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The bottom line is at Gusto you pay for the ambiance of an upscale night club and being surrounded by $200 a night hookers in a land where $120 will get you a comparable hooker all night on Facebook and $1. 20 can buy you a Heineken at Exito.I have more fun standing outside of Gustos or just hanging at the park. That place is too loud for my taste. I forgot to mention that the last time I was there I noticed the damn decibel meter posted by the elevator. I saw 98 decibels or something close. Heck at 105 dbs you should be wearing double hearing protection LOL. My ears cannot handle that anymore but to each their own.
I have more fun standing outside of Gustos or just hanging at the park. That place is too loud for my taste. I forgot to mention that the last time I was there I noticed the damn decibel meter posted by the elevator. I saw 98 decibels or something close. Heck at 105 dbs you should be wearing double hearing protection LOL. My ears cannot handle that anymore but to each their own.Whatever you do, don't go to Club Fahrenheit. It's much louder. My ears can't handle it either.
Mr Enternational
02-23-20, 15:36
I don't enjoy Corona. To me it lacks flavor and body. I think it's popular in the Americas for the same reason the Rolling Rock brand is.I don't drink beer at all.
But I do know that any beer that comes in a clear bottle is not a good beer. The bottle needs to be dark to keep the light out. There is a reason lime is always added to Corona. I think that beer was originally the brand for Mexican farmhands.
Dcrist0527
02-23-20, 15:39
I'm still trying to assess if I like the place. Nothing terribly new to report that hasn't been documented already. Cover of $10 K. I like the layout, how everything centers around the main stage. Love the seating. I love the no pressure. In fact, at times, it was hard to get a waiter to come to you. I saw two different guys stay there for hours. Never bought a drink and refused every girl coming around for their 60 cent propina. So a very different business model. But, almost every seat was filled. The girls: someone said it before but it has a high floor. There was only one that I thought should not be there. Now beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And we all have preferences. But I despise enhanced asses. If you are a fan of insanely enhanced asses, some that you can sit a beer on while she walks around, this is your heaven. I saw a few 9's that I crossed off my list because they lost alot of points for their monstrosity. It's a turn off to me, much like a smoker. Again, we all have our preferences. Hell, isn't there a lot of smoking themed porn? I accept I may be the odd ball. Other than those asses, the girls were awesome. Though I will say, if spinners are your thing, they were in the minority.
One other comment. I read that people here don't make it rain on the stage. They didn't. Instead, $2 K bills were flying all over the place in the seats. Most of the time it was in good fun. But there was one dude getting his rocks off, laughing at the girls scrambling on the ground for their 60 cents. It was hard to watch for many reasons. He was making a show of it and mocking them. I had to say something. Though I don't think he understood anything I said. He was Asian and did not speak Spanish either.
One final note. Again, keep in mind that there is no pressure to buy. But their prices on liquor are ridiculously high, in my opinion. And one waiter at the bar was very slow to give back change. After twice thinking I'm leaving him a $30 K tip (that ain't happening), I just kept hounding him so he wanted me to go away.
I know lots of gringos that have had problems in El Centro and in Poblado as well, which are the two places I spend my time in, and the common denominator for them has been they are obvious gringos or foreigners. So what exactly is an obvious gringo or foreigner? Simply put, anyone that does not fit in whether it be the color of their skin, their hair, what their wearing, etc. So to make it simple, if your a foreigner you basically have a big "X" on your back identifying you as a target. If I were a thieve I would most definitely target a foreigner versus a local.
I am fortunate that the majority of the time I can pass as a Colombian looks wise when I keep my mouth shut, and have been told this by several Colombians. So when I am in El Centro I wear jeans, a t-shirt, and have a backpack, a burner phone, a Civica card for riding the Metro, a copy of my ID, and no more than 200 K cash on me. So I am never stressed about losing anything of value when I am down there. There have been other posters on this board who find it hard to believe that a gringo can pass as a Colombian, but there are, and I am not Hispanic. As an example, about three weeks ago I was walking on the backside of the Church along where all the bars are, and a foreigner was walking in front of me about thirty feet away. He got looks from everybody and two Chicas went up to him who were basically pawing him which he almost had to push away. When I walked by, nobody even looked at me. So I feel fortunate that I basically can move about under the radar in Medellin, however when I start speaking, the cat's out of the bag.
So your question was, has my opinion changed regarding safety in Medellin, and the answer is yes. You should never under estimate thieves, some of them are very cunning, and taking precautions to lower your exposure to them, and losing your valuables is to be taken very seriously. There have been lots of posts regarding this, and you cannot ever let your guard down here.Concur with most except for tipping and walking with 200 k. Also if one proclaims to be a hood hardened wannabe shot caller personal blog expert from south central, Flint or Hunts point wherever nobody cares -not you- then your immune because all the scams have previously been pulled on you or your associates one time or another plus having eyes in the back of ones head sure helps bits wordup skware bidness yo? LOL.
Centro is no cake walk for newbs this cannot be overly stated however some get lucky and believe its always like that but it only takes once then things go dark.
I don't drink beer at all.
But I do know that any beer that comes in a clear bottle is not a good beer. The bottle needs to be dark to keep the light out. There is a reason lime is always added to Corona. I think that beer was originally the brand for Mexican farmhands.The Mexicans call it urine.
Above Average
02-23-20, 20:16
Hi guys,
I'm halfway through a 2 week trip in Columbia and I'm not sure if this is this is the best place in the forum to introduce myself. I will provide some proper intel once I get back home on my desktop computer (this website is awful in mobile format).
Last night I went to "Barre Ejecutiva" and wasn't too impressed. I got there around 10:30 pm and I found the selection to be mediocre. There were a few cute girls but there was only one up to my standards so I bought her a drink. We talked a bit but after 10 min some regulars arrived and she said "sorry these guys have already reserved a time to see me, ill be back in 5 min". I'm not sure why I expected her to be back in 5 min but she never came back so I left slightly grumpy.
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best. I've walked some of the red light dustricts in Bogota and Pattaya and not seen a single girl I want to bang. I know there are a lot VIP escorts online but their pictures are always a bit deceiving and they're often not worth the premium price. Where can I find the high end girls in Medellin? I hear the Loutron is good but unfortunately its closed on Sundays. I only have 6 days left here please help me make the most of it.
Hi guys,
I'm halfway through a 2 week trip in Columbia and I'm not sure if this is this is the best place in the forum to introduce myself. I will provide some proper intel once I get back home on my desktop computer (this website is awful in mobile format).
Last night I went to "Barre Ejecutiva" and wasn't too impressed. I got there around 10:30 pm and I found the selection to be mediocre. There were a few cute girls but there was only one up to my standards so I bought her a drink. We talked a bit but after 10 min some regulars arrived and she said "sorry these guys have already reserved a time to see me, ill be back in 5 min". I'm not sure why I expected her to be back in 5 min but she never came back so I left slightly grumpy.
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best. I've walked some of the red light dustricts in Bogota and Pattaya and not seen a single girl I want to bang. I know there are a lot VIP escorts online but their pictures are always a bit deceiving and they're often not worth the premium price. Where can I find the high end girls in Medellin? I hear the Loutron is good but unfortunately its closed on Sundays. I only have 6 days left here please help me make the most of it.Have you tried la Isla? Many think they have the hottest women in Medellin, though if you don't like Silicone T&A, you may not like it.
One final note. Again, keep in mind that there is no pressure to buy. But their prices on liquor are ridiculously high, in my opinion. And one waiter at the bar was very slow to give back change. After twice thinking I'm leaving him a $30 K tip (that ain't happening), I just kept hounding him so he wanted me to go away.
The problems you experienced really are not problems if you get a seat and have a waiter. The waiter can rearrange the seat for you even when the place appears to be full. You can run a tap and pay at the end.
Next time, get the counter by the entrance to break your large bill into 2 K bills. You won't need to wait for change this way.
Concur with most except for tipping and walking with 200 k. Also if one proclaims to be a hood hardened wannabe shot caller personal blog expert from south central, Flint or Hunts point wherever nobody cares -not you- then your immune because all the scams have previously been pulled on you or your associates one time or another plus having eyes in the back of ones head sure helps bits wordup skware bidness yo? LOL.
Centro is no cake walk for newbs this cannot be overly stated however some get lucky and believe its always like that but it only takes once then things go dark.I concur with your thoughts, however tipping wasn't mentioned in this post, but another one I posted. What do you think about tipping, at the Hotels I patronize, it has worked wonders for me.
As far as walking with 200 K, well that's what I carry with me, no more. Do you think that's too much money to be carrying around in El Centro? My rationale for that number is it will cover two one and a half hour sessions, food, etc.
There have been other posters on this board who claim they are "bad ass", coming from rough neighborhoods in the States and can handle themselves in El Centro. Well if they are obvious foreigners, they are walking targets, and may physically be able to kick the shit out of somebody, but will have a difficult time if a group of guys takes them on.
This almost happened to a friend of mine who is a "bad ass" and not somebody to be fucked with in a fight. He is an obvious foreigner and a while back he was walking along the Veracruz Church and three Transvesties cornered him and one said let's go to the room. He said I'm not into "cock" or butt fucking and then they ripped his glasses off of him and stomped them on the ground. He told me afterwards that if it had been one guy things wouldn't have progressed like that, in that he would of "attacked" the She-male. So he decided not to try take on three guys and basically walked away.
Hi guys,
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best. I've walked some of the red light dustricts in Bogota and Pattaya and not seen a single girl I want to bang. I know there are a lot VIP escorts online but their pictures are always a bit deceiving and they're often not worth the premium price. Where can I find the high end girls in Medellin? I hear the Loutron is good but unfortunately its closed on Sundays. I only have 6 days left here please help me make the most of it.I understand this is your first post, however it begs the question as to where you have encountered the type of women you consider to be the "best of the best" as Colombia is hard to beat if your into Latina women.
LeyenLouvain
02-23-20, 22:35
Are there any banks offering safety deposit boxes to tourists?
I'm thinking that a safety deposit box only available during office hours is the perfect solution to the problem of being drugged at night and opening your hotel safe for someone.
LOL! I can see where the Mexicans are coming from. The Corona fad is a big scam. LOL.
But seriously, the lime thing was originally a way to keep flies from dropping into your beer. It works. I usually go with a rolled up bit of napkin stuffed into the neck or I cover the bottle with a baseball cap.
The Mexicans call it urine.
Mr Enternational
02-23-20, 23:14
Are there any banks offering safety deposit boxes to tourists?
I'm thinking that a safety deposit box only available during office hours is the perfect solution to the problem of being drugged at night and opening your hotel safe for someone.Why do y'all make it out to be so complicated to monger? So you are going to tell a chick not to drug you and try to rob you because all of your valuables are at the bank? I don't think they take note of you having tons of cash and 6 Rolex watches before they decide to go on a mission. All this is already worked out before they get to you.
THEY FUCKING DRUG YOU FIRST. Then they search for your valuables. If you don't have any valubales in the place you can still die from the drugging, leaving you with no use for the stuff you wanted to hide in the first place. And if you do wake up you will be so happy to be alive that you will just be on the next flight home, instead of staying to call more chicks over that may drug you again.
You might just be doing some guys a favor with this post. Anybody who is going to be so worried to consider what I think is overkill precautions will have a hard time enjoying a visit. OK so now I will pivot to constructive commentary. The better way to go, in my opinion, is to stay woke about the girls you deal with and what they are up to when you around them. RTFF and you will see advice about how to keep track of your food and beverages so no one can tamper with them. There is also plenty of good advice about how to secure valuables. It's not that hard, really it's not. I will break it down a little more. Keep your valuables (wallet, electronics, etc.) in sight or well hidden at all times.
Why do y'all make it out to be so complicated to monger? So you are going to tell a chick not to drug you and try to rob you because all of your valuables are at the bank? I don't think they take note of you having tons of cash and 6 Rolex watches before they decide to go on a mission. All this is already worked out before they get to you.
THEY FUCKING DRUG YOU FIRST. Then they search for your valuables. If you don't have any valubales in the place you can still die from the drugging, leaving you with no use for the stuff you wanted to hide in the first place. And if you do wake up you will be so happy to be alive that you will just be on the next flight home, instead of staying to call more chicks over that may drug you again.
AdventureSeekr
02-23-20, 23:53
Are there any banks offering safety deposit boxes to tourists?
I'm thinking that a safety deposit box only available during office hours is the perfect solution to the problem of being drugged at night and opening your hotel safe for someone.Seems easier to just rent a place with 24 h security guard and tell him to not let her leave if she's leaving alone. Only have chicas leave with you, even if you're just walking them downstairs. Plus security will have their ID logged if anything happens, but I'd imagine 95% of the time that staying at a well known building with security would be deterrent enough.
Uber is back for realz, and the taxi unions are already over it. There will be a day long taxi strike March 16. The taxistas aren't getting much sympathy from the population. Get ready for surge pricing and long waits for uber on March 16. The silver lining is traffic will be unusually light. Of course the taxistas won't extend their strike, they have bills to pay like the rest of us.
Hi guys,
I'm halfway through a 2 week trip in Columbia and I'm not sure if this is this is the best place in the forum to introduce myself. I will provide some proper intel once I get back home on my desktop computer (this website is awful in mobile format).
Last night I went to "Barre Ejecutiva" and wasn't too impressed. I got there around 10:30 pm and I found the selection to be mediocre. There were a few cute girls but there was only one up to my standards so I bought her a drink. We talked a bit but after 10 min some regulars arrived and she said "sorry these guys have already reserved a time to see me, ill be back in 5 min". I'm not sure why I expected her to be back in 5 min but she never came back so I left slightly grumpy.
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best. I've walked some of the red light dustricts in Bogota and Pattaya and not seen a single girl I want to bang. I know there are a lot VIP escorts online but their pictures are always a bit deceiving and they're often not worth the premium price. Where can I find the high end girls in Medellin? I hear the Loutron is good but unfortunately its closed on Sundays. I only have 6 days left here please help me make the most of it.If I were you I'the go to Lleras and go to Gustos or Lleras park go to strip clubs like La Isla or Fase Dos. Your already there so setting up dates with Instagram models or SA might be too late.
DramaFree11
02-24-20, 02:36
Hi guys,
I'm halfway through a 2 week trip in Columbia and I'm not sure if this is this is the best place in the forum to introduce myself. I will provide some proper intel once I get back home on my desktop computer (this website is awful in mobile format).
Last night I went to "Barre Ejecutiva" and wasn't too impressed. I got there around 10:30 pm and I found the selection to be mediocre. There were a few cute girls but there was only one up to my standards so I bought her a drink. We talked a bit but after 10 min some regulars arrived and she said "sorry these guys have already reserved a time to see me, ill be back in 5 min". I'm not sure why I expected her to be back in 5 min but she never came back so I left slightly grumpy.
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best. I've walked some of the red light dustricts in Bogota and Pattaya and not seen a single girl I want to bang. I know there are a lot VIP escorts online but their pictures are always a bit deceiving and they're often not worth the premium price. Where can I find the high end girls in Medellin? I hear the Loutron is good but unfortunately its closed on Sundays. I only have 6 days left here please help me make the most of it.I have to agree with you, I was not at all impressed with Colombia. Both Mexico and Russia are much better destinations, for me. If you like the fake asses MDE is the place, not for me and I also have fairly high standards. I would not go back to MDE, only for work, MDE was a major let down for me.
Mojo Bandit
02-24-20, 03:58
Hi guys,
I'm halfway through a 2 week trip in Columbia and I'm not sure if this is this is the best place in the forum to introduce myself. I will provide some proper intel once I get back home on my desktop computer (this website is awful in mobile format).
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best. I've walked some of the red light dustricts in Bogota and Pattaya and not seen a single girl I want to bang. I know there are a lot VIP escorts online but their pictures are always a bit deceiving and they're often not worth the premium price. Where can I find the high end girls in Medellin? I hear the Loutron is good but unfortunately its closed on Sundays. I only have 6 days left here please help me make the most of it.If you are in Medellin than this is the obvious place to introduce yourself. If you were an average joe just asking 'where are the women' I would say RTFF, but I understand more when you say 'I have high standards'. I also do not like the websites for the same reasons that you mentioned. Had you signed on earlier when you were first planning your trip, I would have suggested that you start a Facebook list, and the fact that you do not have a Forum membership means that I cannot help you with that unless you can get one, because it is something I only do through private message. Since you say you do not mind paying "premium" price, I have to swallow real hard and agree with Sangnyc21's post and suggest Gusto, it is not something I would usually do at all but because you are already there and have no time to prepare or plan this might be your best option. This also depends on what you mean when you say you are willing to pay "premium" price. It is consistently reported that a chica at Gusto wants $200 for all night. It is also possible but not a sure bet to find some pretty ones in the Lleras Park itself for 200 k pesos for ST (Gusto is on the street alongside the Park, you enter the nightclub which is on the second floor by an elevator that that has a velvet rope line leading to the entrance).
I obviously do not know what another man's standards are for women are but I have seen everything from 1's to 8's out in the park, I would give one of the girls I picked up there a 9 but she was a little too thin for my taste.
LoverBoy1024
02-24-20, 05:22
She held up her phone to illustrate she just got a call from reception. "The Time is up?" I said, taking it in stride. "Mas Tiempo" I brushed her off. "Quanto?" She told me 40.
When you are translating everything, many things you wish you said just go unsaid. WTF do you mean 40 I am thinking, the first time it was 20. Who is ripping me off. You or the hotel? What kind of short time hotel has you living there?
I gave her 40 and she went to pay the hotel. And when she came back she starts (in Spanish) with "the hotel is getting paid; I should get paid too. " I'm thinking, "that's not very girlfriendy". "I will pay you later I said". I turn out my wallet to her and showed her that I don't have the money right now.
She would have none of it. "Let's go to your hotel for the money", she said in Spanish. I countered that if we are leaving then I want her to stay all night. She agreed but said "let's agree on a price, you pay me and we are done with this pay after annoyance". And by this time, I am getting tired of asking to pay after too. We settle on a price.
We gather up our things and head for the door. Once on the street we attract attention from the people there. Mind you, our going to the hotel went without notice but our leaving together prompted one to ask "where are you going with the Gringo?" She responds something like "he is my sugar daddy!
When we arrived at the Hotel Nutibara I asked her to wait outside while I went in to get the money. She agreed, but as I walked away she realized that I might not be coming back. She called out to me, but I was already in the lobby of the hotel and didn't turn back.
Up in my room I am trying to think. But the marijuana is muddling my mind. I pull out my money and count it. Just enough for her and a hotel room. Should I give her the whole amount and tell her 175 is for the hotel, or withhold the hotel money? I decided to withhold the money. What snacks should I take? I packed an avocado and some nuts.
She texts me from outside. "You are delaying", she said. "Are you coming? She asked. I responded that I am coming, "please wait". Okay I thought, let me just grab this stuff and go.
We meet outside and she counts the money before putting it away. "Now what? She asks. I tell her that we have to find a hotel. I lead her behind the Nutibara hotel to the hotel. Before reaching the hotel I asked her "when we get to the hotel, ask if they have a room available. ".
As she went up to the clerk, I sat in the lobby looking for my ID. I have a security wallet attached to my belt. I always keep my passport card and a photocopy of my passport there. She comes back from the clerk and says the room is 150. This is exactly the amount that I have for the room in my pocket and I quickly hand it over.
In a moment she is back motioning me that I need my ID. I get up from the couch and make my way to the desk, opening my photocopy of my passport as I go. She begins raising her voice and saying to the clerk, "we have the 150 k and the ID so you have to rent the room to us!
The clerk carefully records the information from both of our IDs. But there is one thing she is having trouble understanding. She asks me a question and when I leaned in to answer her she was assaulted by my marijuana breath and let out an exclamation before retreating to the back of the office.
After a moment she returned and seemed to have resolved her question. Undeterred by the evidence of my crimes, she continued to record the information on the form. I noticed that my girlfriend was 21 as she filled in her DOB.
Having finished with the registration, we were finally rewarded with the keys to our room. When we arrived in the room I noted that it seemed to be big enough. A bed, table and chairs, boom box and bathroom. What else could you want? Well there is one thing about short time hotels: they don't expect you to actually sleep there. So while there was a sheet on the bed; there was no blanket or quilt.
At last we were here. Just the two of us and no annoying phone call from down stairs every hour asking for more and more money. I began to unpack everything and lay it out on the table. She found some music on the boom box. I opened a couple beers with the warn out bottle opener she brought from her apartment. I anticipated great things were about to follow.
And then she gets a phone call on her cell phone. She turns to me and says "her cousin will come. " "Do you like threesomes? She asks.
Part three of a multi-part post.
LoverBoy1024
02-24-20, 05:33
I lead her behind the Nutibara hotel to the hotel. Before reaching the hotel I asked her "when we get to the hotel, ask if they have a room available."
Sorry, I meant to add the information later: The hotel is Hotel Deseos.
Sorry, I meant to add the information later: The hotel is Hotel Deseos.Confusing post (s) to say the least, especially the first one, was this the Hotel Deseos on the same street as the Airport Bus in El Centro, because if so, 150 K is awfully high as the rooms typically are like 22 K for short time and shouldn't of been like no more than 60 K for all night.
I have to agree with you, I was not at all impressed with Colombia. Both Mexico and Russia are much better destinations, for me. If you like the fake asses MDE is the place, not for me and I also have fairly high standards. I would not go back to MDE, only for work, MDE was a major let down for me.I have never been to Russia, but have been to other Eastern European Countries and from what I saw, I can only imagine how beautiful some of the Russian women are.
I am curios though were in Mexico, specifically which parts of Mexico you have encountered women you "personally" find better than in Medellin. Or is it more than that, the culture, the food, etc.
John Gault
02-24-20, 13:49
Sorry, I meant to add the information later: The hotel is Hotel Deseos.150 for the hotel. That is way to much. The hotel across the street charges about one third that amount and it is a real hotel. With sheets and everything else. All you need is a ID for her and if she is a Vennie than she needs a passport.
Yeah! I have never understood why anyone needs to bring flashy watches, jewelry, cameras etc. You make your self a target automatically by doing this. Leave that at home. And don't pull anything of value infront a chica you just met.
Why do y'all make it out to be so complicated to monger? So you are going to tell a chick not to drug you and try to rob you because all of your valuables are at the bank? I don't think they take note of you having tons of cash and 6 Rolex watches before they decide to go on a mission. All this is already worked out before they get to you.
THEY FUCKING DRUG YOU FIRST. Then they search for your valuables. If you don't have any valubales in the place you can still die from the drugging, leaving you with no use for the stuff you wanted to hide in the first place. And if you do wake up you will be so happy to be alive that you will just be on the next flight home, instead of staying to call more chicks over that may drug you again..
Mr Enternational
02-24-20, 16:16
She begins raising her voice and saying to the clerk, "we have the 150 k and the ID so you have to rent the room to us!LOL. Great post man. But I don't know a place around there that costs 150K. Most are 35K or 45K per day.
Above Average
02-24-20, 16:58
I understand this is your first post, however it begs the question as to where you have encountered the type of women you consider to be the "best of the best" as Colombia is hard to beat if your into Latina women.Don't get me wrong, there are lots of women here who are absolute knock-outs but unless they are prepagos I find it very difficult to get to know them. My Spanish is fairly poor and because I mostly studied through apps (DuoLingo) I'm pretty much hopeless in conversations. I underestimated how big the language barrier would be because places like Mexico and Costa Rica are easy for English speakers.
Thanks for the advice everyone I will check out Gusto and La Isla later this week. Is there any decent action there from Mon-Wed or do I have to wait for the next weekend?
Last night a girl I matched on Tinder invited me out to a rooftop club in Barrio Columbia at Cra 44 #25-15. It's called La Terazza and its not on Google maps. As invited I got there at 6 and the party was already going. I drank some 8000 peso beers, did some free drugs offered by kind strangers, ate a greasy burger and was back in my hotel by midnight. I wish more places had that type of party schedule! It was an excellent club but no monger action to speak of.
I have to agree with you, I was not at all impressed with Colombia. Both Mexico and Russia are much better destinations, for me. If you like the fake asses MDE is the place, not for me and I also have fairly high standards. I would not go back to MDE, only for work, MDE was a major let down for me.I think you are doing it wrong if you agree with everything AA said.
Last night I went to "Barre Ejecutiva" and wasn't too impressed. ....
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best..You went to an El Centro strip club. It is a low cost place, not a place with high standard on look.
LOL. Great post man. But I don't know a place around there that costs 150K. Most are 35K or 45K per day.I think that is what makes it interesting and his the writing too. He probably was under the influence of marijuana and he already threw out his contract by that point.
150 for the hotel. That is way to much. The hotel across the street charges about one third that amount and it is a real hotel. With sheets and everything else. All you need is a ID for her and if she is a Vennie than she needs a passport.I've stayed at Hotel Deseo about a dozen times and it's quite obvious what happened, the Chica told the clerk at the front desk that she had a gringo with her, and proposed splitting the 150 K that was going to be paid for the room between themselves (the clerk and the Chica) after the actual cost of the room, so they probably each made out with about 50 K each between them.
I think that is what makes it interesting and his the writing too. He probably was under the influence of marijuana and he already threw out his contract by that point.I believe there was a signed agreement in this instance, and I suspect what happened was that the Chica upon signing the contract added some clauses relative to Hotel stays and costs, and for a TLN she would be in charge of making the arrangements for any overnight Hotel stays, and he was stuck in that he could not breach the Contract after being signed, or risk being taken to court and being responsible for all legal fees.
At least that's what I think happened, but he did say he had six different contracts that he used for the Chicas, so maybe he used the wrong one. It's all a mystery at this point, God forbid he get's sued by a Chica for breaching a signed contract.
Rabo Verde
02-24-20, 19:37
I know RTFF, but I already read the forum, and I wanted to ask ONLY the senior guys with recent experience a question.
I haven't been to MDE in a long time!
Assume you are an older world traveler with lots of game, street smarts, and fluent Spanish.
Assume you like the thin young types.
Assume you want to spend the first few days interviewing and then the last few days GFE with the best of the bunch.
Assume a budget of $100-200 a day for everything. As for hotel, you don't need luxury, but no bedbugs, no guest fees and walking distance to venues if possible.
What would be the perfect week?
Rough breakdown of costs?
Hotels, bars, ads, street areas?
Thanks!
AdventureSeekr
02-24-20, 20:39
I've stayed at Hotel Deseo about a dozen times and it's quite obvious what happened, the Chica told the clerk at the front desk that she had a gringo with her, and proposed splitting the 150 K that was going to be paid for the room between themselves (the clerk and the Chica) after the actual cost of the room, so they probably each made out with about 50 K each between them.The whole story sounds ridiculous. The chica sounds like a total pain in the ass. I would have told her to buzz off hours ago. I think I also read he gave her 150 k for 2 beers and 4 joints. The joints are 2 k each and the beers are what, 4 k each so he paid 150 k for what costs 16 k. Same thing with the hotel.
I assume he gave her 50 k for a short time initially, then gave her 150 k for beers and joints, then 150 k for a hotel (I don't even think they smashed yet), then whatever he ended up paying her for TLN, he's probably into an annoying chica for 500 k that dragged him all over town and wasted his time.
I know RTFF, but I already read the forum, and I wanted to ask ONLY the senior guys with recent experience a question.
I haven't been to MDE in a long time!
Assume you are an older world traveler with lots of game, street smarts, and fluent Spanish.
Assume you like the thin young types.
Assume you want to spend the first few days interviewing and then the last few days GFE with the best of the bunch.
Assume a budget of $100-200 a day for everything. As for hotel, you don't need luxury, but no bedbugs, no guest fees and walking distance to venues if possible.
What would be the perfect week?
Rough breakdown of costs?
Hotels, bars, ads, street areas?
Thanks!Your in like Flint Man, speaking Spanish goes a long way. So many venues and so many places to stay. Based on your budget of $ 200 tops a day and wanting GFE, well there's so many ways you can go but as far as the "upper end" places like pulling girls from Gusto for TLN's that won't fit in your budget.
If your a FB guy and can develop a list of Chicas to meet before your arrival that might work for you. However I wouldn't waste any time interviewing girls. Instead I would immediately hook-up with them and start fucking. You will know right away whether they are going to be potential repeats for extended periods of time providing you with a GFE experience.
