara, Spice Girls, Deja Vu, Midnight and Rio ever get a lot of customers or is it always slow over there? I am going to make a note of that when I get back to Cowboy in February.
Mealticket
10-08-11, 14:11
Bottom line: avoid the Arab's bars. Nothing good can happen there.
EvilWell said.
Evil Penivel
10-08-11, 20:54
Question: Do these Coyote bars: Kiss, Sahara, Spice Girls, Deja Vu, Midnight and Rio ever get a lot of customers or is it always slow over there? I am going to make a note of that when I get back to Cowboy in February.The night I was there, I saw only two other customers in Kiss. Of course, I was there only 10 minutes. But I've never read any reports that indicate the Arab's bars have more than a handful of customers. By contrast, I've seen Tilac and Baccara so full with customers you couldn't find a seat.
Evil
I love how you free market capitalists think. LOL.
If lots of girls are getting 2k its not VERY OVERpriced is it. Be happy the girls arent factoring inflation, over the past 7 years the prices have remained quite constant while the price of rice has gone up quite a bit.When you walk down sukhumvit and ask how much that t-shirt is from the vendor and he says 500b, do you you pay 500b? Of course not! The t-shirt is only worth about 150b maybe less. You haggle down the price to something that is more reasonable. Or do you get into a parked taxi outside of a hotel who quotes you some inflated price? Of course not, you wave down a moving taxi who turns the meter on.
Many guys don't understand that the Nana Cowboy scene is geared mainly to tourists who no nothing about pricing. If you've scene the scope of the sex industry in LOS all the way from cheap brothels to high end massage parlors, you'd understand that the quality that is found in Nana and Cowboy is overpriced at 2k for one pop / one hour plus a barfine. Most of the same quality of girls can be found in establishments geared mainly to thais at a fraction of that price. Most, if not all, thais wouldn't pay 2k ST for the same quality that tourists pay in Nana or cowboy. Thais understand that most tourists are ignorant and they exploit it. It's the Thai way!
Germany is sex paradise. You.
There are good Thai girls in Germany too.Agreed! Lots of them!
HotShaneHot
10-09-11, 04:36
Hi got this nice lady from the beer garden s / t 1, 500
When you walk down sukhumvit and ask how much that t-shirt is from the vendor and he says 500b, do you you pay 500b? Of course not! The t-shirt is only worth about 150b maybe less. You haggle down the price to something that is more reasonable. Or do you get into a parked taxi outside of a hotel who quotes you some inflated price? Of course not, you wave down a moving taxi who turns the meter on.
Many guys don't understand that the Nana Cowboy scene is geared mainly to tourists who no nothing about pricing. If you've scene the scope of the sex industry in LOS all the way from cheap brothels to high end massage parlors, you'd understand that the quality that is found in Nana and Cowboy is overpriced at 2k for one pop / one hour plus a barfine. Most of the same quality of girls can be found in establishments geared mainly to thais at a fraction of that price. Most, if not all, thais wouldn't pay 2k ST for the same quality that tourists pay in Nana or cowboy. Thais understand that most tourists are ignorant and they exploit it. It's the Thai way!So true so true. Most Thais would not go near a girl that had Soi Cowboy type looks. The longer I am here the less attractive I find them as well. 2000 plus barfine plus drinks, that would get you a VERY nice soapy gal that would be attractive.
I love how you free market capitalists think. LOL.
If lots of girls are getting 2k its not VERY OVERpriced is it. Be happy the girls arent factoring inflation, over the past 7 years the prices have remained quite constant while the price of rice has gone up quite a bit.? The price have soared over the last 7 years. 7 years ago any gal in Cowboy or Nana would have gone for 1k short and 1. 5 k long.
JerseyShoreSun
10-09-11, 06:43
The night I was there, I saw only two other customers in Kiss. Of course, I was there only 10 minutes. But I've never read any reports that indicate the Arab's bars have more than a handful of customers. By contrast, I've seen Tilac and Baccara so full with customers you couldn't find a seat.
EvilMaybe that's why they have to resort to the tactics that NB refered to in his post. I for sure will be staying far away from these my next trip to BKK. Thanks NB for the headsup!
HotShaneHot
10-09-11, 06:48
Beer garden later that night.
When you walk down sukhumvit and ask how much that t-shirt is from the vendor and he says 500b, do you you pay 500b? Of course not! The t-shirt is only worth about 150b maybe less. You haggle down the price to something that is more reasonable. Or do you get into a parked taxi outside of a hotel who quotes you some inflated price? Of course not, you wave down a moving taxi who turns the meter on.
Many guys don't understand that the Nana Cowboy scene is geared mainly to tourists who no nothing about pricing. If you've scene the scope of the sex industry in LOS all the way from cheap brothels to high end massage parlors, you'd understand that the quality that is found in Nana and Cowboy is overpriced at 2k for one pop / one hour plus a barfine. Most of the same quality of girls can be found in establishments geared mainly to thais at a fraction of that price. Most, if not all, thais wouldn't pay 2k ST for the same quality that tourists pay in Nana or cowboy. Thais understand that most tourists are ignorant and they exploit it. It's the Thai way!Hello, Amjeck, agree with you and I am one of these "tourist" paying these prices in Nana even if I know the "taxis" and "T-shirt" prices there. The reason is mainly my lack of time and take "quick decisions" and girls there in Nana or around. Thermae cafe seems to be more for Non Pro or girls with a job and looking for some extra money (maybe I am wrong?) ; therefore, it would be nice your advices for these places you know where I can get more "value" for my mney. Thans in advancnon for your suggestions with locations and prices of these places non over priced you ay know.
HotShaneHot
10-09-11, 07:06
From the Beer Garden soi 7 Bangkok
HotShaneHot
10-09-11, 07:26
Next day at the beer garden soi 7 Bangkok.
Got this lady at about 11:00 am.
I can not recommend her.
Soon as we back to the room it was down from 2 pops to 1.
And more thai bart.
I just pay her so she can leave.
There are good Thai girls in Germany too.
Agreed! Lots of them!Where to find them? Please report in the Germany section!
Well, there have been some exceptional Thai beauties in Berlin 2-3 years ago, but it seems they are all gone now.
GentleBoner
10-09-11, 13:17
Thermae cafe seems to be more for Non Pro or girls with a job and looking for some extra money (maybe I am wrong?)You think normal non-pro thai girls hang out in Thermae? LOL
So true so true. Most Thais would not go near a girl that had Soi Cowboy type looks. The longer I am here the less attractive I find them as well. 2000 plus barfine plus drinks, that would get you a VERY nice soapy gal that would be attractive.Very true. I have not been with a gogo girl for ages now.
Freelancers = Yes.
Massage girls = Yes.
Soapie = Yes.
Gogo girls = No. Not very attractive, overpriced and often service levels are not that good.
You think normal non-pro thai girls hang out in Thermae? LOLBeen going to Tmae for 12 years and the answer is yes, there are girls that go a few days a month to supplement their incomes.
I fly in Thur this week. Just heard on the radio about the flooding.
Should I bring my life jacket?
GentleBoner
10-10-11, 05:50
Been going to Tmae for 12 years and the answer is yes, there are girls that go a few days a month to supplement their incomes.Point is that if she's going to Thermae, she's a pro.
Fast Eddie 48
10-10-11, 06:54
Been going to Tmae for 12 years and the answer is yes, there are girls that go a few days a month to supplement their incomes.To Goatscrot,
If they take money for sex that is pro it don't matter they do it every day or just once a month is still P4P in my book.
Fast Eddie 48
I fly in Thur this week. Just heard on the radio about the flooding.
Should I bring my life jacket?Don't need a lifejacket but an umbrella would be handy.
Billy Jeans
10-10-11, 10:24
i have been here for ten days and have covered them all. [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) left a lot to be desired, ez good but only two girls on at 12 noon, eden club a complete rip off, and far from expectation (maybe the place has degenerated since new big boss took over a few years ago) , a body massage lady in soi11 very good value and prepared to come to star hotel short time for 1500baht. the best bet for me was a girl i met in biergarten who brought her friend along to short term hotel for 1500 baht all up. a bit wham bam and thank you mam but she floated my boat.
tourists staying away because of flooding and qantas strike but otherwise still an exciting city and pussy galore.
bj
To Goatscrot,
If they take money for sex that is pro it don't matter they do it every day or just once a month is still P4P in my book.
Fast Eddie 48Guess I make a distinction between semi-pros and pros. The pros are the gals that are there EVERY night. It is their only job. The semi-pros are those gals that have regular jobs that don't pay them enough and they swing by Tmae a few times a month to supplement the income. They tend to be choosier with who they go with. Once had a gal that drove me to the ST hotel in her car. She worked for Citi, now works for a Japanese Co.
Point is that if she's going to Thermae, she's a pro.A friend once said," All women are wh(*&s and all men are consumers." I agree 100.
Funny take on this by another friend was,"All women are wh(*&s, except my mother." I still laugh when I think about him saying that.
GS
Your description of thermae leaves a lot to be desired.
Don't worry if you are paying 2000 short time sir. Its an ok rate.
If you want value be prepared to have fun with old ugly girls.Not really, plenty of talent and value with young and sexy girls as well. Just depends on which head you listen to.
Hello, Amjeck, agree with you and I am one of these "tourist" paying these prices in Nana even if I know the "taxis" and "T-shirt" prices there. The reason is mainly my lack of time and take "quick decisions" and girls there in Nana or around. Thermae cafe seems to be more for Non Pro or girls with a job and looking for some extra money (maybe I am wrong?) ; therefore, it would be nice your advices for these places you know where I can get more "value" for my mney. Thans in advancnon for your suggestions with locations and prices of these places non over priced you ay know.The truth of the matter is that most girls go where they go to work due to their friend working there. I almost never meet a girl who chose to work in Nana or Cowboy or Thermae or wherever due to the money being better. Some of the freelancers, on the other hand, used to work gogos or beer bars and decided they liked the freedom of going solo. If you are up for forking out 2000 baht at Nana than so be it, join the crowds. Thermae girls tend to quote the same price these days, especially in that most of them are going with Japanese for those prices. However. 1500 is totally viable and I have pulled several for 1000 if it is getting late or biz is slow. Around 2, you shouldn't be paying more than 1000 anywhere, it is just too damn late, although there is the crowd that goes to Insomnia and Climax and try to get more.
I love how you free market capitalists think. LOL.
If lots of girls are getting 2k its not VERY OVERpriced is it. Be happy the girls arent factoring inflation, over the past 7 years the prices have remained quite constant while the price of rice has gone up quite a bit.Outrageously overpriced. 7 years ago, it was 43 baht to the dollar and the girls were going ST for 1000 without negotiating. That means it has gone from $23 to $66, just about 300. I guess when one lives here it is a whole different ballgame. If they want 2000 in a gogo bar, I get a number and make an appointment outside of hours. And believe me they don't charge those prices then.
Fast Eddie 48
10-11-11, 05:53
A friend once said," All women are wh (*s and all men are consumers." I agree 100.
Funny take on this by another friend was,"All women are wh (*s, except my mother." I still laugh when I think about him saying that.
GSTo GS.
There are some pro at Thermae that only go with Japanese if some say no to you that don't mean they are not Pro, some of the hot one there don't even look at you very picky pro, I don't see any other reason for regular girl go to Thermae.
Fast Eddie 48
Ill try this.
All thai girls are not created equal. A 2ooo baht girl might be way underpriced yet one who charges 500 baht may be overpriced.
Re baht value to foreign currency value. Not a legit argument. LOL. Try explaining to issan noi why you prefer to pay them them in your home currency.That is true. That is why I tell them that at 30 baht for a plate of rice and two toppings, ST for 1000 baht is actually 30 days worth of lunch, and is actually a heck of a lot of cash.
Orange Crust
10-11-11, 20:34
point is that if she's going to thermae, she's a pro.damn, i love the place. ended up getting regular impulsive service from there after getting their mobile numbers. i always got quoted 2, 000 st and often lt was not in the offering (some said studying other say work so lt not possible. never paid more than 1500 st though. i always said no to the original 2000 quote and just hung out. would ask again 30 minutes later and almost always said yes. it was just enough time to buy myself another rounds.
there is some "organization" there as there tended to be a couple girls who demanded the highest price. after watching this paricular hot girl, i notices other girls seemed to checkin with her. maybe they were all friends but i had a sense she was a hub for some girls. she was thin, probably 25-30, smoking hot thai with very light complexion. i would say past model type. never nailed her though her price was always high and never dropped. actually, her friends never dripped their prices either so i never got to ask those girls if they were all running together.
anyways, i met a uni student there, looked a little out of place. offered her 1000 st she countered 2000. not even close. i tried 1500 and she said nope. rechecked her 30 minutes later and she took 1500 for st. 2 pops and only about 75 minutes though. got her mobile but whenever i called she said she was studying. saw her again at thermae and she remembered me but insisted on 2000st. checked her again after 30 minutes and she said ok.
my other memoriable girl was a "d cup" girl. same price bullshit but got her number and she was ony speed dial. any time i called, she be at my apartment within 30 minutes and never asked for more than the 1500. only 1 pop with her but lots of tittie playtime before the act, so i was happy.
maybe i am funnier after 30 minutes of additional boozing. either way, extra drinks are cheaper there.
Asia Butterfly
10-11-11, 21:24
Hello, All.
I am actually on my way back to LOS (Nana) and all the news highlights is showing serious flooding and evacuation. Is this true? Please help. Is it empty at Nana right now.
Thanks.
A. B
I just spent a couple of days in Bangkok. The first thing I must say about Bangkok, as a NYer, is that cabs are cheap. A cab from the airport to Bangkok is $10-$12. A cab from NYC to JFK is 65-75. They seem like a similar distance. I stayed at the Westin Sukhumvit. There is a lot of fun to be had in Bangkok. I am sure that I made a bunch of Rookie mistakes, similar to my initial trips to HK.
For some afternoon fun I went to Annie's. I saw JJ. She had a great attitude. We started with a bath. She cleaned me a little and did this thing were she grabs the sides and gives me a nude lapdance. Then a BJ. I made her stop so I can enjoy the full time. We dried off, and then she gave me a dry massage, sex and I finished in her mouth. Overall a great time.
