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Now THAT'S wisdom!
Yep, non-pros are in the end always more expensive than the pros.
Happy New Year
euro
Wandering Fool
01-01-06, 06:29
My main objection to Help is that I thought the women there were mostly skanks and that the quality women were found in the termas. Hence my assumption that it was for newbies. However, since you posted those recent photos, in the Photo Gallery, of the girls you picked up at Help, I may be willing to reconsider. They were choice indeed! I'll give Help another try on my next trip to Rio, although I really don't like staying up that late; I've always been an early riser. Which is another advantage of the termas, you can get laid early, a few times if you want, then go home and go to sleep. Maybe I'm just getting old.I've taken many Termas girls out of Help! They go there on their off nights. on the weekends and sometimes after work. I've gone over there with several of the girls from Centaurs after they closed. They can be found.
The upside to the Termas is that much of the filtering has been done for you by the owners -the base level is pretty good. Help also has the winners, but you need to really search each night. The upside to Help is being able to take the girls home -my hotel room is still my favorite place for shagging!
Wandering Fool
01-01-06, 12:05
Doing a trip to Rio and going to Help everynight like I do is like working the night shift. In order for me to function and be semi awake at 2 or 3 in the morning I need to take a nap in the evening.
I usually hit the beach about 11 or 12 noon. Lunch on the beach from one of the sandwich girls, a few beers then Meia Pataca about 5 PM. Then I go to sleep at 7 or 8 PM and sleep to 10 or 11 and sometimes midnight. Shower, dress, dinner then enter Help refreshed and ready for that next lucky lady.
This last trip to Rio I had several numbers of non pros who when I spoke to them wanted to meet and have dinner with me between 7 and 8 PM. I met one for dinner at that time and it threw my whole schedule off as I missed my nap for the most part and when I hit Help at 1 AM I was not in my best form and made a bad choice plus I was exhausted. I threw all the non pro numbers away and kept to my original schedule that works for me and had a great trip.
This demonstrates hardcore mongering! But lest I accuse you of anything, I am guilty of similar on both counts. I've thrown out non-pro numbers so that it wouldn't mess with "the routine". I also develop a pattern similar to yours that puts me eating dinner right outside Help during the midnight rush. There's something so pleasantly decadent about enjoying a nice lamb or chicken dinner while picking your next prey from the beauties filing into Help. If I see a real beauty lingering before entering I have the oppurtunity to approach her to say hello (and maybe get her number right then).
I even have, on a few occasions, plucked a girl out from the waiting crowd and before entering, taken her back to the hotel for a quickie shag before heading back and entering Help. A tip for Cheapos: don't actually go back to the entrance of Help with the girl you just shagged, she'll expect you to pay her entrance fee. I will share a cab back with them but then say goodbye at the curb, telling them I'm going to look for a friend outside or get a drink.
Rio Bob, maybe we need Help (pun intended) ? Naw, I think we're just efficient mongers.
Johnny Darko
01-01-06, 15:45
Just my 2 reals
It is useless to try and set up a contrast and comparison of termas and FKK.
I tried to do so last July/August in my mind (I put a small report here and in the FKK Palace section) but was going bonkers remembering my experiences at both joints. Going through the days at the Termas and Fkk so as to try and see the advantages and logistics of both was driving me mad. I do not want to go through it again. Today, I agree wholeheartedly with EURO100's posts on the matter. If Germany and Brazil was exactly the same number of km from where I live I would choose Rio 4 out of 5 times. Why? Because Brazilian girls at termas can give you PSE, GFE, and also be genuinely friendly (I am not naive guys and I hope that you know what I mean).
But it is, of course, best to me a millionnaire and hop from one terma to FKK and back. In my dreams baby :-)
Johnny
Does anyone know of a cyber cafe in Rio, prefereably Copacabana, that uses voip calling technology. Just looking for a way of not being able for a call recipient to trace the call back to Rio, Brazil using caller id.
Your help is appreciated. Thanks
One Eyed Man
01-02-06, 06:46
Last year I saw a sex show at Frank's bar (Av. Princesa Isabel, 185B, Copacabana, on the border with Leme). Straightforward multiple-position sex, though with none of the Thai acrobatics. Interesting to see, but Frank's is a ripoff joint (if you don't watch your drinks, the experience might cost you more than pumping a girl yourself). You might wanna check it out for the pure novelty of it, though.Yes, the live sex show at Frank's is still going strong. A partner in crime and I went to Frank's last Wednesday at 11:30 p.m., and as were guided to out table, a guy was plowing a girl from behind on center stage. The rest of the night's entertainment consisted of a couple more male-female acts, a male-female-female act (the girls weren't really into it), and an all-female dance number. Between shows and for a while afterwards a topless girl danced on a small stage. By 2 a.m., the show was over, most of the guests had left, and the strippers were in their civilian clothes and disco dancing on stage.
The place is pricey, to say the least. We just ordered beer, and were brought a bucket with 6 Skols, and the check was R$120. (Clearly, much of this was a cover charge for the entertainment.) My buddy went to the bar to buy a Smirnoff Ice for the girl that was hanging on us, thinking it would be cheaper, and handed the bartender a R$50 bill and got no change back! (It's probably one of the special, overpriced girl drinks.)
One Eyed Man
01-02-06, 08:16
Introduction
I booked a five-day stay in Rio, leaving Christmas Day and returning New Year’s Eve (major blunder, I know, not staying through NYE, but it was too late to change.) Due to bad weather at home, I missed my connection in Atlanta, getting on the later São Paulo flight, which led to my luggage being completely lost amid massive finger-pointing between Delta and Varig. I essentially wore the same clothes for five days, having waited a couple of days for my bags, trying to shop for replacements, and then essentially resolving to suffer for the remainder of my trip. I used Bubba Boy’s updated guide, as well as “Rio for Partiers,” which also found to be excellent.
Arrival
The tip about going upstairs to the arrivals level to catch a cab works like magic. Nobody messed with me downstairs, and upstairs was empty. Taxi to my hotel was R$35, and the driver was thrilled to get a fare back to the city. I stayed at the Parthenon Queen Elizabeth (be sure to pronounce it like a Brazilian—“Partenon Haina Elizabet”—or people will seem not to understand you at all.) The location is perfect—located in very-safe Ipanema, just a few blocks from Copa and the beach at Ipanema. Ipanema seemed very safe, since just about every building had a doorman. The hotel was nice and clean, the rooms were suites but small, I thought the furniture was cheap, and I didn’t realize I had Internet access until the day I left. I don’t think I’d stay there again, since I like a higher level of pampering, and I wouldn’t feel comfortable bringing a girl back, since the front desk area is very small, and women often do night duty at the front desk. I also was out of sync with housekeeping—the guy that usually cleaned my room came by at noon (when I was getting up), or about 3:30 p.m. (when I was back from my morning rounds.) Upon arrival, I immediately went for a walk down Avenida Atlantica, past Help, etc., etc., almost all the way down, dressed in jeans and a polo shirt. I stuck out like a sore thumb, but nobody gave me a hard time. Had a couple of Skols at a beachside stand, and man, did they hit the spot.
Centaurus
On Tuesday, still optimistic my bag would arrive, I went for a walk on Ipanema's main shopping street, Rua Visconde de Piraja. The juice shops were fascinating, with an amazing number of juices of fruits you’ve never heard of plus yummy sandwiches. I wish I had taken more time to learn the fruit names –it would have led to a better time at the juice bars.
Centaurus is literally around the corner from the Parthenon. Based on Bubba’s comment that the girls start working in stages and are generally there by 7:00 p.m., I went at 7:30. The place was packed! In hindsight, I think this was because it was two days after Christmas, and the Brazilians couldn’t get away from their families until then. That made the check-in process a little irritating, since many people were trying to enter and leave at the same time, and the Brazilians don’t seem to put that much importance on the virtues of standing in line, and of course native Portuguese speakers got faster attention than first-timers like me.
The thermas are a paradise on earth for men. When you enter, the place looks like a chichi spa. After you pay, you take your arm bracelet and put your things into the locker with the same number, which also usually contains a robe. (Don’t worry if you need a bigger robe [like me], just ask and they’ll give you one.) There is a female attendant in the locker room, but there only were girls latching onto you one of the three times I was there, and it was annoying. After the locker room, you pass a room with showers, toothbrushes, etc., and saunas, and enter the boite.
I thought the girls at Centaurus were the most beautiful of the three thermas I visited (Centaurus, L’Uomo, and 4x4). I think 7 p.m. is the best time to get there, when the whole complement is present. There was a large element of chance which girls I took back to a room, since I usually wanted to be left in peace for a couple of minutes when I initially got there, and after that time, the next good one usually got me. Everyone reading this should be warned: Brazilian women wearing next to nothing are basically irresistible, and your jaw will drop the first time there. You will pretty much have your pick of the girls, since it seems many Brazilians drop by after work for a couple of drinks, but are mostly gone by 7:30 p.m. Still, I found very few that offered a true GFE at this place. After our session, one girl excused herself to approach other customers, which I understood. In a second session with a girl that had given me her phone number the time before, I had to really insist firmly to get a BBBJ. I had hoped that the girls would be more generous, but it really seems that you have to interview the girls and get them to commit to certain services in order to receive them. Next visit, I am really going to take my time in finding my dream girl.
One more comment: there are no clocks in the thermas (like in Las Vegas), and you can seriously lose track of time! If you have to be somewhere, wear a watch, since time will fly by, especially after a few drinks.
I have had my luggage lost in the past while traveling. Now, whenever I travel on a plane I take a carry on with a couple of changes of clothing in there so that I have at least 2 days worth of clothing with me.
My bags were lost on a flight to the Bay area, and were never found until after I returned home. They were actually sent to someone else that lost there bags also. The man that received my bags called me to tell me that he had my stuff. The thing that amazed me was that the airlines did not do the same thing, just call using the number on my tag......go figure.
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CaptainNemo
01-02-06, 20:36
It is my experience that FKK girls give better BBBJ in general. There is money involved. If you blow it, 50e more for the girl. There was one time, I blowed it after 30 seconds with this Romanian girl. This was my third session so I was not loaded. I don't know what she did, it was too good to hold back. FKK girls work hard to get you blow it. I have a very hard time to control it. It was fun after I was totally spent to have a FKK girl to blow me. I told her that She could earn 50e more if she work hard. Man, she indeed works very hard.
I have not met a Brazilian girl working this hard to get me off quickly. Sometime, it is more positive experience.
Insider info read in the blog of Evelyn Angel (she used to work at Centaurus and Barbarella) GDP from Help:
12/23/2005
"A Help ta bombando, mas o que me chateia é que em plena semana do Reveillon, essas meninas de pista (as que trabalham na Av. Altântica) entram lá, com seus suados 32, 00 reais e "bagunçam o nosso plantão" literalmente!
A gente geralmente essa época do ano cobra 500, 00 ou 600, 00 e elas entram lá e saem por R$70, 00 ou R$80, 00, vê se pode!
Ta todo mundo falando isso, fora o festival de gente feia que fica lá dentro. Afff! Ontem eu acabei saindo por R$250, 00, que eu já acho muuuito pouco, e o coroa tava achando caro, pois uma já tinha combinado R$100, 00. "
For those who can't read porto, I won't try to literaly translate (my english is poor), but I can give you the general idea:
"Help is loaded, but this is a shame that the street workers are fucking it up. They pay the 32R$ of entrance and they just ask for 70/80 R$ to get out when everybody should ask for 500/600 R$ for the reveillon's week. All the regular girls are really upset and talk a lot about it, and the girl's quality is really down. Yesterday I went out for 250 R$, which I think really small with someone who told me that he had already dealt for 100 R$. "
Feliz ano novo.
I will be in Rio in about 2 weeks (16Jan2006). I would like to know how the Brazilian women (Cariocas) feel about being photographed or video taped nude. Is this request often declined or is there a proposition for an extra fee for this? Do the women mind being videotaped while having sex?
Full Throttle
01-03-06, 19:18
I'm surprised you ended up in those places after reading the Argentina forum.
I've been doing both countries 50/50 lately, and I don't think the contest is quite the blow-out you think. I know it helps that I have been going to BA for a long time, now, and have many ex-pat friends there, but the BA experience CAN be top notch.
That said, I'm beginning to believe that the all-around girl experience in Brasil is superior. But, there are 5 great places to go in BA for evey one rip-off joint like Black or Madaho's.
FT
Sunset Strip
01-03-06, 20:18
A member said: "You get complacent when you are in brazil because you can bang a hot girl anytime you want, but if you go somewhere else to break the monotony, you will be crying to go back to brazil"
You are probably so right! When I visited TJ, Mexico soon after a trip to Brazil I left without choosing any women because nobody I saw could measure up to what I had just had in Brazil. And trust me I used to bang 3 or 4 a day in Mexico (which is kind of necessary given the 20 minute short time/40 minute long time program they run). I sent a friend to Rio and he did the same thing when we returned to Mexico.
For now it seems the majority here think that we have found the best place to monger, Rio/Brazil, and that we should not worry about going elsewhere because it "don't get any better than this! "
Perhaps when Cuba opens up we can actually have a rivalry between Rio and Havana.
TJ
Sunset Strip
01-03-06, 20:24
I usually take digital photos and video tape women while in Brazil. None have had any problem with me doing it. Most will let you take photos of them in various stages of dress and undress. However, some may not like you taking photos of them HAVING sex.
I never hide the video camera and two women have gotten out of bed and turned the camera around.
I think you should start out by taking still photos and then progress to other stuff. Doing so tends to get them into the mood to model. Just keep telling her how pretty she is and act real appreciative.
I will be getting some no panties shots from girls in clubs and bars in Jan. I will post some here.
TJ
well i've been here in rio copacabana for about 6 days now and cant say i have really enjoyed myself. not sure what all the hype is about. i went to helpee a few times, the quality of the chicas varies from night to night (same as any night club i guess). the general attitude of even half decent non-pros isnt really encouraging either, and im not an ugly guy. the really hot chicks or with a half decent ass (but minging face) 'know it' and dont look back or smile. nothing here to get me excited. but im still yet to check out a terma but for the life of me i cant decide which one. i need something local, easy to find where i can walk to from copacbana.
i had such a better time colombia/cartagena, the vibe then was awesome in comparison.
Yep, non-pros are in the end always more expensive than the pros.
Happy New Year
euro
When I landed in Rio this last trip I had about 5 numbers of women I chatted with from match.com in the Rio area. They lived near the airport, Niteroi, Barra and Recreo. I met the girl from Barra and she was nicer than my expectations of her, I met her for drinks and dinner in Sao Conrado but the first night i didn't even try to bed her but I knew I could on subsequent nights if I pursued.
The problem was that she would not come to Copacabana, she said it was too dangerous. I felt it too much of a hassle to be hiking out to Barra or Sao Conrado. Too much time and money with taxis plus expensive restaurants.
You would think the sex would be better with the non pros too for all the extra effort as they are with you because they want to be not because you are paying them. Well my experience is that all the girls I have pulled out of Help have been hotter and for the most part younger but not always and for the most part the sex has been better even when i payed for it, go figure.
Not only that the sex was better with the pros but after your finished with them they leave like perfect ladies. The non pros no way they keep calling and calling and calling and yelling obscenities in the phone at you if you don't call them again, geeeeeshh it is very disturbing and a pain when you have to turn your rental cell phone off and can't receive calls anymore.
They are almost definately not worth the hassle, it is so much easier to work the night shift at Help or the termas if that is your thing as it is very simple to move on to the next one without getting a song and a dance.
Rio Bob, maybe we need Help (pun intended) ? Naw, I think we're just efficient mongers.
On my last trip I ran into a young guy who was at Help but ended up at help after partying all day drinking, he was so drunk and exhausted that as I mentioned before he got taken for 1000 dollars by signing a credit card reciept that he couldn't understand.
I like to drink (red bull and whisky) and have a good time but you must have your witts about you or otherwise someone will try and take advantage of you for sure there, they are just waiting for the oppurtunity.
This last trip I turned down a garota at Help who was all over me because I thought she was working with a guy I met on the beach during the day, an American who is now living there, someone who left the states in a hurry. After she was working on me for an hour a light went off in my head that this was too easy and I was being set up, I asked the guy if he met her here by accident or did he call her to meet us here. His response to me was Im not here to rob you, I told him that Im glad that we are on the same page and passed on the chick. One never knows but my intuition told me to pass on this one and i did.
Wandering Fool
01-04-06, 07:47
Joe Francis said,
"You get complacent when you are in brazil because you can bang a hot girl anytime you want, but if you go somewhere else to break the monotony, you will be crying to go back to brazil"
You are probably so right! When I visited TJ, Mexico soon after a trip to Brazil I left without choosing any women because nobody I saw could measure up to what I had just had in Brazil. And trust me I used to bang 3 or 4 a day in Mexico (which is kind of necessary given the 20 minute short time/40 minute long time program they run). I sent a friend to Rio and he did the same thing when we returned to Mexico.
For now it seems the majority here think that we have found the best place to monger, RIO/Brazil, and that we should not worry about going elsewhere because it "don't get any better than this!"
Perhaps when Cuba opens up we can actually have a rivalry between Rio and Havana.
TJTJ,
I had the exact same experience as you. I had been to TJ before ever visiting Brazil and thought I had found the pinnacle or mongerdom. I just went down for one night while visiting friends in SO Cal. It turned into 4 nights in a row, 3-4 girls a night. I was blown away. While browsing this site for TJ info I read about how great Rio was and how some mongers said TJ couldn't compare. I checked out Rio and knew immediately it was a whole different level. After 4 trips to Brazil I ventured back to Adiledas in TJ one night. Alas, I could barely find a girl I liked and when I finally settled on a few I was so underwhelmed with their mechanical factory like service and the short times alotted that I resolved not to return. I was forever ruined by the Termas!
I had such a better time Colombia/Cartagena, the vibe then was awesome in comparison.
Could you elaborate on this a little more, Kingrolo? I will be in Cartagena in a couple months and am just curious to how it stacks up against Rio, in your opinion. El Austriaco also wrote up a good comparison on the Cartagena board, so I'm just trying to see what other people who have been to both cities think. Have read some pretty good things about it, so I wanna get there before it becomes the next Rio (if thats possible).
Trippleecks
01-05-06, 18:56
Kingrolo ....... If you went to Rio, especially during the holiday, expecting to meet non-pros you’re a fool... If you don't speak the language and are not staying around for a long time you will never have any luck with non-pros. Did you expect every girl you saw on the streets of Rio would be throwing themselves at your feet..
Some of you guys crack me up...........
Why don't you go over to Blameitonrio4travel and book a tour. I took the helicopter around the Cristo, that was a good time. Try hitting a Samba school, the dance program. Also, take a trip to the strip clubs, they are not real wild but there are some nice ladies to choose from. Lastly, get to the TERMAS, TERMAS, TERMAS.....Centaurus, 4x4, Luomo, Monte Carlo...just ask for a termas.
If you do not like doing things alone, go over to Meia Pataca, and sit around til you meet someone, tell them what you would like to do. Many of the guys are very helpful and will give you some tips. Just choose your company carefully. I personally did not mess with the guys that are living down there trying to hustle guys. However, there are many guys that travel to Brazil frequently that are very helpful.
You cannot wait for your trip to happen. You have to make it happen. No way in hell all the bunda has suddenly disappeared.....Loosen up, have fun, and get some of that Brazilian bunda. Also may want to go over to the internet cafe and look up some of the escort sites. There are some nice ladies on the site. Sometimes going out and getting laid will get the juices and the imagination flowing.
Happy Bunda Hunting
El Austriaco
01-06-06, 21:32
Could you elaborate on this a little more, Kingrolo? I will be in Cartagena in a couple months and am just curious to how it stacks up against Rio, in your opinion. El Austriaco also wrote up a good comparison on the Cartagena board, so I'm just trying to see what other people who have been to both cities think. Have read some pretty good things about it, so I wanna get there before it becomes the next Rio (if thats possible).
Since I loosely compared GIG and CTG in the Cartagena, Colombia section, I thought I’d write a more detailed comparison between the two cities here for those who might be looking into an alternative destination:
1) Rio de Janeiro is a huge, sprawling metropolis, with somewhere between 7 million (the official number) and 12 million residents. Cartagena is much much smaller, with roughly 2.5 million people living in its metropolitan area and about 1 million in Cartagena proper. Rio has nightlife and entertainment options comparable to that of any other major international city, while due to its size, those of Cartagena are more limited, although not bad. Rio has carnival, the biggest party in the world, while Cartagena has the Miss Colombia pageant (plus in Barranquilla, two hours from Cartagena, the second-largest carneval in the world, BTW). Edge for Rio.
2) Rio features some of the most famous beaches in the world (for the activity on them, not necessarily for swimming), while the beaches in Cartagena are nothing special, particularly by Caribbean standards. Good beaches are available within a few hours of both cities (Buzios, Angras dos Reis in Rio, Islas del Rosario in the proximity of Cartagena). Edge for Rio.
3) While Rio has numerous tourist attractions, they are somewhat limited in Cartagena once you’re done with the Walled City. Rio as a city offers you enough to explore for months, while after a week in Cartagena…. Big edge for Rio.
4) Colombia, especially Cartagena, is much closer to the US than Brazil, and therefore, travel time is shorter and air fare might be somewhat more economical. For travel from other countries, the difference in air fares might not be all that much, after all, especially coming from Europe. When I went to Barranquilla in 11/2005, plane to/from MEX was roughly USD 710 (with fare to CTG directly about 860 bucks), my ticket to Rio 02/2006 through 05/2006 set me back exactly USD 810. Go figure. Edge for Cartagena.
5) While Colombia is certainly not risk-free, Cartagena is no problem for the average tourist and not affected by FARC activities at this point in time (which is what gives Colombia its bad reputation). As a big city, Rio has big problems, although with a combination of common sense, an extra dose of precaution, and good local intelligence as to what to do and not to do, chances are that safety will not be too much of an issue in Rio de Janeiro, either (see my earlier safety report http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=321607&postcount=257). Edge for Cartagena.
6) Weather-wise, both places can get pretty hot and humid at times. Cartagena is located, well, in the Caribbean… and it sure feels like it. Still, I’ve been to worse places. Even.
7) Non-pros: personally, I’ve found it much easier to connect with girls in Colombia over the Internet than with Brazilians (and I speak both Spanish and Portuguese fluently). I think this is mainly due to the fact that boards like www.Amigos.com and www.cybercupido.com cater mainly to the Spanish-speaking crowd and attract people from a variety of Spanish-speaking countries, while Brazilians tend to congregate more in Portuguese-only online forums. Also, girls who do not speak any English might find it much less troublesome to find a foreigner speaking Spanish than one speaking Portuguese. Over the years, I’ve established contact with perhaps ten Brazilians or so on Amigos.com, compared with virtually hundreds of Colombians. Actually meeting non-pros once you’re there also seems to be somewhat easier in Colombia (the girls are just incredibly friendly, and once again, to meet non-pros in Rio, you need Portuguese). Edge for Colombia.
8) Variety of looks: as the main tourist attraction in Colombia, Cartagena attracts girls from all over the country and has its fair share of caleñas (generally dark morenas/black), paisas (light morenas, blonds) and costeñas, of course. Rio, while also attracting girls from all over the country, tends to be mostly mulatas, with a fair share of everything else. But then again, Rio might make up for this by sheer numbers of girls. Even.
9) Overall looks: I am mostly into dark morena, mulata, and black girls, and there sure isn't a shortage of those in Rio. Overall, I still got to say that Colombia is easily in the same class as Rio and might actually even be better. For me, Brazil, Venezuela, and Colombia are truly in a class of their own in terms of great-looking woman, with no other place I've been to even close. Man, are those Colombian chicks hot. Even (perhaps even a slight edge for Colombia).
10) Rio has P4P sex available 24/7 for all budgets and all mongering styles (Help, the outdoor Copa places, high-end Zona sul termas and cheap centro places, escort agencies). Cartagena has La Dolce Vita (like a mini-Help) and freelancers on the beaches and not a whole lot more. There is no such thing as termas in Colombia. There are places with on-site facilities (i.e. brothels), but not really many. Mongering is difficult around the clock in Cartagena since LDV starts late, and letting the girls find you on the beach might not be everyone’s cup of tea (I, for one, prefer to find the girls myself, so the MP/Balcony option works well for me during the day in Rio, and I have not yet found a similar place in Cartagena). Slam-dunk edge for Rio.
11) Whether in Brazil or in Colombia, P4P sex is hardly ever unsatisfactory. Brazilian girls might be just a tad more accommodating in terms of your personal preferences, though. BBBJ seems to be the norm in Brazil, somewhat less so in Colombia, though not uncommon when you ask for it, for example. Slight edge for Rio.
12) While many girls in Rio and in Cartagena speak enough English to close the deal, in case they don’t, I think there are more mongerers that speak or are at least able to communicate the basics in Spanish than in Portuguese. While written Portuguese may not look all that different from Spanish, spoken Portuguese, especially the variety in use in Brazil, can be quite tricky for novices. Slight edge for Cartagena.
13) At current exchange rates, prices for TLN and ST are similar between Cartagena and Rio de Janeiro. Of course, Rio has gotten more expensive with inflation and the tanking dollar, though the dollar has also dropped quite a bit compared to COP (Colombian Peso). Prices are easy to compare: 1 USD = approx. R$ 2.30 = approx. COP 2,300. In other words, R$ 150 would be equivalent to COP 150,000. I’ve heard the horror stories about Help girls asking for R$ 300 for TLN, and from what I read here, banging a girl for an hour at any of the gringo-frequented termas will also set you back R$200 to R$300 these days. At these rates, you can definitely pull some incredible stunners in Cartagena. On the other hand, in Rio, you can do girls for as little as R$ 15 or 20 once you venture out of the touristy area, and there’s nothing like this in Cartagena, as far as I know. Slight edge for Cartagena.
14) Bringing a girl back to your hotel shouldn’t be a problem in Rio or in Cartagena. In both places, the girls generally need to show ID and register at the front desk, and depending on the hotel, there will be a surcharge. High-end hotels in Rio may have a no-guest policy, while in Colombia, I’ve never heard of this. Needless to say, plenty of cheap love motels are available in both cities. Even.
15) In terms of AIDS rates, both Colombia and Brazil are at exactly the same rate (0.70), only slightly above that of the US (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate). Even.
Well, those are the most important issues I can think about right now. Final conclusion for me: if I had to pick one place, I'd still say Rio de Janeiro. Great nightlife, some of the most famous beaches in the world, tropical rainforest in the city, panoramic views that will make your jaw drop, the biggest party in the world (Carnaval), great musical tradition (samba, bossa nova, chorinho) and P4P available 24/7 for all budgets. And the cariocas are just awesome. Never seen any place like it, and I doubt that I ever will. While Cartagena sure can not compete with Rio in terms of availability and choices of P4P, it is a very worthy travel destination, especially if P4P is not the only thing you got on your mind. But even if it's purely for mongering, you should definitely check it out for a different taste that doesn’t have to break the bank. For non-pros, Colombia might be actually better than Brazil.
EA
Under100Pesos
01-07-06, 02:49
Wow.very good report.I just returned from living in Rio for a year and a half.Then went to Cartagena for four months. Was going to write a comparison of the two cities,but you nailed it.Well done!
Thank you so much my friend for providing us all a very well written post!. Very very good job and I feel very beneficial to anyone debatiing making a trip to Cartagena or to Rio. I cannot tell you enough how much I enjoyed it!
Thanks for the report, I'm considering to go to Columbia and this helps out a lot. I think I will venture down to Col. for a few days to see what's going on. Great report man. Keep up the good work.
Carlos 91
FULL THROTTLE
You say there are 5 great places for every ripoff joint in ba-can you please clue me in as to which places these are? I'm making my 4th trip to rio in late march & to jazz things up I thought I'd drop into ba for 4-6 days. The more I read about ba, the more I wonder if I'm going to be heavily disappointed. I read the best action is tue-thurs.-what's up with that?, the best clubs get going @1am & you have to buy the girl a $20 drink plus pay $100us to get laid, the coffee shops have a bunch of mediocore looking 35 +yr. old bags hanging out in them, the apartments have 2-3 girls available-fair looking at best. What's the attraction here? What am I missing here? What & where are these great places you know about?
Please help a monger in need
Shemp
Did both cities for the first time last October. Here's my $0.02... landed in BA and found the food great and cheap but that's where it ends... the people all looked depressed like walking zombies, the women are nothing to gawk at, and the only girls in the clubs come from foreign countries anyways and demand high prices (though me and my bud tagged one in a club for his b-day for 60euro).
After four days I had enough of BA and don't plan on returning... Rio was the total opposite - like night and day... Rio people are happy and smiling (guess they realize from birth they're poor and strive to enjoy life to the fullest vs. the Argentinian's had it socked to them a few years back), the women are beautiful and come in all shapes/sizes/colours, and well 60 euro can go alot further in Rio if you so desire!
One Wing Low
01-08-06, 18:21
Bs As feels safe and civilized. The stars in Madaho, Black and Solid Gold will want US$100 for ST. The girls at the clubs in Centro are usually older, not so good looking and want US$50. There are lots of restaurants everywhere, especially on Ave Florida. They are very competitive and very cheap.
I picked out a few girls at the cafe Exedra on Ave. 9Julio. They were not the best looking but their services were good. They were very friendly and civilized. Their rate was 70- 100 pesos for ST. The Paraguay girl I picked out of Cafe Orleans turned out to be a cold, ugly, angry biitch, a total turn off. I called one of the escort services in Bs As that listed beautiful girls in its web site. They sent over an older, homely woman for 100 pesos. I declined.
Bs As is sort of bland. To select girls, Bs As does not have as much ease, availability and quality as there is in Rio.
Rio is an unsafe place. There are homeless people sleeping everywhere, even on sidewalks outside the Copacabana Palace hotel, which is supposedly the exclusive place in Rio. Mongers reported being robbed by knife-wielding thugs on the crowded Avenida Atlantica. Everybody looked but nobody did anything to stop the robberies.
One rainy night I got out of the internet cafe right behind the Copacabana Palace after midnight. There were half dozen people still hanging out there. I walked half way down the block, suddenly a tall black guy appeared out of nowhere, grabbing my shirt, dragging me around, mumbling incomprehensibly. I tried to escape unsuccessfully. At the same time there were other guys converging. I had to forcibly knocked his hands off me and ran like hell. As I learned later, I could easily have been knifed or shot. I reported the assault to the cops. They sent over a few squad cars and searched the area. Next day they posted a few squad cars, flashing light. I could sense the cops' hopelessness being overwhelmed by crimes.