As far as where to find Chicas, besides FB, or perhaps Tinder beforehand, you could try the streets of El Centro, and although you say your fluent in Spanish, that whole scene just may not be to your liking. But some guys, like myself, have been quite satisfied with their experiences there, and you will have no problem meeting your budget requirements.
I am sure other posters will provide you with more Intel to help you out.
Above Average
02-24-20, 22:29
I'm back from Loutron and I'm quite satisfied with my experience. I was worried that the place would be a ghost town at 3 pm but I still got to see a lineup of 10+ girls.
My high standards once again came into effect and I found most of the girls fell into the 6-8 range but I saw 2 girls who were hard 9's and the girl I chose was one of the sexiest girls I've ever been with. (I reserve 10 for the most perfect girls and I don't think I've ever seen a 10 in this industry, although I have yet to meet any of those IG models).
I understand that some people consider the Loutron to be overpriced but for the quality of women it still costs less than a third of what I'd pay at home.
LoverBoy1024
02-24-20, 22:37
Confusing post (s) to say the least, especially the first one, was this the Hotel Deseos on the same street as the Airport Bus in El Centro, because if so, 150 K is awfully high as the rooms typically are like 22 K for short time and shouldn't of been like no more than 60 K for all night.This is Hotel Deseos that is behind Hotel Nutibara- which basically houses Yakusa casa next door.
Don't get me wrong, there are lots of women here who are absolute knock-outs but unless they are prepagos I find it very difficult to get to know them. My Spanish is fairly poor and because I mostly studied through apps (DuoLingo) I'm pretty much hopeless in conversations. I underestimated how big the language barrier would be because places like Mexico and Costa Rica are easy for English speakers.I suspected there was more than a "physical beauty" thing relating to your experiences in MDE thus far, and can understand your frustration with the language barrier as it can be daunting at times. I suspect you will encounter something that will better meet your expectations at some of the other venues other posters have mentioned and you may have a different opinion of MDE after being here a while.
This is Hotel Deseos that is behind Hotel Nutibara- which basically houses Yakusa casa next door.Yes everybody knows that. So how as the TLN?
LoverBoy1024
02-24-20, 22:46
I believe there was a signed agreement in this instance, and I suspect what happened was that the Chica upon signing the contract added some clauses relative to Hotel stays and costs, and for a TLN she would be in charge of making the arrangements for any overnight Hotel stays, and he was stuck in that he could not breach the Contract after being signed, or risk being taken to court and being responsible for all legal fees.
At least that's what I think happened, but he did say he had six different contracts that he used for the Chicas, so maybe he used the wrong one. It's all a mystery at this point, God forbid he get's sued by a Chica for breaching a signed contract.Perhaps I should have gone into more detail about our agreements. But please note that this was before you instructed me on the importance of payment after. This story should make it very clear. Pay after. Always!
Hope you all enjoy a good Mongering Romance novel. I'm thinking of creating the genre.
LoverBoy1024
02-24-20, 22:50
I thought things had finally settled in my favor. I got her out of the rip-off short time hotel she called home. We had agreed on a price for TLN. We found a hotel and checked in. And now this. "What is going on here!" I thought. "There is no way that she and her cousin are going to be a great threesome. " "If I agree to that, I would just be continuing to throw you money away. ".
"No, I don't want a threesome", I said. She continued undeterred "She is being evicted from her apartment and I must go help her", she explained. I knew this was turning bad then as I thought "if she leaves then I'm not going to see her again". I countered "She can find her own apartment. ".
She thought about this a moment and then she changed tactics. "She has another apartment but she cannot get it unless I am there", she claimed. "I will just be 20 minutes and I will fix this and be back", she pleaded. I thought about it a moment. If I want GFE, then telling her she cannot go for 20 minutes to help her friend is going to ruin my chances.
And anyway I thought; "Is this retaliation for our leaving her apartment? Is she stuck in some human trafficking scam where they are going to kick her out because she went with me to a short time hotel?" "I am going to look pretty bad if I don't help her fix this. " All of these things I thought, but didn't go through the laborious process of asking questions. Writing English and translating to Spanish; waiting for her to respond in Spanish and then trying to interpret the flawed translation from Google Translate was just not worth it.
I relented and told her to go ahead and help her cousin. But I warned her "if you are not back by 10 pm then I am going home. " She looked at me and smiled "of course I will be right back. " "Rapido" she said, and she was out the door and gone.
Part four of a multi-part post.
Mojo Bandit
02-24-20, 23:36
And anyway I thought; "Is this retaliation for our leaving her apartment? Is she stuck in some human trafficking scam where they are going to kick her out because she went with me to a short time hotel?" "I am going to look pretty bad if I don't help her fix this. " All of these things I thought, but didn't go through the laborious process of asking questions. Writing English and translating to Spanish; waiting for her to respond in Spanish and then trying to interpret the flawed translation from Google Translate was just not worth it.
I relented and told her to go ahead and help her cousin. But I warned her "if you are not back by 10 pm then I am going home. " She looked at me and smiled "of course I will be right back. " "Rapido" she said, and she was out the door and gone.
Part four of a multi-part post.I for one and very interested in hearing about all your adventures. I do suspect that some members are going to want to verbally thrash you for feeding into her dishonesty and gaminess, its typical chica behavior. Please do not let anyone deter you from completing your report, this is seriously something to be learned from about how these chicas act. I for one am very curious to see how your adventure turned out. If you made mistakes, it means you are on the learning curve. Personally I would have moved on to the next chica after the 150 k for the hotel incident. These drama queens come up with some stories though, "my mother is in the hospital" "my sister is having a baby" "my grandmother texted and my baby is sick", and sadly once in a while some of them may be true, but after you hear so many you will not every believe any. Keep it coming man. I would add that I absolutely agree that the language barrier makes it harder but once they start spinning yarns all your questions would just cause them to delve deeper into their bucket of lies.
PolloNegro
02-25-20, 00:22
The going rate for hotel Botero and Hotel Deseo is much cheaper. But if you don't RTFF you'll never know. Pollo negro is out!
LeyenLouvain
02-25-20, 00:38
Why do y'all make it out to be so complicated to monger? So you are going to tell a chick not to drug you and try to rob you because all of your valuables are at the bank? I don't think they take note of you having tons of cash and 6 Rolex watches before they decide to go on a mission. All this is already worked out before they get to you.
THEY FUCKING DRUG YOU FIRST. Then they search for your valuables. If you don't have any valubales in the place you can still die from the drugging, leaving you with no use for the stuff you wanted to hide in the first place. And if you do wake up you will be so happy to be alive that you will just be on the next flight home, instead of staying to call more chicks over that may drug you again.I certainly wouldn't tell her they were at the bank and I don't have any flashy valuables, however this is also about keeping things away from the hotel staff who can open an in-room safe if they want to.
I admire you for your trip in an SUV with a rural novia, hopefully I can also manage this one day.
Perhaps I should have gone into more detail about our agreements. But please note that this was before you instructed me on the importance of payment after. This story should make it very clear. Pay after. Always!
Hope you all enjoy a good Mongering Romance novel. I'm thinking of creating the genre.It's incredible how you have gone from being my "apprentice" to a Pulitzer Prize wining author of "Mongering Romance Novels". You need to title them, like "LoverBoys TLN at the Hotel of Desire" for each of your posts / novellas. Don't get me wrong, your posts, experiences, and what your going thru are quite interesting compared to a lot of the reports that show up on this thread, keep them coming, as I am sitting on pins and needles waiting for the next one.
I know RTFF, but I already read the forum, and I wanted to ask ONLY the senior guys with recent experience a question.
I haven't been to MDE in a long time!
Assume you are an older world traveler with lots of game, street smarts, and fluent Spanish.
Assume you like the thin young types.
Assume you want to spend the first few days interviewing and then the last few days GFE with the best of the bunch.
Assume a budget of $100-200 a day for everything. As for hotel, you don't need luxury, but no bedbugs, no guest fees and walking distance to venues if possible.
What would be the perfect week?
Rough breakdown of costs?
Hotels, bars, ads, street areas?
Thanks!First, I wouldn't consider a hotel. I'd pick an Airbnb at San Peter Apartments in Laureles. Guest friendly, prices from $35-$50 per night, convenient to cheaper food, entertainment and the metro. I also wouldn't consider a $100 day limit for "a perfect week. " $200 per day is more reasonable.
You can do $100 day, in El Centro, no air conditioning and a questionable room, but the chance of perfect is slim. If money is an issue, I'd save money on food, rather than skimp on lodging. Shop around and you can eat 3 meals daily for 25-30 k. Also, whenever possible use the metro. Taxi charges add up.
If you're going the low budget route, follow Surfer500's advice. Hit up the street girls. It takes patience to find a good one. Just keep making laps, until you see what you like, then pounce. Try her out. If she has potential get her number. Repeat until you find enough for phase 2, the GFE dates.
Costs:
Lodging $25-$30 daily.
Food $10 daily.
Girls $40-$60 daily for trial runs (3-4 daily).
$50-$60 daily for 1 girl daily for GFE (long session).
If you're going for the $200 per day budget, I'd start building a Facebook list. Here's a link that will walk you through it:
This is an easy guide on how to get started using Facebook to find girls in Medellin. I'd work on getting at least 100 girls on your Facebook. I already mentioned lodging. Food strategy remains the same, although you can splurge a bit. Set up the girls 2 per day, if you can handle that. You're going to pay more, but your tryouts will be for much longer and will likely be the GFE you're looking for. Select your favorites for phase 2.
Costs:
Lodging $50 per day.
Food $15 day.
Girls $125 day (2 girls per day every day, or 1 girl TLN).
Rhetorical question: What does the price you would pay at home have to do with the price you pay in Medellin?
Honest answer: Nothing whatsoever.
With all due respect, it is a major tell when guys start bringing up the price of whatever back home. It means guys know they overpaid and are looking for a way to justify it. Don't get me wrong, I don't care what guys pay and it's none of my damn business. What I can't abide is not owning it. I do much better when guys say "I can afford it and I don't care if I pay more than I have to pay".
I'm back from Loutron and I'm quite satisfied with my experience. I was worried that the place would be a ghost town at 3 pm but I still got to see a lineup of 10+ girls.
My high standards once again came into effect and I found most of the girls fell into the 6-8 range but I saw 2 girls who were hard 9's and the girl I chose was one of the sexiest girls I've ever been with. (I reserve 10 for the most perfect girls and I don't think I've ever seen a 10 in this industry, although I have yet to meet any of those IG models).
I understand that some people consider the Loutron to be overpriced but for the quality of women it still costs less than a third of what I'd pay at home.
The Critic
02-25-20, 05:35
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women, and I don't mind paying more to see the best of the best.Really! LOL!. That sounds good but it don't mean Sh*t with out a reference point! Since "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and we don't know you. Can you post some links to images or name celebrities or pornstars, that correspond to Women who match your high standards?? or purchase a subscription / membership so you can post images. Then we can evaluate what your "high standards" really look like, then recommend the proper place for you to possibly seek your type of women.
KilledSoul
02-25-20, 07:43
I for one and very interested in hearing about all your adventures. I do suspect that some members are going to want to verbally thrash you for feeding into her dishonesty and gaminess, its typical chica behavior. Well I am hooked to LoverBoy1024 story. Kindly request all the seniors to refrain from thrashing so he completes his multi-part story. Once its done please have a go at him as you please. LOL.
LoverBoy please keep writing.
I have to agree with you, I was not at all impressed with Colombia. Both Mexico and Russia are much better destinations, for me. If you like the fake asses MDE is the place, not for me and I also have fairly high standards. I would not go back to MDE, only for work, MDE was a major let down for me.I have been to both Mexico and Russia and prefer Colombians. For the same reason my neighbor prefers Chinese women over Colombians. It's a matter of preference and taste obviously. As for me, I did not have one chick with a fake ass. What I had was girls that are making me wonder how the hell I can live there part of the year LOL. I think you came across a few bad apples that left a sour taste in your mouth. I would definitely not give up on Medellin.
Loverboy, this doesn't sound like a GFE time you are having but a 20 year wife you wish you would have divorced 10 years previous. One thing I have learned from mongering is cut bait quick. If a escort or girl is supposed to be at your hotel at 10 and its 1030 leave. Don't play games with these chicks. When drama starts happening with cousins and sisters and God knows what, just cut bait. Most important rule of mongering "Always cut bait when fun is replaced by major headaches".
Mongerlorian
02-25-20, 10:50
I've read this forum for years. Used it as a travel guide. MrEnternatiinal, Oldkool and others reports helped me plan my first ever trip to Sosua just from trip reports. So I know how to RTFF. I went back 50 pages here and flew out. Stayed in Poblado area. First place wasn't all that girl friendly but I booked for two so there. But they tripped about noise, blah blah. Switched to a place right around the corner. First night was a Monday. Wingman was down for the count so I walked to Parque Lleras myself. At 1130 at night. Earlier in the day I exchanged money at the western union in the exito. I'm not sure why that hasn't been mentioned (or maybe it has). Use your passport seemed favorable exchange rate. I also used the ATM in the exito as well. Went in gusto's, 20 k door damage. Met an Asian cat that gave me the lay of the land and an absolute clutch contact. Got one out Lleras but went against the warning signs of an aggressive chica. 250 k for toda la noche was the agreement. She darth Vader'the That shit and altered our agreement. One nut and ghost. Next day go to Botero but I could not pull from there. I tried to stand near that white church making eye contact, smoking a blunt. No bites. Maybe I looked to Colombian? Not as overt as Sosua and teajay. I couldn't tell who was in the game. I thought I knew but didn't get approached. So how do you pull out of botero? I'm so glad I didn't read about the chica getting robbed at gunpoint. I was there during that time. I think it was Thursday when people started whistling and running in the plaza like chasing a muthafucka. Cops caught dude by conjetas. Yeah went in there too 70 k FS. I can post more if why'all want.
Mongerlorian
02-25-20, 10:54
Used western union to exchange money. Couldn't pull of Botero. They didn't even approach me. Do I look too Colombian? All I got was "snoop dog! My first night I hit gusto's 20 k door damage and 50 k for a shot of Hennessy.
I have been to both Mexico and Russia and prefer Colombians. For the same reason my neighbor prefers Chinese women over Colombians. It's a matter of preference and taste obviously. As for me, I did not have one chick with a fake ass. What I had was girls that are making me wonder how the hell I can live there part of the year LOL. I think you came across a few bad apples that left a sour taste in your mouth. I would definitely not give up on Medellin.In almost a full year in Medellin I only had one fake ass and it was so well done, I wasn't sure until I asked.
First, I wouldn't consider a hotel. I'd pick an Airbnb at San Peter Apartments in Laureles. Guest friendly, prices from $35-$50 per night, convenient to cheaper food, entertainment and the metro. I also wouldn't consider a $100 day limit for "a perfect week. " $200 per day is more reasonable.
..........My advice to guys who visit Medellin regularly is to hit the ground shopping around. I avoid accommodation like San Peter Apts and Energy where there are lots of gringos as I try to be anonymous in my hobbying destinations. What about us trying to reduce the sex tourism thing that Colombian NGOs love to make reference to. A mongering hub is too visible.
When I first visited Medellin and continuing for some years I stayed in hotels but after looking around I found accommodation that suits me well that is utilized mostly by Colombians with a smattering of foreigners. It is a furnished 2 bedroom apartment with full kitchen for $40 per night, the reception knows me well by now and there is no problem with me bringing in the odd date. I am mostly a casa man so that is not very often. So guys move around, look around.
I've also mongered extensively in both Mexico and Russia, and, unless you're talking the good VFM in St. Petersburg, I do not see a good comparison.
The Russians may be as physically appealing but, IMHO, the Paisas blow pretty much everyone out of the water with their passion and engagement. As in all cases the caveat is YMMV.
I have been to both Mexico and Russia and prefer Colombians. For the same reason my neighbor prefers Chinese women over Colombians. It's a matter of preference and taste obviously. As for me, I did not have one chick with a fake ass. What I had was girls that are making me wonder how the hell I can live there part of the year LOL. I think you came across a few bad apples that left a sour taste in your mouth. I would definitely not give up on Medellin.
I've read this forum for years. .........................
Next day go to Botero but I could not pull from there. I tried to stand near that white church making eye contact, smoking a blunt. No bites. Maybe I looked to Colombian? Not as overt as Sosua and teajay. I couldn't tell who was in the game. I thought I knew but didn't get approached. So how do you pull out of botero? It's easy to miss. Here are some tips.
Standing around, walk up to her and ask 2 things, tu estas trabajando (Are You working?) if she says yes, then ask, Cuanto por un rato Contigo (how much pesos to spend a short time with you!) problem solved. Pollo negro is out!
I had just spotted a beautiful one sitting alone and went to sit next to her to chat and negotiate, when one who I had already turned down. She was maybe a 6 or 7 at best. She starts harassing me, at first I am just saying "no puedo" and " No puedo, soy demasiado viejo"I telling her the half truth, she kept on so I tell her in my sad broken spanish very loudly in this crowded public place as you know Lleras is " I am in my fifties and I can only do so much in a day and I already had sex three times today, I can't do it again. " With just slight bit of irritation in my voice. She turned to walk away. As soon as she turned her back I turned to the chica I had went to sit next to and asked "Estas Trabajando?" (are you working) she nodded yes, I said "Vamonos".
I tried to stand near that white church making eye contact, smoking a blunt. No bites.
You should avoid that area. That is where most trannies gather.
You will see girls around statues or by the trees if you walk toward the direction of the museum and stop before the first intersection. Also a gringo smoking pot publicly is not a good idea
Mr Enternational
02-25-20, 19:21
Next day go to Botero but I could not pull from there. I tried to stand near that white church making eye contact, smoking a blunt. No bites. Maybe I looked to Colombian? Not as overt as Sosua and teajay. I couldn't tell who was in the game. I thought I knew but didn't get approached. So how do you pull out of botero?I don't know what is up with this eye contact thing that some guys talk about. But it seems you have it backwards. You don't sit around and wait for them to come up to you. You walk around and look for them and you approach them. I think it is obvious the ones that are hookers. I guess as I have said before, nobody else is really standing around with slutty looking clothes doing nothing. Most people are downtown walking and taking care of business. The hookers are the ones that are loitering.
It takes patience to find a good one. Just keep making laps, until you see what you like, then pounce.
Why would you think it had to do something with you looking Colombian? I never see any foreigners downtown. If the hookers there had to depend on foreigners then they would starve. It is a local market.
I've read this forum for years. Used it as a travel guide. MrEnternatiinal, Oldkool and others reports helped me plan my first ever trip to Sosua just from trip reports. So I know how to RTFF. I went back 50 pages here and flew out. Stayed in Poblado area. First place wasn't all that girl friendly but I booked for two so there. But they tripped about noise, blah blah. Switched to a place right around the corner. First night was a Monday. Wingman was down for the count so I walked to Parque Lleras myself. At 1130 at night. Earlier in the day I exchanged money at the western union in the exito. I'm not sure why that hasn't been mentioned (or maybe it has). Use your passport seemed favorable exchange rate. I also used the ATM in the exito as well. Went in gusto's, 20 k door damage. Met an Asian cat that gave me the lay of the land and an absolute clutch contact. Got one out Lleras but went against the warning signs of an aggressive chica. 250 k for toda la noche was the agreement. She darth Vader'the That shit and altered our agreement. One nut and ghost. Next day go to Botero but I could not pull from there. I tried to stand near that white church making eye contact, smoking a blunt. No bites. Maybe I looked to Colombian? Not as overt as Sosua and teajay. I couldn't tell who was in the game. I thought I knew but didn't get approached. So how do you pull out of botero? I'm so glad I didn't read about the chica getting robbed at gunpoint. I was there during that time. I think it was Thursday when people started whistling and running in the plaza like chasing a muthafucka. Cops caught dude by conjetas. Yeah went in there too 70 k FS. I can post more if why'all want.Please do post more. It helps everyone.
Yes, Western Union also does currency exchange, with rates comparable to the other exchange places.
Your Botero experience is a good case for posting before your trip. Sosua and Medellin, completely different vibes. Medellin has a laid back, beach vibe and Sosua has the big city hustle vibe. Walking through the streets in Sosua is a full contact sport, at least it was when I went. It was obvious who the working girls were, because: A. Everyone on the street was working, be. Every one of them would make a grab for you.
In Medellin very few of the girls will make a move at you. If they do, avoid them. They're either a pickpocket, desperate, or a tranny. Most will just make eye contact and smile, a few will make an annoying tongue clicking sound.
In Botero Plaza, look for groups of 2 or 3 who aren't taking pictures of the statues. If they're just hanging out in the plaza, they're working. If you see one you want, just talk to her. I'll let Surfer500 school you on the best lines to use. I'd just say something like "buenas (generic Colombian greeting). Quiero una companera (there's supposed to be a tilde over that "and" " Although I'd toss in a few pleasantries first. Settle on a price and off you go.
For your Parque Lleras experience, TLN should be reserved for girls who rocked your world the first time. Not for first time sessions.
If you didn't visit any casas, I'd recommend trying them out next trip. You might also want to try out Facebook. If you plan on staying near Parque Lleras, you should have better luck with the Facebook girls.
What about the rest of your trip? Did you do anything else? What were the issues you ran into? What was your overall impression compared to Sosua?
My advice to guys who visit Medellin regularly is to hit the ground shopping around. I avoid accommodation like San Peter Apts and Energy where there are lots of gringos as I try to be anonymous in my hobbying destinations. What about us trying to reduce the sex tourism thing that Colombian NGOs love to make reference to. A mongering hub is too visible.
When I first visited Medellin and continuing for some years I stayed in hotels but after looking around I found accommodation that suits me well that is utilized mostly by Colombians with a smattering of foreigners. It is a furnished 2 bedroom apartment with full kitchen for $40 per night, the reception knows me well by now and there is no problem with me bringing in the odd date. I am mostly a casa man so that is not very often. So guys move around, look around.Excellent advice, but.
An infrequent, first time or hasn't been for many years visitor is a different story. They're more likely to want some assistance, someone to help with the mundane stuff like where and what to eat, how to find the casas and how to buy sildenafil. A mongering hub puts them in a more comfortable environment. It's probably the main reason the Mansion has the same guests who have been staying there for years.
It also avoids the issue of getting girls turned away because no guests are allowed, a frequent complaint. That's not much of a problem if you rarely bring girls to your apartment, but a big deal for guys planning on 2-3 girls a day.
For a first visit, for the typical visitor, go with a known entity. On your next trip devote some time to finding a more discreet environment, which better suits your requirements.
LoverBoy1024
02-25-20, 20:03
Well I am hooked to LoverBoy1024 story. Kindly request all the seniors to refrain from thrashing so he completes his multi-part story. Once its done please have a go at him as you please. LOL.
LoverBoy please keep writing.I managed to leave my iPad on the bus yesterday and it had my story on it. Lucky for me I can pick the iPad up in lost and found on Friday. I will post the next segment then. Thanks everyone for the encouraging words.
Above Average
02-25-20, 20:06
Really! LOL!. That sounds good but it don't mean Sh*t with out a reference point! Since "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and we don't know you. Can you post some links to images or name celebrities or pornstars, that correspond to Women who match your high standards?? or purchase a subscription / membership so you can post images. Then we can evaluate what your "high standards" really look like, then recommend the proper place for you to possibly seek your type of women.I submitted payment for a subscription yesterday but I don't think its gone through yet.
It should be pretty easy to find pictures of the model I consider a perfect 10, her name is Melissa Mendiny (aka Lexa). She's still a total babe in her 30's but when she was in her prime I considered her body as the most perfect. Her ass is quite famous.
Melissa is Czech, but I find that the best models these days usually come from Ukraine because they have very slender bodies, good muscle definition and great curves. Not sure if that's someplace I want to travel to though.
John Clayton
02-25-20, 20:39
I...Lucky for me I can pick the iPad up in lost and found on Friday...Lucky...I guess! What country do you live in? For sure, here in SF you would be SOL.
PolloNegro
02-25-20, 21:25
why ld you want to see me? you think it had to do something with you looking Colombian? I never see any foreigners downtown. If the hookers there had to depend on foreigners then they would starve. It is a local market.I have seen it with my own eyes & have it on good accord for the last 6 weeks, the girls in the park do depend on foreigners and they are starving, Mr E, you are oh so right again. Many Gringos are simply not taking dates with girls in the park due to ganas, robberies, and bullshit from the hotels. Lose enough money & anything will fall apart. Pollo negro is out!
Met a very pretty street girl in the park around 9 PM who refused to go back to my apartment, said only local hotel. I was with my Colombian friend and he could not convince her. Shy girl.
Met two other girls in other bars both of whom were working / hostess / waitress. Both said they are not that kind of girl, but we have been exchanging messages and are planning to go out anyway.
Any experiences, suggestions?
This was my first visit to the bars and the area, I have to say it was good fun and the place is underrated.
Please do post more. It helps everyone.
Yes, Western Union also does currency exchange, with rates comparable to the other exchange places.
Your Botero experience is a good case for posting before your trip. Sosua and Medellin, completely different vibes. Medellin has a laid back, beach vibe and Sosua has the big city hustle vibe. Walking through the streets in Sosua is a full contact sport, at least it was when I went. It was obvious who the working girls were, because: A. Everyone on the street was working, be. Every one of them would make a grab for you.
In Medellin very few of the girls will make a move at you. If they do, avoid them. They're either a pickpocket, desperate, or a tranny. Most will just make eye contact and smile, a few will make an annoying tongue clicking sound.
In Botero Plaza, look for groups of 2 or 3 who aren't taking pictures of the statues. If they're just hanging out in the plaza, they're working. If you see one you want, just talk to her. I'll let Surfer500 school you on the best lines to use. I'd just say something like "buenas (generic Colombian greeting). Quiero una companera (there's supposed to be a tilde over that "and" " Although I'd toss in a few pleasantries first. Settle on a price and off you go.I concur with your comments, and have some comments of my own. As having lots of experience with Sosua in years past, I can see how this poster Mongerloin was a bit perplexed on the El Centro street scene. Two totally different places for sure, and going from one to another can be difficult, especially when coming from Sosua where every available girl will come on to you, where as in El Centro you have to basically make the first move. The Sosua chicas have lots of experience dealing with gringos, in fact that is 100% of their clients, where as in Medellin it's the opposite, except for a hand-full of gringos. In other words, the clients in Medellin are are basically all locals, perhaps over 95% of them. So in this context, lots of the Chicas working in El Centro have limited experience with gringos, where it's the opposite in Sosua. In regards to who is working in El Centro, anyone standing around is working, and so are all of the girls walking around selling candy. There are of course some exceptions to this, but you have to ask yourself, why are these girls hanging around, what for?
As far as what to say these girls, as you have inferred that I am well schooled in this, it's really going to be a function of the mongers Spanish speaking skills. For those with limited Spanish speaking skills, it's going to be a challenge, but can be overcome if kept very simple as far as what is expected. One thing you eluded to in your post was regarding girls that approach you and staying away from them, in my experience it goes deeper than that. Besides the ones that come on to you, I have found that the girls that I have approached that within thirty seconds are telling you how good they are and pushing to go to the room are to be avoided as well.
Sometimes when I see one I like, I conduct a friendly interview, chit chat for a few minutes, and them politely blow them off by telling them I just ate, or give them some other excuse on purpose to see how they respond. The ones that get all pissed off that I don't go with them is a pretty good indicator that they might not be a good provider. Where as the ones that are cordial, polite, and it was nice meeting you, that's another story, and at that point I either go with them, or come back to them.
Met a very pretty street girl in the park around 9 PM who refused to go back to my apartment, said only local hotel. I was with my Colombian friend and he could not convince her. Shy girl.
Met two other girls in other bars both of whom were working / hostess / waitress. Both said they are not that kind of girl, but we have been exchanging messages and are planning to go out anyway.
Any experiences, suggestions?
This was my first visit to the bars and the area, I have to say it was good fun and the place is underrated.It makes sense to me that the street girl would not go back to your apartment. She perhaps was afraid she was going to potentially accosted by you and your friend. If you really liked that street girl, take her to a local hotel, and then if you want to repeat, she perhaps will go to your apartment. As far as the other girls, take them out for sure, and if they like you, you most probably will be able to fuck them but probably not for free, just try to offer them some compensation like perhaps something they need, etc. A donation like they need something for one of their kids, etc.