My second stop for fun, was a nightime trip to Tilac. I know this is going to sound mean, but the women who work there who arent for sale, the ones that serve you a drink and give you a seat, are scary looking. Back on point, I watched the women dancing and relaxed for while. Smiled at a few ladies and discouraged a few. One who came over to me was Nampu. She was pretty, although, she did have a need for some braces. She was very touchy and sweet and I was convinced after a drink and hanging for a while to barfine her. The mistake I made was not negotiating the fun first. She took the barfine money and came back dressed like a typical thai girl. I liked that. In HK, sometimes I feel like everyone is staring at the ladies when you bring them back. I assume everyone knows in Bangkok when a white guy and a Thai girl walk in, but it makes me feel better. We went back to the room and had a shower. We negotiated an amount for long time. I know I paid more then I should, but you love and learn. If I caused inflation, I apologize to everyone. I did better next time. ANyhow, we had 2 rounds of fun and then one more in the late morning. Yes I paid too much, but I got real value. I usually play in London. So, what I pay for 1 hour in London, gets me at least 3 nights of fun I Bangkok.
The next night I went baccara, top floor with the topless dancers. I don't remember her name, but I was seduced by a pretty lady from Isaan. We negotiated a short term price. We spent about 90minutes from when we entered my room. Not too bad. She was fun and pretty. One thing was when she was grinding on me naked part of me got in her with a condom. She was pushing further in and I popped out and said that the condoms were in a drawer. We then screwed and came on her face. It was fund.
The last activity I had was a pickup of a very pretty lad at Barsu. She was pretty and we just made out for an hour on and off in in the bar after I bought her a drink. We came up with a price for the night until I had a to check out at 3pm the next day. We did oral and regular sex on and off all night. From the second our clothes came off, we were naked until after we showered after noon. She left after a final role at around 1:30. Wow. She was so into it, man it was good.
So, thats my trip. It was a short stop off on my to HK for work. FUN FUN FUN!
Hello, All.
I am actually on my way back to LOS (Nana) and all the news highlights is showing serious flooding and evacuation. Is this true? Please help. Is it empty at Nana right now.
Thanks.
A. BCan you possibly give up to date ground level news on the situation.
Thanks
Your description of thermae leaves a lot to be desired.
Don't worry if you are paying 2000 short time sir. Its an ok rate.
If you want value be prepared to have fun with old ugly girls.So not true. I have gotten many quality girls for 1K.
So not true. I have gotten many quality girls for 1K.And now during low season MOST of the Tmae gals will go for 1. 5k.
That is true. That is why I tell them that at 30 baht for a plate of rice and two toppings, ST for 1000 baht is actually 30 days worth of lunch, and is actually a heck of a lot of cash.You're well behind the times, IMHO. It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water. Your supermarket shopping trolley rarely comes to less than 1000 Baht unless you stick to cheap Fruit and Vegs.
1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.
If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.
Look a decent 2 hour sex session in my country would cost be a week's rent on a very nice house. A week's rent on a very nice house in Bangkok will cost a lot more than 1K. Okay sex should be cheaper by a bigger ratio due to the very high supply of girls wanting to be fucked for money.
5 years ago, a pretty soapy M. P. Girl was happy enough to make just 1K for each 2 hr. Customer, but not anymore.
I sometimes see Thai school kids aged maybe 12, with iPads, these days. Obviously from a well off family. Many Thais on the train have iPhones. These things are not much cheaper in Thailand than in a western country. Thai working girls may not be able to afford iPhones, but I bet they want a pretty flash one, just the same.
Can you possibly give up to date ground level news on the situation.Right now no flood problem for Nana, Cowboy, Soi 33.
High tide of the river (s) , canals to be expected for 16/17/18 October (Sunday to Tuesday).
Giotto
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I've been coming regularly to Thailand for the past 10 years for work. I have done all the usuals and in general had a great time. Loads of fun and hot sex. For the past year I tried the internet thing. Hooking up with non-pros. And it is possible to get plenty of free sex. I met this girl in June that is up for everything. Cute and sexy. But a bit plump. But sex is great and no does not exist in her vocabulary. No money involved. She even buys me small gifts when we meet. I have only been paying for drinks in bars when we go out together to pick up girls for threesomes and lesbian action. This girl is really a performer!
I am in BKK now and today I have two dates with girls I met online that agreed to sex and no money. Just fun.
Some say why bother plenty of girls around. That is true. However, I like warming up at home preparing for my next trip and setting up meetings with girls. Many of them are also very willing to do nasty things on webcam. It is all fun. All enjoy.
ElHombreContento
10-12-11, 16:38
Hi,
I will be landing this Saturday, October 15 into Bangkok. Want to know how bad is the rain, is there any floods? I am planning in staying in Phachara Suites in Sukhumvit Road. Is this area flooded or is everything ok?
Thank you in advance for your prompt response.
El Hombre Contento
It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water.Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?
1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. All they need to do is 5 quick fucks (5 hours of work) and they already make more than their fathers who slaves over the farm (300 hours / month).
If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly, far more than their worth on a Thai level! Just because they expect to make a lot doesn't mean we as mongers should give in to their high demanding prices. Unfortunatley, most guys think with their heart and not their heads.
You're well behind the times, IMHO. It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water. Your supermarket shopping trolley rarely comes to less than 1000 Baht unless you stick to cheap Fruit and Vegs.
1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.
If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.
Look a decent 2 hour sex session in my country would cost be a week's rent on a very nice house. A week's rent on a very nice house in Bangkok will cost a lot more than 1K. Okay sex should be cheaper by a bigger ratio due to the very high supply of girls wanting to be fucked for money.
5 years ago, a pretty soapy M. P. Girl was happy enough to make just 1K for each 2 hr. Customer, but not anymore.
I sometimes see Thai school kids aged maybe 12, with iPads, these days. Obviously from a well off family. Many Thais on the train have iPhones. These things are not much cheaper in Thailand than in a western country. Thai working girls may not be able to afford iPhones, but I bet they want a pretty flash one, just the same.1000 Baht for an hours work is FAR more money than 95% of the people in this country make.
Soapy and oily prices have not increased in the least over the last 12 years, with the exception of the 100 baht "tax" that was added to soapies in I think 03, yet the GOGO price has increased over 100.
The only thing that matters is the local economy, not the costs back home.
Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?
1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. All they need to do is 5 quick fucks (5 hours of work) and they already make more than their fathers who slaves over the farm (300 hours / month).
Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly, far more than their worth on a Thai level! Just because they expect to make a lot doesn't mean we as mongers should give in to their high demanding prices. Unfortunatley, most guys think with their heart and not their heads.Very well stated!
[QUOTE=Jupiter; 1205596]I've been coming regularly to Thailand for the past 10 years for work. I have done all the usuals and in general had a great time. Loads of fun and hot sex. For the past year I tried the internet thing. Hooking up with non-pros. And it is possible to get plenty of free sex. I met this girl in June that is up for everything. Cute and sexy. But a bit plump. But sex is great and no does not exist in her vocabulary. No money involved. She even buys me small gifts when we meet. I have only been paying for drinks in bars when we go out together to pick up girls for threesomes and lesbian action. This girl is really a performer!
Great, enjoy while sun shines, by the way what sites?
Ciao!
Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?LOL.
A girl might not be a luxury item at all. That's why she must be cheap. Right?
Bankers? You mean those guys from Wall Street. Yep, they are quite f* right now, no more 500 USD lunch, except they were shorting the markets during the past few weeks.
Sorry, I find this discussion strange. It "does not matter what we pay in our home countries", "it matters what the average income is in this country". And when I came to Bangkok 12 years ago the prices were quite similar to where they are today. A bit more expensive today in the Gogo's. But who goes there and expects real service?. Oh, I forgot, those specialists, who know (and complain about the prices).
BTW, Goatsrot, are you aware that the "local economy" was quite strong in the past few years? Unemployment low, difficult for the bars to get girls for the business? Salaries / wages rising?
I for myself enjoy the luxury items (several cups of coffee every day) and pay the prices (coffee is really expensive here). I don't really care how much it is. If it is fun, why should I care? I even don't want it to be cheap, that keeps it reserved for me, and I even pay a bit more then. That's luxury, right? Wow, I am a real asshole. I know! I really enjoy being an asshole. Better than being a Cheap Charlie!
For all those who cannot afford Thailand any more. Singapore and Hongkong should be an option. It's all much cheaper there. 250/300 all night (ok, it's SGD) or 1500/2000 all night (HKD). But this currency exchange problems are all the fault of this damned Wall Street Bankers (drinking too much coffee). They destroy all reasonable currency exchange rates! The locals here in Thailand are really NOT responsible for that.
Let's talk about the impact of the current flood on the prices, guys. I think I pay a little more in the next few days. 3000 all night, ok? Will help all those poor farmer families, who cannot grow rice right now. They basically do what they always do (NOTHING). But I think I can help them a bit. I think that's the right thing to do. But - we should not talk about that. Cheap is good!
BTW, the girls really like me (I am so handsome!). I overpay, constantly. Sorry for that!
Giotto
Crocodilexp
10-12-11, 22:27
If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.
Income disparity in Thailand is huge. Most prositutes who serve Farang are usually barely literate, and people in their class either live at subsistence level as farmers, or make 6-8k/month as maids, food vendors or laborers. A clean-cut 7-11 girl (a step up from most Isan freelancers/bargirls) , makes 200 baht/day (soon to be 300).
If these same Isan hookers served Thai guys in Bangkok (at the low end at Yaowarat or Atsadang, since that's what they'd get with their generally flat looks) , they would be paid no more than a 300-500 ST rate.
Farang pay more, and usually we do get more in terms of service. But we don't need to overpay. 1000 baht is more than enough for a quick romp in Bangkok. For 1h of work, that is *triple* of what the nice 7-11 girl gets in a day, and the hooker still has a chance to do another punter or two. In Pattaya, most (80%) of freelancers are still OK with 500 baht for ST, although they're increasingly going for 700, and their costs are *not* lower.
1500 would be OK for a middle-class girl (that maybe got close to a university, or looks decent, raising their earning potential to 10k / mo) and a traditional. 2-3 hour ST (which is increasingly becoming a thing of the past).
Guys who agree to inflated prices get neither respect nor better service from the girls. It's one thing to leave a generous and well-deserved tip after a great session (by all means, encourage good behavior and be a decent human being!), but quite another to accept a higher-than-going-rate price upfront.
Mr Enternational
10-13-11, 00:56
1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly,You are gd right 1000 baht is a lot of money. I look at it like this. My rent is 4500 / month. If a girl is looking to make 50K+ (which I seriously doubt, but Giotto could tell us better than anyone else) like you said and her rent is somewhat similar to mine then she will come out with 10X that of her rent. How many people in western countries can say they are earning 10X their rent? And yes I eat at the electronics mall all of the time for 40 baht / plate, although I usually buy 2 plates.
LOL.
A girl might not be a luxury item at all. That's why she must be cheap. Right?
Bankers? You mean those guys from Wall Street. Yep, they are quite f* right now, no more 500 USD lunch, except they were shorting the markets during the past few weeks.
Sorry, I find this discussion strange. It "does not matter what we pay in our home countries","it matters what the average income is in this country". And when I came to Bangkok 12 years ago the prices were quite similar to where they are today. A bit more expensive today in the Gogo's. But who goes there and expects real service. Oh, I forgot, those specialists, who know (and complain about the prices).
BTW, Goatsrot, are you aware that the "local economy" was quite strong in the past few years? Unemployment low, difficult for the bars to get girls for the business? Salaries / wages rising?
I for myself enjoy the luxury items (several cups of coffee every day) and pay the prices (coffee is really expensive here). I don't really care how much it is. If it is fun, why should I care? I even don't want it to be cheap, that keeps it reserved for me, and I even pay a bit more then. That's luxury, right? Wow, I am a real asshole. I know! I really enjoy being an asshole. Better than being a Cheap Charlie!
For all those who cannot afford Thailand any more. Singapore and Hongkong should be an option. It's all much cheaper there. 250/300 all night (ok, it's SGD) or 1500/2000 all night (HKD). But this currency exchange problems are all the fault of this damned Wall Street Bankers (drinking too much coffee). They destroy all reasonable currency exchange rates! The locals here in Thailand are really NOT responsible for that.
Let's talk about the impact of the current flood on the prices, guys. I think I pay a little more in the next few days. 3000 all night, ok? Will help all those poor farmer families, who cannot grow rice right now. They basically do what they always do (NOTHING). But I think I can help them a bit. I think that's the right thing to do. But. We should not talk about that. Cheap is good!
BTW, the girls really like me (I am so handsome!). I overpay, constantly. Sorry for that!
GiottoGiotto, I am well aware of the local economy having run a business with quite a few employees over the last 10 years. Unemployment is low but most folks still make very little and most businesses carry way more employees than they need due to poor productivity per employee, but that is how Thailand does it, and hats off to them, it seems to work.
Prices similar? When I first came to BKK over 12 years ago a beer was 80 baht in a gogo. Bar fines on Cowboy were 400 baht, One did not even need to discuss 1k LT with girls. I would say those prices (with the exception of the bar fine) are up over 100. I would call that more than a "bit more expensive." A Hen in 7-11 was about 25 baht when I came to BKK, now 47. Not that I drink the swill, but it is a good indicator of the inflation rate here. How many Thais with degrees do you know that are making over 40k baht a month? Folks still start at less than 15k out of Uni. Most near 10.
As I stated in a previous post. Oilies and Soapies have been consistent in their pricing, gogos have not. You pay WAY more than you used to for WAY less when it comes to service. So we agree on that point.
I would say that paying too much has far more effect on attitudes than it does anything else. It brings FAR less fun. Give an uneducated farmer's daughter the money a Dr makes and all of the sudden her "s*t don't stink" so to speak.
Income disparity in Thailand is huge. Most prositutes who serve Farang are usually barely literate, and people in their class either live at subsistence level as farmers, or make 6-8k / month as maids, food vendors or laborers. A clean-cut 7-11 girl (a step up from most Isan freelancers / bargirls) , makes 200 baht / day (soon to be 300).
If these same Isan hookers served Thai guys in Bangkok (at the low end at Yaowarat or Atsadang, since that's what they'd get with their generally flat looks) , they would be paid no more than a 300-500 ST rate.
