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It all depends on where you are and the time of day. Even oligarchs wear ties during the day.
I hit Kiev in 2004, spent probably 3-4 years in total in Ukraine and have about 1200 names and numbers in my Ukrainian mobile phone, please do tell me how it really is.
I happen to be the president of a corporation and I dress usually with suit or at least a blazer, nice pants and wear a tie. A girl explained to me that the real rich men in this part of the world DO NOT wear a tie. The people who work for them wear ties. The rich (called oligarchs here) can afford a more casual look. The bottom line, if you dress up to impress, as we do in the West, it is interpreted here (I am in Kiev now) as a want to be.
My success must be unique to me.
See you at the club with the Afflication shirt and bling on.
BTW - pleats are currently back in fashion, although it was never a look I liked.
Well, depends of the suit. An 1500€ Roberto Cavalli, Pal Zileri or Zegna suit (slim cut, straight pants, two buttons, ect) and a 500$ out of date three buttons suit with pleat-front pants (or worse, cuffs) are two very different things. Slavic girls are VERY fashion-conscious and are very good at jauging what you wear (and very fast to write you off if they judge that you are cheap and has-been).
Recently I bumped into the photo galleries of the famous "romance tours in Ukraine" organized for yanks by Anastasia dot com (or something alike) and I ROTFLOL just to see how most of the guys were dressed, that is with outmoded and cheap suits.
Anyway, I don't imagine myself wearing a suit in a club, but as usual, to each its own.
I generally have one of my girls call one of the various taxi dispatchers for me.
Otherwise I try to keep it to under 30uah in the center. If one taxi is too high just say no and go to the next.
Look. Plese do not do this! Learn Russian numbers for taxi, do NEVER pay more than 50 unless going to the airport!
We need to keep it real, so HELP, all of you!
Spoken like someone with his sights set on average. Enjoy.
Sad to see how so many here are discussing how to impress on the females with these shoes or that brand of clothes. Sure it is fine to dress well and feel like a winner, but get some self esteem guys. A monthly salary for a teacher is 200 USD. No need to wear Armani unless your ego needs this to be able to talk to a girl. And of you are trying to impress prostitutes with your clothes, you are in serious need of some coaching.
Either I was warped to another Ukraine, or guys here believe all the shit these girls try to fill them with. Take command and be a positive and interesting guy, and you can wear almost whatever you wish and still meet great girls. ISG is the place where men create fantasy versions of a country, and the need to qualify for the females are always an ingredient in every fantasy incarnation I see.
Member #4491
05-15-12, 02:53
Spoken like someone with his sights set on average. Enjoy.CD, try to see beyond you own need to come across as a winner in every post you make, and read what I am actually writing. A looser in a suit is still a looser. Most women will choose a self secure man / winner rather than a well dressed looser. Powerful DNA and self distance prevails. Only the females with equally corrupt and weak egos will stare herself blind on the brand of the suit. Real quality females will rarely fall for the cheap expensive suit trick (especially not if you look outside the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor sheit holes of this globe). Where a man has collected the 1200 numbers is irrelevant if one can see the bigger picture / patterns. I guess it all depends on how you define "average". Most men are pathetic in their anxious and vain need to impress (mostly themselves).
I agree that a bad dressed looser is perhaps the absolute worst combination for scoring pretty girls. And to dress well will rarely hurt the cause, even though Prosal has a point about being the club clown. Females are attracted to recourses (financial, intellectual etc). If you project an image of controlling resources by any mean, they will be attracted to you. The most impressive resource controller is perhaps a humoristic, financially independent and intelligent man with a good portion of self distance, yet in touch with the monkey that will f*ck her like the female she is. Or is this just my own vanity speaking?
All the best from Barba (who did not wear jeans since the mid 90s)
Member #4491
05-15-12, 02:59
Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.
B.
DoctorOral
05-15-12, 07:44
I can test her for you. Tonight, if you want! PM me with details, I will post or PM you my report.
Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.
B.
BTW - pleats are currently back in fashion.You must be attempting humour here.
Sad to see how so many here are discussing how to impress on the females with these shoes or that brand of clothes. Sure it is fine to dress well and feel like a winner, but get some self esteem guys. A monthly salary for a teacher is 200 USD. No need to wear Armani unless your ego needs this to be able to talk to a girl.To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly. Of course, being well-groomed doesn't compensate a lack of self-confidence, charm, witt or poise. But you can have those qualities AND have taste in the way you dress.
About the 200us$ teacher, let me disagree also. Dyevs, whatever their social class, their age group or their expectations, inevitably dress to the tens when they go out, and for most of them anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. It's a question of self-respect. Especially if you're a foreigner. Coming from the West, you CAN'T convince a Russian girl that you don't like or can't afford to dress well. It's beyond her comprehension. It has been said many many times here, dressing style is even more important than looks in this part of the world.
BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.
ISG is the place where men create fantasy versions of a country, and the need to qualify for the females are always an ingredient in every fantasy incarnation I see.You seem to forget that Russia, Ukraine, ect are definitely class societies and you want (you must) to show everybody which class you are in. The fashion issue is an unending issue in FSU. Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) girls are second to none in their obsession with it. I agree that they are very superficial in that respect.
As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.
Harry Hardman
05-15-12, 13:16
I hate to tell you all this: Racism is alive and well in Ukraine. Haven't you heard about? : a black guy from USA embassy jogging around town was harassed and beaten up by the Kiev police. And a Korean guy was killed in Kharkov?
I am African American and I actually been here in Kiev for 1 month and will be here for 2 more months. I have wesley snipes complexion (very dark) but like to think I have a really cool style when it comes to fashion. Pedro was right in the sense of not walking by yourself at night out of crowded areas downtown and nearby clubs or bars. Now granted I will be honest. I have only been out 1 time since I have been here and that was to TGI Fridays with a puerto rican friend of mines. I got stares from women but none in which I could actually decipher and I kept walking. I chose not to speak cause I figured they either did not speak english or would not speak to me in fear of ukranian men watching them or something. (that was my reasoning). Now I could have been wrong but if you step out. You will get stares from men also (some good, some bad). In reality no one on this site can tell you what people think about you because they are not black. Now they can go off what women may tell them or darker complexion friends they may have went out with. Climax kindly gave me pointers also as to what to expect here and you get mixed reviews. Some guys here will say ukranian women love darker complexion guys because you would be considered exotic, some guys will tell you ukranian women may or may not talk to you. I decided to use mamba and banged 2 chicks. Both about 6 or 7 in my book, but they were both freebies simply because they were fascinated with black men. I got a few messages from women who said they are not into black men so it's a toss up. While you are in town. Let me know and I may hang with you. Granted I have not stepped foot in a single club or bar except TGI Fridays. I am still earning this place
Harry Hardman
05-15-12, 13:20
You're very funny with this "Blink" thing in your reports.
LJ, I am humming the immigrant song for you, and then you can maybe figure out approximately where I come from.
Yea, we always have to talk to the girls before we take them home, don't we. There can be bitches everywhere. But I am glad to read that you found many sweet girls in the pay for play venues. If one likes to "hunt" in a hard core prostitution environment, it is always nice if there is some atmosphere and some friendly people. I agree, it can be comfortable to shoot fish in a barrel. One parameter is already taken care of so to speak. You can be pretty sure they will f*ck you unless you smell or are a bastard. The parameter of what they will do is almost always a trade off with girls who took the step and publicly works as prostitutes. They will for sure almost always have some "rule" that their imaginary pride or health are hung up on. But we horny dogs can take that as long as they are friendly or pretend to be friendly at least. I will remember to talk to the girl next time I get a lap dance. Will be tough but the things we do not put ourselves through to have some variation in the barba-burgers we dive in to. A newfound friend told me you can either touch the girl up or wank off in the dance boot. The napkins in the one boot I had a dance in, during my visit to Kiev, indicates that not everyone go for touching the female. I tried to do a little bit of both and no alarm went off. I forgot the name of that club but the girl was pretty. An 8. 36 in my book. Blink.
In shooters I met a couple of very friendly girls. I do not think they where hard core pros because we where dancing and partying all night. I was drained and normally do not like to fuck after a bottle of vodka anyway, but got some numbers that I did not follow up on properly. I love the hunt. Woff. Since some speak of skin color here, it seems like they sometimes will refuse entry for people with darker skin and hair. But I would still try Shooters because it is great fun. Vodka bar is more edgy with more drunk, young Ukraine boys but still good fun. My ISG buddy almost got into a fight over a female but a knight saved him before it got serious. Later the same Ukrainian guys where fighting someone else, and then choose to take a punch at the guards so I imagine at least the little cocky prick where in sever pain after the six guards where done.
This was the view that kept me dancing, even after the bottles started to fly all around us. Nice girl with sexy moves but Barba and his agent buddy slipped and failed with her and her big tit friend. Anyone else know them?
B.
Member #4274
05-15-12, 14:01
To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly. Of course, being well-groomed doesn't compensate a lack of self-confidence, charm, witt or poise. But you can have those qualities AND have taste in the way you dress.
About the 200us$ teacher, let me disagree also. Dyevs, whatever their social class, their age group or their expectations, inevitably dress to the tens when they go out, and for most of them anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. It's a question of self-respect. Especially if you're a foreigner. Coming from the West, you CAN'T convince a Russian girl that you don't like or can't afford to dress well. It's beyond her comprehension. It has been said many many times here, dressing style is even more important than looks in this part of the world.
BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.
You seem to forget that Russia, Ukraine, ect are definitely class societies and you want (you must) to show everybody which class you are in. The fashion issue is an unending issue in FSU. Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) girls are second to none in their obsession with it. I agree that they are very superficial in that respect.
As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.I could not agree more with this post! As someone who has spent time in Budapest, Kiev and Minsk I know Eastern and Central European women love a well dressed man. In fact most women from all cultures do. I know a very sexy Russian girl from St. Petersburg who now lives in my city in Canada. Her name is Viktoria. She told me when she was living in Russia she met with a Canadian guy in SPB that she met off of the internet. According to her the guy dressed terrible and she was astonished as he was from the west and surely could afford better clothes. Needless to say she never met with him again. What is more, most men in Ukraine and Belarus dress like shit or can't afford to dress better than they do. In these countries dressing like you have money usually means you have money and the ladies here (I am in Minsk right now) love it. Especially if you're sponsoring some young hottie. Her being seen with a well dressed guy from the west is a status symbol for her and that only works out well for you in the end!
Let me refer back to Viktoria. When I came into the office wearing a Lacoste polo, a smart pair of dress pants and well made leather dress shoes she said 'Oh, the girls in Minsk are going to like you! ' And they do. I wear clothes you can't get in these countries, only in the west. You don't have to wear Armani. That's ridiculous! If you want some advice on what or where to buy clothes send me a PM. I have some great suggestions (and no I don't work for a retail company so can the hate mail!). Just keep in mind what I said. In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here. Good luck, gentlemen!
In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here.Right, but as Pedro rightly said to overdo is as bad as dressing too low. Best is to look fashionable and refined, but not obsessed with it. That is why IMO intentionally wearing a suit in a club is ludicrous. We're not in the 90s anymore. Now a sex-weaned foreigner who dress like a "biznessman" solely with the intention to impress is rather a subject of mockery.
Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.
B.Haha, what is that girl going to model for? Halloween costumes?
PedroToronja
05-15-12, 20:31
It all depends on where you are and the time of day. Even oligarchs wear ties during the day.
I hit Kiev in 2004, spent probably 3-4 years in total in Ukraine and have about 1200 names and numbers in my Ukrainian mobile phone, please do tell me how it really is.Cruiser, from your posts I take it that you are very knowledgeable of the place. The issue of tie or not is not quite important, but it is (at least) the fashion for the past 2 years or so. It was true this morning in Volkonsky in Passage, it was on the posters of the politicians running on the past election, on the guys sitting on the back of the Maybacks, Mercedes, etc. Also in Passage (the drivers and bodyguards do wear ties). It was the case last night in Buddah (amazing hookers at the bar, as usual). Again, this is just an observation and not truly important.
PedroToronja
05-15-12, 20:46
Pedro, if you decide to enter
And so in over a year of taking out dates from the strip club using careLJ, you are right, I did not read either the posts you mention or the entire reply you provided to Barba last: I scanned it and saw that 3 letter word yet AGAIN, of the one strip club (in singular) you appear to make reference above when you tell us you took dates from it for over a year. It would appear that you have a connection, if not trying to help them, at least as an 'aficionado'. Maybe it was a typo, but you point to a single club for your 'take out' for over a year.
LJ, I have been to strip clubs and other houses of "ill repute" for as long as I can remember, and that is VERY long. Girls that strip, give lap dances and provide outcalls are beyond jaded. I find it impossible to believe that in such place you frequently find GFE material. The 'interview' stage you mention. Is quite surprising to me also. These girls are professionals and masterful at their art: if an interview takes place, you are the interviewee, they are the interviewer. Other than deciding if you want to bed her or not, if you want to pay the fee or not, there is not much else you are in a position to decide. We may deal with a few of those girls a month (probably not every month). They deal with guys like you or me every day, tons of us. Is not an even playing field. Anyway, please don't take offense, I was just sick of reading yet again another mention of that club in a good light. Yes, saying that you find GFE material there, is putting them in a good light and promoting them. If anything, we 'come here' to get info so we don't get stuck, we do the fucking instead of getting screwed, to use our mongering budget intelligently. We need to tell is as it is, at least among us.
PedroToronja
05-15-12, 20:49
I generally have one of my girls call one of the various taxi dispatchers for me.
Otherwise I try to keep it to under 30uah in the center. If one taxi is too high just say no and go to the next.Then avoid getting in a cab anywhere in Krechiatik or around Premier Palace. There the prices start at 100 hrivnas, and normally stay at that level unless you go to the airport. It is always cheaper to call a taxi by phone, with the help of a local. Then it may be around 30 hrivnas around downtown.
PedroToronja
05-15-12, 20:54
Spoken like someone with his sights set on average. Enjoy.You are not going to impress a prostitute, and there is no need to do that, we agree. When they talk about 'impressing' I assume they are talking about civilians or that hybrid of 'normal' girl who would not mind supplement her income with a gift from a much older guy who wants to do her. Dressing nice, treating them with courtesy, may get you (it happened to me many times) a better pussy than the one you get from a pro. Yes, clean shoes are a very important indication for most women over here.
PedroToronja
05-15-12, 21:01
To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly. Of course, being well-groomed doesn't compensate a lack of self-confidence, charm, witt or poise. But you can have those qualities AND have taste in the way you dress.
About the 200us$ teacher, let me disagree also. Dyevs, whatever their social class, their age group or their expectations, inevitably dress to the tens when they go out, and for most of them anything less than a similarly well-appointed guy is not a guy worth fucking. It's a question of self-respect. Especially if you're a foreigner. Coming from the West, you CAN'T convince a Russian girl that you don't like or can't afford to dress well. It's beyond her comprehension. It has been said many many times here, dressing style is even more important than looks in this part of the world.
BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.
You seem to forget that Russia, Ukraine, ect are definitely class societies and you want (you must) to show everybody which class you are in. The fashion issue is an unending issue in FSU. Russian (and Ukrainian for that matter) girls are second to none in their obsession with it. I agree that they are very superficial in that respect.
As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.Fully agree with Prosal. BTW, drop Armani. Brioni, Kiton, Stefano Ricci, Loro Piana, perhaps a Zegna. Aim higher my friend.
PedroToronja
05-15-12, 21:07
I could not agree more with this post! As someone who has spent time in Budapest, Kiev and Minsk I know Eastern and Central European women love a well dressed man. In fact most women from all cultures do. I know a very sexy Russian girl from St. Petersburg who now lives in my city in Canada. Her name is Viktoria. She told me when she was living in Russia she met with a Canadian guy in SPB that she met off of the internet. According to her the guy dressed terrible and she was astonished as he was from the west and surely could afford better clothes. Needless to say she never met with him again. What is more, most men in Ukraine and Belarus dress like shit or can't afford to dress better than they do. In these countries dressing like you have money usually means you have money and the ladies here (I am in Minsk right now) love it. Especially if you're sponsoring some young hottie. Her being seen with a well dressed guy from the west is a status symbol for her and that only works out well for you in the end!
Let me refer back to Viktoria. When I came into the office wearing a Lacoste polo, a smart pair of dress pants and well made leather dress shoes she said 'Oh, the girls in Minsk are going to like you! ' And they do. I wear clothes you can't get in these countries, only in the west. You don't have to wear Armani. That's ridiculous! If you want some advice on what or where to buy clothes send me a PM. I have some great suggestions (and no I don't work for a retail company so can the hate mail!). Just keep in mind what I said. In the FSU looking like you have money garnished with a western accent usually means you have money and that is a big plus when meeting women here. Good luck, gentlemen!Can you please give us a brief report on mongering in Minsk? I am only one hour away in Kiev. BTW, I do agree 100% with all you said above. A Uki girl told me that her friends, who saw us walking together to the Opera House, were very impressed by her companion (me) because 'the guy' had an expensive hair cut and good shoes. Ukrainian and Russian men basically cut their hair very short in some cheap salon or at home, no shape, no style, just short and all the same non-style style.
CD.
I agree that a bad dressed looser is perhaps the absolute worst combination for scoring pretty girls. And to dress well will rarely hurt the cause, even though Prosal has a point about being the club clown. Females are attracted to recourses (financial, intellectual etc). If you project an image of controlling resources by any mean, they will be attracted to you. The most impressive resource controller is perhaps a humoristic, financially independent and intelligent man with a good portion of self distance, yet in touch with the monkey that will f*ck her like the female she is. Or is this just my own vanity speaking?
All the best from Barba (who did not wear jeans since the mid 90s) I am going to order made to measure expensive Silk Briefs for myself, so I can preside over the ceremony of the Grand Openings of my Envelpos, each enclosing US$100 crisp notes, just as crisp as my briefs.
And if the US$$$ don't impress the Mamba Girls, My Silk Briefs will.
Greetings Everyone,
I moved the last several pages of discussion regarding "Rio" to another thread in this forum titled "Rio Night Club".
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3329-Rio-Night-Club
This "Thread Splitting" process is not perfect, and it's possible that I may have inadvertently moved / did not move a few reports. If you find that your own report was also moved / not moved, please don't take it personally.
Thanks,
Jackson
No, trouser pleats have been all over the runways this year for male fashions.
Stay current. .
You must be attempting humour here.
True about Armani, the name has been over marketed but they still make a nice suit. Versace has seemed to supplanted Armani in the top of the Italian name heap.
But when you get right down to it Armani, Versace and Zenga are about the same quality and price.
BTW Armani is now just a mid-level brand which abuse of the ridiculously emblazoned clothes that screams out that the wearer is a poseur.
As a Moscow resident rightly said in the ISG Russia forums, being well-groomed is deadly effective in FSU. Dress with rafinement and style (the "style" IMO doesn't include to wear a suit) and you'll literally pushing girls off of you, no matter your language skills.
Member #4491
05-16-12, 01:45
To say that someone who is well-dressed is someone who lacks of self esteem is simply silly.I agree (who said that?) and I dress well, partly because I travel light and must be dressed for "work" (I only pretend to work nowadays). I think my point is to subtle for this forum so never mind. Let us all instead neurotically describe how smart we dress and then we can all tell each-others that we are OK and will get girls. We should all post pictures of our dream clothes. But we must use movie stars that we think we look like. It is far more interesting than pictures of females we shagged.
Have fun.
Thank you for the offer Wallyally but that was not exactly what I had in mind.
No idea what she is wearing, BeeDiddy but I bet you she is writing about it all the time to her friend on their "how to dress"-board.
Jojosun, LOL!
Cheers from Barba.
On an airport again finally so hasta la vista, pervs!
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LJ, you are right, I did not read either the posts you mention or the entire reply you provided to Barba last: I scanned it and saw that 3 letter word yet AGAIN, of the one strip club (in singular) you appear to make reference above when you tell us you took dates from it for over a year. It would appear that you have a connection, if not trying to help them, at least as an 'aficionado'. Maybe it was a typo, but you point to a single club for your 'take out' for over a year.