On the other hand, I went all over Rio sightseeing in daytime in buses and subways without ever feeling any threat. The people went out of their ways trying to be helpful. Their directions are usually wrong, but they want to help you anyway!
BTW the food in Rio is very good. Excellent all-you-can-eat Churrascarias only cost 10 reais. The availability and quality of girls at Help is excellent. There are hundreds of girls inside and outside of Help. Quite a few would rate a 10 in my book. Barbarella also has a lot of good-looking girls. Their rate is about US$100. I called Karla models. They sent over a very nice girl for US$30 for 2 hours. She stayed the entire afternoon. She was very nice, young, pretty and sweet.
The termas in Copacabana, like Luomo and Centaurus, have many girls that would rate 10's. They are very nice, fun and service-oriented. I did not have time to try 4x4 in Centro, I understand it has 100's girls, many good looking for cheap.
Rio also has more locations for sightseeing. Overall, Rio is more exotic and exciting. It may make sense to avoid walking the streets at night and use taxis as much as possible. Go to termas. Observe and select nice and pretty girls hanging out in the restaurant outside of Help where there is good lighting. Agencies like Karla Model or CIA Plus list actual photos of the girls. Some of them would rate 10's. Make a prioritized list of the girls and order them out. This is a safe and sensible plan for me. I will repeat.
One Eyed Man
01-08-06, 22:20
The people went out of their ways trying to be helpful. I found out that their directions are usually wrong. They want to help you anyway! That just reminded me something my college roommate had told me, who had spend a year studying in São Paulo. He said that, when asked for directions, Brazilians will give you completely wrong information just to avoid the embarrassment of having to say they don't know. Be warned.
Oi to all. I have been in rio for the past 3 months and have a bit of info to share. I live about 5 minutes form Help disco and can view the zoo at Help anytime.
I will start with the termas
Centaurus - 40 min, Nice and expensive, I have been once. I think it was R$300-310. Girls are extremely aggresive. When you walk into the locker room , one or more will grab you and hang on for as long as possible. I do not like that to much, compared to the other termas. But, a few girls were really nice, out of 40, maybe 10 really nice, the rest, not a nickel better than any other terma.
Monte Carlo- Current price is $R250, 40 min,several nice girls, again 10 of forty are better than average. Very crowded now.
Solarus- _R$250, 40 min, same about 10 top level out of 50.
Luomo, It is my favorite, but the price is now $250, vs the old price of $r210 fro 40 minutes. ask for Duda or Adriane, both nice , tall and slender. Both speak english.
4x4, Nice place but very busy. current price is R$210 for 1 HOUR, best terma deal in Rio. As others know, it is a R$20 ride from Copacabana each way, so you do not save much money but you get a ful hour, lots of girls, but the quality of most is suspect, again , I always find 6-10 that are wonderful. Melissa, a blond with a killer body is worth mentioning.
Help, the inside is crazy now, much busier than in September. The prices inside are crazy. Many times you are quoted R$300 fro and hour, once I even heard R$350 fro an hour. As the others have said , try to make the best deal you can, but I think 200 is the minimum now inside, outside all bets are off, but the prices are a minimum of $150 at night, and I think 150 is tough to make happen early at night. 100's of girls inside and 100's outside. The problem with help is that you are competeing with europeans that will pay to much for the 5 nights they are there. I do not blame them, the prices are better than most places in Europe and if you see a nice one you should pull the trigger and not look back, it is a long way to travel to save 100 reals per night. So, the nice looking girls get what they ask for. I notice that many really hot ones go straight for the guys over 60, they have money and they do not screw around. Simply, Bam, lets go to my hotel now attitude.
I will give a complete rundown on ecorts and privates later. There are some gems in the privates in Copoacana. For example, it is very possible to get 30 minutes for $R30 in several houses, and 1 hour for $R50. These places vary from 30-50 per half hour to 50-100 per hour. You have to sift through a lot of garbage to find the gems , but they are there. You need to speak some portuguese to work these places, and several of them are terrible, Just walk away if they are bad.
One cutie is listed as Anabellela at destack.com.br She is about 5'0 tall
She is very cute and has a great body, $R40 for 30 min and 80 for an hour, thats a bargain in Rio.
RIP OFF ALERT - Two girls woking out of Balcony Bar, one is dark haired ANNA, long straight dark hair, and the other is PAULA, very blonde hair , which is rare for Balcony, They are both, white, cute and attractive. They always sit together, and work together, they offer Duplo, and they do not offer shit for service. In a way I was very lucky. I wil not waste good space with the details, JUST STAY away from them. In over 50 -60 experiences in Rio since September, these two are truly the only full fleged rip off I have encountered. AVOID THESE TWO LIKE THE PLAGUE.
Do go to the beach and sit in front of the Rio Othon Palace, this is where the pros are and they are not hard to spot. If they have their top off, definitely go say hello.
As reported before, always try to get phone numbers fro Help girls for the next day. You will save a ton of money and have more fun.
I will post some Help number later, as I ma now at the Hilton in Wash DC waiting to go back to Rio and then I will have numbers to post.
Newspaper is good, but you need to speak portuguese, a little bit.
My next adventures are to explore the privates in the centro, i think thare are hidden gems to found there.
If anyone lives in Rio now or will visit soon, send me a message and I can shares some insight with you over a choppe.
Tchau
ibiza
To be fair to Buenos Aires though, it is a much more enjoyable place to spend time in my opinion. Is there really much more to Rio than the mongering? In my opinion not really.
Ha? Excuse me? but doesn't Rio have Ipanema beach and Copacabana, isn't this what your supposed to do when your on vacation is go to the beach?
I have never been to BA but it has always been explained to me that there is nothing else to do there during the day like Rio which has the beach.
Monte Carlo- Current price is $R250, 40 min,several nice girls, again 10 of forty are better than average. Very crowded now.
Solarus- _R$250, 40 min, same about 10 top level out of 50.
Luomo, It is my favorite, but the price is now $250,
I don't get it, 40 minutes in a cabine with the woman of your choice but for about the same price, maybe less and maybe a little more you can have an escort sent to your room for 2 hours, this makes much more sense to me. And for the same price maybe a little more you can get an all nighter from Help to do what you want for 8 to 12 hours. I’m not being critical but it’s just good to see that we all do Rio in many different ways.
One rainy night I got out of the internet cafe right behind the Copacabana Palace after midnight. There were half dozen people still hanging out there. I walked half way down the block, suddenly a tall black guy appeared out of nowhere, grabbing my shirt, dragging me around, mumbling incomprehensiblly. I tried to escape unsuccessfully. At the same time there were other guys converging. I had to forcibly knocked his hands off me and ran like hell.
This is extremely unfortunate and I am glad for you that you did not suffer much from this experience but the Golden Rule in Rio is Do Not walk at night alone in the back streets, Period. Not even on Av Atlantica, always take taxis and your security should be better, thats it, I learned this the hard way too and now I always take a taxi and never have a problem.
El Austriaco
01-09-06, 11:30
4x4, Nice place but very busy. current price is R$210 for 1 HOUR, best terma deal in Rio. As others know, it is a R$20 ride from Copacabana each way, so you do not save much money but you get a ful hour, lots of girls, but the quality of most is suspect, again , I always find 6-10 that are wonderful. Melissa, a blond with a killer body is worth mentioning.
Off the top of my head, I can think of at least two centro termas that offer significantly better deals, 502 and MV 30. So 4x4 sure isn't the best deal in Rio.
As to R$ rides from Copacana, just learning how to use the metro will take care of that. 2$50 from Siqueira Campos, for a total damage of R$ 5.00, as opposed to the R$ 40.00 you mention for a cab. Big difference.
EA
Full Throttle
01-09-06, 15:38
Guys,
I love both places. When I first read Francis' stuff, I thought, "What an idiot." Then, I read his an other's criticisms. There is some validity to what they say. If you got stuck in Excedra and Orleans complimented by Black and Madaho's for your entire vacation, you would leave thinking BA girls are either ugly or ridiculously expensive. My buddy's first trip to Rio, he only went to Meia Pataca in the day and Help at night. His impression of Rio was completely skewed.
Obviously, there is an entire forum dedicated to BA, so there must be SOME appeal. Here is the basic scene in as brief a format as I can manage:
AM-Evening
1. Apartamentos/ Departamentos
-Perhaps 50-70 known to int'l mongers, unlimited to locals
-Price $24-$50, full hour, room sex
-2-12 girls
-typically internet girls who stage from there hoping for the high-price phone call, but settle for the steady income
-Girl quality 4-9, typically many 6.5-7.5's
-Tip $3-$7 for BBBJ. Anal usually included if available
-Strategy: they are relatively close together, especially at BA taxi rates. If you're not happy, move on until you are!
2. MP's
-Similar to above except a "real" massage is offered
-Massage $20-$25, CBJ $14 extra, BBBJ may/may not be available, but no extra, sex $20 premium over the original massage price, CBJ included
-Girls similar to above in quality, although you may find younger/prettier.
-Strategy: Use the madam for help in determining who gives the best massage or whatever you are up for.
Noon-Evening
Above plus Orleans
Orleans is much panned on this forum. The reality is that there are 5-6 gems among 15 girls, on average. I'm surprised that someone had a negative experience, because the lighting in Orleans is bright and revealing.
-$70 for an hour+ is very easy to negotiate. Similar price for more time possible, less money a little more difficult for the good ones.
-No management oversight, so BBBJ and other things MUST be discussed/negotiated up front.
-Girls vary from 5.5-8.0. 7.0's easy to find. I'm NOT including the handful of older girls ("Maduras"), because they don't represent what most here seek. They cater to a specific fetish/preference.
-Strategy: Pre-screen like crazy.
Evening-11PM
Oddly, the slowest part of the day. The Thermas bridge this time gap in Rio. No such animal in BA. Anyway, the apartamentos and Orleans are open. The internet girls are always available. There are GREAT local happy hours at legitimate places.
11PM-4am
1. High-End Clubs (Black, Madaho's, Shampoo)
-Sporadic or continuous strip shows.
-$20 cover, $10 drinks.
-$20-$30 chica drinks. One required for exit.
-Girls will start out at $300. Will usually settle for around $125 for 1-1.5 hours. Additional time is problematic because the house monitors chica time away, and will fine them.
-Services generally reported good, with major exceptions.
-Many dozens of girls to choose from.
-Girl quality rated 7-10 among guys who insist on frequenting these places, lower among those of us who think it is more illusory than truly high quality.
-Total tally for 1 drink for you, 1 for her, and time with her, roughly $200.
-Strategy: Enjoy these places, but keep an open mind for the other choices.
2. Mid-level Clubs (Cattos, Hook, Ness, Jaz, CuttySark, etc.)
-Very sporadic strip shows.
-No cover charge, but beers are now $7.
-Chica drink, required for check-out and encouraged for very fun test drives is now $14, I think. No less than $12.
-12-25 girls each establishment.
-Girl quality 5.0-8.5. Age range 20-30.
-Good service and BBBJ is virtually assumed. They ARE accountable to management.
-Chica price $50-$75. Time 1-hour to all night. 2-hours easy to negotiate for that price. If you take a girl before a certain time, all-nighters may require an additional drink.
-Strategy: Test drive! Assume you are going to take the girl first, then buy her a drink. Move upstairs or to the back room. Test dfk, feel for body firmness, and just have fun! If she fails any test, you still had a little fun, and you can shop some more.
3. Low-Tier Clubs (Flores area, Envidia, Doly's)
-$5 entry, includes a 600ml beer.
-Additional beers $3.50, I think.
-Chica drinks, $7.00, I think (note, "I think" always follows things I learn after midnight).
-Number of girls 25-75.
-Girl+Room 30 minutes $24, 1 hour $40.
-Girl quality 6-9.
-Girl age 19-25.
-Easy to find 7.5's.
-Places that cater to locals, so the ratio from guys to girls becomes high late.
-CBJ standard and difficult (for me) to work around. GFE's not that common, but not without precedent.
-Strategy: Midnight is the best time. All the chicas are there, but few of the Portenos.
PLEASE SEE ATTACHED PHOTO. Girl from two nights ago.
4. Excedra
-Indoor/Outdoor coffee shop (and beer)
-In the last month, the quality has been relatively high.
-There are a few hideous creatures. So, what?
-Prices $50-$70.
-Again, no managerial oversight.
-A lot of immigrants (twice, I've been there during INS checks).
5. Kilkenney's and other non-pro/ semi-pro hangouts
-percentage of working girls now fairly high at this Irish pub on steroids. Loud and crowded.
-Low cover and medium-high priced drinks for a legitimate place, but the atmosphere is good.
-No standard pricing/quality, since it attracts such a large cross-section of people.
6. Newport
-A late-night bar/club in Recoleta.
-I met the absolute love of my life there 5 years ago, but the stories range from that to very, very bad.
-NO management oversight.
-Jackson believes only girls who have been kicked out of the managed clubs go there.
-Strategy: Pre-screen, then pre-screen some more, then screen. Never, ever, ever pay up front. Lock your belongings and bolt-up the mini-bar. Again, this is anecdotal information as my only experience there was f-ing awesome.
So, that's my summary. A couple of final recommendations:
-If you don't read about a place on the forum or have it recommended, assume it's a clip-joint.
-Stay in an apartment in Recoleta (I have some good recommendations) rather than a hotel.
-Consider staying at the Mansion for a couple of days. Captain Dave is great, to speak with about all things, and, if you're not a prick, he will show you around town. I would not recommend spending all of your time, there, as it's nice to be downtown once you have your bearings.
So, a bottom-line comparison? Well, you just can't beat Rio, but I'd hate to miss out on either one.
FT
Note: Attachment is Celeste of Doly's. My 19-year old, $24 girl.
Exec Talent
01-09-06, 15:42
FT,
Great info. Thanks for posting and your private PMs also which have been very helpful.
Full Throttle
01-09-06, 20:47
This came in a PM, but I think I agree:
// I think you painted too rosy of a picture of the Bs As mongering scene. If a guy from Rio, used to terma quality, goes to Bs As to the cheaper boliches, I think they would be disappointed.//
The terma environment is my absolute favorite, and I would not want to imply that the boliche (dance club) scene competes. The NICE termas are practically untouchable for quality of girls and enthusiastic service.
FT
BA is ok, but one must remember it is not fair to compare a middle weight to what is the ultimate heavy weight champion of the world-Rio
I could not have said it better Bubba Boy. I have been to both BA and Rio several times, and damn, Bubba, WELL PUT!
Yo, I had a great trip, not many pros but I met five great regular women. Banged all of them except 1. I passed on the smaller cities because I did them earlier last year. I love the north, great sites and travel stories. Brasil is incredible, great women. I met some tight women.
Liucio,
We would all love some photos of your adventures.
RonnyRon
Carlos Primeros
01-10-06, 06:23
El Austriaco - you are right - I paid last night in MV 30 140 Reais.
20 girls from 5 - 9. Went with a nice mulatta, BBBJ, two wholes. Good service 40 minutes. Facilities are not so nice but ok.
Carlos
Full Throttle
01-10-06, 13:04
rio bob, the great thing about the termas is you dont have to take a girl to the cabin for 40 minutes...
Or, another way to look at it, you get a lot of the mood setting and foreplay out of the way before you take her to the room, so 40 minutes is plenty of time! My last trip, I bet I spent a net of 6 hours lip-locked with one girl or another out of 12 hours.
People complain when L'uomo's is crowded and the rooms are occupied. I think that's perfect, because you have to wait 40-50 minutes for a room. ALL of that time is spent lounging around acting like you're on your prom date.
FT
The termas are wonderful for your ego as well. It never hurts to have a 20 year old honey tell you how bonito you are and at the same time she is stroking your ego she is stroking something else. These places are as close as most of us will ever get to having a "Playboy Mansion Experience". Where else can the average guy hang out in his robe with almost naked girls for an hour, or more, and drink serveja and watch brasilieras dance
(which is a treat in its own right). As close to heaven as it will ever get for an average guy.
They are a bit expensive, but it is fun to flirt for an hour or so before you go to a cabina. And as was said before, very few surprises about shape and size of the booty. WSIWYG. And it is nice see ask a few questions up front, such as oral completo, completo, etc. I have recently been asking more about using condom for oral and several girls at 4x4 said they required this. I am glad I asked before we went in, I passed on both girls and they were really cute... I still think most girls will perform oral without condom, but I was surprised when two in a row at 4x4 said it was required.
Bottom line for me is the termas are a fantasy land, for pure sex there are other avenues that maybe better, but it depends on what your intent is; to be spoiled, treated like a king for a couple of hours, and to have your ego (and unit) stroked about how hot you are, or to have sex. For sex, call an escort, buyer beware, they tend to gain 20 lbs in the taxi.
If anyone has some good escort recomendations please send to me. One really good one, nicole from CIA plus, has moved. And I have sent several back from CIA plus. In general I have had bad luck with the agencies, but I know there are some gems hidden in these agencies.
Christine from Destack.com.br is really nice, not beautiful, but nice and an A+ massuse. $R100 per hr.
Also try marelene from the newspaper, oglobo classifieds, her apartment is on prada jr. She speaks nada english. $R60 per hour in her apartmento.
I also recommend Annabella from Destack.com.br . Vey cute, 5'0" tall , locate in a private on Princess isabella. $R80.00 per hour , no holes bared.
The good thing about these privates is the price, the bad thing is the atmosphere, it leaves something to be desired. The sex is a good as anywhere, but remember these girls are getting banged 6- 10 times a day, that is one main difference between these girls and other that charge more.
Their lips are just as soft for a BBJ , and you will cum just the same, but if you go in the evening, it could be their tenth of the day, just the facts of life in Copa.
their are plenty of girls in Copa that advertise on the net for $R100 per hour with two hours at $R150. That seems to be average in Copa for internet girls, the prive houses on or near Princess Isabella are usually less, but not always.
For flat out sex, call Leyla from Hotside,com.br. $R100 per hour and she loves to fuck, non-stop. But she is ahed to reach sometimes, she does speak good english for you travelers.
I would love to hear about any good prives in centro or MP's in centro that are good.
I am living in rio if anyone wants to meet for a beer. Send me a message anytime.
Ibiza
Or, another way to look at it, you get a lot of the mood setting and foreplay out of the way before you take her to the room, so 40 minutes is plenty of time! My last trip, I bet I spent a net of 6 hours lip-locked with one girl or another out of 12 hours.
People complain when L'uomo's is crowded and the rooms are occupied. I think that's perfect, because you have to wait 40-50 minutes for a room. ALL of that time is spent lounging around acting like you're on your prom date.
FT
I didn't do as well as you guys on the women. Its not easy getting p*ssy in Brasil, contrary to what most say. Just not easy. It requires time and w/time your not getting a 9 or 10. I failed on the photos, but not on the women.
I'm just a visual sort of guy. Like I told one of my old girlfriends "Get FAT, get your own damn HAT!" I enjoy the photos my man, but by all means continue...
The Corn Hole
01-11-06, 20:03
BA is ok, but one must remember it is not fair to compare a middle weight to what is the ultimate heavy weight champion of the world-RioI'm with Francis and all the other BA dissenters. Had my first trip to BA last August and it was mildly dissapointing. Not really sure why so many people rave about it but Jackson's dedicated a whole website to Argentina so there's probably more info than any other country. The pros there are colder, more mercenary and don't like to do all nighters and any above average escort is in high demand and charges too much . Non pros don't seem to be as possible as in Brazil. In fact the only non pro I met there was a paulista in a cafe and after talking with her for only a few minutes I was done with BA and was longing for Brazil. Rio is way more advanced in the p4p arena. Just about the only thing BA has that Rio can't offer is safety for the traveler and ethical cab drivers. I never felt threatened at all walking around the city at night, at 6'4 265lbs and a purple belt in Brazilian jiu jitsu I feel completely vulnerable walking around Rio at night and it would be idiotic for ANY gringo to feel otherwise.
After 5 days in BA I thought I had done all there is to do there and don't see a return visit in the future.
Carlos Primeros
01-11-06, 20:56
I do not think that the comparison of Rio and BA makes real sense.
BA is so sofisticated, great architecture, excellent restaurants, good theaters, something for laid-back people which love sofistication and a cultured life. Rio is the jungle, wild, with wild GPs (with all the GFE possibilities) whereas in BA it is more the calculated cold p4p where you will never ever have this GFE experience.
Both cities have their pros and cons - just select what suits you.
I for my part love Rio, Buzios, Angra, Salvador etc., but from time to time BA is a change.
Carlos
Happy to report that 4x4 has really upgraded the staff, I went there tonight and wholly shit what a difference a month can make. I went before Xmas and it was slow and the girls were OK. It was certainly the A team on full tilt tonight, The other times I have been there, it was good, but tonight was the best I have ever seen, Out of 50, 25 were really nice and the other 25 were not bad. they must have cleaned house a bit. I ran into a girl that moved there from Centaurus, her name at Centaurus was Paula, if anyone knows her. She is a part time model in Rio and Sao Paulo, I have seen her pictures, they are for real. She is 5'8" skinny as a rail, a stunning face, and fucks like a rabbit. She goes by Camila at 4x4.
In previous trips to 4x4, I truly was not impressed, but now, I would rate 4x4 as the best in Rio.
If anyone is in the area now I highly suggest a trip to 4x4, if even just to look, and I am sure most girls will give a private number , as 4x4 does not work on the weekend and they have time for freelance. It is funny that I ask these girls what they tell their parents they do for work, they all have the same answer, BINGO , half the girls in Rio must work at the Bingo Parlour, or so they tell Mai and Pai.
Also went to MV30 today for the first time, I was really down on the place when I went in, but as time went by, it got better and then came Erica. Nice looking, not a stunner, but extemely fun and loves her work. Total cost $R200, $R10,00 entrada, 1 hour cabine, $150, and 8 drinks at 5 each. Erica and I had a few Choppes, even had them delivered to the cabine, nice way to spend an hour.
Speaking of delivery, I was at Christine's -massagista- casa one day (see destack.com.br) and she called the pharmacy to deliver 3 condoms, in 5 minutes, there they were, I also see very often my local bar deliver beer, 2-3 bottles to my apartment bdlg, what a great place, you can order food, beer, condoms and pussy and never leave your casa. God bless Brasil...
Update - I saw one of the rip off specialist working in front of Help tonight, I live near there and was walking by and saw her alone on the sidewalk in front of Help, She goes by the name Anna, long dark black hair, BE CAREFUL, she will rip you off.. if you meet any white girls with long dark hair, at help or Balcony ask if she is Anna.
I've lost my appetite for these hard core women. I just don't have the tolerance the pros. I was in Barbarella's at 2am and I have women leaving my table when I decline offers of $R250 for 2 hrs. The game is too hardcore now. Now its who can f*ck that dumb Americano first. I got tired of the women I met because they want to be taken care of without giving up ass. They run this "I'm innocent game" and and it works well for a day or 2 but I need the ass. Any I violated some of my own rules on this trip. I did come back to the states with money in my pockets. Now, my trips are more travel and discovery. My last trip may be in March then I want to start mastering Columbia. Yo, keep reprezintin the pic gallery and do yourself a favor and head north 4 a minute.
Luicio,
I hear your pain. I have been in the same boat as I bet many of the brothers here. I gave up on the 1-2 hour sessions long time ago. I am always trying to maximize the most i can get for money spent. Hence, If I know a girl wants 250, I will try to get the most out of the 250. That works with the girl who wants the 100, and the one who asks for R$400. I am dealing in longer term deals, all nighters, and just a few (3-4) hour sessions. It is the only way I can see to make it a win win.
Regards!
I understand what people are saying about BA. It is VERY safe, and the cab drivers are Mother Theresa compared to rio.Hell, Jesus would get ripped off by the cab drivers in rio... .Maybe I've just been lucky / unlucky: The only place on this planet where I've been "ripped off" by a taxi driver is BA (I got some fake notes in exchange when I paid for the taxi - unfortunately didn't have proper change with me). Whereas in Rio I've been riding cabs safely. Sometimes they don't want to put the meter on (late at night, outside of "tourist attractions" like Help, Barbarella, etc.), but then I've simply stepped out from the taxi and stopped the next one (and the first driver didn't shoot me in the back).
These are current as of today.
The machine print out says 2.29 per 1$, 662.00R = $289.56, that is good info , but here is the truth, my online bank says in USD that $298.24 was deducted, so the comissiom is around $9.00 for the currency exchange. Around 3 %, so I guess that is fair.
The best ATMS are HSBC, as they give a print out, but as you see, the print ot you get does not relect the real exchange rate. I would guess it is always about 3% less than the rate on your receipt.
I checked several receipts and it is always similar. Just an FYI, also, most Brasilian banks do not have ATMs that will work with international ATM cards, for sure HSBC and certain machines in Banco do Brasil locations will work.
Houston Player
01-13-06, 01:21
Ibiza, I believe that it is your bank charging you the 3%, not HSBC.
Are you using an ATM card or a credit card? On my last trip I made three withdrawals with my ATM card, two from HSBC and one from a different bank and I was never charged any fee. My online bank matched the HSBC receipt exactly.
These are current as of today.
The machine print out says 2.29 per 1$, 662.00R = $289.56, that is good info , but here is the truth, my online bank says in USD that $298.24 was deducted, so the comissiom is around $9.00 for the currency exchange. Around 3 %, so I guess that is fair.
The best ATMS are HSBC, as they give a print out, but as you see, the print ot you get does not relect the real exchange rate. I would guess it is always about 3% less than the rate on your receipt.
I checked several receipts and it is always similar. Just an FYI, also, most Brasilian banks do not have ATMs that will work with international ATM cards, for sure HSBC and certain machines in Banco do Brasil locations will work.
This commision that they charge is outrageous, this last trip of mine I brought mostly cash and got good rates at the various cambios in town but when I used an ATM I was charged the same commision rate also. Cash is King.
Speaking of delivery, I was at Christine's -massagista- casa one day (see destack.com.br) and she called the pharmacy to deliver 3 condoms, in 5 minutes, there they were, I also see very often my local bar deliver beer, 2-3 bottles to my apartment bdlg, what a great place, you can order food, beer, condoms and pussy and never leave your casa. God bless Brasil...
One time I was in restaurant Dom Camillo on Copacabana and I told the manager that I had a headache, he had the pharmacy deliver headache medicine for me to the restaurant, I took it with a glass of wine and I was fine.
Happy to report that 4x4 has really upgraded the staff, I went there tonight and wholly shit what a difference a month can make. I went before Xmas and it was slow and the girls were OK. It was certainly the A team on full tilt tonight, The other times I have been there, it was good, but tonight was the best I have ever seen, Out of 50, 25 were really nice and the other 25 were not bad.
A few good caiparinhas always works wonders. Cheers and enjoy it.
I was wondering if there were mongers heading down to Rio the end of next week. It is not only my first trip to Rio, but also my first solo mongering trip. I'm a frequent flyer to the Pink Palace in San Jose CR but I'm looking for a change and I have the FF miles to go for free. First of all if anyone wants to meet up for drinks definitely PM me. I'm 31 years old, not unattractive, and like to party. I'm hoping I can find some Rio experienced mongers to show me the sights of Rio(I'll buy the drinks!!) This is my last mongering trip for the next year as I just took a new job Feb.1st and I don't get vacation for the 1st year so I'm going all out. Also I'm looking for a hotel somewhere by the beach in the center of the action that is reasonably priced. Most of all they must be girl friendly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'll be in town from Jan. 20th to 29th. Thanks
I double checked this tonight, either HSBC or my bank, is charging the commission. But when I use the same cards at Banco Brasil the rate or USD amount is not provided at all, so you really never know what is going on..... Player- is your bank HSBC in the USA?
What is important to remember is that somewhere, somehow, a fee is being collected. Even if your receipt matches exactly to your account, unless you are in the FOREX business, with access to a minute by minute rate schedule, you will never know if they charged you, 2-3% or what ever. Your slip may say 2.20 (220 reals) and deduct $100.00, but the interbank rate will be 2.31 and at that rate you should have had $95.00 deducted for 220 reals (example, do not check my math. ) The reality is that all banks charge fees, someway somehow, they never work for free. It just depends how they hide it. I do believe that cash gets the best rate, without any hidden fees. but harder to find cambio all the time, and not as safe as ATM.
Maybe this is just my banks, US Bank and Wells Fargo, curious to know if anybody else has noticed this.
Even with my Wells Fargo card, where my online bank matches the dollar withdrawl exactly, I will never know what the interbank rate is, so just because it matches my account does not mean I am not paying a commission on top of the $5.00 and the currency exchange fee (usually $1.10 - $1.55) each transaction, it is just looks like less fees. It is good to be the bank, they always win and I have never heard of them losing in these situations.
None of it really matters- Go to the ATM, get reals, spend reals, get more reals..... repeat many times.
Regarding your comment below, I never get charged a FEE when I use HSBC, but the amount deducted is always more than the slip says. HSBC always makes me feel good to see the rate, but it means nothing, concerning comissions charged. Only HSBC will ever know what they pay the day I am getting reals. And I am sure I am not getting the rate they are. If I moved about $400,000,000 a day in currency and I would get a better rate than the slip says. The currency market is the largest traded market in the world...
I am using debit cards, and I use them alot, every couple of days.
I am going to check some receipts from Earlier, like in November and see what they say.
Ibiza, I believe that it is your bank charging you the 3%, not HSBC.
Are you using an ATM card or a credit card? On my last trip I made three withdrawals with my ATM card, two from HSBC and one from a different bank and I was never charged any fee. My online bank matched the HSBC receipt exactly.
Houston Player
01-14-06, 02:48
Joe, Here is a PM I sent to Ibiza with my take on Cambios.
Ibiza, I am answering you in a PM instead of an online post because I am only a regular member and it takes too long for my response to be posted. Also I noticed we were having this discussion in the Rio reports thread.
I use a small local US bank that was recently bought out by Regions Bank. I don't know anything about Regions Bank. I have a no frills free checking account with a debit card (I think this bank actually calls it a check card) for use in Brazil.
I was last in Sao Paulo in November and the best rate I got was 2.23 which I checked online as the best rate I could have gotten that day. I know that all these banks have to make money on their transactions and they get better rates than what are posted. However when the internet says that days rate is 2.23 and my HSBC receipt for R$1000 says 2.23 and my bank deducts $448.01 out of my account at least I don't feel like I got ripped off.
I agree with you about cash getting the best rate in Rio. However in Sao Paulo I get a better rate from the ATMs than the cambios are paying for cash.