Farang pay more, and usually we do get more in terms of service. But we don't need to overpay. 1000 baht is more than enough for a quick romp in Bangkok. For 1h of work, that is *triple* of what the nice 7-11 girl gets in a day, and the hooker still has a chance to do another punter or two. In Pattaya, most (80%) of freelancers are still OK with 500 baht for ST, although they're increasingly going for 700, and their costs are *not* lower.
1500 would be OK for a middle-class girl (that maybe got close to a university, or looks decent, raising their earning potential to 10k / mo) and a traditional. 2-3 hour ST (which is increasingly becoming a thing of the past).
Guys who agree to inflated prices get neither respect nor better service from the girls. It's one thing to leave a generous and well-deserved tip after a great session (by all means, encourage good behavior and be a decent human being!) , but quite another to accept a higher-than-going-rate price upfront.You are correct. Girls do not respect guys who overpay. Quite the opposite. They look upon them as fools and subsequently they begin to look at all as fools. I guess that most probably are.
One point about Thai men though. To say they are all cheap is not true. Just head out to The Piano or one of many Hostess Bars or Karaokes. They spend quite a bit of money on gals and sometimes get very little in return, but they are going with far better looking gals than can be had in Cowboy or Nana.
You are correct. Girls do not respect guys who overpay. Quite the opposite. They look upon them as fools and subsequently they begin to look at all as fools. I guess that most probably are.Overpay? Thai working girls "love" guys that overpay. They are in the game for money, and the more money the better. Once the money is in their hands, the next thought is som tum!
Respect? That's funny. You think they respect a guy that wants to give them 500 baht for a fcuk. Think again. You're a "hia" in their eyes.
Fools? Yes, there is nothing more foolish than a man who spends money while thinking with his dick! I know because I do it all the time. ;)
I second a bit Giotto.
If I can afford it I am generous: bring in a little gift, extend the LD to another 1 or 2 ladies chatting around even if I have one, give a tip (not a fortune) as a gesture, even to those workers not giving you sexual services, such as the bar waitress, treat them like human being.
I paid a girl 5000b. For a 3 day / night and she was happy, I paid her friend 3k for a night. Surely they speak to each other. But I do not see signs of "anger" in their faces. I play the butterfly not only for a variety but to spread my expenditures with more girls at the bar. So more can benefit of my fun money.
Some girls struggle to put together many customers in a month some adds up one after the other.
But I do not overpay as a fool as I hate being cheated.
I don't think I appear as the stupid farang if I offer LD to a couple of girls with no second meaning.
I know they get a little share from it, so why not? I am often the first one to order a LD to the girl sitting with me, but I reject those begging for it. I don't play their strategy.
Talking about Giotto's LL, it is not a cheap establishment, but gives what you pay for in a friendly atmosphere and environment. So why not?
Am I overspending in paying the LL BF? It does not come for cheap, but I know cheap and loud charlies are automatically excluded by this. Surely Giotto should review it, but he risks to have a bar empty of girls at 10pm and he can't afford that.
If I run a bar I would use the same strategy. .
Make it exclusive, make it desirable.
Needless to' say girls can't be' starfishes then!
Ultimately and with no offence to' anybody: if you can afford it, go for it and enjoy it!
Satisfaction is also in the (upper) head!
Overpay? Thai working girls "love" guys that overpay. They are in the game for money, and the more money the better. Once the money is in their hands, the next thought is som tum!
Respect? That's funny. You think they respect a guy that wants to give them 500 baht for a fcuk. Think again. You're a "hia" in their eyes.
Fools? Yes, there is nothing more foolish than a man who spends money while thinking with his dick! I know because I do it all the time. .First of all, I am an oily guy. Set price. 1 1/2 hrs 2100k. Difference is I know what level of service I am going to get. Girls are polite and most have a well developed skill set.
GoGos are an unknown quantity and to pay 2k to a gal who is going to want to run off after a quick screw is nuts.
And yes, when you look at the way most WGs in GoGo treat their "customers" it is with very little respect. They speak and act in ways that would get them slapped in most places and sit back and laugh about it with their friends, but of course most guys have no idea what is happening because they do not speak the language.
I agree, a man that tries to pay 500 baht is pretty cheap. I don't think I ever mentioned that amount by the way. The amount in question was 1k baht for ST. I would gladly pay a gal 1. 5k if she was good looking and willing to provide the level of service that I expect, no matter what the venue.
And again, one of the issues here is that "guys don't come to Thailand to f&^k wh&*^s, they come here to date wh&*^s." Myself, I want to go to a venue, have a PSE for 1 1/2 and then leave. Don't want to hear about momma, kids, or any of that.
First of all, I am an oily guy. Set price. 1 1/2 hrs 2100k. Difference is I know what level of service I am going to get. Girls are polite and most have a well developed skill set.Yeah, me, too. I like the massage shops and know exactly where to go to get my rocks off. It's nice to be able to make a booking and take your time with a woman, (or two), that you know.
GoGos are an unknown quantity and to pay 2k to a gal who is going to want to run off after a quick screw is nuts.I agree with you here, somewhat, but some of my memorable sessions have been with go-go dancers. You can tell a lot by the way they dance. You can also tell a lot by what they do, (i. e., how they treat you), when you invite them over for a drink. I live with a former go-go dancer, so I found at least one that I like.
And yes, when you look at the way most WGs in GoGo treat their "customers" it is with very little respect. They speak and act in ways that would get them slapped in most places and sit back and laugh about it with their friends, but of course most guys have no idea what is happening because they do not speak the language.It helps to understand a little Thai as well as various dialects of Isaan / Lao, and Khmer! And then there are there are the obscure local dialects from the NE border areas. Me? I can't hear much in go-go bars anyway, so I just nod my head and smile. I don't really care if they are making fun of me, as I'm the one with the money (which is all they really want).
Most of the dancers I've seen lately (in Bangkok & Pattaya) are very young and act like lesbians when off the stage. Observing them for any time is like watching kittens in a cage. These days I generally only go to go-go bars where I know at least a few of the dancers. My reputation precedes me when I walk into these clubs. Buying a few strategic drinks for some of the girls, and the mamasan, at new bars usually guarantees good treatment the next time you stop by. La la la la.
I agree, a man that tries to pay 500 baht is pretty cheap. I don't think I ever mentioned that amount by the way. The amount in question was 1k baht for ST. I would gladly pay a gal 1. 5k if she was good looking and willing to provide the level of service that I expect, no matter what the venue.This was a generic comment than one directed at you. There's a lot of Cheap Charlies who read this forum, especially the Pattaya guys. But, then again, they usually get what they've paid for and that's a good thing.
And again, one of the issues here is that "guys don't come to Thailand to f&^k wh&*^s, the come here to date wh&*^s." Myself, I want to go to a venue, have a PSE for 1 1/2 and then leave. Don't want to hear about momma, kids, or any of that.Good attitude. I would advise any man who comes here on a sex holiday to follow this format. But when you live here, emotionless fcuking gets a little monotonous (and expensive), and a little "feeling" with an attractive, insatiable, pleasant woman can go a long way to enhance the lifestyle. And, contrary to popular belief, it can sometimes work out to be a bit cheaper in the long run. ;)
1000 Baht for an hours work is FAR more money than 95% of the people in this country make.
Soapy and oily prices have not increased in the least over the last 12 years, with the exception of the 100 baht "tax" that was added to soapies in I think 03, yet the GOGO price has increased over 100.
The only thing that matters is the local economy, not the costs back home.Are you saying Thai girls should get no more for fucking asshole farangs than the average wage? The girls expect to be paid far more.
Soapies are costing me significantly more than I paid 12 years ago in BKK. Its not the same soapies, but the prices are defintely higher.
I like to compare prices of everything in Thailand to back home to get the feel of the average price ratio.
In general I expect things back home to be about 3 to 5 times more costly.
My townhouse in BKK would cost probably 3 times more back home, for equivalent suburb.
Some things in Thailand are excessively cheap, e. G. Taxis and sex, due to huge oversupply.
These may well be more than 5 times more expensive back home.
Some things are still very expensive, e. G. Farang goods: iPhones.
Coffee is a luxury item. I see bankers eating 30b plates of food everyday. Do working girls deserve better food?
1000 baht is a lot of money for these poor farm girls. Their dads make about 4-5k / month. All they need to do is 5 quick fucks (5 hours of work) and they already make more than their fathers who slaves over the farm (300 hours / month).
Yep, the greedy farm girls try and hit up stupid foreigners for 2k ST because they know Thai guys wouldn't pay these astronomical prices for the same quality pussy. Most girls are looking to make 50k+/monthly, far more than their worth on a Thai level! Just because they expect to make a lot doesn't mean we as mongers should give in to their high demanding prices. Unfortunatley, most guys think with their heart and not their heads.Working girls want to go to a decent proper Japanese or Italian restaurant too.
The real question is whether YOU deserve better food and a nice coffee, or just 30 Baht for a measly plate.
Working girls have to support their parents who can't make ends meet due to drought or floods, plus put younger sister through univeristy so she won't have to fuck for a living, so how little their parents make is not relevant.
Some girls are in sex work in order to save up to open their own business.
The smart working girls reject the greedy / stingy Farangs who want to pay so little. They probably already know they will have difficultly stemming the vomit reflex when they have to suck his smelly cock.
Some of us get great service however, even from carefully chosen gogo lookers. Haven't had a bad one for ages, but have a collection of favourites. You will never get a stunner for 1K in Bangkok unless she is seriously naive or works in a Thai only district due to having no English or being repulsed by Farangs. Even in the Thai bars, I doubt it.
Go to Cambodia. The girls are much cheaper but not that good looking.
Yeah, me, too. I like the massage shops and know exactly where to go to get my rocks off. It's nice to be able to make a booking and take your time with a woman, (or two) , that you know.
I agree with you here, somewhat, but some of my memorable sessions have been with go-go dancers. You can tell a lot by the way they dance. You can also tell a lot by what they do, (I. E, how they treat you) , when you invite them over for a drink. I live with a former go-go dancer, so I found at least one that I like.
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Good attitude. I would advise any man who comes here on a sex holiday to follow this format. But when you live here, emotionless fcuking gets a little monotonous (and expensive) , and a little "feeling" with an attractive, insatiable, pleasant woman can go a long way to enhance the lifestyle. And, contrary to popular belief, it can sometimes work out to be a bit cheaper in the long run. .Good points all the way, Fon T.
<cut A bit more expensive today in the Gogo's. But who goes there and expects real service. Oh, I forgot, those specialists, who know (and complain about the prices).
BTW, Goatsrot, are you aware that the "local economy" was quite strong in the past few years? Unemployment low, difficult for the bars to get girls for the business? Salaries / wages rising?
I for myself enjoy the luxury items (several cups of coffee every day) and pay the prices (coffee is really expensive here). I don't really care how much it is. If it is fun, why should I care? I even don't want it to be cheap, that keeps it reserved for me, and I even pay a bit more then. That's luxury, right? Wow, I am a real asshole. I know! I really enjoy being an asshole. Better than being a Cheap Charlie!
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Let's talk about the impact of the current flood on the prices, guys. I think I pay a little more in the next few days. 3000 all night, ok? Will help all those poor farmer families, who cannot grow rice right now. They basically do what they always do (NOTHING). But I think I can help them a bit. I think that's the right thing to do. But. We should not talk about that. Cheap is good!
BTW, the girls really like me (I am so handsome!). I overpay, constantly. Sorry for that!
GiottoYes, yes, you wicked wicked man. Ha Ha! Spoiling the market.
Even Thai students drink at Starbucks. Some can afford it.
Can't say you are an asshole for spending some money to help some Thai families.
From: another overpayer (should have been my handle)
Give an uneducated farmer's daughter the money a Dr makes and all of the sudden her "s*t don't stink" so to speak.This is the kiss of death!
Nothing ever good comes out of spoiling an Asian hooker, but western guys do it all the time. Western men are used to handing over their power to women back home, that's why most of them are in asia fucking around. They have zero power in their home countries, yet they come to Asia only to hand over their power again.
PeterTaylor
10-13-11, 09:24
A few experiences this week that reflect the fact that there seems little consistency in BKK and that therefore peoples' experience will differ and that it is probably unwise to generalise.
Hilary bar on Soi 4. Good looking lady in her late 30s complains of lack of customers but "bar fine is 600 baht and she charges 3k / 5k ST / LT". I laugh and say I understand why no customers. One of her younger companions (a 7) offers 1. 5k / 2. 5k, quickly reducing to 1k / 2k when I do not accept. Good performance in the room and likes the room so much, that she reduces LT to 1. 5k. I send her away in the morning after 3. 5 pops and a great breakfast with 2k. The older lady revises her pricing strategy for my next visit, but I leave her in the bar.
Oilies are charging between 300 and 800 baht. Cost may reflect the professionalism of the massage. It certainly does not reflect the attraction of the masseuses as there are beauties and dogs in both price brackets.
Loads of ladies on the street, the beer bars are often empty with more girls than customers, the majority of go go clubs are the same. Costs vary with go go still demanding premium as they have some Japanese, but prices reduce as evening goes on.
Gullivers and the Beer Garden have plenty of choice and it is a buyers' market. I offer 1k / 2k and no one rejects. Performances are generally good and I give tips appropriately. I am popular enough with the girls I have taken for others to accept the reduced rates.
My view. Pay what you feel comfortable with as it is your money. However, I do not want to ruin things for expatriates living here on reduced incomes.
Have fun.
Peter
Hello,
Wondering if the flood situation has had any impact on the nightlife and mongering scene in Bangkok, particularly the Suk area. Will be visiting BKK in 2 weeks hence the question!
Take care,
Hifly
Are you saying Thai girls should get no more for fucking asshole farangs than the average wage? The girls expect to be paid far more.
Soapies are costing me significantly more than I paid 12 years ago in BKK. Its not the same soapies, but the prices are defintely higher.
I like to compare prices of everything in Thailand to back home to get the feel of the average price ratio.
In general I expect things back home to be about 3 to 5 times more costly.
My townhouse in BKK would cost probably 3 times more back home, for equivalent suburb.
Some things in Thailand are excessively cheap, e. G. Taxis and sex, due to huge oversupply.
These may well be more than 5 times more expensive back home.
Some things are still very expensive, e. G. Farang goods: iPhones.
Of course not. And 1000 for an hour of their time far above the average wage here. That would be 160k baht per month if you factor in an eight hour work day. That is what some directors and upper management make. A very good wage.