LJ, I have been to strip clubs and other houses of "ill repute" for as long as I can remember, and that is VERY long. Girls that strip, give lap dances and provide outcalls are beyond jaded. I find it impossible to believe that in such place you frequently find GFE material. The 'interview' stage you mention. Is quite surprising to me also. These girls are professionals and masterful at their art: if an interview takes place, you are the interviewee, they are the interviewer. Other than deciding if you want to bed her or not, if you want to pay the fee or not, there is not much else you are in a position to decide. We may deal with a few of those girls a month (probably not every month). They deal with guys like you or me every day, tons of us. Is not an even playing field. Anyway, please don't take offense, I was just sick of reading yet again another mention of that club in a good light. Yes, saying that you find GFE material there, is putting them in a good light and promoting them. If anything, we 'come here' to get info so we don't get stuck, we do the fucking instead of getting screwed, to use our mongering budget intelligently. We need to tell is as it is, at least among us.Pedro, for all your years and experiences, you don't display an understanding of the necessary mongering skills of interviewing girls for the potential of GFE, and more importantly how to avoid bad experiences with girls. These skills are absolutely necessary for p4p mongering world over, in any venue, be it a night club, or a strip club, or a place like River Palace used to be. While the observations you write about working girls are not untrue, you seem oblivious to the role a mongering man plays in shaping his own experiences, and paying only for what he wants. We are not the powerless victims you paint us as, at the mercy of experienced jaded 21 year olds. It's a ridiculous premise. Suffice it to say that you, as the monger, must always remain in control and reject, unless and until you are convinced by the girl that she is going to be nice with you. You must know how to be charming and nice so as to elicit such similar responses from the girl. But even after things seem good, if any signs of backsliding or downturn in her attitude occurs, terminate the laison, and never give money up front. If you don't have the perceptiveness to detect when a girl is of the hardened jaded type, or of the softer, more sweet personality that you can get a GFE with, you cannot be successful in p4p mongering, even in a regular nightclub.
That you don't believe I was successful in having GFE dates is unimportant to me. You are speaking from lack of knowledge, despite your years, of how to interview a p4p girl toward getting GFE dates. What's getting in your way are certain incorrect assumptions you are making about the type of girls available to meet in the strip club, as well as the type of interaction and conversation that is possible.
The interaction dynamics in each venue are different and make for different types of interactions. Take, For example, a venue like a street corner where you might meet a WG who is a streetwalker. The normal expected conversation between the monger and the streetwalker is limited to prices and services. A question about how many brothers or sisters the streetwalker has, or whether she attends university and what her studies or life goals are, would be entirely out of character and would be regarded as weird. The streetwalker WG has no time or interest in that. Just wham, bam, give me the money and out, a quickie suck and fuck and that's it.
In the River Palace nightclub, there were no girls there who weren't working. So every girl was there for the sole purpose of picking up a guy to take them home and fuck for money. Therefore, the likely first words out of a girl's mouth to you upon approach was a number, like $400 or $300. Not much of a conversation starter. These girls were focussed and wanted to get down to business right away. So the conversation was about money and services and then you were under pressure for a decision. And if you wanted more conversation, the girl feared you were wasting her time and she could grab another customer. It was not a mongering environment that was conducive to getting to know the girl and the pressure didn't make it easy to figure out if she was a cheat and bad experience, or she would be GFE. But you didn't have to cave in immediately, and you could play the dance where you drink and circulate and maybe talk to her again later and see if she would come down in price. So sometimes you could have some conversation and joke around and get a bit of a vibe going with the girl, which added to the GFE potential.
In a regular nightclub, I would always approach the conversation with a girl, even if I was pretty sure she was a WG, as if she was a normal freebie girl. And be my usual friendly, charming, humorous self, and try to chat with her. Generally she would follow that lead, until she wanted to mention money. But at least it could start off with some semblance of a normal conversation and interaction. And I could buy her a drink and talk some more, trying to get a sense of her personality.
Inside a strip club, if you call a girl over to sit at your table, it is initially just to enjoy her company and conversation, and nothing more is expected or implied. She sits down and a friendly conversation ensues where you try to charm her and she responds to you. If you like her, you can buy her a drink. It's up to you, and not pushed or solicited. The conversation goes where you take it. The humor or laughs you enjoy with the girl are of your own making, just as in a conversation with a freebie. Until this point, no one has mentioned what's in the back of your mind. Sex. The girl never mentions it. Any invitation will ultimately have to come from you. If you really like the girl, you can take her for a private dance and see how the chemistry is between you, and how she responds to any advances you may make. Still no mention of any Take out by the girl. It has to come from the man. And often the girl will say no, because she doesn't have to go out with you. So it turns out that the only tools these girls can use to get you to want them and invite them out with you, aside from their beauty, are the entirely passive tools of their niceness and responsiveness to you when you speak with them and give them attention, and how much they can get you to like them by behaving sweetly to you. If they don't want you, they will not make the effort to seduce you. Add to this the fact that the strip clubs are constantly recruiting new girls straight out of the universities, girls who just came from the provinces, and are for the most part unspoiled by years of sex work. The result of the foregoing parameters is that it is actually easier to spend a long while getting to know a girl and speaking with her on all manner of topics and to cultivate a GFE date with a p4p girl in the strip club, where there is no pressure to take the girl home, and you can simply talk with her as much as you want and / or private dance also, and then leave without even discussing take out. The strip club was the easiest venue to take my time in picking and getting to thoroughly know girls before I had to choose if they would be GFE dates.
I also want to say that your very idea that one of the existing venues for P4p in Kiev should be discriminated against by persons such as yourself to the point that you don't want to permit even it's mere mention in the context of a factual discussion, to be offensive to the concept of truth and democratic principles.
The only connection I have with Rio strip club is that of frequent customer. On each of my trips to Kiev in 2011, I went to that club and reported on my experiences there. My reasons for choosing to monger in that venue after the demise of River Palace toward the end of 2010 rather than the regular nightclubs are set forth at length elsewhere (lower prices and greater time efficiency in getting high level WG's) and need not be repeated here. You are an intelligent enough guy to know how to read my prior posts if you were interested to know what I thought. I tried the regular nightclubs as a first and most natural replacement of the River Palace during trips I made at the end of 2010 and the beginning of 2011, but the results were unsatisfactory. The prices were too high, and no one had any idea where the fuck all the girls who used to go to the River Palace were going since it was towed away. Of course, I had a bunch of numbers of girls from River Palace, and I experimented a lot with mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, and was still enjoying Kiev each visit. But I didn't succeed in getting to the very high level beauties again until I hit on Rio strip club and found out that they had take out. And I reported about my experiences here on this thread. It appears that recently reports on this thread in 2012 began to be posted about lower prices ($200 and lower) being available in the regular nightclubs like in the days of the River Palace. And I intend to check this out thoroughly when I return to Kiev in September / October.
For me, the issue is, and has always been, getting to high level hotties for a reasonable price and within a reasonable amount of time expended within the context of a short visit of 3 or 4 nights. I'm not interested in a methodology that has a risk of resulting in me going home without a very beautiful girl in my bed on any of those few precious nights, so the "thrill of the chase" is not as important to me on such a short trip, whereas guaranteed scoring with a hottie is. Therefore, I am looking for p4p, not freebies.
Member #4274
05-16-12, 08:00
Right, but as Pedro rightly said to overdo is as bad as dressing too low. Best is to look fashionable and refined, but not obsessed with it. That is why IMO intentionally wearing a suit in a club is ludicrous. We're not in the 90s anymore. Now a sex-weaned foreigner who dress like a "biznessman" solely with the intention to impress is rather a subject of mockery.
Right, which is what I meant by suggesting that wearing Armani was ridiculous. You can make an argument for anything in life to be done in moderation and be correct. Its easy and safe to do and always makes one sound intelligent. The only people I have seen who were dressed as you described were Turkish men here in Minsk. Their brown leather blazers always make me shake my head. Dreadful. Other than that I am happy to say I never met or seen anyone as you have described during my travels, so far, anyway.
. A Uki girl told me that her friends, who saw us walking together to the Opera House, were very impressed by her companion (me) because 'the guy' had an expensive hair cut and good shoes. Ukrainian and Russian men basically cut their hair very short in some cheap salon or at home, no shape, no style, just short and all the same non-style style.Wearing with style and refinement is more effective in winter. You can sharpen your dressing style with nice gloves, scarfs, coats, ect. I bought in winter 2011 a somptuous Zilli black mink and black cashmere coat that allowed me VERY lofty scores. At 4500€, a big investment, but definitely worth it.
Versace has seemed to supplanted Armani in the top of the Italian name heap.You're wrong. The Versace men collection is of poor quality and rather dated. As Pedro said, Brioni, Kiton and Zegna are the top. I'd add Pal Zileri sartoriale to the list.
This thread has really degenerated into some silly never ending clothes show commentary. Recently . Ridiculous! These sad lonely guys must spend hours writing these extensive posts. Most of us here just want info. On. Where to go, how much to pay, and other's factual and practical experiences in the sack. Not whether pleats on the trousers are in fashion! Cut it out guys and get back to the serious business of sex hunting.
Most of us here just want info. On. Where to go, how much to pay, and other's factual and practical experiences in the sack.Most of all is not all of us. Some guys here are not harcore mongers (as you are from what I can decipher from your posts) and are much more into the freebie scene. In this respect, discussing about the best weapons to score (dressing style is one of them) has a sense.
If you don't like a topic, simply skip it, no need to be dogmatic and offensive.
I am going to order made to measure expensive Silk Briefs for myself, so I can preside over the ceremony of the Grand Openings of my Envelops, each enclosing US$100 crisp notes, just as crisp as my briefs.
And if the US$$$ don't impress the Mamba Girls, My Silk Briefs will.And should I head down south to Crimea, where there are a lot of lovely looking Tatar Muslim girls, related to their cousins in FSU Asian Republics including Uzbekistan, I might invest in an Expensive Made 2 measure Turban. Then I will be a Real Head Turner There.
This thread has really degenerated into some silly never ending clothes show commentary. Recently . Ridiculous! These sad lonely guys must spend hours writing these extensive posts. Most of us here just want info. On. Where to go, how much to pay, and other's factual and practical experiences in the sack. Not whether pleats on the trousers are in fashion! Cut it out guys and get back to the serious business of sex hunting.And a lot of the This Bollocks about Fashion Tips are coming from someone, who posted here, that he only stopped In Kiev and doesn't like it,"because its too Glam ".
Now I understand why (Hunter Dave) is staying away from this Fashionistas input.
Hunter where are you?
This thread has really degenerated into some silly never ending clothes show commentary. Recently . Ridiculous! These sad lonely guys must spend hours writing these extensive posts. Most of us here just want info. On. Where to go, how much to pay, and other's factual and practical experiences in the sack. Not whether pleats on the trousers are in fashion! Cut it out guys and get back to the serious business of sex hunting.I go to Kiev on long weekends Thursdays to Mondays, and only take hand Luggage with me.
I wear there what I like to wear. Never had any problem getting into Clubs, or with Girls.
And if a girl has a problem with what I wear, then she can go and Fuck herself, because. I am the one with the Money that she needs.
Simple as that.
This thread has really degenerated into some silly never ending clothes show commentary. Recently . Ridiculous! These sad lonely guys must spend hours writing these extensive posts.Yeah makes you wonder how they get the time to write all these long Fashion reports? . I have yet to read a Sex Report on Kiev, being the fruit of all this dressing up.
Unless like I suspect, posted by Keyboard Virtual Mongers.
Fully agree with Prosal. BTW, drop Armani. Brioni, Kiton, Stefano Ricci, Loro Piana, perhaps a Zegna. Aim higher my friend.Get an Expensive Turban & Head south to Crimea. The first lovely Tatar girl from there I met her in Kiev, through an ad in Kiev Post. Her name was Leela.
And if you don't score there, your Turban will be very handy 4 you, if you go To Tashkent.
Just aim Higher & Keep the Turban on your Head.
Poker Player 2
05-16-12, 13:49
Limarian,
Thank you for your note, I tend to agree with your sentiments here although based on past readings, I am willing to consider everything Cruiser states carefully- He is a VERY experienced monger! Unfortunately, I have not heard from the massage lady even though I know she is receiving my messages. Will be in Kiev 19-24.
Cheers,
Harry Hardman
05-16-12, 16:33
This thread has really degenerated into some silly never ending clothes show commentary. Recently . Ridiculous! These sad lonely guys must spend hours writing these extensive posts. Most of us here just want info. On. Where to go, how much to pay, and other's factual and practical experiences in the sack. Not whether pleats on the trousers are in fashion! Cut it out guys and get back to the serious business of sex hunting.Perhaps a new thread should be started on fashion and how to dress in FSU?
Harry Hardman
05-16-12, 16:41
In regards to freebies, I would recommend to forget the canned crap about "game and a little cash". The reality is more like "tons of time and piles of dough". Its all about you presenting yourself as a secure man and your ability to cross paths with needy girls.I second this.
Kiev is a place where you'll find your money burns fast, half the time you don't even know where it went.
It does appear to pursue freebies one might need "tons of time and piles of dough." Well said, Climaxnow.
Harry Hardman
05-16-12, 17:22
Sorry, but no offense. Her face looks really weird in the pic. Nice body though.
Anyone with experience from this girl? Told me she is not into P4P when we had lunch. I need to qualify with time. Model that just turned 18. I checked her passport. PM if you know her but do not wish to take it here.
B.
This thread has really degenerated into some silly never ending clothes show commentary. Recently . Ridiculous! These sad lonely guys must spend hours writing these extensive posts. Most of us here just want info. On. Where to go, how much to pay, and other's factual and practical experiences in the sack. Not whether pleats on the trousers are in fashion! Cut it out guys and get back to the serious business of sex hunting.How can it be ridiculous?
Eye for details makes perfect! And fashion is for sure one of the small brisk in successful hunting. I am sure I would not had same success if I did not dress nice and care how I look. Even money counts in the end.
There is endless post of where to go, how much to pay in Kiev. And in this city you don't need even to pay, that's for sure. So yes this discussion is relevant for sex hungry mongers.
Spanish Fly
05-16-12, 18:53
Ukraine is a nation of daddy's girls (those who have a good real daddy or those completely without one) and baby likes daddy in a suit. .
A man in a suit is a serious man, know who your targeted audience is.
What 'rules' are you breaking when you are 40+ and macking 20 year olds at a nightclub anyway?Cruise, I only have to ageee with your point. Been away from Ukranian forum for a while, I have spent some precious minutes trying to track down the beginning of this conversation about shoes, ties, etc. OMG, this has got a little comic, but I will try to add my two cents.
I personally pity fashion victims, BOTH men or women, BUT If you want to impress the silly but gorgeous want to-be-model who is probably looking for the next oligarch-alike sugar daddy and a 5000€ monthly sponsorship, then maybe most of Prosal's advise and some of Pedro's (about being fashionable, Zegna not enough, etc, etc.) could be your thing. But, in my HUMBLE opinion, this is simply silly.
Prosal, you can't imagine yourself in a suit inside a club, and this is respectful, of course, but I don't imagine MOST of us, late thirties, early forties, OR OLDER, dressing a CUSTO Barcelona t-shirt (some of them at 300 or 400€ a piece) in some club. No matter how cool or fashionable this could be. I am with Cruiser. If you are well groomed, and self-confident, any NICE clothes would do the trick. The ladies want to smell power, resources (as someone else said today) , GOOD TASTE (some smart ass said once that fashion is something so hedious that they are forced to changed it every year.) , and in general, they want to find a guy who is successful. At this point, anyone can understand this term as it better suits him, but if you feel comfortable in a nice suit and tie, you look in the mirror and you are quite happy with what you see (whatever D&G, Versace or something more affordable) you will do just fine.
In ANY of the glamorous elite clubs in Moscow or Kiev, you will see A LOT of men in suits and ties, very few of them tourists and I sincerely doubt that (judging by the babes next to them) nobody consider them "clowns". For those of you with little or NO local experience, and hungry for practical stuff, here one simple piece of data. The "this clothes look nice enough and they are comfy" will kill most of your chances unless you have some other serious gaming skills. The girls take VERY seriously the dress-up for a club night. And they expect that the man don't wear in the club the same kind of clothes that he would wear to watch some hockey game, or to go to the cinema some Sunday afternoon. You love those comfy snickers (no matter how "fashionable" or expensive they are)? Ok, but chances are that you will be "face-controlled" in most of elite clubs, and even if you get yourself in, most of the girls would cut you off just by looking at your feet.
Good hunt!
Salud,
SF.
Prosal, you can't imagine yourself in a suit inside a club, and this is respectful, of course, but I don't imagine MOST of us, late thirties, early forties, OR OLDER, dressing a CUSTO Barcelona t-shirt (some of them at 300 or 400€ a piece) in some club. No matter how cool or fashionable this could be.Hum. What a strange statement. There is other ways to dress fashionably and elegantly without overdoing the primping, be it in suit or in clownesque metrosexual shit.
Perhaps a new thread should be started on fashion and how to dress in FSU?I must agree with Mr. Hardman. I have been watching how this forum is evolving, and I'm impressed. Now we are not only having extensive discussion about masculine fashion, style, firms, prices, shopping. Hairdressers, we even publish photos of men (dressed, luckily). The 1st time I saw this in this web! I know Slavic women are vocational fashion victims, but this is. Impressing. Definitely I'm becoming outdated.)
By the way, I have just arrived to Kiev, without any time to arrange things. So if nobody is so kind to provide us / me with a good alternative strip-club to the unmentionable one, I'll have no option but to visit it.
It's quite hot here, and very rainy, so very humid.
Yeah makes you wonder how they get the time to write all these long Fashion reports? . I have yet to read a Sex Report on Kiev, being the fruit of all this dressing up.For an actual sex report, Jojo, you will have to go to a separate thread, being created by the Administrator. LOL.
I bought in winter 2011 a somptuous Zilli black mink and black cashmere coat that allowed me VERY lofty scores. At 4500€, a big investment, but definitely worth it..
And Hello Flash Harry.
Rest in peace Za Za Gabor.
I can't stand pretentious people. I mean, what is the point in applying exorbitantly extensive vocabulary, it is just straightforwardly unnecessary
El Cubanito
05-17-12, 00:18
I hate to tell you all this: Racism is alive and well in Ukraine. Haven't you heard about? : a black guy from USA embassy jogging around town was harassed and beaten up by the Kiev police. And a Korean guy was killed in Kharkov?Racism is alive and well anywhere you go on this planet. Listen, even a fish in a barrel type place like Pattaya or Bangkok has racism with the local girls. I have witness it first hand myself. I do not expect in the Ukraine to be any different. I know that there are idiots that you go in this world. With that said, I am trying to measure as to what degree is the racism. Is it as bad as some part in the deep South in the 1960's? Or is the racism like Latin America where it does exist, but very midly like in Dominican Republic.
That is all that I was trying to see.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito
05-17-12, 00:24
Cruise, I only have to ageee with your point. Been away from Ukranian forum for a while, I have spent some precious minutes trying to track down the beginning of this conversation about shoes, ties, etc. OMG, this has got a little comic, but I will try to add my two cents.
I personally pity fashion victims, BOTH men or women, BUT If you want to impress the silly but gorgeous want to-be-model who is probably looking for the next oligarch-alike sugar daddy and a 5000€ monthly sponsorship, then maybe most of Prosal's advise and some of Pedro's (about being fashionable, Zegna not enough, etc, etc.) could be your thing. But, in my HUMBLE opinion, this is simply silly.