I've read this forum for years. Used it as a travel guide. MrEnternatiinal, Oldkool and others reports helped me plan my first ever trip to Sosua just from trip reports. So I know how to RTFF. I went back 50 pages here and flew out. Stayed in Poblado area. First place wasn't all that girl friendly but I booked for two so there. But they tripped about noise, blah blah. Switched to a place right around the corner. First night was a Monday. Wingman was down for the count so I walked to Parque Lleras myself. At 1130 at night. Earlier in the day I exchanged money at the western union in the exito. I'm not sure why that hasn't been mentioned (or maybe it has). Use your passport seemed favorable exchange rate. I also used the ATM in the exito as well. Went in gusto's, 20 k door damage. Met an Asian cat that gave me the lay of the land and an absolute clutch contact. Got one out Lleras but went against the warning signs of an aggressive chica. 250 k for toda la noche was the agreement. She darth Vader'the That shit and altered our agreement. One nut and ghost. Next day go to Botero but I could not pull from there. I tried to stand near that white church making eye contact, smoking a blunt. No bites. Maybe I looked to Colombian? Not as overt as Sosua and teajay. I couldn't tell who was in the game. I thought I knew but didn't get approached. So how do you pull out of botero? I'm so glad I didn't read about the chica getting robbed at gunpoint. I was there during that time. I think it was Thursday when people started whistling and running in the plaza like chasing a muthafucka. Cops caught dude by conjetas. Yeah went in there too 70 k FS. I can post more if why'all want.If you had RTFF, you'd know that one of the basic rules of this hobby is don't bargain for toda la noche with a girl you just met. There's just no upside to doing so. There is a high chance the girl will just leave after your first pop. There's also a reasonable chance YOU won't want her to stay. Her pussy might stink, baby damage, teethy blow job, or just a terrible fuck. The best policy is make an agreement for short-time. If you've both enjoying yourselves, it's usually quite easy to extend the time.
TherminMermin
02-26-20, 02:52
Probably my favorite mongering trip yet. I'll try to keep it short.
Originally booked nutibara but changed it to Hotel Dorado La 70. Glad I made the change because Dorado is in a great spot. Nice hotel, room had a great view, and the restaurant / bar was good. Most importantly they were accommodating in regards to the girls. The girls had to register, that's it. No charge or stink eye from female hotel workers. 24 HR security guard also. Had up to 4 guests in one day and still no charge. Had 2 girls at the same time and thought for sure I'd get charged but I didn't. Maybe it was because it was before 6 pm idk. It is near the stadium and in the heart of some awesome nightlife. Only beef was after 5 pm it took the shower 20 minutes to get hot.
Tinder and strip clubs were the 2 main sources of girls. Tinder girls were non pro single moms looking for some sort of stability or good time or sponsor I guess idk. Hooked up 3 of the 5 tinder girls I took out on dates. It was mainly typical date type stuff, movies, eating, concerts, shopping, etc. It was a bit of a courting process and took effort. Next time I will focus on pros because once all the time was spent trying to talk them into bed I could have had several more pros, I do not regret it though. They were good women and I am still talking to them to this day. One of the 3 everything covered, and that one didn't even suck dick. The other 2 everything bare. 1 of the 3 did anal. And yes I did pay for babysitters and taxis which ranged from 20 mil-50 mil every time we met up.
I visited 4 strip clubs, 1 casa, 1 chica from milerotica, and 1 massage joint. In the club its approx 80 mil pesos for 30 min but outside the club I negotiated 50 mil-100 mil per hour. Pulled most girls from conejos than executive. There was also arriba and some other club that started with an "m". Casa was Lindas or something. I did not see anyone there the selection was bad. Massage joint was OM and it was a great massage. First time I went to OM was on a tinder date and second time was on my own after climbing guatape'. No boom boom, massage only and it was fantastic. All the girls from the clubs were in their early to mid 20's fleshy and voluptuous and all natural. All BBBJ and CFS. 3 of the 7 did anal. Massiel was the girl off milerotica, she was fun. Go see her if you like thick.
Only ATM that worked for me was colpatria and there was one inside a Jumbo shopping center near my hotel. Took many dates to a seafood restaurant called "something del Mar.", it was near the stadium. Food was fantastic and all the girls seemed to love seafood so I went there several times and the women working there would laugh at me whenever I walked in with a different woman. Also ate at Mondongos and that was good. Other than that the most food I ate was room service and that shit was great.
I know I misspelled alotta shit or got some names wrong. Try not to take offense, I speak very little Spanish. I wore out my translation app on this trip.
KetoAndKettle
02-26-20, 03:06
These are incredible rates. Are these street girls you found in El Centro?
Oh, that $ symbol shouldn't be there. I am pretty sure I didn't have it in the translation. I don't think anyone thought I was quoting dollars. I actually don't think it's a good idea to put prices in the contract (patent pending) anymore so I took them out. But the second girl quoted like 40 k and my contract said 50 k. So I had to pay 50.
FYI: here is the breakdown of my expenses today (nothing near $40).
Girl one: 75,000 pesos ($22.16) 1 hour including hotel.
Girl two: 66,000 pesos ($19.50) 1 hour including hotel.
Girl three: 80,000 pesos ($23.63) half hour including hotel.
Girl four: 55,000 pesos ($16.25) half hour including hotel.
Avocado: 1,000 pesos ($ 0.30).
Totals: 277,000 pesos ($81.83).
I love Medellin!
The Critic
02-26-20, 04:07
I submitted payment for a subscription yesterday but I don't think its gone through yet.
It should be pretty easy to find pictures of the model I consider a perfect 10, her name is Melissa Mendiny (aka Lexa). She's still a total babe in her 30's but when she was in her prime I considered her body as the most perfect. Her ass is quite famous.
Melissa is Czech, but I find that the best models these days usually come from Ukraine because they have very slender bodies, good muscle definition and great curves. Not sure if that's someplace I want to travel to though.I do not know what others think on the forum. . But for me I do not consider her a "10" not even close given your statement "Very High Standards" for selecting women. Decent body, more of your average "Next Door European Girl" look.
I did not comment to disparage your choices. I just wanted to dissect your statement of Very High Standards which is a one-sided statement not supported by consensus. The statement "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" really applies here. I would not have taken exception to your statement if you at least said "I'm very choosey or picky or like certain qualities in women, Etc. You made it seem your choices in women were better or of higher quality than members of this forum.
Again, I don't care who you want to be with or how much you want to spend. At the end of the day it's your time and money.
Monger on and have fun!!
The Critic
02-26-20, 04:17
Met a very pretty street girl in the park around 9 PM who refused to go back to my apartment, said only local hotel. I was with my Colombian friend and he could not convince her. Shy girl.
Met two other girls in other bars both of whom were working / hostess / waitress. Both said they are not that kind of girl, but we have been exchanging messages and are planning to go out anyway.
Any experiences, suggestions?
This was my first visit to the bars and the area, I have to say it was good fun and the place is underrated.Could she be new to the game and just wanted to go to (be on) familiar ground. She could be scared or not familiar with your apartment location or had a bad experience at the location. Nothing to be concerned about either go to a local love motel that you mutually agree on (in case you feel her local motel choice is sketchy or presents a personal security issue) or move on and find someone else who will go to your apartment. Not good to have a girl (or even yourself) being uncomfortable in a location they don't want to go to.
Let us know how you resolved the issue.
Mr Enternational
02-26-20, 04:48
Took many dates to a seafood restaurant called "something del Mar.", it was near the stadium. Food was fantastic and all the girls seemed to love seafood so I went there several times and the women working there would laugh at me whenever I walked in with a different woman.You better watch that shit. A few years ago I went to one of my favorite restaurants in Lima with this chick I was fucking. A couple of days later I told my girlfriend that I just got into town and took her to the same restaurant. The waitress ratted me out.
TherminMermin
02-26-20, 05:20
She darth Vader'the That shit and altered our agreement.Love the star wars reference. That's a good one but don't get cocky! I have to stop myself from making star wars references all day.
TherminMermin
02-26-20, 05:32
You better watch that shit. A few years ago I went to one of my favorite restaurants in Lima with this chick I was fucking. A couple of days later I told my girlfriend that I just got into town and took her to the same restaurant. The waitress ratted me out.Yeah I knew I was gambling. Rolled the dice and didn't get busted. Sort of. One of the waitresses there did mention what I had ordered before to one of the girls. Nothing came of it.
Mojo Bandit
02-26-20, 07:16
Hi guys,
I'm halfway through a 2 week trip in Columbia and I'm not sure if this is this is the best place in the forum to introduce myself. I will provide some proper intel once I get back home on my desktop computer (this website is awful in mobile format).
I need to make it clear that I have very high standards in women,
Really! LOL!. That sounds good but it don't mean Sh*t with out a reference point! Since "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and we don't know you. .Everyone has a type, and some guys have their own special type that others would not necessarily go ga ga over, it's why we stole the expression "je ne sais quoi" from the French, not to sound snotty but because it describes a quality about that someone that we find attractive but cannot put our finger on it. Of course literally translated of 'I don't know" but we and she would sound pretty ignorant if we said she has a "I don't know' about her that I am attracted to. So I don't know why AboveAverage finds Melissa Mendiny to be attractive but he does.
I myself have a type also; Latina, dark hair, dark skin, and usually dark eyes but sometimes the dark complexion can make some blue eyes look good. I do not know that I see that many 10's as working girls, but there sure are plenty of 8's and 9's. P.S. Unless I have already talked to you do not ask who the chicas are, just know that chicas like these are out there to be found if you know where to look.
AdventureSeekr
02-26-20, 07:38
It's been a long day. Arrived at the airport at 4 am, took a connection in Panama City into Medellin. It's the shortest itinerary from the Caribbean, no non stops unfortunately. Easy flights though. Got into Medellin around 11:30 am. I have a driver waiting to pick me up and decide to hit an ATM at the airport just to have something in hand. By the way the cambios were offering 2600 cop to 1 usd and the current rate today was 3430. I laughed at them. Tried two ATM's but the fee was high and it wouldn't show me the rate it was offering, so I hit cancel, but the second ATM gave me the money anyway and ignored that cancel request. Whatever, not a big deal, I have Schwab, the fees will be returned. Super fast into the city, like 20 minutes in the tunnel and I'm at the Airbnb.
Airbnb was super flexible, cleaning lady was finishing up, let me check in early. I'm already wacked out from not sleeping the night before but try to find the closest ATM, walk 5-6 minutes and find one but the max limit is 400 k. Fuck it, already here, take out 400 K. Again, the fees get returned so not a big deal. I see some simcards hanging from a window and go check it out, find out one of the travel phones I bought off eBay is actually not unlocked so that's annoying. Walk back to the Airbnb to get the second travel phone I bought for exactly these kinds of stupid situations. I always have a backup of the backup. I get side tracked unpacking, setting up the firestick on the TV and turns out after 2 hours of messing around with the TV, the landlord, the maintenance guy, the TV HDMIs are broken, so they bring over a new TV.
I decide to head to Santa Fe mall to see what that's about and to go to a cell store to get the local phone situation squared away. This is around 2:30 pm and the traffic is horrendous and the uber driver is also really confused. We decide fuck this, and I ask him to take me to Carulla, I'll do some grocery shopping and do the mall tomorrow. ATM here lets me take 600 k. Head into the supermarket, its gorgeous out. 45 minutes later on the way out with 5 full bags, its a downpour but there happens to be a yellow taxi right outside, and I have my hands full of bags, so instead of messing with Uber, I decide to try it out. Turns out to be totally fine and 5500 pesos back to Airbnb.
It's probably around 5:30 pm or so and I order Rappi, comes in 30 minutes, super solid for 20 k pesos, its easily 2-3 meals for $5-6. I forget the name of the place but it was half a chicken, potatoes and arepas. Simple and filling, it's all I needed after not eating all day because airport food is garbage. Definitely going to be using Rappi often, too convenient.
I'm showered, fed, have beers, rum and some snacks in the house plus a ton of shit to cook. Now that the landlord is out of the way, I started texting some chicas I've been in contact with. My first pick is not available but we confirm for tomorrow, we'll see if that happens but understandable. Next pick won't be back in Medellin until 10 pm and honestly I'm exhausted so I was trying to go to bed by 10 pm. She wants to hang out tomorrow but now I made those other plans so we confirm for Thursday and chat for a little. Again, we'll actually see if that happens. Third pick lost her ID and will let me know when she has the new one. Jeez, you got to be kidding me, you need to lock down your chica early or they get busy. I have 25 others minimum that I want to see but I was really set on those 3 for my first day and got tired of texting, waiting 20 minutes for a response, finding out they are busy and wasting so much time.
I decide to check out photoprepagos and see what's there. I had 3 bookmarked that look amazing but no response at all, on whatsapp, you can see the message wasn't even delivered. Finally I get into a convo with one that has an amazing body but won't show face pics. She agrees to oral natural, dos polvos, not stuck on 1 hour time limit and will come to me for 200 k total. A lot of the photoprepagos, mileroticos chicas have a location and honestly after such a long day and me not knowing where I am, and not having my burner iphone setup, going out at 9 pm just was not appealing. More than I wanted to pay but screw it, told her to come over. She got here in about 45 minutes, not bad from what I've read.
I go down to meet her and from behind, this girls body is great. 8. 5 She turns to greet me and I understand why she doesn't send face pics. 5. 5 I kind of knew that going into it at this point that something is off if they won't answer a question or send a pic, she is cute but has bad acne. Its a turn off. I'm this far into it and just want to release and go to bed so check in at security desk and up we go. She is super sweet, kind of newish, submissive, can just tell she isn't hardened and is a little awkward. Clothes come off and she has fantastic perky tits and a great ass. Her tits are really just awesome. Blowjob totally sucks, negative points there, but she can take a pounding for how small she is. First pop and she asks for a drink and goes to get a beer. Comes back and offers a massage, and surprisingly, it was damn good. My neck was really bothering me and I was feeling tense and she worked that shit out. Go for round 2 and she gets on top and puts on a show, like. She should have mentioned this earlier, she can ride with the best of them, I mean, this was her hidden talent, she has moves and can really ride, I was shocked, I did not see that coming at all. She worked the shit out of me and was sexy as hell doing it. Really took the whole session from okay to yes, that was definitely worth it regardless of the weird negatives.
She asks if she can stay the night and if I would want her too, nothing extra needed. It's funny because she was so pressed earlier when we were texting for me to pay more than 200 k, then for the taxi, then for more time but then after settling on 200 k flat without all the limitations, she gets here, settles down and wants to stay LOL Why hassle the shit out of me for an hour over text to do that. OH, and I text her that I will only pay at the end but she had left and had no service so half way here she is bugging out saying I have to pay first. I hold my ground and say, forget it, then go home because its not happening. After 5 minutes of back and forth, she say its fine, tranquilo LOL Anyway, I tell her I haven't slept and I want to go to bed so I'm sure if there was better chemistry and she was SUPER fine, of course I would have said yes she can stay. It was a fun experience but I wasn't looking to invest any more time in her. Super fun, but won't see her again. Too many others out there and want to find the gems.
Lots of quirks but its day 1. I'm here for 3 weeks. Very much looking forward to how things progress from here.
For reference cause I think its helpful:
Driver from airport to airbnb, we agreed on 80 k pesos a few weeks ago, when I confirmed this morning, he said the tolls have gone up so its now 95 k pesos. I just assume he's lying but honestly, I don't actually know, and it's $5, I told him I wasn't happy about it changing last minute, and I won't use him for the return trip (I didn't say that part to him of course).
Driver: 95 k pesos.
Rappi: 20 k pesos.
Uber: 8 k pesos.
Taxi: 5500 pesos.
Carulla: 303 k pesos (I bought a lot of stuff, including cheeses, BBC beers, Ron Medellin 12 year, salmon, camarones, olive oil, etc it was slightly less than stateside but I like to cook so its important I have stuff on hand. I also like to cook for chicas because it changes the entire dynamic and works 100% of the time) It's easily days worth of food and drink.
Chica: 200 k pesos.
Total Day 1: 631,500 pesos. Bank was giving 3314 (calculated from actual withdrawals) so $190. My daily spend budget is more than that, so considering Carulla and the driver won't be happening every day, I'm going to be spending way less here than anticipated.
............In Botero Plaza, look for groups of 2 or 3 who aren't taking pictures of the statues. If they're just hanging out in the plaza, they're working. If you see one you want, just talk to her............I'm not too sure about this. Not all non-pros are taking photos. I wish you are correct though, I've seen some seriously hot Colombianas strolling through the plaza and I mean seriously hot.
..............I myself have a type also; Latina, dark hair, dark skin, and usually dark eyes but sometimes the dark complexion can make some blue eyes look good.............My type is Caucasian, blonde, fair and slender. However, I do go to Colombia because the price is right.
Everyone has a type, and some guys have their own special type that others would not necessarily go ga ga over, it's why we stole the expression "je ne sais quoi" from the French, not to sound snotty but because it describes a quality about that someone that we find attractive but cannot put our finger on it. Of course literally translated of 'I don't know" but we and she would sound pretty ignorant if we said she has a "I don't know' about her that I am attracted to. So I don't know why AboveAverage finds Melissa Mendiny to be attractive but he does.
I myself have a type also; Latina, dark hair, dark skin, and usually dark eyes but sometimes the dark complexion can make some blue eyes look good. I do not know that I see that many 10's as working girls, but there sure are plenty of 8's and 9's. P.S. Unless I have already talked to you do not ask who the chicas are, just know that chicas like these are out there to be found if you know where to look.Nice collection of girls, but it kind of seems as though your showing off your stable and perhaps bragging a bit about them as to knowing where to find them. But again, very nice collection of girls, and my type as well, but only from the neck down. So what the hell am I talking about, well I don't fixate on the girls faces so much, but more on their bodies. But like you said, everyone has their own preferences, and for guys like myself, I check their bodies out first, followed by their face. Don't get me wrong, it they have a face like a train wreck I won't go with them, but they better have nice bodies, and based on my personal selection criteria, I have a much bigger pool of candidates to pull from.
Before any critics I have already RTFF and research this here with no success. I am a Canadian heading to Medellinin end March. I need a lot of cash for the weekend since I am getting there Friday night. I found out that I can wire myself via Xoom a PayPal service and picked up there in any Bancolombia. I am planning to pick it up Saturday morning. I am trying to find out if anybody here did this and if they were able to pick up the money without any problem using their passport? Bear in mind I was told with ATM is a limit of 300 $ for 2 days with my bank and that is why I am using this Xoom service.
The Tall Man
02-26-20, 16:22
I concur with your comments, and have some comments of my own. As having lots of experience with Sosua in years past, I can see how this poster Mongerloin was a bit perplexed on the El Centro street scene. Two totally different places for sure, and going from one to another can be difficult, especially when coming from Sosua where every available girl will come on to you, where as in El Centro you have to basically make the first move. The Sosua chicas have lots of experience dealing with gringos, in fact that is 100% of their clients, where as in Medellin it's the opposite, except for a hand-full of gringos. In other words, the clients in Medellin are are basically all locals, perhaps over 95% of them. So in this context, lots of the Chicas working in El Centro have limited experience with gringos, where it's the opposite in Sosua. In regards to who is working in El Centro, anyone standing around is working, and so are all of the girls walking around selling candy. There are of course some exceptions to this, but you have to ask yourself, why are these girls hanging around, what for?
As far as what to say these girls, as you have inferred that I am well schooled in this, it's really going to be a function of the mongers Spanish speaking skills. For those with limited Spanish speaking skills, it's going to be a challenge, but can be overcome if kept very simple as far as what is expected.Many new Vennie faces in Botero this past week. All hungry and with oil at below $50 the exchange is strong and holding great exchange rates.
Good comparison between the Sue and Botero. It is different scene, not better and not worse just different and you need to adjust your expectation and approach.
Let me just say that when you figure it out the fun is endless. You need some patience and time and effort in Botero but when you got this you got it all.
The Tall Man.
Why would you think it had to do something with you looking Colombian? I never see any foreigners downtown. If the hookers there had to depend on foreigners then they would starve. It is a local market.Not sure why you quoted me on this one. I don't look Colombian, unless someone mistakes me for a member of the 1984 Colombian National Basketball Team. Not the leading scorer, the one who tripped and lost the ball out of bounds and cost them the game.
These are incredible rates. Are these street girls you found in El Centro?All except for the avocado. That was probably a street fruit. Those are El Centro prices. He seems to have overpaid slightly.
I concur with your comments, and have some comments of my own. As having lots of experience with Sosua in years past, I can see how this poster Mongerloin was a bit perplexed on the El Centro street scene. Two totally different places for sure, and going from one to another can be difficult, especially when coming from Sosua where every available girl will come on to you, where as in El Centro you have to basically make the first move. The Sosua chicas have lots of experience dealing with gringos, in fact that is 100% of their clients, where as in Medellin it's the opposite, except for a hand-full of gringos. In other words, the clients in Medellin are are basically all locals, perhaps over 95% of them. So in this context, lots of the Chicas working in El Centro have limited experience with gringos, where it's the opposite in Sosua. In regards to who is working in El Centro, anyone standing around is working, and so are all of the girls walking around selling candy. There are of course some exceptions to this, but you have to ask yourself, why are these girls hanging around, what for? Pretty well sums up the differences.
As far as what to say these girls, as you have inferred that I am well schooled in this, it's really going to be a function of the mongers Spanish speaking skills. For those with limited Spanish speaking skills, it's going to be a challenge, but can be overcome if kept very simple as far as what is expected. One thing you eluded to in your post was regarding girls that approach you and staying away from them, in my experience it goes deeper than that. Besides the ones that come on to you, I have found that the girls that I have approached that within thirty seconds are telling you how good they are and pushing to go to the room are to be avoided as well.This is also true with most Facebook girls. I'm a sucker for an exhibitionist. One of the reasons I walk El Centro is for the eye candy, especially the ones who are literally letting it hang out.
On Facebook there is a certain class of girls who are always posting more provocative photos. Apparently the Colombia division of Facebook censorship is understaffed. However, most of these girls get reported as no better than average providers. That's been my experience with them. A rare few are worth a shot.
Same thing with the girls constantly messaging about how much they want to see me. The most aggressive ones tend to be the least fun.
Sometimes when I see one I like, I conduct a friendly interview, chit chat for a few minutes, and them politely blow them off by telling them I just ate, or give them some other excuse on purpose to see how they respond. The ones that get all pissed off that I don't go with them is a pretty good indicator that they might not be a good provider. Where as the ones that are cordial, polite, and it was nice meeting you, that's another story, and at that point I either go with them, or come back to them.You and I could probably disagree on anything. Which is good. I'm not learning anything new from guys who always agree with me. I knew you'd have better insight on Centro and I just learned that there's not much difference between dealing with street girls and Facebook girls.
PolloNegro
02-26-20, 20:47
Before any critics I have already RTFF and research this here with no success. I am a Canadian heading to Medellinin end March. I need a lot of cash for the weekend since I am getting there Friday night. I found out that I can wire myself via Xoom a PayPal service and picked up there in any Bancolombia. I am planning to pick it up Saturday morning. I am trying to find out if anybody here did this and if they were able to pick up the money without any problem using their passport? Bear in mind I was told with ATM is a limit of 300 $ for 2 days with my bank and that is why I am using this Xoom service.Bancolombia is closed on Saturday, try western union, be prepared to wait 30-60 minutes. Pollo negro is out!
Mojo Bandit
02-26-20, 23:51
Nice collection of girls, but it kind of seems as though your showing off your stable and perhaps bragging a bit about them as to knowing where to find them.I'll have to check myself on the bragging part. Since all I did to find them was look at FB pages, that's not much to brag about. And let's be honest, since most of these chicas have dozens of gringo friends, I don't think we can say they are "my" stable. I posted mostly faces because I was responding to the gent who said he has high standards. I was contrasting pretty latinas (in my opinion) with his Caucasian that he referenced. Personally I like a variety of women for different reasons. Sometimes it's all about the body, sometimes it's all in the face. Even then though there is for me a such thing as too skinny and too thick. But if she falls into the middle of that then yes, I am a sucker for a pretty face.
AdventureSeekr
02-26-20, 23:59
I'll have to check myself on the bragging part. Since all I did to find them was look at FB pages, that's not much to brag about. And let's be honest, since most of these chicas have dozens of gringo friends, I don't think we can say they are "my" stable. I posted mostly faces because I was responding to the gent who said he has high standards. I was contrasting pretty latinas (in my opinion) with his Caucasian that he referenced. Personally I like a variety of women for different reasons. Sometimes it's all about the body, sometimes it's all in the face. Even then though there is for me a such thing as too skinny and too thick. But if she falls into the middle of that then yes, I am a sucker for a pretty face.Check PM's please. Thanks.
LoverBoy1024
02-27-20, 00:20
These are incredible rates. Are these street girls you found in El Centro?They are street girls in Centro. However some might point out you can easily get a girl for 35000 half hour including hotel which is about $11 - so what I paid may or may not be "incredible rates".
I'll have to check myself on the bragging part. Since all I did to find them was look at FB pages, that's not much to brag about. And let's be honest, since most of these chicas have dozens of gringo friends, I don't think we can say they are "my" stable. I posted mostly faces because I was responding to the gent who said he has high standards. I was contrasting pretty latinas (in my opinion) with his Caucasian that he referenced. Personally I like a variety of women for different reasons. Sometimes it's all about the body, sometimes it's all in the face. Even then though there is for me a such thing as too skinny and too thick. But if she falls into the middle of that then yes, I am a sucker for a pretty face.So these than were just photos from their Fay Boo pages you posted, and not Chicas that you have been with?
Okay I understand now, a nice selection of Chica's for sure, and you could of taken credit for them being your "personal stock" and nobody would of known any different by the way your original post was written.
For those of you have been following the Coronavirus, it has been reported that Brazil has confirmed it's first case of the virus with it being the first one reported in South America.
Additionally, today the Colombian government has shut down the border with Venezuela over concerns regarding the virus.
And finally, and this not good news, the Salud del Valle Cauca has reported that 4 Colombians who have just arrived from Italy have the symptoms of the virus, yet this has yet to be confirmed by testing.
So it may turn out in the next few days that if these Colombians do have the Coronavirus, and no other cases are reported elsewhere in South America, that Colombia will be be at the forefront of all this for South America.
So what exactly does this mean for our hobby here, and those who spend a lot of time here. This is not good, and travel to and from the Country could possibly be shut down either by the Colombian government (Venezuela), the USA, and / or others.
I am curious as to what others think.
They are street girls in Centro. However some might point out you can easily get a girl for 35000 half hour including hotel which is about $11 - so what I paid may or may not be "incredible rates".I was just chatting w an amiguita en Medellin.
She works in P Lleras a couple nights a week.
Asks for 200 mil from gringos.
Sometimes gets it, almost always at least 150 mil.
From Colombianos she gets about 60 mil.
Lots of chicas in Lleras these days.
Unless she's one of the very few super hotties out there, one can probably easily be had for 100 mil, especially if you can jive with them, and even better without the G Translator, LOL.
It's not so hard, point to one of the hotels and hold up all ten fingers three times. They will take care of the rest. If you want to get phone numbers or have an extended session you would need to be able to communicate further.
I concur with your comments, and have some comments of my own. As having lots of experience with Sosua in years past, I can see how this poster Mongerloin was a bit perplexed on the El Centro street scene. Two totally different places for sure, and going from one to another can be difficult, especially when coming from Sosua where every available girl will come on to you, where as in El Centro you have to basically make the first move. The Sosua chicas have lots of experience dealing with gringos, in fact that is 100% of their clients, where as in Medellin it's the opposite, except for a hand-full of gringos. In other words, the clients in Medellin are are basically all locals, perhaps over 95% of them. So in this context, lots of the Chicas working in El Centro have limited experience with gringos, where it's the opposite in Sosua. In regards to who is working in El Centro, anyone standing around is working, and so are all of the girls walking around selling candy. There are of course some exceptions to this, but you have to ask yourself, why are these girls hanging around, what for?
As far as what to say these girls, as you have inferred that I am well schooled in this, it's really going to be a function of the mongers Spanish speaking skills. For those with limited Spanish speaking skills, it's going to be a challenge, but can be overcome if kept very simple as far as what is expected. One thing you eluded to in your post was regarding girls that approach you and staying away from them, in my experience it goes deeper than that. Besides the ones that come on to you, I have found that the girls that I have approached that within thirty seconds are telling you how good they are and pushing to go to the room are to be avoided as well.