I am from D/FW Texas. Your housing dollar goes a lot farther there than it does here. A six pack of great micro-brew is about 7.50. Hein here is over 40 bath per bottle at 7-11. Health insurance is far cheaper here as are women. Other than that the US is cheaper than Thailand, that is if you want to live a Western lifestyle.
Was thinking about a short trip in one weeks time but the weather seems to be not improving. Anyone know anything more?
Working girls want to go to a decent proper Japanese or Italian restaurant too.
The real question is whether YOU deserve better food and a nice coffee, or just 30 Baht for a measly plate.
Working girls have to support their parents who can't make ends meet due to drought or floods, plus put younger sister through univeristy so she won't have to fuck for a living, so how little their parents make is not relevant.
Some girls are in sex work in order to save up to open their own business.
The smart working girls reject the greedy / stingy Farangs who want to pay so little. They probably already know they will have difficultly stemming the vomit reflex when they have to suck his smelly cock.
Some of us get great service however, even from carefully chosen gogo lookers. Haven't had a bad one for ages, but have a collection of favourites. You will never get a stunner for 1K in Bangkok unless she is seriously naive or works in a Thai only district due to having no English or being repulsed by Farangs. Even in the Thai bars, I doubt it.
Go to Cambodia. The girls are much cheaper but not that good looking.? I have found that really good food and wine is lost on most Thai hookers. Taking a Cowboy girl to a nice restaurant? Really? Save your money and go to a nice soapy.
Biggest difference in the "scene" from 12 years ago is the proliferation of internet dating sites and the amazing amount guys who want to spoil hookers. We can learn things from the Asian man. They know how to compartmentalize. Gals you date and marry are gals you date and marry. Hookers are hookers. There is a real distinction between the two. Would you date a girl with a 6th grade education back in your home country? Probably not, so why do it here? Only difference between most of these gals and those from rural West Virginia is that these gals are cute and have all their teeth. But guys still have the "rescue ranger" gene and end up in a bad relationship.
Most of us who live here bring quite a bit to the table. A majority were successful enough of an estate in our home countries to put together enough to retire or we can make a living here, so it is really silly not to demand that the gal bring something to the table besides the wet spot between her legs.
This is the kiss of death!
Nothing ever good comes out of spoiling an Asian hooker, but western guys do it all the time. Western men are used to handing over their power to women back home, that's why most of them are in asia fucking around. They have zero power in their home countries, yet they come to Asia only to hand over their power again.So true. Many guys create the same situation they had in their home country. Let's face facts. No girl has to become a prostitute in this country. There are other ways. It is the easy way out. Shows a lot about their character. Don't get me wrong, I like 'them and love to partake, but a rent a gal is just that.
You're well behind the times, IMHO. It costs more than 30 Baht for a decent cup of coffee. You don't get much to eat for 30 Baht anymore. Okay a very small plate, mostly rice, plus water. Your supermarket shopping trolley rarely comes to less than 1000 Baht unless you stick to cheap Fruit and Vegs.
1000 a heck of a lot of cash? Its barely $30.
If the girls wanted to make an average wage, they would do non-sex work. They clearly expect to make a lot more by selling sex.
Look a decent 2 hour sex session in my country would cost be a week's rent on a very nice house. A week's rent on a very nice house in Bangkok will cost a lot more than 1K. Okay sex should be cheaper by a bigger ratio due to the very high supply of girls wanting to be fucked for money.
5 years ago, a pretty soapy M. P. Girl was happy enough to make just 1K for each 2 hr. Customer, but not anymore.
I sometimes see Thai school kids aged maybe 12, with iPads, these days. Obviously from a well off family. Many Thais on the train have iPhones. These things are not much cheaper in Thailand than in a western country. Thai working girls may not be able to afford iPhones, but I bet they want a pretty flash one, just the same.Jeez, last time I checked (both this morning and afternoon) , every stall in the On Nut market and every venue along the street was still selling kuay tiaow noodles, rice with two toppings of curry or other, congee, stewed pork, Hainanese chicken rice, and just about every other dish for 30-35 baht. It has been and stayed that way for a long long time, and I can guarantee you that 90% of the working girls (plus millions of other Thais) are eating their meals in these places, and NOT in Siam Paragon or upscale restaurants. And a good cup of cafe boran (filtered Thai coffee with condensed milk, which hundreds of people line up for every morning and lunch hour) still costs 15 baht in most spots, maybe 20 around central Sukhumvit. Yeah, if you drink a cappuccino in Starbucks or those type of places, it will run you 100 baht or so, made by a worker who is earning 300 baht a day. Guarantee you he or she ain't drinking the coffee there either. 1000 baht still can go a very long way here, one reason why all the office ladies and millions of others who earn 10-15, 000 baht a month are able to survive and not complain too much.
Working girls want to go to a decent proper Japanese or Italian restaurant too.
The real question is whether YOU deserve better food and a nice coffee, or just 30 Baht for a measly plate.
Working girls have to support their parents who can't make ends meet due to drought or floods, plus put younger sister through univeristy so she won't have to fuck for a living, so how little their parents make is not relevant.
Some girls are in sex work in order to save up to open their own business.
The smart working girls reject the greedy / stingy Farangs who want to pay so little. They probably already know they will have difficultly stemming the vomit reflex when they have to suck his smelly cock.
Some of us get great service however, even from carefully chosen gogo lookers. Haven't had a bad one for ages, but have a collection of favourites. You will never get a stunner for 1K in Bangkok unless she is seriously naive or works in a Thai only district due to having no English or being repulsed by Farangs. Even in the Thai bars, I doubt it.
Go to Cambodia. The girls are much cheaper but not that good looking.Some pretty gross generalizations there. Met a former coyote dancer last week, used to work in a very upscale club. She has been to the US and UK, she has had some very wealthy boyfriends and sponsors, and she looks damn good. She asked me for 3000 baht when we met, and I told her I wouldn't give more than 1500. She decided she liked me anyways and stayed with me almost all night, we had an absolute blast, and she has been calling since to come and repeat. Why on earth then, would she go with this stingy farang and repetitively stem her vomit reflex, when there are a zillion guys who will pay her more? (and I ain't Brad Pitt either). When I asked her, she says I am polite, treat her nicely, can speak intelligent Thai (and she can speak English, nor is she naive) with her, and I make her feel damn good. I think that most guys who live here (or come here and actually understand the scene) will attest to have having plenty of wonderful beautiful women for 1000 baht, just as I am sure many can attest to have having some real bad apples at 2000.
Probably 90% of the working girls in Nana or Cowboy, if you asked them if they enjoy going to Italian restaurants (and to not say yes out of politeness) , well, let's just say you wouldn't have too many customers. The vendor I go to to eat Kao Man Gai (Hainanese Chicken Rice) has been written up in Elle Magazine, and people line up for tables at her roadside shop every day (she probably does the best Kao Man Gai in the country). Her food, which only costs a measly 30 baht, is far better than most of the 5 star restaurants that I am feted at for my work on a daily basis. Sorry to say, the adage you get what you pay for, has extremely little relevance for most of these subjects.
Was thinking about a short trip in one weeks time but the weather seems to be not improving. Anyone know anything more?I got here about 7 hrs ago and have not noticed a difference now vs. The last few times I have been here. I am staying in Nana and don't see any flooding (at least not yet). It has rained a little, but it always rains here unless you come between nov. April. I'll be here until Wednesday. Party on.
Bosmina Daphnia
10-14-11, 03:32
Friends, please let us know how things are in the wake of flooding scare. Is life normal at Suk area?
Of course not. And 1000 for an hour of their time far above the average wage here. That would be 160k baht per month if you factor in an eight hour work day. That is what some directors and upper management make. A very good wage.Ha Ha, if a girl could fuck for 8 hours straight every day, she really would make good money. I wonder if the best mango girl can get to 160K per month. Possible but not likely (unless she has some very generous customers and totally booked out). If she averaged 5 customers per day and each paid an average of 2K.
Of course, I make way more than that Overseas, even after I pay heavy tax, but I would be happy enough to make 160K per month in Thailand. If I made only 50K per month, perhaps I would be looking for 1K girls too.
There are other ways. It is the easy way out.No no, they don't have the education and smarts to make the same money some other way. Yes it's the easy way out. Why work for a pittance? If they do it for a few years to set them up to open a business, that is smart.
What does it say about their character? Nothing!
Sex is good, right? It's not evil (religious brainwashing). To make money for sex is even better. Gogo girl and freelancers don't even have to take every customer. They can pick and choose who is likely to be reasonably fun. Plenty of girls reject guys that don't appeal to them or that don't at least seem nice. Although most girls seem to like me, I still get rejections occasionally, when the girl is trying to hook that other young hansome hot guy (or maybe a super rich Japanese). I knew a special dancer at a gogo that occasionally went with customers she liked but quite rarely. I. E. Only with guys that really appealed to her.
I respect girls that reject a lot of potential customers, purely because they don't want to fuck just anybody at all. Less respect for Oily girls who have little say in who they go with.
I knew one Thai hooker that gave me a lot of freebies in return for not fucking other girls (at least not when she was around). Obviously she was a jealous type and she wanted a special person to special things for her only. I guess most customers were just work.
A couple of massage girls I know now often seem to hint that they would like to have some special guy even if not a proper boyfriend.
As I have been on a little bit of a massage binge lately. There have not been too many visitors to my BKK box. My normally white bathroom had slowly become a pink and brown forest. To convince some hooker I'm not a filthy man, I decided I would clean it. I figure I needed something strong, I buy a bottle of "the duck" bathroom professional. 15% Hcl acid. Anyway, I'm spreading this shit around like a zamboni. I get this stuff all over me. Especially, my feet and hands. I was cleaning the shower barefoot. My place is spotless, some girl shoud give me some dirty sex. Off to Soi Cowboy.
I hit the first bar. Everybody is looking at me, even the customers. I'm thinking WTF. Then I see it. My hands and feet are glowing blue in the black light. With little specks of blue all over the rest of me. I had something to talk about for at least one night. In the end, I barfined some girl from Midnite. She said 3000 LT, but in the cab after a phone call she told me she would have to leave by 7am. I told her fuck that. After I got back I regretted not fucking her once ST, way too drunk for a quick second time. As the thai girls say "I might play some Tagged this week".
No no, they don't have the education and smarts to make the same money some other way. Yes it's the easy way out. Why work for a pittance? If they do it for a few years to set them up to open a business, that is smart.
What does it say about their character? Nothing!
Sex is good, right? It's not evil (religious brainwashing). To make money for sex is even better. Gogo girl and freelancers don't even have to take every customer. They can pick and choose who is likely to be reasonably fun. Plenty of girls reject guys that don't appeal to them or that don't at least seem nice. Although most girls seem to like me, I still get rejections occasionally, when the girl is trying to hook that other young hansome hot guy (or maybe a super rich Japanese). I knew a special dancer at a gogo that occasionally went with customers she liked but quite rarely. I. E. Only with guys that really appealed to her.
I respect girls that reject a lot of potential customers, purely because they don't want to fuck just anybody at all. Less respect for Oily girls who have little say in who they go with.
I knew one Thai hooker that gave me a lot of freebies in return for not fucking other girls (at least not when she was around). Obviously she was a jealous type and she wanted a special person to special things for her only. I guess most customers were just work.
A couple of massage girls I know now often seem to hint that they would like to have some special guy even if not a proper boyfriend.I know quite a few girls from poor families who have worked their way through Uni and onto Masters degrees and are now making good salaries and have never resorted to prostitution. Truth be told sex work is eventually a dead end as one gets old. Nothing more depressing than an old hooker.
And yes, in this culture it says a lot about her character. Most girls do not resort to prostitution. It does say something about their character when one looks at it with respect to this culture. It is easy money when you are young and sets a certain mindset and expectations that is are impossible to shake.
Obviously I have no issue with sex workers, but once in the biz it is awfully hard to ever get out as the lure of easy money is always there.
DesiDownUnder
10-14-11, 08:35
I've been coming regularly to Thailand for the past 10 years for work. I have done all the usuals and in general had a great time. Loads of fun and hot sex. For the past year I tried the internet thing. Hooking up with non-pros. And it is possible to get plenty of free sex. I met this girl in June that is up for everything. Cute and sexy. But a bit plump. But sex is great and no does not exist in her vocabulary. No money involved. She even buys me small gifts when we meet. I have only been paying for drinks in bars when we go out together to pick up girls for threesomes and lesbian action. This girl is really a performer!
I am in BKK now and today I have two dates with girls I met online that agreed to sex and no money. Just fun.
Some say why bother plenty of girls around. That is true. However, I like warming up at home preparing for my next trip and setting up meetings with girls. Many of them are also very willing to do nasty things on webcam. It is all fun. All enjoy.I would definitely like to try it out with non-pros. What sites do you go to?
Ha Ha, if a girl could fuck for 8 hours straight every day, she really would make good money. I wonder if the best mango girl can get to 160K per month. Possible but not likely (unless she has some very generous customers and totally booked out). If she averaged 5 customers per day and each paid an average of 2K.
Of course, I make way more than that Overseas, even after I pay heavy tax, but I would be happy enough to make 160K per month in Thailand. If I made only 50K per month, perhaps I would be looking for 1K girls too.Many girls have money coming in from "sponsors." In fact, I would imagine that is the case for most lookers.
I would imagine the average Mango gal makes in excess of 50k a month, which is a huge salary in Thailand.
Jeez, last time I checked (both this morning and afternoon) , every stall in the On Nut market and every venue along the street was still selling kuay tiaow noodles, rice with two toppings of curry or other, congee, stewed pork, Hainanese chicken rice, and just about every other dish for 30-35 baht. It has been and stayed that way for a long long time, and I can guarantee you that 90% of the working girls (plus millions of other Thais) are eating their meals in these places, and NOT in Siam Paragon or upscale restaurants. And a good cup of cafe boran (filtered Thai coffee with condensed milk, which hundreds of people line up for every morning and lunch hour) still costs 15 baht in most spots, maybe 20 around central Sukhumvit. Yeah, if you drink a cappuccino in Starbucks or those type of places, it will run you 100 baht or so, made by a worker who is earning 300 baht a day. Guarantee you he or she ain't drinking the coffee there either. 1000 baht still can go a very long way here, one reason why all the office ladies and millions of others who earn 10-15, 000 baht a month are able to survive and not complain too much.Spot on Oldian. One can learn how to live quite well from the locals. I can afford to eat anywhere I want but have found that where the locals eat is normally far better than most of the overpriced Farang food venues in town.