Prosal, you can't imagine yourself in a suit inside a club, and this is respectful, of course, but I don't imagine MOST of us, late thirties, early forties, OR OLDER, dressing a CUSTO Barcelona t-shirt (some of them at 300 or 400€ a piece) in some club. No matter how cool or fashionable this could be. I am with Cruiser. If you are well groomed, and self-confident, any NICE clothes would do the trick. The ladies want to smell power, resources (as someone else said today) , GOOD TASTE (some smart ass said once that fashion is something so hedious that they are forced to changed it every year.) , and in general, they want to find a guy who is successful. At this point, anyone can understand this term as it better suits him, but if you feel comfortable in a nice suit and tie, you look in the mirror and you are quite happy with what you see (whatever D&G, Versace or something more affordable) you will do just fine.
In ANY of the glamorous elite clubs in Moscow or Kiev, you will see A LOT of men in suits and ties, very few of them tourists and I sincerely doubt that (judging by the babes next to them) nobody consider them "clowns". For those of you with little or NO local experience, and hungry for practical stuff, here one simple piece of data. The "this clothes look nice enough and they are comfy" will kill most of your chances unless you have some other serious gaming skills. The girls take VERY seriously the dress-up for a club night. And they expect that the man don't wear in the club the same kind of clothes that he would wear to watch some hockey game, or to go to the cinema some Sunday afternoon. You love those comfy snickers (no matter how "fashionable" or expensive they are)? Ok, but chances are that you will be "face-controlled" in most of elite clubs, and even if you get yourself in, most of the girls would cut you off just by looking at your feet.
Good hunt!
Salud,
SF.You can have all of the money in the world, but if the player does not know how to play the game he will be $h! T out of luck. I have a childhood friend who is a Carbon copy look alike of actor Kevin Bacon. My buddy has gotten more ass, than a public toilet seat on 42nd street in New York City. My buddy has tremendous amount of game and he never pays for it. I have a little bit of game, but I am nowhere near his level of play. That is really the bottom line what is your game like. I am sure that my game will be good enough to have a great time and that is all that I am looking for. I just ask the clothes question because this is new waters for me and I have never been to this part of the world. But now I know and I will play the game that is shown to me.
Thank you for everything guys, but stop this clothes stuff already.
El Cubanito
RIO Girls. $300/3 hours bullshit.
other costs:
100 grivna cover
At least 100 grivna tip for managers and admin
100 grivna for taxi
If you want to get 3-4 private dances to see the dancers pussy. Every private dance is 200 givna
Drinks- I would say at around 400 grivna every visit- if dancers sit with you add extra- they will order drinks and cigs.
So far I would say every dancer you take home will cost you over $400.
The dancer probably will not stay with you for 3 hours and she may not give you BBBJ.
If you are super stupid and travel all the way from America to Kiev for RIO don't forget to add the cost of tickets, apartment, and food.
I would say every dancer will cost you over $500 for less than 2 hours and probably just covered BJ.
So don't be fooled by the fucking shill who keeps saying 3 hours for $300, its bullshit
I bought in winter 2011 a somptuous Zilli black mink and black cashmere coat that allowed me VERY lofty scores. At 4500€, a big investment, but definitely worth it.Prosal,
You had VERY Lofty Scores with your 4500euros Mink Coat, and I suppose the Coat Checkers at clubs got Fuck all.
Think of all the tips you saved, when you sat there with your coat on surrounded by hordes of girls all over you.
My Friend, its the same The World Over, its the Rich who get the Pleasure, and its The Poor who end up with F All.
Actually in the FSU it is an important part of your game. So it does need to be covered a bit, not quite to the depth some are taking it.
Prosal, Zenga just happens to be the current trendoid brand. I own suits from Armani, Zenga and Versace and the quality (high) and price are about the same. If you want to be a marketing tool, feel free to, I am sure you are reading this posting on your iPad or iPhone. If your game is waiting to blurt out Zenga or whatever brand has paid the most PR money when one girl out of 500 asks you what brand your suit is, go for it.
When I was younger I would occasional wear club fashions in a club. I don't do that anymore. I remember a long time ago Dr Skank posted something to the effect of 'watching a G Unit wearing 50 year old with the vodka sweats doing the Robot' in a club in Moscow. Not a pretty sight.
This thread has really degenerated into some silly never ending clothes show commentary. Recently . Ridiculous! These sad lonely guys must spend hours writing these extensive posts. Most of us here just want info. On. Where to go, how much to pay, and other's factual and practical experiences in the sack. Not whether pleats on the trousers are in fashion! Cut it out guys and get back to the serious business of sex hunting.
Actually in the FSU it is an important part of your game. So it does need to be covered a bit, not quite to the depth some are taking it.Ok, my bad, even if the matter of dressing style is of prime importance in FSU (at least to chase freebies, but chasing freebies isn't what FSU is all about?) , admittedly I have let myself be led to useless and rather futile points.
ZengaIs Zenga the Chinese-made version of Zegna BTW? (wink)
Harry Hardman
05-17-12, 11:46
RIO Girls. $300/3 hours bullshit.
Other costs:
100 grivna cover.
At least 100 grivna tip for managers and admin.
100 grivna for taxi.
If you want to get 3-4 private dances to see the dancers pussy. Every private dance is 200 givna.
Drinks- I would say at around 400 grivna every visit- if dancers sit with you add extra- they will order drinks and cigs.
So far I would say every dancer you take home will cost you over $400.
The dancer probably will not stay with you for 3 hours and she may not give you BBBJ.
If you are super stupid and travel all the way from America to Kiev for RIO don't forget to add the cost of tickets, apartment, and food.
I would say every dancer will cost you over $500 for less than 2 hours and probably just covered BJ.
So don't be fooled by the fucking shill who keeps saying 3 hours for $300, its bullshitCompletely agree but don't know the shill thing. At least, he doesn't sound like one.
Apartment (nice and around Kreschatyk) and food (If you want half-way decent food and don't cook them yourself) can be significant, apart from travel related expenses. I think that's why people who wanted to minimize those costs and maximize their hits with young girls went to RIO or other related venues. Mongers have to pay these fixed costs everyday they are there whether they get a decent lay or not, or whether they bring a girl to the apartment or not.
Harry Hardman
05-17-12, 11:50
If you ask me, it sounds terrible when a black American who works at the USA embassy in Kiev got beaten up by local cops while jogging on the street. Don't forget the Korean guy got killed in Kharkov.
Racism is alive and well anywhere you go on this planet. Listen, even a fish in a barrel type place like Pattaya or Bangkok has racism with the local girls. I have witness it first hand myself. I do not expect in the Ukraine to be any different. I know that there are idiots that you go in this world. With that said, I am trying to measure as to what degree is the racism. Is it as bad as some part in the deep South in the 1960's? Or is the racism like Latin America where it does exist, but very midly like in Dominican Republic.
That is all that I was trying to see.
El Cubanito
It's quite funny to follow posts here because everyone has his own opinion about spending time in Kiev and what girls to be hunted for. Why don't you stop it and pay more attention to facts than to opinions. I won't write again about Rio, just one last sentence: If you want a nice and "clean" nice girl, you don't have much time driving from club to club, don't speak Russian and you don't pay much attention to money, Rio is good. All other opinions here are totally right as well if you look for something different. Of course you have to choose very well the girl you take out and like always, if you don't take out a 9 or 10 the chances increase that she stays longer than 3 hrs. It's up to you and your attitude.
I was 6 days in Kiev and got a driver for USD 15 / hour to check out some clubs (most of them I know already)!
Deluxe: Great Club, beautiful girls, but not all of them you can take home, even the ones are professional sometimes don't go with foreigners, may be because they don't speak English or waiting for a Russian Billionaire.
Buddha Bar: Stylish Bar / restaurant like in every other country. Some Professionals at the bar, some nice some average ones. On Friday night at around midnight not much. Lots of tourists.
Vodka Bar: Worst experience in my life! Shitty club in the basement of a mall. Lots of young people and almost all drunken. Easy to pick up some drunken young girls but I didn't have a good feeling there (around 4:00 am). No good attitude there.
Shooters: walked in and out right after it. Not my style.
Mafia on Kreshatik: Had dinner there with a friend (around 11:00 pm). Already empty but great to watch girls walking by on the boardwalk and some pretty ones in the Restaurant. As always some look at you and you know why and some don't pay attention at all.
Avalon: I was there twice upstairs in the Karaoke bar and downstairs at the lounge. Nice women and nice atmosphere.
Rio:. I talked too much about it.
Club Dolls: Brand new Club on Red Army street. Nice new strip club with very good atmosphere but when we were there not too much girls. Some nice ones, some average. May be 25 girls. Prices almost same like Rio. My friend told me on another day it was more crowded.
Strip Club Paradise: on Left bank, same owner as Rio. Redneck area with just a few girls. Some nice, some not. Not worth going the long way.
Mandarin Boat: They open on May 25th (hopefully) in Podol. Boat like in the past days River Palace Boat. Same owner as Rio.
McDonalds on Kreshatik: well. Look at other posts here. Same opinion.
May be I forgot some clubs and of course there are some more I didn't visit.
Sorry for not writing more about it but I'm not like liljoy.
I can only give one advice from my side about being in Kiev. Behave like you are! You can be friendly, smile a lot, be a Gentleman and don't be arrogant. Dress nice but not too much. If you are natural and more like an average man with good behavior, you will have a lot of phone numbers and a lot of dates. But you need time for this as this is not for a one night F. If you just want to go there for F, go to a (strip) club and take a girl (if you have money) or go to Shooters, Vodka Bar or McDonalds at night if you don't have money. But it's work to get one. Of course this is a brief advice and my English is not so good.
Completely agree but don't know the shill thing. At least, he doesn't sound like one.I know its sometimes excessive posting about that venue, but I don't know about the Shill thing either.
I mean there must be much easier ways of making money, especially for someone who comes across as very intelectual with an extensive English vocabulary.
Anyways how much do Shills make, and does the venue evalute their Shilling to pay them?
Reading another post here, there is a mention of "Marketing Tool " for a certain fashion brand? . Wot 2 Shills lurking here, LOL?
CityHunter77
05-17-12, 13:30
Racism is alive and well anywhere you go on this planet. Listen, even a fish in a barrel type place like Pattaya or Bangkok has racism with the local girls. I have witness it first hand myself. I do not expect in the Ukraine to be any different. I know that there are idiots that you go in this world. With that said, I am trying to measure as to what degree is the racism. Is it as bad as some part in the deep South in the 1960's? Or is the racism like Latin America where it does exist, but very midly like in Dominican Republic.
That is all that I was trying to see.
El CubanitoThe only form of racism you will encounter in Kiev is Shooters club.
You don't need to worry about walking the streets at night either, especially in the centre. You will get harrasment from cops it's usually to get a bribe, not race related.
It's much worse in places like Moscow and St Petersburg
RIO Girls. $300/3 hours bullshit.
Other costs:
100 grivna cover.
At least 100 grivna tip for managers and admin.
100 grivna for taxi.
If you want to get 3-4 private dances to see the dancers pussy. Every private dance is 200 givna.
Drinks- I would say at around 400 grivna every visit- if dancers sit with you add extra- they will order drinks and cigs.
So far I would say every dancer you take home will cost you over $400.
The dancer probably will not stay with you for 3 hours and she may not give you BBBJ.
If you are super stupid and travel all the way from America to Kiev for RIO don't forget to add the cost of tickets, apartment, and food.
I would say every dancer will cost you over $500 for less than 2 hours and probably just covered BJ.
So don't be fooled by the fucking shill who keeps saying 3 hours for $300, its bullshit.
Muddy. You forgot to add the cost of the Condoms, and for someone who is a Multi Climaxer and over even 2 hours with covered BJ, it pushes up the costs to even more than $500, LOL.
Hi there! I'll stay in this hotel in the end of may, any possibility to find girls inside?
Thanks! .
Delta Indigo
05-17-12, 17:12
Racism is alive and well anywhere you go on this planet. Listen, even a fish in a barrel type place like Pattaya or Bangkok has racism with the local girls. I have witness it first hand myself. I do not expect in the Ukraine to be any different. I know that there are idiots that you go in this world. With that said, I am trying to measure as to what degree is the racism. Is it as bad as some part in the deep South in the 1960's? Or is the racism like Latin America where it does exist, but very midly like in Dominican Republic.
That is all that I was trying to see.
El CubanitoHi El Cubanito,
I am not white, in fact from what you say we probably have similar skin tone. I have been to many places in Eastern Europe, although admittedly not Russia or Ukraine. From what I have heard on the news, I would not be totally comfortable travelling on my own in Russia and not sticking to safe central tourist areas.
But I have read earlier in this forum that Ukraine is very safe, I have been to small villages in the east of Poland and that is safe for someone like me. So I would not be overtly worried.
I do think that based on my experiences that you will have an advantage with many women in Ukraine, so I am curious to see how this works out.
Once when I was drinking with a friend in Slovakia, a girl and an guy joined us at our table. After 20 minutes the girl asked me to show her my dick and earlier on she kept asking where I was from.
Hi there! I'll stay in this hotel in the end of may, any possibility to find girls inside?
Thanks!Hard core prostitues.
Ok, my bad, even if the matter of dressing style is of prime importance in FSU (at least to chase freebies, but chasing freebies isn't what FSU is all about?) , admittedly I have let myself be led to useless and rather futile points.Now we are talking on the right track.
BrasilSoccer0
05-17-12, 23:19
Your english is great bud. Better than some of my fellow americans.
Now, I've never sat foot in Ukraine or the "Eastern-block" but when you say "clubs" what kind of clubs are these? Other than the ones you specifically say "strip clubs" what are the other ones? Are they just regular dance clubs or what they refer to in Europe as "disco / discoteck"?
I have about 60 days vacation and I am playing to go to Moldova. I am doing my best to learn as much Russian as I can but that being said, what would you say the percentage of the "REGULAR" girls in Kiev and other smaller towns in the Ukraine that speak english?
And do you have experience in the smaller towns? I always prefer the smaller towns, that's where you find great GFEs!
Again, good report.
It's quite funny to follow posts here because everyone has his own opinion about spending time in Kiev and what girls to be hunted for. Why don't you stop it and pay more attention to facts than to opinions. I won't write again about Rio, just one last sentence: If you want a nice and "clean" nice girl, you don't have much time driving from club to club, don't speak Russian and you don't pay much attention to money, Rio is good. All other opinions here are totally right as well if you look for something different. Of course you have to choose very well the girl you take out and like always, if you don't take out a 9 or 10 the chances increase that she stays longer than 3 hrs. It's up to you and your attitude.
I was 6 days in Kiev and got a driver for USD 15 / hour to check out some clubs (most of them I know already)!
Deluxe: Great Club, beautiful girls, but not all of them you can take home, even the ones are professional sometimes don't go with foreigners, may be because they don't speak English or waiting for a Russian Billionaire.
Buddha Bar: Stylish Bar / restaurant like in every other country. Some Professionals at the bar, some nice some average ones. On Friday night at around midnight not much. Lots of tourists.
Vodka Bar: Worst experience in my life! Shitty club in the basement of a mall. Lots of young people and almost all drunken. Easy to pick up some drunken young girls but I didn't have a good feeling there (around 4:00 am). No good attitude there.
Shooters: walked in and out right after it. Not my style.
Mafia on Kreshatik: Had dinner there with a friend (around 11:00 pm). Already empty but great to watch girls walking by on the boardwalk and some pretty ones in the Restaurant. As always some look at you and you know why and some don't pay attention at all.
Avalon: I was there twice upstairs in the Karaoke bar and downstairs at the lounge. Nice women and nice atmosphere.
Rio:. I talked too much about it.
Club Dolls: Brand new Club on Red Army street. Nice new strip club with very good atmosphere but when we were there not too much girls. Some nice ones, some average. May be 25 girls. Prices almost same like Rio. My friend told me on another day it was more crowded.
Strip Club Paradise: on Left bank, same owner as Rio. Redneck area with just a few girls. Some nice, some not. Not worth going the long way.
Mandarin Boat: They open on May 25th (hopefully) in Podol. Boat like in the past days River Palace Boat. Same owner as Rio.
McDonalds on Kreshatik: well. Look at other posts here. Same opinion.
May be I forgot some clubs and of course there are some more I didn't visit.
Sorry for not writing more about it but I'm not like liljoy.
I can only give one advice from my side about being in Kiev. Behave like you are! You can be friendly, smile a lot, be a Gentleman and don't be arrogant. Dress nice but not too much. If you are natural and more like an average man with good behavior, you will have a lot of phone numbers and a lot of dates. But you need time for this as this is not for a one night F. If you just want to go there for F, go to a (strip) club and take a girl (if you have money) or go to Shooters, Vodka Bar or McDonalds at night if you don't have money. But it's work to get one. Of course this is a brief advice and my English is not so good.
Yes, there are girls in the lobby. Most former Soviet hotels have p2p girls.
Hi there! I'll stay in this hotel in the end of may, any possibility to find girls inside?
Thanks! .Kirch, nice report.
Ronaldinjo
05-18-12, 00:27
RIO Girls. $300/3 hours bullshit.
Other costs:
100 grivna cover.
At least 100 grivna tip for managers and admin.
100 grivna for taxi.
If you want to get 3-4 private dances to see the dancers pussy. Every private dance is 200 givna.
Drinks- I would say at around 400 grivna every visit- if dancers sit with you add extra- they will order drinks and cigs.
So far I would say every dancer you take home will cost you over $400.
The dancer probably will not stay with you for 3 hours and she may not give you BBBJ.
If you are super stupid and travel all the way from America to Kiev for RIO don't forget to add the cost of tickets, apartment, and food.
I would say every dancer will cost you over $500 for less than 2 hours and probably just covered BJ.
So don't be fooled by the fucking shill who keeps saying 3 hours for $300, its bullshitCompletely agree with you about the prices, if you are taking girl from Rio and you hasitate a little bit it will cost you minimum 400 $ for 2-3 hours. But man, be reasonable, you are smart enough to understand that lj is not a shill. And most of his comments about the girls are wright as I noticed, like most of yours were wright too. Agree that not worth to make all the way just for Rio, but Rio can be a good combination together with mamba and clubs.
Ronaldinjo
05-18-12, 00:33
It's quite funny to follow posts here because everyone has his own opinion about spending time in Kiev and what girls to be hunted for. Why don't you stop it and pay more attention to facts than to opinions. I won't write again about Rio, just one last sentence: If you want a nice and "clean" nice girl, you don't have much time driving from club to club, don't speak Russian and you don't pay much attention to money, Rio is good. All other opinions here are totally right as well if you look for something different. Of course you have to choose very well the girl you take out and like always, if you don't take out a 9 or 10 the chances increase that she stays longer than 3 hrs. It's up to you and your attitude.
I was 6 days in Kiev and got a driver for USD 15 / hour to check out some clubs (most of them I know already)!
Deluxe: Great Club, beautiful girls, but not all of them you can take home, even the ones are professional sometimes don't go with foreigners, may be because they don't speak English or waiting for a Russian Billionaire.
Buddha Bar: Stylish Bar / restaurant like in every other country. Some Professionals at the bar, some nice some average ones. On Friday night at around midnight not much. Lots of tourists.
Vodka Bar: Worst experience in my life! Shitty club in the basement of a mall. Lots of young people and almost all drunken. Easy to pick up some drunken young girls but I didn't have a good feeling there (around 4:00 am). No good attitude there.
Shooters: walked in and out right after it. Not my style.
Mafia on Kreshatik: Had dinner there with a friend (around 11:00 pm). Already empty but great to watch girls walking by on the boardwalk and some pretty ones in the Restaurant. As always some look at you and you know why and some don't pay attention at all.
Avalon: I was there twice upstairs in the Karaoke bar and downstairs at the lounge. Nice women and nice atmosphere.
Rio:. I talked too much about it.
Club Dolls: Brand new Club on Red Army street. Nice new strip club with very good atmosphere but when we were there not too much girls. Some nice ones, some average. May be 25 girls. Prices almost same like Rio. My friend told me on another day it was more crowded.
Strip Club Paradise: on Left bank, same owner as Rio. Redneck area with just a few girls. Some nice, some not. Not worth going the long way.
Mandarin Boat: They open on May 25th (hopefully) in Podol. Boat like in the past days River Palace Boat. Same owner as Rio.