Mr Enternational
02-27-20, 02:21
Not sure why you quoted me on this one. I don't look Colombian, unless someone mistakes me for a member of the 1984 Colombian National Basketball Team. Not the leading scorer, the one who tripped and lost the ball out of bounds and cost them the game.Your quote was to be read with the previous paragraph. I was pointing out how you said to walk around looking for chicks, not sit stagnant waiting for them to come to you.
Bancolombia is closed on Saturday, try western union, be prepared to wait 30-60 minutes. Pollo negro is out!In that case any Canadian here knows the exchange rate at the ATM and how much they charged for each transaction?
... Tried two ATM's but the fee was high and it wouldn't show me the rate it was offering, so I hit cancel, but the second ATM gave me the money anyway and ignored that cancel request.
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Total Day 1: 631,500 pesos. Bank was giving 3314 (calculated from actual withdrawals) so $190. One ATM I used recently showed that option offering their exchange rate. If you cancel, it should give you the money at the clearing house rate, which is always better. 3314 is not a good rate from an ATM. Did you figure the ATM fee when you calculated the rate? For reference, the ATM rate will be real close to the xe.com rate from two days prior to the transaction. I think the ATM rate changes around 8 pm. Since you took the money out Tuesday, you should have received about 3404 (Friday's rate).
BBVA, Davivienda, Banco Pichincha, and Scotiabank Colpatria ATM's do not have fees.
Mojo Bandit
02-27-20, 07:56
So these than were just photos from their Fay Boo pages you posted, and not Chicas that you have been with?
Okay I understand now, a nice selection of Chica's for sure, and you could of taken credit for them being your "personal stock" and nobody would of known any different by the way your original post was written.Just to be clear I did not say I had not been with any of them, but I have not yet to been with all of them. Two of them are not available on FB because that is not their mode of working, I met them by other means, one lives in Cali. I am betting that a number of guys who are reading recognize about four of them but are playing it smart enough to stay quiet. Yes they are FB photos, not photos I took. I rarely share those. Okay maybe just one. For inspiration. This one is thin, for all the Flaca lovers out there. But to all who read. Do not ask, because this one I really do keep to myself.
AdventureSeekr
02-27-20, 07:58
For those of you have been following the Coronavirus, it has been reported that Brazil has confirmed it's first case of the virus with it being the first one reported in South America.
Additionally, today the Colombian government has shut down the border with Venezuela over concerns regarding the virus.
And finally, and this not good news, the Salud del Valle Cauca has reported that 4 Colombians who have just arrived from Italy have the symptoms of the virus, yet this has yet to be confirmed by testing.
So it may turn out in the next few days that if these Colombians do have the Coronavirus, and no other cases are reported elsewhere in South America, that Colombia will be be at the forefront of all this for South America.
So what exactly does this mean for our hobby here, and those who spend a lot of time here. This is not good, and travel to and from the Country could possibly be shut down either by the Colombian government (Venezuela), the USA, and / or others.
I am curious as to what others think.Been following this closely and do not believe the quoted statistics what so ever. If you have a quarter of a brain and can do decent probability and math, logic says it is already spread further than disclosed or known and will continue to do so rapidly. I went back and forth about coming as I am here now and for 19 more days. Especially in this hobby where there is such a cross over of many different people from different areas, it's high risk. I expected Carnaval in Brazil to bring at least a few people in that are infected and did not know, seemed obvious with that many people.
My feeling is that worst case if I do get it, it takes 14 days or so for symptoms to appear and I'll be home by then. I also fully expect to get it one way or another, thinking it is avoidable at this point is simply foolish and unrealistic. If I were not here now, I would definitely not be booking a trip for a few weeks from now, that's for sure.
Luckily I stocked up on 3 months worth of supplies to return to as I fully anticipated what we are now seeing. The number of infected persons is maybe 100 x or greater than known for various reasons, one being lack of test kits or ability to test in underdeveloped nations, so I knew returning home could leave me in a situation where stores are empty. I live on an island that already has supply and inventory issues. Every place that has been hit with an outbreak has shut down everything, and supermarkets have gone bare within days. Not willing to take that chance, I recommend preparing now.
As I said, if I didn't already have this trip booked, I wouldn't be booking one and looking to come. Rome has seen 90% cancellations. Airlines are cancelling flights because too many people have cancelled. Tourism here is going to get hit hard just like anywhere else with an outbreak.
AdventureSeekr
02-27-20, 08:14
One ATM I used recently showed that option offering their exchange rate. If you cancel, it should give you the money at the clearing house rate, which is always better. 3314 is not a good rate from an ATM. Did you figure the ATM fee when you calculated the rate? For reference, the ATM rate will be real close to the xe.com rate from two days prior to the transaction. I think the ATM rate changes around 8 pm. Since you took the money out Tuesday, you should have received about 3404 (Friday's rate).
BBVA, Davivienda, Banco Pichincha, and Scotiabank Colpatria ATM's do not have fees.OK, just calculated each withdrawal individually.
ATM at airport Servibanca (that I wanted to cancel and did not work 14,500 fee) 200,000 withdrawn - 3168 cop per 1 USD.
ATM at Davivienda (did have 14,500 fee. At least that is what the screen said) 400,000 withdrawn - 3398 cop per 1 USD.
ATM at Carulla (says Bcol on bank charge 18 k fee) 600,000 withdrawn - 3298 cop per 1 USD.
The fee's will be returned from Schwab, and it is possible they are being calculated into these amounts but my bank is not showing the fee as a separate charge so I don't know for sure. If I remove 14,500 (about $4) from the first withdrawal, it brings the rate up to 3989 cop to usd. If I remove 18 k ($5) from the Carulla withdrawal, the rate goes up to 3409 cop to usd. So I am going to assume it is the fee that is lowering the rate.
This was all withdrawn within about a 3 hour window on the same day.
AdventureSeekr
02-27-20, 08:39
Went to Monterrey Mall to get a local simcard, finally got that squared away. 20 days, 850 mb of data and free Facebook and Whatsapp, 20 k pesos. What? Insanely cheap.
Walked over the Exito to get some more items and was floored by how nice and modern it is. Plus it is full of both tropical and mediterranean fruits and vegetables. Huge seafood and meat counters. Very impressed. Incredible abundance here. I bought fresh fruits, frozen fruit for smoothies, large water bottles, large fresh OJ, bags of chips, bacon, more more more, total was 73,000 pesos or $21. Crazy.
Head back to the Airbnb to put everything away and am feeling worn out. No sleep Monday, 4 hours Tuesday, have a date coming so decide to chill and rest. Order Kebab House, honestly not that great but decent enough. Combo platter delivered with tip for under $6. This place is blowing my mind.
Bullshit around, watch some TV, lay by the pool and kill time. Confirm date with Isabela, don't really talk any details other than how long she will stay (3-4 hrs) and how much, 200 k+ 50 k for taxi. She's coming from Bello.
She arrives, I head downstairs to meet her and she is super cute and sexy. Dressed like she's going out on a date to a nice restaurant, classy. Easy to talk to, we share a couple drinks and head to the bed. Full on make out session, goes on for awhile and ease into it remembering we have plenty of time. She slowly makes her way to BBBJ and gives attention to all the right places. I'm watching thinking this is unreal. Plus she has gorgeous seductive eyes and gives me an intense look every so often while she's just going at it. She takes her time, starts slow, and continues to build. Honestly, I was thinking she must be getting tired for how long this has been going on for but I realize as she continues to build speed and pressure slowly that she is doing this on purpose. She moves into a much more intense mode and is just staring right into my eyes while sucking me like a shopvac. Leg shaking CIM and thinking she is going to pull away to clean up, nope, it is gone and she continues to lick and lightly caress and suck gently. WOW. At that point, the whole experience was worth it if nothing else had happened. 10/10.
We have another drink while looking for food on Rappi. My Spanish is okay, I can understand a lot but it is difficult for me to express myself in depth. I can speak and explain basics. So we can talk, but there is some g-translate happening at the same time. Doesn't kill the vibe and of course it would be even better without it, but it can be done without diminishing the time together. Order two pizzas from Vulcana, turn on a movie, food arrives, we eat, finish the movie, half talking and cuddling. Then round two. More intense kissing, caressing, foreplay and we move through a variety of positions before I finish in missionary intensely. This girl is great, chill, friendly, sweet, head game is top notch, great sex. We're both tired and she debates if she should just stay as it was almost 2 am, I tell her either way is fine with me but I'm going to bed, I'm exhausted. She has school tomorrow so decides to head home. 5 hours together, super sexy, fun time, great chemistry. Give her 280 k and told her we will see each other soon, and for sure, we will.
It's not so hard, point to one of the hotels and hold up all ten fingers three times. They will take care of the rest. If you want to get phone numbers or have an extended session you would need to be able to communicate further.I frequently mention the advantages of having Spanish speaking skills in EL Centro, but hadn't thought communicating with some of the deaf, and deaf mute girls that work the streets as well. Sounds like perhaps you have a done a few of them being a street rat? There was a cute deaf / mute that used to work the streets a long time ago that I tried once and she was good. So I guess now with this admission, I have reached a new low as a bottom feeder!
Regardless, I have no idea how you say 30 K in sign language, and / or describe other specific services you might want, but if ten fingers three times, short of waving 30 K and pointing to the room doesn't work, than I don't know what will in El Centro.
I've actually been to Brazil but not for P4P. I did an exchange in Fortaleza when I was 17 (and ended up with a 23 girlfriend while I was there). I'll have to go back some time. I wish they would relax the Visa requirements for the US. Personally I had my best PSE experiences in Thailand at oilies. Those girls took it as a challenge to make my cum as many times as possible, deep throat me, and all did anal. I didn't even bother with gogo's bars or beer halls due to my size. Funnily enough one of my favorite oily girls had more trouble giving me vaginal than anal.Actually according the the stedep site Brasil now lists the us as "visa-exempt" status as of last year. I'm guessing the current govt is pushing for more tourist friendly economy.
Above Average
02-27-20, 15:03
BBVA, Davivienda, Banco Pichincha, and Scotiabank Colpatria ATM's do not have fees.As a Canadian I can attest that BBVA and Banco Pichincha do not charge fees and give reasonable exchange rates. Ironically I can't use the Scotiabank ATMs here. I avoid Davivienda but I can't remember if its due to fees or a bad exchange rate.
Using ATMs here has been really frustrating and I now hate Bancolombia with a passion. High fees and a crappy exchange rate? Fuck that.
For those of you have been following the Coronavirus, it has been reported that Brazil has confirmed it's first case of the virus with it being the first one reported in South America.
Additionally, today the Colombian government has shut down the border with Venezuela over concerns regarding the virus.
And finally, and this not good news, the Salud del Valle Cauca has reported that 4 Colombians who have just arrived from Italy have the symptoms of the virus, yet this has yet to be confirmed by testing.
So it may turn out in the next few days that if these Colombians do have the Coronavirus, and no other cases are reported elsewhere in South America, that Colombia will be be at the forefront of all this for South America.
So what exactly does this mean for our hobby here, and those who spend a lot of time here. This is not good, and travel to and from the Country could possibly be shut down either by the Colombian government (Venezuela), the USA, and / or others.
I am curious as to what others think.According to the news, Brasil was the first country to report the coronavirus in South America.
Been following this closely and do not believe the quoted statistics what so ever. If you have a quarter of a brain and can do decent probability and math, logic says it is already spread further than disclosed or known and will continue to do so rapidly. I went back and forth about coming as I am here now and for 19 more days. Especially in this hobby where there is such a cross over of many different people from different areas, it's high risk. I expected Carnaval in Brazil to bring at least a few people in that are infected and did not know, seemed obvious with that many people.
My feeling is that worst case if I do get it, it takes 14 days or so for symptoms to appear and I'll be home by then. I also fully expect to get it one way or another, thinking it is avoidable at this point is simply foolish and unrealistic. If I were not here now, I would definitely not be booking a trip for a few weeks from now, that's for sure.
Luckily I stocked up on 3 months worth of supplies to return to as I fully anticipated what we are now seeing. The number of infected persons is maybe 100 x or greater than known for various reasons, one being lack of test kits or ability to test in underdeveloped nations, so I knew returning home could leave me in a situation where stores are empty. I live on an island that already has supply and inventory issues. Every place that has been hit with an outbreak has shut down everything, and supermarkets have gone bare within days. Not willing to take that chance, I recommend preparing now.
As I said, if I didn't already have this trip booked, I wouldn't be booking one and looking to come. Rome has seen 90% cancellations. Airlines are cancelling flights because too many people have cancelled. Tourism here is going to get hit hard just like anywhere else with an outbreak.It's all kind of scary, with the worst part being that in my opinion the USA is hardly prepared.
If there is an outbreak here in Colombia, which seems likely, I would be concerned about being able to leave. I'm not sure if I would want to be stuck here and getting sick as a foreigner versus being in the USA, but who knows what it might be like in the USA as well.
SamPeter71
02-27-20, 17:42
Definitely bad news for mongering scene. I have trip coming up to Bogota in a month.
For those of you have been following the Coronavirus, it has been reported that Brazil has confirmed it's first case of the virus with it being the first one reported in South America.
Additionally, today the Colombian government has shut down the border with Venezuela over concerns regarding the virus.
And finally, and this not good news, the Salud del Valle Cauca has reported that 4 Colombians who have just arrived from Italy have the symptoms of the virus, yet this has yet to be confirmed by testing.
So it may turn out in the next few days that if these Colombians do have the Coronavirus, and no other cases are reported elsewhere in South America, that Colombia will be be at the forefront of all this for South America.
So what exactly does this mean for our hobby here, and those who spend a lot of time here. This is not good, and travel to and from the Country could possibly be shut down either by the Colombian government (Venezuela), the USA, and / or others.
I am curious as to what others think.
Been following this closely and do not believe the quoted statistics what so ever. If you have a quarter of a brain and can do decent probability and math, logic says it is already spread further than disclosed or known and will continue to do so rapidly. I went back and forth about coming as I am here now and for 19 more days. Especially in this hobby where there is such a cross over of many different people from different areas, it's high risk. I expected Carnaval in Brazil to bring at least a few people in that are infected and did not know, seemed obvious with that many people.
My feeling is that worst case if I do get it, it takes 14 days or so for symptoms to appear and I'll be home by then. I also fully expect to get it one way or another, thinking it is avoidable at this point is simply foolish and unrealistic. If I were not here now, I would definitely not be booking a trip for a few weeks from now, that's for sure.
Luckily I stocked up on 3 months worth of supplies to return to as I fully anticipated what we are now seeing. The number of infected persons is maybe 100 x or greater than known for various reasons, one being lack of test kits or ability to test in underdeveloped nations, so I knew returning home could leave me in a situation where stores are empty. I live on an island that already has supply and inventory issues. Every place that has been hit with an outbreak has shut down everything, and supermarkets have gone bare within days. Not willing to take that chance, I recommend preparing now..I'm not concerned. I'll get to that in a minute. You're dead on about the spread being wider than reported, or even feared. I suspect we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
The US just put Pence in charge of the effort to protect against the virus. A guy who believes science is a satanic hoax, who doesn't believe smoking poses any health risk and who fueled an HIV outbreak in Indiana while governor. So we're well prepared here. Trump is screaming that it's all a hoax to hurt his reelection chances. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Twitter isn't going to stop the disease.
But I'm not concerned. There will be some chaos, panic, economic disruption. All the fun stuff. Then we'll move on and things will return to whatever is considered normal. Getting worried about it won't change anything.
KetoAndKettle
02-27-20, 19:07
I'm wondering if in fact, Colombia did block out USA Incoming flights. That Spirit would give you a refund?
Probably not, since it's not their fault, wasn't their equipment, etc.
FortuneWaffers
02-27-20, 19:21
According to the news, Brasil was the first country to report the coronavirus in South America.I am booked to fly in from JFK during the 3rd week of April, Imma be Upset if my trip gets canned. I have not booked lodging yet since this corona epidemic started.
Above Average
02-27-20, 22:01
So I did a little but more exploring of the atms and currency exchanges and I've split them into 3 different tiers. This is regarding my Canadian Bank but I assume it's pretty similar for Americans. As of now the Canadian dollar is worth about 2600 COP.
A-Tier.
Banco Pinchincha BBVA Davivienda.
Pinchincha and BBVA both give about 2500 COP per CDN and Davivienda gives about 2450. I've ranked them like this because BBVA only allows smaller transactions and that makes a difference if you're paying international ATM fees with your bank.
Be-Tier.
Currency exchanges.
I've only checked out a few currency exchanges but they were all highly rated. The best rate I saw was 2370 COP to CDN.
Shit-Tier.
Banco Columbia and all other major banks.
You want me to pay 18000 COP to withdraw at a rate of 2350 COP to CDN? Fuck off.
On another note I've been careful to check how much money the vendors give me back in change to make sure I'm not getting short changed. Not once has somebody tried to short-change me but on three occasions they have accidentally given me back too much change (usually 10000 COP over).
Tried two ATM's but the fee was high and it wouldn't show me the rate it was offering- If the ATM shows you the exchange rate option, that option is going to be a rip off rate. I always assumed it was only 3.5% (just like the credit card); it might be a lot more. In Angeles, the displayed exchange rate was approximately 17% worst.
- Don't understand people's complaint about getting a lousy exchange rate (for normal ATM withdrawals). I always got the same inter bank rate on every ATM in the world. Maybe people are forgetting to calculate their bank's or the ATM charges. I believe sometimes the ATM fee is not asked nor stated on the receipt, so people are not using the correct equation. They think the ATM is free, but it is not. I guess the reverse can be true. I'm assuming the ATM charges, and I'm the one using the incorrect equation. But I can't believe my bank would accept a lousy exchange rate. Also, maybe it's different for non-US non-Schwab ATM cards.
If I remove 14,500 (about $4) from the first withdrawal, it brings the rate up to 3989 copIt seems you made a mistake in your equation. Current US / COP Buy exchange rate is approximately 3435. I believe the best it has ever been was approximately 3500.
For the correct equation, you need to add the 14,500 to your withdrawal. In your example, it will be 214,500 / (amount charged on Schwab) = Exchange rate.
The fee's will be returned from Schwab, and it is possible they are being calculated into these amounts but my bank is not showing the fee as a separate charge so I don't know for sure.For Schwab, the foreign ATM charges are credited to your account at the end of the month. They are lumped together without any additional info. I believe you have to call customer service to get the detailed info.
AdventureSeekr
02-28-20, 00:54
For Schwab, the foreign ATM charges are credited to your account at the end of the month. They are lumped together without any additional info. I believe you have to call customer service to get the detailed info.This explains it, thank you. Took out more today - 3425 cop to usd, rate has improved slightly since 2 days ago. Schwab works on every ATM that I've tried for those who have bank / card issues here.
OK, just calculated each withdrawal individually.
ATM at airport Servibanca (that I wanted to cancel and did not work 14,500 fee) 200,000 withdrawn - 3168 cop per 1 USD.
ATM at Davivienda (did have 14,500 fee. At least that is what the screen said) 400,000 withdrawn - 3398 cop per 1 USD.
ATM at Carulla (says Bcol on bank charge 18 k fee) 600,000 withdrawn - 3298 cop per 1 USD.
The fee's will be returned from Schwab, and it is possible they are being calculated into these amounts but my bank is not showing the fee as a separate charge so I don't know for sure. If I remove 14,500 (about $4) from the first withdrawal, it brings the rate up to 3989 cop to usd. If I remove 18 k ($5) from the Carulla withdrawal, the rate goes up to 3409 cop to usd. So I am going to assume it is the fee that is lowering the rate.
This was all withdrawn within about a 3 hour window on the same day.I have never had Schwab show the fees separate, only at the end of the month when they refund the fees all in one lump sum. I have been using Davivienda for years and have never been charged a fee. When the screen has the question about if I want to see the charge, I always select NO, so maybe it would show a charge if I selected YES. Either way, I don't think they charge anything.
I'm not sure how you are calculating the exchange rate. I have always received almost the same rate at different banks, within less than 1 cent on the dollar. You know what Schwab has deducted from your account, so you need to take the amount you received plus the ATM charge to calculate the exchange rate.
Update: Sorry I stated some of the same stuff Greenbud had already posted. I started my response a couple of hours ago - got sidetracked.
ChuchoLoco
02-28-20, 02:51
According to the news, Brasil was the first country to report the coronavirus in South America.My friend, a Paisa and just a friend now, says 4 cases in Colombia but nobody seems to be worried now. Also says not much on the news but I don't think she watches much news.
Personally, I'd try to stay informed. Lots of viruses love the tropics and lots more person to person contact there too. Don't panic but do keep your guard up.
PunkedLife
02-28-20, 02:59
You better watch that shit. A few years ago I went to one of my favorite restaurants in Lima with this chick I was fucking. A couple of days later I told my girlfriend that I just got into town and took her to the same restaurant. The waitress ratted me out.Why the fuck would she rat you out. That type of shit will get a ***** hurt she fuck with wrong person.
Why the fuck would she rat you out. That type of shit will get a ***** hurt she fuck with wrong person.I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume the dumb wasn't privy to Me. E's deception. He probably didn't take her aside and say "listen. This girl is just someone I'm fucking. I'll be back in a few nights with my real Lima girlfriend. She doesn't know I'm already in Lima. I'd really appreciate it if you would pretend you have.
AdventureSeekr
02-28-20, 06:04
I've been trying to sleep in but my body just wakes up at 7 am every day on the dot. Drives me nuts. Got up early, made a big breakfast. Omelette, bacon, watermelon, pineapple, OJ, smoothie, its amazing how well you can eat here for like $2.
Go up to the pool and hang in the sun for an hour but the air quality seemed really bad today and the sun was super strong, so decided to mess around online for a couple of hours inside. Hit the ATM, found a place for lunch, around the corner is place called WOK. Everything is $5-8. Very good food, and great lunch spot if you're staying nearby, some of the other places have been decent but this I will return to and try other items.
Not sure what to do with the day and decide to check out Plaza Minorista. I take an uber over because I'm lazy and don't feel like learning the metro system yet. Turns out my uber driver needed to go there today too, kid around 20 I assume and is cool, tells me which spots he likes for fruit and then goes to do his thing.
I check out some shoes which I assume must be fakes because they were selling $60 Vans sneakers for $14 and I didn't even haggle yet, so maybe you can get them for $10-12, but they were pretty solid, I couldn't tell if they were fake, stolen or real honestly. Didn't have my size in the color I wanted and heading to El Centro tomorrow so figured I'll just wait.
Take my time, cruise the entire Plaza for a couple of hours, grab a ton of stuff, mangoes, tomatoes, onions, potatoes, passion fruits, a medium size package of strawberries. Must have been 8-9 lbs of fruits and veg - $3!
Come back to the airbnb and kick it for a couple of hours, nail down details with Karina, and order from wings from Sport Wings. I'm adding a lot of food details here because its not mentioned much and I really wish I had a better idea of what's worthwhile. I hope others are finding this useful. In any case, lots of restaurants are always running specials on Rappi so that's cool. 18 wings, 3 different kinds / sauces, delivered for $9, and they're pretty damn good. Def would order again, hit the spot.
Only ate a few as they arrived 30 minutes before Karina was arriving. Super sweet girl and absolutely gorgeous. I look for multiple things and I'm into flaca's, not crazy skinny, but fit and toned. She's probably 5'4', her face is a 10 to me, just beautiful, great body and fantastic butt, it is enhanced, and a little big for her small frame but not too big, kind of just like damn that's a nice big butt. Great shape to it too.
We start off sharing a drink and chatting for 30 minutes, move to the bedroom and make out briefly. Solid BBBJ, very sensual and she is just exotic naturally so I'm rock solid. Move through a handful of positions and decide its time to break out the vibrator, she loves it. We talked earlier about 2 C (tussi) and herb and she said she loves both so after round 1, I ask if she wants to smoke (mind you at this point, we're already past the agreed upon amount of time) but she seems to have let that go. We smoke, get hungry, she says she wants wings LOL well funny enough there are wings sitting right on the counter, so we eat most of them, head back to the bed for round 2 and this time the GFE really came out. Also a riding champion, but she tires fast LOL Very sweet girl, open, sharing lots of photos and stories about her life here, some of her travels. We are 3 hours in when she only agreed to 1. 5 and says she needs to get back to Bello, she doesn't like getting there late as its not very safe. We're all done anyway so totally cool with me, I wanted tonight to be an earlier one too. We agree to see each other again and we definitely will, super fun time. Give her 300 k.
Side note: yes I do have a list of chicas that will accept 150 k, and they will stay for a couple hours but they are, let's say a be- to be, maybe be+. The A and A+ chicas will not accept 150 k. 200 k plus taxi is the standard ask. If I want oral natural, or more time, or two pops, they are trying to tack on extra for each thing. After some back and forth, I just say, I'm offering 250 k for everything, I don't want to be rushed, let's eat, drink and have a good evening together and so far they all accept that proposal. I have tipped for what I felt was them going above and beyond what we agreed to. Because I plan to see them again, I think this is good judgement.
Well, I don't know if I need to even say this, but I love Medellin.
AdventureSeekr
02-28-20, 06:10
It's all kind of scary, with the worst part being that in my opinion the USA is hardly prepared.
If there is an outbreak here in Colombia, which seems likely, I would be concerned about being able to leave. I'm not sure if I would want to be stuck here and getting sick as a foreigner versus being in the USA, but who knows what it might be like in the USA as well.Yes, being stuck here was my main concern. With a large scale outbreak, whether in Colombia or USA, there just are not enough ICU beds, so forget about getting care. It's highly unlikely. For me, I just know I would be more comfortable being sick in my own home, and I have animals with a petsitter right now. I'd much prefer to be there to know they are cared for, because if the sitter gets sick, that could pose an issue.
I was thinking of coming back for 4 weeks in mid April as I have a close friend planning to come at that time. But now, I decided I'm not going to book that and I don't think he is either actually.
AdventureSeekr
02-28-20, 06:18
I'm not concerned. I'll get to that in a minute. You're dead on about the spread being wider than reported, or even feared. I suspect we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
The US just put Pence in charge of the effort to protect against the virus. A guy who believes science is a satanic hoax, who doesn't believe smoking poses any health risk and who fueled an HIV outbreak in Indiana while governor. So we're well prepared here. Trump is screaming that it's all a hoax to hurt his reelection chances. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Twitter isn't going to stop the disease.
But I'm not concerned. There will be some chaos, panic, economic disruption. All the fun stuff. Then we'll move on and things will return to whatever is considered normal. Getting worried about it won't change anything.It's going to be a real mess for all the reasons stated. The way the US is handling this situation is shameful and hard to believe, but then, not really all that surprising when you think about it. It's funny on some level because it is so unbelievably stupid but really, it's totally fucked up and it's going to cost a lot of lives and a lot of dollars.
AdventureSeekr
02-28-20, 06:22
I have never had Schwab show the fees separate, only at the end of the month when they refund the fees all in one lump sum. I have been using Davivienda for years and have never been charged a fee. When the screen has the question about if I want to see the charge, I always select NO, so maybe it would show a charge if I selected YES. Either way, I don't think they charge anything.
I'm not sure how you are calculating the exchange rate. I have always received almost the same rate at different banks, within less than 1 cent on the dollar. You know what Schwab has deducted from your account, so you need to take the amount you received plus the ATM charge to calculate the exchange rate.
Update: Sorry I stated some of the same stuff Greenbud had already posted. I started my response a couple of hours ago - got sidetracked.Just taking the total withdrawal amount, 200 k, 400 k, etc. And dividing it by the dollars removed from my account. Pretty simple. The result across different ATMS is not the same even when taking the fee into account. I was wrong about Davivienda having a fee, they do not. Today, I clicked YES to see the fee and it said "No disponible" and the rate came to 3425 today so it is no fee.
Yes, being stuck here was my main concern..........What do you guys mean by being stuck in Colombia? If you are an American citizen you cannot be refused entry into your country.
By airlines refusing you to boarding if you are obviously sick, which they totally can do. Just hasn't gotten there yet in Colombia. Is starting to happen in Asia and Middle east and some cities in EU.