Many girls have money coming in from "sponsors." In fact, I would imagine that is the case for most lookers.This is another reason why they become selective. They don't need to go with every potential customer and they often don't even show up for work. When they are spoiled they lose their drive to make money. Spoiling a hooker is like pouring salt into your coffee.
Friends, please let us know how things are in the wake of flooding scare. Is life normal at Suk area?When I left 2 days ago it wass till dry and normal operation. According to news, today is still same.
Spot on Oldian. One can learn how to live quite well from the locals. I can afford to eat anywhere I want but have found that where the locals eat is normally far better than most of the overpriced Farang food venues in town.I still try to get the point.
Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?
I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So - where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?
The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries - then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.
It is that easy.
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Clarification: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed!
Just returned. They expect the Suhkumvit area to be hit with floods possible in the next couple of days. Al of the shops have sand bags lined up ready to close off the entry ways. The rivers crest between Sunday and Wednesday so if it is going to happen that is the danger point. Good luck to everyone
I still try to get the point.
Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?
I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So. Where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?
The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries. Then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.
It is that easy.
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Clarification: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed!Giotto,
There is no malice against the girls at all. You are making my point. It is the idiot customer that pays too much. You have an awful lot of guys out there who are paying Mercedes prices for Chevrolet. They are paying 2500 when they should be paying 1500. Like walking into a car dealership knowing the price and offering more for it. Not so swift.
And again, prices for GoGo girls and free lancers have doubled over the past 6 years. The only constant has been oilies and soapies.
I still try to get the point.
Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?
I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So. Where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?
The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries. Then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.
It is that easy.
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Clarification: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed!You are 100% right, it is the market that makes the price. Which is precisely why a girl who normally goes for 2, 500 will drop to 1, 500 when there are no customers, or when it is late, or when business is slow. What most guys don't get is that there are thousands and thousands of girls, and even in high season, still a strong buyers market. If a vendor offers a newbie a t-shirt on Sukhumvit for 300 baht and he buys it, he will be selling that t-shirt at that price or higher for the rest of the week. If the following buyers get it for 200, he will come down. What most don't get is that the same shirt can be had at Pratunam for 100.
. You have an awful lot of guys out there who are paying Mercedes prices for Chevrolet. They are paying 2500 when they should be paying 1500. Like walking into a car dealership knowing the price and offering more for it. Not so swift.I completely disagree with this approach of analysis.
There are Mercedes girls and Chevrolet girls out there. And Honda girls who believe they are Ferrari girls (my taste, my POV) , but for that specific customer who pays the Ferrari price it is obviously a Ferrari girl (his taste, his POV). There is no general market price for all girls.
This ongoing discussion about overpaying is just nonsense. There are girls working out there getting 4k. 5k. 6k or more for all night. Easily. They have either a specific customer group, that is willing to pay this amount, they might look very good or be aware of an extraordinary service level they provide. Some have simply have a different strategy (better once or twice a week for real money than 10 times for nothing). Whatever their price-determining reason is - they obviously survive and find customers that fit into their self-marketing strategy. The individual market for each girl will regulate the price automatically.
And again, prices for GoGo girls and free lancers have doubled over the past 6 years. The only constant has been oilies and soapies.I disagree again.
Bar fine is up in the Gogo's, ok. I don't consider this to be part of the girls price, it's more revenue for the bar. The prices in Gogo's are slightly higher today than they were years ago, but you can usually still find girls for 1500 ST / 2500 LT. Years ago all night was 2000 already, and you found some exceptions going for 1000 ST. Then most likely the demand for this girl was not very high.
Freelancers - the prices in Beergarden Soi 7 are still low (don't forget the full-body condom) , and in Spasso still high. I don't see any major price increases. Streetwalkers on Sukhumvit are now available for 1000 (later in the night the prices are even dropping).
If I look at the development in Singapore the average girls prices in OT are still lower today than they were before the Asian crisis 1997/1998. Remember the Brannigans / Top 10 girls that easily got SGD 400 for all night.
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
I still try to get the point.
Does it mean, that girls have to take low prices for their services because the costs of living in a specific country is low?
I think a girl takes as much as possible, as anybody would do, who sells services / work to customers / employers. So. Where the hell is the point? Why should a girl go for 1500 THB for all night if the next customer is willing to pay 2500 THB?
The market makes the price. And if a girl offers special qualities / look / services she will be able to get a higher price. If she is not able to do so, though she tries. Then she will sooner or later adjust her prices or file for chapter 11.
It is that easy.
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.th
Clarification: In a report below I wrote that prices have not changed much in the past 12 years. I referred to prices for girls services. Coffee prices (and others) have skyrocketed!I agree with you, on all points except for part of the last one. I think that 12 years ago, many girls were happy to get 1K for fucking, even less, but not so many now. The price of the supermarket trolley of goods has gone up a lot, so they should get paid more too.
Bar girls don't want to go for 1K, when they know their friend can pull much higher, even if they are a bit short of customers. Strangely, bar girls do not seem to negotiate a price with me. They just trust I will pay them adequately / fairly and I get no complaints. They are probably expert at reading a guy's makeup when it comes to the stingy / generous genes. They may know that they can actually get a better tip by not negotiating with the right type of customers.
I remember about 18-20 years ago getting a Soi Cowboy girl for the night (very long time) for 400 Baht (but no stunner). I think prices must have gone up significantly since then. Actually was very hard to get rid of her. She never wanted to leave, and would return to my low class Hotel uninvited. These days I want a higher standard Hotel, higher standard girl, and higher standard coffee, and must pay accordingly.
12 years ago, was probably hard to find a good coffee. Many Black Canyon places with staff who did not know anything. 20 years ago, good coffee didn't seem to exist (or I certainly didn't know where to go). The "fresh" milk was sweetened condensed milk from a can (and I don't take sugar). Yuck.
You are 100% right, it is the market that makes the price. Which is precisely why a girl who normally goes for 2, 500 will drop to 1, 500 when there are no customers, or when it is late, or when business is slow. What most guys don't get is that there are thousands and thousands of girls, and even in high season, still a strong buyers market. If a vendor offers a newbie a t-shirt on Sukhumvit for 300 baht and he buys it, he will be selling that t-shirt at that price or higher for the rest of the week. If the following buyers get it for 200, he will come down. What most don't get is that the same shirt can be had at Pratunam for 100.Exactly correct and its why price discussion is very much needed.
I can get the same shirt sold on Sukhumvit at 200 or 400 baht at Pratunam for 100 baht.
I can get the same DVD sold on Sukhumvit at 150 baht at Panthip for 70 baht.
I see in the Bangkok Post today that they are calling for vendors who put prices up during the floods to be jailed. This is a free market, and the same applies to girls. If they can get away with selling the same thing for more, they will of course.
If everyone says no, they will drop their price.
Why men are paying 4000 baht overnight with girls I do not know. At the very most, if she is really a hottie and you cannot resist, then its 3000 baht over night. There is no girl in Bangkok worth more than that, they only have a pussy and it will only make you cum, it does not shoot out gold bars.
Short time should be in the 1000 baht to 1500 baht range.
Long time should be 2000 baht (with the exception for the hottie you cannot resist, but only after she refuses to take 2000 or 2500 baht).
If all the stupid people stopped paying too much for things, the prices on Sukhumvit for shirts and DVD's and watches would be the same as other places in Bangkok.
If all the stupid people stopped paying too much for short time and long time, all the girls would charge 1. 5K short time and 2K long time with many charging less.
The famous saying is :
A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED.
And the saying will ring true forever whilst people are stupid enough to overpay.
Bar owners will come on here and defend prices for girls, because they do not pay it and if their girls are getting more money its easier to keep girls at their bar working for them, they will also make snide comments about cheaper places because they do not want you paying less, they want you paying their prices for their girls and their prices for their beers.
I completely disagree with this approach of analysis.
There are Mercedes girls and Chevrolet girls out there. And Honda girls who believe they are Ferrari girls (my taste, my POV) , but for that specific customer who pays the Ferrari price it is obviously a Ferrari girl (his taste, his POV). There is no general market price for all girls.Some comments, not to Giotto so much, just general.
Cars are a reasonable analogy, since price of a girl depends on age, looks, condition, sales negotiating skill, taste of the customer, quick sale or bargain hunt, etc.
Of course, analogies are not useful to prove anything at all. Same but different.
Yes absolutely, "There is no general market price for all girls".
So getting a girl, is not at all like getting someone to clean your house.
However, if guys a want a blow job and don't care what the girl looks like, can get a standard price at a Blowjob joint with an old hag. Girls that value themselves higher just won't work there.
At soapies, you have girls on several different price levels, depending on what price they want to set for themselves, age, had a baby or not, figure good, etc. Some girls set a much higher price than what they are actually worth and some set a lower price than what they are worth. So obviously the over priced ones don't get much repeat business.
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You are making my point. It is the idiot customer that pays too much.There is no such thing as "idiot customers" (some exceptions are confirming the rule due to a lack of brain cells).
There are some rookies out there who just learn the game, and they are sometimes ripped off. That's not a girls problem, that happens in taxis, restaurants, street shops, girly / hostess bars. Everywhere. The Thai life philosophy rules:
Make money as easy as possible, all Farang are walking ATM machines.
If a customer finds out that he overpaid at the beginning of his Thailand experience he will experience something what the marketing science would call "cognitive dissonance". Others get the same service from the same girl cheaper - he will then lower his offer once he tries again to go for a deal with the same girl, or he will not demand her service any more. Still - prices for other girls can be different, higher or lower!
And - before he agreed on a higher price. It was obviously worth it for him. If he afterwards had a good experience and the girl earns a bit more money and is happy there are NO LOSERS in this game. Where the hell is the problem then?
I remember the same discussion on the Cambodian board. The prices were low that time (USD 10 ST, USD 20 LT, if I remember correctly). Members were virtually slammed for overpaying. I jumped in there and asked where I can find 30 USD girls in Phnom Penh - as a kind of suicide attack. I then was massacred ...
I can only encourage everybody to pay what he thinks is OK for him to pay, and to tip of the experience was great. Not to tip if the experience was lousy. Complete normal behavior as we would do it for any purchase of any service in our home countries. There is no such thing as overpaying if the experience is afterwards considered to be worth it - by the partners of the specific transaction.
The statement "a Thai does not respect you if you overpay" - nonsense. A Thai respects you or not - based on your behavior, clothing, cleanliness, smell etc. etc. . If you have a great experience, and you show your appreciation with paying a higher price, this will be appreciated and will not have a negative impact on the respect the girl has for you. She even might like and respect you more. And she will then prefer you to others when you decide to call for her services again. Create a win-win situation like this, instead of fighting the cheap-charlie battle and then having a good experience once a while. You lose time. This "best experience for the lowest price"-game is something for low-income expats living here (like me :) ).
Giotto
http://www.livingstones.co.th
I agree with you, on all points except for part of the last one. I think that 12 years ago, many girls were happy to get 1K for fucking, even less, but not so many now. The price of the supermarket trolley of goods has gone up a lot, so they should get paid more too.Syzygies,
12 years ago I was a rookie :) - may be I overpaid?
Giotto
There is no such thing as "idiot customers" (some exceptions are confirming the rule due to a lack of brain cells).
There are some rookies out there who just learn the game, and they are sometimes ripped off. That's not a girls problem, that happens in taxis, restaurants, street shops, girly / hostess bars. Everywhere. The Thai life philosophy rules:
Make money as easy as possible, all Farang are walking ATM machines.
If a customer finds out that he overpaid at the beginning of his Thailand experience he will experience something what the marketing science would call "cognitive dissonance". Others get the same service from the same girl cheaper. He will then lower his offer once he tries again to go for a deal with the same girl, or he will not demand her service any more. Still. Prices for other girls can be different, higher or lower!
And. Before he agreed on a higher price. It was obviously worth it for him. If he afterwards had a good experience and the girl earns a bit more money and is happy there are NO LOSERS in this game. Where the hell is the problem then?
I remember the same discussion on the Cambodian board. The prices were low that time (USD 10 ST, USD 20 LT, if I remember correctly). Members were virtually slammed for overpaying. I jumped in there and asked where I can find 30 USD girls in Phnom Penh. As a kind of suicide attack. I then was massacred.
I can only encourage everybody to pay what he thinks is OK for him to pay, and to tip of the experience was great. Not to tip if the experience was lousy. Complete normal behavior as we would do it for any purchase of any service in our home countries. There is no such thing as overpaying if the experience is afterwards considered to be worth it. By the partners of the specific transaction.
The statement "a Thai does not respect you if you overpay". Nonsense. A Thai respects you or not. Based on your behavior, clothing, cleanliness, smell etc. Etc. If you have a great experience, and you show your appreciation with paying a higher price, this will be appreciated and will not have a negative impact on the respect the girl has for you. She even might like and respect you more. And she will then prefer you to others when you decide to call for her services again. Create a win-win situation like this, instead of fighting the cheap-charlie battle and then having a good experience once a while. You lose time. This "best experience for the lowest price"-game is something for low-income expats living here (like me.).
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.thGiotto,
I think there are far more "rookies" as you call them out there than there have every been. They get younger and younger as well. I always tip for good service and have never been a bargain hunter, but I do expect great service and that is what I see less of these days except at oilies.
I would still hold onto the fact that the overpaying Farang is seen as a fool by many of the girls. Some guys stay rookies for ever. Some learn the game before they come here. Some have the wisdom to listen to those of us who have lived here for a long time.
Getting into a bidding war over a gal is as silly as getting into a fight over on here. There are plenty, and they seem to always be making more. .
I think respect comes in by the way you treat them, not how much you pay. If you can speak the language and can handle yourself well are two aspects. Guys who set themselves up as walking ATMs will always be just that.
I completely disagree with this approach of analysis.
There are Mercedes girls and Chevrolet girls out there. And Honda girls who believe they are Ferrari girls (my taste, my POV) , but for that specific customer who pays the Ferrari price it is obviously a Ferrari girl (his taste, his POV). There is no general market price for all girls.