McDonalds on Kreshatik: well. Look at other posts here. Same opinion.
May be I forgot some clubs and of course there are some more I didn't visit.
Sorry for not writing more about it but I'm not like liljoy.
I can only give one advice from my side about being in Kiev. Behave like you are! You can be friendly, smile a lot, be a Gentleman and don't be arrogant. Dress nice but not too much. If you are natural and more like an average man with good behavior, you will have a lot of phone numbers and a lot of dates. But you need time for this as this is not for a one night F. If you just want to go there for F, go to a (strip) club and take a girl (if you have money) or go to Shooters, Vodka Bar or McDonalds at night if you don't have money. But it's work to get one. Of course this is a brief advice and my English is not so good.Nice report, but I noticed that you are scared to talk about Rio, not to get critisized. Kirch, you reports about Rio are also very nice, but pity you don't mention name of girls (as lj and muddy did, and me too) , their performances, what they allow and their attitude. It could help future visitors you know. Think about it and don't be afraid. There are a lot of people who like to read Lj comment, your and muddies too. But be more specific about girls names and their attitude. With respect, ronaldinjo
I've never sat foot in Ukraine or the "Eastern-block" but when you say "clubs" what kind of clubs are these? Other than the ones you specifically say "strip clubs" what are the other ones? Are they just regular dance clubs or what they refer to in Europe as "disco / discoteck"?I personally find that the problem in Kiev is that nightlife is all about clubs (glam places where pretentiousness is at its most garish and that play mind-numbing techno). It lacks of a good DJ bars, I mean fun and "in" but unpretentious places mixing upscale and drinking hole under one roof, playing good Russian pop or dancable 90s hits, with drunk girls dancing on every elevated place that the place allows, amateur strip shows where inebriated sluts taken in the audience are ready to bare it all for a mug of mojito, ect. You mentionned Chisinau, which IMO is much better in this respect with GREAT places like Nostalgie, Militari, ect, but from my experience, if this is the kind of places you enjoy (as I do) , Russia is much better than Ukraine. Russians are IMO more "let go" and wilder when they party. I might be wrong though, as I am not a specialist of Kiev nightlife.
El Cubanito
05-18-12, 11:57
It's quite funny to follow posts here because everyone has his own opinion about spending time in Kiev and what girls to be hunted for. Why don't you stop it and pay more attention to facts than to opinions. I won't write again about Rio, just one last sentence: If you want a nice and "clean" nice girl, you don't have much time driving from club to club, don't speak Russian and you don't pay much attention to money, Rio is good. All other opinions here are totally right as well if you look for something different. Of course you have to choose very well the girl you take out and like always, if you don't take out a 9 or 10 the chances increase that she stays longer than 3 hrs. It's up to you and your attitude.
I was 6 days in Kiev and got a driver for USD 15 / hour to check out some clubs (most of them I know already)!
Deluxe: Great Club, beautiful girls, but not all of them you can take home, even the ones are professional sometimes don't go with foreigners, may be because they don't speak English or waiting for a Russian Billionaire.
Buddha Bar: Stylish Bar / restaurant like in every other country. Some Professionals at the bar, some nice some average ones. On Friday night at around midnight not much. Lots of tourists.
Vodka Bar: Worst experience in my life! Shitty club in the basement of a mall. Lots of young people and almost all drunken. Easy to pick up some drunken young girls but I didn't have a good feeling there (around 4:00 am). No good attitude there.
Shooters: walked in and out right after it. Not my style.
Mafia on Kreshatik: Had dinner there with a friend (around 11:00 pm). Already empty but great to watch girls walking by on the boardwalk and some pretty ones in the Restaurant. As always some look at you and you know why and some don't pay attention at all.
Avalon: I was there twice upstairs in the Karaoke bar and downstairs at the lounge. Nice women and nice atmosphere.
Rio:. I talked too much about it.
Club Dolls: Brand new Club on Red Army street. Nice new strip club with very good atmosphere but when we were there not too much girls. Some nice ones, some average. May be 25 girls. Prices almost same like Rio. My friend told me on another day it was more crowded.
Strip Club Paradise: on Left bank, same owner as Rio. Redneck area with just a few girls. Some nice, some not. Not worth going the long way.
Mandarin Boat: They open on May 25th (hopefully) in Podol. Boat like in the past days River Palace Boat. Same owner as Rio.
McDonalds on Kreshatik: well. Look at other posts here. Same opinion.
May be I forgot some clubs and of course there are some more I didn't visit.
Sorry for not writing more about it but I'm not like liljoy.
I can only give one advice from my side about being in Kiev. Behave like you are! You can be friendly, smile a lot, be a Gentleman and don't be arrogant. Dress nice but not too much. If you are natural and more like an average man with good behavior, you will have a lot of phone numbers and a lot of dates. But you need time for this as this is not for a one night F. If you just want to go there for F, go to a (strip) club and take a girl (if you have money) or go to Shooters, Vodka Bar or McDonalds at night if you don't have money. But it's work to get one. Of course this is a brief advice and my English is not so good.Kirch, great, great report. You have given me a very good insight into Kiev. Thanks and I will return the favor when I come back in June.
El Cubanito
05-18-12, 12:11
RIO Girls. $300/3 hours bullshit.
Other costs:
100 grivna cover.
At least 100 grivna tip for managers and admin.
100 grivna for taxi.
If you want to get 3-4 private dances to see the dancers pussy. Every private dance is 200 givna.
Drinks- I would say at around 400 grivna every visit- if dancers sit with you add extra- they will order drinks and cigs.
So far I would say every dancer you take home will cost you over $400.
The dancer probably will not stay with you for 3 hours and she may not give you BBBJ.
If you are super stupid and travel all the way from America to Kiev for RIO don't forget to add the cost of tickets, apartment, and food.
I would say every dancer will cost you over $500 for less than 2 hours and probably just covered BJ.
So don't be fooled by the fucking shill who keeps saying 3 hours for $300, its bullshitMuddy, I have done some quick convertion of money and If I did my math right and base on a exchange of 8. 05 from Dollar to Grivna. Then a drink will cost you around $50 US Dollars? WOW! Isn't this kind of high?
Kirch, did you pay this kind of money when you were there in Rio? I do not want to make this a pissing contest. I just want to know if this data is real.
All of the other price as far as I can tell are reasonable and comparable to prices in New York.
Thank you Ronaldinjo. I wrote already why I don't mention the girl names at Rio. It's simple, They all stay longer than 3 hrs and some give more service. I don't want to get them into trouble. I hope you understand.
Cheers
Muddy, I have done some quick convertion of money and If I did my math right and base on a exchange of 8. 05 from Dollar to Grivna. Then a drink will cost you around $50 US Dollars? WOW! Isn't this kind of high?
Kirch, did you pay this kind of money when you were there in Rio? I do not want to make this a pissing contest. I just want to know if this data is real.
All of the other price as far as I can tell are reasonable and comparable to prices in New York.Hi EC, don't be fooled into visiting Rio from the deceptive intel posted on this thread. Kirch is a creation of LJ to promote the club. As a matter of fact, here are all of the other LJ creations: Harry Hardman, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja.
Also, racism will not be an issue for you, assuming you are an older adult, behave yourself, and stay in city center. Do be careful of groups of young people on the Metro. Choose your position on a train carefully. You don't want to be sandwiched in between a group of punks.
As to your clothes and shoes, make sure they are new and fit you well. Good luck and please report back.
Thank you. You have 2 types of clubs. Strip Clubs like Rio, Velvet, Paradise, Club Dolls, Arena Cabaret, Solid Gold or Joss. Like the name says, first of all it's a strip club with girls dancing topless and private dances. Just a few offer as well that you can take the girls to your apartment or Hotel. These clubs are Rio, Paradise or Club Dolls. About the other ones I don't know. Average price is about USD 300 for 2-3 hrs.
On the other hand you have normal Bars / Clubs / Discotheques like Buddha Bar, Deluxe (my favorite) , Vodka Bar, Avalon or Shooters. You can find there professionals as well. Mostly they sit at the bar and of course most of the time you notice due to their looks.
Try to learn some nice words or sentences in Russian but the best way is to use an app or something my friends do. You talk the sentence you want to say in your language in the phone and then it's written in Russian on your IPhone or Samsung. Great but forgot the name. It's translate even F Words. Haha.
Like always the girls in the redneck areas are better than the spoiled ones in the city. I did not have experience with this in Ukraine but in Russia. It's hard work ending up sitting with a beautiful natural girl in a restaurant and nobody talks. Try it.
Your english is great bud. Better than some of my fellow americans.
Now, I've never sat foot in Ukraine or the "Eastern-block" but when you say "clubs" what kind of clubs are these? Other than the ones you specifically say "strip clubs" what are the other ones? Are they just regular dance clubs or what they refer to in Europe as "disco / discoteck"?
I have about 60 days vacation and I am playing to go to Moldova. I am doing my best to learn as much Russian as I can but that being said, what would you say the percentage of the "REGULAR" girls in Kiev and other smaller towns in the Ukraine that speak english?
And do you have experience in the smaller towns? I always prefer the smaller towns, that's where you find great GFEs!
Again, good report.
Thank you Climaxx for your nice words.
Hi EC, don't be fooled into visiting Rio from the deceptive intel posted on this thread. Kirch is a creation of LJ to promote the club. As a matter of fact, here are all of the other LJ creations: Harry Hardman, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja.
Also, racism will not be an issue for you, assuming you are an older adult, behave yourself, and stay in city center. Do be careful of groups of young gopnick types on the Metro trains.
As to your clothes and shoes, make sure they are new and fit you well. Good luck and please report back.
Chill Bill
05-18-12, 16:16
Kirch. Help me out here. What is the general feeling about finding girls in McDonalds? Also, you speak about Kreshatik. What about the McDonalds at Independence Square?
McDonalds on Kreshatik: well. Look at other posts here. Same opinion.
Almost no experience with McDonalds. Have been a couple of times at around 4:00 or 5:00 am in the morning there on Kreshatik because I was hungry. Lots of girls hanging out there because they are hungry too. Almost every other one is drunken. So I guess it's easy to talk to them. Use the search engine and you will find more.
Kirch. Help me out here. What is the general feeling about finding girls in McDonalds? Also, you speak about Kreshatik. What about the McDonalds at Independence Square?
Ronaldinjo
05-18-12, 20:47
Thank you Ronaldinjo. I wrote already why I don't mention the girl names at Rio. It's simple, They all stay longer than 3 hrs and some give more service. I don't want to get them into trouble. I hope you understand.
CheersI understand you Kirch, but please inform us at least about the girls you don't take home, there were some very nice girls in my last Rio trip, unfortunately most of them not for takeout. So if there is some change in their attitude please inform us, every information is usefull, for me, for Lj, and for every person that loves Kiev strip bars. With respect, Ronaldinjo
I am not a creation of anybody else. Just an independent old monger. Nothing to do with anybody else
Kirch. Help me out here. What is the general feeling about finding girls in McDonalds? Also, you speak about Kreshatik. What about the McDonalds at Independence Square?Just tell them you are McDad, and they can have you & get paid for it as well.
Also ask them, wether they want their Coke Shaken, or Stirred, LOL.
Same on Maidan, Independence Square.
BTW, I am not Kirch.
I personally find that the problem in Kiev is that nightlife is all about clubs (glam places where pretentiousness is at its most garish and that play mind-numbing techno). It lacks of a good DJ bars, I mean fun and "in" but unpretentious places mixing upscale and drinking hole under one roof, playing good Russian pop or dancable 90s hits, with drunk girls dancing on every elevated place that the place allows, amateur strip shows where inebriated sluts taken in the audience are ready to bare it all for a mug of mojito, ect. You mentionned Chisinau, which IMO is much better in this respect with GREAT places like Nostalgie, Militari, ect, but from my experience, if this is the kind of places you enjoy (as I do) , Russia is much better than Ukraine. Russians are IMO more "let go" and wilder when they party. I might be wrong though, as I am not a specialist of Kiev nightlife..
Prosal. Honestly I couldn't agree more with the above.
Don't laugh, I did Moscow in my teens, went there with Mom. I do recall very lively nights at the hotel where we stayed at. A huge building (Intourist Hotel?).
Also during intervals, at the Theatre. .
Very Wild lot, more Eastern than really Europeans, the Russians are.
Even during gap years being impoverished students, we used to head when in London, to a well known Russian Knees up place, called Borscht & Tears, in Knightsbridge London.
Its still going I believe, but havn't tried it yet.
Aussie girls are great for that kind of night as well. A good combination with English ladetts.
I personally find that the problem in Kiev is that nightlife is all about clubs (glam places where pretentiousness is at its most garish and that play mind-numbing techno). It lacks of a good DJ bars, I mean fun and "in" but unpretentious places mixing upscale and drinking hole under one roof, playing good Russian pop or dancable 90s hits, with drunk girls dancing on every elevated place that the place allows, amateur strip shows where inebriated sluts taken in the audience are ready to bare it all for a mug of mojito, ect. You mentionned Chisinau, which IMO is much better in this respect with GREAT places like Nostalgie, Militari, ect, but from my experience, if this is the kind of places you enjoy (as I do) , Russia is much better than Ukraine. Russians are IMO more "let go" and wilder when they party. I might be wrong though, as I am not a specialist of Kiev nightlife..
Prosal. Honestly I couldn't agree more with the above.
Don't laugh, I did Moscow in my teens, went there with Mom. I do recall very lively nights at the hotel where we stayed at. A huge building (Intourist Hotel?).
Also during intervals, at the Theatre. .
Very Wild lot, more Eastern than really Europeans, the Russians are.
Even during gap years being impoverished students, we used to head when in London, to a well known Russian Knees up place, called Borscht & Tears, in Knightsbridge London.
Its still going I believe, but havn't tried it yet last few years.
Aussie girls are great for that kind of night as well. A good combination with English ladetts.
Harry Hardman
05-19-12, 16:46
Hi EC, don't be fooled into visiting Rio from the deceptive intel posted on this thread. Kirch is a creation of LJ to promote the club. As a matter of fact, here are all of the other LJ creations: Harry Hardman, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja.
Also, racism will not be an issue for you, assuming you are an older adult, behave yourself, and stay in city center. Do be careful of groups of young people on the Metro. Choose your position on a train carefully. You don't want to be sandwiched in between a group of punks.
As to your clothes and shoes, make sure they are new and fit you well. Good luck and please report back.No offense but you sounded like a vengeful jilted wife of LJ. LOL.
All you guys, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja who are mentioned in the above post; please make your comments and set this crazy straight.
Harry Hardman
05-19-12, 16:52
I know its sometimes excessive posting about that venue, but I don't know about the Shill thing either.
I mean there must be much easier ways of making money, especially for someone who comes across as very intelectual with an extensive English vocabulary.
Anyways how much do Shills make, and does the venue evalute their Shilling to pay them?
Reading another post here, there is a mention of "Marketing Tool " for a certain fashion brand? . Wot 2 Shills lurking here, LOL?I don't know. Maybe they get a free' beer holder' to look at the girls who are 6 to 7 and turn them into a 10. LOL.
Maybe if they do a really good job, they get a freebie hour given by the club or something.
No offense but you sounded like a vengeful jilted wife of LJ. LOL.
All you guys, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja who are mentioned in the above post; please make your comments and set this crazy straight.Please add Chill Bill to the list.
Harry Hardman
05-19-12, 18:06
Please add Chill Bill to the list.Sure, buddy. It's done. Chill Bill, you are on the Sir Climaxnow's LJ Creation list.
No offense but you sounded like a vengeful jilted wife of LJ. LOL.
All you guys, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja who are mentioned in the above post; please make your comments and set this crazy straight.Harry, just as it's obvious to you, that Climaxnow's statements are "vengeful" and motivated by malice, having no regard for the actual truth, (the same can be said for the obviously malicious tone in Muddy7's statements as well) , so too can any other member who is a sensible person also figure it out.
There is no need to further respond in a misguided attempt to protect the integrity of the reliable information I posted in this thread, since it appears that the Administrator of this forum does not care, and continues to allow such rubbish to be posted on the thread.
So in that case I say, let the intelligent among the readership, who will see through the malicious attacks and false allegations of shilling, and will choose to read the informative reports I have posted over the last year until recently, let them read and be entertained, or gain insight from the reports and analysis. And let the people who will unfortunately be misguided, be misguided and be denied the benefit of the accurate information and analysis I took pains to post. If the Administrator of the forum doesn't really care about it that much, why should I care any longer?
This doesn't mean I won't continue to post. It just means that I'm not going to respond or reply to every stupidity that a malicious person decides to post. I will post when I have something to say or point out that benefits the newbies reading this forum, or that benefits those mongers like me who are looking for high quality p4p during a short trip.
There are essentially two completely different categories of mongers who both make their home on this forum. Those interested in chasing freebies. And those interested in P4P. The kinds of analysis and information that is helpful to each of these two distinct categories, is different for each. Freebies seekers have been discussing the appropriate style of dress to be able to snag the most beautiful high level glamour girls out of the clubs. These are not WG's, they are civilians and the hottest of the hot at the top of the female food chain. Hunting girls on that level is serious business. And because it is necessary for the hunter to understand what motivates his prey, the pundits involved in such games weigh in on how best to dress in such a pursuit. All the while, the guys who are interested in only p4p are reading those posts and rolling their eyes, thinking it is silly, because what's the difference what you wear, when the girl is going to have sex with you in exchange for the money you will be giving her. But those posts about fashion were not written for us p4p guys. They were written by freebie seeking guys for other freebie seekers. Let's just understand that we are two separate kinds of mongers, each with approaches best suited for the nature of the hunt, whether for freebies or for p4p, and we are sharing this thread. Of course, there are also guys who are cross-mongers, meaning they are chasing freebies and approach all girls on that basis, but if the girl turns out to be p4p and interested in money, then these guys can change gears in a flat second. When I go to a regular nightclub, I find it is best to approach all girls as if they are freebies, and let them bring up money, as I do not want the be slapped in public if I proposition the wrong girl. So even though I'm primarily geared up for p4p, I think it's advise able to take some care with how one dresses. I.
And if it turns out the girl is a freebie, then all the better.
LJ
I was just chatting with (one of) my girlfriend (s) , who is highly educated (Masters degree) and works for a large bank, which flies her across the country and beyond and supposedly gets paid well. Getting well paid has a different meaning in Ukr: about 2000 Hrivna per month!
How can they live on that?
Well, in FSU, during soviet times people were often given a place to live, for life, for free. When USSR broke up, only 20 years ago, people kept possession of these apartments. A lot of people with money bought apartments at the time from those who needed the money to eat, but most kept their apartments.
Now. 20 years later, many people still live rent free, sometimes in crowded conditions (but nothing like Asia) , or they rent out their apartments and live in a cheaper area. If they sell at the right time, they can do fairly well. I know of a girl who had her own place at the tender age or 25, when her grandmother sold her place at the right time, and was able to buy 2 places a couple of years later (one for herself and one for the grand-daughter). When grad-ma passes on, any time now, they will have another apartment to sell or rent.
This is an often forgotten source of wealth. In North America owning your own house or apartment is a goal of most people, a (formerly) achievable goal, if you worked hard and saved your money. Finally paying off that apartment / house, is huge step towards economic independence and eventual retirement. Once people stop paying rent or mortgage, they realize that they can actually live on very little money.
In a way this system makes people complacent in the FSU, specially women who have their own apartments, because they really have no reason to work too hard or seek career advancement. A few hundred Euros (or couple of thousand hrivna) will cover all their costs. It also makes it easier for men to leave their wives or even their pregnant wives, because they know the wife will at least have a place to live.
Anyway, all I am saying is that 300 Euros or dollars for some action, or whatever is being reported here, is a hell of a lot of money. And this is also the reason why perfectly beautiful 20 year old students are sometimes quite happy to do the deed for 50-100 USD.
Anyway, just a thought. Nothing that has not been said before.