Member #3411
01-15-06, 14:05
Also I'm looking for a hotel somewhere by the beach in the center of the action that is reasonably priced. Most of all they must be girl friendly. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'll be in town from Jan. 20th to 29th. Thanks
I have stayed at Rio Roiss last May. Right in the middle of action. It was girlfriendly. You can either book a double (no guest fees) or book a single and pay as you go (if you slip R$25 to the night guard, its all fine). Booked it through ipanema.com
Carlos3000
01-17-06, 15:47
I've been in rio since sunday and it seems prices have gone up 200% since my last visit in June 2005. Even mediocre looking girls in help are asking R$400. One GP even patronized me with a R$100 `discount` for R$300. Another was indignant that I had countered with R$150. Needless to say I passed on all offers I went home by myself. Apparently, there are people (supposedly Americanos) paying these prices as I saw girls leaving with guys.
Please somebody tell me that I'm not crazy.
Exec Talent
01-17-06, 18:30
There is no reason for anyone paying R$300 - R$400 for even the above average Help girl. Right now, there are way more girls than there are guys here in Rio. I have been looking for an apartment to rent long term and it is a buyers market. Rio is just not that busy now.
As I mentioned on another thread, I met a girl at Balcony Bar who was a 10 on anyone’s scale. 22, beautiful body, flawless face and teeth who spoke excellent English. She was asking R$100 for 2 hours and $200 for all night. She would be perfect for a lot of guys who speak no Portuguese. She told me that she also works at Barbarella and Help. If she is asking R$200 for all night, I have a hard time understanding why someone would pay $R400.
I double checked this tonight, either HSBC or my bank, is charging the commission. But when I use the same cards at Banco Brasil the rate or USD amount is not provided at all, so you really never know what is going on..... Player- is your bank HSBC in the USA?
Maybe this is just my banks, US Bank and Wells Fargo, curious to know if anybody else has noticed this.
I thought all credit cards are now charging 3% overhead on all foreign exchange transactions. My Visas fro two different banks did last summer.
I've been in rio since sunday and it seems prices have gone up 200% since my last visit in June 2005. Even mediocre looking girls in help are asking R$400. One GP even patronized me with a R$100 `discount` for R$300. Another was indignant that I had countered with R$150. Needless to say I passed on all offers I went home by myself. Apparently, there are people (supposedly Americanos) paying these prices as I saw girls leaving with guys.
Please somebody tell me that I'm not crazy.
The answer to this question depends upon the reason you went to Rio. If you went to Rio to go home alone like you did, then you are not.
I went experimenting yesterday at Mia Pataca ( sp?) I went there and actually ate lunch, just as an experiment. I walk by there very often and have heard that it is a good place to find nice garotas. Ok. So I sat down and there were about 30 girls, I ordered lunch and a choppe and waited. First girl that comes over is a mother of 3 and not extremely attractive. She says it is her 3rd day on the job, and she has been at help 3 nights in a row, No luck so far for her at Help, 0 for 3 nights. So, I ask her how much for 2 hours, without blinking she says R$250, I almost choked on my beer. I explained to her that if she did not seriously consider $R150 or less, her children would be very hungry. She could not believe what I told her.
Second girl, nice looking , skinny and spoke good english. For short time 1.5 hours, etc she said $R250 and would not budge. I said no thank you today, maybe a different day. SHE SAID, NO, another day was not possible as I had not taken her offer today. Fuck You, *****.
I have seen a change since September, when I moved here, that is one reason I go to Help very seldom. In September, it was possible to get a Help girl for $R150, now think it would be difficult, even Balcony girls want R$200, if your portuguese is good you have a chance, if not it will be tough.
The last time I went to Help, in December, $R250 was the minimum out of any girls mouth.
I am curious to poll the members on what they feel is the current help price structure.
In my mind, I think the $R150 price range is generally not realistic, everyone is different for sure. At 3:00pm things may change, but at 1pm, prices are very high. Even non-atractive girls want high prices.
The last girl I went with from Help patio was very cute, but she started at $R400 for TLN and I offered $R250 and started to walk away, a minute later she came running and said it woulld be OK. The next day at noon, I paid her and she whined about wanting an extra $R20 in gas money for her car, she has a $R40,000 new car. We drove it to my apartment. She told me her credit card bills are about $R4,000 per month.
The biggest problem I have with Help, Balcony, etc. girls is that you have to experiment and try the water with them, and half of them are not fun, exciting or good in bed. How many guys have had serious surprises at your hotel? Like stretch marks, sagging breasts, scars, etc., these are the unknowns of Help. Unfortunately, you have to take the good with the bad and keep on keepin on. It is tough out there. I would say that less than 30% I would ever have a second go with. I f you find a gem, stay with it.
i prefer the terma girls, no nasty surprises. They usually really like to fuck and you can see their ass and tits before you decide, you get a better feel for compatability, etc. Then if you have a good experience , get a number. I complained to the manager at 4x4 about a cute girl named Estella, we went to the room and she phoned in, then she took off for ten minutes to do something, I was pissed. So when we were finished, I told the manager what happen and he charged me for 40 min , not 1 hr. Customer service!
I would like to hear others thoughts on prices and surprises encountered.
Ibiza
The answer to this question depends upon the reason you went to Rio. If you went to Rio to go home alone like you did, then you are not.
Trippleecks
01-18-06, 15:27
Ibeza, I never go to Help or MP or any of the other street pickup places any longer..
I have been telling you guys for a LONG time now.. Use escort services and pay 150.reais - 200.reais for 2 hours.. Why you people continue to complain about Help and MP is beyond me... Stay away from there a for a while and see how the prices DROP..
GabrielPontello
01-18-06, 17:11
Ibeza, I never go to Help or MP or any of the other street pickup places any longer..
I have been telling you guys for a LONG time now.. Use escort services and pay 150.reais - 200.reais for 2 hours.. Why you people continue to complain about Help and MP is beyond me... Stay away from there a for a while and see how the prices DROP..
I totally agree
Help/similar shitty places are rip offs because, even if the girls didn't set any price list, they use the same criterion to calculate their rate
I guess their ranking is (in order of descending price):
americano/north european
latin/south european
from other countries
as soon as they hear you speaking portoguese, they reduce their request or head up to some easier fish
so then, I personally prefer to get an escort from an agency (some of these, making a 100R/2hrs. policy, have excellent talents and a large variety of girls) and avoid the farm market along the AV. Atlantica
if you don't speak any portoguese, you might make a great pick in some termas and agree with the girl an extra-time outside, when she's free
termas and Help/Balcony girls usually speak some english and this language skill normally pulls the price up
I noticed that the prices are normally higher between the end of the year and Carnaval (high season)
I have honestly to say that, on the other side, in this period of the year there's a larger choice because a lot of frees go to Rio to make some money and take advantage of the huge number of tourists
Exec Talent
01-18-06, 19:03
Escorts certainly are OK from time to time, but I pay termas girls and Help girls alike on average $R200 for all night which usually means 2:00 - 3:00 the next afternoon. During that time I not only have had a GFE experience on many levels but also usually sex 2-3 separate times. A steady diet of escorts to me would be one level above jerking off.
Pure Power
01-18-06, 19:40
I will be going to Rio in late April early May. Are thease good times to be in Rio? Are there still plenty of girls around? I just dont want to go there and not have a nice selection to choose from.
Well, with a little help from my fellow mongers, I'm finally all set for my first trip to Rio. Ibiza 007 got me set up at the Princess Copacabana. I'll be there from Saturday to the following Sunday. If any fellow mongers want to meet up for a cocktail, send me a PM. I started the coundown at 100 hours but knowing Jackson, by the time this gets posted I'll probably be there. J/K Jackson!!
Houston Player
01-18-06, 20:02
I don't always agree with Exec Talent but on this point about escorts versus Help and Termas girls I completely agree.
Carlos3000
01-19-06, 00:06
Escorts certainly are OK from time to time, but I pay termas girls and Help girls alike on average $R200 for all night which usually means 2:00 - 3:00 the next afternoon. During that time I not only have had a GFE experience on many levels but also usually sex 2-3 separate times. A steady diet of escorts to me would be one level above jerking off.Exec Talent, R$200 is reasonable price but R$400 is outrageous. I suspect a cartel with help girls. There seems to be a deliberate effort to move the price point to at least R$300 from the current R$150-R$200. I agree with you, the only solution to a cartel is choices and relationship building.
The prices in Rio are higher in Dec. Jan. and Feb. every year. It isn't just for girls but for everything-hotels apartments airfare etc. I think the girls figure this is their big chance to cash in and charge the highest prices because so many inexperienced tourists are passing thru who don't really know the usual fair market prices. When 100 dollars equals around 230 reals, then 300 or 400 reals is too close to prices here in sex prison.
Also, remember that when you are interviewing the girls they are interviewing you. Questions like is this your first time here?, where are you staying? are meant as a way to find out your level of experience and how much money she might be able to shake out.
And usually the better her English or ability in another language is, then the more experience she has in dealing with rookie mongers. She can afford to ask more because she can communicate, while many others can not. It is better to try to learn some Portuguese, then have the option to bypass the veteran English speakers.
Escorts certainly are OK from time to time, but I pay termas girls and Help girls alike on average $R200 for all night which usually means 2:00 - 3:00 the next afternoon. During that time I not only have had a GFE experience on many levels but also usually sex 2-3 separate times. A steady diet of escorts to me would be one level above jerking off.
I use escort services on occasion, usually on my first day in Rio just to get into the swing of things. I usually get to my apartment, put things away, change money, get some things for the fridge then late in the afternoon I call an escort to come over for 2 hours just to break the ice then I take a nap get up and go to Help. I would hardly say that these girls are one level above jerking off as I have had some real hot ones and some real stunners.
Another situation where I use escorts is on rainy days in Rio, its nice to be looking out the window with nothing else to do having a couple of drinks and have a beautiful girl delivered to play with for a couple of hours.
Most of these girls depending on the agency would not step foot in Help or any of the cafe's on Av. Atlantica, they consider the girls who frequent those places as trash. Most lead normal lives and some have boyfriends and go to regular clubs with their friends who don't know what they do for a living.
Generally I like these girls from the agencies and if they are nice I usually have follow up dates with them without the agency, it works out nice.
IThe last girl I went with from Help patio was very cute, but she started at $R400 for TLN and I offered $R250 and started to walk away, a minute later she came running and said it woulld be OK. The next day at noon, I paid her and she whined about wanting an extra $R20 in gas money for her car, she has a $R40,000 new car. We drove it to my apartment. She told me her credit card bills are about $R4,000 per month.
I would like to hear others thoughts on prices and surprises encountered.
Ibiza
The last time I was in Help some girl tapped me on the shoulder to talk and we went upstairs to see if we were compatable or not, we spoke about many things and she told me she had a big house in Brasilia, 2 kids and makes 90,000 reais a year in the profession. Ok she is not making that on 150 reais a night, just do the math and factor in the menstration period. This is a far cry from the minimum wage many bring up here as the reason that these girls should only get 100 to 150 reais, your not going to support a family in Brsail on their minimum wage. I actually passed on this one, there was just something about her I didn't like plus she had the 2 kids.
Look everybody who goes to Brasil has a different situation, some guys can only go for a week and others may have a month or more. Personally if I only have a week I am not going to go home alone because of an extra 20 or 30 dollars, it just doesn't make sense to me. Why fly all that distance and argue over a few bucks, just doesn't sound like fun, I have seen these guys in Help standing around at 3 in the morning looking all drunk and depressed while I have Britney Spears on my arm for an extra 30 dollars and we are having a great time. Of course if you are staying for a month or more you can afford to sit out some nights and once in a while get lucky with a nice one for a cheap price bottom fishing and waiting them out till they are desperate .
One Wing Low
01-19-06, 04:47
IGenerally I like these girls from the agencies and if they are nice I usually have follow up dates with them without the agency, it works out nice.
Hi Rio Bob,
Agencies like Karla Models screen the girls and list their real photos in their web sites, so you know exactly what you are getting. They also provide far better services because they are accountable to the agencies, unlike the club girls who tend to hit and run.
I got a girl from Help, 200 reais for TLN. She looked really good inside with the poor lighting. Outside, she looked horrible. I followed through with the deal anyway. I should have bolted. It's far better to grab the girls outside Help where you can see them clearly.
When we got back to the hotel, her dress had been hand sewn together in the back to fit her! She also had a large patch of brown fur on her back, and lots of hair on her legs, just like a dog. Ruff ruff.... That girl was pretty rough, probably fresh from the farms, not the refined, sophisticated type that I wanna fuck. After that fiasco, I decided that I would never again remain a gentleman in the 3rd world if new info emerges.
Anjelica from Karla Models was far sexier and sweeter with 100 Reais for 2 hours. She stayed the whole afternoon to party anyway. I got lots of pictures of her. Anjelica is one of those sweet and sexy girls that I want to come back to Rio to see.
Jaimito Cartero
01-19-06, 05:36
Agencies like Karla Models screen the girls and list their real photos in their web sites, so you know exactly what you are getting.
Well sort of real and usually retouched. But at least you get a clue about what they look like. :)
El Austriaco
01-19-06, 05:41
I thought I'd chime in quickly here regarding the reported skyrocketing rates commanded by the Copa GDPs lately.
In 2004, when I spent lots of time in Rio, a Copacabana (Help, MP, Balcony) pro once explained me how they price their clients: the magic number is 100.
You speak English? That means dollars.
You speak Portuguese? That means Reais.
Keep in mind that at the time, the exchange rate was a tad below 3 Reais per dollar, still. By now, it seems, the rate might be up to 150.
So do the current rates being posted here surprise me, also considering that we're talking about high season and getting close to Carnaval, with more and more horny foreigners in town? Not at all.
You go to Rio, you spend all your time in Copacabana, you only frequent the most notorious pro joints, you compare the Copa rates to what you would pay in your home country, you speak no Portuguese, and you're unable to walk away from a beautiful woman? Well, you're pretty much at the mercy of the Copacabana pros who specialize exactly in YOU. They speak English (or a flurry of other languages) especially for guys like you, and they know your type inside out. They've done it a hundred (thousand) times before. They are in Copacabana because they know that there, they can make many more times the money they would make hooking anywhere else. You are on their turf, and they got the lowdown on you.
You go to Rio, you spend as little time as is necessary in the tourist places, you know termas and other P4P options in different parts of town, you are aware of what normal people make in Brazil, you speak Portuguese, you have no problem with exploring other areas, and you won't hesitate to walk away when you realize you are getting grossly overcharged simply for being a foreigner? Rio has a flurry of other P4P options available for all budgets. I know quite a bit of girls working in other parts of Rio that are not in Copacabana because:
1. they don't wanna be seen by people that know them personally and work in the Copa tourist industry, so they prefer cheaper brothels downtown with regular working hours (which allows them to claim to their family that they actually work a decent job in the big city),
2. don't speak any English or other foreign languages and are actually uneasy with foreigners because they have hardly ever met any,
3. fear the intense competition and turf wars between Copa GDPs that specialize in the tourist market (and have heard all the true stories and/or urban myths about girls getting killed or killing each other, e.g. the story about a GDP in Balcony putting broken glass into another girls drink to kill her a couple of years ago, or the one of a GDP getting thrown of the balcony at the Othon hotel),
4. they don't have any real insight into the inner workings of the Copacabana scene to risk taking a chance there, and they just feel complacent wherever they are. Even if that means fucking guys all day for R$ 30 a pop.
In other words, it all boils down to information, (language) skills, and guts. The more YOU have, the less you pay. The more the girl has, the more you pay. That's the difference between paying R$ 300 at Help and paying R$ 30 in other parts of the city.
Before someone says... well, yeah, but how about quality? What quality are we talking about? Looks, performance, or both? I have seen incredibly pretty and incredibly ugly girls both in the tourist and non-tourist segment, and I have had truly outstanding and DFE performances both for R$ 200 and R$ 30 (never paid R$ 300, though, even when that was roughly USD 100). For me personally, the general theory of "what you get is what you pay for" absolutely doesn't hold up to scrutiny in Rio, whether in terms of looks or performance. Not that it ever does in a third-world country.
So once you know your way around and speak some Portuguese, there is absolutely no reason to go for any of the ridiculous offers of most Avenida Atlantica chicks. My point is, the vast majority of Copa pros specialize in one thing and one thing only: inexperienced mongers who fall over backwards to pay outrageous prices by Brazilian standards simply because they don't know any better.
Whenever I hang out in Copacabana now (and I do like to hang out in MP and Veranda Help, if maybe only for nostalgic reasons) and girls approach me and give me the sales pitch, I always tell them (in Portuguese) "You know, I don't really monger in Copacabana any more, I prefer Centro and Villa Mimosa". While the VM part is a lie (I never been there, but would like to check it out, and I do know places along the same lines), the point is that just eavesdropping these places will immediately signal to the girl that you know the options that are available to you and that she just can't insult you with a R$ 300 for ST offer. You wouldn't believe how quickly rates drop much more in line with reasonable standards, in many cases. You will also see how quickly some girls move on to a more promising (read: dumber) prospect once they realize they can’t rip you off. You will realize how hardcore most of them and what their preferred targets actually are. I don’t mind, because those are the girls I am trying to avoid in the first place.
There are exceptions, of course. The best experience I ever had in Copa was with a girl I picked up at Meia Pataca and offered a ride to Balconey. We finally hit the sheets for R$ 100 for two hours (and she even paid for the motel, which was R$ 35.00). Incredible GFE.
What I am trying to say is simple: it doesn't matter how much certain girls are trying to charge in some joints. Rio has tons of other P4P options, don't worry, you won't have to go home broke. If you're simply limiting yourself to the most obvious Copacabana options, of course, you're screwed. Take it as an opportunity to diversify, learn about the city and the country, and learn Portuguese. You’ll save a bundle and avoid the hardcore Copa GDPs.
Look at it that way: how much you pay depends on how much the girl knows about YOU as a customer and how little you know about her as a provider. Just like any other business anywhere in the world. Going to Help at this time of the year without exploring other options is like a car owner who knows nothing about fixing cars and refuses to shop around, taking his broken vehicle to a mechanic who is already swamped, has a reputation for exploiting customers' ignorance, and prone to overcharging. You may get good service... just don't count on it.
Will report more from the ground in Rio in a couple of weeks.
EA
One Wing Low
01-19-06, 08:08
4. they don't have any real insight into the inner workings of the Copacabana scene to risk taking a chance there, and they just feel complacent wherever they are. Even if that means fucking guys all day for R$ 30 a pop.
EA
...I wanna fuck in Brazil. Not the dumb dolls at Help who think they can roll me for a US$100 quickie.
Some one ought to start mongering tours to Villa Mimosa and the favelas, with heavily armed escorts, of course. I wanna have the real taste of Sex and the City in Brazil without risking my life.
A lot of guys have been offering guided sex tours in Thailand. When will the Brazilians smarten up and offer same? Come to think of it, the driver who was sent to pick me up at the airport was an old hand. Like all hot-blooded males, he would know all the juicy joints. I should know better to employ him to drive around to all sexy spots. Would have been cheaper than taking cabs.
Anyone who have such contact, please let me know.
Some one ought to start mongering tours the favelas, with heavily armed escorts, of course.
A favela is a complicated social being with set rules that are enforced by the ruling "bandidos" (basically heavily armed gangs), that are highly organised, complete with walkie talkie communications. A heavily armed escort would do no good, there is one way in and one way out. 2 or 3 armed escorts would not make it out. In the big slums, upto a 100 Police go in together and stuggle to get out. What you and I would think is logical in a favela may not be that logical. For example:
There is no fighting allowed within a favela. If you are found fighting, you will essentially be brought before the ruling gang and dealt with accordingly, often quite harshly.
There is definitely no hooking allowed within the favela. If a local woman is even known to be plying her trade in Copacabana and the wrong person finds out, she may well be dragged before the ruling gang and have her head shaved.
Of course, like most things in Brasil, it depends on who you know, a well connected person can get away without following the rules. There is alot more to favelas than just a slum.
Whatever you do, do not enter a favela unless you are invited by a person that lives there and then only if you know them well. Do not even loiter around the entrance unless you know what you are doing.
I would like to share with you mongers one experience I had in my last trip to Rio in December.
Met a very good looking girl at Help and took her to my hotel in Copacabana...we sat on the balcony talking, about 4 am, and I brought up the subject of drugs. She told me she had never tried cocaine which was obviously not true, given the interest she showed in buying some right away. We went down and she spoke with a taxi driver who happened to be round the block. He made a phone call, took us to a favela and kept us waiting in the cab...We were feeling a little bit uneasy but after a while he came back, stoned, and took us back to the hotel.
We had agreed on a price, he charged me more as expected but that was not the problem:on the way to the favela he told us he would put the taximeter running to make it look like a normal service, JUST IN CASE THE POLICE STOP US...he said...
To make a long story short it was really great to have sex, including anal ( she asked ), with that wonderful green eyed, blond girl with so much cocaine around, until 3 pm.
The problem is that I was told the day after that if the police had caught us I would be in very serious trouble as a foreigner. To avoid prison I would have to pay them something like 2 or 3 thousand Euros.
Experienced mongers, I have a question for you: is there any possibility that what I was told could be true?!
Tavares
Member #4156
01-19-06, 13:42
Whenever I hang out in Copacabana now (and I do like to hang out in MP and Veranda Help, if maybe only for nostalgic reasons) and girls approach me and give me the sales pitch, I always tell them (in Portuguese) "You know, I don't really monger in Copacabana any more, I prefer Centro and Villa Mimosa". While the VM part is a lie (I never been there, but would like to check it out, and I do know places along the same lines), the point is that just eavesdropping these places will immediately signal to the girl that you know the options that are available to you and that she just can't insult you with a R$ 300 for ST offer. You wouldn't believe how quickly rates drop much more in line with reasonable standards, in many cases. You will also see how quickly some girls move on to an more promising (read: dumber) prospect once they realize they can’t rip you off. You will realize how hardcore most of them and what their preferred targets actually are. I don’t mind, because those are the girls I am trying to avoid in the first place.
EA
I can testify to that right there. Worked for me also.
A day before New Years Eve at Centaurus: Two friends of mine decide to go to Centaurus. Both have been there a number of times. Both wish to just pay the upfront entrance fee. They noted it was very busy because there were guys lining to pay and there were no girls in the "welcoming pen" - a sure sign all the girls are occupied. One puts his R90 down like always, the receptionist says today they require everything upfront (the first time in a year we have seen this). He looks around and says "no thanks, and leaves". His friend decides to go in, pays the full R310 and goes upstairs. The place was packed with guys, he grabs a girl he knows and they find out there is a 30minute wait on cabines (which is not abnormal in busy periods), after 30 mins they tell him there is still a 30min wait. Then after another 30mins they tell him there is still time to wait. He has to get back to his real girlfriend who is coming home from work soon hence he can't wait any longer. He cancels the cabine and goes down, gets dressed and goes to reception. He asks for his bill, they say the total bill is R390. Ie R310 entrance and R80 in drinks. He argues with them for a while but this is Centaurus, the management does not relent, he has to pay the full R390 despite not even taking a girl. Can you see why a lot of experienced mongers detest this place! I would never enter if I had to pay the full R310 upfront, R90 is more than enough.
"Can I get a soul clap for El Austriaco..."
You guys crack me up, what the fuck is a soul clap?
Btw, very poignant post by El Austriaco, sums up avinida atlantica perfectly.
Exec Talent
01-19-06, 16:55
I would never enter if I had to pay the full R310 upfront, R90 is more than enough.
don't pay R$90 they pay R$70. I was there during that time period and when I put down my R$70 I was told to pay later. Also had a problem with availability and had no problem getting my money back.
Johnny Darko
01-19-06, 19:47
Have not seen a post by Young & Restless for ages!
Are ypu still there bro?
JD
Happy to see the board livened up again. As everyone can see, all things are possible in Rio. From Tijuca at R$50 per hour to R$400 per hour. The comments are basically correct in all points, from the termas to the privates. One area not mentioned was Hotside.com.br, which is mostly independents, about 20 - 30% of the listed girls are in Copa or Ipanema, the rest seem to be in the Center. these girls are mostly independent, there are for sure some agency girls in there. But my experience with these privates is $R100 for an hour and R$150 for two hours, ( some are 150 hr and 200 for 2 hrs) similar to the agencies, most do not speak english at all. But if you look at hotside, there are some very lovely ladies. Another site is amantesecia.com.br. For some reason the prices are less here then hotside. I have had good luck with hotside.com.br
Also, Oglobo classifieds are full of able bodies, and they advertise to reach the local client, not the gringo tourist that can not read portuguese, so this is another good option. I am telling you, maralene, for R$60 per hour is a bargain, she has a real massage table and gives a decent massage, for 30 minutes , then a 20 minute romp. What more can you ask for , for less than $30usd. And Rio is loaded with these places, priced from , r$50 - 80 per hour, including a 30 min massage. Most are in the center, and I have been in some places on Rio branco Ave and they are dives, but there are some good ones as well. In September R$150 for two hours at help was obtainable, and I agree the price increase is probably temporary, more and more girls I talk to now are from Sao Paulo, just visiting. The pros are in town. I also agree, that If you are here for a week and see a must have girl, do what you have to do, to make sure you have a good time, an extra $20usd is not a big deal, f-ck it and have fun.
Regarding hot looking women, by far the best performers I know in Rio are not the stunners, or the model types, they are cute and have great attitudes, You know if you have a real Brasilian, that enjoys her life, if she rubbs her pussy the whole time she is having sex. Basically, her attitude is , she is worried about herself getting off much more than she is worried about you. if she is not into pleasing herself, you are missing out, she should be screaming outloud "gostoso". Then you are in for a good time. After she cums, she will hopefully turn her efforts back to you. This has been my experience, the more they get off themselves, the better the whole show will be. Brasilian women like sex, alot.
I live here, and there are many options for R$100 for 2 hours, but it takes awhile to figure these out and many times you need to call a day or several hours ahead, these girls are busy.
So, anything is possible, and an advantage goes to those with knowledge, experience and language skills. It is called a learning curve, and it is just the way it is with everything in life. Those visiting for the first time, take what knowledge you can from the forum, and believe me, this forum is giving you plenty of good advise from many people that really know the deal here, and enjoy Rio. It is a great place to have fun. Help always has 200-300 girls and some are nice, some are not.
Carnival pricing. I was told today that beach chairs and umbrellas rented on the beach will go from R$3 to R$10 for carnival, if that gives any indication of what happens at Carnival. I hope pussy does not increase +300%
Come to Rio, spend money, have fun, have sex and drink beer, enjoy.
Thank you all guys for your recommendations about Rio. Your guideness helped me a lot. I was in Rio for 3 days. It was my first time, I was alone and I don't like taking girls back to my hotel (professional reasons). The day I arrived was Sunday and I was so tired. So I had a quick tour around the city, had dinner in Porcao (delicious!) which was only 1 block from my hotel and went to sleep. I personally did not like the athmosphere in Copacabana at all; even during day-time. I am extremely picky about anything and do not like touristic trouble so you should go there and decide for yourself. I loved spending time in Ipanema though. The beach is full of gorgeous cariocas and fun-loving locals. Rua Visconde de Piraja, which is the main street parallel to the beach looked very busy but pretty safe to me. There are many restaurant options, boutiques, bookstores and chic places in the small streets if you walk up the street to the north. So IMHO Ipanema was the best option.
The 2nd night I decided to check out Centaurus at around 8 pm. I paid the 310R fee upfront. The place was full of gorgeous girls. It felt a bit funny to walk around with that robe and flip-flops in the bar area though.. Luckily, the first girl who approached me turned out to be the best looking one. She was not pushy at all. Helped me find my way and get me a drink in the club. Most of the girls speak English (do not expect long conversations) and they are very friendly. I think the best thing about the whole experience was the waiting period. I know there are some fellas who hate waiting for a room in a terma.. I could wait there in the bar area forever, believe me. We talked, made out and kinda had fun conversations in that lounge area for about 2 hours before she reserved a room. Then it's 40 min. or 1 hr. (pay extra) in the room.
On my last night, I visited the same house at around midnight. It was again packed with girls. The girl I had was to die for -like many of them-. The sex was only better. It definitely was a GFE. So if you are a picky guy like me, have limited time in Rio and willing to pay some more $$, then I can recommend Centaurus for fun.
Romantics beware; it's very easy to fall in love seriously with one of those girls. Especially the girl I met on my 2nd night confused me a lot. I don't really consider people as 'good' and 'bad' but I think there is a truth in life; there are good girls as well as bad ones (nasty), bad guys (shallow) as well as good ones. I met a European guy in the Rio, who lived in there for the last 10 years. He seemed like a good guy..He told me that he's seen several guys who married girls they met in Centaurus (The girl I was with told me the same story). 'Do not involve any feelings and emotions!' he told me, because I guess he saw that I was pretty young and had that smile on my face. Then I asked him 'why not?'. 'Because you're going to be fucked up if you fall for a working girl' he replied. I pretended I did not want to understand and asked him if he was married. 'I was..' he replied, '..twice..my first wife was from Canada, my ex was from Europe. both highly educated and coming from good families..but divorced now..'. 'Do you think they fucked up your life?' I asked. 'Yes..' he answered in a very sad way.
Abracos,
Andre
Travares, your story is frightening and amazing at the same time. You were in a favela at 4 AM? In a taxi? With only a GDP? I can only imagine what was going through your mind waiting for the taxi driver to get back. You have a life experience that I'm sure you’ll never forget!
I have heard countless stories about tourists being singled out by cops for drugs. The penalties are harsh but rarely enforced since the cops can shake you down for cash instead. If thrown in jail, you'll sit there for weeks or months before even seeing a judge. There is a double standard when it comes to enforcement of the laws since the cops know a tourist will have way more cash than a local. Assume all police in Rio are dirty.
I have hung out in Lapa on crowded weekends were pot smoking is tolerated. It's being sold in small qualities right on the street. I have heard stories about cops paying dealers to narc on tourists so use your best judgment. By the way, I highly recommend visiting Lapa, in the center, on the weekends. It is always the highlight of my trip.
Let's face it; GDPs and blow go together like wine and cheese. I doubt very many of them turn it down. However, there are several scenarios that could happen: Worst case, you're in jail. What if you try to get some and are unsuccessful? You can bet on a lackluster lay since your lady had high hopes of scoring. Then there is the possibility that you get some and run out. Nothing worse than a jonesing girl. These are things to think about before skiing in Brazil!
I do not know why you would even ask such a thing. Common sense would tell me that if I was to get involved with drugs in a foreign country the penalty would likely be severe. Especially if I was not connected to anyone with special influence, as is likely your case.