This ongoing discussion about overpaying is just nonsense. There are girls working out there getting 4k. 5k. 6k or more for all night. Easily. They have either a specific customer group, that is willing to pay this amount, they might look very good or be aware of an extraordinary service level they provide. Some have simply have a different strategy (better once or twice a week for real money than 10 times for nothing). Whatever their price-determining reason is. They obviously survive and find customers that fit into their self-marketing strategy. The individual market for each girl will regulate the price automatically.
I disagree again.
Bar fine is up in the Gogo's, ok. I don't consider this to be part of the girls price, it's more revenue for the bar. The prices in Gogo's are slightly higher today than they were years ago, but you can usually still find girls for 1500 ST / 2500 LT. Years ago all night was 2000 already, and you found some exceptions going for 1000 ST. Then most likely the demand for this girl was not very high.
Freelancers. The prices in Beergarden Soi 7 are still low (don't forget the full-body condom) , and in Spasso still high. I don't see any major price increases. Streetwalkers on Sukhumvit are now available for 1000 (later in the night the prices are even dropping).
If I look at the development in Singapore the average girls prices in OT are still lower today than they were before the Asian crisis 1997/1998. Remember the Brannigans / Top 10 girls that easily got SGD 400 for all night.
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.thGiotto,
Prices in 2000 were 1k short and 1. 5k long in Nana and Cowboy. I never recall even one discussion about price then and I was a GoGo fanatic at that time. Seems about double to me now with most girls asking 2k short.
Freelancers are the same. Most gals at the BG want 1. 5 with many asking 2k these days, and Thermae, don't get me started. 2k standard with 1k being the standard before.
Tis amazing that prices in Sing are far less than they were in 2000, but it is true.
You lose time. This "best experience for the lowest price"-game is something for low-income expats living here (like me.).
Giotto.
http://www.livingstones.co.thThis is the critical point for some of us. My playing up time is very very limited. I don't have time to research and to always hunt for the best price / performance ratio. I may have just a 2-3 hour window to play up. I want a girl that looks as good or better than my GF (who is well above average) , and is more skilled, just for the fantasy experience, and because I'm a sex maniac / addict. Aren't we paying to escape from the real world for a short time? I wouldn't waste my time on girls with very average looks no matter how cheap they are going. I am sometimes willing to accept only moderately good looks if the service is guaranteed exceptional (e.g. Mango, but I still like Cat, the pretty one).
Maybe the forum should split into two, the bargain hunter cheap charlies, and the playboy money wasters/market spoilers.
The "price is everything" group and the "price is secondary" group. These two groups will never be on the same wavelength at all.
Giotto,
Prices in 2000 were 1k short and 1. 5k long in Nana and Cowboy. I never recall even one discussion about price then and I was a GoGo fanatic at that time. Seems about double to me now with most girls asking 2k short.
Freelancers are the same. Most gals at the BG want 1. 5 with many asking 2k these days, and Thermae, don't get me started. 2k standard with 1k being the standard before.Goatscrot,
We had falling prices after the Asian Financial Crisis hit Thailand, some deep dips here and then. And Thermae is a completely different story today than it was 2000 and before. That time it was a late night spot for left-overs. And you made the cheap deals right there. Today Thermae is targeting Asian / Japanese customers.
Even if we consider that some freelancer / Gogo girl prices are 50 % up since 1998 (a fact that I cannot confirm) then it does not seam to be too unusual to me. Normal price development, inflation. If we then look at the soapy prices (oilies came up later) , the real income of those girls obviously fell. So - what are we talking about?
Giotto
(snip). Maybe the forum should split into two, the bargain hunter cheap charlies, and the playboy money wasters / market spoilers.
The "price is everything" group and the "price is secondary" group. These two groups will never be on the same wavelength at all.May I also suggest:
Old guys (29+) , young guys, & really old guys (49+)
Bald guys & hairy guys.
Slim guys & fat guys.
Guys who can eat spicy & guys who cannot eat spicy.
Large dicks (20cm+) & small dicks.
Sadists & masochists.
Tall guys & short guys.
People of color & people who are color blind.
Butt fcukers & tight asses
;)
This is the critical point for some of us. My playing up time is very very limited. I don't have time to research and to always hunt for the best price / performance ratio. I may have just a 2-3 hour window to play up. I want a girl that looks as good or better than my GF (who is well above average) , and is more skilled, just for the fantasy experience, and because I'm a sex maniac / addict. Aren't we paying to escape from the real world for a short time? I wouldn't waste my time on girls with very average looks no matter how cheap they are going. I am sometimes willing to accept only moderately good looks if the service is guaranteed exceptional (e. G. Mango, but I still like Cat, the pretty one).
Maybe the forum should split into two, the bargain hunter cheap charlies, and the playboy money wasters / market spoilers.
The "price is everything" group and the "price is secondary" group. These two groups will never be on the same wavelength at all.For me there has to be value for money and that is why I go to oilies. I want performance and ok looks. I want a gal who is polite as well, and one that is "accomodating." Paying 2. 1k for an hour and a half of that is a bargain in my book. Contrast that with GoGo girls, most of whom want to get out asap and have more "rules" and freelancers who want 1. 5 or 2k (still have to pay for a ST room) and with whom the performance is a gamble as well. When GoGo gals and freelancers were 1k (and 1k was 25 USD) , I did not really care about performance, because if it was a dud you spent less than 50 USD total. Now at over double that for a GoGo gal, a dud is a pretty expensive failure.
Price is not everything, but price / performance is. We are purchasing a service and I for one, expect it to be good. When I get my car serviced I expect them to do a good thorough job, I expect the same from my hookers.
Goatscrot,
We had falling prices after the Asian Financial Crisis hit Thailand, some deep dips here and then. And Thermae is a completely different story today than it was 2000 and before. That time it was a late night spot for left-overs. And you made the cheap deals right there. Today Thermae is targeting Asian / Japanese customers.
Even if we consider that some freelancer / Gogo girl prices are 50 % up since 1998 (a fact that I cannot confirm) then it does not seam to be too unusual to me. Normal price development, inflation. If we then look at the soapy prices (oilies came up later) , the real income of those girls obviously fell. So. What are we talking about?
GiottoGiotto,
GoGo prices are up 100% in 10 yrs. Gals is soapies are still making a lot of money compared to the local economy. It is a good career, albeit a potentially short one.
Yes, Thermae has changed. It belongs to the Japanese and East Asian man, the completion of that takeover happened soon after the closure of the Siam Hotel on P-Buri Road.
Also the other factor with the freelancer crowd is dating sites. The smart gals who know how to write a bit of English can set up dates from home and don't have to sit in the hot stinky Beergarden. If they go out it is by choice and usually to late night discos. It really does not effect the Thermae crowd as even the girls who speak a bit of the Yipun don't write it, so Thermae is the best option to meet Japanese guys.
Have had a nice conversation or two with a Japanese guy in Thermae. They all ask,"Why does white man like girls who look like monkeys?".
And many do. Funny the longer I am here the more I like white skinned Chinesey gals!
(snip). Have had a nice conversation or two with a Japanese guy in Thermae. They all ask,"Why does white man like girls who look like monkeys?".
And many do. Funny the longer I am here the more I like white skinned Chinesey gals!A few more categorical ways to make the ISG Forum more usable for the discerning monger:
Guys that like girls that look like monkeys & guys that like girls that look like porcelain dolls.
Go-go girls that put out & go-go girls that walk out.
Girls with computer skills & girls with old Nokias.
Indians from Mumbai & Indians from Bangalore.
Ugly Americans & Stupid Americans.
Etc, etc. ;) :)
El Frances
10-15-11, 10:30
My opinion is that according to several parameters: town, type of place (gogo, disco, etc.) place (cm2, Bangkok beat, etc.) , girls beauty (as appreciated by most customers of the specific place concerned, there is a reference price. It can be altered by negotiation (a bit lower) and tips (a bit higher). In some places, the reference price may eventally be overrated (this is what I think of cm2, for example) , or underrated for the girl's qualit.
Experienced people know this reference price. As for me, when I go to Bangkok or Pattaya, I know by experience (and others' experience) how much I should pay to get my offer not refused while not overpaying.
The problem is that some members are not experienced and they read this forum to learn this reference price, they are not interested in knowing how much people overpay. This is why I sometimes react when people overpay.
A few more categorical ways to make the ISG Forum more usable for the discerning monger:
Guys that like girls that look like monkeys & guys that like girls that look like porcelain dolls.
Go-go girls that put out & go-go girls that walk out.
Girls with computer skills & girls with old Nokias.
Indians from Mumbai & Indians from Bangalore.
Ugly Americans & Stupid Americans.
Etc, etc. .Aw, see'mon, you can fine tune better than that:
Go-go girls that look like monkeys that walk out & go-go girls that look like porcelain dolls that walk out.
Indians with computer skills from Bangalore who like girls who look like porcelain dolls & walk out versus Indians from Mumbai with old Nokias who like go-go girls who look like monkeys and put out.
Will Smith69
10-15-11, 12:42
Hi,
I read in every newspaper the the flood now have reached the hart of the city.
What is your opinion, shell tourists still come? Or stay away.
Will
My opinion is that according to several parameters: town, type of place (gogo, disco, etc.) place (cm2, Bangkok beat, etc.) , girls beauty (as appreciated by most customers of the specific place concerned, there is a reference price. It can be altered by negotiation (a bit lower) and tips (a bit higher). In some places, the reference price may eventally be overrated (this is what I think of cm2, for example) , or underrated for the girl's qualit.
Experienced people know this reference price. As for me, when I go to Bangkok or Pattaya, I know by experience (and others' experience) how much I should pay to get my offer not refused while not overpaying.
The problem is that some members are not experienced and they read this forum to learn this reference price, they are not interested in knowing how much people overpay. This is why I sometimes react when people overpay.Very well stated.
My opinion is that according to several parameters: town, type of place (gogo, disco, etc.) place (cm2, Bangkok beat, etc.) , girls beauty (as appreciated by most customers of the specific place concerned, there is a reference price. It can be altered by negotiation (a bit lower) and tips (a bit higher). In some places, the reference price may eventally be overrated (this is what I think of cm2, for example) , or underrated for the girl's qualit.
Experienced people know this reference price. As for me, when I go to Bangkok or Pattaya, I know by experience (and others' experience) how much I should pay to get my offer not refused while not overpaying.
The problem is that some members are not experienced and they read this forum to learn this reference price, they are not interested in knowing how much people overpay. This is why I sometimes react when people overpay.A more appropriate way to handle guys "ovrrpaying" (according to one's opinion) is just to state "if you paid 3000 it must have been hell of a good service and she must have been a stunner as a decent service and nice girl usually goes for 1000"
As simple as that.
No need to bash the guy for inflating the market etc.
Low cost guys surely can't expect stunners and top service.
Don't forget each one has his own parameters for stunning or ugly.
A beer is always a beer, drank in front of a 7-11 or in a nice top club served by a nice waitress, great view, nice atmosphere and so. One cannot blame another one if he prefers a club to a 7-11, as long as he has the money and doesn't complain for the price.
Giotto,
I think there are far more "rookies" as you call them out there than there have every been. They get younger and younger as well. I always tip for good service and have never been a bargain hunter, but I do expect great service and that is what I see less of these days except at oilies.
I would still hold onto the fact that the overpaying Farang is seen as a fool by many of the girls. Some guys stay rookies for ever. Some learn the game before they come here. Some have the wisdom to listen to those of us who have lived here for a long time.
Getting into a bidding war over a gal is as silly as getting into a fight over on here. There are plenty, and they seem to always be making more. .
I think respect comes in by the way you treat them, not how much you pay. If you can speak the language and can handle yourself well are two aspects. Guys who set themselves up as walking ATMs will always be just that.With all due respect – seriously. Mongers write of 'respect' from hookers. How does 'respect' factor into a 1 or 2 hour (or less) S / T transaction? Will she suck it better if there is 'respect'? And is respect established in the 90 seconds it takes to smile, meet, negotiate a price and walk around the corner? Is the 'correct' amount of bhat that is finally agreed upon the determinant of said 'respect'?
Hi,
I read in every newspaper the the flood now have reached the hart of the city.
What is your opinion, shell tourists still come? Or stay away.
WillWill,
No problem at all. Pick up a long tail boat at the airport. Taxis cannot get there right now. But Thais are flexible - they offer a boat taxi service now!
I don't think you want to swim with all the luggage.
Giotto (NotTheNation)
Will, No problem at all. Pick up a long tail boat at the airport. Taxis cannot get there right now. But Thais are flexible - they offer a boat taxi service now! I don't think you want to swim with all the luggage. Giotto (NotTheNation)Have you set up the tents on the roof of LL, yet? What about helicopter evacuation for your guests.
It's getting deep here over at Silom / Sathorn! ;)
Lord Farquard
10-15-11, 19:11
Have you set up the tents on the roof of LL, yet? What about helicopter evacuation for your guests.
It's getting deep here over at Silom / Sathorn! .We are almost finished with the ark down here in Bang Pakong, plenty of room.
El Frances
10-15-11, 21:36
To go on with the same idea. I am experienced in Thailand, but not in other places to where I may only occasionally travel to. In other country threads (as in this one) there are always suckers writing like "in this place the going price is 1500 st and 2500 lt" just because they asked a girl how much she wants and don't look further. I am gratefull to the members who have reacted by indicating the normal price to pay and have avoided me to spend more than I should. Price is an important component of our favorite hobby, and yes, it is an important topic for discussion in this forum.
El Frances
10-15-11, 21:46
[QUOTE=Goatscrot; 1206642]Very well stated. [/Q.
I also agree with most of what you write in your posts.
Cheers!
Fast Eddie 48
10-15-11, 22:07
Have you set up the tents on the roof of LL, yet? What about helicopter evacuation for your guests.
It's getting deep here over at Silom / Sathorn!To Fon Tok
I think you guy are trying to scare all the Newbie away so you can keep all the girl for yourself, only a few area in Bangkok have flood problem near the river, all flight to Bangkok arrive on time no delay it all no flooding near the airport for now, yes OCT is the wettest month in BKK many flash flood been here many during monsoon season.
Fast Eddie 48
Professional
10-16-11, 00:44
Does anybody know of a good ear wax cleaning place in Bangkok?
Will,
No problem at all. Pick up a long tail boat at the airport. Taxis cannot get there right now. But Thais are flexible. They offer a boat taxi service now!
I don't think you want to swim with all the luggage.