What do you guys mean by being stuck in Colombia? If you are an American citizen you cannot be refused entry into your country..
https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=COP&view=10Y
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8055401/Coronavirus-1-000-times-infectious-SARS-scientists-warn.html
I'm not concerned. I'll get to that in a minute. You're dead on about the spread being wider than reported, or even feared. I suspect we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
The US just put Pence in charge of the effort to protect against the virus. A guy who believes science is a satanic hoax, who doesn't believe smoking poses any health risk and who fueled an HIV outbreak in Indiana while governor. So we're well prepared here. Trump is screaming that it's all a hoax to hurt his reelection chances. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Twitter isn't going to stop the disease.
But I'm not concerned. There will be some chaos, panic, economic disruption. All the fun stuff. Then we'll move on and things will return to whatever is considered normal. Getting worried about it won't change anything.Agree with your first paragraph (time will tell) and your last paragraph, the rest is just more political trash that comes from both sides, that really does no good for anyone.
What do you guys mean by being stuck in Colombia? If you are an American citizen you cannot be refused entry into your country.Think about quarantine, it can easily add up then you lost a month.
one being lack of test kits or ability to test in underdeveloped nationsIt has been reported in the news that US does not have working test kits until a few days ago. Another problem is that it is expensive for many to see a doctor in US.
LoverBoy1024
02-28-20, 18:59
After she left I shut off the music on the boom box and laid on the bed. My mind went over the events that had led to this point. I was chasing her. I had put myself in a vulnerable position by paying first. As if to demonstrate her dominance she had even engaged in S&M. She put herself in a dominant position and made me her slave.
WhatsApp chimed. "Vale Amor mil gracias ya llegamos," she wrote. She was updating me on her progress. They had arrived. I felt a little hopeful. She had not immediately run off, but was still sending me texts. Maybe she was telling the truth and soon would be back in my arms. I responded "OK" and set the phone down on the bed.
I thought of her youthful beauty. Her reddish brown hair falling around her shoulders as she looked at me with those big brown eyes. Her full lips inviting my kiss. The way that we were together this afternoon. It all excited me. She was coming back!
WhatsApp chimed. She was on her way back with her cousin. She was waiting on the train to leave. Just four stops and she would be here.
"What?" I thought! She said she was going to help her cousin get an apartment and then return. I told her I didn't want her cousin here. Now she was going to bring her back anyway? Was this some trick of Google Translate? Or is she simply continuing her well thought out plan to separate me from my money? Not knowing what else I could do I again responded "OK".
I began to think of the possibilities. First the hotel may not let her cousin in the room. I know my hotel does not allow unregistered guests unless you pay. But if she is allowed in I wasn't going to pay for a threesome. Maybe she could be a waiter on us and fetch things for us. Maybe she would see us in bed and be so turned on she would jump in anyway. But I had no intention or means to pay for a threesome. All my money was gone by now. I had nothing in my room at the Nutibara hotel and I surely wasn't going to look for an ATM at this time of the night.
WhatsApp chimed again. "Pacientes Que Pena contigo" she wrote. "Llegue corremos para Donde Estas". I copied and translated her text. She was asking me to be patient, but then she admonished me by adding "shame on you"? She really does see me as her slave, I thought. And then she says that they have arrived and she promises to run to where I am waiting. Again I responded "OK" and placed the phone back on the bed beside me.
I continued to think about everything. My mind went over it again and again. I remembered how she began the night by drinking heavily and encouraging me to drink. I was foolish to suggest we get dope, because it surely was making me into a dope. What was that tearful story about someone being murdered? A true story or a practiced manipulation?
WhatsApp chimed again. They were at the hotel. I began to anticipate their imminent knock on the door. I thought about what I would do when they arrived. I waited. And when the knock wasn't immediate and there was no text I realized that they must be registering her cousin at the front desk.
Finally, the knock on the door came. I got up and opened the door to the room to let them in. In she came and her cousin after her. I noticed that her cousin was a few inches taller than her but had similar facial features.
As I closed the door and turned to them she encouraged her cousin to introduce herself to me. As she spoke her name and held out her hand my mind was unable to focus on what she said. Her name fell into the space between us and was gone.
They both began settling in. My girlfriend and her cousin began unloading their things on the table as well as on the chair beside it. The cousin grabbed a marijuana cigarette from the table and lit it.
My girlfriend told me that I must pay the reception now 50 k for her cousin to stay. Not unexpected, I thought, but I don't have the money. I told her "I am very sorry, but I don't have any money; your cousin will need to leave. " My girlfriend indicated that this was not a possibility.
I told her, "you have all my money. You pay and I will reimburse you in the morning," I offered. I was still hanging onto the idea I could get a lame threesome for free. But she would have none of it. She even sounded a little angry when she insisted "We will go right now to your hotel and get the money. ".
Her cousin reached out to me and tried to sooth the situation while tempting me with her touch. As she took a drag on the joint, her hand lingered on my body. She exhaled and said "I will only ask 250 k. ".
I thought to myself "if she is unwilling to front the money for her cousin to stay here, what does this say about her motives? It is her cousin after all and if she really needs a place to stay, she should be willing to pay the money; especially since I offered to reimburse her. " I thought of a counter offer to test my theory. If she is being truthful about her cousin needing a place to stay then I will give her an ultimatum.
"I am not feeling well and it is late," I said. "You need to pay the money for your cousin to stay," I insisted. "If you don't want to do that, you can leave," I threatened. My girlfriend's demeanor brightened and she repeated my threat as a question "I can leave?
"Yes".
And with that she began gathering up their belongings from the table. My girlfriend dropped a mirror in her haste to gather their things and it broke in half on the floor. She looked up at her cousin in guilt. Her cousin; seemingly oblivious to the loss, grabbed a beer from the table. As they left her cousin continued to smoke the joint. Soon I was closing the door behind them as they left.
"Audios" I said.
Part 5 of a multi-part post.
Mr Enternational
02-28-20, 19:57
It's going to be a real mess for all the reasons stated. The way the US is handling this situation is shameful and hard to believe, How should they be handling it?
How should they be handling it?1. Let the CDC speak and listen to them.
2. Prepare for the worst case scenario, rather than downplay the risks.
3. Place someone in charge with either experience in infectious disease control or experience managing multi-national emergency response efforts.
The current emphasis seems to be focused on protecting the stock markets.
I surely wasn't going to look for an ATM at this time of the night.Great writing! There is an ATM on the first floor in the back at your hotel.
After she left I shut off the music on the boom box and laid on the bed. My mind went over the events that had led to this point. I was chasing her. I had put myself in a vulnerable position by paying first. As if to demonstrate her dominance she had even engaged in S&M. She put herself in a dominant position and made me her slave.
WhatsApp chimed. "Vale Amor mil gracias ya llegamos," she wrote. She was updating me on her progress. They had arrived. I felt a little hopeful. She had not immediately run off, but was still sending me texts. Maybe she was telling the truth and soon would be back in my arms. I responded "OK" and set the phone down on the bed.
I thought of her youthful beauty. Her reddish brown hair falling around her shoulders as she looked at me with those big brown eyes. Her full lips inviting my kiss. The way that we were together this afternoon. It all excited me. She was coming back!
.Ooooh the drama, LOL.
Great story telling and writing, have to give you that.
Can't help thinking and knowing that I would have dumped her looooong ago!
Way to many other chicas out there to put up with that baloooooooooney bologna!
Above Average
02-28-20, 23:54
So while all of you are worried about corona virus I wanted to remind you that there are other viruses going around that you are much more likely to catch. I thought I caught a bad case of food poisoning last night but after I talked to the receptionist at the hotel she told me she had the stomach flu 3 days ago and when she went to the hospital it was packed full of people suffering from the same thing. Sounds like there could be a minor epidemic of Norovirus going around. (It doesn't matter if it's Norovirus, I still can't look at Chicharron without felling ill).
If you're going to be in Colombia I recommend stocking up on oil of oregano (with a high carvacrol content) and activated carbon tablets. They're kinda hard to find here but they work well for both stomach flu and food poisoning, and the anti-viral properties of carvacrol are good at fighting all sorts of diseases including the common cold.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 00:17
Great writing! There is an ATM on the first floor in the back at your hotel.But would you have gone to get 300 k for the cousin? I couldn't help but think that was just the beginning of what they had planned. What other things could they think of to get my money? Infinite possibilities! Anyway the ATM at the hotel charges fees I think.
AdventureSeekr
02-29-20, 00:56
But would you have gone to get 300 k for the cousin? I couldn't help but think that was just the beginning of what they had planned. What other things could they think of to get my money? Infinite possibilities! Anyway the ATM at the hotel charges fees I think.100% you should have cut your losses hours ago. It's amazing it went as far as it did but now you know. Any red flags or bullshit is an automatic goodbye. And yea, if you got that 300 k for the cousin, I assure you it wouldn't have been the last money they would get out of you and you would still have ended up receiving nothing for it. I'm glad you finally stood your ground and ended this.
But would you have gone to get 300 k for the cousin? I couldn't help but think that was just the beginning of what they had planned. What other things could they think of to get my money? Infinite possibilities! Anyway the ATM at the hotel charges fees I think.It is not related to your post, and I am not suggesting what you could have done otherwise. It is just information that I think maybe useful in the future. It's a Bancolombia ATM.
How should they be handling it?For those of us from the USA, we were told this week by the "Wizard of Oz", that the Corona-Virus is just like the flu, go wash your hands, and have another beer.
I don't ever recall people in the past 50 years in HazMat attire wearing Tyvek suits and respirators tending to patients with the flu, let alone Cities as large as LOS Angeles or New York being shut down by the Military.
So is it just like the flu as we have been told to assume, I don't think so, and I am not a scientist, but putting a "Holy Roller" in charge of this mess doesn't make any sense to me at all.
100% you should have cut your losses hours ago. It's amazing it went as far as it did but now you know. Any red flags or bullshit is an automatic goodbye. And yea, if you got that 300 k for the cousin, I assure you it wouldn't have been the last money they would get out of you and you would still have ended up receiving nothing for it. I'm glad you finally stood your ground and ended this.In case you didn't know, this has all been a fictional tale by a creative writer. He has had everyone hood winked from the get go, including me, and it's been truly entertaining. Stay tuned for the next chapter.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 03:37
I laid on the bed after they had gone. For a long while I didn't have the strength to get up. I wondered why I didn't ask for the money I gave her. I thought about how I had just spent a couple day's budget on this fiasco. But mostly I just was just paralyzed by the beer and the weed.
After maybe an hour I got up and started packing the things that remained behind. The avocado, the remaining beer. The condoms seemed to mock me as I stuffed them in my backpack. And then I found the worn out bottle opener that my girlfriend forgot sitting on the table. "AGUILA" was outlined in a white stamp on the blue aluminum key.
These bottle openers are often called "church keys" and the caps on the bottles are referred to as "crown corks". In a way this church key appropriately seems to be the most valuable thing I got from this encounter. It in it's self is not valuable at all. Only the memory is valuable.
I will proudly add this church key to my inventory on future trips. Maybe it will be the subject of a fabled story over a beer. "Always pay first!" will be the lesson of my sermon. But more likely its simple presence will be a constant reminder of this experience for me.
A guy is not looking for "just sex" but epic sex. Sex that he cannot get at home. Sex that he could not ask of anyone but a "professional". Sex that is not attached to commitment. Sex with women that are otherwise out of his league. Sex on a short time schedule that would not be available without money. Sex from a variety of women; shapes, sizes, colors and personalities. There are many reasons to trade money for sex and this list may just scratch the surface.
She gave me an experience that I have never had before. Nobody has ever treated me as their slave. Nobody has ever sat on my face, choked me or slapped me. This was a truly unique experience for me. And I will always remember it because of my blue "AGUILA" church key.
I put the key in my backpack and headed for the door. I stopped at the front desk and indicated that I would be checking out. And soon I was out on the street making my way back to the Nutibara hotel.
Part 6 or a multi-part post.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 04:16
"Always pay first!" will be the lesson of my sermon.LOL.
"Always pay AFTER!" will be the lesson of my sermon.
LOL.
"Always pay AFTER!" will be the lesson of my sermon.And cut your losses.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 04:50
And cut your losses.I have been helping a couple bar girls I met in Angeles City since November 2013. They have scammed me before. They have met guys and started families. And I still send them a couple hundred a month for their kids.
Why? Firstly I don't have kids of my own. Actually I see these girls as my adopted children and their kids are my grandchildren. And I like getting pictures of my grand kids. Their first day at school. A happy birthday. I like it a lot.
But why send money to someone who is not truthful? I have learned over the years that money is freedom. Sometimes money is freedom to tell the truth. And these girls don't always feel that they have the freedom to tell the truth.
Sometimes if you have the freedom; overlooking the scam is the right call. They may not be telling you the real reason they need the money; but they do need the money. I assure you that these girls do not always prefer to rip you off. They might just not feel they have the freedom to tell the truth. Over the years I have built a good relationship with my adopted daughters and I have received a huge amount of satisfaction from seeing my grandchildren get a happy home to grow up in.
Do I still get a questionable ask for money? Yes. But I have the freedom to look beyond the lie and ask "what's going on? How can I help?" I understand that not everyone has the freedom and privilege that I have.
But in this case this girl seems to be a professional rip-off artist. She enjoys it. Since this meeting she has reached out to me to try to convince me that she is a good person. She offered to make up the hours I paid for. She offered video sex. I am just not going there!
Mojo Bandit
02-29-20, 05:17
1. Let the CDC speak and listen to them.
2. Prepare for the worst case scenario, rather than downplay the risks.
3. Place someone in charge with either experience in infectious disease control or experience managing multi-national emergency response efforts.
The current emphasis seems to be focused on protecting the stock markets.I agree with 1,2 and 3.
4 should be putting a billion dollars on the table and saying the first Pharmo company that develops the vaccine wins.
And seriously though, Wall Street. Or actually the Market as an aggregate isn't listening to the Mike Pence or any politician when they make their calls on this, its the ear to the ground and the finger in the wind. Of course the smarter people are sitting back waiting for the bottom of the dip because of all the fear built into the margin of the price drops, then they are going to buy buy buy, and reap the rewards when it bounces back up. Baron Rothschild, an 18th century British nobleman and member of the Rothschild banking family said "the time to buy is when there's blood in the streets. " While there is not literally blood on the streets, the principal is the same. Meanwhile I am having to postpone my next trip to Medellin because my source of travel money, my nest egg is taking a beating.
MaddTraveler
02-29-20, 05:58
I've been trying to sleep in but my body just wakes up at 7 am every day on the dot. Drives me nuts. Got up early, made a big breakfast. Omelette, bacon, watermelon, pineapple, OJ, smoothie, its amazing how well you can eat here for like $2.
Go up to the pool and hang in the sun for an hour but the air quality seemed really bad today and the sun was super strong, so decided to mess around online for a couple of hours inside. Hit the ATM, found a place for lunch, around the corner is place called WOK. Everything is $5-8. Very good food, and great lunch spot if you're staying nearby, some of the other places have been decent but this I will return to and try other items.
Not sure what to do with the day and decide to check out Plaza Minorista. I take an uber over because I'm lazy and don't feel like learning the metro system yet. Turns out my uber driver needed to go there today too, kid around 20 I assume and is cool, tells me which spots he likes for fruit and then goes to do his thing.
I check out some shoes which I assume must be fakes because they were selling $60 Vans sneakers for $14 and I didn't even haggle yet, so maybe you can get them for $10-12, but they were pretty solid, I couldn't tell if they were fake, stolen or real honestly. Didn't have my size in the color I wanted and heading to El Centro tomorrow so figured I'll just wait.
Take my time, cruise the entire Plaza for a couple of hours, grab a ton of stuff, mangoes, tomatoes, onions, potatoes, passion fruits, a medium size package of strawberries. Must have been 8-9 lbs of fruits and veg - $3!
Come back to the airbnb and kick it for a couple of hours, nail down details with Karina, and order from wings from Sport Wings. I'm adding a lot of food details here because its not mentioned much and I really wish I had a better idea of what's worthwhile. I hope others are finding this useful. In any case, lots of restaurants are always running specials on Rappi so that's cool. 18 wings, 3 different kinds / sauces, delivered for $9, and they're pretty damn good. Def would order again, hit the spot..I'm very new here and let me just say thanks for this great report. Most importantly I appreciate the details about the food, and as you mentioned that's rarely reported but it's still appreciated even though I'm not a foodie.
I have been helping a couple bar girls I met in Angeles City since November 2013. They have scammed me before. They have met guys and started families. And I still send them a couple hundred a month for their kids.
Why? Firstly I don't have kids of my own. Actually I see these girls as my adopted children and their kids are my grandchildren. And I like getting pictures of my grand kids. Their first day at school. A happy birthday. I like it a lot.
But why send money to someone who is not truthful? I have learned over the years that money is freedom. Sometimes money is freedom to tell the truth. And these girls don't always feel that they have the freedom to tell the truth.
Sometimes if you have the freedom; overlooking the scam is the right call. They may not be telling you the real reason they need the money; but they do need the money. I assure you that these girls do not always prefer to rip you off. They might just not feel they have the freedom to tell the truth. Over the years I have built a good relationship with my adopted daughters and I have received a huge amount of satisfaction from seeing my grandchildren get a happy home to grow up in.Wow, this is unbelievable. You can't be for real. If I have extra cash laying around, I will give them to Elon Musk; I want to help the human race to become a multi-planetary specie. I know that different people enjoy different things, but it is hard for me to reason why it is satisfying to pay a girl so she can fuck other guys worry free.
Every time a girl ask me for money with a sad story, I always makeup a more depressing story and ask them to me money instead; if their parents are in the hospital, then my entire family, including my dog are in the hospital; if they need money for rent, then I have been living under the bridge for days, if they need money for food, then I need money for a heart transplant. The only time I actually considered to send money is when they ask money for drugs, I hate to see people in a party who want to get high, but couldn't. I hope some of the girls I asked money for didn't pass my made up stories to you and ask for money. For the record, I have not gotten paid by any girls yet.
I ll be traveling to Medellin during Holy Week. How dead will Medellin be during April 9th through the 11th, that Thursday through Saturday? Will girls be around Parque Lleras, Will casas and strip clubs be open? Bars and clubs open? If so will they be dead? Anyone who could offer some intel / advice on best way to mongering and party during that weekend would be greatly appreciated!
Does anyone has any suggestions on the quickest way to learn Spanish? I just want to learn enough to be able to talk to girls without constantly using google translate. I live in the US, but I come to Medellin often, is it possible to find a hot college girl who teaches Spanish and working at the same time?
I have been helping a couple bar girls I met in Angeles City since November 2013. They have scammed me before. They have met guys and started families. And I still send them a couple hundred a month for their kids.
Why? Firstly I don't have kids of my own. Actually I see these girls as my adopted children and their kids are my grandchildren. And I like getting pictures of my grand kids. Their first day at school. A happy birthday. I like it a lot.
But why send money to someone who is not truthful? I have learned over the years that money is freedom. Sometimes money is freedom to tell the truth. And these girls don't always feel that they have the freedom to tell the truth.
Sometimes if you have the freedom; overlooking the scam is the right call. They may not be telling you the real reason they need the money; but they do need the money. I assure you that these girls do not always prefer to rip you off. They might just not feel they have the freedom to tell the truth. Over the years I have built a good relationship with my adopted daughters and I have received a huge amount of satisfaction from seeing my grandchildren get a happy home to grow up in.
Do I still get a questionable ask for money? Yes. But I have the freedom to look beyond the lie and ask "what's going on? How can I help?" I understand that not everyone has the freedom and privilege that I have.
But in this case this girl seems to be a professional rip-off artist. She enjoys it. Since this meeting she has reached out to me to try to convince me that she is a good person. She offered to make up the hours I paid for. She offered video sex. I am just not going there!
That is a nice thing to do but what you are describing has nothing to do with cutting losses when mongering.
I happened to have done something similar not long ago. A Venezuela girl that I don't know contacted me. Later I found out she wanted me to buy pictures or videos from her. She said I can make any request and she would do it live via video chat or sending me pictures. I have no interest of paying for any of that but I told her that I would send her money anyway. I asked how much she usually get. She said the amount depends on request. As I don't have request, I asked that she showed me some of the Paypal receipts so I just send her money based on the amount I saw.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 07:32
That is not what I mean. You are helping someone which has nothing to do with cutting losses when mongering? That is a nice thing to do.
I happened to have done something similar not long ago. A Venezuela girl that I don't know contacted me. Later I found out she wanted me to buy pictures or videos from her. She said I can make any request and she would do it live via video chat or sending me pictures. I have no interest of paying for any of that but I told her that I would send her money anyway. I asked how much she usually get. She said the amount depends on request. As I don't have request, I asked that she showed me some of the Paypal receipts so I just send her money based on the amount I saw.My point was that sometimes you have to ignore the scams and lies. These things are attributes of their poverty. Sometimes you might find that there are experiences to be had that are worth while even after you spend money on lies and deceit. But if you don't have the freedom to spend time or money. Then you cannot hope to experience them.
My point was that sometimes you have to ignore the scams and lies. These things are attributes of their poverty. Sometimes you might find that there are experiences to be had that are worth while even after you spend money on lies and deceit. But if you don't have the freedom to spend time or money. Then you cannot hope to experience them.Maybe I don't understand what you mean. Here are my other experiences with girls I met in El Centro with kids. I am omitting some detail to keep it short
This girl encountered a series of unfortunate events after she met me. She would have something bad happened to her when I thought it could not get worse. One time she told me her son was sick with a fever and she did not have money to take him to the doctor. I don't remember the exact number but I think she told me a dollar amount that I thought was high for Colombia. I told her that I would pay for it and we should go to get her kid to the hospital right away. We went to her hostel. She went in and came out in 15 minutes without her kid and giving me an excuse about her boy is sleeping. The hostel host said better let him sleep. This issue never came up again. Subsequently I also gave her enough money so she can rent an apartment which I think she never did (The police was going to take her kid away from her if she continue to leave her kid at hostel). I never have sex with her.
Another case, I agreed to 60 K to fuck another El Centrol girl. I paid her a total of 80 K after the session. I already know her for a while. I routinely gave her kid money ranging from 5 mils to 20 K (one time). Not only I overpaid but I also gave her a tip.
AdventureSeekr
02-29-20, 08:37
Up early again and had signed up for the free walking tour from Real City Tours of El Centro yesterday. It starts at 10:25 am but decided to show up early as they request it too. The 20 min Uber from Lleras is $2. 30, not worth the metro hassle to me.
The tour starts a few minutes later as they do multiple groups and they had enough people to send us out. We start at about 10:15 am. The tour is extremely informative, not just places but the overall history of Colombia. I highly recommend it because not only did I learn a ton and found it very interesting, it gave me a deeper understanding of the people, culture and why things are the way they are. On top of that, I had a good sense of El Centro, where things were, how to get around. The tour lasted about 3. 5 hours and it is expected to give a tip between 20 k and 50 k. I gave 40 k. More than worth it to learn, see the sights, the major landmarks and know my way around. If you have a good sense of direction, after this tour, you will not need to take your phone out to know where you are.
The guide had mentioned some restaurants along the way and I ended up stopping into one after the tour ended that was quite full around 2:30 pm. I ordered Bandeja de Pollo which is rice, beans, salad, sweet plantain, 1/4 of a chicken and got a bottle of water. Super delicious, twice the amount of food I could finish, 16 k.
There is an unimaginable amount of shopping to be had in El Centro although a lot of it is shoes, sunglasses, hats and similar items. I found the Vans I was looking for the other day in my size, they asked 85 k here so way more than Plaza Minorista but I just told them the price at Minorista was 50 k so that's what I'm willing to pay. They countered 75 k. No. They countered 60 k. No. I said again, 50 k, here it is. Done deal. I'm sure a local pays way less, but its $14 for a nice pair of casual shoes, not stressing over it.
I took a walk over to Little Caracas since I was just around the corner, I needed to see what this is all about. The vibe changes immediately once you cross around Calle 51 and gets worse and more run down as you continue to Calle 53, along Carrera 53. El Centro in general felt just like Jamaica, Queens, or Chinatown. Kathmandu is FAR worse in my opinion. Yes, it's hectic, there are tons of people and cars and bikes and it smells like car fumes everywhere but I really was expecting a war zone and it's just a busy city environment. I saw nothing alarming. You have some homeless, some druggies, sure I don't see that in Poblado, but I am pretty damn gringo, light skinned, medium blonde, blue eyes, I didn't feel unsafe for one minute there. I also grew up outside NYC and spent a ton of time in NYC as a kid and then lived there and spent time in some areas I really shouldn't have, so having my eyes open and a sense of what's around me at all times is natural. My guess is becoming a target is far more about how you carry yourself than how you look. Nobody tried any weird shit. I won't try my luck at night, nor do I really have the want to hang out in that area anyway. It's good for what it is, but it's not my scene for hanging out. Back to Little Caracas, I did not see anything I liked, all 1's and 2's, seriously terrible talent. This was about 3:30-4 pm, supposed to be prime time! I understand why I've read that multiple laps is necessary. I did see some very beautiful non working girls who were either doing shopping, or what looked like they were on lunch break in professional attire, one was working at a shoe store. Drop dead gorgeous. But no working girls were doable to me, not even for free. They are kind of everywhere though, not just at 53/53 intersection. Plaza Botera, Calle Carabobo, you can't miss them and it's obvious which ones are working, they stick out like a sore thumb. I really think you need to probably spend a lot of time walking in circles and sitting and watching people pass by, to find one you may like. I'm sure it's there and I'm sure they get taken quickly. I did see multiple men negotiating or walking with one they picked and nobody batted an eye. Totally normal.
Traffic by the time I'm leaving El Centro at 4:10 pm is a nightmare so I walk as far as I can to try and get to a more major road that can get me out of the area. Hop in an Uber and back to Lleras in about 30 minutes, not bad considering Uber was saying 50 minutes.
The sun here is really strong. I live in the Caribbean and figured I'the be used to it, but after being out walking around all day, my face is burnt, so do keep that in mind if you plan to be outside for a long time, I underestimated that heavily and didn't think it would be that bad.
Kicked at the Airbnb, showered, rested for a few hours since I walked 7 miles today.
Arrived at Parque Lleras around 11:30 pm. I've been told 1-2 am is when it's really getting good but I'm already tired and was debating not going as is. Right out the Uber and I see a stunner, I was so shocked I didn't even say Hi. 30 seconds later I regret that and start looking for her, she's gone. I do a bunch of laps, walk the streets surrounding the park and just outside it, getting a sense of where I am and what clubs, restaurants etc are in the area. First time here and just taking it in and learning. Gusto's line is LONG and there are many good looking women in line. I didn't even drink while out tonight, although I had 2 rum and cokes while getting ready before heading out. By the way, the Rum de Medellin 12 yr Gran Reserva is solid for $20 (70 k cop) Get tired of walking and take a seat outside Gusto's but across the street. There are tons of women outside the bars too and the music at these places is so loud, its irritating from outside, I can't imagine being inside. I find the stunner from earlier and keep it short.
Hola. Como Estas? Como se Llama? Estoy muy cansado esta noche pero quiero verte mañana. Tienes whatsapp?
Get her number and tell her I'll text her tomorrow. A few guys post up near me and we chat, around my age, mid 30's. Just taking in the scene and thinking how crazy it is. All different kinds of women, many doable but I'm really looking for ones that have the full package of what I want. There are so many women, why not be picky.
As time goes on, the women get more aggressive, earlier in the night, they start by just saying Hola, but later they grab you, and hold you, ask to go home with you, and ask why not when I say no. It's all good but definitely a noticeable shift.
Another super cutie walks by and I do the same thing, get her number and tell her I will text her soon. I also texted both of them immediately so that I see it is the right number and they have my number and remember who I am in a day or two.
I hang for another hour and see one more chica I'm really debating. We cross paths twice and I slack on it. I decide yea, she's banging and next minute, she gets snagged by someone else. What a shame, but in reality, there's tomorrow night and the next day and the next day, doesn't matter.
Lleras is something else. I haven't really seen anything else like it anywhere in my travels. Personally I think it's pretty wild. Every woman there is working and every guy there knows every other guy is there to take advantage of that. It's objectively an odd situation when you think about it but amazing at the same time.