I find it amusing when people travel and loose perspective to the extent that they would just jump in a cab and drive over to a favela on a cocaine purchasing expedition, to purchase cocaine for “a hooker”. When I run into someone that is out of control, I stand back and away, and wonder how they ever made it. Are you sure that you did not have an interest in the purchase yourself? I would respect that a lot more.
Regarding your question, $2000 e. would have been a gift. If you had that kind of money in you pocket, maybe it would of helped. But, if not and you had to go to jail and pay for an international lawyer, and pay protection money to someone while in jail waiting to be released, think that you bill would have climbed to closer to 5000 e or even more. I cannot even imagine the details involved in that kind of situation.
You would have been at the mercy of which ever police officer picked you up, and the command at the station-and that is not to mention the inmates if they put you in circulation. You put you life in jeopardy, and for what? You could have given the chick a tip for the butt, and come out ahead.
BTW, what would that call have been like, if you had to call a friend or family member back home to let them know that you were in jail, and needed help? Send money pleeeease ;-). No laughing matter.
Good luck with your mongering,
D
El Austriaco
01-21-06, 04:54
Regarding your question, $2000 e. would have been a gift.
A while ago, I reported being stopped by cops in cabs late at night in Rio, both times in the vicinity of favelas and on routes known for drug trafficking. The first one was a legal blitz in Sao Conrado, the second one two cops looking for a little "tip" on Ilha do Governador. Please read them (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=321607&postcount=257). Chances are, you get caught in a legal blitz with drugs on you, there's NO way you can tip yourself out of a situation like the one you put yourself in. And yes, you wouldn't just be in a lot of trouble, but in a shitload of trouble. Double is absolutely right. Being able to pay any sum of money to keep you out of jail would be like your birthday, Xmas, Easter, and winning the lottery at the same time.
Sorry to say that, Tavares, but what you did seems just about the dumbest thing you could possibly do in Rio, IMHO. You really lucked out on more than one account here:
1. This wasn't a setup by the girl to get you busted. Read the board, there are many stories of Help girls setting up customers with drugs.
2. This wasn't a setup by the cab driver working in collusion with the girl to get you busted. Especially when it was a cabbie SHE KNEW.
3. You didn't get robbed or worse while in a favela at night. Going to a favela at any time of the day is a bad idea. Worse at night. And to do it to buy drugs is just insane.
4. You didn't get searched by the police on the way back from there.
Also, once you get caught on a drug-related offense in a foreign country, you just can't count on your government and/or embassy/consulate to be of much help, because there's really preciously little they can do. Remember, as a visitor to a foreign country, you are subject to that country's laws and regulations and entirely in the hands of their authorities. Also, in all likelihood, your embassy will not be very sympathetic towards your cause, so don't expect them to do anything more than they are legally required to do for you (which may be as little as give you the phone number of a trusted lawyer and visit you once in a while to check on your living conditions in the slammer).
Please, Tavares, don't try your luck again, and stay safe. You keep doing this... you will need a lot of luck.
EA
Police in Brazil are very corrupt and even if you were pulled over without any illegal substances you still have to worry about drugs being planted inside the vehicle by the police themselves during a search.
I was pulled over before at gunpoint by policia civil, who wear civilian clothing and drive regular vehicles, so I was thinking I was getting kidnapped. Once they identified themselves I was taken to a precint to be investigated because I wasn't carrying any documents with exception of my driver's license.
The point is, if you stand out like a foreigner seen by the police around any slums, chances are you could be involved in drugs or other illegal things.
Can someone tell me what and where the VM area of Rio is?
Thanks
Ricobd
Police in Brazil are very corrupt and even if you were pulled over without any illegal substances you still have to worry about drugs being planted inside the vehicle by the police themselves during a search.
I was pulled over before at gunpoint by policia civil, who wear civilian clothing and drive regular vehicles, so I was thinking I was getting kidnapped. Once they identified themselves I was taken to a precint to be investigated because I wasn't carrying any documents with exception of my driver's license.
The point is, if you stand out like a foreigner seen by the police around any slums, chances are you could be involved in drugs or other illegal things.
And then what happened? This seems very interesting, please continue with your story!
A bit of info from todays Oglobo pg 15
I do not understand all of this, but maybe some with better portuguese can translate. This info is just to highlight a few facts about how dangerous Rio can be. It may not belong in this section, but the discussion on Tavares is about crime, so I will put it here for now.
The article compares 2004 -2005 statistics, change%
Homicidio 2004 - 6,438 2005 - 6,620 +2%
Extorsao mediante 2004 - 10 2005 - 10 0%
sequestro
Roubo de cargas 2004 - 2,708 2005 - 2161 -20% good job police
Roubo e furto de 2004 - 52,062 2005 - 54,861 +5.3%
veiculos
Roubo a banco 2004 - 37 2005 - 20 - 45% good job
Roubo a transeunte 2004 - 22,256 2005 - 36,080 +62%
Roubo a residencia 2004 - 1,798 2005 - 1,758 - 2.2%
Roubo establishment 2004 - 6,163 2005 - 5,022 - 18%
commercial
Roubo a colectivo 2004 - 5,196 2005 - 7,469 +43.7 %
Latrocinio 2004 - 185 2005 - 210 +13%
Demais tipos de crimes publicado no diario oficial
extorsao 2004 - 1,158 2005 - 2,220 + 91.7%
Sequestro relampago 2004 - 37 2005 - 110 +197 %
estupros 2004 - 1174 2005 - 1416 +20.6%
Trabalho da Policia
Prisoes 2004 - 21,410 2005 - 16,363 -23%
Recouperacao 2004 - 26,522 2005 - 26,332 -0.7%
de vehiculos
As I said, my portuguese is not so good, but I believe this report indicates there is a lot of crime in Rio. I am not sure how these numbers compare to say New York City, but I bet crime is much higher here, maybe I am wrong about that. I think Copacabana is very islolated from this real world in Rio.
And these are the REPORTED incidents, how many are not reported?
Can someone tell me what and where the VM area of Rio is?
Thanks
Ricobd
Praca da Bandeira, Centro
Ask any taxi, everyone of them knows about VM.
Adventurer
01-22-06, 06:32
Here is the deal,
I had plans to go to Rio with a friend from Feb 17 - 28, for Carnival.
Some business problems came up and my friend can't make it to this trip. But I have already booked and partially paid for an oceanfront two bedroom apt in copa.
I'm looking for a travel partner to share the apt expenses and maybe hit the thermas and help. It is very difficult to find any reasonable priced apt in Rio during the Carnival, so please email me if you're interested in this trip.
Thanks
El Austriaco,
Thanks for your advice: it was a very risky and stupid thing to do I agree but no, she did not know that taxi driver...portuguese is my mother tongue.
without going into to much detail right now because i only have 8 minutes left on my internet card, i will just say this: i'll never go back to costa rica again. went to help last night with a fellow monger and i can actually say for the first 5 minutes i was speechless. without a doubt rio has the best looking girls in the world from my perspective. took home a little blonde firecracker that was definitely a 9+. total damage was $100 american for the entire night. there are alot of rich older europeans in help that are throwing money around like trump that are definitely driving the prices up. but $100 for a whole night with this girl was money well spent. i'll post more when i have time. gotta get back to the beach.
Brazil, especially Rio is DANGEROUS. Crime is rampant, and the police are corrupt. heck, there are no police. an army of criminals awaits your arrival. as soon as you arrive, immigration paints "VICTIM" on your forehead, and puts a target on your back. make sure your next of kin forms are completed. you'll be lucky to return alive. Iraq and the Middle East are safer. Don't go, stay in your house where it's safe.
i know what i speak of, since i've been to Rio over a dozen times in the last three years. And i can't wait to get back!........in 20 days :D
i'm going to the Amazon region this time: Manuas, and other areas along the river. will be there almost a month. got $350 worth of vaccinations and anti-malaria, thyphoid drugs already.
so, if i survive the crooks in the area, (cause anywhere people live, there's crime), and if the food, bugs, and wild beasties don't get me, i should be OK.
i think i'll stay home today
I know I´ve only been here 2 days but I will say the whole crime thing in Rio is way overrated. I was almost scared into not coming reading all the bad shit that goes on but truthfully it´s no worse the San Jose, CR or most other big cities. As long as you know where to stay out of, you´ll be fine. And once again let me just say that there are more off the charts girls in Rio then any place of have ever seen. As a matter a fact i´m off to Help now to find another future ex-wife. Hopefully a 12 but no less then a 9. Can´t take a step back from last night. And just got 4 50 mg little blue friends at $35 to make sure it´s a rock star kinda night. We have a VIP table at Help and the rapper Pharrell is gonna be there tonight. I´m off.
El Austriaco
01-23-06, 03:33
chingon, Vaccinations are very toxic with many side effects and it has been proven they dont work. The best way to protect yourself is to boost your immune system not compromise your immune system by injecting yourself with a toxic vaccination.
May or may not be true, hell, I don't know, I am not a doctor. Got vaccinated against typhoid fever once, and got sick anyway. Wasn't in Brazil, though.
Please note that an international certificate of vaccination against yellow fever is compulsory for travellers who, within the three months prior to their arrival in Brazil, have visited or been in transit through any of the following countries: Angola, Benin, Bolivia, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Colombia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Ecuador, French Guyana, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea Bissau, Liberia, Nigeria, Peru, Sierra Leone, Sudan, Venezuela and Zaire.
http://www.travel-southamerica.com/International/Info/vaccinations.htm
Here is a good list of medical recommendations:
http://www.mdtravelhealth.com/destinations/samerica/brazil.html
Also, check out http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/brochures/brochures_1229.html
In other words, failure to get vaccinated might really be the best way to protect yourself, because in that case, you get sent back at the airport, in which case you won't get exposed to any of the many Brazilian critters, GDPs, STDs, and whatever not :). Just kidding.
I would like to share with you mongers one experience I had in my last trip to Rio in December.
Met a very good looking girl at Help and took her to my hotel in Copacabana...we sat on the balcony talking, about 4 am, and I brought up the subject of drugs. She told me she had never tried cocaine which was obviously not true, given the interest she showed in buying some right away. We went down and she spoke with a taxi driver who happened to be round the block. He made a phone call, took us to a favela and kept us waiting in the cab...We were feeling a little bit uneasy but after a while he came back, stoned, and took us back to the hotel.
We had agreed on a price, he charged me more as expected but that was not the problem:on the way to the favela he told us he would put the taximeter running to make it look like a normal service, JUST IN CASE THE POLICE STOP US...he said...
To make a long story short it was really great to have sex, including anal ( she asked ), with that wonderful green eyed, blond girl with so much cocaine around, until 3 pm.
The problem is that I was told the day after that if the police had caught us I would be in very serious trouble as a foreigner. To avoid prison I would have to pay them something like 2 or 3 thousand Euros.
Experienced mongers, I have a question for you: is there any possibility that what I was told could be true?!
TavaresTo answer your question: Yes.
You were damn lucky.
...
Sorry to say that, Tavares, but what you did seems just about the dumbest thing you could possibly do in Rio, IMHO. You really lucked out on more than one account here:
1. This wasn't a setup by the girl to get you busted. Read the board, there are many stories of Help girls setting up customers with drugs.
2. This wasn't a setup by the cab driver working in collusion with the girl to get you busted. Especially when it was a cabbie SHE KNEW.
3. You didn't get robbed or worse while in a favela at night. Going to a favela at any time of the day is a bad idea. Worse at night. And to do it to buy drugs is just insane.
4. You didn't get searched by the police on the way back from there.
...
EAAll the rest is true, except item 3. If you go to a favela to buy drugs, you are 100 % safe while inside, because you are under the protection of the drug lords. The problems start right outside (items 1., 2. and 4.).
But as said, our friend Tavares has been extremely lucky - and a complete idiot, if I may add.
The Watcher
01-23-06, 04:26
Rio is getting an increasing amount of coverage in the US -- particularly in men's magazines....Not a good thing at all.That is precisely the reason that I do not tell people about Rio anymore. In fact, I encourage my friends not to talk about Rio anymore.
yep, got the international certificate of vaccination. i'm well aware of all the medical recommendations and requirements. also got my DEET mosquito netting ordered.
(no disprespect), but thanks for the warning Dr Sparks, but i think i'll trust the advice from the medical staff of the infectious disease/travel clinic of the University of Chicago Medical Center and the CDC. and they did tell me about all the side effects. (which is hitting me today.) and yes i know, all doctors are quacks.
It's actually recommended to get vaccinated just to travel to Rio. i never did. to add to the laundry list of reasons not to go to Rio: they have a yearly problem with Dengue Fever.
in the all my trips to Rio, i only got sick once: from eating a bad shrimp sauce, (i think.) i had eaten at the same restaurant before many times with no problems. i've gotten to know the owners and staff. i still eat there.
i have also gotten the "Rio cold or Flu" a couple of times just as i was returning home or after i got home.
hey, but this time i'm actually going into the jungle, (not the Tijuca Rain Forest either,) but the F'n Amazon and don't want to press my luck.
Thunderbolt47
01-23-06, 10:43
Has anyone ever been to Nova Friburgo? I hear it is a college town. Termas- Strip Clubs- bars- apartments- streets? I have a friend with some land near there. Thought about going to check it out. Thanks.
T-bolt
Dear Adventurer,
I have travelled to rio for thermas and such in the past.This time I am travelling with my family.
I would like to use your apt only for the afternoon of th 18th with my kids because there is a rolling stones concert on the beach.
I will obviously pay you for the courtesy you extend and like I said I will be there with wife and kids therefore I know nothing about the thermas.
I will obviously be jealous of you.
Sal.
Carlos Primeros
01-23-06, 21:55
I was in the last four months in Angola, Mozambique, Guniea Bissao, Gambia and just entered Brazil now. Nobody at the imigration even asked me about vaccination.
For more than 20 years I travel over the world and I never got any of the serious maladies you described here with the exception of a asian flu - but this knocked me out for 3 weeks!
I simply do it the sensible way: do not drink any non-botteled beverages, do not use ice-cubes, do not eat unpealed fruits, do not stay in cheap, dirty hotels and stay as far as possible away from mosquito - infested areas. If neccessary - use a mosquito-net.
Brasil is not one of these third-world countries like Guinea-Bissao where everything is very un-hygenic and the shit is flowing on the streets in rainy season. In Brasil the standards can be compared to wide parts of the South of the US (forgive me Texas).
I am not a MD but using your common sens will prevent you from a lot of harm.
These are - as usual - my 2 centavos.
Carlos
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Whenever I hang out in Copacabana now (and I do like to hang out in MP and Veranda Help, if maybe only for nostalgic reasons) and girls approach me and give me the sales pitch, I always tell them (in Portuguese) "You know, I don't really monger in Copacabana any more, I prefer Centro and Villa Mimosa". While the VM part is a lie (I never been there, but would like to check it out, and I do know places along the same lines), the point is that just eavesdropping these places will immediately signal to the girl that you know the options that are available to you and that she just can't insult you with a R$ 300 for ST offer. You wouldn't believe how quickly rates drop much more in line with reasonable standards, in many cases. You will also see how quickly some girls move on to a more promising (read: dumber) prospect once they realize they can’t rip you off. You will realize how hardcore most of them and what their preferred targets actually are. I don’t mind, because those are the girls I am trying to avoid in the first place.EA
Well these girls who hustle the tables at Terracao Atlantico and Meia Pataca are generally on the low end of the scale for Copacabana P4P. And for one of them to have the audacity to quote 300 reais is outrageous and just tells me she had no idea who she was playing with.
I myself have no desire to monger in the low end termas’s of centro that the majority of Brasilians can only afford but I have many friends who do during the day and at night occupy the same tables outside Help and feel the same exact way. During the day these guys scour centro looking for a cheap gem and eventually they find it and when something that is even below the quality they had that day in centro approaches them in Copacabana for 300 reais that always evokes the same reaction as you.
Good thing Copacabana has to offer better quality then these table hustlers as they are the lowest of the low and if that is all Copacabana had to offer I and many others would not travel all that distance to Rio just for them.
rio bob, which termas do you consider low end in centro.
I don't mean 4x4 or any of the others on that level. I mean the little holes in the wall type places where you do the girls in a cubicle with a curtain drawn type of place and the sheets are changed every couple of days. Maybe these places charge 60 reais or so but im not sure about the pricing structure now as the only places i have been to like these were in Copacabana that a friend brought me on a tour a couple of times, then in Copa it cost about 60 reais for 30 min. Sure I found some girls that were doable but certainly they were not hign end. Just not my scene.
The only thing I have seen of these centro termas is many very current pictures of the best girls there. All of them very doable but non could command top pay at copa.
Speaking of Centro -- has anyone ever been to the colossal boite down there called "Florida?" You can see it on one of the ways in to Copa from the airport. It's on the right, kinda near 4x4.
TIA,
JW
I mean the little holes in the wall type places where you do the girls in a cubicle with a curtain drawn type of place and the sheets are changed every couple of days. Maybe these places charge 60 reais or so but im not sure about the pricing structure now as the only places i have been to like these were in Copacabana that a friend brought me on a tour a couple of times, then in Copa it cost about 60 reais for 30 min. Sure I found some girls that were doable but certainly they were not hign end.
These cheap-assed places are best avoided at all costs. The only reason to go to one is if you are flat on your ass broke and have only a few bucks to last until you catch your plane out that evening. There is a place just like you describe--you take the girl to a cubicle where everything can be heard just outside--in Copa in an office building at 43 Rua Siqueira Campos, on the 8th floor. The place was advertised in the O Globo classificados. It was there that I had one of the most disgusting experiences I have ever had mongering in Rio; this was maybe 5 years ago.
I picked a girl from the lineup and took her to the cubicle. Surprisingly, some of the girls were attractive; considering the quality of the place; this one was maybe a 7+. The girls were all wearing street clothes or their own bikinis, as opposed to the uniforms thay wear at the better termas. Anyway, we went to the cubicle, stripped and began foreplay, starting with DFK and tit-sucking. I then brought my face down to her crotch with the intention of starting DATY when what did I see hanging out of her crack but a used condom from a previous customer, and as if this weren't bad enough, there was semen splattered all over her vulva! I let out a very audible "eeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwwwww!", and made an appropriate face as well. She got the message, put something on, left the cubicle and washed, then came back a few minutes later. Needless to say I gave up all thought of DATY, but I had also lost my desire and gone limp. I felt like getting the hell out of there, but I had taken a 100mg Viagra that I didn't want to waste, and there was no time to go to another termas because I had plans for that night. So I let her give me a BBBJ until I got hard again, then fucked her with a condom, trying to come as fast as I could. But I've never been back, and I studiously avoid these places, confining myself to the more upscale termas. L'uomo is still my favorite.
The mystery is why some of these girls that are reasonably attractive work at these shitholes; there was a luscious black girl at this same place that I would have chosen, but somebody else grabbed her first. Maybe they're cokeheads and therefore unreliable, but I suspect many of the girls at the upscale places have drug problems as well. In any event, stay away from the cheap places. Because of this experience I have never been to VM, nor do I ever intend to go. There are just too many better places available.
Lorenzo
El Austriaco
01-24-06, 08:27
I was in the last four months in Angola, Mozambique, Guniea Bissao, Gambia and just entered Brazil now. Nobody at the imigration even asked me about vaccination.
I can't really imagine it to be a big problem, but I was just pointing out that Brazil, actually, does have a yellow fever vaccination requirement, so that's why I provided the links to the requirements and/or recommendations. I agree with you, if you go to Rio, I wouldn't bother getting any vaccinations unless I am required. Also, I do observe your precautions when I travel, anyway, and I have never had a problem on the road. When I got typhoid fever, strangely enough, it happened just after I moved to Mexico. And it wasn't just a case of a fresh newcomer getting slammed, either, because my cousin's husband, who is Mexican, got it, too. Go figure.
All the rest is true, except item 3. If you go to a favela to buy drugs, you are 100 % safe while inside, because you are under the protection of the drug lords.
BD, there are certainly favelas that are involved in serious wars between different factions to control the drug trade, like Vidigal and Rocinha. Also, shootings do occur in the favelas, too as well as police incursions, and in Copacabana, you're really close enough that they affect even life on the asfalto. While the drug lords may in fact protect you while you are there, true, I still wouldn't say that it's entirely safe. Would you go to a baile funk in a favela? There have been quite a bit of reports of deaths and injuries there, too.
Well these girls who hustle the tables at Terracao Atlantico and Meia Pataca are generally on the low end of the scale for Copacabana P4P. And for one of them to have the audacity to quote 300 reais is outrageous and just tells me she had no idea who she was playing with.
I am using this element to get the Copa hardcore GDPs to lower their prices more in line with acceptable rates rather than quoting me dumb gringo prices. Whether one actually ever goes to centro or VM or any of the other cheap places doesn't really matter, IMHO.
But when you say low-end, what do you mean? In terms of looks, performance, attitude, services? You know, while I can not conclusively say whether Terma girls also frequent some of the other places in Copa (MP, Balconey, Mabs, Terraco Atlantico, Help), my impression is that the freelancers rotate between all of them, so there is no way to say that one place has better girls than the others because many of the girls might be the same. As I mentioned earlier elsewhere, I have seen Barbarella girls in MP, Frank’s girls at Balcony, and most girls that hang out at MP until 10 go to Veranda Help afterwards, and possibly back to Balcony once Veranda Help shuts down at 3. Girls walk from MP to Balcony and back might get picked up by someone on the way there. And of course, most will go to Help, finances permitting.
For some reason, you seem to believe that the quality of all girls in centro or elsewhere is bad. I disagree, I've found pretty high-quality girls there, too. Not many of them, sure, but neither do I find only pretty ones in the termas, either. This was actually the point I was trying to make: pricing and quality (however you want to define it) have little to do with each other in Rio, and I don't really see a strong correlation between rates and performance, either. Pricing sure has much more to do with WHERE you find them and the quality of the facilities where you get to bang them, definitely.
In other words: Copacabana doesn't necessarily have the "best" girls. IMHO, of course, it sure has the highest concentration of hardcore GDPs who specialize in overcharging inexperienced, foreign mongers.
My two centavos for today,
EA
I actually went to that same Termas as Lorenzo on the second floof of an office bulding on N S Copacabana. I was with 3 friends and we checked out both. There was 1 girl that was pretty hot which I did. Body 9 face 8. The whole package was 80 reals for 30 minutes. The flace is a dump though.
I am wondering if the second week of April is still a good time to go to Rio considering that it is a time during which easter sunday is celebrated. That fact that it is considered low season during april does not concern me, but I don't want to visit Rio if the action will slow down to to religious holidays. Any info. from Rio residents or frequent visitors during that time of year would be much appreciated. Thanks!
I then brought my face down to her crotch with the intention of starting DATY when what did I see hanging out of her crack but a used condom from a previous customer, and as if this weren't bad enough, there was semen splattered all over her vulva!
Lorenzo
This is exactly what I’m talking about, whether she looked good or not this is low end no matter how you slice it.
I have actually been to this place twice and the one across the hall once. The one across the hall I actually found a very fun cute girl who spoke English but when she took me into the room the sheets were definitely used as there was blood all over them. This was several years ago and I have not been back since, this is not my scene plus I don't monger during the day unless it's raining then I call an escort to my apartment.
Lorenzo I can't get this image out of my mind that you painted here, I have a very weak stomach and I am loosing my appetite reading your post thanks because I need to loose a few pounds.
But when you say low-end, what do you mean? In terms of looks, performance, attitude, services? You know, while I can not conclusively say whether Terma girls also frequent some of the other places in Copa (MP, Balconey, Mabs, Terraco Atlantico, Help), my impression is that the freelancers rotate between all of them, so there is no way to say that one place has better girls than the others because many of the girls might be the same. As I mentioned earlier elsewhere, I have seen Barbarella girls in MP, Frank’s girls at Balcony, and most girls that hang out at MP until 10 go to Veranda Help afterwards, and possibly back to Balcony once Veranda Help shuts down at 3.
For some reason, you seem to believe that the quality of all girls in centro or elsewhere is bad. I disagree, I've found pretty high-quality girls there, too. Not many of them, sure, but neither do I find only pretty ones in the termas, either. This was actually the point I was trying to make: pricing and quality (however you want to define it) have little to do with each other in Rio, and I don't really see a strong correlation between rates and performance, either. Pricing sure has much more to do with WHERE you find them and the quality of the facilities where you get to bang them, definitely.
In other words: Copacabana doesn't necessarily have the "best" girls. IMHO, of course, it sure has the highest concentration of hardcore GDPs who specialize in overcharging inexperienced, foreign mongers.
EA
For sure you will see girls from the Lido section boites moonlighting during the day at HO beach, Meia Pataca and anywhere else even in front of Ceasar Park as why not try to pick up a few extra bucks if you have the time. I have ran into girls who work in Barbarellas in Help on many occasions, even seen them in both places on the same night.
My impression of low end girls who hustle the tables in front of Help or Meia Pataca is that they more or less are past their prime for a GDP or are of below average looks for starters. They don't have money to dress, they are not that intelligent, give you a rush job, service is not good and they don't look clean and are not just generally hot looking. This is not what I go to Rio for and yes you will find them all over Copa but you will also find some real gems there too that you can have a real GFE with for as long as you want.
In centro as I said my friends do find gems but they have to go from place to place during the day searching them out as from what I understand the girls change daily. I have seen the pictures and I agree they are very doable but the places are not my scene.
" I then brought my face down to her crotch with the intention of starting DATY when what did I see hanging out of her crack but a used condom from a previous customer, and as if this weren't bad enough, there was semen splattered all over her vulva! I let out a very audible "eeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwwwww!",
Lorenzo,
Wow, you are a better man that me, 100 mg of vitamans or not, I am not sure that I would have been able to muster enough enthusiaszm to go on after that.
Are there any lower cost places in the Copa area? Near Monte Carlo, Bardarella, or somewhere in the beach area?
" I then brought my face down to her crotch with the intention of starting DATY when what did I see hanging out of her crack but a used condom from a previous customer, and as if this weren't bad enough, there was semen splattered all over her vulva! I let out a very audible "eeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwwwwww!",
Lorenzo,
Wow, you are a better man that me, 100 mg of vitamans or not, I am not sure that I would have been able to muster enough enthusiaszm to go on after that.
Are there any lower cost places in the Copa area? Near Monte Carlo, Bardarella, or somewhere in the beach area?
Yes there are several of these places in Copa, the big shopping/office building on sequiera compos and NS de copacabana has several and the one in question here is right next to the building on nS de copacabana. plus if you can find someone in the know there are some apartments in copa ran by ladies who offer services, I have seen these places too, girls change daily, the facilities are low end and the girls vary from day to day.
Member #4156
01-25-06, 02:33
Empresa: Termas Copacabana [ Categoria: Termas ]
Endereço: Avenida Av. NS Copac., 583 gr 203
Bairro: Copacabana
Cidade: Rio de Janeiro
Estado: RJ
Telefone: 2257-2172
Yes there are several of these places in Copa, the big shopping/office building on sequiera compos and NS de copacabana has several and the one in question here is right next to the building on nS de copacabana. plus if you can find someone in the know there are some apartments in copa ran by ladies who offer services, I have seen these places too, girls change daily, the facilities are low end and the girls vary from day to day.
i've visited those low end places. many trips ago, a local took me on a tour of the low end termases, and massage places in copa. he took me to several office buildings-shopping centers that had massage places. at first i found it very strange, as i wasn't sure where we were going. the set-up reminded me of going to the Nevada brothels: in that upon entering, the garotas introduce themselves, and you pick one based on looks. the rooms were small, more like examination rooms.
we went to Termas BeachGirls (since closed) at a shopping center. setup was similar to L'uomos. interesting Termas, as the GDP's had failed to show up for work. not wonder it folded.
then he took me to what looked at first like an apartment building. but it was a low end termas. i believe it was called Termas Copacabanna. (there was another Termas Copacabanna that was located in a office building on N. S., which i believe is still open. which is the one Kendelson is referring to.) the madam gave us a quick tour of the place and introduced the ladies who were dressed in lingerie or bikini's. the first floor looked like a normal apartment. there was no boite. the second floor housed the bedrooms, which were separated by curtains. they even had a clean up crew of two guys in uniform. i got the impression that someone had turned their apartment into a termas without putting too much effort.
if i recall correctly, we hit 5 places, the price after admission was like R1/minute, and they were all within walking distance from each other.
i only found 1 garota doable because she was young and cute, but nothing like the garotas at the high end termases. most where over 30, and out of shape, exceding the GDP shelf life, and dressed in well worn lingerie, or bikini's.
needless to say, i did not partake, but found the tour intersting, as these are the places the locals frequent.
Well after reading my last 2 posts, it is pretty easy to see I was pretty hammered when I wrote them by the type O´s. This one is sober at 3 am. Just got back from The Terrace in front of Help. I have to say although most of the outside girls are 6´s and under, there were a few 8´s thrown in. Visited my first Terma today 4x4. If there´s anything that a single guy has to experience once in his life, it should be a Terma. Went with 2 friends from this site to check it out. 4 beers, 2 H20´s, 1 60 minute session set me back 233 Reals. Basically $100 US. You lose all track of time in these places. We walked in about 7:30 and didn´t leave till 11:30. The place did have a lot of Brazilian men but lots of women to. Went with a beautiful blonde who´s name at the Terma was Doris but her real name was Aliana or something like that. Looks wise I´d give her a sold 8 and performance wise let´s just say, Mike Tyson in his hayday couldn´t have worked me over like she did. She was a true profesional in every sence of the word. She worked me for a sold half hour, finished, told me to shower and jumped right back on it. Then she gave me an extra 10 or so minutes so that I could finish round 2. All and all just a great day. I actually met a hottie on the beach that I set up to meet at Help tonight, but actually couldn´t muster up the strength. But tommorrow is another day...
most of the gdp's that hustle at the tables in front of help are bottom feeders.but they are mixed in with some good ones who either dont go into ,cant afford, or dont feel like going into help on any given day.the ones you gotta really watch out for is the **** gdp's.there is a reason they are not inside help.you gotta ask that question of the outside girls and if the story about why they dont go inside don't jive than shake her.of course always check the id.if they look kinda young and say they never been in help and have no id,that should be all the info you need to move on.
i have checked out the terma on nossa senhora cp a couple of times, and the talent(2-4 girls) was pretty weak.i just walked in took a tour and left. also for the life of me i don't understand why guys go out of their way to perform daty on these *****s.if your gonna do it make sure you clean the girls yourself in the shower or you see her take a good shower.remember these are *****s who fuck different guys everyday, not your gf or wife who is "usually" fucking you only.who cares if she enjoys sex with you or not,as long as she does her job good, most are looking forward to the money you give them at the end not the orgasm,lol..be careful with that shit guys.