Giotto (NotTheNation) Seriously, how is the airport and the access roads? I'm due to fly out on Tuesday morning, so planning on getting an early morning taxi from Pattaya. I don't want to find my way blocked by impassable roads. .
The roads around Pattaya seem fine at the moment.
I don't understand why hookers trying to make a buck are looked down on so much.
I do, however, understand if the girls are not protecting themselves.
We are all potential hookers. I would certainly fuck for money if it paid way more than my regular job.
The only thing stopping me, is simply that I have no customers, and wouldn't get any for the money I wanted (if at all). Anyone would fuck for a million dollars LOL, so its merely a question of how much you would go for, and whether you can get any customers at that price.
So don't look down on girls who get a lot more for sex than they would for some other job, and they do have customers.
Respect the girl that is sucking on your knob and trying to give you a good time.
Its great for guys to publish what are the fixed prices for some establishments, and what are the lowest prices obtainable for the lowest quality girls, or a price range that you can expect 95% of girls to fall into, when fixed prices do not apply.
However, don't go crying and whinging when some hot georgous girl wants a lot more. A girl does not have bad character just because she wants more money. Super models simply get paid better.
Go to Pataya for cheaper than Bangkok, or to Phnom Phen for cheaper still, or Nigeria, etc.
I also don't believe that extremely tough negiotiations are going to encourage a girl to perform well. She may well have lost her mood to try to give you a good time. Crap performing girls will probably be always crap, regardless of the price, unless they really have the hots for the customer. Newbies have to learn for themselves somewhat about the tell tale signs that a girl probably won't be good. There aren't any hard and fast rules really. I have had a great time with girls that others thought were no good and visa versa.
A lot depends on compatibility. YMMV.
However, don't go crying and whinging when some hot georgous girl wants a lot more. .I think that is where most people fall down, those who are rookies in the sexual world.
I want great sex. I do not want average sex with a great looking girl. I want a girl who looks fine but is great at sex with me.
In all my experience I am yet to find a really good looking girl who is great in the bed. All the pretty ones tend to be lazy in bed, simply because they can get the mug punters easily through their looks.
Now I know some will disagree but I would counter they do not know what great sex is.
Pretty girl = average sex.
Now, whilst some ugly girls can be wonderful fcuks, we all do not really want to be seen with a fugly girl.
But in Thailand there is a whole swathe of decent looking girls, not overly pretty but also not ugly who are simple divine in bed.
They are not costing 4K overnight or 2K short time, they cost less than that and are really worth it.
You will always get men who pay for beauty (but accept the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor sex) as they want "face".
I do not accept poor sex, and as I said, I have not in thousands of girls found a really pretty Thai girl who is also excellent in bed, they are generally average to poor in the sack.
El Frances
10-16-11, 09:41
Its great for guys to publish what are the fixed prices for some establishments, and what are the lowest prices obtainable for the lowest quality girls, or a price range that you can expect 95% of girls to fall into, when fixed prices do not apply.
However, don't go crying and whinging when some hot georgous girl wants a lot more. A girl does not have bad character just because she wants more money. Super models simply get paid better.Again the same confusion. Who talked about lowest quality girls?
OVERPAYING IS NOT PAYING MORE FOR MORE QUALITY, IT'S PAYING MORE FOR THE SAME QUALITY!
To recall a previous comparison, overpaying is paying the price of a mercedes for a honda, not paying the price of a mercedes for a mercedes.
Being price concious has nothing to do with being a cheap charly or going with low quality girls!
Inversely paying high price doesn't necessarily mean you get quality. Some people tend to rationalise:I have paid a high price so I must have got high quality (what I used to call the cm2 syndrom).
Again the same confusion. Who talked about lowest quality girls?
OVERPAYING IS NOT PAYING MORE FOR MORE QUALITY, IT'S PAYING MORE FOR THE SAME QUALITY!
To recall a previous comparison, overpaying is paying the price of a mercedes for a honda, not paying the price of a mercedes for a mercedes.
Being price concious has nothing to do with being a cheap charly or going with low quality girls!
Inversely paying high price doesn't necessarily mean you get quality. Some people tend to rationalise:I have paid a high price so I must have got high quality (what I used to call the cm2 syndrom).Correct! Again, if a gal is beautiful, has an education, speaks great English, can dress well and look good on your arm at a nice 4 star restaurant, can appreciate good food and wine, is able to engage in good stimulating conversation, and goes home with you and is a skilled provider, of course she is worth a pretty penny.
But a sixth grade educated gal whose only attribute is the wet spot between her legs is certainly not worth that much.
No disrespect intended, but we are buying a service.
I am reading a lot about the reports talking about the pricing and just thought to share my expirence a few days ago on a two night Bangkok stop over.
I been to Phuket a few times and normally pay around 2000 to 2500 LT.
OK now on another fourm I came across a escort agencey in Bangkok for LT 10, 000 now thats bloody expensive (viagra girls Bangkok). I posted a reply saying it was rediculas and way over the top. However the girls on the web site looked extreamly hot. After a boout a week I thought as I am only in town it could be convenient to pre book and have girls show up at my hotel when I arrive. So I ended up neg a price for 16000 for two girls 24hours. I got to hotel at 6. 30 and girls shoud up at 7. 00pm. My wing man didn't know I arrange girls so when I met him in the hotel bar at 7. 15 with girls he was happy.
So I got a extreamly hot, good english, classy girl called Kimberly. The girl friend expirence was better than I had ever had, and she was good in the sack. 7.00pm the next day came had to make a decision to pay another 8, 000 each and go another 24 hours or hit the town.
We dumped the high class girls and went to cowboy for a few drinks then on to soi 4. It was about 11. 30pm went to a bar opisite and down the road a bit from Nane plaza. Walked in and planted my but on a stool next to a girl called Poo Pae. Brought her a drink got chatting she hadn't had a drink all night business was slow. I asked how much for LT she said up to you. I offerd her 1500 and she acepted. Plus Bar fine 500. Now this girl if it wasnt for a twisted tooth was a 7/10 but when we got back to the hotel she total changed. She was a extreamly sexual girl and was realy into it, the sex was great and she was wet as a fire hydrent. Next morning was the same this time 2 orgasms her one me. Now I'm no stud but I fucked the girl crazy.
Was the expensive girl worth it!
It was convinent and she was a great girl but I liked the cheeper girl better.
Does anybody know of a good ear wax cleaning place in Bangkok?I went last year in the morning, ca. 9 am, to a place just in front of Snow White. I also got face shaved.
I ended up there because I had an hour to kill before getting a decent line up at snow white.
Wolvenvacht
10-16-11, 16:03
Seriously, how is the airport and the access roads? I'm due to fly out on Tuesday morning, so planning on getting an early morning taxi from Pattaya. I don't want to find my way blocked by impassable roads. .
The roads around Pattaya seem fine at the moment.Have a look at.
http://www.thaiflood.com/map/traffic.php
The page is in Thai but Google Translations is your friend!
Oh yes, for some reason the map is centered on the Malaysian border. So you will have to move it around to see the Bangkok and Pattaya area.
. Look good on your arm at a nice 4 star restaurant, can appreciate good food and wine, is able to engage in good stimulating conversation, and goes home with you and is a skilled provider, of course she is worth a pretty penny.I do not want her to eat with me in any restaurant or engage in any stimulating conversation, I just want her to fcuk my brains out and then take the money and go away. I pay them to go away after sex, not for sex.
With all due respect – seriously. Mongers write of 'respect' from hookers. How does 'respect' factor into a 1 or 2 hour (or less) S / T transaction? Will she suck it better if there is 'respect'? And is respect established in the 90 seconds it takes to smile, meet, negotiate a price and walk around the corner? Is the 'correct' amount of bhat that is finally agreed upon the determinant of said 'respect'?You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.
I was at Spasso (Grand Hyatt) with a GF a couple of months ago and was impressed with the quality of the freelancers. I almost got in trouble with my girl.
Can anyone help with how much are these girls charging for ST and LT.
Thanks
ElHombreContento
10-16-11, 16:49
Hi,
I read in every newspaper the the flood now have reached the hart of the city.
What is your opinion, shell tourists still come? Or stay away.
WillI am a newbie to the Thailand area, but I will say one thing. The flood reports are over stated. Yes, there are some areas of Bangkok that are fllooded, but that does not mean the whole city is flooded. I am staying in the Sukhmvit Road area, there is no flood around here. I just wanted to get that out of the way right away. There seems to be lot of misinformation on this site about the state of the flood in Bangkok.
This is my first trip to Thailand. I am not claiming I know everything about Thailand, but I am an experience monger and have travel extensively all over the world.
I arrived on Saturday night, October 15 at around 11:50 PM. I went thru immigration and custom on the wing of the magic carpet. What it means hat the whole process took at worst 30 minutes. I then proceeded to catch a cab from the airport to my Hotel. I am staying at the Ramada Hotel & Suites. I will say that the staff is very accommodating and helpful. I had left my umbrella back home, but they showed me where I had one for me in my room. About the cab ride from the Airport to my hotel total charge 310 bahts. I thought that was very good. The only complain I am having so far is that I am not getting good currency exchange. I did not bring alot of currency with me and I am using my Debit Card to get my money. The rates that I am getting is 30 baht per 1 dollar, which is not a good exchange. I will call my bank or do some research on my own on how I can get better exchange rate. Well, I got to my room took a shower, shave and got dress and took a strode to the infamous Cowboy. Did not like what I saw so I kept walking. I took one beer at place down from cowboys that had American music and nothing caught my eyes, but went across from it where there was one girl who was a solid 7 and was hiding away from everybody. I went over introduce myself and we started talking and laughing. Pay the bar fee and we left. Took her to an Italia Restaurant we had dinner and then proceeded to go to my room with her. We had a very fun and interesting night, total GFE. I pay her and gave her cab money. Today we just met and she gave me a freebie. Guys I hear you fighting on how much you should pay these girl and it is not about the money you pay, but the game that you have to get these girls to give you what you want and also how you treat them and who you are picking. Now, if I had picked a barracuda, the same approach that I just had would have not worked. This is my 2 cents on the whole money issue that is going on this Bangkok area. I will Report tomorrow about great discovery mission of Thailand. I will post a pic of my girl Tomorrow also. Later gents, and be safe.
ElHombreContento
Seriously, how is the airport and the access roads? I'm due to fly out on Tuesday morning, so planning on getting an early morning taxi from Pattaya. I don't want to find my way blocked by impassable roads. .
The roads around Pattaya seem fine at the moment.Well, you could look up BKK newspapers, the BKK Post and The Nation if you are that concerned. They are both available online and you do not have beg posters for the info. :)
ElHombreContento
10-16-11, 19:51
You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.We are in the same wave length Oldian, if you treat her like a lady you will get a lady. If you have game and talk to these girls, the reward is amazing.
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OVERPAYING IS NOT PAYING MORE FOR MORE QUALITY, IT'S PAYING MORE FOR THE SAME QUALITY!That's nonsense.
Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?
Giotto
To answer the flood question ...
I was at the airport today to pick up some friends.
No problem at all, all the way to the airport and back. The klong in Soi 39 not even close to reaching the highest possible level.
The Thai government missed the flood in the Northern / Central area of Thailand. They are now in a kind of hyper-motivation mode to show everybody how well they manage the country and the flood problem! There is no serious threat for Bangkok. And the government knows that! Most of the news about the flooding is just a lousy Thai soap opera. The people who really suffer are living to the north, in the central region. E. G. Ayutthaya, where many thousands of people lost their homes (and nobody really cares) and all major industrial parks are inundated now (the minister of commerce cried). F_U_C_K all the Thai politicians (red or yellow). Bastards!
TIT. This is Thailand.
Giotto
Professional
10-16-11, 20:37
I went last year in the morning, ca. 9 am, to a place just in front of Snow White. I also got face shaved.
I ended up there because I had an hour to kill before getting a decent line up at snow white.Thank you! Do you remember the barbershops name? What was the cost? Location?
Again thanks alot!
El Frances
10-16-11, 21:53
That's nonsense.
Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?
GiottoGosh! It reminds me my philosophy courses!
That's nonsense.
Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?
GiottoThat's why it is smart to offer an incentive. Better service better tip. I think those of us vets can pretty much (although not always) tell about the service level we are going to receive during the interview process.
Does anybody know of a good ear wax cleaning place in Bangkok?"T Massage" on Soi Thaniya. Near the Sala Daeng BTS Station.
Frank Anon
10-17-11, 09:11
Went to Soi Phadung Dao (Soi Texas) China Town, Bangkok recently.
Had a bad experience, got ripped off by a couple of the greedy freelancers, about 50% of the freelancers there are fugly and not even worth 50 baht.
I have to say that the area is a complete mess, but TiT, so not surprising there. Most of the girls there don't seem to be friendly or like farangs that much and just view / see farangs as walking ATM machines (no surprise there either tbh) , the area just seems like it's full of rip-offs and scam artists same same Pattaya.
I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.
Mr Enternational
10-17-11, 11:12
That's why it is smart to offer an incentive. Better service better tip.How does incentive or a better tip get better service? It doesn't. Maybe the girl just sux at sex (although she may not think so, you may think so or vice versa.) If you offer me an incentive to program your computer sure I could turn it on and maybe do a couple of other things, but my service level still may not meet your idea of a "good" computer guy even though I do advertise "Computers fixed here".
Thank you! Do you remember the barbershops name? What was the cost? Location?
Again thanks alot!The only thing I rememebr is that it is in the same soi as snow white, just in fornt, on the other side of the small lane.
Cost was so low, that I don't even rememebr.
How does incentive or a better tip get better service? It doesn't. Maybe the girl just sux at sex (although she may not think so, you may think so or vice versa.) If you offer me an incentive to program your computer sure I could turn it on and maybe do a couple of other things, but my service level still may not meet your idea of a "good" computer guy even though I do advertise "Computers fixed here".If getting anal licking for a tip is better service than you'ld get for the regular price, say 1000B ST, then that's an example of getting better service for a bigger donation.
Likewise if her attitude suddenly changes when you mention a tip or other incentive.
Similary if she suddenly remembers how to do a BJ or has a remarkable recovery from being tired or having a sore jaw. LOL.
Gosh! It reminds me my philosophy courses!Likewise. It seems Giotto is quite the connoisseur in a number of fields.
That's nonsense.
Who defines quality? And how do you know the quality of service if you meet a girl the first time?