Hi EC, don't be fooled into visiting Rio from the deceptive intel posted on this thread. Kirch is a creation of LJ to promote the club. As a matter of fact, here are all of the other LJ creations: Harry Hardman, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja.Thursday: The unmentionable strip-club was overcrowded, several cues to seat, every table and stool busy. Short of dancing staff, as many were seated with clients. Many Americans (North and South). The managers, waiters, and dancers running up and down. Perhaps 4 very beautiful girls, perhaps 4 ugly (of course just my taste).
Freebies: Not successful for the moment. The biggest challenge: to coordinate the different timetables.
Regarding to Climaxnow statement. May I ask anybody to explain me the difference between his posts and the ones form a troll?
Hi EC, don't be fooled into visiting Rio from the deceptive intel posted on this thread. Kirch is a creation of LJ to promote the club. As a matter of fact, here are all of the other LJ creations: Harry Hardman, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja..
Well by now we have covered Kiev in depth, from Mamba to clubs, cafes, fashion.
All simple and straight forward.
I can't comment on the above, simply because I don't KNOW?
But, and a Big But, is the above, which begs the following Questions.
1. I am not techie by any means, but I thought that whoever is in charge of ISG, should be able to detect the location of the ISP of the various posters/
Does the poster need different Lap tops, Phones, ipads whatever to post, depending on which creation he is using.
2. Then the poster needs different email addresses doesn't He or she.
3Had a quick look ont the above usernames, and they are all senior members.
Did they get the senior status by buying it or by posting.
4. If LJ is what you say he is / then he must have written a different script for each one of his "Creations " Then. He needs a super memory, so he doesn't get caught out.
5. Liljoey as we know does exist. How do I Know.
A respected senior member here (The Knight actually met him in person at that well known club ). LJ also posted that he met Hunter Dave at Arena.
Well we all know that Hunter is an old hand Kiev Monger.
6. Say LJ is "Promoting or Shilling that place ", then so what?
I have been there few times, and there is no amount of shilling going to convince me to take out a girl from there for US$300. Simply, because its above my budget.
And secondly I don't live in a mongering shithole, that I need to splash out US$300.
Thirdly I go for short time anyway.
7. Anyone who goes to Kiev is smart enough to make up his own mind on what is suitable for his mongering needs. .
8 Suppose LJ is the "Shill " that some are calling him/
Then he is wasting his time doing it, for the following reasons.
A. Like I posted he comes across a Very Intellectual Guy, Very Polite, real indepth posts, Super Memroy, he could be a very good Ghost Writer, and the best Script writer for say a Film, Our Man in Kiev.
He can also be a very good actor, playing the various parts including the Portugese Latino Lingo, in Rolanldninja.
LJ, if I were you PAL, I would base myself in Hollywood, and not KIEV.
I for one would nominate you for the Oscars, for the Biggest Award in Taking The [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of the Frisky Mongers on the Kiev Thread. LOL.
Greetings from the best mongering Place in the world.
LONDON. Yes I am Shilling & Promoting London and Proud of it.
I owe it to this great city and its residnts for all the great times I had over the years, since I landed here from a cross the Atlantic.
Sorry for all the drivel. Celebrating Chelsea's Win over Bayrin Munich.
Watch out UA, England team Landing there SOON
Just tell them you are McDad, and they can have you & get paid for it as well.
Also ask them, wether they want their Coke Shaken, or Stirred, LOL.
Same on Maidan, Independence Square.
BTW, I am not Kirch.Ooops.
Don't mention the castrated male sheep "wether "
Delta Indigo
05-20-12, 10:45
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I owe it to this great city and its residnts for all the great times I had over the years, since I landed here from a cross the Atlantic.
Sorry for all the drivel. Celebrating Chelsea's Win over Bayrin Munich.
Watch out UA, England team Landing there SOONHi Jojosun,
I live in London and I am also from across the Atlantic, I have been living in London for over 10 years now. Do you have a similar background?
Hi Jojosun,
I live in London and I am also from across the Atlantic, I have been living in London for over 10 years now. Do you have a similar background?.
Hi Delta.
I think you sound fron your posts as a much nicer guy. The jojo in me is more of a bastard (Ask Prosal, LOL) , wasted a lot of money on Booze & hookers, clubs, girls, you name it.
All of this is refelected in my Crap writing style, spelling and grammer mistakes.
Still typing with one finger wherever I can find a Corner In The Land Of (LAPTOPTISTAN) , where I save money by Free Roaming and on Electricity, so I can afford funding my Hobby.
BTW, in (LAPTOPTISTAN) its also a great place to hook up with girls as well. Ask New Yorkers.
Mrs Jojo last night yelled at me, when I got home "I took you out of Clubs and Bars, but I never took the Clubs out of you ".
And I am the Holder of 2 Passports, but only travel on one at a time.
Now, does this sound similar to you?
I was just chatting with (one of) my girlfriend (s) , who is highly educated (Masters degree) and works for a large bank, which flies her across the country and beyond and supposedly gets paid well. Getting well paid has a different meaning in Ukr: about 2000 Hrivna per month!
How can they live on that?
Well, in FSU, during soviet times people were often given a place to live, for life, for free. When USSR broke up, only 20 years ago, people kept possession of these apartments. A lot of people with money bought apartments at the time from those who needed the money to eat, but most kept their apartments.
Now. 20 years later, many people still live rent free, sometimes in crowded conditions (but nothing like Asia) , or they rent out their apartments and live in a cheaper area. If they sell at the right time, they can do fairly well. I know of a girl who had her own place at the tender age or 25, when her grandmother sold her place at the right time, and was able to buy 2 places a couple of years later (one for herself and one for the grand-daughter). When grad-ma passes on, any time now, they will have another apartment to sell or rent.
This is an often forgotten source of wealth. In North America owning your own house or apartment is a goal of most people, a (formerly) achievable goal, if you worked hard and saved your money. Finally paying off that apartment / house, is huge step towards economic independence and eventual retirement. Once people stop paying rent or mortgage, they realize that they can actually live on very little money.
In a way this system makes people complacent in the FSU, specially women who have their own apartments, because they really have no reason to work too hard or seek career advancement. A few hundred Euros (or couple of thousand hrivna) will cover all their costs. It also makes it easier for men to leave their wives or even their pregnant wives, because they know the wife will at least have a place to live.
Anyway, all I am saying is that 300 Euros or dollars for some action, or whatever is being reported here, is a hell of a lot of money. And this is also the reason why perfectly beautiful 20 year old students are sometimes quite happy to do the deed for 50-100 USD.
Anyway, just a thought. Nothing that has not been said before.Good post. You know what you are talking about.
Ronaldinjo
05-20-12, 16:38
No offense but you sounded like a vengeful jilted wife of LJ. LOL.
All you guys, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja who are mentioned in the above post; please make your comments and set this crazy straight.I and reasonable people in thread are sure that Lj is not a shill and is very honest person. I wish there would be another 10 Ljs in the thread, unfortunately he is only one, with his detailed and honest comments. Even if he pays a lot for girls or not, its his money and he can do whatever he wishes with them. Its nobodies buziness. About accusing me and kirch beingljs creation LOL
AColonizer
05-20-12, 18:58
Yes, you are right. A lot of members say that for years. It is just logic. And that is the reason for which Western females were changed. But how can we change male mindset? How can we avoid one more disaster in Eastern Europe? And how can we keep pimps outside this forum?
I was just chatting with (one of) my girlfriend (s) , who is highly educated (Masters degree) and works for a large bank, which flies her across the country and beyond and supposedly gets paid well. Getting well paid has a different meaning in Ukr: about 2000 Hrivna per month!
How can they live on that?
Well, in FSU, during soviet times people were often given a place to live, for life, for free. When USSR broke up, only 20 years ago, people kept possession of these apartments. A lot of people with money bought apartments at the time from those who needed the money to eat, but most kept their apartments.
Now. 20 years later, many people still live rent free, sometimes in crowded conditions (but nothing like Asia) , or they rent out their apartments and live in a cheaper area. If they sell at the right time, they can do fairly well. I know of a girl who had her own place at the tender age or 25, when her grandmother sold her place at the right time, and was able to buy 2 places a couple of years later (one for herself and one for the grand-daughter). When grad-ma passes on, any time now, they will have another apartment to sell or rent.
This is an often forgotten source of wealth. In North America owning your own house or apartment is a goal of most people, a (formerly) achievable goal, if you worked hard and saved your money. Finally paying off that apartment / house, is huge step towards economic independence and eventual retirement. Once people stop paying rent or mortgage, they realize that they can actually live on very little money.
In a way this system makes people complacent in the FSU, specially women who have their own apartments, because they really have no reason to work too hard or seek career advancement. A few hundred Euros (or couple of thousand hrivna) will cover all their costs. It also makes it easier for men to leave their wives or even their pregnant wives, because they know the wife will at least have a place to live.
Anyway, all I am saying is that 300 Euros or dollars for some action, or whatever is being reported here, is a hell of a lot of money. And this is also the reason why perfectly beautiful 20 year old students are sometimes quite happy to do the deed for 50-100 USD.
Anyway, just a thought. Nothing that has not been said before.
AColonizer
05-20-12, 19:23
And about an absolute different matter, that is a honest relationship between a Western man and a Eastern woman.
You have reported right about incomes, prices and lifestyles in Ukraine.
You should also ask your girlfriends the reason because Eastern women have a serious relationship just with Eastern men, even if their men can offer them just a shitty lifestyle.
And you should also ask your girlfriends the reason because Eastern women are always in relationship with Western men just for their own advantage, and sex doesn't mean anything because it is just a weapon to win a war with foreigners.
I was just chatting with (one of) my girlfriend (s) , . Anyway, just a thought. Nothing that has not been said before.
I and reasonable people in thread are sure that Lj is not a shill and is very honest person. I wish there would be another 10 Ljs in the thread, unfortunately he is only one, with his detailed and honest comments. Even if he pays a lot for girls or not, its his money and he can do whatever he wishes with them. Its nobodies buziness. About accusing me and kirch beingljs creation LOLJust create four more characters and you will have 10 LJ's. Daaah!
SmilySmartie
05-20-12, 22:49
I was in Kiev last week and had an unforgettable GFE. I am single, a Western national, upper 40s old, company executive, decently handsome and sporty looking and speak fluent Russian. I was on a 3-day holiday and booked a room in a girl-friendly apartment. Actually the place is intentionally prepared for the distinguished monger. The apartments are furnished with mirrored oversize wardrobes, giving you a great panoramic view on what is happening in your bed as you lie in it. The large whirl pool in the bathroom also is handy. I love the youngest, best looking dievs. I prefer the slender petite small breasted ones. I forego the average – would rather spend the night alone. I despise more than others the public display and clamoring for the hot girls in the clubs (which I avoid). Hence, I tried my luck at mamba, set up a free account without photo or story about myself and searched for dievs, having put he checkmark „looking for sex'. Mamba is so user-group-oriented. I sent mamba mails to a few dievs, and in particular to one very nice looking one with more photos than the others and the most sexy profile entries like „looking for a sponsor', „like one-night stands', „loves sports and sex', „live a healthy lifestyle', „ambitious little dreamer'.23 years. 1,62 m. 45kg, just the right, tiny and tight frame to make for a wonderful visual and physical experience. The photos showed a gymnast's body, hard and healthy, in some stretch poses, but all in very good taste and somewhat discreet not to give away the diev's identity. To my honest suprise, this gal was the only one to respond to me. I explained my case to her by a few mamba mails: „age, educated and respectful Western single man looking for 3 days of GFE'. She replied in quick succession and asked some further questions for plausibility. Then she abruptly told her price, „110 USD per hour for sex with me', sent her e-mail and requested a photo picture and my cell phone number, which I supplied. I thought it sexy and professinal how she turned to the core of the matter. I told her that I insist on DFK and that she should come over right away. She sent an sms and I called her back. She was on her way, and said she was unsure and uneasy about whether I was telling the truth. I calmly replied in Russian that we should meet outside the apartment and take some food and talk. Reassuring a diev is always important. I bought some roses and waited for her outside the apartment. When I first saw her, I almost did not recognize her face from the photos, small frame, everything tiny and immaculate and very, very beautiful. Tight deep orange pants, black high heels exposing a pair of immaculate red toe nails, a blouse, a nicely maquillaged face, long flowing hair and pretty hands. We sat down. She was nervous but opened up during coffee and juice. After 20 min I asked her if she still was uneasy. She said she was fine and wanted to move to the apartment. We went up and looked at photos on my tablet, started to cuddle up and decided to undress one another. What a body, pure magic, not a gramm of fat, small but still shapely tits. We snaked around one another and watched one another in the mirror and exchanged DFK. We both had showered before. When we were naked we laid down and hugged. She seemed very receptive but not very active. I gave her a 40 min body massage, got to all parts and checked her out good, all very clean and cute and youthful, be e a you t I f you l vag, She loved to bend over my body exposing her throat by kicking her head back in pleasure, and not minding my hand caressing her vag and mock gagging her exposed throat (I was very tender with this lass). Then she used her hands, lips and tongue on my body. No BBBJ, but she rolled her tongue and lips around my bare dick like biting into a sausage, avoiding contact with the glans. She knew how to avoid danger. I asked her to motion her head always close to my dick for a more explicit image in the mirror. I asked her to use her hands without interruption. We fucked passionately with a condom, but I was a little tired, so I asked her to finish me off with her hands without condom. She readily responded. For the most intense orgasm, I laid on my back, moved her head back very close to my erect dick which was pointng skyward. She applied slight pressure to my balls and anus with the one hand while her other hand was jerking my dick in stride. I came. I spurted five times, like a 20-year old porn stallion, long, hot and high shots of semen which smothered her hands and also hit her very pretty face. She continued to slowly rub the top of my dick which was lubricated in sperm for many minutes, and I could only sigh in awe for her patience and experience. Elegant, youthful, manicured fingers deeply covered in cum. She then showered and relatively soon wanted to leave, for she said she had to work the entire next day in the studio (her regular job). I gave her 250 EUR for 3 hours, thereof maybe 90 min in bed, plus 20 EUR for the taxi. She was a little insistent in that moment but I guess that comes with the job. Money talks I thought. The next day I spent looking at the musuems and sights, and could not wait to meet my diev for a repeat the day thereafter. That day we met at 3 pm in the city for I had promised to buy her a pair of shoes. She looked ravishing and very very sweet when she came into the coffee shop where we had agreed to meet. A 9 for the face and a 10 for the body, immaculate new high heels and black, reasonably tight pants, and a wonderful white blouse with a black rose. I had procured another set of white roses, which she appreciated a lot. What was to follow was a 3 hour shopping marathon that left me short of 300 EUR for 2 pairs of shoes, a skirt and a blouse. I was in a generous mood, but especially I enjoyed the fashion show this diev put on form as she went through endless pieces of apparel and footwear. She just would not quit. I was impressed with her taste, elegance and simplicity. None of the vulgar galore all to known in Eastern Europe aged, jaded or oversized ladies. I was suprised she even chose a pair of comfy no heel white ballerinas, which she wore from that point on, and a very sexy pair of medium heel summer sandals exposing her flawless feet. We ate Sushi and decided to make it back to the apartment. I was very hard, but our legs were tired. So we decided to jump into the whirl pool. I made a huge pile of foam and she entered naked. She wanted a few foam pictures on her camera which I took. Man, the diev looked like a star on Met_Art, clearly above the Met-Art average, which sometimes features gals who are too fleshy and big-boobed for my taste. I enterd the pool and placed myself underneath her, elevating her upper beautiful bodyscape out of the water. The water was slightly on the hot side. She enjoyed the coolnees of levitating half way in the water and halfway in the air, and I appreciated seeing her sexual parts nicely and delicately exposed amid mountain of foam. She still wore make up, and again threw her head back and was anxious were my massage would lead her. I caressed her tits which were pointing skywards. I carressed her tummy, her face and legs for endless times, shoving warm water and shampoo on her body in loose intervals. Finally I inserted my middle finger into her shaven pussy, which was very wet and slippery by that time. She parted her legs for better penetration and I started to gyrate my finger all the while caressing her tummy, tits and clit with the other hand. Finally I placed the free hand firmly on her venus mound and carressed her strongly there, with the middle finger of the other hand still doing its magic deep inside her tummy. She started moaning and panting for a long time, then pushing out high pitch, suppressed sounds of lust, one two, three, four, five, six, seven times and then she came in the sweetest way in a long succession of major convulsions. My generosity, nice manner, true story) and tenderness had turned this lass around from a pretty but reticent service attitude into a dreamy defenseless quimmering, overwhelmed, lust-flooded, lost orgasmic angel. We kept hugging for a long time and she entertained my dick with her hands under water. The next thing we did was see a major European football match event on TV before we retired to the bedroom for my deserved reward. The diev went right to work with a BBBJ, this time very slowly but surely attacking the glans with her tongue and then deep throating my member. She looked so good in the mirror in her motions, her tight stomach facing downwards to the bed without any type of curvature or even fat hangig down. She developed enormous energy and endurance – she would not want to have it any other way, until I spurt deep into her throat – I never saw my spice of life again. Afterwards she started a long back massage and we talked. When I was ready for a second round, I positioned her behind me telling her she should alawys show her face and body silhouette and point her hands and my dick towards the mirror. She stroked me expertly. Switching between seeing her innocent Met-Art type face and body and her rapidly flinging hands, fingers and nails around my dick and balls I could not hold on for long and spurted three times, the furst spurt again of spectacular quality, volume and height. She cleaned me and we relaxed. Later that evening we went out, shot some hours talking, eating sushi and smoking kaleon (which I will never do again). All in all I spent some 1 000 EUR on her in 2 days, which opened her up completely. She told me that her mamba page gets 6 000 visits a month (!). This lass gets between 50 and 100 responses a day, she said. She makes 250 EUR / month as a receptinist at a studio and about 1 000 EUR as a diev. She only gets herself to do 2 or 3 guys per month, she prefers foreigners, and she does not consider herself a prostitute. She wants a family and a decent life. She never does clubs and wants to stay discrete and unknown. She was never photographed and there is no pic of her on the web other than her mamba site. She lives in her apartment and enjoys a healthy life. In summary, I was very lucky to to be able to sponsor a Met-Art quality type of diev 23 years younger than myself, had endless voyeuristic pleasure and she made me cum at will. Sustaining and sponsoring the gal's shopping hobby until she was exhausted broke down all her defenses. 2nd evening with a stranger and the bimbo orgasmed entirely naturally, in love and totally at ease. This story is entirely true. I respect the courage of this young Ukrainian diev. In fact, I really like her.
Delta Indigo
05-20-12, 23:59
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Hi Delta.
I think you sound fron your posts as a much nicer guy. The jojo in me is more of a bastard (Ask Prosal, LOL) , wasted a lot of money on Booze & hookers, clubs, girls, you name it.
All of this is refelected in my Crap writing style, spelling and grammer mistakes.
Still typing with one finger wherever I can find a Corner In The Land Of (LAPTOPTISTAN) , where I save money by Free Roaming and on Electricity, so I can afford funding my Hobby.
BTW, in (LAPTOPTISTAN) its also a great place to hook up with girls as well. Ask New Yorkers.
Mrs Jojo last night yelled at me, when I got home "I took you out of Clubs and Bars, but I never took the Clubs out of you ".
And I am the Holder of 2 Passports, but only travel on one at a time.
Now, does this sound similar to you?Well kind of,
I do not know if I am a nice guy, I do not think so, but many girls say so. I love sex and going far to fulfill my sexual needs, but most girls I have sex with have a good feeling about it, wether I pay or not. I have tamed many working girls. I think I have a way of being nice to them, makeing them feel comfortable. I have been with many working girls, who are defensive and agreesive in the beginning, but after a few minutes calm down and try to please me.
I wish I had this skill with non pros that I have with working girls, working girls tend to love me. But I live real strong sex, I need to satisfy my urges at all costs. I have a physical condition, I last a bit too long, and I feel it near the base, some girls (quite a few) have told me I am large, but I need to pound hard persistently to get off. I do not feel nice.