Exec Talent
01-25-06, 11:31
During my visit to 583 the girl took all I had and was looking desperately for someplace to spit. So, she leans out the window that fronts to NS Copacabana and let it fly. My advice when walking in that area is to either walk close to the building or better yet, on the other side of the street.
During my visit to 583 the girl took all I had and was looking desperately for someplace to spit. So, she leans out the window that fronts to NS Copacabana and let it fly. My advice when walking in that area is to either walk close to the building or better yet, on the other side of the street.
If she was High End she would have swallowed.
Joe,
If you check the BlameItOnRio4Travel page, there is a currency converter. I believe the rate is around 2.24.
But when you say low-end, what do you mean?
For sure you will see girls from the Lido section boites moonlighting during the day at HO beach, Meia Pataca and anywhere else even in front of Ceasar Park as why not try to pick up a few extra bucks if you have the time. I have ran into girls who work in Barbarellas in Help on many occasions, even seen them in both places on the same night.
My impression of low end girls who hustle the tables in front of Help or Meia Pataca is that they more or less are past their prime for a GDP or are of below average looks for starters. They don't have money to dress, they are not that intelligent, give you a rush job, service is not good and they don't look clean and are not just generally hot looking. This is not what I go to Rio for and yes you will find them all over Copa but you will also find some real gems there too that you can have a real GFE with for as long as you want.
In centro as I said my friends do find gems but they have to go from place to place during the day searching them out as from what I understand the girls change daily. I have seen the pictures and I agree they are very doable but the places are not my scene.
Got to agree with El Austriaco (EA) on this one and much of what he says about what you need to do if you wish to pay less for the girls in general. What a lot of guys may or may not realize is that many of these girls move around. Whether they are what you call "low-end" or "high-end", these girls have probably at one time or another, worked at several GP P4P places in Centro and even perhaps VM.
There have been many occassions, in which I have seen so called "high-end" girls, working the scene in Centro and even VM. And then the very same night, have run into the so called "high-end" girl working the Copa scene. Although, if you ask them, they will seldom admit it.
I stayed/lived in Brazil anywhere between 2-6 months a year, each year, and also move around a lot myself and in that time have come to realize that P4P girls of "all-kinds", will basically go to any place to earn their keep.
My point being, that the so called "high-end" gal, may not be as "high-end" as you think. Especially when you scratch beneath the surface.
Ciao
Spidy
heading to rio in march. Anyone vacationing in rio now care to share the real world exchange rate at the cambios? Any chance at 2.4? BTW, any new termas open up since last august when i was there last. Should i try any new places or stick to the usual.
Here`s a little tool to get real time exchange rate :
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
Under100Pesos
01-26-06, 17:38
Spidy,
El Austriaco are dead on in my opinion. Lived a year and a half in Rio. First two months I stayed in Copa because this is what I was familar with. Once I discovered centro I never went back to monger there. Spent almost everyday in centro so I know for a fact that many of the girls that work in the day there, go to help at night. They go hoping to hit a home run with a gringo for 300R. You can have them in the day for 30R. Since I wanted to monger everyday I did not want to pay 200-300R.
If you have the time I suggest you give centro a try, although El Austriaco is right in that you need some language skills. The O'Dia newspaper on Monday's has a good classified section. You will see many adds for prives and apartments for 20-30R (centro is filled with them). There are also some mid-level ones for around 50-60R. Again, this is my experiance and centro may not be for everyone, every monger has there own style. I just hate to see these girls (at help, etc.) asking and getting 300R. Hope this helps.
Two new termas opened in Nov. Terma Bononia (sp) is located in Copa (sorry don't have an address). This place is located 2 blocks past Luomos. If you walk past the shopping ctr to the second street (make right from Figuero magalhaes or left from Sigueiro Campos) its in the middle of that block across the street. I visited this place once and was not impressed with the garota quality, compared to the others, but the price was good (170-180r? for 40mins). It might have improved a little by now, but its worth checking out.
The second is terma cancun in centro it closer to 65 on rua carmo (which is the nearest small cross street by 65) by rua setembro (which is about two blocks from 65 opposte the direction to 4x4). There is a big sign in front that says Manhattan. If you are a 4x4 regular the ex 4x4 doorman will be out front. This place has nice rooms and mostly former 4x4 girls. They have the same price as 4x4. This place is still developing but is pretty decent and less crowded than 65 and 4x4.
Hope that that helped. Have fun.
Heading to Rio next week. First of all can I buy Cialis OTC at any pharmacia with no hassle? Also, I would like to find a gym that I can work out at. Any in Copa that offer "day passes". A Real gym guys, not a terma.
You can go to bodytech gym. They have locations in copa, ipanema, leblon and I don't know where else. Ask the concierge at your hotel. I think it was $R100 for a one week pass. Also check and see what your hotel has.
El Austriaco
01-27-06, 03:03
Heading to Rio next week. First of all can I buy Cialis OTC at any pharmacia with no hassle?.
Yeah, over the counter, under the counter, at any pharmacia, same thing in Rio: no prescription required anywhere. Last time I was there (08/2005), it was about R$ 55 for two 20 mg pills.
I'll be in town starting Friday, February 2. Anyone wanna get together for an ISG pow-wow, PM me.
EA
Cunnilinguist
01-27-06, 04:23
Heading to Rio next week. First of all can I buy Cialis OTC at any pharmacia with no hassle? Also, I would like to find a gym that I can work out at. Any in Copa that offer "day passes". A Real gym guys, not a terma.Here are a few links to fitness clubs in Rio
http://www.bodytech.com.br/
http://www.prolimits.com.br/index2.html
http://www.ibeastopclub.com.br/
http://www.academiadapraia.com.br/new/home.asp
http://www.ks.esp.br/
Have a great trip
The CunningLinguist
One Wing Low
01-27-06, 21:26
Viagra is know to last only a few hours.
How strong is this stuff? never used it but will next time in brasil if it gets the job done. What's the side effects? Does it make your heart beat real fast? Does it give you diarea?
Sunset Strip
01-28-06, 01:07
I checked into my apartment today, gave the guy US$400 and he gave my R$920. So doing the math the cambio rate today is 2.3. I used to swear by ATMs but with the exchange rate so low I think it is best to take money out of your ATM at home and bring cash.
TJ
Latina Addict
01-28-06, 02:56
I've been in rio since sunday and it seems prices have gone up 200% since my last visit in June 2005. Even mediocre looking girls in help are asking R$400. One GP even patronized me with a R$100 `discount` for R$300. Another was indignant that I had countered with R$150. Needless to say I passed on all offers I went home by myself. Apparently, there are people (supposedly Americanos) paying these prices as I saw girls leaving with guys.
Please somebody tell me that I'm not crazy.
Nope , you are not crazy at all, not by any means... I have been the leading edge of the spear for quite some time SCREAMING at some mongers RUINING many, many, many, many places due to their over paying and refusal to walk away from horrible pricing practices. Soooo, join the Latina Addict value shopping club, and enjoy (like myself) telling some of these chicks where to get off. Going home alone guys, sometimes, is not that bad as compared to f****** a fat, ugly chick for inflated prices.... Sleep well my friend.
Latina Addict
Exec Talent
01-28-06, 13:20
Maybe it has been reported before, but I wanted to let the budget conscious traveler know before he packed his bags for Rio, that Help entrance fees have gone up. Now, R$22 before 12:00 and R$32 after.
If one looks back 2 yrs proir on this forum, they would see many post of men defending their exuberant tipping, spouting wierd quotes such as "I'm only one person, my overpaying won't change the current pricing" low and behold enough of these jerks were around that it seem that I won't be able to afford to go back and live it up and enjoy myself. Until other professionals in Brazil recieve a 200% income increase, I think we should keep the prices where they were. I think we will create undeserved hatred from The citizens of Rio for creating such a pricing imbalance, while locals still pay less, it is only a matter of time until all the beauties do tourists exclusively and leave the undesirables for the locals. Please gentlemen, while I support bringing a country into first world living, lets raise the pricing of other things like caipirianhas(sic) instead of women. Where I live (MIA) you can now get a beautiful brazilian escort for roughly the same price as I am seeing quoted on this board in the past 5 months, without paying for a ticket and visa. For those younger mongers, What are the new trendy nightclubs in the area? and has anyone attempted going to a Baile Funk party? I see alot of video footage from these parties and the women are sexy, I consider it a must for at least all the under 30yr explorers.
Big Bopperino
01-29-06, 00:40
How strong is this stuff? never used it but will next time in brasil if it gets the job done. What's the side effects? Does it make your heart beat real fast? Does it give you diarea?MS,
I'm only in my late 30's but due to so much sex in so little time, I noticed my inability to consistently acheive strong erections. I decided I needed a boost so off to the local pharmacy. I had heard about the side effects of Viagra so opted for Cialis instead, especially since it lasts 36 hours per dose. It worked great - like being 19 years old again! And I noticed no side effects whatsoever, even after drinking alcohol.
So unless you have some serious health problems, I would go with Cialis.
I believe it came to around 50R for 2 doses - a good deal considering it'll last you at least 3 days.
Keep it strong!
-BB
and has anyone attempted going to a Baile Funk party? I see alot of video footage from these parties and the women are sexy, I consider it a must for at least all the under 30yr explorers.
I have been once. I was invited by some girls to favela to participate this kind of party. Yes there is a lot of beautiful girls, but they were out of my reach. Guys are running around with all kinds of guns and they made it perfectly clear that there is NOTHING for me over there.
Interesting place, but I won't go again nor I would recommend.
If one looks back 2 yrs proir on this forum, they would see many post of men defending their exuberant tipping, spouting wierd quotes such as "I'm only one person, my overpaying won't change the current pricing" low and behold enough of these jerks were around that it seem that I won't be able to afford to go back and live it up and enjoy myself. .
First of all you must take into consideration that the dollar was much stronger 2 years ago then it is today, the dollar is not weaker as the result of any jerks, it is by design. Are the girls asking for and getting much more reals than 2 years ago or just more dollars, I think the problem is more dollars and not reals. Pretty much girls in Help for example are asking for about the same amount of Reals they were several years ago. When the dollar was fetching 3.5 - 4 reals a 200 reais all nighter in dollars was $57 today it is about $86, the problem is the dollar.
Where I live (MIA) you can now get a beautiful brazilian escort for roughly the same price as I am seeing quoted on this board in the past 5 months, without paying for a ticket and visa.
Even if you were to pay top dollar at Help for a beautiful girl all night to sleep with you and do anything you want for 12 hours it is 300 reals or about $130 dollars. I don't think you can get a Brazilian girl in MIA for all night at $130. The cheapest you can get is maybe $200 an hour for a freelance full service. Thats a big difference and if you take it down a notch a really nice girl at Help can be had for 200 reais all night which is about $86 a night, you couldn't get a hand job in Miami for that price.
We were told by the guide that took us to see the Samba school, that the quickest way to get an audience with the favela lords is to get involved with one of the ladies. The guide made it clear that we should not stare, shout at, or in any way mess with any of the females that we saw. I guess that the ladies are on reserve for the boys in the hood.
I wonder what happends if you meet a favela girls outside of the favela; for example at work, and develope a relationship with her, can one visit her at any time? and if so, do you have to go to the family and the bosses to get approval? What is the deal? Anyone have any experience actually dating one of the ladies?
If one looks at the prices of escort agencies like CiaPlus and Companygirl, then their prices in R$ have been very stable. IMHO they have not changed a bit in 2 years, which is remarkable for a country that used to have an inflation rate in the hundreds of %!
Bimbo Boy
First of all you must take into consideration that the dollar was much stronger 2 years ago then it is today, the dollar is not weaker as the result of any jerks, it is by design. Are the girls asking for and getting much more reals than 2 years ago or just more dollars, I think the problem is more dollars and not reals.
If one looks at the prices of escort agencies like CiaPlus and Companygirl, then their prices in R$ have been very stable. IMHO they have not changed a bit in 2 years, which is remarkable for a country that used to have an inflation rate in the hundreds of %!
Bimbo Boy
You are absolutely right , I just checked ciaplus website and they are still running the same promotion that they have been running for the past couple of years which is 100 reais for 2 hours. That is about $45, 3 years ago that would have been around $30. They are not asking for more money, it just costs us more to buy their money.
Exec Talent
01-29-06, 16:11
Also keep in mind that from December to March is the season in Rio. Prices are higher during these times. Prices, especially for apartments, go down after Carnaval.
The nice folks at Carretao restaurant have raised their prices too. Once again they tried to charge me and my date a higher price for a weekday than what was prominently posted on their door. Once again, I called them on it. Nothing ticks me off more than the Gringo pricing some businesses try to pull. On second thought, the shoe shine guys are pretty high on the list too.
We were told by the guide that took us to see the Samba school, that the quickest way to get an audience with the favela lords is to get involved with one of the ladies. The guide made it clear that we should not stare, shout at, or in any way mess with any of the females that we saw. I guess that the ladies are on reserve for the boys in the hood.
I wonder what happends if you meet a favela girls outside of the favela; for example at work, and develope a relationship with her, can one visit her at any time? and if so, do you have to go to the family and the bosses to get approval? What is the deal? Anyone have any experience actually dating one of the ladies?
I have a friend who dated a girl from favela and he used to visit her there. I really don't know what is the deal in that kind of situations, but in generally it seems to be ok.
Only if you're in those favela parties you're not allowed to "hunt" pussy there. Well who knows.....
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Sunset Strip
01-30-06, 00:37
I met up with my girl, Kezia, the little blond from MABS, today. I took her to the apartmento and had a good time. We did it right in the wide open window!
I took so many pictures I did not realize I only had enough for one shot. I decided to save the last shot for later
When we left two little boys kept giggling on the elavator. It was only when we were in the restaurant and I looked inside Kezia's purse that I realized why. SHE HAD on no panties and those little boys standing behind her had to have seen it.
I got ready to take the last shot in the rest. on Miguel Lemos a block from Meia Pataca when two Brazilian guys got up and sat right next to us! DAMN! I will have to get it tomorrow.
She knows I like it when she wears no panties and today that little red skirt was hot. It was well above her knees so anybody who dared look saw it!
TJ
If one looks back 2 yrs proir on this forum, they would see many post of men defending their exuberant tipping, spouting wierd quotes such as "I'm only one person, my overpaying won't change the current pricing" low and behold enough of these jerks were around that it seem that I won't be able to afford to go back and live it up and enjoy myself. Until other professionals in Brazil recieve a 200% income increase, I think we should keep the prices where they were. I think we will create undeserved hatred from The citizens of Rio for creating such a pricing imbalance, while locals still pay less, it is only a matter of time until all the beauties do tourists exclusively and leave the undesirables for the locals. Please gentlemen, while I support bringing a country into first world living, lets raise the pricing of other things like caipirianhas(sic) instead of women. Where I live (MIA) you can now get a beautiful brazilian escort for roughly the same price as I am seeing quoted on this board in the past 5 months, without paying for a ticket and visa. For those younger mongers, What are the new trendy nightclubs in the area? and has anyone attempted going to a Baile Funk party? I see alot of video footage from these parties and the women are sexy, I consider it a must for at least all the under 30yr explorers.It's all market economy, guys.
I met up with my girl, Kezia, the little blond from MABS, today. I took her to the apartmento and had a good time. We did it right in the wide open window!
I took so many pictures I did not realize I only had enough for one shot. I decided to save the last shot for later.
When we left two little boys kept giggling on the elavator. It was only when we were in the restaurant and I looked inside Kezia's purse that I realized why. SHE HAD on no panties and those little boys standing behind her had to have seen it.
I got ready to take the last shot in the rest. on Miguel Lemos a block from Meia Pataca when two Brazilian guys got up and sat right next to us! DAMN! I will have to get it tomorrow.
She knows I like it when she wears no panties and today that little red skirt was hot. It was well above her knees so anybody who dared look saw it!
TJ
Based on my modest experience, a lot of the girls (hookers?) over here in Rio don't wear any panties. Must be the climate? (Or maybe the fact that they go from the beach to the disco, then to the hotel, then to the beach, then to the disco, then...)
BTW, sorry my ignorance: What is "MABS"? (I've also been banging a certain Kesia, but is she the same person than your new girlfriend, I don't know;-)
Sunset Strip
01-31-06, 00:27
BD,
Mabs is a restaurant across the street from Le Meridian Hotel. This is the end opposite from Ipanema, almost in Leme.
Kezia is short and blond. He name is spelled as I have it here.
Is your girl a wild, short, branca from Sao Paulo? If so, it could be the same girl.
Are you in Rio? If this is the same girl we should play some games with her! Perhaps we can both call her at the same time and demand service!
TJ
Royalflush
01-31-06, 01:18
For those who are already in RJ and want to save some money, here's an advertisement from Solarium for a free cabin between 1/30 and 2/3. You have to get on their email list and bring the ad with you:
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Do dia 30/01 (segunda-feira) até o dia 03/02 (sexta-feira), a sua cabine é gratuita.
Isso mesmo, nesta semana você ***á um desconto de R$ 60,00.
Para isto, basta trazer este email impresso e apresentá-lo na recepção toda vez que desejar usufruir desta promoção.
Chame seus amigos e venha *** momentos de lazer inesquecíveis.
Simplesmente imperdível.
Atenção: esta promoção não é cumulativa, ou seja não pode ser utilizada com outras promoções.
I will arrive in Rio on 02 feb for 5 nights. If any one is up for a beer drop me a line.
BD,
Mabs is a restaurant across the street from Le Meridian Hotel. This is the end opposite from Ipanema, almost in Leme.
Kezia is short and blond. He name is spelled as I have it here.
Is your girl a wild, short, branca from Sao Paulo? If so, it could be the same girl.
Are you in Rio? If this is the same girl we should play some games with her! Perhaps we can both call her at the same time and demand service!
TJHi TJ, I'm indeed in Rio right now, but it seems we are talking about two different girls: "Mine" is blond but tall, and her name is spelled "Kesia" (checked from her id). Good BBBJ, though ;-)
BD
So since I haven't been heard from since day 3 in Rio, and now I'm back in NJ 7 days later, you can imagine how much I have to tell. I'll try and break it into categories so I can give those who haven't been to Rio a better perspective. For those who don't know, I took my first trip to Rio these last 10 days.
Let's start with the two most prevelent topics Help Vs. Termas.
I for one really enjoyed the whole Help thing. Of my 8 nights in Rio, I was there for 6 of them. Admission is 22 Reals before 12 and 32 reals after 12. For the sake of the newbies I'm gonna put everything the rest of this post in American dollars. But just for info's sake, $1= aproximately 2.25 reals. Ayway, at Help there is a plethora of women to chose from. If you like them big or small, dark or light, fake tits or real, blonde or brunnette, you can find them there. On average, I would say there were aproximately 500 girls to choose from. Prices for "todo la noche" all night early in the night start at around $175 to $200. As it gets later, around 2 or 3 the prices start to drop to between $125 and $150. And finally around 4 am, most girls can be had for $100 US or maybe even a little less. This isn't all girls, just an average. Some of the really hot ones won't budge off $200 and don't care if they go home alone. The one downside to Help is that unlike the beach or a Terma, you can't see under the clothes for strech marks etc. But truthfully out of the 5 girls I pulled out of Help, they all looked just as good without clothes. The other drawback of the Help girl is that a lot of them are nuts and tend to want to latch on to you. They want to milk the cow for all it's worth. You have to be able to just say to them the next night "No mas".
The Termas- I don't know how to even begin to draw a picture of this place to someone who hasn't seen one. It is like a combination of a strip bar and a brothel. You walk in and you get a wristband with a number and a key to a locker. No money exchanges hands in a Terma until the very end. You go into the locker room and put on a robe and sandals. All your valuables are very safe in a Terma locker room. Then depending on the Terma, you proceed into a room like a strip club with lights, a DJ, and a bar. You are then treated to the shock of having on average 50 smoking hot, scantily glad girls wearing thong bikinis. The 2 that I went to, 4x4 and Luomos were very different. 4x4 which was in the city center had a lot of older Brazilian men hanging out there. Most of these guys as the girl told me, just come to watch and cop a cheap feel and never actually pay for the girls. 4x4 is the biggest Termas though. There were aprox. 75-100 women of which in my opinion 75% are 8's or higher. Again every variety you could possibly want. At Luomos, there were only maybe 30 girls but it was only me my buddy and 3 other guys there, so the ratio was pretty good at 5-1. Again these girls were all pretty hot, lots of 8's and 9's. At the Termas for the most part, the girls won't come to you unless you give them the nod which i nice because there's no pressure to pick. You can stay at these places for hours drinking and socializing before you even take a girl. 4x4 total cost with 4 drinks was right around $100 for 1 hour, 2 pops with a smoking hot chick who gave me an extra 10 minutes for free to finish my second time. Luomos total cost was a little higher at $140 for 40 minutes with another bombshell and less drinks but also a lot less guys. Finally, you can get the Terma girls to meet you at your hotel on their days off or after work if you can set it up. I set up to meet one but then would a Help girl by the time she got out of work at 1 am.
There are also a lot of lit shady shit Termas that can be a lot cheaper but they tend to be dirty and the quality of girls is usually lacking although occasionally you can find a gem if you look hard enough. Tried one of these at 583 Rua N.S. Copacabana. 2nd floor. Total cost was $36 for 1/2 hour including entrance fee.
Depending on what you like to do, I really like both Help and the Termas. Either way it's a win win situation banging quality pussy. You can find beautiful women in either place. Best bet is try them both. Again and again :o).
I'm gonna take a break from this right now but I'll post part 2 a little later tonight. Next section will be about the beach girls and why you don't want to fall in love with a hooker...
Exec Talent
02-01-06, 04:12
I really feel sorry for all the girls (about 60 or so [my girl corrected me - 70+] tonight) who work at Centaurus. There were all of about 40 [she also thought less] guys there all night. I basically paid tonight just to get the hell out of there and away from those people. Usually I call them on their crap, but tonight, with the knowledge I would never return, it just wasn't worth it.
Among other things they said my date and I had 16 Capivodkas. Hell, I can't walk after 4. Certainly I couldn't write this if I truly had 8. I am not even going to go into their bogus room charges. I thought I would be a nice guy and help out one of my regular girls. No more. I saw her today and she really was upset about some of the jerks at work, so I thought I would pay her a visit. I only will see her outside from now on.
Here is my advice. Go to Centaurus strictly to meet girls for after hour’s activities. Tell them you are a local and pay R$70 not R$90. Have a drink or two. Totally ignore the bartenders when they ask you for tips. Hook up with a nice girl and get her number. A place like Centaurus that does everything they can to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off customers needs to go out of business. Let’s see what we can do to make it happen.
Joe:
Better read up on the Cuba board. The monger atmopsphere has gone downhill over there. Unless, you have previous contacts, mongering is more difficult. Simply being seen with a foreigner, can land a local in jail. That's the main reason i refuse to go there.
You sound like a cool dude. I could tell from the tone of your report, you probably treated the honeys properly.
Welcome to Brazil!
I loved hearing it from a fresh perspective. You write well.
Only one thing; I will assume that the prices you quoted for Help are in Reais (BRL). I wasn't sure because you said you would express costs in USD. But your impressions of the Termas was so right on.
But as far as Help goes; I'm glad you stuck to the 200BRL cieling. Too many of our countrymen get down there and loose their minds. They don't know 300BRL is just silly, and unnecessary.
I hope you get back soon...I'm goin in march (AFTER carnival)!
Exec Talent
02-02-06, 10:28
Termas girls are tested regularly, Help girls (unless they also work in a Termas) are not. When in Help, I spend some time checking out prospects. Do they smoke, are they drinking a lot, are their eyes clear? How do they act with the other girls? How do they act when guys approach them? Are they being selective?
Help girls set prices based upon the guy, so prices can and do vary depending on who is asking. One of the benefits for a girl working in Help is she can choose with whom she is going and for how long. Not so easy to do for a girl working in a Termas. They can hide for only so long. The more time I spend in termases, the more I see some girls making fun of guys when they turn their backs. The girls with class, never do and look down on those other girls. The key, in Rio, is knowing how to tell the difference. There are some awesome, exceptionally beautiful, loving, caring girls here. And, they are not always the ones with the highest prices.
Can someone let me know the location (street and suburb), of Vila Mimosa, as I am having trouble searching the ISG.
Also, what is the nearest metro station to VM
Thanks, Franga
Termas girls are tested regularly, Help girls (unless they also work in a Termas) are not.
I am surprised that there are still guys that consider terma girls safe, or at least safer than non-terma girls.
I’ve heard often the myth that ‘they are tested regularly’, usually from terma girls or from guys that have heard it from terma girls or from terma employees/managers, which hardly contributes to its credibility, for obvious reasons.
Even in the hypothetical (and naively optimistic) case that they were tested regularly, that won’t be of much help when a terma girl passes you the herpes virus that she contracted from one of the 30 guys that she’s been with since she was last tested 10 days ago – you will still get genital herpes from that BBBJ from that regularly tested terma girl (on the other hand, there are no reliable tests for herpes).
To make matters worse, I’ve personally come across terma girls with clear signs of STD’s (the most obvious, one girl in terma 65 who had several molluscum bumps at a stage of development of at least several weeks, I posted a report about this ages ago), which make me question the ‘regular check-ups’ that these girls have to pass and their self-proclaimed safer status.
There's really no need for so much discussion on this issue, and I've given up discussing it. Preaching to the converted or falling on deaf ears.
It's simple: keep protected, or suffer the consequences.
___________
Okay, I'll go on ... I'm wondering what the aversion to condoms is. If it's lack of sensation, that's not a good reason. There are many brands that deal with this. Also, a bit of lube on your fella before slipping on the condom can make you feel like you are going bareback. Try it out.
cheers
Piper
Full Throttle
02-02-06, 23:38
Even in the hypothetical (and naively optimistic) case that they were tested regularly, that won’t be of much help when a terma girl passes you the herpes virus that she contracted from one of the 30 guys that she’s been with since she was last tested 10 days ago – you will still get genital herpes from that BBBJ from that regularly tested terma girl (on the other hand, there are no reliable tests for herpes).
I'm not a doctor or a scientist -- thank goodness -- but every unbiased report that I have read indicates that the STD transmission risk to us from a BBBJ is minimal.
To the main point, 10-days worth of guys seems a lot better than 365 days worth.
FT
Also, a bit of lube on your fella before slipping on the condom can make you feel like you are going bareback. Try it out.
cheers
Piper
Is this really true, Piper? Any particular lube?
By the way where the hell are you now? Back in UAE? Keeping up with your itinerary is a full-time job! ;-)
You sound like a cool dude. I could tell from the tone of your report, you probably treated the honeys properly.
Welcome to Brazil!
I loved hearing it from a fresh perspective. You write well.
Only one thing; I will assume that the prices you quoted for Help are in Reais (BRL). I wasn't sure because you said you would express costs in USD. But your impressions of the Termas was so right on.
But as far as Help goes; I'm glad you stuck to the 200BRL cieling. Too many of our countrymen get down there and loose their minds. They don't know 300BRL is just silly, and unnecessary.
I hope you get back soon...I'm goin in march (AFTER carnival)!
Read his post again more closely he is quoting in U.S. Dollars and he doesn't say he paid it either, it is just his observation.
Can someone let me know the location (street and suburb), of Vila Mimosa, as I am having trouble searching the ISG.
Also, what is the nearest metro station to VM
Thanks, Franga
Take taxi, every driver knows where VM is.
All metrostations are too far to walk safely and no taxies near any of them.
If you want to be real cheap and coming from Copa, get out on Presidente Vargas, go to the side of the road that goes towards Central do Brasil and get a taxi. DO NOT go to Central do Brasil by metro unless you have too much earthly belongings.
P
Exec Talent
02-03-06, 16:55
So I am paying my bill at termas L’uomo the other evening when the guy next to me comments to one of the girls, “I used to come here three times a week and see two or three girls. Now, I come one time a week and see one girl. These prices really are getting ridiculous. And, I have been coming here for over ten years.”
Truth is, he is right. I discussed it with one of girls telling her my advice to guys is not to even see a girl in a termas but to see them during off hours. She pointed out, and rightly so, that some of the girls do not see guys outside of the termas. However, my experience has been that in most occasions the ones I want to see, have. With an all-nighter costing R$250 why should I pay R$60 to get in and then another R$270 for a suite. Even if the girl stayed only a couple of hours, I am still far ahead.
In a market economy, like the US, consumers talk with their dollars. I suggest that Rio consumers do the same. Tell these money grubbing, glorified pimp, termas owners to screw off. Treat the termas just like Help. Go there to find a girl you like and make arrangements to hook up later. Guys like me who go at least two times a week and take three plus suite sessions support these places. Go ahead. [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) us off. Then wonder why business sucks.
there's really no need for so much discussion on this issue, and i've given up discussing it. preaching to the converted or falling on deaf ears.
it's simple: keep protected, or suffer the consequences.
___________
okay, i'll go on ... i'm wondering what the aversion to condoms is. if it's lack of sensation, that's not a good reason. there are many brands that deal with this. also, a bit of lube on your fella before slipping on the condom can make you feel like you are going bareback. try it out.
cheers
piperthere's a japanese brand of condoms from sagami that's only 0.02mm thick and made out of polyurethane instead of latex. it's the thinnest condom made and gives great sensation and heat transference. the only drawback is it's made for japanese men, hence it's a little small and polyurethane doesn't stretch like latex. nevertheless i have yet to have one break on me but don't know how well it would work for the guy packing a tor**** in his pants.
(not that i would really give a damn if one broke on me anyway.)
Royalflush
02-03-06, 21:56
The first therma I visited, seven years ago, was Centaurus. It was late pm but before the evening rush, so there were only a few customers and tons of girls. One of them, an absolute knockout, joined me for a drink and quickly propositioned that we leave and go back to her place. Unfortunately my flight was leaving that evening, or I would have done it (not knowing at the time that there are no refunds).
The point is that this first experience shaped my strategy for using the thermas, which is to troll for outside action. As you can't negotiate the prices down inside, it's the only way to beat the game.
As for prices, consider that in 1998, prior to Brasil floating their currency, the negotiation usually started at 100R. After the float, asking prices started doubling and tripleing, and worse. Why? Because the girls continued to peg the real to the dollar and at the same time, were successful in convincing dumb tourists that they were getting a good deal. The annual inflation rate in Brasil, incidentally, appears to be somewhere between 4 and 8%. A new "floor" was eventually set at or around 200R, and thanks to the efforts of our dumb tourists, that is now being raised. Still think tipping and overpaying doesn't make a difference?
I'm not a doctor or a scientist -- thank goodness -- but every unbiased report that I have read indicates that the STD transmission risk to us from a BBBJ is minimal.