GiottoEven after the first time, who's to say she wasn't having an off day, or insuffiently motivated by the customer? YMMV with the same lady, from day to day.
That's why it is smart to offer an incentive. Better service better tip. I think those of us vets can pretty much (although not always) tell about the service level we are going to receive during the interview process.I'm wondering how you'ld tell? I've heard reports of girls doing a 180 in the bedroom from how they are in the bar before the BF is paid. BTW my interviews with SWs usually last about a minute.
We are in the same wave length Oldian, if you treat her like a lady you will get a lady. If you have game and talk to these girls, the reward is amazing.I guess I'm considered a nice guy, but don't think of myself as having any game, yet still find the rewards amazing. In fact, unless I am delusional, better every year.
You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.I don't start the convo with "how much", although sometimes the girls get there extremely fast, but neither do I like wasting time with a 10-30 minute blabathon. From the second I leave my room to returning and making out is sometimes under that duration. 5-7 hours? Too long! Can a woman keep from yaking and be a nymphomaniac for such a marathon.
I do not want her to eat with me in any restaurant or engage in any stimulating conversation, I just want her to fcuk my brains out and then take the money and go away. I pay them to go away after sex, not for sex.Now you're talkin.
I want great sex. I do not want average sex with a great looking girl. I want a girl who looks fine but is great at sex with me.Likewsise, but not easy to get.
In all my experience I am yet to find a really good looking girl who is great in the bed. All the pretty ones tend to be lazy in bed, simply because they can get the mug punters easily through their looks.What guys consider "great in bed" and "pretty" will vary, but I think if you spell out what you want and or offer enough incentives, you can get it, that is great sex from a pretty TG, or even a total stunner. For me great sex involves things like BB, lots of DFK, maybe anal licking or her fingering my ass during mish, multiple positions, BLS, one hour or more BBBJ, being longlasting, not cumming quickly, etc.
Now I know some will disagree but I would counter they do not know what great sex is.
Pretty girl = average sex.I think some of them know, especially if they enjoy sex, even more so if the are nymphos and have been with many different customers from around the world. But average sex is usually the case when it comes to the pretty ones, IME.
How does incentive or a better tip get better service? It doesn't. Maybe the girl just sux at sex (although she may not think so, you may think so or vice versa.) If you offer me an incentive to program your computer sure I could turn it on and maybe do a couple of other things, but my service level still may not meet your idea of a "good" computer guy even though I do advertise "Computers fixed here".It is about money. Discussing your wants and expectations before hand and what you are willing to pay if they are met. Gal tries, tip her. Yes, skill level varies for sure, but enthusiasm and effort I reward.
Crocodilexp
10-17-11, 23:37
Went to Soi Phadung Dao (Soi Texas) China Town, Bangkok recently. Had a bad experience, got ripped off by a couple of the greedy freelancers, about 50% of the freelancers there are fugly and not even worth 50 baht.
Kudos for going off the beaten path, and thanks for the report.
Chinatown area is not for the faint of heart. You ought to have your street wits about and know the going rate (300-500 baht) and the standard procedures. Negotiate hard, go to the place of your choice, never accept upsells (minimal payment is *sometimes* before, but any tip strictly after the act, and at your discretion). If you're sharp but nice, they'll be compliant or quite nice as well (that applies to Thais, the Chinese are always more or less a rip-off with terrible attitude, unfortunately I like their looks).
First time there, I got ripped for 2000 baht for 10 minutes of barely-sex by a cunning Chinese freelancer. Later on. 400 for the Chinese girl, fair amount of pumping (though she wasn't too encouraging). When in the room, watch your stuff while showering, theft happens.
The Chinatown mongering area is not at all like Sukhumwit or Pattaya where we can mostly stumble around, make complete fools of ourselves and still have a good time including GFE (give or take a few baht).
However, if you do know the deal, it can be an exciting experience and an amazing value for money. A 22 whyear old 168cm tall and thin Chiang Rai girl for 500 baht ST (including a competent CBJ using her tongue piercing)? A 28 whyear old thin Chiang Mai mom who was quite cheerful and almost GFE. For 300 baht? Not easy to find that among freelancers in other areas (unless you're truly into southern-Isan / Khmer looks). Service is generally worse than in Farang areas, but at those prices. 50% satisfaction rate is not so bad, especially if you're bored of the usual stuff.
I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.
Agreed here. Unfortunately, there aren't many options anywhere close to as good as Thailand (Angeles City, Philippines maybe, but hassle level and safety concerns there are way too high).
I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.Sorry to hear that. As Thais say,"bad luck for some."
Good work, though, investigating the Chinatown scene. Personally, I just go there for soup. ;)
Sure, it's a little tougher for first timers on holiday, but there are so many women in Bangkok looking for a few baht, it is hard to not find someone decent. My impression of the current Thailand monger scene, (mainly Bangkok & Pattaya), is if you know the ropes (i.e., where to go, what to say, how much to pay), and establish a few "relationships" with managers at massage shops, bars and clubs, you'll have an inroad to a constant flow of new talent. I say, "no thank you," to beautiful young women all the time.
Lately, I've noticed a lot of guys who come here with a combination of "kid in a candy store" grins and "bull in a china shop" attitudes. Finding, and having, a good time is an art not a privilege.
Besides, if mongering in Thailand were too easy, the place would be overrun with (more) yahoos!
You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.All agreed and that has been my observation as well with guys going ST. Nothing more established than a gut feeling on both sides.
I believe respect from Thai women is earned the same as it is in every nationality regardless of how generous one is. The way one comports oneself – confident, compassionate, and funny-manly (all to varying degrees and with timing) AND the unflinching appearance that he is fully in control of THIS situation – that he is open to her taking the lead if she likes but will take it right back and lead the charge where he wants it to go quickly and firmly, and at his discretion.
Went to Soi Phadung Dao (Soi Texas) China Town, Bangkok recently.
Had a bad experience, got ripped off by a couple of the greedy freelancers, about 50% of the freelancers there are fugly and not even worth 50 baht.
I have to say that the area is a complete mess, but TiT, so not surprising there. Most of the girls there don't seem to be friendly or like farangs that much and just view / see farangs as walking ATM machines (no surprise there either tbh) , the area just seems like it's full of rip-offs and scam artists same same Pattaya.
I have to say that the mongering scene here in Thailand seems to be getting worse and worse every month, it really has gotten bad.I have never been ripped off and for me the scene gets better and better.
You have 3 deleted posts by Admin and the rest are pretty much negative. Could be a you problem?
I have never been ripped off and for me the scene gets better and better.
You have 3 deleted posts by Admin and the rest are pretty much negative. Could be a you problem?What time is good to go there? I hope the dark skinned Cambodiand / Isaan girls will be easy to find.
Cheers.
T. 72
You would be surprised at the large number of guys I see come up to girls and the very very first thing they say to them is "how much" as opposed to "sawasdee krup" or "sabai dee mai" or about a million other things one could say which your average girl would far rather hear. I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.Respect always enters in. If you show it, chances are you will have a much better experience and you will be shown it in return.
I'd say that 95% or more of the girls I go home with are usually the result of 10-30 minute conversations, none of which have anything to do with establishing a price or walking around the corner. And the respect that most guys are talking about usually results in the 1-2 hour ST transactions becoming 5-7 hour repeated transactions if that is what is desired.This is a good tip!
Nope its getting better!I think that I am having more great times and less duds through experience to recognise the girl's level of enthusiasm, and since the ISG has been making me aware of the best places and also the places to not bother.
ElHombreContento
10-18-11, 09:25
Met a very nice street walker by nana. I had a very pleasant evening. The sweetest girl you could find. There are alot of girls by Nana Mall standing around waiting to be picked up.
Pay 1500 baht and she spend the whole night. Had braskfast this morning gave her money for cab fare. Overall a great evening.
I am having a great time in Bangkok.
By the way for those worry about the weather, after 3:00 PM the sun has come out and by the look of things it will stay out.
Yesterday no rain.
2 more days in Bangkok and then it off to Pattaya.
Frank Anon
10-18-11, 10:15
Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.
There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.
YMMV
Respect always enters in. If you show it, chances are you will have a much better experience and you will be shown it in return.So be sure to wai a lot and deeply...
So be sure to wai a lot and deeply.Never wai in a gogo bar!
Dash Riprock
10-18-11, 19:37
Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.
There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.
YMMVPerhaps maybe between 'some' farangs and lower classed Thais. As in, newbie farang marries some taxi driver's wife. But even then, it seems in those situations, it's the two Thais who know what the situation is. Otherwise there isn't much of a struggle because the locals hold most of the cards otherwise. Foreigners have to pretty much have to jump through hoops when it comes to most legal and social issues in general. The only struggle I see are foreigners trying to come to terms with their place in the LOS after the 'honeymoon' is over.
Good god prices have not dubbled over the past 6
Years!Is 1500-2500 the going rate
And for how long.
If it is, it sound expencive.
Your reportYou mentiond China town as being a hot spot for the action and you said you got a service for 500.
But you did not indicate time spent.
How much time did you get with the Girl for 500?
Are there any other areas of Bankok that are hop spots?
I know ElHombreContento mentioned Nana; what and where is this?
Thanks,
James
GentleBoner
10-19-11, 03:12
Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.
There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.The longer you stay in Thailand, the less you are wanted by the types of Thais who work in gogo bars and tourist areas. They only want the clueless tourists.
But the respectable Thais will start to want you more.
Maybe the phrase "The longer you stay in Thailand the less you are wanted by the Thai's" actually is true, I'm personally starting to think that it is.
There also seems to me to be a sort of us (farangs) versus them (thai's) attitude and some sort of underlying power struggle that exists between farangs and thai's that I frequently encounter while mongering here in the LoS.
YMMVI think this is somewhat true, but what has changed is the expat "sees the light." When you first come here you are overwhelmed by the "smiles" and the women. Live here a few years and you get an idea of what most Thais really think of you. Most would rather us just not be here.
Was at dinner with another long term expat and an expat that used to reside in Brazil and has lived here now for the last couple of years. He stated that one of the main differences between Brazil and Thailand was in Brazil he had quite a few local male friends once he learned Portuguese. In Thailand none, even though we all speak Thai. That is true for most expats. While I have locals that I work with the only Thais males that I would consider friends are those that spent a significant time in the West, and I don't mean just for university.
There is a huge cultural gap in the way the majority of Asian men handle things and the way Westerners do. Thought processes, actions, etc. It is a gap that is almost insurmountable.
He stated that one of the main differences between Brazil and Thailand was in Brazil he had quite a few local male friends once he learned Portuguese. In Thailand none, even though we all speak Thai. That is true for most expats. While I have locals that I work with the only Thais males that I would consider friends are those that spent a significant time in the West, and I don't mean just for university.It's hard to make friends with people who don't like you. Thais don't like foreigners. Never have and probably never will! Best thing to do in LOS is to focus on the pussy only! Pussy will always make you happy here. Focus on the other stuff and then disappointment and anger begins to set in.
It's hard to make friends with people who don't like you. Thais don't like foreigners. Never have and probably never will! Best thing to do in LOS is to focus on the pussy only! Pussy will always make you happy here. Focus on the other stuff and then disappointment and anger begins to set in.It's hard to make friends anywhere these days. If you have a bad attitude and treat people poorly, then you will attract bad treatment. Everywhere.
If you are a person with the ability to adapt and enjoy new environments, Thailand is as good, and actually, better, than most places in the world. Realistically, most Thai people are too involved in their own lives - (family, kids, religion, food, money, fun, etc.) - to have an opinion one way or another about "foreigners."
I've lived here awhile and can say that I prefer my life in Thailand much more than other places I've lived and visited. People are generally friendly, the food is good, transportation is good, and relationships (friends and lovers) are fulfilling. Nobody said it was going to be easy, though.
If anything, the worst of the Thai lot can be found is the places that tourist flock to. These people are trying to make a living, just like any other place in the world. I think, in general, the foreigners I observe in these places are a lot ruder than the Thais.
If you limit your life and time in Thailand to just "pussy," you will miss out on a lot that it has to offer. Just my opinion. :)
It's hard to make friends anywhere these days. If you have a bad attitude and treat people poorly, then you will attract bad treatment. Everywhere.
If you limit your life and time in Thailand to just "pussy," you will miss out on a lot that it has to offer. Just my opinion. .Yep. Well said.
LittleBigMan
10-19-11, 11:19
Dash Riprock, Goatscrot, Amjeck, Fon Tok,
All of you have very valid opinions no one is right and no one is wrong. I look at Fon Tok and Goatscrot comments and I believe both of your opinions are derived from your experience in different locations and I living here in Pattaya can relate much more to Goatscrot opinions but like always Fon Tok also has a good grasp of the Thai life.
Here is mines I don't expect anyone to agree with it and certainly don't expect me to debate what I have written. It is a general opinion I have derived from living it.
Without going into detail I came to reside in Thailand (Pattaya) for many reasons much different than many of you. I have met some very legit rich Thais but mostly rich not legit Thais. I live modestly here in Pattaya and although not a saint and not born yesterday I came here with a bright perpective and as at home treat everyone with respect the way I like to be treated. I didn't come here looking for trouble but for some reason trouble came looking for me. Maybe I'm cursed or its just the way I look or the way I come across to everyone which makes me a easy target?
I've had many tell me even priest, monks, and expats they have never heard anyone living here have so much bad luck. Through my experiences I have learned a lot about Thais and how they view farangs and me in Pattaya only! I was born and raised in the USA can pass for Thai, Japanese, Korean at the same time I have many advantages I also get discriminated by Thais just like you whites guys and get discriminated by white farangs living and visiting Pattaya. I live among the poor to middle class Thais although I don't have much I'm like a millionaire to those around me but I don't flash or throw it in front of others especially the Thais. I eat Thai and pretty much live a Thai life. I'm known to everyone as having a good heart and will feed any kid who comes into my home while their parents are working.
But in the end I've been taken advantage, ripped off, etc. At one point I slapped and pretty much was thinking payback to those regardless of who they were. I was told by one Thai " that you can't live safely in Thailand " I took that as a threat and struck before he could just like how a Thai would have responded. But what I expected even surprise me? I was taken aback that what I did was unacceptable but if I was Thai it would have been the normal or expected or I wasn't a man or I would have lost face. But because I was a outsider there was a different standard, a standard for a Thai and a standard for a foreigner.
Sorry have to end here but will return later to complete hopefully?
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