Heading to bed at 2:30 pm and wiped out. Will take it easy tomorrow and stay out later to see what happens between 2-4 am. No dates today as I really was just too tired to entertain a chica tonight. Even without another great evening of sex, it was still a really fun and interesting day. Medellin is a great city on its own without all the additional amazing perks it has to offer with its availability of beautiful women.
Mr Enternational
02-29-20, 08:40
My point was that sometimes you have to ignore the scams and lies. These things are attributes of their poverty.So what excuse did Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff have?
AdventureSeekr
02-29-20, 08:43
So what excuse did Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff have?LOL genius level response.
By airlines refusing you to boarding if you are obviously sick, which they totally can do. Just hasn't gotten there yet in Colombia. Is starting to happen in Asia and Middle east and some cities in EU.
.In Colombia it is more likely that they will want you out of the country.
In Colombia it is more likely that they will want you out of the country.Which means you'll end up in quarantine somewhere else.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 14:24
So what excuse did Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff have?Obviously there are different personalities that are more or less honest. But if you look at the group as a whole I think we can all agree that the number of scammers is higher than the general population. There are certain other forces at work. I do think there are many and poverty is just one. As I said; I am staying far away from the girl in my multi-part post.
LeyenLouvain
02-29-20, 14:31
I am staying far away from the girl in my multi-part post.But she owes you a cita. Why not let her do it on the strict understanding that there is no more money until the following time?
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 14:48
Maybe I don't understand what you mean...We are are all trying to experience life. We seek pleasure and avoid pain. As we move higher on the pyramid we look for more self-actualization and we want things that have more meaning for us. What we got before is not enough now. To obtain truly unique experiences, sometimes that means that we can ignore the scam and chase the thing we want.
I think I have a better chance of finding what I want if I develop a don't care attitude to being scammed in certain instances. Some times it pays off and sometimes not.
Money is more dear for some than others. Just as the poor girl will seek to lay her hands on money through scamming, there are mongers who cannot accept paying more than the lowest price for something.
The girl in my multi-part post was charging me more for just about everything. I knew it, but I ignored it. But in the end I got what I wanted. A memory of a unique girl, unique sex act and a unique church key to remind me.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 14:54
But she owes you a cita. Why not let her do it on the strict understanding that there is no more money until the following time?There is no controlling the experience with her. I am thinking she would not be offering to meet me if she didn't have a plan. I don't have any idea what her plan is. But I know it involves my money. It would likely be minimum a waste of time.
It will be very dead, most chicas spend time with family.
I ll be traveling to Medellin during Holy Week. How dead will Medellin be during April 9th through the 11th, that Thursday through Saturday? Will girls be around Parque Lleras, Will casas and strip clubs be open? Bars and clubs open? If so will they be dead? Anyone who could offer some intel / advice on best way to mongering and party during that weekend would be greatly appreciated!.
Hotel Zona A very close to Park Lleras appears to be girl-friendly.
The hotel policy does not address any fees for guests. Furthermore, in the comments section, someone complained about the noise.
From a guest's room that picked up a street girl.
I ll be traveling to Medellin during Holy Week. How dead will Medellin be during April 9th through the 11th, that Thursday through Saturday? Will girls be around Parque Lleras, Will casas and strip clubs be open? Bars and clubs open? If so will they be dead? Anyone who could offer some intel / advice on best way to mongering and party during that weekend would be greatly appreciated!I've been in MDE a few times for Holy Week. The first half of the week will be fine. But starting Wednesday, things will dry up dramatically. If you know girls from previous encounters, you can probably arrange something quick with them. But if you don't have contacts, you'll likely have a hard time finding something.
I've been in MDE a few times for Holy Week. The first half of the week will be fine. But starting Wednesday, things will dry up dramatically. If you know girls from previous encounters, you can probably arrange something quick with them. But if you don't have contacts, you'll likely have a hard time finding something.What day will it start to get busy again? Will all bars and clubs in Parque Lleras be closed? Gustos? Would suck to lose out on a whole weekend!
Mr Enternational
02-29-20, 18:09
Obviously there are different personalities that are more or less honest. But if you look at the group as a whole I think we can all agree that the number of scammers is higher than the general population. There are certain other forces at work. I do think there are many and poverty is just one. As I said; I am staying far away from the girl in my multi-part post.Nah brother. Someone's economic level has zero to do with how honest they are. Liars and scammers are liars and scammers and can be found in all walks of life. Preachers, doctors, lawyers, record execs, welfare queens. The only force at work is the character of the person.
Don't advocate putting up with anyone trying to rip you off because you feel sorry about them being poor. It is like the saying fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, then I need my head examined for staying around you after the first time. You don't just keep entertaining the shit like you think it is cute.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 20:12
Nah brother. Someone's economic level has zero to do with how honest they are. Liars and scammers are liars and scammers and can be found in all walks of life. Preachers, doctors, lawyers, record execs, welfare queens. The only force at work is the character of the person.
Don't advocate putting up with anyone trying to rip you off because you feel sorry about them being poor. It is like the saying fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, then I need my head examined for staying around you after the first time. You don't just keep entertaining the shit like you think it is cute.I guess this is similar to the Republican / Liberal divide. One side is all about religion, self-sufficiency and zero tolerance. The other side is about compassion, understanding different points of view and tolerance. I like my world view and you like yours.
We are are all trying to experience life. We seek pleasure and avoid pain. As we move higher on the pyramid we look for more self-actualization and we want things that have more meaning for us. What we got before is not enough now. To obtain truly unique experiences, sometimes that means that we can ignore the scam and chase the thing we want.
I think I have a better chance of finding what I want if I develop a don't care attitude to being scammed in certain instances. Some times it pays off and sometimes not.
Money is more dear for some than others. Just as the poor girl will seek to lay her hands on money through scamming, there are mongers who cannot accept paying more than the lowest price for something.
The girl in my multi-part post was charging me more for just about everything. I knew it, but I ignored it. But in the end I got what I wanted. A memory of a unique girl, unique sex act and a unique church key to remind me.There's only one problem with your approach, specifically in Colombia. It can get you dead.
I'm not one to fearmonger. However, I was somewhat surprised your episode did not end up with you being drugged and robbed.
You can stumble into an unique sexual experience, or you can plan it and seek it. There's something to be said for spontaneity and the lure of the unexpected, but with a Dom / sub situation you're much safer with planning and preparation.
While I don't know of any women who provide domination services, considering the number of submissive girls and bondage girls, I'm sure you can find one.
AdventureSeekr
02-29-20, 22:04
I guess this is similar to the Republican / Liberal divide. One side is all about religion, self-sufficiency and zero tolerance. The other side is about compassion, understanding different points of view and tolerance. I like my world view and you like yours.I would consider myself more Libertarian than anything, but definitely hold progressive, liberal views, as well as fiscally conservative views. I think the Republican / Democratic divide is complete nonsense. Both sides are full of shit and are corrupt. Behind closed doors, they are elites and do what is best for them, neither party gives a fuck about us.
Anyway, I'm extremely tolerant of many things in life, but I am not tolerant of scammers, con artists, and liars. Allowing that kind of person into your life is not only damaging to your mind and wallet, but it also means you don't know where to draw a line or have healthy boundaries regarding what you consider to be acceptable behavior. You're basically a doormat and are convincing yourself you are helping someone to feel better about being taken for a fool.
I can send you my bank account if you'd like to send me a few hundred every month and I can send you some google images of babies if it makes you feel better.
John Gault
02-29-20, 22:14
I guess this is similar to the Republican / Liberal divide. One side is all about religion, self-sufficiency and zero tolerance. The other side is about compassion, understanding different points of view and tolerance. I like my world view and you like yours.I really liked your posts and could up to a certain point understood where you were coming from. You spoiled it all by bringing up politics.
Let me coin a new abbreviation. BHL bleeding heart liberal.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 22:45
I really liked your posts and could up to a certain point understood where you were coming from. You spoiled it all by bringing up politics.
Let me coin a new abbreviation. BHL bleeding heart liberal.You are right. I shouldn't have said Republican / Liberal. Hot button terms. I should have said Literalist / Romantic.
I choose to see the world in more romantic terms. Hence my login: Loverboy. Mr. E. And many others will choose to see the world in more stark terms. Clearly they will not be fans of Monger Romance novels. But let's see how they do on Amazon one day.
LoverBoy1024
02-29-20, 22:50
I would consider myself more Libertarian than anything, but definitely hold progressive, liberal views, as well as fiscally conservative views. I think the Republican / Democratic divide is complete nonsense. Both sides are full of shit and are corrupt. Behind closed doors, they are elites and do what is best for them, neither party gives a fuck about us.
Anyway, I'm extremely tolerant of many things in life, but I am not tolerant of scammers, con artists, and liars. Allowing that kind of person into your life is not only damaging to your mind and wallet, but it also means you don't know where to draw a line or have healthy boundaries regarding what you consider to be acceptable behavior. You're basically a doormat and are convincing yourself you are helping someone to feel better about being taken for a fool.
I can send you my bank account if you'd like to send me a few hundred every month and I can send you some google images of babies if it makes you feel better.I have a better idea. Buy my novels on Amazon one day. Thank you all for your attention. This has been a valuable experiment for me.
I don't understand these posts I'm reading today. You have members bragging about how they are being scammed, but don't care and keep giving their money away. Don't you guys realize when you send money to people you are probably one of many that are sending them money. They make more money than you. You should only give these girls money when they spend time with you. Never send money when your back home. These girls are laughing at how dumb you are. They sit on their ass and collect thousands a month to do nothing.
If I have a good time with a girl and I know she has a kid to take care of, I tip a little extra to help out, but it's in the context of a sexual relationship. Last time I was in Medellin I hooked up with a 19 yo from a casa. She came to my hotel back to back nights, and we had a great time. I knew she was poor and I tipped her an extra 50 k pesos which is about 15 dollars. She can buy some diapers and baby food with that. She didn't ask me for extra money, but I knew that 15 bucks would help her a lot. But Under no circumstances am I going to send her hundred of dollars a month from the US.
Nah brother. Someone's economic level has zero to do with how honest they are. Liars and scammers are liars and scammers and can be found in all walks of life. Preachers, doctors, lawyers, record execs, welfare queens. The only force at work is the character of the person.The only difference is the amount of money they want.
I guess this is similar to the Republican / Liberal divide. One side is all about religion, self-sufficiency and zero tolerance. The other side is about compassion, understanding different points of view and tolerance. I like my world view and you like yours.Not really that much of a divide. Most people are somewhere between -- ie. A moderate blend of the two extremes. Fox / CNN make it seem like everyone is exclusively one or the other.
LoverBoy1024
03-01-20, 00:56
Not really that much of a divide. Most people are somewhere between -- ie. A moderate blend of the two extremes. Fox / CNN make it seem like everyone is exclusively one or the other.I did say "Similar" to the political divide. But obviously I shouldn't have mentioned it in any context. I should have focused on the way people take in information about the world and the people in it. Although even this invites controversy.
Some people are able to look at life from other people's point of view. They can imagine people having a different background, culture, life pressures and motivations, etc. They can see how this creates a complex decision process for each individual. In this environment "good" and "bad" actions are much more difficult to identify because they are based on this complex internal world. Inner worlds are changed by assimilation of new information and can produce different reactions to the same stimulus.
Others are locked into the world created by their own five senses. What they see, hear, feel, taste and smell are the same things that others are also sensing. For them there is only stimulus and reaction. The reaction should flow straight from the stimulus. There are easily seen "good" and "bad" reactions to a set stimulus because the decision process is outwardly focused. In this case the person is immutable. They are either good or bad; producing good or bad reactions.
BlueChange
03-01-20, 01:11
What day will it start to get busy again? Will all bars and clubs in Parque Lleras be closed? Gustos? Would suck to lose out on a whole weekend!Litterally the whole week. Holy week is THE WORST TIME TO BE IN MEDELLIN!.
Not only are all the massage places, closed but also the love hotels, the brothels and EVERYONE leaves to go into the country with their familes. Also they stop selling alcoohl on the weekends as welll. It fucking sucks. Stay clear.
Mr Enternational
03-01-20, 02:20
I choose to see the world in more romantic terms. Hence my login: Loverboy. Mr. E. And many others will choose to see the world in more stark terms.I come from the streets, so I do not find it at all intriguing, mystical, or romantic for someone to be trying to rip me off.
A little over 6 months ago I ran into a guy in the Lowes parking lot near my house. He said he was an Army veteran (showed me his DD-214 discharge papers). He was down on his luck and needed money for a weekly motel him and his wife were staying in. He even called the motel and the desk clerk confirmed it. I gave the guy $40 and thanked him for serving. Well about 3 weeks ago I saw him in a Kroger parking lot doing the same shit. I hung out at my car a while hoping he would come over and not remember me. After a few minutes he did not come so I left. The other day I was thinking that the next time I see his ass begging in a parking lot he will be giving me my $40 back with interest. My empathy only shows for those that are honestly trying to help themselves.
I did say "Similar" to the political divide. But obviously I shouldn't have mentioned it in any context. I should have focused on the way people take in information about the world and the people in it. Although even this invites controversy.
Some people are able to look at life from other people's point of view. They can imagine people having a different background, culture, life pressures and motivations, etc. They can see how this creates a complex decision process for each individual. In this environment "good" and "bad" actions are much more difficult to identify because they are based on this complex internal world. Inner worlds are changed by assimilation of new information and can produce different reactions to the same stimulus.
Others are locked into the world created by their own five senses. What they see, hear, feel, taste and smell are the same things that others are also sensing. For them there is only stimulus and reaction. The reaction should flow straight from the stimulus. There are easily seen "good" and "bad" reactions to a set stimulus because the decision process is outwardly focused. In this case the person is immutable. They are either good or bad; producing good or bad reactions.
Science works similarly. You can't tell who is locked. The only reason you can do what you do in what you wrote is because the expense is nothing to you. Would you play the same game that is going to cost far more?
LoverBoy1024
03-01-20, 04:11
I come from the streets, so I do not find it at all intriguing, mystical, or romantic for someone to be trying to rip me off.Hence my statement. Some will not have the same money freedom or privilege as I. It is understandable that you have a different outlook on life.
I often think about the children of rich men. They have the expectation to be rich. If they are not rich then they will do whatever it takes to be rich. On the other hand the child of a government worker will rise to the level of government worker and then be content; not needing to rise further. A child of the streets will similarly expect to struggle for money and once obtained a level of expected wealth, will seek to fight to maintain it.
Can you see that I view money differently than you? My life has never been one of lack. If I run low on money I know that a minimal effort will right the balance. I will not worry about $100 ever. It is like a monopoly game to me. I expect to have money and I have it. You expect to fight for money and you fight. It is all down to our expectations.
Litterally the whole week. Holy week is THE WORST TIME TO BE IN MEDELLIN!.
Not only are all the massage places, closed but also the love hotels, the brothels and EVERYONE leaves to go into the country with their familes. Also they stop selling alcoohl on the weekends as welll. It fucking sucks. Stay clear.Fuck! My only vacation I get and I don't want to waste it in the states beating off like a coward when I could be slaying latinas for chump change. Any advice on shit to do those first few days in Medellin during holy week? Could I call putas off milerticos or get dates off online? I know you said its going to be dead, but I already booked a flight a few weeks ago and if I can at least just pick up a good looking street walker for a few nights it would be worth it. So I am guessing there will be no street action in Parque Lleras or Plaza Botero either?
LoverBoy1024
03-01-20, 04:34
I come from the streets, so I do not find it at all intriguing, mystical, or romantic for someone to be trying to rip me off.
A little over 6 months ago I ran into a guy in the Lowes parking lot near my house. He said he was an Army veteran (showed me his DD-214 discharge papers). He was down on his luck and needed money for a weekly motel him and his wife were staying in. He even called the motel and the desk clerk confirmed it. I gave the guy $40 and thanked him for serving. Well about 3 weeks ago I saw him in a Kroger parking lot doing the same shit. I hung out at my car a while hoping he would come over and not remember me. After a few minutes he did not come so I left. The other day I was thinking that the next time I see his ass begging in a parking lot he will be giving me my $40 back with interest. My empathy only shows for those that are honestly trying to help themselves.By the way, I served in the military with the 3/12 Cav during the Cold War. These guys that stayed in the military have not much to show for it. They risked their lives in defense of the country. Some went on to serve in desert storm and other hot wars. These guys aren't college material in many many cases. When they get out they might be on SSI disability due to injuries on the tank. Or they might be working at other low tech jobs. I don't care if they are begging in parking lots. They deserve gratitude and not derision.
Fuck! My only vacation I get and I don't want to waste it in the states beating off like a coward when I could be slaying latinas for chump change. Any advice on shit to do those first few days in Medellin during holy week? Could I call putas off milerticos or get dates off online? I know you said its going to be dead, but I already booked a flight a few weeks ago and if I can at least just pick up a good looking street walker for a few nights it would be worth it. So I am guessing there will be no street action in Parque Lleras or Plaza Botero either?There will be options available. The pickings will be slim, but you can find girls. If you're locked in, make the best of it.
KetoAndKettle
03-02-20, 02:23
Does anyone has any suggestions on the quickest way to learn Spanish? I just want to learn enough to be able to talk to girls without constantly using google translate. I live in the US, but I come to Medellin often, is it possible to find a hot college girl who teaches Spanish and working at the same time?There's no quick way. Read The Slight Edge by Jeff Olsen. He talks about how doing something small every day (something that doesn't tax your time and energy too much daily) will build up and give dividends before you know it.
The first thing I'd recommend, though, is to download Anki, a free open source flashcard program, and start adding sentences and words to it. Buy the Frequency book on Spanish which has the top most used 5000 words. When you're at the start of the journey, you don't want to waste time learning less used words.
Listen to youtube channels, like Why Not Spanish, Dreaming in Spanish, Butterfly Spanish (cute little Mexican girl, in a next-door-girl kind of a way). There is also Marie Espanol. Also search for Duo Lingo podcast (not the duo lingo Spanish software. It's a little silly and makes you think you're making progress). The Duo Lingo podcast, on the other hand, are stories told by native Spanish speakers, spoken in intermediate speed, so you have a half way chance of following along. And they provide the transcripts, so you can look at it while listening.
If you want to spend money, buy Rocket Spanish program. I bought the third level (last level) because I had already gained a lot of progress, but you might start the first level. Great program, but a little expensive at 150 a level.
Takes time. But so fucking worth it.
PolloNegro
03-02-20, 05:01
Fuck! My only vacation I get and I don't want to waste it in the states beating off like a coward when I could be slaying latinas for chump change. Any advice on shit to do those first few days in Medellin during holy week? Could I call putas off milerticos or get dates off online? I know you said its going to be dead, but I already booked a flight a few weeks ago and if I can at least just pick up a good looking street walker for a few nights it would be worth it. So I am guessing there will be no street action in Parque Lleras or Plaza Botero either?Trust me, I will have a few chics PM me for your type & contact information. Pollo negro is out!
Mojo Bandit
03-02-20, 06:06
Does anyone has any suggestions on the quickest way to learn Spanish? I just want to learn enough to be able to talk to girls without constantly using google translate. I live in the US, but I come to Medellin often, is it possible to find a hot college girl who teaches Spanish and working at the same time?As for apps, Duolingo is the best app I have found. It has a free version and an paid that works offline. It is designed for anyone (any idiot like me) it builds you up slowly from simple to complex sentences. Because Spanish and English pronounce vowels and some consonants differently, and because Spanish has some diphthong vowel sounds we don't have etc, trying to memorize written words is useless if you do not know the pronunciation. Duolingo is an app that will pronounce it for you and give you practice pronouncing also by you speaking into the app. Then there is the conjugation of verbs in spanish, once you get the hang of the vowel sounds, and as you come across new verbs you may want to download some conjugation charts off the web so you can memorize the different conjugations. Duolingo is going to go through them but I find it handy to also have the charts. Then use your time in Medellin to practice, I guarantee that once you get a good start on the app and then start practicing in Medellin, every chica you spend time with will be your spanish teacher. I have been doing Duolingo for a few months now, I am by no means fluent, but when in Medellin the chicas do not hesitate to correct me and help me out. I started doing the French on Duolingo first and did a sizable amount of the French but once I jumped over yo the Spanish than it seemed easy after trying the French.
LoverBoy1024
03-02-20, 06:44
I don't understand these posts I'm reading today. You have members bragging about how they are being scammed, but don't care and keep giving their money away. Don't you guys realize when you send money to people you are probably one of many that are sending them money. They make more money than you. You should only give these girls money when they spend time with you. Never send money when your back home. These girls are laughing at how dumb you are. They sit on their ass and collect thousands a month to do nothing.
If I have a good time with a girl and I know she has a kid to take care of, I tip a little extra to help out, but it's in the context of a sexual relationship. Last time I was in Medellin I hooked up with a 19 yo from a casa. She came to my hotel back to back nights, and we had a great time. I knew she was poor and I tipped her an extra 50 k pesos which is about 15 dollars. She can buy some diapers and baby food with that. She didn't ask me for extra money, but I knew that 15 bucks would help her a lot. But Under no circumstances am I going to send her hundred of dollars a month from the US.My bad. I just get bored with the same old "no relationship" stuff. I do plenty of the short time stuff too though so I will write about that stuff here and leave out the other.
Did I tell you guys about my last day in Medellin? I was planning on maybe hitting a Casa in the morning before my flight, but I ended up making the rounds on Calle 52. So I see this group of girls standing on the corner and there is this blond standing with her back to me wearing these "Daisy Duke" shorts. As I am walking by she sees me checking her out and flags me down. She is really cute, slim and attractive.
While I am talking with her the girl I have been with twice before comes up and interjects herself in my negotiations with the blond. My regular is a classic Medellin beauty and we have hit it off pretty well in the past. Well I don't really want to drop the blond though. So I kind of give her a shrug "uh sorry, oh well. ".
But my regular says "why not both, the blond is my good friend. " I am thinking "well I did have a good time with this girl and the blond is pretty hot, so why not. " We agreed on 100 k each for an hour. I know, maybe too high for a Centro girl and I had no idea if this was going to be a great threesome.
We went to the hotel (don't remember which one but it was on 52) and I paid for an hour. Nice room with porn on the television. There were two girls on the porn channel kissing so I pointed it out to my two girls and that's all they needed to start making out themselves. So these girls really were good friends and somehow I had just fallen into the first truly bi-threesome of my life. We actually ended up staying for two hours.
I love Medellin!
Mr Enternational
03-02-20, 07:25
My bad. I just get bored with the same old "no relationship" stuff.So why not get a normal girlfriend for that? Why would you go to a fast food restaurant trying to get a home-cooked meal.
Up early again and had signed up for the free walking tour from Real City Tours of El Centro yesterday. It starts at 10:25 am but decided to show up early as they request it too. The 20 min Uber from Lleras is $2. 30, not worth the metro hassle to me.
The tour starts a few minutes later as they do multiple groups and they had enough people to send us out. We start at about 10:15 am. The tour is extremely informative, not just places but the overall history of Colombia. I highly recommend it because not only did I learn a ton and found it very interesting, it gave me a deeper understanding of the people, culture and why things are the way they are. On top of that, I had a good sense of El Centro, where things were, how to get around. The tour lasted about 3. 5 hours and it is expected to give a tip between 20 k and 50 k. I gave 40 k. More than worth it to learn, see the sights, the major landmarks and know my way around. If you have a good sense of direction, after this tour, you will not need to take your phone out to know where you are..I have been in Laureles 4 days. Perfectly located. Many cases 2 minutes away. Entertained one. But my success is with tinder girls. Wanted to know what time to travel to Lleras park and you gave me the answer. Thanks man. Also was interested in accounts of centro and thanks for your piece of advice or story.
AdventureSeekr
03-02-20, 13:22
Did nothing all day. Need to catch up on rest and wanted to stay out late on Saturday night thinking it would be the best night of the week.
I did walk around Lleras and Provenza for an hour or so just to check them out during the day. I really like this area. There is lots of food, bars, young people, everything is clean and modern. It reminds me of Brooklyn a bit. I had a macchiato at Pergamino. Amazing coffee. I used to own a coffee shop and seriously, amazing coffee and the barista clearly knows what she was doing. Very impressed.
Well around 8 pm I decide to not go out and make a date with one of the chicas I met last night in the park. We confirm for 10 pm, 2 hours, 2 pops, oral natural completo for 250 k. At 10:05 pm I ask if she is close, she says Si. At 10:17 p I ask Donde eres? And she says "Amor, muy cerca" and I ask how many minutes, at 10:21, she responds and says 10 minutos.
At this point I'm already getting dressed to go out. At 10:45 p, I'm ready to head out and tell her I'm leaving and that its not okay to be 45 minutes late and to tell me 3 times you are close when you are not close. She blames it on the taxi being lost but I sent her a pin of the location, so I tell her this and say I don't have a good feeling about spending time together now because the truth is better and she should have told me what was going on. She apologies and sends sad faces and that she doesn't want me to feel that way and she really wants to meet. I say sorry, I already left.
Head down to Lleras. Lleras was noticeably less empty than Friday night with a lot more trannies. Unexpected. They are also annoying as fuck. I hang out for 2 hours til about 1 am and see nothing I'm interested in, not even close, total bust. I hit up a chica from photoprepagos I've been talking to who looks slammin. She says she can be to my place in 20 minutes and I say if not, I'm going to bed. 1. 5 hours, 2 pops, oral natural completo for 300 k. More than I wanted to pay but whatever, at this point I want to release.
She shows up on time which is great and she is gorgeous, good start. Kind of goes down hill from there. Her ad was one of the "we can do any position, garganta profunda, best oral of your life" types, so I have high expectations. Her BJ is like a 1, maybe even a 0 LOL. I think a dog would use less teeth giving a blowjob.
She uses her breasts and mouth and goes back and forth like that and I finish in her mouth but she pulls away half way through, wack, even though we specifically agreed that was okay to do. We chill and chat for ten minutes and go to round two. She does that shit with her legs in missionary where she keeps me from going all the way in, so annoying. Then a bit of that bad odor starts to come up and I can't take it. I take the condom off and jerk off onto her tits. That was the best part of the whole experience. She's super cute so its a real shame her service is trash.
I read a lot of reviews on Catador about many photoprepagos and milerotics girls (she is listed on all these sites under Angela) and it seems real hit or miss. So I knew going in that I was taking a risk but was willing to give the online sites one more shot.
Well two out of two have been mediocre and more or less not worth it. With the other options available, DEFINITELY not worth it. Good to know, won't use the sites again. I'the be pissed if I was only here for a like a week but I still have 16 more days. Chalk it up to a learning experience and still got to nut all over her. Looks like the zinc and lecithin and a one day break actually does work.
Two out of two facebook contacts have been absolutely amazing experiences, not one complaint and exceeded all expectations. I didn't make a facebook date tonight thinking it was Saturday and there must be great talent out, NOPE. From now on I don't care what day it is, Facebook only. Inexpensive lesson in my eyes.
...At this point I'm already getting dressed to go out. At 10:45 p, I'm ready to head out and tell her I'm leaving and that its not okay to be 45 minutes late and to tell me 3 times you are close when you are not close.
...Well two out of two have been mediocre and more or less not worth it. With the other options available, DEFINITELY not worth it. Good to know, won't use the sites again. I'the be pissed if I was only here for a like a week but I still have 16 more days. Chalk it up to a learning experience and still got to nut all over her. Looks like the zinc and lecithin and a one day break actually does work.
Two out of two facebook contacts have been absolutely amazing experiences, not one complaint and exceeded all expectations. I didn't make a facebook date tonight thinking it was Saturday and there must be great talent out, NOPE. From now on I don't care what day it is, Facebook only. Inexpensive lesson in my eyes.Excellent report! Good for you to give her a time limit, and to act on it. Too bad the FL scene did not work for you. I am an FB only monger.
AdventureSeekr
03-02-20, 13:54
Sunday, expecting another slow day. I went over to the Mercado de Campesino's to see what that was about. Found a honey producer and picked two honeys that I liked a lot. I got large jars and the price was very good for the quantity and quality. Had two beef empanadas that were also delicious and guarapo. Hang out there for an hour just people watching.