Well I was married until a few years ago, she was a good girl, but I was not satisfied and could not get my urges fulfilled with her so I neglected her and I still feel bad about this.
So am I a nice guy, I have no idea. I really do not know, but I am the holder of 2 passports like you and I only travel with one as well, in Europe with the UK one.
First of all I want to thank all of you for writing some excellent informative posts. What I observe is this in this site. Except for LJ most of the other posts are subjective meaning most of you mention the various clubs and websites where girls can be found but no step by step details as given by LJ. LJ takes the extra effort to write a detailed report with cost benefit analysis which is very suitable for novices like me.
I was in Kiev and odesa in January. The Mickey Ds in Odesa is active too like the ones in Maidan in kyiv to find devushkas. I also found mid eastern girls in odesa too.
Also in Rio I got girls for 5-6 hours for 300$.4 different girls 4 different days. That brings it down to 50$ range per hour. And you have the choice of your girls. How much would I rate the girls I got 7-8. Again beauty is
Subjective.
I am still learning the tricks of the trade.
Meanwhile I thank you all for some excellent posts (Prosal, Irish Lad, Climaxnow, Jojosun, Reiner Otto to name a few). And a special thanks to LJ. All of you are the best.
I will be in ukraine this summer.
Cheers,
Miscgk
I am glad you did enjoyed Kiev stay.
But I think you pay her far to much. 1k is 4 month of work for her. Treating them good and with respect gives results. But I always use my right part of the brain when it comes to money.
I always expect kissing, uncovered blowjob and GFE from dievs. If not I consider it as unacceptable and rather use my right hand.
First of all I want to thank all of you for writing some excellent informative posts. What I observe is this in this site. Except for LJ most of the other posts are subjective meaning most of you mention the various clubs and websites where girls can be found but no step by step details as given by LJ. LJ takes the extra effort to write a detailed report with cost benefit analysis which is very suitable for novices like me.
I was in Kiev and odesa in January. The Mickey Ds in Odesa is active too like the ones in Maidan in kyiv to find devushkas. I also found mid eastern girls in Odesa too.
Also in Rio I got girls for 5-6 hours for 300$.4 different girls 4 different days. That brings it down to 50$ range per hour. And you have the choice of your girls. How much would I rate the girls I got 7-8. Again beauty is subjective.
I am still learning the tricks of the trade.
Meanwhile I thank you all for some excellent posts (Prosal, Irish Lad, Climaxnow, Jojosun, Reiner Otto to name a few). And a special thanks to LJ. All of you are the best.
I will be in ukraine this summer.
Cheers,
MiscgkIf the above is not one of Climaxnow's Own Creation. LOL, I don't know what is LOL.
"I am still learning the tricks of the trade ", gives Climaxnow's game straight away.
Check his posts on Kiev, and you will see that he did say "He was still learning ". More than once in his posts.
Folks. Look out on Kreschatick for guys with a (capital LL) , label glued on their backs, shilling themselves.
Now we are dealing with a growing number of Ghost Mongers in KIEV, LOL.
First of all I want to thank all of you.
I was in Kiev and odesa in January. The Mickey Ds in Odesa is active too like the ones in Maidan in kyiv to find devushkas. I also found mid eastern girls in odesa too.
Cheers,
MiscgkThe trouble with me is I take my hobby very seriously. I take my time reading posts, and cross reference, to get the best deals going.
"Mid Eastern Girls in Odessa too ". Are you sure?
It begs the question, what the hell are they doing there/
Impoverished students looking for extra income. Or UA Tatar girls who look Mid Eastern.
Affluent Middle Eastern Families send their daughters to the UK, The US, France, Switzerland to study.
Did you actually get to speak to them, and find out where in the Middle East they hail From / Nationality, race, etc. After all Israel is a Mid Eastern country as well.
I thought its the other way round? Its UA girls who head to some Mid Eastern countries to work.
UkeBoy our expert on the subject of Kiev and Ukraine, posted here not that long ago, that he hooked up with a Ukrainian Female (Of a certain age) in Joradn of all places and had great time with her. From memory it did cost him US$200 all night.
Irish Lad is another expert on the subject and know Odessa well.
It would be interesting to hear their comments on the subject.
DoctorOral
05-21-12, 13:04
As mentioned earlier, I love skinny things around me. I cannot pm you, but please exchange some contacts with me!
Reiner Otto
05-21-12, 13:42
Hey man, trouble ahead. Because of the last sentence in your report.
And I know, what I am talking about. Had very similar experience during my time in SPb (RF) , end of 90's until 2005. I had my own business there (IT) , age similar to yours in the beginning. Her age was also similar as the girls one in your story, main job, was differen, but side job the same.
So in case of interest, PM me for further discussions.
Michelle Suzan
05-21-12, 13:48
What do you think about Romanian escorts?
First of all I want to thank all of you for writing some excellent informative posts. What I observe is this in this site. Except for LJ most of the other posts are subjective meaning most of you mention the various clubs and websites where girls can be found but no step by step details as given by LJ. LJ takes the extra effort to write a detailed report with cost benefit analysis which is very suitable for novices like me.
I was in Kiev and odesa in January. The Mickey Ds in Odesa is active too like the ones in Maidan in kyiv to find devushkas. I also found mid eastern girls in odesa too.
Also in Rio I got girls for 5-6 hours for 300$.4 different girls 4 different days. That brings it down to 50$ range per hour. And you have the choice of your girls. How much would I rate the girls I got 7-8. Again beauty is
Subjective.
I am still learning the tricks of the trade.
Meanwhile I thank you all for some excellent posts (Prosal, Irish Lad, Climaxnow, Jojosun, Reiner Otto to name a few). And a special thanks to LJ. All of you are the best.
I will be in ukraine this summer.
Cheers,
MiscgkI am the one with the suspecious mind, I know.
Had I not seen Climaxnow included in the List Of Members being Thanked, then all of the above would have been Very Plausible.
Angus Magee
05-21-12, 13:59
Good report but man, what have you got against paragraphs? It is almost unreadable as is.
I was in Kiev last week and had an unforgettable GFE. I am single, a Western national, upper 40s old, company executive, decently handsome and sporty looking and speak fluent Russian. I was on a 3-day holiday and booked a room in a girl-friendly apartment. Actually the place is intentionally prepared for the distinguished monger. The apartments are furnished with mirrored oversize wardrobes, giving you a great panoramic view on what is happening in your bed as you lie in it. The large whirl pool in the bathroom also is handy.
I love the youngest, best looking dievs. I prefer the slender petite small breasted ones. I forego the average – would rather spend the night alone. I despise more than others the public display and clamoring for the hot girls in the clubs (which I avoid). Hence, I tried my luck at mamba, set up a free account without photo or story about myself and searched for dievs, having put he checkmark „looking for sex'. Mamba is so user-group-oriented. I sent mamba mails to a few dievs, and in particular to one very nice looking one with more photos than the others and the most sexy profile entries like „looking for a sponsor', „like one-night stands', „loves sports and sex', „live a healthy lifestyle', „ambitious little dreamer'.23 years. 1,62 m. 45kg, just the right, tiny and tight frame to make for a wonderful visual and physical experience.
The photos showed a gymnast's body, hard and healthy, in some stretch poses, but all in very good taste and somewhat discreet not to give away the diev's identity. To my honest suprise, this gal was the only one to respond to me. I explained my case to her by a few mamba mails: „age, educated and respectful Western single man looking for 3 days of GFE'. She replied in quick succession and asked some further questions for plausibility. Then she abruptly told her price, „110 USD per hour for sex with me', sent her e-mail and requested a photo picture and my cell phone number, which I supplied. I thought it sexy and professinal how she turned to the core of the matter. I told her that I insist on DFK and that she should come over right away. She sent an sms and I called her back. She was on her way, and said she was unsure and uneasy about whether I was telling the truth. I calmly replied in Russian that we should meet outside the apartment and take some food and talk. Reassuring a diev is always important.
I bought some roses and waited for her outside the apartment. When I first saw her, I almost did not recognize her face from the photos, small frame, everything tiny and immaculate and very, very beautiful. Tight deep orange pants, black high heels exposing a pair of immaculate red toe nails, a blouse, a nicely maquillaged face, long flowing hair and pretty hands. We sat down. She was nervous but opened up during coffee and juice. After 20 min I asked her if she still was uneasy. She said she was fine and wanted to move to the apartment.
We went up and looked at photos on my tablet, started to cuddle up and decided to undress one another. What a body, pure magic, not a gramm of fat, small but still shapely tits. We snaked around one another and watched one another in the mirror and exchanged DFK. We both had showered before. When we were naked we laid down and hugged. She seemed very receptive but not very active. I gave her a 40 min body massage, got to all parts and checked her out good, all very clean and cute and youthful, be e a you t I f you l vag, She loved to bend over my body exposing her throat by kicking her head back in pleasure, and not minding my hand caressing her vag and mock gagging her exposed throat (I was very tender with this lass). Then she used her hands, lips and tongue on my body. No BBBJ, but she rolled her tongue and lips around my bare dick like biting into a sausage, avoiding contact with the glans. She knew how to avoid danger.
I asked her to motion her head always close to my dick for a more explicit image in the mirror. I asked her to use her hands without interruption. We fucked passionately with a condom, but I was a little tired, so I asked her to finish me off with her hands without condom. She readily responded. For the most intense orgasm, I laid on my back, moved her head back very close to my erect dick which was pointng skyward. She applied slight pressure to my balls and anus with the one hand while her other hand was jerking my dick in stride. I came. I spurted five times, like a 20-year old porn stallion, long, hot and high shots of semen which smothered her hands and also hit her very pretty face. She continued to slowly rub the top of my dick which was lubricated in sperm for many minutes, and I could only sigh in awe for her patience and experience.
Elegant, youthful, manicured fingers deeply covered in cum. She then showered and relatively soon wanted to leave, for she said she had to work the entire next day in the studio (her regular job). I gave her 250 EUR for 3 hours, thereof maybe 90 min in bed, plus 20 EUR for the taxi. She was a little insistent in that moment but I guess that comes with the job. Money talks I thought.
The next day I spent looking at the musuems and sights, and could not wait to meet my diev for a repeat the day thereafter. That day we met at 3 pm in the city for I had promised to buy her a pair of shoes. She looked ravishing and very very sweet when she came into the coffee shop where we had agreed to meet. A 9 for the face and a 10 for the body, immaculate new high heels and black, reasonably tight pants, and a wonderful white blouse with a black rose. I had procured another set of white roses, which she appreciated a lot.
What was to follow was a 3 hour shopping marathon that left me short of 300 EUR for 2 pairs of shoes, a skirt and a blouse. I was in a generous mood, but especially I enjoyed the fashion show this diev put on form as she went through endless pieces of apparel and footwear. She just would not quit. I was impressed with her taste, elegance and simplicity. None of the vulgar galore all to known in Eastern Europe aged, jaded or oversized ladies. I was suprised she even chose a pair of comfy no heel white ballerinas, which she wore from that point on, and a very sexy pair of medium heel summer sandals exposing her flawless feet.
`We ate Sushi and decided to make it back to the apartment. I was very hard, but our legs were tired. So we decided to jump into the whirl pool. I made a huge pile of foam and she entered naked. She wanted a few foam pictures on her camera which I took. Man, the diev looked like a star on Met_Art, clearly above the Met-Art average, which sometimes features gals who are too fleshy and big-boobed for my taste.
I enterd the pool and placed myself underneath her, elevating her upper beautiful bodyscape out of the water. The water was slightly on the hot side. She enjoyed the coolnees of levitating half way in the water and halfway in the air, and I appreciated seeing her sexual parts nicely and delicately exposed amid mountain of foam. She still wore make up, and again threw her head back and was anxious were my massage would lead her. I caressed her tits which were pointing skywards. I carressed her tummy, her face and legs for endless times, shoving warm water and shampoo on her body in loose intervals. Finally I inserted my middle finger into her shaven pussy, which was very wet and slippery by that time. She parted her legs for better penetration and I started to gyrate my finger all the while caressing her tummy, tits and clit with the other hand. Finally I placed the free hand firmly on her venus mound and carressed her strongly there, with the middle finger of the other hand still doing its magic deep inside her tummy.
She started moaning and panting for a long time, then pushing out high pitch, suppressed sounds of lust, one two, three, four, five, six, seven times and then she came in the sweetest way in a long succession of major convulsions. My generosity, nice manner, true story) and tenderness had turned this lass around from a pretty but reticent service attitude into a dreamy defenseless quimmering, overwhelmed, lust-flooded, lost orgasmic angel. We kept hugging for a long time and she entertained my dick with her hands under water.
The next thing we did was see a major European football match event on TV before we retired to the bedroom for my deserved reward. The diev went right to work with a BBBJ, this time very slowly but surely attacking the glans with her tongue and then deep throating my member. She looked so good in the mirror in her motions, her tight stomach facing downwards to the bed without any type of curvature or even fat hangig down. She developed enormous energy and endurance – she would not want to have it any other way, until I spurt deep into her throat – I never saw my spice of life again.
Afterwards she started a long back massage and we talked. When I was ready for a second round, I positioned her behind me telling her she should alawys show her face and body silhouette and point her hands and my dick towards the mirror. She stroked me expertly. Switching between seeing her innocent Met-Art type face and body and her rapidly flinging hands, fingers and nails around my dick and balls I could not hold on for long and spurted three times, the furst spurt again of spectacular quality, volume and height. She cleaned me and we relaxed.
Later that evening we went out, shot some hours talking, eating sushi and smoking kaleon (which I will never do again). All in all I spent some 1 000 EUR on her in 2 days, which opened her up completely. She told me that her mamba page gets 6 000 visits a month (!). This lass gets between 50 and 100 responses a day, she said. She makes 250 EUR / month as a receptinist at a studio and about 1 000 EUR as a diev. She only gets herself to do 2 or 3 guys per month, she prefers foreigners, and she does not consider herself a prostitute. She wants a family and a decent life. She never does clubs and wants to stay discrete and unknown. She was never photographed and there is no pic of her on the web other than her mamba site. She lives in her apartment and enjoys a healthy life.
In summary, I was very lucky to to be able to sponsor a Met-Art quality type of diev 23 years younger than myself, had endless voyeuristic pleasure and she made me cum at will. Sustaining and sponsoring the gal's shopping hobby until she was exhausted broke down all her defenses. 2nd evening with a stranger and the bimbo orgasmed entirely naturally, in love and totally at ease. This story is entirely true. I respect the courage of this young Ukrainian diev. In fact, I really like her.
Member #4274
05-21-12, 14:54
Nice report, Philosphorus 1! I enjoyed reading it despite the lack of paragraphs.
You should be careful with this girl from here on in. I think you over spent on her and might have even spoiled her. I understand you like her and I can tell you are a gentleman. This is not a crime however, you are doing yourself no favors either.
During my first mongering trip to Kiev I met a young woman at River Palace and I was completely taken with her. Really, she was the perfect fit for me and I began to overspend on her and allowed myself to become seperated from reality to some extent. I am not suggesting you have done this completely but perhaps you are on your way. Enjoy your new friend but keep reminding yourself of the reality of the situation. Thank you for the honest reporting!
AColonizer
05-21-12, 17:34
I agree with you. And do you think he could be a pimp with his tearful story? . (wink)
I am glad you did enjoyed Kiev stay.
But I think you pay her far to much. 1k is 4 month of work for her. Treating them good and with respect gives results. But I always use my right part of the brain when it comes to money.
I always expect kissing, uncovered blowjob and GFE from dievs. If not I consider it as unacceptable and rather use my right hand.
If the above is not one of Climaxnow's Own Creation. LOL, I don't know what is LOL.
"I am still learning the tricks of the trade ", gives Climaxnow's game straight away.
Check his posts on Kiev, and you will see that he did say "He was still learning ". More than once in his posts.
Folks. Look out on Kreschatick for guys with a (capital LL) , label glued on their backs, shilling themselves.
Now we are dealing with a growing number of Ghost Mongers in KIEV, LOL.Please read through my 211 posts and tell me what venue I am shilling. I joined ISG to talk to real people about the hobby. I am not interested in reading fairy tales designed to lure men to Kiev. The stooge posting on this thread knows well that once you have arrived into town you will naturally go where it is easiest to find prostitutes. For example, take this post by Philophosus1, its a complete fabrication by you know who. His only intent is to create an illusion of easy to find girlfriends in Kiev. He wants you to jump on that plane thinking beautiful met girls will be knocking on your door. I had read enough of this posters reports to realize he is not a monger. No matter how well written he is, he simply has no talent in relaying himself as an authentic monger. His stuff is so bush league superficial that it is easy to spot on the thread.
As to any post of mine stating I am learning, that is only true in the sense I am now physically getting my ass into Eastern Europe. I have been dating Eastern Europeans for twenty years. I have dated all the nationalities except Latvians and Maldovians. I have been in there lives from the days they lived in a basement to the day they could afford to buy there own condo. I have a good understanding of all the nuances of the different nationalities. How about you JoJo? What did you do? Fuck a couple of Polish girls in London for cash and now maybe you think your some kind of expert.
What do you think about Romanian escorts?I'm curious why you are asking your question about Romanian escorts on the Kiev thread? Are you a Romanian escort trying to get noticed? My experience with Romanian escorts on the Internet is that all pictures are fake, much like in Kiev. Furthermore, the few occasions I did try a Romanian escort to my hotel while in Bucharest, the girl who arrived was a hardcore upseller and cheat. I do not recommend Romanian escorts inside Romania (some on the Bucharest thread of ISG report ok results with an agency called damedelux). However, I Do love the look of Romanian women. And for those who share that enjoyment of the beauty of Romanian women, I would recommend visiting the FKK clubs Palace and Oase in the immediate environs of Frankfurt, Germany. There one will find a staff containing a large percentage of girls from Romania and more recently Moldova (although they may have meant Moldavia, a principality inside Romania) , as well as girls from Bulgaria, Poland, Germany and other origins. The Romanian girls I have met in the FKK's were for the most part, gorgeous and very nice, if you treat them well. However, Some guys who approach them with a very cheap attitude of wanting the girl to give everything she has for a short 50 Euro session have gotten less than great results. It's because there is nothing that will get a Romanian going (male or female) than the sense that someone is trying to take advantage of them. Then, watch out! They are very adept at trying to get the upper hand. But if you approach these girls with respect and generosity and tell them upfront that you want to be good to them and give them a longer session of at least an hour, and longer if they are very good, then you probably won't get a better session from anyone. Because you have then turned around the motivations of the girl from trying to get the better of you, into trying to please you more. All I can say when thinking of the wonderful Romanian girls I have been with in Germany are words like,"sizzling","magnificent" and "wonderful". My dreams are still filled with images from some of the best moments I have shared with some Romanian girls in the FKK's whom I would consider to be 9's at least, and I keep going back to see some of those same girls, one in particular at FKK Goldentime in Vienna, Austria. So I say, Romanian escorts are great, but only outside Romania, in the FKK's, or perhaps other locations (I'm thinking of some Romanian girls I met in Madrid, Spain in clubs like Flowers Park and Factory Air, who were pretty hot also.)
LJ
Please read through my 211 posts and tell me what venue I am promoting. I joined ISG to talk to real people about the hobby. I am not interested in reading fairy tales designed to lure men to Kiev. The fool posting on this thread knows well that once you have arrived into town you will naturally go where it is easiest to find prostitutes. For example, take this post by Philophosus1, its a complete fabrication by you know who. His only intent is to create an illusion of easy to find girlfriends in Kiev. He wants you to jump on that plane thinking beautiful met girls will be knocking on your door. I had read enough of this posters reports to realize he is not a monger. No matter how well written he is, he simply has no talent in relaying himself as an authentic monger. His stuff is so Bush league superficial that it is easy to spot on the thread.