To the main point, 10-days worth of guys seems a lot better than 365 days worth.
FT
Herpes transmission via BBBJ if the girl is infected is high, and many girls are infected, especially prostitutes. There is no need to be a doctor, just ask your doctor.
Herpes-wise, 10 days worth of guys is equivalent to 365 days or to 5,000 days as herpes cannot be reliably detected by any tests (other than during outbreaks) - I'm mentioning herpes because that's the most serious STD that you're likely to get via BBBJ.
I'm not trying to start a boring, off-topic debate about this, just clarifying some misunderstandings.
I'm not against BBBJ either, but I know the risks I'm taking and don't delude myself thinking that some types of hookers are safer than others.
If anything, I'd consider terma girls even unsafer than any others taking into account the high volume of guys they deal with.
If anything, I'd consider terma girls even unsafer than any others taking into account the high volume of guys the deal with.
The typical high end girl from Help or the high end escort services that are asking 300 reais are maybe doing 1 guy a day possibly 2 and some of the escorts tell me maybe they get 2 or 3 guys a week.
A typical high end Termas girl I would guess is doing up to 5 guys a day maybe more.
And here is the best one because the guys who do them sit outside the tables at Help every night smug thinking that they are smarter than everyone else there because they did in Centro that day a girl from a dingy dump termas for 30 reais a girl that might do at least 10 guys a day, that's high risk.
Joe:
you are aware that Cuba is a Commy country run by a dictator. they do not enjoy the same freedoms as we do. so it is illegal for a local to be with a foreigner. why is it illegal, because Uncle Fidel said so and passed a law. supposedly Cuba always had that law, but only in the past few years has it been strictly enforced.
it's also illegal to rent a casa to an unmarried couple. so if you rent a casa, you must be registered in the casa owners guest book. if you have an overnite female guest, and the neighbor next door reports this to the police, the casa owner, and the girl go to jail. you may be fined and forced to rent from one of Fidel's many Hotels. the casa owner will probably lose the casa too. not that it really matters as the casa belongs to Fidel. i urge to read the Cuba board.
I was in the last four months in Angola, Mozambique, Guniea Bissao, Gambia and just entered Brazil now. Nobody at the imigration even asked me about vaccination
Carlos
Coming to Brasil from Venezuela last year and from Colombia a few days ago I was asked to show my yellow fever vaccination.
I show other passengers detained for not having it and I am pretty sure Avianca got a fine too.
El Greco
The typical high end girl from Help or the high end escort services that are asking 300 reais are maybe doing 1 guy a day possibly 2 and some of the escorts tell me maybe they get 2 or 3 guys a week.
A typical high end Termas girl I would guess is doing up to 5 guys a day maybe more.
And here is the best one because the guys who do them sit outside the tables at Help every night smug thinking that they are smarter than everyone else there because they did in Centro that day a girl from a dingy dump termas for 30 reais a girl that might do at least 10 guys a day, that's high risk.You say UP to 5 guys a day for a high end thermas girl. I am thinking this is on the high side assuming the typical shift is around ten hours (either open to midnight or 6 pm to close). If she IMMEDIATELY gets a client upon entering the boite, they will suck face a while, drink, maybe dance, talk, etc. This will eat up some time ( maybe a half hour) . Then they decide to go upstairs and fuck. With the ten or twenty minutes this could take, (as she changes to her nighty)and maybe more for a room wait, plus the 40 minutes to an hour actually fucking, one and a half or two hours has elapsed. Then she's got to clean up, gargle, get her hair redone, chat with friends, and she's back in the bar. Then maybe the client is still there so they chat about the festa a bit. So with one client she's eaten up 21/2 to 3 hours total. I know this is unscientific and sort of a sterile explanation but in a ten hour shift she would have to be a real hustler to get more than three clients. She wouldn't be in the bar more than 2 hours of the total. She'd have to be an absolute stunner or a real saleswoman (or both) to maintain this production rate. This is the dry shit my friends and I sit around analyzing and discussing over beers when we should be at work or school.
Truant
Rio Bob is correct. The prices that I had in my report were in American dollars. I never paid more then 200 Reals out of Help but 300 was very common and I heard as much as 500 Reals from some girls. You would have to be out of your mind to pay 500 Reals but I could definitely see some of the 60 year old men that frequent Help spending that money. The girls definitely change there pricing based on our looks and age. A couple girls actually told me that. Old fat men definitely pay more on average then young good looking guys. I guess when your selling yourself, you want to be a little choosy sometimes as though these girls have standards. And by no stretch am I saying that I paid less because I look like a GQ model. I just walked away from any girl that quoted me 300 Reals + with one exception which I'll get to in another post when I have time.
last night i took a first-time visit to vila mimosa just to experience the place and to get laid.
thanks to perkele, senior isg member for his advice on getting to vm.
getting there i took the metro to presidente vargas station about 9.30pm. coming out of the metro there were a lot of dodgy characters in the shadows so was a bit worried. took a taxi fairly quickly. i had read bubba´s report previously and he indicated that vm was 12km and a 25r taxi ride from centro. as it turned out it was only about 4km and a 9r taxi fare. so that was good news.
wow what a place! the road leading in is lined with food vendors. then in the bar area the music is blaring, there are people all over the place. hookers in bikinis standing in the alleyways as the clientele file by.
there are 3 main alleyways and i walked up and down them several times looking for the girl of my choice.there were a few lookers here (maybe 5 overall), but most are below par. i spotted a really sexy blonde girl so i said hello but it was really noisy there and the language barrier proved too much so i moved on.
finally got talking to an older woman standing next to a sexy young black girl. the older woman spoke some spanish, which i am better at than porto, so through her i get to take the younger girl, whose name was melissa. together we visit a guy nearby in a building fronting the main road there, who `keeps the accounts`. i pay my 26r. the guy writes the girls name in the exercise book with an amount of money next to it. he also writes the older womans name in the book with about 2r next to it. he gives the girl a condom, a tube of lube, and a heap of toilet paper. we ascend the spiral steps to the first floor where there are about 6 cubicles.
inside the cubicle there is a single-type bed with a cracked vinyl mattress. melissa speads a clean sheet over it and we are ready to go. a great session. she was really into it. we clean up with toilet paper. there are no shower facilities.(though there is a toilet downstairs if you need to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) prior).
i give her a 10r tip which she is really happy with. i am really happy with melissa as she was a really lovely, nice girl (from salvador she said)
i take the taxi back to catete where i am staying (16r). overall a unique experience, and a great memory (among many) in rio as a first time visitor.
recommendation. take foam earplugs as the music there can be annoyingly loud. safety-wise i had no problems at all. just take a taxi there and back and you should be ok.
Sorry to interrupt the mongering news with some sad stuff, but some of you might be interested.
I've been going to L'uomo for five years now and spend about 1/4 of my time in Rio. In that time I've gotten to know just about everybody there including the bartenders, managers, owner, etc. I've often just hung out til after closing time and joined some of them for beers at the little hole-in-the-wall bar downstairs.
I got a phone call this morning from one of my regular girls there with some sad news: Last night they had a party on the beach in front of Help after closing to celebrate the DJ's (Sergio) birthday. His mother in-law and his niece or daughter (not sure) were crossing Avenida Atlantica coming back from the restroom and they both got hit by a drunk driver.
Sergio's mother-in-law died instantly and the girl had some nasty exposed fractures, but survived. The police caught the drunk driver having another beer at Barril 1800 in Arpoador!
Sad news and another reminder to watch out for the drivers in Rio!
I give her a 10R tip which she is really happy with.
Franga. Happy to hear that you had good time.
I just have to give another word of advise. NEVER EVER tip girls in VM. Please remember that VM is the place where local POOR guys go for their mongering. They really do not like that some GRINGO comes and ruins their playground. Honestly, you can get killed for that.
I was checking out where this VM place is and found this site with photos that will give folks an idea about the place
http://www.graffitipress.it/Reportage/RioLuciRosseHTML/riopros(lmos)01.htm
I could never find out where it is exactly though.
Cunnilinguist
02-06-06, 06:15
vm is located 5 miles (8 km.) north-west from copacabana beach, next to the middle-class praca da bandeira distrito (neighborhood), on rua sotero dos reis near the são cristovão metro elevated station (1600 feet, 3 blocks). there is only one street, rua ceara that leads in and out of vm; avn oswaldo aranha is the main street passing perpendicular to rua ceara. the entrance onto rua ceara (and consequently into vm) is a 150 foot supervia rail overpass tunnel. use caution when walking thru the tunnel after dark. otherwise the surrounding neighborhoods of praca da bandeira to the south of vm and morro do barro vermelho to the north are quite safe.
vm has its own website which covers general vm news and events, and covers nothing in respects to what really goes on there. http://www.vilamimosa.com.br/
here is a most recent post of “vm” from franga 02.05.06
**vila mimosa visit**
last night i took a first-time visit to vila mimosa just to experience the place and to get laid.
thanks to perkele, senior isg member for his advice on getting to vm.
getting there i took the metro to presidente vargas station about 9.30pm. coming out of the metro there were a lot of dodgy characters in the shadows so was a bit worried. took a taxi fairly quickly. i had read bubba´s report previously and he indicated that vm was 12km and a 25r taxi ride from centro. as it turned out it was only about 4km and a 9r taxi fare. so that was good news.
wow what a place! the road leading in is lined with food vendors. then in the bar area the music is blaring, there are people all over the place. hookers in bikinis standing in the alleyways as the clientele file by.
there are 3 main alleyways and i walked up and down them several times looking for the girl of my choice. there were a few lookers here (maybe 5 overall), but most are below par. i spotted a really sexy blonde girl so i said hello but it was really noisy there and the language barrier proved too much so i moved on.
finally got talking to an older woman standing next to a sexy young black girl. the older woman spoke some spanish, which i am better at than porto, so through her i get to take the younger girl, whose name was melissa. together we visit a guy nearby in a building fronting the main road there, who `keeps the accounts`. i pay my 26r. the guy writes the girls name in the exercise book with an amount of money next to it. he also writes the older woman’s name in the book with about 2r next to it. he gives the girl a condom, a tube of lube, and a heap of toilet paper. we ascend the spiral steps to the first floor where there are about 6 cubicles.
inside the cubicle there is a single-type bed with a cracked vinyl mattress. melissa spreads a clean sheet over it and we are ready to go. a great session. she was really into it. we clean up with toilet paper. there are no shower facilities.(though there is a toilet downstairs if you need to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) prior).
i give her a 10r tip which she is really happy with. i am really happy with melissa as she was a really lovely, nice girl (from salvador she said)
i take the taxi back to catete where i am staying (16r). overall a unique experience, and a great memory (among many) in rio as a first time visitor.
recommendation: take foam earplugs as the music there can be annoyingly loud. safety-wise i had no problems at all. just take a taxi there and back and you should be ok.
here are excerpts from 2 popular guides on rio (great report, bubba!!!):
***vila mimosa*** (from bwana dik’s rio guide 2005)
if you’re in the mood for something different—something “down and dirty”—you may want to check you vila mimosa (or vm, as it’s known to most). vm is a small section in the old downtown area (not far from the soccer stadium, maracanã) that is home to some very seedy and inexpensive brothels. vm is a local institution that primarily serves locals.
what will you find in vm? there are a bunch of tiny beer bars and small houses each with several small rooms. you can select a girl and head to one of these rooms and do the deed on site. here’s the deal, though. if cleanliness is next to godliness, vm borders on hell. the rooms run from dirty to disgusting. the girls vary wildly in quality, from “butt-¬ugly, wouldn’t get close enough to beat it with a 10-foot stick” to surprisingly pretty. i saw quite a number of girls who looked **** as well (if **** girls appeal to you, you might want to tour a brasilian jail before you decide to imbibe). but this is budget-sex central: you should never pay more than 20-25 reais for a turn with a girl here. you may pay double that if you decide to take her back to your place (not a bad idea if you’re averse to cum-covered sheets). to be honest, this is not my cup of tea, but it’s another of those places that any visitor should see at least once. the action seems to get going around 5 p.m. and goes well into the night.
***villa mimosa*** (from bubba boy’s “the bubba report “ (2006)
vm is worth visiting just for the experience, if you choose to do a girl there, then you are a braver man than me my friend. it is basically a collection of "bars" within a small area. security does patrol the area and hence it is relatively safe providing you do not do something really stupid. to quote bs, security is operated by private forces and hence is very efficient. it is not the place to be loud and brash.
girls charge anywhere from r20 and up, depending on what you want. rooms are r5 for the nasty ones, and r7 for the less nasty ones. i believe the r7 gets you clean sheets! i once went there with 2 american book ends, we had a bet who would be brave enough to fuck in those rooms. no one took the cash, i remember some one saying they would go into the rooms if a hazmat uniform could be provided. i believe if you wanted to do a girl you could take her out of the place to short term motel, this may be a preferable option. good with their low expectations. (hazmat= hazardous materials)
vm is located a couple of suburbs from centro, probably 12km from copa and about r25 in a cab.
a post from doc bill on vm ( 17.11.05 )
"villa mimosa: best for last? well, maybe not, but certainly the most interesting. since there were three of us going i felt not-too-nervous about it, and i felt it was something i had to do to earn my stripes in brazil. we went at about 11 on a friday night. it has been said that “if cleanliness is next to godliness then villa mimosa borders on hell,” and i actually found that to be a gross understatement. if you’re a germaphobe or have any inclination to take a crap before you leave then don’t go! this was the most disgusting filthy place i have ever seen in my life – people pissing, shitting and puking everywhere, shit all over the streets. it’s also wonderful and i would definitely return. the place is like a bar scene in a star wars movie, a true show to watch. about half the girls were wolf-ugly, and about 20 percent fairly good, with a couple of stunners. price was 20 reals for 20 minutes. all covered, quick and businesslike, but what do you want for eight bucks?! as for safety that was a non-issue. heavy police presence and brightly lit, and no one bothered anyone else that didn’t want to be bothered. a true sex bazaar/bizarre!" doc bill
here are maps (both road and satellite) of “vm” , also three photos of “vm” (thanks, to a fellow monger), the são cristóvão elevated station, and last but not least 2 photos of a “vm” stunner (courtesy of ronny ron) great pics, ron !!!
photos will be uploaded in three parts.
(side note) there are typo errors in the spelling of vila mimosa in the photos with two ls instead of one.
i look forward to making my first trip to rio de janeiro in the summer of 2007 to view the pan-american games (and the ladies, of course).
the cunninglinguist
Cunnilinguist
02-06-06, 06:24
Photos Part 2:
More satellites and three street photos of Vila Mimosa “VM”
The CunningLinguist
Cunnilinguist
02-06-06, 06:28
Photos Part 3
Train Station and VM Stunner (courtesy of Ronny Ron)
The Cunninglinguist
Tiradentes
02-06-06, 20:30
Sorry to interrupt the mongering news with some sad stuff, but some of you might be interested.
I've been going to L'uomo for five years now and spend about 1/4 of my time in Rio. In that time I've gotten to know just about everybody there including the bartenders, managers, owner, etc. I've often just hung out til after closing time and joined some of them for beers at the little hole-in-the-wall bar downstairs.
I got a phone call this morning from one of my regular girls there with some sad news: Last night they had a party on the beach in front of Help after closing to celebrate the DJ's (Sergio) birthday. His mother in-law and his niece or daughter (not sure) were crossing Avenida Atlantica coming back from the restroom and they both got hit by a drunk driver.
Sergio's mother-in-law died instantly and the girl had some nasty exposed fractures, but survived. The police caught the drunk driver having another beer at Barril 1800 in Arpoador!
Sad news and another reminder to watch out for the drivers in Rio!
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I think I read this news in the globo newspaper. According to them ,the old lady didn't die. However, she is in a grave situation.
One more thing: i couldn't agree more than you about driving in Rio. The drivers in rio are nuts, especially at night, where they DO NOT stop at red lights.
Here is the report:
Idosa atropelada em Ipanema
A aposentada Raquel Arreira, de 81 anos, foi atropelada por um carro, na manhã de ontem, na Avenida Vieira Souto, em Ipanema. O acidente aconteceu em frente ao restaurante Barril 1.800. Raquel, moradora do bairro, foi socorrida pelos bombeiros e levada para o Hospital Miguel Couto. De acordo com o boletim médico, o estado é considerado grave. Policiais da 14 DP (Leblon) estão investigando o caso
Well I think I found the perfect cure for my Rio hangover, just go back!!! Just planned a trip for March 20th. That will mean only 48 days between trips. I only wish I could keep up that pace but neither my job or my wallet will allow it. The one thing I forgot to point out on my last couple posts on this board is how many great guys from this board that I met on my trip. At first I really wasn't to keen on the idea of going to Rio by myself but I got a lot of help from people on this site in getting hotel rooms and showing me the ropes of Copa. Ended up making new friends from all over the world. I have to especially thank Ibiza007, Captain Ant, and my boys from Germany Frank White. If any new members of this board need info about planning a trip to Rio, feel free to PM me and I'll help you out in anyway I can. From this trip, I got hooked up with people to get the cheapest nice hotel rooms, the place to get the best exchange rate, and Fernando, the best tour guide in all of Rio. And if you do go to Rio, take a break from the mongering scene and check out a soccer game at the big stadium. It's definitely an incredible experience.
Exec Talent
02-07-06, 01:03
sorry to interrupt the mongering news with some sad stuff, but some of you might be interested.
i've been going to l'uomo for five years now and spend about 1/4 of my time in rio. in that time i've gotten to know just about everybody there including the bartenders, managers, owner, etc. i've often just hung out til after closing time and joined some of them for beers at the little hole-in-the-wall bar downstairs.
i got a phone call this morning from one of my regular girls there with some sad news: last night they had a party on the beach in front of help after closing to celebrate the dj's (sergio) birthday. his mother in-law and his niece or daughter (not sure) were crossing avenida atlantica coming back from the restroom and they both got hit by a drunk driver.
sergio's mother-in-law died instantly and the girl had some nasty exposed fractures, but survived. the police caught the drunk driver having another beer at barril 1800 in arpoador!
sad news and another reminder to watch out for the drivers in rio!
his name is carlos should you wish to express your sympathies when you see him. the information that i was given was that his mother-in-law did die and the little girl (8 years old) had her legs severely damaged. you do have to be careful. i do not think it is my imagination that cars seem to speed up and change into your lane when they see you crossing.
Exec Talent
02-07-06, 02:00
A couple friends had never been in Centaurus so I went along as tour guide and to watch their backs. So few guys and so many girls. I just hung out with my regular girl all night and let her know I would take care of her outside the club. One of the other guys waited until after closing and met up with his girl then. They once again tried to charge me for extra drinks. This time I just said no. It was like a meeting at the UN. Everyone including my girl was required to attend. In the end, they took them off. My girl was cool and insisted that we never had the drinks (which was the truth).
The guys I was with asked me if I knew Centaurus management. Yeah, I know them. Like a cowboy knows a rattlesnake. Keep your eyes on it all the time and never go to sleep.
The entrance onto Rua Ceara (and consequently into VM) is a 150 foot SuperVia rail overpass tunnel. Use caution when walking thru the tunnel after dark. Otherwise the surrounding neighborhoods of Praca da Bandeira to the south of VM and Morro do Barro Vermelho to the north are quite safe.
A lot of information posted by other board members disagrees with that. If you ask enough people they will usually tell you it is *not* safe for a gringo to walk in the neighbourhood surrounding VM. No matter whether it's day or night.
I am not able to give you first hand information either way. Because I am cautious enough to take that advice and not walk in or out of VM.
I am happy to walk alone in many parts of Rio at 2am in the morning, but VM is one area I would not walk in. You are too much of a target for an opportunistic mugging.
I would recommend anyone visiting VM to take a taxi in and out. If you are on a budget you can take the taxi from a nearby metro stop like Sao Cristovao or Maracana.
That apart, thanks CL for the primer on Vila Mimosa. Lots of good information gathered into one post.
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I think I read this news in the globo newspaper. According to them ,the old lady didn't die. However, she is in a grave situation.
One more thing: i couldn't agree more than you about driving in Rio. The drivers in rio are nuts, especially at night, where they DO NOT stop at red lights.
Here is the report:
Idosa atropelada em Ipanema
A aposentada Raquel Arreira, de 81 anos, foi atropelada por um carro, na manhã de ontem, na Avenida Vieira Souto, em Ipanema. O acidente aconteceu em frente ao restaurante Barril 1.800. Raquel, moradora do bairro, foi socorrida pelos bombeiros e levada para o Hospital Miguel Couto. De acordo com o boletim médico, o estado é considerado grave. Policiais da 14 DP (Leblon) estão investigando o caso
As most everybody here already knows but whenever anybody ever asks me what to watch out for in Rio:
Number one is petty theft from muggers.
Number 2 is the Police as at times they can be more dangerous than the muggers.
Number 3 is traffic, those buses are deadly as they wip around corners and that intersection in front of Barrill 1800 has so many cars coming from many directions, you have to be quick on your feet and very aware and I don't think it was something an 80 year old woman should have done with an 8 year old girl on their own, what a shame.
Number 4 is the surf, I don't know how many times I have seen tired or drunk mongers walk into the surf and not come back, it's frightening.
As far as the traffic is concerned, I grew up in New York City, drove a truck in Manhattan and delivered packages in Times Square when I was a kid. Traffic is nothing for me but I find the traffic in Rio challenging especially wearing those beach sandals/thongs/havaianas which I can barely walk in and almost impossible to run across the street in.
One Wing Low
02-08-06, 03:05
I' ve seen many guys in Rio, wearing these flimsy rubber thongs, pulling along huge recyling ox carts overloaded with everything, including broken stoves, washer, dryers, cardboard etc...
It's hopeless exercises in futility. But they still do it.
As far as the traffic is concerned, I grew up in New York City, drove a truck in Manhattan and delivered packages in Times Square when I was a kid. Traffic is nothing for me but I find the traffic in Rio challenging especially wearing those beach sandals/thongs/havaianas which I can barely walk in and almost impossibel to run across the street in.
I would recommend anyone visiting VM to take a taxi in and out. If you are on a budget you can take the taxi from a nearby metro stop like Sao Cristovao or Maracana.
That's a good suggestion.
How much, roughly, would a taxi cost from those metro stations?
I' ve seen many guys in Rio, wearing these flimsy rubber thongs, pulling along huge recyling ox carts overloaded with everything, including broken stoves, washer, dryers, cardboard etc...
It's hopeless exercises in futility. But they still do it.
You are an [Deleted by Admin], sir. Given very little oppurtunities, and not many choices, people do what they do to survive in a developing and/or an under-developed nation. Hope is not futile... Fica com Deus. Valeu.
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GabrielPontello
02-08-06, 10:47
I totally agree Amerioca.
Brazilian people try to make the best with the few opportunities he has.
I guess we have to learn a big lesson from them and try to not stack up.
Exec Talent
02-08-06, 13:15
I' ve seen many guys in Rio, wearing these flimsy rubber thongs, pulling along huge recyling ox carts overloaded with everything, including broken stoves, washer, dryers, cardboard etc...
It's hopeless exercises in futility. But they still do it.
What seems to be futile is changing the attitudes of arrogant Americans. While I certainly do find myself shaking my head sometimes over how they do things in Brazil, more often I will step in and give them a hand. We can do a lot, one on one to change the attitude toward Americans.
If you are coming to Brazil, be respectful, be helpful, be courteous, but don't be a pompous ass. At least not with the Brazilians. Personally, I reserve that for dealing with Americans who think they know everything.
That's a good suggestion.
How much, roughly, would a taxi cost from those metro stations?
About 5 or 6 reais, maybe.
What seems to be futile is changing the attitudes of arrogant Americans. While I certainly do find myself shaking my head sometimes over how they do things in Brazil, more often I will step in and give them a hand. We can do a lot, one on one to change the attitude toward Americans.
If you are coming to Brazil, be respectful, be helpful, be courteous, but don't be a pompous ass. At least not with the Brazilians. Personally, I reserve that for dealing with Americans who think they know everything.
Well, being french , I can tell you that the most arrogant and disgusting people I met in Brazil (and many other countrys for that matter) are french.
Doesn`t make me very proud of saying where I am coming from.
Exec Talent
02-08-06, 21:52
Well, being french , I can tell you that the most arrogant and disgusting people I met in Brazil (and many other countrys for that matter) are french.
Doesn`t make me very proud of saying where I am coming from.
So, when they act arrogant most people attribute it to the fact that most have a notoriously small penis. However, when Americans act arrogant, they mean it. Please don’t get me started on the Japanese.
Ok guys first off sorry no pics, I dropped my camera before I left and it shattered.
Anyway here we go.
I arrived in Rio on the 2nd of February about 1pm or so. Took the taxi to the Arporador Inn and checked in. I hit the beach about 3 or so and just decided to kick it.
About 8pm I decided to head off to Solarium. I printed the R$60 off coupon and the staff was friendly and courteous as I checked in. After I changed I headed upstairs to the bar. I found a spot and orded a beer and was going to check out the action for a bit. It did not take too long but a tall dark haired chica came up to me and started talking. Before too long we were DFK at the bar for a few minutes. She really was not to my liking, so I was not inclinded to go upstairs with her. I politely excused my self for a bit, and wend down stairs to sit in the steam room. I headed back upstairs about 20 min later and saw a very cute chica with long brown hair sitting on the bench. I sat down next to her and started taking, her name is Amanda and she JUST turned 20 yrs old. After a few minutes of her little English and my even less Portugese we started in with some DFK, while she reached up my robe and started to wake up Mr. Happy. After about 15 mintes of this we decided to get a room. After we get upstairs they say no rooms available so go back down and wait. So we head back down to the bar and engage in some more DFK and heavy petting. Once our room is available we head in and get down to business. Started off with a GREAT BBBJ followed by Cow Girl, Mish, and Doggie, after we were done we still had some time left so she curled up in my arms and we did some more DFK and hugs etc... a real GFE.
Once my time with Amanda was over, I went back down to the sauna for a bit and then just kind of kicked back in the relax room. I went back up stairs about 10pm and started to scope out my next date. A couple of girls were dancing around on the floor doing a striptease. One of the girls came up to me and started to grind her ass into my crotch. She went back over to her girl friend and they kind of did their thing. Then she came back over and undid my robe right there and threw it on the ground, she got down on her knees and gave Mr. Happy a little kiss. She then picked up a guys cocktail and poured it down her chest.
Ok, I am now really looking for date number 2. I spotted a cute little blonde. Her name is Eduarda. She said she was 24, but she really looked about 18. In any event she was kind of wearind a cute little school girl outfit and her hair was up in pig tails. Naughty and Nice!. Well since I speak almost no Portugese, and she spoke no English this could be difficult. She did not warm up the way Amanda did with lots DFK, and I was tempted to pass. But I figured what the heck. We head upstairs, while I was getting settled in the room she changed into a sexy white neglegee, and let her hair down. As she entered the room she turned the lights down, and turned on some soft music, love songs no less. Gentlemen, her forplay and the sex we had was incredible, like on your wedding night. Lots of tender kissing, toughing, her lightly biting my ears. And as for her box, VERY TIGHT, she was actually kind of worried that I was too big, and she asked me to go slow and easy. I did, at first. After we were done, again this one curled up in my arms and gentle kissing touching. Very nice. (Will you marry me?)
Well that wraps up night 1. The bill R$333.00. Not bad, compared to what the girls at Help are asking for now.....more on Help later.
Day 2 (Feb 3), I rented a bike in the AM and rode all over Copacabana and Impanema, then hit the beach for the rest of the day. I went out that night but decided to just kind of kick it and watch from a restaurant on Atlantic Av. So no girl tonight.
Day 3(Feb 4). Went hang gliding in the AM, and beach in the afternoon. About 8pm I went out to dinner and was planning on Help tonight. About 1000 I headed over to Help and decided to have a Beer at the restaurant in front of help. Sure enough before long I had a girl asking me if I wanted company. Well not quite yet, so I bought her a drink and we talked. She told me she was not wearing any panties, and grabbed my hand and slid it up her skirt to PROVE it. So great, got a stinky finger in one hand and a beer in the other. God I love Rio!.
I entered Help about 11:30 and headed up to the cashier to buy some drink tickets. I ordered a drink, and stood at the bar. After a few minutes a blonde chica was eyeballing me. I approached her and she said she remembered me from two years ago. Now I do remember her, her name is Christina. We never even closed a deal, she wanted R$300 TWO YEARS AGO!. We danced, drank but that was it and she remembered me. (This was the first of a total of three girls that remembered me.)
I spent the rest of the night mingling. Guys WTF is up with HELP girls. Starting off at this R$400 BS? SOME came down to $300, none below that, and I spoke to about 10 or so. Considering the great time I had at Solarium for about the same (that was TWO girls). I was hard pressed to pay ONE girl the same or more. So guys I will admit it, I did not close a deal at Help. I did however speak to a couple of the bottom feeders, and they were too holding about R$300. BS Dudes! Who the F*&% started to pay these prices.
I did find one, Joanne a reddish blonde hair about 25. She agreed on R$150, ok thats the # I was looking for.
Day 4- Nothing
Day 5- Met up with Daisy a cute SW near Havana restaurant, went back to my hotel and we did some BBBJ, DATY, DFK, Mish, Doggie. After I finished she gave me a great massage and then proceeded with another BBBJTC. She asked if she could spend the night because she had no where to go. I was tempted but I had a hookup the next morning that I did not want to pass on. So I said no.
Ok here we go, day 6 and last.
4x4, On my last trip I exchanged email with Sheila a cute 24y/o with reddish brown hair. We have been in contact for the last several months writing a few times a week back and fourth. I arrived at 4x4 about 3pm, I looked all over for her but could not find her. I sat down in the lounge and was drinking a cold beer, when another tall blonde came upto me and sat down next to me. She put her arms around me and gave me a kiss on the cheek and then worked her way around and started with some DFK, she she reached up under my robe and started to get Mr. Happy goin. After about 15 mins I still did not see Sheila in the room, so I figured that she was not there. So, I went up stairs with Gabriella, as we were checking into the room, another cute young blone was sitting by the counter and recognized me. I played with her 6 mos ago on my last visit. (Guys does this happen to you where there girls remember you even after several months?). Anyway Gabriella and I head off to the room and get down to business. Lots of DFK, BBBJ, DATY, CG, RCG, MISH, DOGGIE. One thing scares me about this is my condom slipped off when I was in her, so I hope I did not catch anything. Anyway after Gabriella and I finished. I headed back to the steam room for a bit and took a shower and headed back to the bar.