Walk over to Exito and pick up some more grocery items for the house and then Uber back home. I start sending out some messages. I have two chicas I've been talking to for months before arriving that I was under the impression are not working girls. There was no indication and the conversations were not sexualized at all. I wanted to have a few citas before seeing them to kind of, get that out of my system before investing time into real dating. I hit up two working girls and Mariana. I didn't hear back from the WG's but Mariana texted me back not too long after. Chit chat for a bit and decide to go to dinner. She picks Delirio in Laureles. Never heard of it but the menu looks good so I agree. She's concerned she doesn't have enough money to get to me, and I tell her of course I am paying, it is my invitation. Now, her social media is extremely private and she has very few photos, so even though I have seen some angles of her, I don't have a complete idea of what she looks like, but my social media is the same, so we're in the same boat.
She shows up a little late to my place, expected, steps out of the taxi and I am floored. This girl is a fucking beautiful. A little shorter than expected but a good surprise as she is my perfect height. I thought she was the same height as me, but she's about 3" shorter. Dressed kind of sexy casual. Flawless skin. Incredible facial features, intoxicating eyes, unreal smile, picture perfect teeth. I'm beside myself.
We head over to Laureles from Poblado, arrive to the restaurant and get seated on the second floor overlooking the street in Laureles. Delirio is a solid date spot, beautiful decor and environment, good service and the food was great. Half our conversation is spoken and the other half using translate. I understand most of what she is saying but have a hard time speaking Spanish and answering her questions in detail. She's very accommodating and is happy to help or correct me. She also wants to learn English so she gets it. Lots of cool aspects of her personality that compliment mine and we get along very well. We both just feel comfortable with each other. The conversation goes pretty deep for the first time meeting, but keep in mind we have talked for probably 3 months, a good amount, before I even arrived.
We each had a drink, two appetizers, and an entree each. More food than we could finish and tip included, the bill was still only $40. God, I love Medellin. This meal would have been $140 in SF Bay. Her uber to me from Itagui, then an Uber to Laureles, and then the reverse, so 4 ubers of more than an hour of driving was still only $15, for all 4 trips.
We just about close down the restaurant and I ask if she wants to come back to my place, it's only 10 pm. She did say earlier in the day that it is Sunday and she doesn't want to stay out too late, and I'm feeling the same as I was pretty tired, but she agrees to come hang out for a little longer. We hang out on the balcony, with an awesome view of Medellin, and the moon was out and clear, and just talked for another hour before she called a car back home. Walk her downstairs, kiss goodbye, and agree to see each other the next day. Definitely the best date I have had in, shit, 3 years?
While I most definitely want to sleep with this woman, I am glad it didn't progress to that, or turn out that she is a working girl and she asks for money. I genuinely like who she is and am excited to see where it goes. I had zero expectations of finding a girlfriend situation here, as I'm very content being single right now, but she really fits everything I would look for if I wanted to date exclusively, so I will continue to entertain this and see where it goes. I'm not going to turn down this potentially amazing opportunity that has presented itself.
Side note: I am doing everything I want here, eating out, not holding back for anything, as many citas as I can take, only using Uber, and I'm still spending half of what I expected, I plan on being very often, potentially even half the year. I've traveled extensively and I think the value for your dollar is the best here of anywhere I have been. I have been to Nepal and Bali etc where things are cheaper, but the quality is also lower which is why I say the Value is the best, it is not the cheapest of anywhere, but Medellin offers the quality I want, in food, women, convenience, familiar grocery items, the things I would need in a place to want to live there, for an incredibly low cost.
Fuck! My only vacation I get and I don't want to waste it in the states beating off like a coward when I could be slaying latinas for chump change. Any advice on shit to do those first few days in Medellin during holy week? Could I call putas off milerticos or get dates off online? I know you said its going to be dead, but I already booked a flight a few weeks ago and if I can at least just pick up a good looking street walker for a few nights it would be worth it. So I am guessing there will be no street action in Parque Lleras or Plaza Botero either?Good Friday thru Easter Sunday are going to be pretty much "dead" when it comes to the Colombian Chicas, forget Parque Lleras, however El Centro will be overflowing with Venezuelans, so don't despair because the Venezuelans are hard core and desperate, and out as early as 8 AM, at least I have seen some working that early, so look at that specific weekend as where you will find something.
Keep in mind that most of the "locals" who go with these girls, will probably be at home, and you will probably have the "pick of the liter" from the Venezuelans who are out working. If I am around then, I will be out fishing for sure.
LoverBoy1024
03-02-20, 14:28
So why not get a normal girlfriend for that? Why would you go to a fast food restaurant trying to get a home-cooked meal.I am working on charity or business ideas or helping the kids, not a girlfriend. I have zero romantic interest in the two families I help. One family I am running a sari sari store with. They report the income and expenses to me and I do the accounting. There is more to life than just sex. Sorry, I know there are many that will disagree with that!
I bought the land and built the store for them and now we are just starting to run the store but I have known her and her family for years. Last month was a bit of a loss for the business but I think it's in a good location and will do well. I told her I was going to cover the loss and she objected saying I should keep my money. I just invested in some plastic chairs and a few wooden tables today and was rewarded with pictures of the neighbors sitting in them and eating halo halo.
I understand that some ISGers (all?) subscribe to the philosophy that if you give money to a prostitute you are being an idiot. But Prostitutes (and former Prostitutes) are just people. I will say it again guys: these are just people you are exchanging money for sex with. I am sure (some) of you guys are more than just "disgusting johns". If you have the money you can do more in life than just bang chicks.
AdventureSeekr
03-02-20, 15:28
I am working on charity or business ideas or helping the kids, not a girlfriend. I have zero romantic interest in the two families I help. One family I am running a sari sari store with. They report the income and expenses to me and I do the accounting. There is more to life than just sex. Sorry, I know there are many that will disagree with that!
I bought the land and built the store for them and now we are just starting to run the store but I have known her and her family for years. Last month was a bit of a loss for the business but I think it's in a good location and will do well. I told her I was going to cover the loss and she objected saying I should keep my money. I just invested in some plastic chairs and a few wooden tables today and was rewarded with pictures of the neighbors sitting in them and eating halo halo.
I understand that some ISGers (all?) subscribe to the philosophy that if you give money to a prostitute you are being an idiot. But Prostitutes (and former Prostitutes) are just people. I will say it again guys: these are just people you are exchanging money for sex with. I am sure (some) of you guys are more than just "disgusting johns". If you have the money you can do more in life than just bang chicks.I have the money. You're the one making all these idiotic assumptions about if you have money, we would do what you do, but since we aren't paying for the Sunday Asado's for some random former prostitute and her entire neighborhood, we must not have the money. Really, this is the most stupid shit I have ever heard. I'm sure there are plenty of wealthy people here.
You can read my reports and see I treat these women well, and they end up staying for twice as long as agreed. We have a genuinely fun time, but it ends there, until the next time we hang out, in person. I do not discount the fact that they are just people and I treat them just like that. But I still have personal boundaries.
Look, half my passive income gets re-invested as it is tax sheltered. The other half is for spending. Living here in Medellin, being absolutely insane with spending, I couldn't even spend a quarter of that discretionary amount. So there's extra money every direction you look. I have categories 1. Re-investment 2. Discretionary spending (mostly travel, restaurants, women) 3. Charity of my choice, I have a few I like and know well.
I do not have a category for supporting former prostitutes that have lied to me. I do not care to spend my time building businesses that may or may not work. Its not the money man, its the time and effort, that shit you cannot get back. A photo of some random people I do not know eating food on plastic chairs does not make me feel better about myself. I don't get this. Your intentions are good but the way you go about them is totally wacked out to me.
The more I read your posts and especially about the 3-some in El Centro, I'm getting the feeling that all of this is completely made up, and if it is, I don't get what you are doing here. This forum is to provide value for those who are looking to visit Medellin and learn, and you're not providing that.
LoverBoy1024
03-02-20, 15:52
The more I read your posts and especially about the 3-some in El Centro, I'm getting the feeling that all of this is completely made up, and if it is, I don't get what you are doing here. This forum is to provide value for those who are looking to visit Medellin and learn, and you're not providing that.I assure you I am not making up anything. You can read my posts from other locations. I get it. ISG has a different purpose. I was just answering Mr E's question.
To answer your post I would offer this. Life is a complex mystery to me. When I am interested in something I explore all aspects of it. Everything. And I am missing a few emotional attachments in my life as far as the kids are concerned. I also want to explode some of the myths and taboos surrounding prostitution. I am interested in business since I have a BSBAM degree but never have run a business. It's so cheap to run a business in the Philippines so why not.
Self actualization: the realization or fulfillment of one's talents and potentialities, especially considered as a drive or need present in everyone. This tendency might be phrased as the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming. ".
I am not responsible for you, what you spend your money on and who you want to be. Why does it upset you when I do it?
AdventureSeekr
03-02-20, 16:05
I am not responsible for you, what you spend your money on and who you want to be. Why does it upset you when I do it?Of course you are welcome to do as you please and while I may not agree, if it is what you want to be doing, by all means, do it. It does bother me when someone is being taken advantage of and your beginning posts were clear that was what was going on. Then it escalated into you supporting women and sending them money each month. This had my alarm bells going off. It seems you know full well what's going on and do it anyway, so, have fun I guess. It wouldn't be for me, but don't let that diminish it for you.
Of course you are welcome to do as you please and while I may not agree, if it is what you want to be doing, by all means, do it. It does bother me when someone is being taken advantage of and your beginning posts were clear that was what was going on. Then it escalated into you supporting women and sending them money each month. This had my alarm bells going off. It seems you know full well what's going on and do it anyway, so, have fun I guess. It wouldn't be for me, but don't let that diminish it for you.Just my observation, I think LB is doing it not expecting anything in return so that is different from the usual scenarios.
I completely agree with you about lying.
Good Friday thru Easter Sunday are going to be pretty much "dead" when it comes to the Colombian Chicas, forget Parque Lleras, however El Centro will be overflowing with Venezuelans, so don't despair because the Venezuelans are hard core and desperate, and out as early as 8 AM, at least I have seen some working that early, so look at that specific weekend as where you will find something.
Keep in mind that most of the "locals" who go with these girls, will probably be at home, and you will probably have the "pick of the liter" from the Venezuelans who are out working. If I am around then, I will be out fishing for sure.Hmmmm el Centro will probably be a ghost town on Thursday and Friday.
LoverBoy1024
03-02-20, 18:08
Just my observation, I think LB is doing it not expecting anything in return so that is different from the usual scenarios.
I completely agree with you about lying.Whatever. I guess I don't care what complete strangers think. But nobody likes being called a liar.
LoverBoy1024
03-02-20, 18:14
With that I am going to ignore this forum a while. I am going to the Philippines in May. Mexico in June. Philippines again in September. And Panama in October. Look for my posts in those threads.
To steal a little from another member-.
LoverBoy is out!
Mr Enternational
03-02-20, 18:26
With that I am going to ignore this forum a while. I am going to the Philippines in May. Mexico in June. Philippines again in September. And Panama in October. Look for my posts in those threads.I am in PI now. You want me to swing by to make sure they really bought chairs and tables and not just posed with somebody else's?
LoverBoy1024
03-02-20, 18:44
I am in PI now. You want me to swing by to make sure they really bought chairs and tables and not just posed with somebody else's?It's in Floridablanca so it is a little out of the way. They have a small farm there. Actually the only two times I have been there a driver who knows the family took me there. I plan on going to see the business in May if the Coronavirus doesn't cancel my trip. Thanks for the offer. I know it was made in the spirit of best intentions.
Whatever. I guess I don't care what complete strangers think. But nobody likes being called a liar.I guess you think everyone is out to attack you. There is nowhere in the post I quoted mention it. I agree with what AS said about people who lie. I am not saying you are lying at all.
Hmmmm el Centro will probably be a ghost town on Thursday and Friday.What I do know is that the Venezuelans are so desperate that they will be out there working. They have nothing else to do in that they are in Medellin to make money to send back home. I will be in town on those days, and will report back on what I notice, and yes El Centro will be shut down, but there will still be Venezuelans working.
With that I am going to ignore this forum a while.
LoverBoy is out!That is probably a good idea, LB.
KetoAndKettle
03-02-20, 21:13
Now that I got. Working phone I used it to track down a Scotiabank Colapatria ATM to withdraw money. I have a Capital One checking account that doesn't charge international fees etc. And the Scotiabank doesn't charge fees either. Exchange rate: 3385.113.Mind if I ask you what app you used to locate that ATM?
Hats off to you buddy. Totally agree with you. There's more to life. Loved your Maslow reference.
You are right. I shouldn't have said Republican / Liberal. Hot button terms. I should have said Literalist / Romantic.
I choose to see the world in more romantic terms. Hence my login: Loverboy. Mr. E. And many others will choose to see the world in more stark terms. Clearly they will not be fans of Monger Romance novels. But let's see how they do on Amazon one day.
What I do know is that the Venezuelans are so desperate that they will be out there working. They have nothing else to do in that they are in Medellin to make money to send back home. I will be in town on those days, and will report back on what I notice, and yes El Centro will be shut down, but there will still be Venezuelans working.Yeah, I'm sure you're right, there will be some desperate Vennies out.
A couple years ago on Holy Thursday and Friday, el Centro was dead, absolutely nobody except the Zombies out.
I avoid looking for girls those days and hang with known amiguitas.
This year I’ll be chillin in Rio, Brazil. 🇧🇷 😎
Mind if I ask you what app you used to locate that ATM?Just use Google maps. If you're looking for a specific bank, type in the name. If you're just looking for ATMs you can search for either ATM or Cajero.
Charm City Dave
03-03-20, 01:43
I made a date with a chica for 6:30 telling her to message me at 5:45 to confirm she is ready to leave. She does and I give her my address. At 6:20 she messages me to say she finally got a taxi and is on the way. She is 30 minutes away. At 6:50 I ask her to send me her location so I can see where she is. She is still home. I tell her not to come and not to message me again, that I can not trust her. 20 minutes later I get a message from her she is in the taxi 10 minutes away. I tell her to turn around. Then we go through the usually appolgy and begging. She then begs for me to at least pay her taxi. I tell her I am no longer home and blocker her. I tell her not to 'treat the next gringo like an idiot'. Guys here will tell me this is comon. It is comon because Gringos are idiots who let the girls do this to them all the time and wait however long. Gentlemen don't be that idot! I had another girl linds up before she was in her taxi.
On another note, people are getting nervous about the Corona Virus here. There was panic shopping in the markets last weekend even though no reported cases yet in Colombia. With all the tourists here, I'm sure it is here and like Washington state will just take a few weeks to show up. I'm thinking of cutting my month long trip short, I do not want to end up in quarentine somewhere or even worse (though it is unlikely) in a Colombian ICU. Yes I know unlikley scenarios but still many girls to shag and I'm not taking any chances.
LoverBoy1024
03-03-20, 02:17
Mind if I ask you what app you used to locate that ATM?I looked up addresses online in advance on the bank website and also closely studied google maps in the area to identify the ATMs. Following that I added the locations to a copy of google maps; my maps. They are stored on google drive.
By using google map; my map you can even create an literary and routes to follow. Hope that helps.
LoverBoy1024
03-03-20, 02:35
By using google map; my map you can even create an literary and routes to follow. Hope that helps.Itinerary and routes. I really like that you can create a plan for each day. Actually you can copy the google my map available on the forum as a starting point and then modify it to add ATMs and routes.
On another note, people are getting nervous about the Corona Virus here. There was panic shopping in the markets last weekend even though no reported cases yet in Colombia. With all the tourists here, I'm sure it is here and like Washington state will just take a few weeks to show up. I'm thinking of cutting my month long trip short, I do not want to end up in quarentine somewhere or even worse (though it is unlikely) in a Colombian ICU. Yes I know unlikley scenarios but still many girls to shag and I'm not taking any chances.It may be the other way around in that the Colombian Government today announced enhanced screening for the Counties most affected by the Coronavirus including the USA entering the Country.
So until the virus shows up in Colombia it will be easier to leave the Country versus coming into it. So I would not cut your trip short just yet unless all of a sudden there are a bunch of cases putting Colombia on a "no fly list".
AdventureSeekr
03-03-20, 03:08
I made a date with a chica for 6:30 telling her to message me at 5:45 to confirm she is ready to leave. She does and I give her my address. At 6:20 she messages me to say she finally got a taxi and is on the way. She is 30 minutes away. At 6:50 I ask her to send me her location so I can see where she is. She is still home. I tell her not to come and not to message me again, that I can not trust her. 20 minutes later I get a message from her she is in the taxi 10 minutes away. I tell her to turn around. Then we go through the usually appolgy and begging. She then begs for me to at least pay her taxi. I tell her I am no longer home and blocker her. I tell her not to 'treat the next gringo like an idiot'. Guys here will tell me this is comon. It is comon because Gringos are idiots who let the girls do this to them all the time and wait however long. Gentlemen don't be that idot! I had another girl linds up before she was in her taxi.
On another note, people are getting nervous about the Corona Virus here. There was panic shopping in the markets last weekend even though no reported cases yet in Colombia. With all the tourists here, I'm sure it is here and like Washington state will just take a few weeks to show up. I'm thinking of cutting my month long trip short, I do not want to end up in quarentine somewhere or even worse (though it is unlikely) in a Colombian ICU. Yes I know unlikley scenarios but still many girls to shag and I'm not taking any chances.Had the same thing happen and did not see the chica. I give a 30 minute window cause I understand things happen but if they haven't even left yet, that's a no go.
I just was at Exito yesterday and everything was totally stocked as normal. But I agree with you that with so many tourists, it is most definitely already here, as I am under the impression it is everywhere at this point honestly. I have two weeks left and am hoping I can finish it out and not leave early but am open to that as a necessary possibility as I have the same concerns.
Itinerary and routes. I really like that you can create a plan for each day. Actually you can copy the google my map available on the forum as a starting point and then modify it to add ATMs and routes.Bring a copy of passport and driver's license. A snap. Extra tip. Before you come buy enough Colombian money at the bank to pay the white public service taxi and to last getting to th international bank. No fee charge. But united states bank might hit you up with a loss. That's why just get enough to last til you hit international bank. On another not yellow taxis are fine. It's just a extra dollar cause meter starts at 3600.
Mojo Bandit
03-03-20, 07:30
I made a date with a chica for 6:30 telling her to message me at 5:45 to confirm she is ready to leave. She does and I give her my address. At 6:20 she messages me to say she finally got a taxi and is on the way. She is 30 minutes away. At 6:50 I ask her to send me her location so I can see where she is. because Gringos are idiots who let the girls do this to them all the time and wait however long. Gentlemen don't be that idot! I had another girl linds up before she was in her taxi.
With all the tourists here, I'm sure it is here and like Washington state will just take a few weeks to show up. I'm thinking of cutting my month long trip short, I do not want to end up in quarentine somewhere or even worse (though it is unlikely) in a Colombian ICU. Yes I know unlikley scenarios but still many girls to shag and I'm not taking any chances.And you say you gave her a whole 20 minutes before you. What do you think happen next, think she got on the Medellin wide prepago group message and spread the word that "these gringos and mad as hell and they aren't going to take it anymore" and every chica in the city decided to fall into line and be on time. If you had seriously read this forum you would know that there are many guys on this forum who have logged many trips over many years in that city, and will tell you time and time again that these chicas have a whole different perception of timing than we do. Promptness is not valued by them. Would I get frustrated if a chica is late, yes, but I also know to expect it. I get frustrated when it gets cold in the winter too, but I expect it. It is not because of idiot gringos, it is the nature of things. She does not live by the same standards of timing because it is not in her to, she most likely thinks that you are just unreasonably impatient. I learned quickly that these chicas lives are not structured in the least, they are more like a tumbleweed caught in a hurricane as JjBee62 describes below. By proving you could cause her to spend money she probably didn't have, all you proved was you could cause her to spend money she did not have. Maybe I am an idiot gringo but I don't think I can change the lifestyle and habits of a bello chica anymore than my last girlfriend who thought she could change me. Could change me.
If I want her there by 3, I'm telling her 2. If you know the rules of the game, use them to your advantage. If she's someone I have experience with, I'll cut her some slack. Things happen.
From my end, I'm sitting around picking out a woman to fuck me. From her end? She needs someone to watch the kids. Her hair needs washed. The clothes she wants to wear are dirty and she needs to pick out something else. The friend who'll watch the kids is cooking dinner and needs 15 more minutes, but takes 30, then her boyfriend shows up and she can't. Now she needs to find someone else. She needs someone to loan her 20 k for the taxi. She needs to walk 6 blocks to find a taxi. There's a wreck on the autopista.
After doing all that and spending the 20 k, she has to figure out how to get back to Bello with no money? And what do I get out of it? The satisfaction of spitting on a poor person?
I'm on vacation. I'm drinking cheap beer, eating cheap food and fucking young, beautiful women for less than I spend on a good steak dinner. Why create stress with artificial deadlines? Why punish myself, to flex my muscles at someone? Sure. I taught her a lesson. Now I get to go pick out someone else, wait 2 hours and maybe turn her away too. I could end up wasting 6 hours before having to resort to a trip to a strip club to get what I had knocking at my door.
Some girls lie about being on the way. They need the money and don't want to miss out. Frankly, most are terrible at time management. Their lives are a never ending train wreck, stumbling from one problem to the next.
Instead of screwing them and screwing myself (by turning away the woman who wants to screw me), I try to avoid the problem.
Tell her ahead of time that you need her to be on time. Give her enough time to deal with her home situation. Ask if she's certain she can be on time. "A las 3 o es 4 mejor para ti?" Let her know to keep you updated if any problems come up. Ask where she's coming from. Remind her about the traffic. Give her the opportunity to put it off until tomorrow.
Clearly she's someone you want to fuck, otherwise you wouldn't be talking with her. Find a way to make it happen.
Mr Enternational
03-03-20, 08:04
If you had seriously read this forum you would know that there are many guys on this forum who have logged many trips over many years in that city, and will tell you time and time again that these chicas have a whole different perception of timing than we do. Promptness is not valued by them. Would I get frustrated if a chica is late, yes, but I also know to expect it. I get frustrated when it gets cold in the winter too, but I expect it.If you do not teach them then they will never learn. You can change someone's way of thinking, but you can't change the weather. You don't think that if not anything else but having to pay that wasted taxi so many times they would learn to be on time? I do. If a chick makes me waste my money I can always get more of that, but if a chick makes me waste my time then I am just ass out on that front. They will learn to be on time when it starts costing them money as in his case.
I made a date with a chica for 6:30 telling her to message me at 5:45 to confirm she is ready to leave. She does and I give her my address. At 6:20 she messages me to say she finally got a taxi and is on the way. She is 30 minutes away. At 6:50 I ask her to send me her location so I can see where she is. She is still home. I tell her not to come and not to message me again, that I can not trust her. 20 minutes later I get a message from her she is in the taxi 10 minutes away. I tell her to turn around. Then we go through the usually appolgy and begging. She then begs for me to at least pay her taxi. I tell her I am no longer home and blocker her. I tell her not to 'treat the next gringo like an idiot'. Guys here will tell me this is comon. It is comon because Gringos are idiots who let the girls do this to them all the time and wait however long. Gentlemen don't be that idot! I had another girl linds up before she was in her taxi.
.............I totally accept this approach. Too many mongers allow shit from the girls leading them to totally have no respect for mongers. The more mongers do like you the less these girls will give us BS. It appears that mongers believe that they must take BS to empty their balls, I disagree; I think my money is good enough.
My definition of Heaven: two 18-year-old smoking hot FB girls from 2 pm until 11:30 pm, Gusto from 12:00 am until 4 am (Thursday. Saturday), another threesome with two 18-year-old FB from 4 - 10 am. What's above heaven? A legit message from a super hot Paisa between 11 am and 2 pm.
Thank you, Jjbee and GeneHackman, for the excellent recommendation of legit massage place in Poblado. As promised, I'm reporting back on my experience in Centro Comercial areío Sur.
To be honest, I had my reservations about massage parlors in Medellin. Latinos are not known to give good messages; furthermore, given that I'm from the you. S, I always have this tinted image of a 40-year-old butt ugly Asian lady who offers an OK massage for 65 dollars an hour and demands a 25 dollar tip. To put things in perspective, in the you. S, if those grandmas in the typical massage parlor are willing to give me 200 dollars so they can give me a handjob, I will turn them down immediately. So far, Medellin has surprised me in every way, so I looked forward to trying the legit massage place.
The areío Sur building is packed with beauty salons and massage palors. The first floor is under renovation right now; you have to walk up to the second floor to take the elevator up to higher levels. A massage place called "El Garage Spa 4 man" is on the third floor, "Om Spa for Man" on the fourth floor, and both Zen and Dharma are on the fifth floor. I have tried all of them, sometimes multiple rounds per day. They are about the same in both concept and style. Based on my experience, Garage has the best decor, and Zen has the prettiest girls. Here is my typical experience:
I walk in with google translate, explain to them I need a strong massage. The girl at the front desk will take me into one of the rooms, and ask me to take off all my clothes. She will offer to bring me a drink; the drink selections are whiskey, wine, beer, and water. I always pick whiskey. At Garage, they pour the whiskey over a shaved spherical ice, which is a nice touch. The facility is clean and comfortable; they always dim the light in the room and light up a candle or two. As I strip down naked, lying face down on the massage table, my masseuse will show up with my whiskey. It is a bit awkward trying to drink the whiskey while naked on a massage table.
After I had my drink of whiskey, my masseuse will proceed with a very decent massage. Most of them give a high-quality massage, definitely not as good as the ones you can find in Thailand or Malaysia. Still, it is a very relaxing and enjoyable experience. All of them tried to give me a happy ending, and some practically begged me to do it.
What made the whole experience divine are the girls! The average look of the girls in Zen must be a Medellin 7; I had a few Medellin 9's wanting to give me a handjob. Despite the number of other options I have in Medellin, I always hopelessly agree. The girls in most of the massage places in the areío Sur building are on the older side, from the mid-20's to mid-40's. However, 60% of them are very hot! They can easily top a super hot girl in a typical strip joint in the USA Even the older masseuse in their 30's and 40's are beautiful. While giving me the handjob, most of them will strip down to their panties, and offer DFK. They let me suck on their tits and squeeze their pussy while worshiping my cock. Hell, most of my massage experience in Rio Sur surpasses the average encounter in the casa Energy.
A one-hour massage cost about 100-120 k, handjob cost another 50 k. It is a bit pricy by Medellin standard, given that I can get an 18-year-old FB girl for 2-3 hours for 200 k, but the experience is worth it. I also tried the four-hand massage in Om; 180 is the base price, I didn't take the four-hand handjob offer, I don't think it is worth it.
If you do not teach them then they will never learn. You can change someone's way of thinking, but you can't change the weather. You don't think that if not anything else but having to pay that wasted taxi so many times they would learn to be on time? I do. If a chick makes me waste my money I can always get more of that, but if a chick makes me waste my time then I am just ass out on that front. They will learn to be on time when it starts costing them money as in his case.But they won't learn. It would be great if they did, but it's simply not going to happen. Each instructor I had at EAFIT, for my Spanish classes, joked repeatedly about the Paisa lack of time sense. One, who was originally from Bogota, showed up late one day and made a comment about becoming a Paisa.
This has been their way of life since before they could walk. A few hundred gringos aren't going to change the habits of a few thousand chicas.
I tried it, not only with a few chicas, but with all of the webcam models. All I accomplished was to raise my stress level.
Instead, I changed my attitude. Certainly, the situation is different for the guys who need to nail 4 chicas every day. They're on a tight schedule. They've got deadlines to meet. I can't bear to think of the catastrophe if they only get in 3 girls one day.
Me? I'm on vacation. My only deadline is the time on my ticket home. I've got 15-16 hours each day available. Why spend half my time fretting over something I can't change? I work around their schedule, instead of trying to force them to follow mine. I also, if there's any doubt, pick a place where I can relax and enjoy myself while waiting.
I totally accept this approach. Too many mongers allow shit from the girls leading them to totally have no respect for mongers. The more mongers do like you the less these girls will give us BS. It appears that mongers believe that they must take BS to empty their balls, I disagree; I think my money is good enough.Do you honestly believe that's how you earn respect? For anyone who served in the military, think about the people who you respected the most. Were they the ones who were always yelling about everything? The ones just looking for a chance to chew someone's ass? Or were they the ones who made you feel appreciated?
At least in the Navy, your method of earning respect guaranteed at some point you were going to be drinking urine, from a cup that several guys had rimmed.