As to any post of mine stating I am learning, that is only true in the sense I am now physically getting my ass into Eastern Europe. I have been dating Eastern Europeans for twenty years. I have dated all the nationalities except Latvians and Maldovians. I have been in there lives from the days they lived in a basement to the day they could afford to buy there own condo. I have a good understanding of all the nuances of the different nationalities. How about you JoJo? What did you do? Fuck a couple of Polish girls in London for cash and now maybe you think your some kind of expert.I thought you were much smarter than what you posted above/
You should have taken the time to" read what I posted " before hitting the Fucking Keyboard. You did this rant with me once before on the kharkov thread, and when I replied to you, you came back and apologized. Remember.
Who I Fuck or Fucked is my own business, and I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone else for that matter. What For. And yes I pay Polish Girls and all girls in cash, upfront as well. .
I don't sign them "I owe you notes ", nor do I hang around them long enough to (Put them up on The Property Ladder ). This is what they call it in the UK.
You started this whole business about LJ and his creations and that club, Right?
I am merely a reader of what both of you post here. I also read what "other Creations " have posted as well, in reply to your allegations.
But its you who needs to prove them wrong, because the Onus is on you, as the one who made the allegations in the first place.
Please read through my 211 posts and tell me what venue I am shilling. I joined ISG to talk to real people about the hobby. I am not interested in reading fairy tales designed to lure men to Kiev. The stooge posting on this thread knows well that once you have arrived into town you will naturally go where it is easiest to find prostitutes. For example, take this post by Philophosus1, its a complete fabrication by you know who. His only intent is to create an illusion of easy to find girlfriends in Kiev. He wants you to jump on that plane thinking beautiful met girls will be knocking on your door. I had read enough of this posters reports to realize he is not a monger. No matter how well written he is, he simply has no talent in relaying himself as an authentic monger. His stuff is so Bush league superficial that it is easy to spot on the thread.
As to any post of mine stating I am learning, that is only true in the sense I am now physically getting my ass into Eastern Europe. I have been dating Eastern Europeans for twenty years. I have dated all the nationalities except Latvians and Maldovians. I have been in there lives from the days they lived in a basement to the day they could afford to buy there own condo. I have a good understanding of all the nuances of the different nationalities. How about you JoJo? What did you do? Fuck a couple of Polish girls in London for cash and now maybe you think your some kind of expert.Read what you posted in the Kharkov thread.
"My apologies JoJo! I have to stop wizzing through the threads and replying without any thought. (smiley)"
CityHunter77
05-21-12, 23:23
this warning applies not only to vb but other establishments.
in vb watch out for 2 brunettes called anya and natasha. one isg member took them back to his apartment as p4p, but it ended up costing him more as one of the girls stole more cash from his wallet in the morning. girls were not attractive at all for kiev standards.
always try and have a safe in the apartment or hide the cash before getting into the hardcore action. easier said than done when you're totally pissed.
vb is not my fav place by far, but only place that seems to work everyday. looked like a lot of **** girls there too, another thing to watch out for.
hope this report helps newbies and regular visitors in avoiding these problems. but generally kiev is a safe place but these things can happen anywhere, you just need to take some simple precautions.
Speaking of precautions. I have had my share of brunettes and blonds costing me more than my money, I. E. My pride. Now I always try take a photo (on my phone) in the bar (restaurant, disco, wherever) before we hit the apartment. If she denies you of photo in neutral environment, then she probably has no good intentions. That's my theory anyway. If she knows you have a photo in your phone, she is less likely to do something stupid like empty you wallet when you are dazed and confused by all this whiskey in the jar.
By the way, my worst case of problems was a dancer in Shooters. Would not let me photograph her, but she is on the first photo from Apr. 30. On the clubs homepage.
This warning applies not only to VB but other establishments.
Hope this report helps newbies and regular visitors in avoiding these problems. But generally Kiev is a safe place but these things can happen anywhere, you just need to take some simple precautions.
But its you who needs to prove them wrong, because the Onus is on you, as the one who made the allegations in the first place.I don't have to prove anything. I'm just trying to send a message to guys like myself to not believe everything you read on this thread. The stooge is trying to seduce men to visit Kiev with his fabricated stories. He is playing into the notions of shitty Russian men, desperate girls, and glorified p4p's. Like I just said in a recent post, once you are there as a newbie you will naturally gravitate to his venue where prostitutes are plenty and easily accessed. Problem is you could have probably found similar talent for much less at home.
Its obvious that modern day reality in Eastern Europe is simply not understood by an amateur like yourself.
this warning applies not only to vb but other establishments.
in vb watch out for 2 brunettes called anya and natasha. one isg member took them back to his apartment as p4p, but it ended up costing him more as one of the girls stole more cash from his wallet in the morning. girls were not attractive at all for kiev standards.
always try and have a safe in the apartment or hide the cash before getting into the hardcore action. easier said than done when you're totally pissed.
vb is not my fav place by far, but only place that seems to work everyday. looked like a lot of **** girls there too, another thing to watch out for.
hope this report helps newbies and regular visitors in avoiding these problems. but generally kiev is a safe place but these things can happen anywhere, you just need to take some simple precautions.hi immy,
it is a worthwhile cautionary note about personal security for anyone intending to bring a p4p girl or girls back to one's apartment. your suggestion about using a safe is not always possible or practical, only because most apartment rentals do not have a safe in them. a safe is something more likely to be found in a hotel room worldwide.
for those contemplating an apartment rental, one might ask the rental company if a safe can be made available. i don't know if they can, because i never asked. instead i used a solid looking combination lock to lock up my valuables.
whenever any girl (s) were going to be in my apartment, or upon leaving the apartment with the intention of having a girl that i would pick up with me when i returned, or even after my return, while the girl was in the bathroom, i prepared the apartment so that i wouldn't have to worry what was going on while i was in the shower, or not looking. i put my valuables including passport, credit cards, cash, gifts, electronics etc. into one compartment of my luggage that can be zipped up with two zipper tags. i threaded the metal hook of the combination lock through the holes at the two ends of the metal zipper tags so that the compartment zipped up couldn't be unzipped due to the lock. i locked up the largest piece of luggage i had brought, which would be inconvenient for someone to carry off. i felt this was sufficient protection for a thieving girl who might rifle through my belongings while i was distracted or in the bathroom for a few minutes (who presume able didn't have wire cutters in her purse).
i also did not carry a lot of cash with me for exchange into local currency. instead i left all my money in my bank and only withdrew that amount i could anticipate using that day. this was done from an atm machine, which are conveniently located all over the downtown kiev area. i withdrew from an account at a bank which does not assess an additional 3% for a foreign transaction fee for each transaction of cash withdrawal. therefore, only the atm fee for use of the atm was charghed, just as for a withdrawal at home. the bank applied a commercially reasonable exchange rate. i saw no reason to increase my security risk by carrying more cash than immediately needed each day, or even each time i went out, for the purposes at hand.
so if i went out to the grocery, i took maybe up to $100 or $200, because i couldn't see myself spending more. but if i was going out to find a p4p candidate who would be a high level hottie, i took $400 or $500, so i would have adequate funds for what i had in mind for that night.
in this way the amount of cash put at risk at any given time, was the minimum amount of cash needed that day, but no more.
another poster suggested keeping big bills in one pocket separate from smaller bills, so that one never would take out of one's a large amount of money unnecessarily and expose the fact that you were carrying such a large amou t to eyes that might be tempted to try to relieve you of some of your extra money in some way. it's a good suggestion.
i also kept all the important items, passport, the 1 atm card, and the large cash bills, all together in my right front pocket, and i had the habit of having my right hand in or against that pocket.
i would generally leave the apartment with all valuables locked up, and only my original passport, only one atm credit card in case it turned out i needed more cash, and the amount of cash i estimated needing for whatever i was intending to do that time when i went out. when i returned to the apartment, sometimes i just left things i had in my pants pocket and took my pants with me if i had to go into the bathroom. or sometimes, at the appropriate time when the girl was in the bathroom, i locked away my passport, atm card and cash, leaving only enough cash in my pocket to reward the girl for her efforts if needed, so i didn't have to worry about keeping my pants in sight.
every guy has his own level of cautiousness. i operate on the assumptions that wg's will steal if they get the chance, whether i am mongering in costa rica, or dominican republic or kiev.
lj
SmilySmartie
05-22-12, 06:22
Please read through my 211 posts and tell me what venue I am shilling. I joined ISG to talk to real people about the hobby. I am not interested in reading fairy tales designed to lure men to Kiev. The stooge posting on this thread knows well that once you have arrived into town you will naturally go where it is easiest to find prostitutes. For example, take this post by Philophosus1, its a complete fabrication by you know who. His only intent is to create an illusion of easy to find girlfriends in Kiev. He wants you to jump on that plane thinking beautiful met girls will be knocking on your door. I had read enough of this posters reports to realize he is not a monger. No matter how well written he is, he simply has no talent in relaying himself as an authentic monger. His stuff is so Bush league superficial that it is easy to spot on the thread.
As to any post of mine stating I am learning, that is only true in the sense I am now physically getting my ass into Eastern Europe. I have been dating Eastern Europeans for twenty years. I have dated all the nationalities except Latvians and Maldovians. I have been in there lives from the days they lived in a basement to the day they could afford to buy there own condo. I have a good understanding of all the nuances of the different nationalities. How about you JoJo? What did you do? Fuck a couple of Polish girls in London for cash and now maybe you think your some kind of expert.Folks,
I posted my story, which is entirely factual, as a way of thanking the much more prolific contributors than I happen to be one. I wanted to entertain you in a style that I find extremely arousing while writing, which is respectful to the diev and still explicit, graphic and pornographic enough to express my view on things physical. I know I am not the only one who ticks along these lines.
So let me address my detractors.
I forgot the paragraphs. I apologize, it was my first contribution to the site. (I do not know why the site claims already 2 contributions). I pledge to be a fast learner.
Then there is the fella who suggests I am pimp. Man, please use your last two remaining synapsis. Have you ever met a pimp? A pimp who can spell philosophy and its practitioner? Did you ever wonder why the f. Word does not start with a ph? Come on, man.
And. Some of the contributions on this site are worse than others, but then there is climaxow, whose sperm ducts apparently have crowded out even his remaining two synapsis. I am glad to note that he claims that his a. (his behind) still clings on to his frame. All right, enough abuse, climaxnow, I am no better than you, not by one atom. I actually appreciate you challenge me. And you laud me as a man of letters, who I am. But you are dead wrong. If you were right, that would raise the question of who pays me for not telling the truth. The airline industry? Kiev's tourism promoting authority? The chamber of apartment providers in Kiev? The diev union? Met-Art? The United WG front? Let me tell you, I am not paid by anyone for luring anybody anywhere.
If you doubt I was there, and you were there, ask me about the length of the queue last Saturday in front of the art gallery next to Arena in Kiev. And why there was a queue. Ask about the Timati concert in Byblos bar. You claim to know the workings of Eastern Europe, but your written manner suggests you are not privy to some of my experiences, and I am no talking about a possible difference in spending power between us two. The gentlemen who suggested I overpaid are both wrong and right. I could have gotten away with less, I know. But as Stalin found out, you cannot force people to laugh, I found out that no matter how nice you are, you cannot force a gal to orgasm. The feeling to really have moved a top desirable diev to this incredible length is priceless. The tab did not hit a poor man. I will say that the times I overspent in my life where those when I tried to establish a relationship with a gal which was not built on the premise of sex first. This turned out to be 10 to 100 times more expensive that what I spent in Kiev. Climaxnow is entirely right that I am not a monger. Did I claim to be one? And I certainly do not claim to be any better than any one on this forum in a moral sense. I just learned from the forum and enjoyed reading, and sought to reciprocate.
Getting back to my diev and to entertaining you, I will heed the warnings of the gentlemen who were so courteous to comment. You are dead right. My diev. I still wonder. They all claim to be so innocent. They really want to do no harm. But then they can't resist the rising urges. When she turned 14 or 15, she started to get so wet and horny chitchatting about guys, she burned a whole in ther panties and had to try it all out. When she turned 21 the money does not suffice to finance her hobbies, such a tough world, and she starts to earn some extra cash. For what else did the good Lord give her her heavenly shape? And then she gets all excited by generosity and tenderness to throw the precautions over board and orgasm by the hands of a stranger in a cloud of foam in a super erotic setting. Priceless. Keep trying and keep dreaming men, that is what it is all about. Reality can beat fantasy. It is all true.
But I guess they don't need sponsors
I don't have to prove anything. I'm just trying to send a message to guys like myself to not believe everything you read on this thread. The stooge is trying to seduce men to visit Kiev with his fabricated stories. He is playing into the notions of shitty Russian men, desperate girls, and glorified p4p's. Like I just said in a recent post, once you are there as a newbie you will naturally gravitate to his venue where prostitutes are plenty and easily accessed. Problem is you could have probably found similar talent for much less at home.
Its obvious that modern day reality in Eastern Europe is simply not understood by an amateur like yourself.Its obvious now that I wasted enough time and space on you, I don't need your fucking lecture contained in your post. I can read for myself and make up my own mind.
You are addressing the wrong guy here.
"Modern Day Reality in Eastern Europe ", that I don't understand. My Fucking Foot.
A one time visitor to Kiev lecturing me on the Reallty of Eastern Europe from his base in Chicago. And what about the time when you paid that hooker in Kiev US$150 / hour. That's your reality of Eastern Europe.
BTW. What happened to your Pyramid Scheme in P4P that you were thinking of starting in KIev? I guess you couldn't find interested mongers willing to pay US$150 / hour to join in your Realistic Pyramid Fun in Eastern Europe.
Climaxnow. I think you need to sort out your condition, which is called P V E.
Premature Verbal Ejaculation.
Read what you posted in the Kharkov thread.
"My apologies JoJo! I have to stop wizzing through the threads and replying without any thought. (smiley)"Climaxnow's public apology on the Kharkov thread. Gotcha.
This is your condition that I was referring to in my post below (. PVE) , which you need to sort out when you reply to me.
Folks,
I posted my story, which is entirely factual, as a way of thanking the much more prolific contributors than I happen to be one. I wanted to entertain you in a style that I find extremely arousing while writing, which is respectful to the diev and still explicit, graphic and pornographic enough to express my view on things physical. I know I am not the only one who ticks along these lines.Come on man, who you kidding! Philosophus1 and LJ just posted back to back reports. There written English are exact foot prints of each other. In two years as a member, I never flamed, challenged, or harassed a member until it dawned on me that LJ's reports were bogus. All I'm asking for is the reports here be authentic. It's obvious your not a New Yorker that travels out to KIev for four day trips. Its also obvious that you are in fact out on the ground in Europe. Why don't you join the ISG team and share information from what ever shade of monger you are.
I'm curious why you are asking your question about Romanian escorts on the Kiev thread? Are you a Romanian escort trying to get noticed? My experience with Romanian escorts on the Internet is that all pictures are fake, much like in Kiev. Furthermore, the few occasions I did try a Romanian escort to my hotel while in Bucharest, the girl who arrived was a hardcore upseller and cheat. I do not recommend Romanian escorts inside Romania (some on the Bucharest thread of ISG report ok results with an agency called damedelux). However, I Do love the look of Romanian women. And for those who share that enjoyment of the beauty of Romanian women, I would recommend visiting the FKK clubs Palace and Oase in the immediate environs of Frankfurt, Germany. There one will find a staff containing a large percentage of girls from Romania and more recently Moldova (although they may have meant Moldavia, a principality inside Romania) , as well as girls from Bulgaria, Poland, Germany and other origins. The Romanian girls I have met in the FKK's were for the most part, gorgeous and very nice, if you treat them well. However, Some guys who approach them with a very cheap attitude of wanting the girl to give everything she has for a short 50 Euro session have gotten less than great results. It's because there is nothing that will get a Romanian going (male or female) than the sense that someone is trying to take advantage of them. Then, watch out! They are very adept at trying to get the upper hand. But if you approach these girls with respect and generosity and tell them upfront that you want to be good to them and give them a longer session of at least an hour, and longer if they are very good, then you probably won't get a better session from anyone. Because you have then turned around the motivations of the girl from trying to get the better of you, into trying to please you more. All I can say when thinking of the wonderful Romanian girls I have been with in Germany are words like,"sizzling","magnificent" and "wonderful". My dreams are still filled with images from some of the best moments I have shared with some Romanian girls in the FKK's whom I would consider to be 9's at least, and I keep going back to see some of those same girls, one in particular at FKK Goldentime in Vienna, Austria. So I say, Romanian escorts are great, but only outside Romania, in the FKK's, or perhaps other locations (I'm thinking of some Romanian girls I met in Madrid, Spain in clubs like Flowers Park and Factory Air, who were pretty hot also.)
LJHi LJ,
Do you remember the girl's name in golden time in Vienna?
Thanks,
Naykan
I have been dating Eastern Europeans for twenty years.This makes me ponder about the pre-internet era, the era where you actually needed balls to travel halfway around the world without even one single info about where to find girls (and nor about where to find anything in fact). That was a thrill, but now the thrill is gone, unless you go beyond the Urals or to the Stans. Today people are over-informed, and it seems that they need even more and more info than the tons that they already have. I can't remember how many times sex-weaned friends questionned me about where to go in FSU while drooling on their shirts. Fucking insecure suckers. Get some balls. First time I was in Brasil, it was in Belem, I was on my own, it was in 1988, and I took no advice before.
Just a thought. Maybe too much Chardonnais for lunch. (smile)
DoctorOral
05-22-12, 16:27
I still. And once again. Dare to ask if there is any young girls with 0 size tits around in Kiev? I would love to recieve some useful info. PM me please, and I will also share my adress book with you!
This makes me ponder about the pre-internet era, the era where you actually needed balls to travel halfway around the world without even one single info about where to find girls (and nor about where to find anything in fact). That was a thrill, but now the thrill is gone, unless you go beyond the Urals or to the Stans. Today people are over-informed, and it seems that they need even more and more info than the tons that they already have. I can't remember how many times sex-weaned friends questionned me about where to go in FSU while drooling on their shirts. Fucking insecure suckers. Get some balls. First time I was in Brasil, it was in Belem, I was on my own, it was in 1988, and I took no advice before.
Just a thought. Maybe too much Chardonnais for lunch. (smile) I did not have to travel at all. In the mid 90's a million poles were given visa's to enter the US and most landed in my home town. After that smaller waves of Russians, Romanians, Lithuanians, and Ukranians also followed. The stock of women the first ten years was amazing. Most were educated, had no opportunity in there homeland, and had no interest in dating guys of there own nationality. Great time for me because I was young, college educated, and financially secure. Unfortunately, my party is over here and I have to start actually traveling to Eastern Europe.
This makes me ponder about the pre-internet era, the era where you actually needed balls to travel halfway around the world without even one single info about where to find girls (and nor about where to find anything in fact). That was a thrill, but now the thrill is gone, unless you go beyond the Urals or to the Stans. Today people are over-informed, and it seems that they need even more and more info than the tons that they already have. I can't remember how many times sex-weaned friends questionned me about where to go in FSU while drooling on their shirts. Fucking insecure suckers. Get some balls. First time I was in Brasil, it was in Belem, I was on my own, it was in 1988, and I took no advice before.
Just a thought. Maybe too much Chardonnais for lunch. (smile) Prosal,
Are you drinking the House wine?
Chardonay in London is so yesterday, but I still like it though. A lot of English Ladttes on the pull weekends drink industrial quantities of it.
They can drink a lot of men under the table.
Yes, you are right about the times when you needed balls to hit EE countries.
The trouble is I had a lot of balls when I was a care free student, and did a lot of them. Got me in for a lot of questioning though, when I got back when they looked at all the EE visas stamped in my passport. Yes, before the wall came down.
I only got on the internet thing seeking info in the last 7 years.
The thing is before the internet, you just needed to hit the very few touristy clubs, or bars in First class hotels, and you are home and dry.
Prague, you needed to head to Lucerna Club, it was the River Palace of those days.
It was mainly German sex tourists who drove from across the border.
Warsaw, there was a place called white crocodile or something. In the old town.
None of the EE countries at the time had In Call apartments where you went for sex.