I sat in the back for a fewminutes and sure enough. There is Sheila. Now remember guys I did establish a personal relationship with this one. I sent her some Christmas gifts and have been writing to her on a regular basis. We spent a few minutes talking and cuddling kissing, we decide to head up stairs. All I can say guys, ALL OF THE ABOVE and more. It pays off to establish a personal relationship with these girls. Matter of a fact, when the phone rang when our time was up she did not care, she wanted to start over again. We went a good 15-20 min over. And yes, I am keepign this one.
Thats about it guys.
The one thing that suck is this ******* we have in the White House is destroying the American dollar and since the rate is now basically 2-1, it is slowly getting more expensive to go. I would not be suprised if in 2 years it will be 1-1 then beyond that 1-2?
One Wing Low
02-08-06, 23:02
You guys are way too shallow and sensitive. Your personal attacks just show your own ignorance and immaturity.
I just thought there was a markedly funny difference between a gringo who could not cross the street in rubber thongs and Brazilians who try to pull big carts in them, especially in the rain in Rio.
Personally I slipped quite a few times in rubber thongs on wet pavement, and could have cracked my head and died. I actually sympathize with the limited resources of the poor people, rather than laughing at them. Nevertheless, the recyclers in this example should realize that spending a little money on better shoes may enable them to be more productive and make more money etc... It seems they did not care much about their safety or productivity.
At deeper levels, the basic attitudes of the peoples may explain their different rates of economic development.
We were pretty much taught early on to buy the best, not necessarily the most expensive, tools for the jobs. It starts with parents buying good, comfortable shoes for children as soon as they learn to walk, to protect their precious feet, because damages may last a life time, and medical care is very expensive in America. Visits to podiatrists in America cost far more than buying good shoes regularly.
The market in America also pays high prices for high talents, the precious mental tools that deliver techology breakthoughs, or execute novel business strategies to rake in lots of wealth to entrepreneurs and investors. That's how the little guys who started Microsoft, Yahoo, Google and the likes became billionaires.
Further back, it may have been human's drive and knack to invent tools to improve their productivity that sparked their development above other mamals in the evolutionary process. Drive to improve tools and productivity also sparked the industrial revolution in Western Europe.
My comments usually have deeper connections to other human endeavors. Please understand and refrain from childish personal attacks.
You are an ignorant *******, sir. Given very little oppurtunities, and not many choices, people do what they do to survive in a developing and/or an under-developed nation. Hope is not futile... Fica com Deus. Valeu.
Gentlemen, her forplay and the sex we had was incredible, like on your wedding night.
Oh, c'mon, the sex couldn't have been that bad, LOL!
The one thing that suck is this ******* we have in the White House is destroying the American dollar and since the rate is now basically 2-1, it is slowly getting more expensive to go. I would not be suprised if in 2 years it will be 1-1 then beyond that 1-2?
Although I am no fan of the president, I actually think (lately at least) that the government of Brasil is more responsible for the stronger real. And it may only get stonger, since there is now a bill being pushed in Brasilia that would eliminate taxes on financial investments for foreign investors in Brasil. This is one reason why the Real has actually strengthened in the last week or so, and may strengthen some more (don't quote me on this though). Makes me glad I'm in Ecuador right now, where the American peso is king!
Anyways, nice trip report.
One Wing Low
02-09-06, 01:20
Did anybody besides me find Japanese genitalias the tightest anywhere in the world? If a lot of people can confirm this fact, then this appears to be an excellent genetic trait for Japanese women.
I will refrain from any inference regarding the genetics of Japanese genitals, lest WWIII may be started from ISG.
I don't remember if any war in the past was started because of metaphors related to the size of genitals. For a while, Russia and America kept on competing on the sizes of their ICBMs and nuclear warheads. For some reason, these generals do like their phallic symbols, hehehe.
So, when they act arrogant most people attribute it to the fact that most have a notoriously small penis. However, when Americans act arrogant, they mean it. Please don’t get me started on the Japanese.
Member #4156
02-09-06, 16:11
Arrived in Rio yesterday, and I made a little terma tour. Started off at Centarus. Except for the management, everything Exect Talet has said about the place i can validate. Its true that they pressure you into getting two girls, its true there is a girl who hassles you from the moment they give you your key and she even obliges to dress you while youre in the dressing room. Over all, I didn´t see anything I would like so i left after 30 min, but they only chared me 90 reais up front not the full 310.
Next stop Solarium. This place Ive visted once before and Ive now seen more gatas that I would love to come back and visit. This place almost made me go against my policy for the day "look but dont touch". I had to leave imediatamente.
Next stop your favorite Gringo´s terma, L´uomo. Place wasnt that packed. Seen alot of familiar faces. Spent more time talking than I should have. Selection was okay. But not better than it was in August. After spending 15 minutes on to the next place...Monte Carlo
Im a member of hotside and the good ole amigões invited me to a festa. You know I'll take anything with a discount. There is a gata there named Soraya (she gets rave reviews) that also responds to her TD posted by other cariocas and I was interested in paying her a visit, we exchanged emails in between time. Showed up, the house was full. Probably 70 people mostly from hotside. Many good looking girls, bundãos, popozãos whatever. Very tempting. Since this was going to be my last stop for today, i decided to formally introduce myself to Soraya and we went up. I didnt take any pictures but she sent me a couple before I left the states. More on her report later but for now, all I can say is homegirl is a total freak. Uma tarada com vontade!!!! I must admit, I wasnt ready for her.
Ezinho:
I went to Via Show last night. Shit was closed. I read on the internet that their programação is from wed to sun but they were closed last night. That was a R93,00 learning experience that i´ll have to eat for the moment.
After that, too early to go to sleep (1:00) so I you know...the usual suspects, I went to Help. Same ole shit. I tried to lay low and maybe not be noticed but after a couple of hours I felt like a tug-of-war rope. They don't understand the meaning of "chill" here in brasil no?
I would like to formally thank the dude who posted the office's info in the board. I went there this morning. Last time I was here I could not find the place. It seamed like everyone heard about it, but no one could tell me where it was. Today Im going to go "TRY" to do a centro terma tour. (notice I said try) And tonight finish off the night with a visit to Beija Flor. Ha!
Full Throttle
02-09-06, 16:29
Anybody up for fun TOMORROW, FRIDAY, in Rio, PM!
Contemplating beer, 4X4 in the afternoon, beer, eventually Help or something, beer... whatever.
Although, I'm not married to the specifics. In fact, south of the equator, I'm not married to ANYTHING!
FT
Cost of night out is R30.4 Full Service with the "7" (or lower!) of your choice, and includes "transfers" (ie metro plus some walking).
This worked for me last time, and is only recommended if you have visited VM at least once by taxi in and out, as you will probably get lost. As a VM veteran (I have been 3 times you know!), here is the shoestringer´s scoop.
Preparation:
Take R26 for the girl plus room fee, and R4.4 for the metro. Make sure you have exact amounts and carry in your wallet or pouch.
Take lube (essential item, as usually the girls don´t carry it.), 500ml water bottle as you will need a drink during the night as perusing the alleyways can be hot work, plus tourist map of the streets. Carry this stuff in a disposable bag.
Take extra R20 hidden in your favourite hiding place for emergencies.
Recommended items: a sheet, the girl may not have one and all of the "beds" are of cracked vinyl.
foam ear plugs: really noisy music sometimes.
Getting there and away: Take metro to Sao Cristovao station. (I usually buy 2 tickets on entry). The trip there will be packed with commuters, but empty on the way back. You will have to change trains at Estacio.
Exit SC on the southern side and walk about 7 minutes along the main road there towards Centro (sorry can´t remember the name of the road but it is a major road). You are looking for Rua Ceara which will appear on the left and is an underpass. In Ceara take the first street to the right and walk the cobblestoned road to the end. To the left is the road Rua Sotero dos Reis leading to VM. And you are there. All up it takes about 10 minutes to walk from Sao Cristovao station.
I did this 2 days ago and nobody bothered me. As I only have minimal cash on me I wasn´t worried.
Enjoy your time in VM, do the deed, and then return the same way. This way you get to avoid those maniac taxi drivers which will add at least R30 to your bill for the night. Use this for a good night of groping (at you!) at HELP.
Thanks to Cunlinguist who provided the impetus for this trip, with his great report and maps.
Sunset Strip
02-11-06, 22:53
Exec Talent said, "We can do a lot, one on one to change the attitude toward Americans."
100% True and I work on this myself.
But I also think a BIG part of the probem is the resentment Brazilians have of our money. I told you all about the garota in MABS (she is over 40 actually) who recently yelled at me that she was hungry and needed me to by her dinner. How is this MY problem?
She also threatened to call the cops if I did not pay her bill. She had somehow contrived in some way that I, the Americano, had caused her hunger.
When I was 18 I joined the military and put up with much shit (although I did visit Brazil for the first time this way) to earn money for college. I used the GI Bill and worked two jobs to get through a really good school.
Now this Brazilian garota is telling me about the lack of opportunities in Brazil and acting as if it is my problem! I did not just click my toes and get where I am. So instead of being angry with us they need to be a little more respectful because I DO NOT OWE them ANYTHING. And many Americans started with very little and worked their way up.
I cannot respect people who ask for handouts! And that is what many of these girls in Copacabana want.
So, yes, Americans can be less arrogant, but many Brazilians need to stop worrying about our MONEY and get some themselves.
Also, Brazil is now the richest Latin American country. But it has gross poverty. Tell these people to tell their rich politicians and leaders to do something about it instead of blaming somebody who lives thousands of miles away!
TJ
I will be heading to Rio in mid-March. I have always stayed at the Praia Ipanema a moderate hotel with a GREAT location. I have always enjoyed my stay there. The staff has always been friendly, and I have never had a problem bringing a "guest" to the room for an overnight stay. I have been traveling to Rio for over 20 years. In all my visits, I have always stayed in Ipanema. Money, fortunately, has never been an issue. I am thinking that maybe I should give the J.W. Marriott, in Copacabana a try. Is it DEFINITELY girl friendly? The Praia Ipanema is fine, but I would like to "treat" myself to some better accomidations. Any thoughts??? What is a MUST is that it MUST be girl friendly.
One Wing Low
02-12-06, 09:02
Kick their asses and they will know their proper places.
Also, Brazil is now the richest Latin American country. But it has gross poverty. Tell these people to tell their rich politicians and leaders to do something about it instead of blaming somebody who lives thousands of miles away!
TJ
Exec Talent
02-12-06, 16:53
TJ,
I agree with you completely. I often walk around Copacabana and get to know a lot of the people there. One guy really impressed me. He had his leg in a cast and was on crutches but that didn't prevent him from doing his car parking job rain or shine. When it rained he put a plastic bag around his foot to keep it dry. He always said hi to me and had a great attitude. One day I walked over to him, handed him R$20 and told him how much I admired his work ethic. This is a guy who never asked me for anything.
I must admit I have a soft spot in my heart (and often my wallet) for people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. People might think I am crazy for giving money to the street cleaners, but that is just how I am. However, I routinely walk by the street beggars without a thought. And, I too get royally pissed with the attitude, "you are a rich American, you can afford it." Yeah, I worked my ass off and if you tried it once in awhile you might have something too -- yes, even in Brazil.
For those who are complaining about prices in Rio and the weak dollar, I thought you might appreciate this photo taken from my front door this morning. 95 and sunny sure sounds good right now. I'd probably pay 600 Reals today to have a nice Help garota. 31 More days. :o)
Full Throttle
02-12-06, 19:22
I was able to spend Friday afternoon and night enjoying Rio. A great time and a couple of recommendations...
First, public apologies to ExecTalent. We planned to meet at the Balcony Bar at 3:45. Between coordinating with colleagues, traffic, and being dropped off in the rain about 5 blocks from the bar, we were an hour late. It is a GOOD place for beer (many choices), for the beach atmosphere, and for the pros. According to a new acquaintance from Houston, the girl quality gets better in the evening. It’s about a mile past Help heading away from Impanema. Large beers and bottles $R6, smaller draft beer $R4.50.
Since it was my colleagues first trip to Rio, I decided on one of the “Big 3 for the terma experience. Had I known what gluttons we would be, I probably would have chosen 4X4 for the economics, but we went to Monte Carlo. $R60 entrance, $R130 + $R60 for the 40 minute sessions. Beers $R5, Cappareinia’s $R9.
It’s been 5 years since I’ve been to Monte Carlo, so it was like going for the first time. A quick comparison to L’uomo’s:
1. Ambiance and layout. Favors L’uomos. If for no other reason, having everything on one floor is nicer. You can go from the shower/sauna, to the relaxing room by the masseuse’s quarters where the buffet food is located, locker room and terma bar without encountering a single stair. In fact, at least some of the rooms are on the floor, as well. At Monte Carlo, the locker is on zero, the masseuse, bathroom and shower on 1, the terma and cigar room (or whatever it is) on 2, and the chica rooms on 3 and 4 (at least). For gringos, you can read these numbers to be 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (at least). The music was not quite as blaring as L’uomo’s, which I, for one, appreciated.
2. Customer service. Can’t complain about either. The bar staff at Monte Carlo was more active, checking to see if you needed anything even when sitting away from the bar. And, we always seemed to need something... The bathroom attendant was rarely around at Monte Carlo, and he had the disposable toothbrushes hidden away, so I had to track him down a couple of times. The girl at the Monte Carlo front desk is very attractive, and has a fun, sharp sense of humor.
3. Girls. Practically homogenous. In fact, I recognized one from L’uomos. All of the girls we encountered had great personalities, and were a lot of fun in the rooms. The level of service is so consistently good at the termas, that recommending specific girls is almost unnecessary. That said, I had a fun, spirited session with Elena. She was blondish (fake, but very soft hair), about 5'4 , small up top, but a very firm and exercised body. I think she said 24, but I could be wrong. She has sharp, slavic features. The interesting facet of the session with her was that, after oral stimulation, she only wanted sex on side B, which was a first for me. In fact, I found the concept a little TOO exciting, leading to a rather truncated experience. Damn. Julian is also fantastic, as she had a genuine smile on her face from 4pm to midnight. And, I was with a girl with an impossibly complicated French name. She was tall and fair-skinned. Again, I think you have to work to go wrong.
Then, off to Help...
Full Throttle
02-12-06, 19:23
After six hours at the terma, we headed to Help. As has become my defacto habit, we didn’t go in, but enjoyed the spectacle outside of Help. We had no plans for further activity, which probably left us a bit vulnerable. To make a long story a medium-sized one, we spent 3+hours talking to various girls. There was one that looked like Lisa Bonet, and some other attractive girls. However, most of the girls outside are of rather poor quality, and seem to border on being panhandlers. Of course, that is because there are people like us waiting to be “handled...”
We ended up with 2 girls. Both started at $R300. Every hour or so, they came down a little. Finally, they agreed to our low-ball offers of $R120 plus taxi. Oops, now what? Well, we only had a little time in Rio, the restaurant had closed around us, Help was emptying out, and we had 2 girls that were willing to come to the hotel for the price that we offered. The experience is a reminder that you shouldn’t negotiate unless you want to take them.
Anyway, one, Roberta, was particularly annoying. I’ll try to include a photo. She is of medium-toned skin and littered with tattoos. The most pronounced is one of a dolphin playing with a ball while diving through waves. The detail took most of her neck and shoulder. It looked to be drawn by a kindergartner. She was an incredibly hard bargainer up to that point, which is why we were surprised at her last-minute acquiescence. On the way to the hotel, I almost sent her home. She was chewing out the taxi driver for using the meter Minutes before, we turned down a generous offer from a private driver to transport all 4 of us for a mere $R70. We also passed on his counter offer of $50. This stupid chick was telling our taxi driver that he could get 50 or 70 if he wanted. Our meter read less than 15 when we arrived at the door. Anyway, all’s well that ends well, as the tension apparently followed her to the bedroom, where my friend and she had a very energetic interlude.
The girl I brought was Katiuscia. She is a morena, which is an unusual choice for me. But, she was consistently pleasant during the evening, and I didn’t regret inadvertently contracting for her services. Once in the room, she was a maniac. The bathtub seemed to turn her into some sort of obsessed sexual beast. While so many girls seem to shy away from fingers, she basically treated my hand like her own personal power tool. For about an hour and a half, I was just along for the ride. She had four fingers from both of my hands busy simultaneously, then my entire hand – another first (fist?) for me. I didn’t even have sex with her, mainly because I realized that I’d be docking a tuna boat in a slip designed for a cruise ship. Plus, she fell quickly and completely to sleep after having one of those “O” things Macna***ia (or whatever) claims don’t happen.
Around 11:00, I awakened here with a little tickle on her back, which she immediately parlayed into round 2. This time, she finished me with a BBBJCIM, NSNQ. We then took a nice, long bath together. She was actually quite sweet, spending considerable time making the bath an enjoyable, soapy-fun experience. She left a little after noon. All-in-all, a nice time, although my next 10 girls are going to be non-smokers.
FT
Sunset Strip
02-12-06, 21:24
Exec Talent said," One guy really impressed me. He had his leg in a cast and was on crutches but that didn't prevent him from doing his car parking job rain or shine. When it rained he put a plastic bag around his foot to keep it dry. He always said hi to me and had a great attitude. One day I walked over to him, handed him R$20 and told him how much I admired his work ethic. This is a guy who never asked me for anything."
Is this a black guy on Prado Jr. near Mabs?
If so, I know him, too.
I think you have the right attitude. I help people who are trying to. And I actually do not mind helping those who are not trying. My problem, like you, is with those who do not even try and resent what others have.
A lot of this is no doubt part of Brazilian politics. If you keep the povo (masses) focused on America, they will remain complacent about things at home!
TJ
TJ,
I agree with you completely. I often walk around Copacabana and get to know a lot of the people there. One guy really impressed me. He had his leg in a cast and was on crutches but that didn't prevent him from doing his car parking job rain or shine. When it rained he put a plastic bag around his foot to keep it dry. He always said hi to me and had a great attitude. One day I walked over to him, handed him R$20 and told him how much I admired his work ethic. This is a guy who never asked me for anything.
I must admit I have a soft spot in my heart (and often my wallet) for people trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. People might think I am crazy for giving money to the street cleaners, but that is just how I am. However, I routinely walk by the street beggars without a thought. And, I too get royally pissed with the attitude, "you are a rich American, you can afford it." Yeah, I worked my ass off and if you tried it once in awhile you might have something too -- yes, even in Brazil.I'm not American, as you may have noticed, but indeed I've observed that a number of Brazilians really fight for their living - think about the old people and entire families collecting empty cans on the beaches - and others don't. Unfortunately most of the GDPs belong to the second category, according to my humble opinion. There are maybe tens (or hundreds) of thousands of hookers in Brazil, but that's still a ridiculous minority, if you think about the overall population. The vast majority is earning their living for themselves (and their families) in some other way. Tougher, but more respectable.
It was an interesting theory a GDP told me (about the reasons for her poverty and the necessity to practice her profession): "All the best jobs in Brazil are taken by rich foreigners (=expats), so there are no more opportunities left for the local people!" LOL
I've met some GDPs, though, who are executing a very decisive plan to accumulate some capital and then buy a house and start their own business. Others just waste the huge amount of money they earn (in their very limited "golden years") into clothes, drugs and easy living.
BD
Thursday. Feb. 9th... GDP news, Hooker swan dives out of her window at 4AM and lands on the sidewalk in front of Frank’s Bar... DOI, (Dead on Impact)..
Anyone lucky enough to be in Rio at the moment might want to check out the free Rolling Stones concert on the beach at Copa on Sat. night. There will be tons of women of all types, and can be a good way to meet locals you might otherwise never encounter on the "circuit". If nothing is happening you can always bail out and catch the late show at Help. Damn I wish I was there.
I just checked oanda.com and the rate is down again. 2.14. this really blows. There has been some debate about where this rate is going. some said about 1.80 and some said back up to 2.40. It looks like we are on our way to 1.80. at least 2 to1. If this baby ever hits1 to1,how many guys would have to stop going to brazil.its a depressing thought,i know,but it could be a possibility. i would imagine tourism would come to a halt. i dont care if you have euros or dollars.to pay 250.00 dollars to get into a terma is crazy. It seems like the less we get in reals, the more the prices of termas go up.
Yes, I too have been monitoring the exchange rate for some time. And the outlook for the debt heavy dollar is not very good. I would not be surprised to see 2R for 1USD in the very near future.
Weekender 123
02-15-06, 07:47
Hello,
I have booked my first trip to Rio and will be there at the end of March. This site has been invaluable for learning all about the activites in Rio. Having been to Costa Rica and Peru, I am sure they will pale in comparison. I am counting down the days.
One thing I wasn't able to find in the threads was satellite co-ordinates/images of the Terma's. I saw the shots of VM, but it would be great if someone could post the co-ordinates for the Termas.
Thanks in advance to anyone who is able to help out a newcomer to Rio.
If you are a big fan of the Rolling Stones then by all means go. Or if you just want to say you were there.
Otherwise I would steer clear.
Any hot looking woman will not show up to a free street concert, or else she will show up with a big group and will be very nervous. This is because of all the drunk Brazilian guys grabbing her body etc.
Anything free and involving alcohol, means it will be attended by mainly low class people and you will have problems. This is how Brazilians see it.
You should expect lots of crowd control problems at this concert, and huge shoving matches (empurrao) when it finishes and everyone tries to leave at the same time. There is probably not a big danger of being pickpocketed, but all the same you should be careful not to be an easy mark.
Just that fact that there might be 1 million people there doesn't make it necessarily fun. In Brazil it usually means the opposite -- stressy and you just want to take a long hot shower afterwards cause you feel dirty.
Anyone lucky enough to be in Rio at the moment might want to check out the free Rolling Stones concert on the beach at Copa on Sat. night. There will be tons of women of all types, and can be a good way to meet locals you might otherwise never encounter on the "circuit". If nothing is happening you can always bail out and catch the late show at Help. Damn I wish I was there.
Exec Talent
02-15-06, 18:45
If you are a big fan of the Rolling Stones then by all means go. Or if you just want to say you were there.
Otherwise I would steer clear.
Any hot looking woman will not show up to a free street concert, or else she will show up with a big group and will be very nervous. This is because of all the drunk Brazilian guys grabbing her body etc.
Anything free and involving alcohol, means it will be attended by mainly low class people and you will have problems. This is how Brazilians see it.
You should expect lots of crowd control problems at this concert, and huge shoving matches (empurrao) when it finishes and everyone tries to leave at the same time. There is probably not a big danger of being pickpocketed, but all the same you should be careful not to be an easy mark.
Just that fact that there might be 1 million people there doesn't make it necessarily fun. In Brazil it usually means the opposite -- stressy and you just want to take a long hot shower afterwards cause you feel dirty.
Cachorro,
I am going to need to go back and read your other posts. Your take on the Rolling Stones concert is so right on. I asked some Brazilian friends if they were going to attend and they said almost exactly what you did. I tried to get a room at the Copacabana Palace but they were all sold out.
Is anyone willing to share with me a room in your apt, for a price of course. I can not find a room for two nights only during the Carnival.
http://vacations.travelzoo.com/south-american-vacations/227392
I happened to see this one and thought others may benefit. My guess with taxes is around 1100 USD. Hope this helps
Exec Talent
02-15-06, 21:31
Exec Talent
I notice all your posts from Rio are all pretty big time. Are you a big time corporate exec from the USA making a big time salary? Please respond to your fans.
Thanks, Marak5
if I had a clue what you were talking about. "pretty big time." What does that mean?
Cachorro,
I am going to need to go back and read your other posts. Your take on the Rolling Stones concert is so right on. I asked some Brazilian friends if they were going to attend and they said almost exactly what you did. I tried to get a room at the Copacabana Palace but they were all sold out.
Feb 15, 2006 — RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) - Police will occupy slums next to Rio de Janeiro's Copacabana beach for this weekend's Rolling Stones concert to safeguard the trouble-prone area of the city, officials said on Wednesday.
Rio de Janeiro State Public Security Secretary Marcelo Itagiba criticized the choice of the venue by ***icipal authorities, but said everything will be done to prevent clashes, robberies and theft during Saturday night's free mega-show, when 1.5 million people are expected.
"I don't think the venue is ideal either from the point of view of security or tranquillity for residents," Itagiba told reporters.
He complained that private security hired by organizers will be paid, while police will do the hard work without any extra compensation.
The concert is being financed by the Rio ***icipality and two telecom***ications companies.
Itagiba said the show was potentially more dangerous than the annual New Year celebrations on Copacabana, as approximately the same number of people will be concentrated on just one-third of the famous beach.
"It's a huge mass of people in one spot, and it is not exactly a quiet show with classical music," Itagiba said.
A massive stage is being constructed on the sand opposite the elegant Copacabana Palace Hotel where the veteran British rockers will stay. Hotels are booked solid by fans and apartments overlooking the beach have been rented out.
More than 2,600 police officers will patrol Copacabana and oversee the crowd from 23 purpose-built towers.
In all of the city, 6,000 police will be deployed as part of the security scheme for the concert.
Police will occupy three shanty-towns in and around the Copacabana area and will also reinforce patrols around more than 20 other slums. Many Rio slums are controlled by powerful drug gangs and are not patrolled by police. Violent crime often spills over from the slums into city streets.
Some 6,600 people were killed last year in Rio, which has a population of 6 million. Copacabana is a haunt for prostitutes and drug dealers at night, and robberies occur there often during daytime.
a few random thoughts about life in rio. some of this will benefit a traveler to rio. i live across the street from the princess copacabana hotel. i am looking across at the balconies this morning, it is early, about 7:30am, and i see about 4-5 guys leaning on the rails, smoking, contemplating, thinking, thinking of jumping... not sure what is going through their minds. i can only imagine what went on in the hotel last night, good dates, bad dates, overnighters, who knows. what else i have observed is that the girls will be out on the balconies at about 11:00am, they tend to not be early risers. they often come out wearing a t-shirt they have borrowed.
just so i can justify this post being in this section, my friend chris came and provided a wonderfull massage last night. a great girl. i call and twenty minutes later, she arrives with a smile on her face. look for chris on hotside,com.br
girls, - copa is a small place geographically, and i see many of the help , beach girls at the bank, grocery store, suco bar, etc. when you see these girls in flip flops and no makeup and jeans, vs, spike heals and a short dress, well, there is a difference. many times a i do a double take, to make sure i am seeing the one i think i am seeing. i think, wow, i can not believe that is the same girl.
a few quick observations. it has been raining here lately and about 5 days ago was real good storm, water backed up everywhere, the streets flood here real quick when it rains hard. i was caught out in the storm, along ways from home, but in copa. i was wearing sandles, and rather than wait for the streets to fully drain, i headed off to my apartment.
1. if you get caught in this situation, you can either walk in the water with your shoes/sandels, or take them off, which is risky, or wait it out drinking chopp. i choose to walk in the water. some places easily 8-10" deep. what is the point of this? well lets just say that all of that water is not clean, and the city takes on a real , lets say sewer smell, when this occurs. i can not say that it is sewage, but it sure smells terrible. if you are out in tennis shoes, i suggest you wait it out, as your shoes may never be wearable again.
2. sendas grocery store. - as i was nearly home i stopped in a sendas store. this particular store had experienced a flood, the whole store had about 1" of water on the floor. it smelled terrible. in defense of sendas, they were doing all they could do to stop this. but there was standing water in the whole store for at least, i would guess, and hour, and i am pretty sure that the water went under the cases and racks that hold the food. i went by the next day and it was business, as usual. the store smelled, and i am pretty sure they never thought of cleaning under the cabinets, as that would require, moving all the food off the shelves, lifting the cabinets, and replacing everything, not going to happen in rio. imagine your local grocery store, 1" deep with smelly, water, and they just squeege around the cabinets. yikes. of course i still shop there, as i am lazy and i would have to walk 2 blocks more to another store. to be fair, i saw lots of stores and shops get water in them that day. it was a very hard rain.
a few things to help you in rio.
- when taking a taxi- walk to the beach, hail a cab in the direction you need to go, from ave. atlantica. if you take a taxi on copa ave, it will normally be much slower, as you will be challenging buses the whole way to princess isabella, it will save you time normally.
the rio othon palace has an internet hotspot if you have a notebook, i have a boingo membership, and was looking for a hotspot, i now have cable broadband in my apartment. just go to the lobby and log on, if you have boingo, or another membership.
lapa - if you get a chance, go to lapa, in the center, on a friday night, club carioca de gema is cool. but what is unique is that this is a street party for 10,000 people every friday night. it is safe if you go by taxi.
banking, be prepared to stand in line for a long time. in brazil, people pay all of their bills at the bank. water, power, dog license, you name it you can pay it at the bank. the problem is that every person can take 10 minutes to get through the line, depends how big the stack of bills is. so normally, you would see 6-8 people in line, and think, no problem 5-10 minutes i will be out of here. big surprise, as at least half of these people will have some sort of issue with the transactions. it can take an easy 30 minutes to get through a small line, just to make a deposit. i asked why people do this and i was told they do not trust the mail for checks, aslo, mail is not picked up at your home, only delivered.
similar experiences at the grocery store and post office. do not be in a hurry.
cpf card- similar to a social security card, you can not do much, regarding contracts, leases, etc. in brazil without one, i do not think they are hard to get. mine took three months, as the ministry of finance was on strike for 3 months, but normally, it should be fast.
more banking - i finally have a brazilain bank account at banco real, i mention this because, getting a bank account in brazil is very difficult for a foreigner. i went to every bank and simply asked if i could open a savings account, answer - no. why not? you will need to show proof of income, from your home country to open an account. i reminded them that i only wanted to give them my money, so they could lend it to someone else. doesn't matter, need proof of income to open an account. you do not need an account to get by here, but it helps. interest rates - through the roof here, see ads for "borrow 500 reals today, pay back 600 in six months. do the math, that is approximately 40% per year apr. i see how they can offer 12% savings accounts. i have a friend from norway that just bought an apartment in botafogo, over $200,000 reals, and he paid cash, as borrowing here would be suicide. the interst rates here have destroyed any hope of borrowing for the small business person. also, beware, real estate transaction here are very tricky, big potential problems, you see, a simple thing, like clear title, is not an absolute here. he is having a nightmare with this deal. another business opportunity, loan money at 25% apr and you would have them lined up. not sure if you can collect payments. wires, i did a wire the other day, money was in limbo for 10 days, i finally put a trace on it and it was a miracle, the next day my money was received by the local bank. central bank of brazil, playing games.
atm - use banco do brasil or hsbc , with foreign cards, most atm do not work with foreign cards.
buy your havaianas at the drug store, not the beach, same flip flops. unless you are robbed of your shoes, and need emergency footware.
the beach - neeeeeevvveerr, take a romantic walk on the waters edge at night, unless you have personal belongings that you need to get rid off, maybe a wedding present from a bad marriage or something. you stand a very high chance of being robbed, just stay on the lighted street, and you may get robbed, but you will have an audiance at least. i have brazilan friends who are a married couple, he is brazilian, she is from norway. they were robbed on the beach, and he simply said something like, i am brazilian, i do not have any money, and they left them alone. so , if your portuguese is rock solid, this may get you a pass.
chairs and umbrellas, see luiz , accross from rio othon palace, r$3 chair
r$3 umbrella, same thing 20 meters away different, luiz -big black guy , a cool guy.
t shirts. brasilian t-shirts are small, the gg is the normal brazilian xl, and it is a us large. you will be promised that the shirt will fit and never shrink. if you are looking for a business in brazil, make t -shirts that will actually fit the average oversized male. be careful when if you wash a shirt in the local water, it can mess with the dies in your colored t-shirts, i can prove it. the lavendaraes? use filtered water.