You don't have to take BS. Manage the situation. Find out her schedule. Allow some flexibility. Maintain communication. State your scheduling requirements. If you want her there at 7, because you've got someone else coming at 10, let her know.
Works like a charm but make sure they understand the agreement beforehand.
Use the Google Clock as the judge not her phone clock.
AdventureSeekr
03-03-20, 19:16
Day 7.
Nothing to report here. Woke up with a bad headache, tried to sleep it off. Wasn't working so went to find a masseuse. Stomach becomes a bit upset, may have a slight fever too, not ideal. Just letting you know that something is going around. I think someone mentioned a few days ago they had a stomach flu here.
All the spa's had mixed reviews and I really needed something that was going to be therapeutic, not a rub down. Ended up finding Alexander who is a mobile masseuse. Luckily he had someone pull a no show and he was 5 minutes away. 60 minutes for 70 k. It was a mix between chiropractic, massage and acupressure. Even though there were some moments that were very painful, he didn't shy away from it, apologized and said it needed to be done. Very unique technique and it helped tremendously. I did feel A LOT better after.
Tried to make a cita at night but it was already late and the timing wasn't working out so went to bed early.
Day 8.
Woke up and needed a cita bad. Feeling low energy, and again might have had low grade fever over the night, but it passed quickly. Not sure what I have, but its something and it's also mild, so far. Impossible to tell where I may have picked it up at this point.
First one to respond was Maria. About an 8 in her photos but something about her just got me curious. She gets here in about an hour and a half from when we first spoke which is pretty good. We agree to two hours, two pops, oral natural completo. Same thing I want in every cita. 200 k plus taxi.
She shows up and is taller than I thought, she looked super petite in her photos but she's more like 5'7' and not nearly as pretty as her photos make her look. Well, it is what it is at this point. She takes a shower and lays down on the bed, she has a fantastic butt and perky small tits. I like her assets, but she just could have been more presentable. She's a bit shy and initiates. Turns out her BBBJ is awesome, thank god. Really putting in effort, going deep constantly, good gentle attention to the balls and it doesn't take long for my to explode in her mouth. No rush to pull off, she continues to lick and kiss gently. Solid BJ, I'm happy. This is one of my favorite things.
We lay on the bed and chat for 30 minutes until I'm ready to go again. She's laying on the bed flat with her legs closed and I come in from behind. She can move that ass! Wow, she's not a looker but she knows how to provide service, damn. She rides me for awhile, then we switch to reverse cowgirl and from this position, all I can see is her long hair and her fat fantastic butt riding me hard. Well, at least from the back, I love this view. Super intense orgasm again and she just keeps riding until I have to tell her to chill out.
Not sure how to rate her because I really wasn't attracted and she's not my type but her service is honestly pretty damn good. No complaints whatsoever on the service. I doubt I'll see her again as there are just too many other gorgeous chicas here, and I'm searching to create a small stable of absolute gems that have the full package, she doesn't make the cut for that.
Probably only stayed an hour and a half but totally good by me, no need to stay any longer. Its only 1 pm. Now to figure out what to do with the rest of the day.
AdventureSeekr
03-03-20, 19:52
My definition of Heaven: two 18-year-old smoking hot FB girls from 2 pm until 11:30 pm, Gusto from 12:00 am until 4 am (Thursday. Saturday), another threesome with two 18-year-old FB from 4 - 10 am. What's above heaven? A legit message from a super hot Paisa between 11 am and 2 pm. So you literally do not sleep when you are here?
This is the third time I have posted this report but its important.
Some years ago I was in Vancouver looking for pussy. I picked up a beautiful blond and off we go to my motel. In my room I pulled out 2 Hams beers from on top of my AC unit and we enjoy a beer and snacks and conversation before the deed. Out of nowhere she stands up and says I just can't do this. Sorry but I must go. I didn't have much of a chance to say anything and out the door she goes. The last thing she says is I will make my own way back to the city. WOW I ask myself what did I do wrong. OK so here me and Spike sit. Then out of no were there she is knocking on my door. I open the door and she says I really need the money, can we finish our beer first. Whats a guy to do. So in she comes and now she is unbuttoning her top. Oh lord, lets finish these drinks. Were right back were we were just a short time ago. We are laughing, joking, having a nice time when out of no were she stands up and says you son of the***** you changed beers with me. She staggers her way to the door, out she goes but don't forget we are on the second floor. So down the steps she staggers banging her nice, pretty butt on both sides as she descends. She almost made it but 2 steps from the bottom down she goes. So with that out of the car parked nearby comes a rather large black guy and hes helping her to the back seat of his car. Once in the car, my pretty blond disappears, or should I say passes out. This may be my first experience with this kind of robbery set up. I spent much time in Europe before it became too expensive. I would love to hear from other members on there experiences or their habits to avoid this situation.
Mojo Bandit
03-03-20, 20:53
If you do not teach them then they will never learn. You can change someone's way of thinking, but you can't change the weather. You don't think that if not anything else but having to pay that wasted taxi so many times they would learn to be on time? I do. If a chick makes me waste my money I can always get more of that, but if a chick makes me waste my time then I am just ass out on that front. They will learn to be on time when it starts costing them money as in his case.If the weather was a bad analogy then think of it this way, if you yell at her enough times in English, do you think she is going to learn English? Maybe, and I mean maybe, if you try this experiment with the same chica enough times, she might be able to be on time for you, but it's not going to change their nature.
Mojo Bandit
03-03-20, 20:59
Use the Google Clock as the judge not her phone clock.What is the Google Clock?
One thing I hate about the tardiness is I never say can you be here in a hour, and then she says yes, and of course she is late because she wanted the date, but knew a hour wasn't enough. The way I do it, when I deal with a girl directly or an agency, is I ask them what time do you want to come tonight, and you hope she gives you a time that gives her enough time to get ready and uber over. After she gives me a time, if she is 10 minutes late I ask her how far away are you, at that point I will leave if it's "I just left sorry". I will cancel right there and tell her come tomorrow night I'm not waiting anymore.
You don't have to take BS. Manage the situation. Find out her schedule. Allow some flexibility. Maintain communication. State your scheduling requirements. If you want her there at 7, because you've got someone else coming at 10, let her know.I agree with Mr. E and Turgid on their thoughts on this matter, and you as well.
Whenever I set up an appointment with one of my El Centro regulars I always inform them that they cannot be late as I will not tolerate it, but I do at times. If they are not on time, and haven't called me with a legitimate excuse and won't be more than 30 minutes late, I tell them I am not available. So after they have missed a pay day, and have been benched, they now pretty much show up on time.
For others, some of which that I schedule a day or too out, I am much more flexible as things come up regarding their kids or whomever (boyfriend).
Guys would have less problems with Chicas being late, especially with regulars who are repeat offenders by, 1) benching them when they are going to be late thereby missing a payday, and 2) communicating your expectations as you have outlined. Whether it be an El Centro Chica, or a FayBoo Chica, missing a payday is huge for them. For a Fayboo Chica who gets say 200 K, that's basically 4 days pay at the minimum wage.
I understand Colombians are typically late, and lot of guys who set up a meeting for 2 PM are thrilled if they show up by 3 PM, but I believe once a Chica has missed a payday, at least with someone who has communicated very clear what their expectations are, they will be more punctual. This is what I have experienced.
PunkedLife
03-03-20, 23:47
And you say you gave her a whole 20 minutes before you. What do you think happen next, think she got on the Medellin wide prepago group message and spread the word that "these gringos and mad as hell and they aren't going to take it anymore" and every chica in the city decided to fall into line and be on time. If you had seriously read this forum you would know that there are many guys on this forum who have logged many trips over many years in that city, and will tell you time and time again that these chicas have a whole different perception of timing than we do. Promptness is not valued by them. Would I get frustrated if a chica is late, yes, but I also know to expect it. I get frustrated when it gets cold in the winter too, but I expect it. It is not because of idiot gringos, it is the nature of things. She does not live by the same standards of timing because it is not in her to, she most likely thinks that you are just unreasonably impatient. I learned quickly that these chicas lives are not structured in the least, they are more like a tumbleweed caught in a hurricane as JjBee62 describes below. By proving you could cause her to spend money she probably didn't have, all you proved was you could cause her to spend money she did not have. Maybe I am an idiot gringo but I don't think I can change the lifestyle and habits of a bello chica anymore than my last girlfriend who thought she could change me. Could change me.Yes time management is something they need to work on but no point in stressing over this. What I can't stand is the fact that they feel like they can waste your time but the minute you waste their time it's the end of the world. I guess that comes with the territory when fucking with the spoiled ones. For example the first time I met Angie Munoz she was like an HR late but I didn't sweat it mainly because that's what I had been told to prepare for plus this is common ni matter what city you visit. But I had a second appointment booked with her and she waited until an HR before our appointment to tell me that she isn't coming. And that's after I texted her. I can imagine that if I didn't text her she probably would have just not shown up. Anyways I set up a third appointment with her the following day and I guess she was on time which I wasn't really expecting. I got caught up in centro and was in a taxi when she asked for my room number. So when I told her that she got all pissed off talking about that's a lack of respect and I'm wasting her time. She even initially blocked me and then unblocked me it seems because one of my messages never reached her but the message immediately after did. And I just thought that was very hypocritical. So I won't be repeating with her. She is good but I've found someone on another level entirely. And I'll be keeping this one around for sure. And that's the thing they don't understand is that they are easily replaceable. But then again someone like her won't be hurting because she seems to be very popular. She had an appointment scheduled before my second appointment with her and several after me. I highly doubt she canceled all her appointments due to a hangover like she told me. I'm sure some other guy offered her more than I was willing to pay.
I agree with Mr. E and Turgid on their thoughts on this matter, and you as well.
Whenever I set up an appointment with one of my El Centro regulars I always inform them that they cannot be late as I will not tolerate it, but I do at times. If they are not on time, and haven't called me with a legitimate excuse and won't be more than 30 minutes late, I tell them I am not available. So after they have missed a pay day, and have been benched, they now pretty much show up on time.
For others, some of which that I schedule a day or too out, I am much more flexible as things come up regarding their kids or whomever (boyfriend).
Guys would have less problems with Chicas being late, especially with regulars who are repeat offenders by, 1) benching them when they are going to be late thereby missing a payday, and 2) communicating your expectations as you have outlined. Whether it be an El Centro Chica, or a FayBoo Chica, missing a payday is huge for them. For a Fayboo Chica who gets say 200 K, that's basically 4 days pay at the minimum wage.
I understand Colombians are typically late, and lot of guys who set up a meeting for 2 PM are thrilled if they show up by 3 PM, but I believe once a Chica has missed a payday, at least with someone who has communicated very clear what their expectations are, they will be more punctual. This is what I have experienced.Certainly. For those of us who have a collection of girls who we regularly see, there's no need to tolerate someone who is chronically late.
For the guys without a stable, or who only want new girls, it doesn't work. She's not going to learn from the experience and the next guy will probably have the same problem. And the monger will likely keep experiencing the same issue.
The goal is supposed to be getting laid. Whatever source you use, maximize your return by controlling the situation. When someone walks away from a session without getting laid, they've lost as much as the girl. We spent money to fly there, money to sleep and eat there, money to leave our car in a parking lot. Now we're spending half our time getting angry? I can go to work and do that.
If you're making an appointment, remember she has a lot more issues to deal with than you. Don't try to set up something last minute. It rarely works with your friends at home, why think it will be any different in another country? Try it sometime. Thursday night, 8:30 pm, call a friend and ask him to meet you at a strip club at 9:15. If he's got a wife, kids, girlfriend, dog, job, etc, he's not going to show.
Plan ahead. Find out when they can be there. If she can be there at 7, tell her 7 is perfect and plan on 8. Hit her up at 6 and see if any issues have come up. Hit her up again at 7. Meanwhile, enjoy your dinner, have a drink, catch up on email and chat up the girls you want for tomorrow. Chances are she'll be at your door between 7:45 and 8:30. You really didn't lose any time and you can enjoy yourself.
Meanwhile she's happy. She gets paid and she doesn't have to deal with an angry confrontation. Happy chicas tend to give better service.
Mojo Bandit
03-04-20, 04:25
This is the third time I have posted this report but its important.
We are laughing, joking, having a nice time when out of no were she stands up and says you son of the***** you changed beers with me.
So with that out of the car parked nearby comes a rather large black guy and hes helping her to the back seat of his car. Once in the car, my pretty blond disappears, or should I say passes out. This may be my first experience with this kind of robbery set up. I spent much time in Europe before it became too expensive. I would love to hear from other members on there experiences or their habits to avoid this situation.I get that you are saying that you would have gotten robbed if you had drank the beer that was meant for you? But fate had it that she ended up with beer that was spiked with the knock out drug?
Mojo Bandit
03-04-20, 04:43
So when I told her that she got all pissed off talking about that's a lack of respect and I'm wasting her time. She even initially blocked me and then unblocked me it seems because one of my messages never reached her but the message immediately after did. I can't argue with you, that is hypocritical.
So you literally do not sleep when you are here?I do sleep, just not alone.
This is the third time I have posted this report but its important.
Some years ago I was in Vancouver looking for pussy. I picked up a beautiful blond and off we go to my motel. In my room I pulled out 2 Hams beers from on top of my AC unit and we enjoy a beer and snacks and conversation before the deed. Out of nowhere she stands up and says I just can't do this. Sorry but I must go. LOL, had to read twice before I got the "robbery" bit. Hopefully, it was a memorable experience for her.
This is the third time I have posted this report but its important.
Some years ago I was in Vancouver looking for pussy. I picked up a beautiful blond and off we go to my motel. In my room I pulled out 2 Hams beers from on top of my AC unit and we enjoy a beer and snacks and conversation before the deed. Out of nowhere she stands up and says I just can't do this. Sorry but I must go. I didn't have much of a chance to say anything and out the door she goes. The last thing she says is I will make my own way back to the city. WOW I ask myself what did I do wrong. OK so here me and Spike sit. Then out of no were there she is knocking on my door. I open the door and she says I really need the money, can we finish our beer first. Whats a guy to do. So in she comes and now she is unbuttoning her top. Oh lord, lets finish these drinks. Were right back were we were just a short time ago. We are laughing, joking, having a nice time when out of no were she stands up and says you son of the***** you changed beers with me. She staggers her way to the door, out she goes but don't forget we are on the second floor. So down the steps she staggers banging her nice, pretty butt on both sides as she descends. She almost made it but 2 steps from the bottom down she goes. So with that out of the car parked nearby comes a rather large black guy and hes helping her to the back seat of his car. Once in the car, my pretty blond disappears, or should I say passes out. This may be my first experience with this kind of robbery set up. I spent much time in Europe before it became too expensive. I would love to hear from other members on there experiences or their habits to avoid this situation.I'm confused. When did she spike the beer. You pulled them out and gave it to her. Did you walk away for a bit and then she spiked it. How did you switch them in front of her.
Do you honestly believe that's how you earn respect? For anyone who served in the military, think about the people who you respected the most. Were they the ones who were always yelling about everything? The ones just looking for a chance to chew someone's ass? Or were they the ones who made you feel appreciated?
At least in the Navy, your method of earning respect guaranteed at some point you were going to be drinking urine, from a cup that several guys had rimmed.
You don't have to take BS. Manage the situation. Find out her schedule. Allow some flexibility. Maintain communication. State your scheduling requirements. If you want her there at 7, because you've got someone else coming at 10, let her know.Americans take a lot of crap from the girls that's why the chicas don't respect them. Why do you think American women are the snottiest in the world? Because American men would eat their shit to try to boink them. Do you think the chicas would do the same thing to Colombian men? Hell no, they'll be on time.
I don't mind a girl being late. If we make an arrangement at 10.00 am to meet at 4. 00 pm and 4. 00 pm comes and you tell me you are in a taxi 20 minutes away, no worries. If half an hour after that I call and you say sorry you are about to leave home I say f..k that BS and have nothing more to do with her. Its a pity that American men accustomed to American women's haughtiness will put their tail between their legs and tell the chicas "okay honey" just because they're hoping get some tail.
As for apps, Duolingo is the best app I have found. It has a free version and an paid that works offline. It is designed for anyone (any idiot like me) it builds you up slowly from simple to complex sentences. .Thanks for the recommendation. Duolingo is incredible, I've downloaded it, and I currently spend about 1.5 hours a day on it. Little did I know, after spending 70+ days in Medellin in the last six months, I picked up quite a bit of Spanish already.
If you want to spend money, buy Rocket Spanish program. I bought the third level (last level) because I had already gained a lot of progress, but you might start the first level. Great program, but a little expensive at 150 a level.
Takes time. But so fucking worth it.Thank you so much for your advice. I don't mind spending some money to learning Spanish, and I will give Rocket's Spanish program a try, probably start with the trial version. I am debating between getting a private tutor, attend a group class, and assign up for an online tutor program. Regardless of which option I choose, I will keep practice daily on Duolingo.
For the members that say Colombian men don't put up with tardiness from the girls. How do you know this. Seems like a blanket statement. I imagine they are late with everyone. I have Mongered in many countries and girls are always late period. It's not a American guy thing. Do you guys poll Colombian guys to come to this conclusion. I grew up with sisters and they always hogged the bathroom for hours. It's just a girl thing, and you combine the fact they are hookers and want to say yes to whatever time you say makes it worse. When I was in Brazil all the Brazilian guys said Brazilian girls are always late. They would tell me subtract a minimum of 30 minutes from the actual time you want them there.
Americans take a lot of crap from the girls that's why the chicas don't respect them. Why do you think American women are the snottiest in the world? Because American men would eat their shit to try to boink them. Do you think the chicas would do the same thing to Colombian men? Hell no, they'll be on time.
I don't mind a girl being late. If we make an arrangement at 10.00 am to meet at 4. 00 pm and 4. 00 pm comes and you tell me you are in a taxi 20 minutes away, no worries. If half an hour after that I call and you say sorry you are about to leave home I say f..k that BS and have nothing more to do with her. Its a pity that American men accustomed to American women's haughtiness will put their tail between their legs and tell the chicas "okay honey" just because they're hoping get some tail.You have to manage your expectations. I don't think it has anything to do with being an American; it is just common sense. Most of the girls I see are between 18 - 21; there is no way they can think like someone in their 30's. Being punctual and professional is the last thing they care about at that age. If an 18-year-old is overly obsessed about punctuality and professionalism, then I don't want to spend time with her. In my experience, it's much easier to run a quick and simple analysis in your head to predict their actual arrival time than trying to change the behavior of an 18-21-year-old. Open communication helps, talk to them, check their status, you can quickly tell whether they are juggling between multiple guys they are banging or truly stuck in traffic.
If you treat them well and get them to like you, you can let them know that you hate tardiness; next time, they will prioritize you over other things. The older I get, the more I realize that flexing your muscles at an 18-year-old often will not get you what you want. You are on vacation, tranquilo, don't let a few teenage girls push you into stereotyping.
Mr Enternational
03-04-20, 11:51
We are laughing, joking, having a nice time when out of no were she stands up and says you son of the***** you changed beers with me.I sure hope you said, Damn right I did!
Charm City Dave
03-04-20, 14:05
And you say you gave her a whole 20 minutes before you.Clearly you have reading comprehension problems. She was over an hour late and lied to me about already being in a taxi for 30 minutes. She sent me several messages saying she was on her way when she had not left yet. I expect the girls to be about 30 minutes late, I plan for that. But more than an hour late combined with lying about being in taxi for 30 minutes is beyond my tolerance. It should be beyond anyones with a shred of self respect. I had a regular who started showing up progressively later. That one was warned. After she arrived to an empty appartment and had to cover her taxi, she was never late again.
Americans take a lot of crap from the girls that's why the chicas don't respect them. Why do you think American women are the snottiest in the world? Because American men would eat their shit to try to boink them. Do you think the chicas would do the same thing to Colombian men? Hell no, they'll be on time.
I don't mind a girl being late. If we make an arrangement at 10.00 am to meet at 4. 00 pm and 4. 00 pm comes and you tell me you are in a taxi 20 minutes away, no worries. If half an hour after that I call and you say sorry you are about to leave home I say f..k that BS and have nothing more to do with her. Its a pity that American men accustomed to American women's haughtiness will put their tail between their legs and tell the chicas "okay honey" just because they're hoping get some tail.It appears you are confused about the meaning of respect. 99% of these girls have no respect for you, me or any other monger. They're showing up to do a job, usually for a complete stranger. You can treat them like shit, or you can treat them like a queen and you'll end up with the same amount of respect. The bottom line is did you pay? If so, then they'll decide whether it's worth seeing you again. Nothing to do with respect, just her evaluation of the work environment.
You honestly think the Colombian girls are showing up on time for the Colombian men? LOL! The Colombian men know that 9:30 means 11:00. Paisas being late has zero to do with gringos. It's the national pasttime. It doesn't matter what type of appointment you're trying to make. They're not going to be on time. Talk to some of the gringos running businesses in Colombia. The clock means almost nothing to them.
I always get some "tail" when I want. No hoping required. I also rarely have any problems with girls being late, even though girls are always late. It's simple. I understand how things work. I don't try to change an entire country to meet my needs. I don't set myself to get pissed off and fail to succeed at the sole reason why I traveled to the country.
I'll repeat it again. Work into their schedule, instead of working them into your schedule. Adjust your expectations to fit their reality. Surely you've been around women at some point in your life. What does it mean when a woman (any nationality) tells you "I'll be ready in 5 minutes?" It means, sit down and get comfortable, you've got at least 20 minutes to kill. If you tell her to meet you at a restaurant at 9 pm, she's not walking in until 9:15. Colombians are no different. Set something up for 4 pm, when a taxi is going to take 30-45 minutes to get to you and she's still not walking out the door until 4:15. Very few of them will ever think about the travel time or traffic.
If you know she's not leaving until 4:15 for your 4 pm appointment, then why hold the unreasonable expectation that she'll be at your door at 4:20 or 4:30? Set your appointment at 3 and she'll be there between 4 and 4:30. Set it for 4 and she'll arrive between 5 and 5:30. Tell her one time and expect the other. Consider it a different time zone, if that helps.
Is your method working? How often do you have an issue with a girl being seriously late, or telling her not to bother coming? How often do you have to resort to a backup plan? What's the average wait time for plan "be" to arrive?
My method works for me over 90% of the time. I don't have to scramble to find a replacement. I don't have to wait for the replacement. I don't have to deal with finding a replacement for the replacement, because she's not going to be on time either.
For the guys without a stable, or who only want new girls, it doesn't work. She's not going to learn from the experience and the next guy will probably have the same problem. And the monger will likely keep experiencing the same issue.
If you're making an appointment, remember she has a lot more issues to deal with than you. Don't try to set up something last minute. It rarely works with your friends at home, why think it will be any different in another country? Try it sometime. Thursday night, 8:30 pm, call a friend and ask him to meet you at a strip club at 9:15. If he's got a wife, kids, girlfriend, dog, job, etc, he's not going to show.
Plan ahead. Find out when they can be there. If she can be there at 7, tell her 7 is perfect and plan on 8. Hit her up at 6 and see if any issues have come up. Hit her up again at 7. Meanwhile, enjoy your dinner, have a drink, catch up on email and chat up the girls you want for tomorrow. Chances are she'll be at your door between 7:45 and 8:30. You really didn't lose any time and you can enjoy yourself.
Meanwhile she's happy. She gets paid and she doesn't have to deal with an angry confrontation. Happy chicas tend to give better service.Everybody rolls different and has a different tolerance level in how they personally deal with Chicas being on time. For some, like yourself, if a Chica arrives an hour or too late, no problem. But for others like myself, that doesn't work for me, and others on this board.
You have a lot of patience, which is commendable, and supports how you roll. Some guys have quotas or so many girls they have to see in a day, so a late Chica is going to effect how they roll, where as for you it's not a problem.
The topic was how to deal with late Chica's for timely encounters, and perhaps there is no simple solution, but I suspect the Mongers with strong Spanish communication skills like yourself being an EAFIT Alumni like myself will be much more successful than those relying on translators in having their Chicas be more punctual.
Clearly you have reading comprehension problems. She was over an hour late and lied to me about already being in a taxi for 30 minutes. She sent me several messages saying she was on her way when she had not left yet. I expect the girls to be about 30 minutes late, I plan for that. But more than an hour late combined with lying about being in taxi for 30 minutes is beyond my tolerance. It should be beyond anyones with a shred of self respect. I had a regular who started showing up progressively later. That one was warned. After she arrived to an empty appartment and had to cover her taxi, she was never late again.Yep, once you bench them and they miss a pay day, guess what, they are like a Swiss Clock.
Paisas being late has zero to do with gringos. It's the national pasttime. It doesn't matter what type of appointment you're trying to make. They're not going to be on time. Talk to some of the gringos running businesses in Colombia. The clock means almost nothing to them.My experience is different, in a professional environment, all of my paisa colleagues are very punctual.
ChuchoLoco
03-04-20, 19:09
do you honestly think the Colombian girls are showing up on time for the Colombian men? LOL! The Colombian men know that 9:30 means 11:00. Paisas being late has zero to do with gringos. It's the national pasttime. It doesn't matter what type of appointment you're trying to make. They're not going to be on time. Talk to some of the gringos running businesses in Colombia. The clock means almost nothing to them.
I don't try to change an entire country to meet my needs. I don't set myself to get pissed off and fail to succeed at the sole reason why I traveled to the country.You are so right JjBee! It's their way of life and it's not our mission to change their ways. It's hard for short timers to get used to it but after a while you either get used to it or accept it. If we changed them all to our lifestyles, they'd become American Women and nobody wants that.
To each his own but don't think you will or should change what is part of their culture.
My experience is different, in a professional environment, all of my paisa colleagues are very punctual.An over generalization on my part. In your professional environment, you're probably dealing with estrato 5 and 6, with an occasional 4. In the mongering environment we're seeing estrato 1 and 2 with an occasional 3. The estrato 6 webcam model I worked with was quite dependable.
SlapShot10
03-04-20, 20:18
Has anyone stayed here, or heard any positive / negative reviews from a personal friend that has? Specifically, if it is girl-friendly? It looks nice, decent location, price is ok, but I see a lot of women leaving reviews, which leads me to believe there could potentially be issues with guests.
If you treat them well and get them to like you, you can let them know that you hate tardiness; next time, they will prioritize you over other things. The older I get, the more I realize that flexing your muscles at an 18-year-old often will not get you what you want. You are on vacation, tranquilo, don't let a few teenage girls push you into stereotyping.I agree here with SJobs here.
I've been dealing with Colombianas for over 20 years now.
Whether it's respect for you or if they just like you, they will most definitely try / communicate better as far as their arrival punctuality, and everything else as well.
I disagree with the thought from another post that no matter how well you treat them, they will not respect you.
I've found just the opposite actually.
Don't be a fool of course, but a little empathy goes a long way.
Of course when dealing with a new girl, you can articulate your arrival expectations to her, however, her being an unknown, you just really don't know.
If she exceeds your tolerances or continues to lie, I'm with the guys that just cut it loose and move on.
Depends on as well, your desire to see this particular girl, on how much youll put up with.
Flexibility is good, but there are definitely limits.
Regardless of the culture, after a few missed paydays, she will most likely learn.
Unless of course she's some high demand chica who has multiple guys after her and feels she can do as she pleases, and I really avoid that type anyway.
I made a date with a chica for 6:30 telling her to message me at 5:45 to confirm she is ready to leave. She does and I give her my address. At 6:20 she messages me to say she finally got a taxi and is on the way. She is 30 minutes away. At 6:50 I ask her to send me her location so I can see where she is. She is still home. I tell her not to come and not to message me again, that I can not trust her. 20 minutes later I get a message from her she is in the taxi 10 minutes away. I tell her to turn around. Then we go through the usually appolgy and begging. She then begs for me to at least pay her taxi. I tell her I am no longer home and blocker her. I tell her not to 'treat the next gringo like an idiot'. Guys here will tell me this is comon. It is comon because Gringos are idiots who let the girls do this to them all the time and wait however long. Gentlemen don't be that idot! I had another girl linds up before she was in her taxi. Look back in hindsight. I wonder if it's better to keep the date and get her to agree to accept some form of penalty, like paying for taxi, more time, or a rate reduction. This will achieve the goal of teaching her a lesson if she agrees.
I think she may not get the part about idiot gringo because that is not the reason she was late. She may even think it's a crazy gringo and learn nothing because she does not know you.
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