(update - six lonley souls, looking out the balcony now,) no girls yet , way to early.
police - can always be found in packs of 4-6 chating away on a corner, 100 meters away people may be getting robbed, but they are busy chatting. there are enough police to put one on every corner, but when they group up, it creates blind spots of opportunity.
street dvds, yes they are r$10 , about $4.00, and they are home camcorder videos of new releases, the sound sucks, wait to rent the movie from a real store.
computer software, pirated. it will/may work, but you may need a code cracker and even if it says in english, it will probably be in portuguese, buyer beware. i was in the center one day watching the piracy game in action. there are many people on the street with software on wire racks. and there are people with software on soft boards around their necks, the police, who are dressed very seriously, with jumpboots, knee pads and shin guards, ( not sure why) will run around and chase the guys with the wire racks of illegal software, but run right by the guys with the software off the ground. i would love to know why this is from a carioca. does this have something to do with paying the right person? these software guys are really nervous about this, so it must be serious. they run like rabbits when the police are in action. piracy is a huge problem n brasil, and the government makes token attempts to appear to care. fake nike appears to be a legitimate business.
eating - yonza crepes is good, small shop, young owners, rua miguel lamos, near help.
suco bars - as you move down copacabana ave, towards princess isabella, the price drops and the size increases. same with small lunches.
fashion - rio might be the only city were you can wear a speedo and your dress loafers , walk down a crowded street, and not look out of place or get arrested. no carioca would even look twice at this.
ok , enough boring info for now. nice to be back to just reporting the news.
i am sure i have some more verbal abuse coming my way, and to be fair, i probably deserve it. this will pass over time.
ibiza
I forgot to mention the gunshots. Every night there are gunshots near my apartment and near the Princess Copacabana. I mean every night....
I will explain this, so travelers that are staying at the hotel and are standing on the balcony at 2:00 and hear these noises will know what this is all about.
This explanation was provided to me by my friend Fernando, a life time carioca. (source)
The majority of the noise is fireworks, but some of it is real gun play, but do not be alarmed suburbanites, it only means the drugs have arrived and that the gunshots are a signal for someone from the interior of the favela, to come and get them from the edge or entrance to the favela. You may not see or notice this, but there is a really big favela right in Copacabana.
The interior of the favela is very safe for them, see various reports in the papers about this. The police do not even go into the center of the favela, unless it is really important.
So when you lovebirds at the princess copacabana are romancing your date on the balcony, and you hear loud popping noises, do not be offended when your date retires to the inside of your hotel room. It was not your lame romantic role play that made her leave ( LOL, just kidding), she just does not want to take a chance she may get shot. If she is really attracted to you, she may even mention to you that you should step inside for a minute, but maybe not.
This is not a joke, and it does happen. Life in Rio.
Ibiza
Member #4156
02-16-06, 21:36
just got back from a 7 day stint in rio and if one word could describe how i feel it would be despisal. on this trip i did a lot of exploring, a lot of “trying something new” to myself. on my first trip i distanced myself from hanging out with other americans and the meia pataca crowd, this time i kind of did the usual routine thing. i did help more than i wanted to but i never left with anyone. i’m not going to separate the reports by days like i did the last time so i’m just going to make this one big post if i can along with a conclusion with the few pictures i’ve taken.
this time around i rented through rioapartments.com and stayed on domingos ferreiras and rua bolivar. the management and staff of rioapartments are outstanding and have great apartments. nothing wrong with kenn but i decided to do something a little different. i like switching up from time to time.
i hung out at the beach everyday that it didn’t rain. it rained about 4 out of the 7 days that i was there. i got my fair share of hennas for a relatively good price from this guy named alex.
meia pataca:
i met up with this guy from another webforum that i’m a member of, a white cat, he’s a very popular dj out of new york. we’ll call him dj-v for now. i met him my second day, decided to go to 4x4 and ended up joining at the hip after that. we did almost everything together. very cool dude, we both like the same type of women too. he also has many connections down in rio. come to find out there are many americans living in rio now with kids and are getting their hustle on and will look out for you. met a brother, we’ll call him ll, from houston, fluent in portuguese that’s been there for a year and him and dj-v have done some work together. he took us to a samba school (forgot the name) out by praça da bambeida. fun shit.
termas:
on this trip, i hit up six termas (centarus, solarium, l’uomos, monte carlo, rio tropical, 4x4) and a couple of apartment houses to check out the talent. i’ll describe them all to the best of my humble opinions
-centarus was the first terma i visited. soon as i walked in there is a fishbowl-like room to the left full of girls looking at all the guys coming in. i was harassed the moment i received my key. needless to say, i was out of there in 30 minutes because 1 i didn’t see anything i liked nor did i plan on mongering at the moment. management didn’t give me any problems like earlier stated by other members but then again, i don’t drink so no need for hidden charges.
-solarium was my next stop and i liked a few girls in there. this was on a wed. i didn’t get any names and again spent 30 min but when i returned on saturday, it was pissy. not one of the girls i returned to see were there. my man dj-v was with me and he was mad as hell. he’s like the yang to my ying. i tend not to complain so much so he went downstairs to make a complaint to the management to see if we could get our money back. the told him that they’ll only charge us half price and told us that it is possible for customers to go up and look before even paying. wtf? did anyone else know about this shit? it was true, so we took the deal and went to mc and told the manager that we didn’t like what we seen at solarium on saturday and if it was possible to see the talent before paying the entrance fee which they did honor in our favor.
-l’uomos, this is still wed the 8th of february. i stopped by to say hi and see some familiar faces hoping i could see some new talent. unfortunately a lot of people were off that day and the new talent to me wasn’t even worth the trip. plus my homegirl ingrid was off that day too so it was easy for me to leave after 25 minutos. later on, i hooked up with ingrid and once again she spent the whole night with me and wouldn’t accept a dime. ing is nothing less than a sweet girl, but what tha hell happened to the rest of her ass? she tripped me out when she was dressing the next afternoon while looking in the mirror and said “no more popozuda.” )-: oh well, you can’t please everybody but whatever she’s trying to do with herself, i’m happy for her. she sent me some new pictures but i’ll keep those to myself this time. next stop, monte carlo
-monte carlo, out of all places, monte carlo was my favorite terma this trip. on this night feb 8th, i, as well as many other hotforum members, was invited to a party starting at 6:00 at monte carlo. keldeson was on the list and instead of paying 250 for entrance and a room i was discounted to 210. i got up there around 7:15 and it was like 65-70 deep. i was only looking for a gata named soyara. she has a thread about her on hotforum and one brasilian pmed me she’s a good fuck and told me i should try to get to know her before get to rio and see if she’ll send me some pictures because i’m american. we chopped it up by email so forth and she says she has a 47 inch bunda. but what attracted me more to her is her freaky message she has in her signature. she goes by the moniker a “tarada com vontage” a pervert at will. and she lived up to the name too. she does everything. more on here later. i made 3 visits to monte carlo and seen her twice. the other gata claims to be the younger sister of alyiah. the big bubble butt brazilian orgy and brazil bang series fans all know who alyiah is. but her sister can’t hold a candle to her though.
-4x4, i was supposed to do a centro terma tour and visit all of them. dj-v has been down there three weeks before i got there and told me 4x4 is where it’s at so i didn’t want to waist anymore money. i payed four visits to 4x4 and did three girls. there is a girl there (i forgot her name) that looks just like paris hilton. i’m not a paris hilton fan by far but i would do here if she had an ass like her estranged twin in 4x4. my first night in 4x4 was the worst sexual experience yet in rio. i didn’t even bust. i went up with manú. a cute little mulatta with a pretty smile and a nice size bunda (pictures are coming). me and dj-v went up with our girls at the same time. he picked a loira with a popozuda. we both had terrible experiences. i get up there and she cant take the dick. her head game sucked, the sex sucked period. my next visit, i met a porn star mayara (not rodriguez). she has a solon right directly across the street of 4x4. ll knows her because they’ve done work together. she was cool. i swear we spent the whole 40 of the giving me head. this might be so because she never made the phone call. the whole time she kept asking me over and over again to be in a movie with her. after a while she finally opened up and let me bang it like i wanted it to. an hour passed and the phone still didn’t ring so i guess she has pull like that. i didn’t get pictures of her but she told me i could take all the photos i wanted if i showed up to this set ready to go a few rounds with her under the camera. no thank you. my man ll has some photos of her on his website so if i can get him to one to me then i’ll put it here. on the next visit, i took samantha another hardcore pornstar. i told samantha “sou seu fã” and she went crazy. i didn’t take a picture of her but she sent me a few facial shots that she had on an escort site. i can say that after dealing with her, samantha had the best head game, pussy, ass, sensuality, the whole nine yard on this trip.
-rio tropical, guys if you ever wanted to get out and go where you won’t find any americans, then you need to find this place. rio tropical club is located in jacarepaguá. we went there twice, myself and dj-v. the first time was an experience. we hopped in a cab from siquera campos where he stayed and asked a taxista how much will it be for the trip. this was saturday that we went and it was dark and kind of raining. $r40,00 the guy says so we hop in. off to zona oeste we go. after 35 minutes of driving the guy gets lost. he pulls over in this rough looking neighborhood like favela without any hills and ask a pedestrian for directions. i pick up on what he’s saying and he points to the east in the direction of what he claims is “cidade de deus.” cidade de deus? after we pull off i ask the taxi driver where in the hell we are and he says and you’ve guessed it, the city of god. after i translated what he said to my man dj-v he started shaking and sliding down his seat and shit. that shit was so funny. it was raining, the taxi driver was lost, he’s about to have a wreck, the last thing two tourist would want to do in the middle of the city of god is get out of a taxi to wait on another ride all the while it was dark. lol! but anyway, after all that we get to rio tropical and the place is closed, it turns out that it was the manager’s birthday or something. so now since we’re out here, we decided go to barra shopping to get some jitters out and the taxi driver upps the price. so now dj-v is yelling at him in spanish and i’m calming them both down and i agree to pay the hefty fine just to smooth things over because it was of course my idea to go all the way out there anyway.
we returned there on tuesday after taking to a brother from dc who said he had gone there on friday and it was on and popping. we talked a taxi driver hanging outside meia pataca and dj-v told him not to go through the city of god this time. lol! here’s the scoop. the open up at 4:00. it’s r20 to get in before 7:00, r30. afterwards. it’s r130 to take a girl to the room before 7:00 and r150 afterwards. you walk in and the place has restaurant atmosphere. theres a pool table with leather sofas and a bar in the first sala. after that you go through these double doors and there are tables rep001tered out the room. another bar, a strip with a pole for dancing, and there is a stage. you take a tour throughout the back and there is a gym, sauna, showers, internet room, hair solon, swimming pool, and jacuzzi. the have a raffle ever so often that the winner gets a discount on the master sweet. this is by far the biggest terma i’ve ever been to regarding size. about 30-40 girls may work here at peak hours. porn star babaloo said she worked there for one week but she wasn’t making any money. however, i talked to an ex monter carlo girl that works there and she said the money is good and she travels all the way from niteroi to work. i can’t say on average how the girls look because each has his preference. but i can say it’s worth the trip. dj-v got him the biggest ass in the house. after we left i went to monte carlo.
-club six/lapa, on this trip, the whole theme was to do something different and i had a list of clubs that i were going to try out each night i were in town. but when i met dj-v and he turned me onto ll and with the influence of the rain, i was encouraged to stick strictly to mongering. ingrid was supposed to take me back to six on friday but i decided to make this trip alone to try to see what i could pull. six is my favorite night spot in rio, but on this night it was kind of dead, i think the rain had something to do with it. besides, the best time to go is when a funk artist is playing.
left six after an hour of walking up and down the pisas and took a walk up the street and around the corner where it was happening. i finally got my first taste of the lapa night life. this place was jumping to me. i ran into an american white dude named zach from addison who’s been living in rio for 3 years. he told me that it’s usually more people out there but it rained so it wasn’t that good in his opinion. my highlight of the night was when i paid r4.00 to enter this club called febarj spelled just like that but with the j facing to the right. this place was kind of a sweat box but i enjoyed watching the danceoff cipher they had going on. it was a beautiful thing to see how young brasilians embrace the hiphop culture. they were break dancing, spinning on heads, c-walking, crumping, and it looked like someone was doing the re-run for a minute. lol! one dude would do a move where he’s upside down and pauses with his legs in the air and the whole house would go oooooohhhhhhhhh and the next guy/girl would get in the circle and try to out do what just happend. what a beautiful sight.
-help. help needs some help. no matter how much people talk bad about this place, we all seem to end up there atleast one night on our trip. lol! man. i made an unscheduled visit to help on my first night only because via show was closed and then went back two more times. i made my first trip there six months ago and believe you me, not much has changed. i see they put a brazilian room there. i enjoyed that a lot because the djs in the main discotec be playing some bullshit. you’ll see the same ole girls working there, the same game being played. i didn’t go to help to monger on this trip. but it did feel good getting adulation from the ladies. these girls are bold. they’ll put their mouth on you in a minute. i tried to use the ole “i already been to a terma today line” and one girl responded to me with “you’re 25 years old, you shouldn’t be worn out after one date. i have viagra, let’s go now…” cute.
well, that’s pretty much about it. i’ve come to the conclusion that i don’t want to go back to rio anytime soon. not that i had a bad experience, it’s just that the thrill is gone. i remember after my first trip, the next week i was looking for another plane ticket. this time, i was ready to come back home on my third day. i don’t know what it is but it’s like i was looking for something that i’ll never get. its like that moment of clarity. i’ve talked to people who visit 3 and 4 times a year, i don’t know how ya’ll do it. maybe i have a low interest span or something. me and dj-v are now brothers from another mother and we are both tired of looking at the same broads so we agreed to hit up salvador next. he’s a white dude out of new york and he love big brown bundas like myself so maybe it’s time to give rio a rest. mabye after two years or so with the rotation of new talent to frequent the spots, i may garnish up an interest to head back down to south. so as of right now, bahia is where it’s at for me. the motherland away from the motherland.
Member #4156
02-16-06, 21:37
This is the part where I get my ranting on...random thoughts etc...
The more time I spend sitting in a terma, the more I find these girls unattractive
If another brasilian shouts out Mikey Tyson at me when I’m walking along the beach, I swear I will choke him.
Whats up with the dirty looks from the little Italian guys? Has anyone else been getting these looks?
I’m convinced. I will never use an escort site with freelancers that don’t show their faces. I called Mary McGold from Hotside. Homegirl showed up looking more like Mary Poppins. Geez!!!
Too many of these brasilian girls listen to too much rap. I was called “N” one too many times on this trip, not on a disrespectful level, but this is something someone like myself must absorb, reflect, and take responsibility in my own com***ity to make a change. I know they don’t know the history behind the word but once you use it around them what do you expect to happen?
Never judge a book by it’s cover. I am guilty of this. In the past, I tried to distance myself from the Meia Pataca frequenters but since I had no choice but to hang out there this time, I found most of the bruhs helpful and entertaining. Everyone is there to have fun and help you. I’ve met some cool cats there and would have missed on this opportunity if I had chosen to continue to travel alone.
It’s good to see a lot of brothers getting their Portuguese game up.
The most beautiful girls I seen in Rio were not in the Termas, they were regular chicks walking the streets.
I found out how the people of Rio got the name Cariocas.
I Never had to worry about safety. I kept an average of R500 on me. Felt just as safe walking up and down N.S. Copacabana and Av Atalantica a 3:00 as well as I did at 14:00.
I really didn’t see any resentment against Americans or the so called crackdown on mongering in general. Tuesday, on my way to meet DJ-V to go to Rio Tropical, 8 zona sul cop cars past me destination Meia Pataca. I thought this was going to be it but it turned out that a fight broke out between two minors (females) and the cops stood posted up in front of Meia Pataca for 45 minutes like they were going shakedown the place. But they left.
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More banking - I finally have a Brazilain bank account at Banco Real, I mention this because, getting a bank account in Brazil is very difficult for a foreigner. I went to every bank and simply asked if I could open a savings account, Answer - No. Why not? You will need to show proof of income, from your home country to open an account.
Ibiza
Do you have to be a resident to open an account or can you open it even if you are just a tourist with no regular address in Brazil?
Does any reliable bank offer the option to manage your account entirely over the internet?
Thanks,
Too many of these brasilian girls listen to too much rap. I was called “N” one too many times on this trip, not on a disrespectful level, but this is something someone like myself must absorb, reflect, and take responsibility in my own com***ity to make a change. I know they don’t know the history behind the word but once you use it around them what do you expect to happen?
Keldeson,
Respectfully. If Brazilians use the word "Negro" or "Negrito" in an affectionate manner, and if it bothers you, then learn to live with it, or stay home. It's up to you to adapt. As the proverb goes "In Rome do as the Romans do".
The fun of travelling is the difference of other cultures. I think it's sad when young Brazilians try to mimic the US rap culture. Brazil has so much to offer in terms of music!
Regards BB.
Member #4156
02-16-06, 22:59
Keldeson,
Respectfully. When I travel, I think that it is up to me to adapt, not to the people I visit. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do ...". If Brazilians use the word "Negro" or "Negrito" in an affectionate manner, and if it bothers you, then learn to live with it, or stay in Good Ole USA.
Regards BB.
Nah bro you misunderstood. It's not the fact that it bothered me. Nothing racial about the whole situation neither. What I was referring to is that that word should not be used by anybody. Not even myself. And FYI it was not negro nor negrito nor negão that was used if you know what I mean? Do you even know what I mean? And when it is used in our music and on the television people make it seem like it's cool to say when its' not then there is something wrong with that. Do you not agree? My whole thing is I must take this as a learning experinece and play a part in discontinuing bad habbits starting with myself. If you don't see anything wrong with breaking bad habbits, then maybe you need to take your own advice and stay in the good ole US of A then eh?
Respectfully.
The fun of travelling is the difference of other cultures. I hate it when I visit another country and people start speaking to me in English and not in their own language.
Same here. I hate that shit too.
The Watcher
02-16-06, 23:15
Keldeson,
Respectfully. If Brazilians use the word "Negro" or "Negrito" in an affectionate manner, and if it bothers you, then learn to live with it, or stay home. It's up to you to adapt. As the proverb goes "In Rome do as the Romans do".
The fun of travelling is the difference of other cultures. I think it's sad when young Brazilians try to mimic the US rap culture. Brazil has so much to offer in terms of music!
Regards BB.Bimbo Boy,
I do not intend to speak for Keldeson but. based on my experiences, the brasileiras were not saying "Negro" or "Negrito" - they were saying the "N" word that ends with "R"! - although the pronounciation of the word makes it sound like it ends with an "A".
They have picked up this word not just from rap but from the young brothers that hang out at Meia Petaca - you often hear these girls say "my 'N'" - not in a racist tone but in the manner in which they hear other people use the term.
Although they do not have a racist intent with the use of that word, it is a word that, in my opinion, should not be used.
If you don't see anything wrong with breaking bad habbits, then maybe you need to take your own advice and stay in the good ole US of A then eh?
Bad habits are relative. What is good in a country can be bad in another. I am not American, and it was only at 25 years old that I learned that the "N" word was really an insult. I had heard it several times before but never in a context that would lead me to believe that it was emotionnally loaded or insulting.
Regards. BB.
Kedelson,
Give up on Rio. I agree. But don't give up on Brazil! Try Sao Paulo, or for a cheaper trip, Fortaleza.
Keldeson,
Hit me up regarding mary Mcbride. I planned on seeing her during my April trip. Should I stay away from. Any pics.
Later
Dollar vs Reais: 1us =2.117r. If this keeps up at this rate, I might not be going back to Rio also.
Keldeson, good report.
Wandering Fool
02-17-06, 05:48
I had a well thought out plan that would have put me just leaving Centaurs as I write this and heading for Help to find my evening companion. Alas, the best laid plans laid to waste by too much work I could not get away from so I'm sitting home here in the USA. Hopefully in 3 weeks or so I'll get there.
Therefore I wanted to ask other experienced mongers your take on going to Rio just after Carnival (during lent). My original plan to get there THIS week was to take advantage of the increased flow of girls who get to Rio the week before Carnival (I'm assuming that's what happens) yet avoid the price gouging of the actual event. Besides I hate Carnival, so I was scheduled to leave just before it starts. Believe it or not I got very reasonable quotes from my hotel and had found a flight for $700us only 1 week ago.
My initial plan was to go there just after carnival ends (tuesday or so) but I then reasoned that it's possible many of the girls will be partied out and take that week off to fan their overused pu**ies.
So now I'm thinking go down the next week after carnival (around the 9th).
Any thoughts on this? My travel is flexible so I just want to get there at a good time. I'm not interested in going for any big events like Carnival, I most like Rio when it is just normal -beaches, termas, pretty girls etc.
I think you will need at minimum a CPF card, if you have a friend in Brasil you could use their address. I think it is pretty simple, go to the post office, I think it has to be a main post office. There is one near Monte Carlo, there is a park there, and it is across the street. I think you will need a CPF and some type of proof of address to get very far. Once I had a bill in my name and a CPF, I was in like flint. The CPF is cheap, about $4.00, but it is a two part process, Appy at post office, pay at ministry of Finance, offices around Rio, But you will need a mailing address as it is mailed to you.
I also have a brazilian Federal Police ID, and that is a real process, you will need help, unless your Portuguese is muito bom. You have to stand in lines , then get forms, then stand in lines again, then wait 3 months or more for the ID. It is a process.
From what I am reading about getting apartments here, I am very lucky. Some friends told me in September about an apartment in Copa, that was available. Nice one bedroom, clean and in a good building, I have rolling 89 day leases, at R$1300 per month total. with R$400 deposit, all included. No cosigner, just me. You really need a proof of address, to get a cell contract, etc.
Banco Real has online banking. You can do everything online, but the site is in Portuguese.
Online banking, I am using my normal USA banks for cash, and if you can get a CITIBANK account , you can use the card here,
But with HSBC, there is no relationship between the US and the Brazilian units. But what I am going to do is use my USA HSBC card here and keep the money in the US. I was told by HSBC that my savings account card from HSBC US will not work at HSBC Brazil, but the HSBC atm -debit card from a checking account will work here.
I think you are going to run into the proof of income issue at all banks. I was able to get around this as my work has a relationship wih Banco Real, which is owned by ABN - AMRO, a very nice Dutch bank. It does not really change much having the bank here, but there is a banco real every 300 meters and very few HSBCs, But you can use banco do brasil, there is never a 100% chance your card will work,
I am not sure if I really gave you any help, but I hope so, PM if you need more info. bottom line, I think a tourist would have a problem. Not like the old days, i used to have accounts in several countries, But now just Brazil and Singapore. I also think there can be problems with moving money out of brazil, so I plan to keep minimum in the Banco Real account, never more than a 1000 or so.
IBZ
Do you have to be a resident to open an account or can you open it even if you are just a tourist with no regular address in Brazil?
Does any reliable bank offer the option to manage your account entirely over the internet?
Thanks,
Exec Talent
02-17-06, 07:10
I am a middle-aged white guy and I find the "N" word offensive because I remember when it was used as a put down or as a way of characterizing someone based upon skin color.
My point earlier was that some of those same racial attitudes, are driving the economics here in Rio as much as the devalued dollar. This is the worse "season" I have seen here and I remember when 1.95 was an excellent exchange rate.
What does get to me in Brazil (and the US), is that the successful, articulate black men who come here are not the ones your average Brazilian kid looks up to as a role model. They are too busy trying to imitate the gangster rapper wannabees.
Exec Talent
02-17-06, 07:16
I Never had to worry about safety. I kept an average of R500 on me. Felt just as safe walking up and down N.S. Copacabana and Av Atalantica a 3:00 as well as I did at 14:00.
I hope no one follows your example. You were just lucky or maybe you do look like Mike Tyson.
I tell guys I meet here (particularly those coming for the first time) take a cab. There have been times I have not followed my own advice and I regretted it. Nothing serious has ever happened, but it certainly could have.
Also, I can think of no good reason to regularly carry around R$500.
Exec Talent
02-17-06, 07:44
Exec Talent
I notice all your posts from Rio are all pretty big time. Are you a big time corporate exec from the USA making a big time salary? Please respond to your fans.
Thanks, Marak5
Giving out too much personal information to members of this site, particularly those from the Netherlands, has been proven to me not to be a good idea. Too many jealous people with massive egos who go out of their way to try to cause problems.
Lover Boy #2
02-17-06, 08:14
kedelson, i am really getting sick of the hypocrisy of your god damn race. You call us crackers and whiteboy, you use the word fag and spic without any worry of losing your job or status but the minute someone uses the word nigger, you cant take it and want to file a lawsuit or fight.. SCREW YOU BABY!! if you dont want to hear the word nigger than DONT CALL OTHER PEOPLE NIGGERS! Let me explain what nigger means to the 80's white generation. It doesnt mean slave. None of us were around then and most of us, including me, didnt grow up in the 50's and 60's when black people had seperate bathrooms. that said. nigger to us means a low class black person like OJ simpson or a gang banger that shoots up kids on their bicycle, a pimp that exploits 12 year old girls,a lazy black person that collects welfare for 40 years and never works and then blames white people for all their problems thats who a nigger is to us.If you cant handle that explanation then dont use the word nigger around your people.
How you got to this comment from what Keldeson said (and I read his post carefully)...is totally beyond my ability to comprehend. Joe, no personal attack, but you might need some medical attention (i.e. blood flow problem, memory issues, whatever). It is actually embarassing that you would post this, from what his comments were. I just don't understand why you would do this. Remember, we are not white, black or even brown here....we are the brotherhood of gentlemen spending money to have abundant sex with beautiful ladies. If you are going to post this type of stuff, why not spend your time better and post on a KKK site? Key point....READ WHAT HE SAID....don't analyze....you are doing this incorrectly.
Member #4156
02-17-06, 08:56
I hope no one follows your example. You were just lucky or maybe you do look like Mike Tyson.
I tell guys I meet here (particularly those coming for the first time) take a cab. There have been times I have not followed my own advice and I regretted it. Nothing serious has ever happened, but it certainly could have.
Also, I can think of no good reason to regularly carry around R$500.
Sorry buddy but I dont believe in luck. I never felt threatened to take a cab. That mike tyson joke was some jestures some brasilian guys used thinking they were giving me a compliment.
I dont try to set an example. My Rio experience...is just my Rio experience. You can't add or subtract from what I do. You can only learn from it. I tell people to take a cab too. That's all. Just because I do something doesn't mean the next man should do the same. BTW, I can't think of any good reasons why you regularly do some of the things you do too but I don't question you on it either. LOL! Do what you do man.
Lover Boy #2, no need in responding to ignorance. You see I'm not worried. That fool just showed how intelligent he really with his insensitive and insecure remarks and I'll make sure Jackson handles this in timely manner.
Oi,
Her name is christal, she will only be here thru carnaval, she is from bahia,
WOW, even with Vitamin V, she out did me, 50 minutes did not phase her. I lost three pounds, she was duched in my sweat, and I do not know if she even perspired. Nothing was left to try with her.
The bed was moved 5 feet from the starting position. Session included two showers to clean her face off. She requested this location for relief, also, grabbed her own hair, showing me the proper way too pull it, wow. I was exposed as an amateur hair puller.
She is 5'9", and not to badly built.
She is leaving soon , and I may drain the bank account, paying for sessions, before she leaves. R$150, dois horas.
A diamond in the rough , that is why we keep plodding through the bad ones, because every once in a while, your hole cards will be a Christal.
All I can do is keep trying.
Update - beach better today, many girls handing out phone numbers. They should just get business cards, it would be easier, but their performing names and phone numbers change very often, so printing cost may not be economical. Addresses change almost every month for sure. Common addresses " Prossimo Copacabana Palace, "Prossimo Meridian Hotel"
IBZ
Hi,
I will be back in Rio from marts 9th. Anyone around for some terma hunting?
PM me.
Junior
I had a well thought out plan that would have put me just leaving Centaurs as I write this and heading for Help to find my evening companion. Alas, the best laid plans laid to waste by too much work I could not get away from so I'm sitting home here in the USA. Hopefully in 3 weeks or so I'll get there.
Therefore I wanted to ask other experienced mongers your take on going to Rio just after Carnival (during lent). My original plan to get there THIS week was to take advantage of the increased flow of girls who get to Rio the week before Carnival (I'm assuming that's what happens) yet avoid the price gouging of the actual event. Besides I hate Carnival, so I was scheduled to leave just before it starts. Believe it or not I got very reasonable quotes from my hotel and had found a flight for $700us only 1 week ago.
My initial plan was to go there just after carnival ends (tuesday or so) but I then reasoned that it's possible many of the girls will be partied out and take that week off to fan their overused pu**ies.
So now I'm thinking go down the next week after carnival (around the 9th).
Any thoughts on this? My travel is flexible so I just want to get there at a good time. I'm not interested in going for any big events like Carnival, I most like Rio when it is just normal -beaches, termas, pretty girls etc.
I have been to Rio right before Carnivale and right after, your question is about right after. Well as you can imagine girls come into Rio from all over Brasil and they don't leave Rio the day after Carnivale as you can imagine they don't have jobs to return to like you and I. I have seen them start to filter out from 1 to 3 weeks after Carnivale is over. I remember saying good bye to some of the girls as the next day they told me they would be taking the bus to where ever they came from. Most of the tourists have to return home as they have jobs to go home to so you may still find a good amount of girls left in Rio and the tourists gone.
And your right, most of them right after Carnivale have been used and abused and have a pocketful of money, that's why this year I am waiting a few more weeks to return so that they heal, spend some of that loot and are looking to get back in the game and work hard again.
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