Hookers were only doing the bars and clubs of First Class hotels. A lot of them were working for the secret police. I never had hookers at the time, didn't need to, with all the young girls around at the time. They found me.
Had my first minor STD from one or more of them. Freaked the shit out of me at the time.
I never thought of going to the Ukraine in those days. I don't think I ever met anyone who said he went there.
Russia and FSU would have been too much to explain had I gone there.
I only heard about Kiev and Ukraine when I joined ISG about 4 years ago. And only decided to hit Kiev, when Wizz air started flying there, and the UAH exchange became VFM. But if you paid sky high Air fares and 4 Uah to the US$, I would not have considered it.
The ISG info came in very handy for me, but I still did Kiev my way.
Stayed and still do at hotels. Got my first girl through Kiev Post, and had.
Great time at massage places.
My best discovery was on Flirt, altough they say Flirt and Mamba are the same.
Talking about Brasil, I was there in January 89. Stayed at hotel Excelsior on Cobacabana, close to HELP disco club. Well that was one of the best clubs I have ever been to, Pity closed last few years.
Did you try it?
You are drinking Chardonay and I am on the Perry, not far from the Lycee.
Bloody French, you can't get away from them. I smell them miles away with all that Garlic, LOL. .
Au Revoir from Sexy London.
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This makes me ponder about the pre-internet era, the era where you actually needed balls to travel halfway around the world without even one single info about where to find girls (and nor about where to find anything in fact). That was a thrill, but now the thrill is gone, unless you go beyond the Urals or to the Stans. Today people are over-informed, and it seems that they need even more and more info than the tons that they already have. I can't remember how many times sex-weaned friends questionned me about where to go in FSU while drooling on their shirts. Fucking insecure suckers. Get some balls. First time I was in Brasil, it was in Belem, I was on my own, it was in 1988, and I took no advice before.
Just a thought. Maybe too much Chardonnais for lunch. (smile) .
Prosal. Are you drinking the House wine?
Chardonay in London is so yesterday, but I still like it though. A lot of English Ladttes on the pull weekends drink industrial quantities of it.
They can drink a lot of men under the table.
Yes, you are right about the times when you needed balls to hit EE countries.
The trouble is I had a lot of balls when I was a care free student, and did a lot of them. Got me in for a lot of questioning though, when I got back when they looked at all the EE visas stamped in my passport. Yes, before the wall came down.
I only got on the internet thing seeking info in the last 7 years.
The thing is before the internet, you just needed to hit the very few touristy clubs, or bars in First class hotels, and you are home and dry.
Prague, you needed to head to Lucerna Club, it was the River Palace of those days.
It was mainly German sex tourists who drove from across the border.
Warsaw, there was a place called white crocodile or something. In the old town.
None of the EE countries at the time had In Call apartments where you went for sex.
Hookers were only doing the bars and clubs of First Class hotels. A lot of them were working for the secret police. I never had hookers at the time, didn't need to, with all the young girls around at the time. They found me.
Had my first minor STD from one or more of them. Freaked the shit out of me at the time.
I never thought of going to the Ukraine in those days. I don't think I ever met anyone who said he went there.
Russia and FSU would have been too much to explain had I gone there.
I only heard about Kiev and Ukraine when I joined ISG about 4 years ago. And only decided to hit Kiev, when Wizz air started flying there, and the UAH exchange became VFM. But if you paid sky high Air fares and 4 Uah to the US$, I would not have considered it.
The ISG info came in very handy for me, but I still did Kiev my way.
Stayed and still do at hotels. Got my first girl through Kiev Post, and had.
Great time at massage places.
My best discovery was on Flirt, altough they say Flirt and Mamba are the same.
Talking about Brasil, I was there in January 89. Stayed at hotel Excelsior on Cobacabana, close to HELP disco club. Well that was one of the best clubs I have ever been to, Pity closed last few years.
Did you try it?
You are drinking Chardonay and I am on the Perry, not far from the Lycee.
Bloody French, you can't get away from them. I smell them miles away with all that Garlic, LOL. .
Au Revoir from Sexy London.
.
Hi LJ,
Do you remember the girl's name in golden time in Vienna?
Thanks,
NaykanCheck my prior posts on the Vienna thread. I remember writing about my first session with her.
Harry Hardman
05-22-12, 19:16
Please read through my 211 posts and tell me what venue I am shilling. I joined ISG to talk to real people about the hobby. I am not interested in reading fairy tales designed to lure men to Kiev. The stooge posting on this thread knows well that once you have arrived into town you will naturally go where it is easiest to find prostitutes. For example, take this post by Philophosus1, its a complete fabrication by you know who. His only intent is to create an illusion of easy to find girlfriends in Kiev. He wants you to jump on that plane thinking beautiful met girls will be knocking on your door. I had read enough of this posters reports to realize he is not a monger. No matter how well written he is, he simply has no talent in relaying himself as an authentic monger. His stuff is so bush league superficial that it is easy to spot on the thread.I certainly find all these bush league superficial posts annoying and deceitful because as you put it well: they give men an illusion and lure men to Kiev thinking it's easy to find good-looking cheap fucks or freebie GFE sex. Example, if you look back at posts in 2009 and 2010, you'll find fantasy mongers in their 40's claiming they had fucked 5 girls in one day and popped 7 times, and they continued this streak for 5 days. I think Uke Boy was one of the few found these posts bush league. The Kiev forum at times is very tainted by these illusory posts.
I certainly find all these Bush league superficial posts annoying and deceitful because as you put it well: they give men an illusion and lure men to Kiev thinking it's easy to find good-looking cheap fucks or freebie GFE sex. ..
Harry LOL Now. I know where you are coming from?
Luring mongers instead to go to that Well Known Strip Club. US$ 100 an / Hour, right. LOL.
Tell you what though. Honeslty the first thing I am going to do, when I am heading back to Kiev, is to head to it and book myself one girl that I fancy.
But first I will get her to sign a piece of paper with just, D A the, to all the things that we agree on in the club.
Never took out a girl from there before, although I go there on few nights.
Time 4 me to dip my dick into their waters and see what all the fuss was all about.
All it means that I need to cut a bit on my drinking expenses in London, and save some money for a Take out from there.
And this is no illusion, even I am now on the second bottle.
See you there.
So many people discussing here clubs, bars, girls etc but who is visiting Kiev? Just kidding. Just back from Kiev and again there from Friday on for one week. So Climax, Liljoy and all the others. Let's have a beer and discuss it more personally. First time I go on my own and don't have one single business meeting.
PM me.
I certainly find all these bush league superficial posts annoying and deceitful because as you put it well: they give men an illusion and lure men to Kiev thinking it's easy to find good-looking cheap fucks or freebie GFE sex. Example, if you look back at posts in 2009 and 2010, you'll find fantasy mongers in their 40's claiming they had fucked 5 girls in one day and popped 7 times, and they continued this streak for 5 days. I think Uke Boy was one of the few found these posts bush league. The Kiev forum at times is very tainted by these illusory posts.Honestly what Fun the Kiev thread is becoming. Really enjoying it.
Quote Originally Posted by Climaxnow [View Original Post]
Hi EC, don't be fooled into visiting Rio from the deceptive intel posted on this thread. Kirch is a creation of LJ to promote the club. As a matter of fact, here are all of the other LJ creations: Harry Hardman, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja. Quote.
Hello H H.
Get your Latino Chums, Pedro Toronja, and Portugese Ronaldninja, over here, and the all the Tapas and Sangria is on me.
So when I get my Ass to Rio, the drinks are on you, so I can afford the US$300 for 3 hours top of the range girl. I have my own rating system.
I can't do both.
I am sure you Understand, LOL
I certainly find all these bush league superficial posts annoying and deceitful because as you put it well: they give men an illusion and lure men to Kiev thinking it's easy to find good-looking cheap fucks or freebie GFE sex. Example, if you look back at posts in 2009 and 2010, you'll find fantasy mongers in their 40's claiming they had fucked 5 girls in one day and popped 7 times, and they continued this streak for 5 days. I think Uke Boy was one of the few found these posts bush league. The Kiev forum at times is very tainted by these illusory posts.I think I know that you are referring to Hunter Dave.
To be fair to the guy, I never met him. But on this thread he did put a hell lot of info into it. He also helped a lot of newbies, and a lot of them got on here and thanked him.
He posted links +Photos of actual girls. And he is the only one I exchanged Girls digits with. None of the girls were an illusion about sex In Kiev. .
Simply because they were hookers, which was the thing I was looking for. .
Where he got flamed was the part about the freebies, and how many times he popped. .
But no one here is in a position to verify those claims, and frankly doesn't bother me in the least.
What we get now on the Kiev thread is a lot Illusory Mongers with Multiple Usernames, who pop up here, every now and then before they disappear, only to pop up later under another name.
But the scripts the dates, the style gives their game away.
I find this fucking annoying, where someone I thinks he is taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of us.
They end up losing all credibilty by doing it.
I certainly find all these bush league superficial posts annoying and deceitful because as you put it well: they give men an illusion and lure men to Kiev thinking it's easy to find good-looking cheap fucks or freebie GFE sex. Example, if you look back at posts in 2009 and 2010, you'll find fantasy mongers in their 40's claiming they had fucked 5 girls in one day and popped 7 times, and they continued this streak for 5 days. I think Uke Boy was one of the few found these posts bush league. The Kiev forum at times is very tainted by these illusory posts.I think I know that you are referring to Hunter Dave.
To be fair to the guy, I never met him. But on this thread he did put a hell lot of info into it. He also helped a lot of newbies, and a lot of them got on here and thanked him.
He posted links +Photos of actual girls. And he is the only one I exchanged Girls digits with. None of the girls were an illusion about sex In Kiev. .
Simply because they were hookers, which was the thing I was looking for. .
Where he got flamed was the part about the freebies, and how many times he popped. .
But no one here is in a position to verify those claims, and frankly doesn't bother me in the least.
What we get now on the Kiev thread is a lot Illusory Mongers with Multiple. Usernames, who pop up here, every now and then before they disappear, only to pop up later under another name.
But the scripts the dates, the style gives their game away.
I find this fucking annoying, where someone I thinks he is taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of us.
They end up losing all credibilty by doing it.
Hi LJ,
Do you remember the girl's name in golden time in Vienna?
Thanks,
NaykanHer name was Joanna, a very common Romanian name.
Ronaldinjo
05-23-12, 14:06
So many people discussing here clubs, bars, girls etc but who is visiting Kiev? Just kidding. Just back from Kiev and again there from Friday on for one week. So Climax, Liljoy and all the others. Let's have a beer and discuss it more personally. First time I go on my own and don't have one single business meeting.
PM me.Hello Kirch,
Could you post your Kiev experiance on the thread?
Thank you.
This story is entirely true. I respect the courage of this young Ukrainian diev. In fact, I really like her.Before you do something rash, it might be a good idea to look at the dark side of the equation. There is a story in today's Kiev Post about a Kiev stripper who married a Brit and then quite likely had him killed. Since this is not a court, do I think she ordered the hit in order to get his money since it is likely he figured her all out and was going to dump her.
Here's the link and there are lots of articles and photos of the girl when you Google her name.
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/ukraine/detail/128101/
The girls here, all of them P4P or not, have a way to get inside your head if you allow it. It is the P4P ones that can truly be dangerous since they have learned how to be completely manipulative and you won't know it until it is too late. In the case of the Brit in the article, he probably realized it about one millisecond before the car hit him.
Be very very careful when falling for a pro be they strippers or mamba girls or salon girls.
Unfortunately too many guys think that great sex = a great relationship. Great sex is just great sex and nothing more, paid or not.
All the other things in a relationship take time to figure out.
El Cubanito
05-23-12, 14:42
Honestly what Fun the Kiev thread is becoming. Really enjoying it.
Quote Originally Posted by Climaxnow [View Original Post]
Hi EC, don't be fooled into visiting Rio from the deceptive intel posted on this thread. Kirch is a creation of LJ to promote the club. As a matter of fact, here are all of the other LJ creations: Harry Hardman, Jack 2004, Poker Player, Limarian, Pedro Toronja, Ronaldninja. Quote.
Hello H H.
Get your Latino Chums, Pedro Toronja, and Portugese Ronaldninja, over here, and the all the Tapas and Sangria is on me.
So when I get my Ass to Rio, the drinks are on you, so I can afford the US$300 for 3 hours top of the range girl. I have my own rating system.
I can't do both.
I am sure you Understand, LOLI will find out soon enough what is the story in ukraine. I will my experience in Kiev and Odessa. I will post my report by June 12 or 14.
Before you do something rash, it might be a good idea to look at the dark side of the equation. There is a story in today's Kiev Post about a Kiev stripper who married a Brit and then quite likely had him killed. Since this is not a court, do I think she ordered the hit in order to get his money since it is likely he figured her all out and was going to dump her.
Here's the link and there are lots of articles and photos of the girl when you Google her name.
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/ukraine/detail/128101/
The girls here, all of them P4P or not, have a way to get inside your head if you allow it. It is the P4P ones that can truly be dangerous since they have learned how to be completely manipulative and you won't know it until it is too late. In the case of the Brit in the article, he probably realized it about one millisecond before the car hit him.
Be very very careful when falling for a pro be they strippers or mamba girls or salon girls.
Unfortunately too many guys think that great sex = a great relationship. Great sex is just great sex and nothing more, paid or not.
All the other things in a relationship take time to figure out.Never ever mix girls from the sex trade into your personal life. Even with strippers, its so easy for gullible men to justify in there head that the girl had to do it to pay for school or other needs. Ukranian devs are the masters of all conniving manipulators. That being said, plenty of good ones.
I certainly find all these bush league superficial posts annoying and deceitful because as you put it well: they give men an illusion and lure men to Kiev thinking it's easy to find good-looking cheap fucks or freebie GFE sex. Example, if you look back at posts in 2009 and 2010, you'll find fantasy mongers in their 40's claiming they had fucked 5 girls in one day and popped 7 times, and they continued this streak for 5 days. I think Uke Boy was one of the few found these posts bush league. The Kiev forum at times is very tainted by these illusory posts.Harry aka LJ, I noticed that you also mongered in Warsaw. Could you be so kind and tell me the difference between Kiev and Warsaw mongering. I promise to take a break from the accusations if an informative reply is posted.
SmilySmartie
05-23-12, 16:19
Hi Climaxnow,
First time I see a sensible comment from you. I will heed your advice. My story is entirely true nevertheless. When I wrote I am not a monger, I meant to tell that I date ladies, have dated some from Russia, which is easy due to my language skills and frequent travels, but I have not succumbed to supporting a diev for sex-first until last week. And that is also the truth.
Re. Your enquiry. I also like the slimmer skinnier (short haired boyish gamin type actually is most exciting) version and have found that in general Kiev women tend on the smaller size anyway. I suggest you spend a little time at the Red Lion strip club on Kreschatic, where you can have a few lap dances before you make your selection.
Entrance is £10 and £5 a dance
CityHunter77
05-23-12, 19:08
Hi Ronaldinjo.
We haven't seen any photos of Olya or a link to her mamba profile.
How do we know she was better than any stripper or a 9 as you put it.
Although you never took out any girls, what were the best looking girls in the stripclubs you visited?
Ronaldinjo
05-23-12, 23:42
Hi Ronaldinjo.
We haven't seen any photos of Olya or a link to her mamba profile.
How do we know she was better than any stripper or a 9 as you put it.
Although you never took out any girls, what were the best looking girls in the stripclubs you visited?Hello pal, as I have mentioned olya for me she was the best, for me she was 9-10, but for you she could be 7 or 8.
I didn't take any dancers from Rio bacause of her mostly. In my age (50) I can't bang everyday 3-4 times, its too much for me unfortunatelly. I was a lot of hours with olya and she drained me.
But I saw some attractive girls in Rio and dalls. I found Lj and Muddies comments about girls and there beauty mostly to be mostly true (although beauty is on the eye of beholder as Lj says and I tend to agree with him). Katya, Sofia, Margarita, Katarin, Tina, Marina, Leya, Zlatta, , Rosa, Vladislava and some other girls are nice, some are better facially some have better bodies, but girls are nice overall (about 8 in my opinion, some little bit less, some little bit more) , unfortunately not all are available for takeout. Also Dalls has some nice girls with great natural breasts to offer, although number of girls are less than in Rio, but you can see them in one room and no need to jump from room to room as in Rio. Haven't been in solid gold yet.
It would help us if boys will post informatively as LJ and Muddy did. When are you planning to come to Kiev?
Member #4274
05-24-12, 01:06
Before you do something rash, it might be a good idea to look at the dark side of the equation. There is a story in today's Kiev Post about a Kiev stripper who married a Brit and then quite likely had him killed. Since this is not a court, do I think she ordered the hit in order to get his money since it is likely he figured her all out and was going to dump her.
Here's the link and there are lots of articles and photos of the girl when you Google her name.
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/ukraine/detail/128101/
The girls here, all of them P4P or not, have a way to get inside your head if you allow it. It is the P4P ones that can truly be dangerous since they have learned how to be completely manipulative and you won't know it until it is too late. In the case of the Brit in the article, he probably realized it about one millisecond before the car hit him.
Be very very careful when falling for a pro be they strippers or mamba girls or salon girls.
Unfortunately too many guys think that great sex = a great relationship. Great sex is just great sex and nothing more, paid or not.
All the other things in a relationship take time to figure out.Thank you for bringing this article to our attention, Uke Boy. I feel for the poor bastard. However, I don't think this is indicitive of Ukraine or Ukrainian women. This story could happen and has happened all over the west, including Canada, and it does not always include a sex worker. I have met many women who were not sex workers yet can manipulate with the best of them, in North America and Eastern Europe.
Does this make Ukrainian sex workers more trustworthy? Not at all. However, to say 'the girls here' is not accurate, in my estimation. I think this situation would and has happened all over the world and it does not always include a former or current sex worker, in my opinion, anyway. Unfortunately, the successful relationships in the world that include a former sex worker don't make front page headlines. They make for whispers and quiet gossip.
Football games taking place sometime in June in Kiev. The city will be flooded with tourists affecting everything and everyone including apartment prices
Here is the dates from their website: "The final tournament will be hosted by Poland and Ukraine between 8 June and 1 July 2012."
JerseyGuy123
05-24-12, 03:44
Just came back from 3 days in Kiev with 1 day stop over in Frankfurt.
My connection flight from New York to Frankfurt was 2hrs delayed, I nearly missed my flight to Kiev. Once I got on my flight from Frankfurt to Kiev, plane was stuck on the runway for almost 2hrs, because of mechnical problems. Lufhansa airline really sucked.
I rented a nice clean apartment in center of Kiev from Best Kiev apartment service. Only problem I had with this apartment was there were no lights in the hallway to my apartment, so it was little challenging to unlock the door in the dark, when I compained to apartment manager, he simply said it's apartment owner's fault and there were nothing he can do about it, also when I request for some additional towels on second day, manager started to yell at me, telling me I should have pre-arrange it. Who ever said Sergey was a very helpful person was full of shit, in my 3 days of staying in the apartment, he never called once to check if everything was OK.
With all the running around in Frankfurt airport to catch my flight to Kiev and flight delays I was pretty much exhausted, so after quick meal and 2 hrs of sleep, I decided to go to Rio hoping for quick easy pick up and place was only 2 blocks from my apartment.
When I went in to Rio, girl at the front desk told me some bull shit about I have to go to sushi bar because upstairs bars was too crowded, after 5 mins I just ignored her and went upstairs anyway. She was right, for Thursday it was really packed. There was about 20 girls, most of them were 6-7s, maybe 5 were solid 8s and 3 9s. Most of the hot girls were busy with customers. I met fellow monger from Sweden and basically drank couple a beers and managed to get 3 lap dances from some of the 8s. Lap dances were pretty much lame, I wasn't allow to kiss or even suck their tits, after 2 hrs of this crap, I went back to my apartment.
Next day my friend from Germany arrived and insisted on going to Rio, I try to talk him out of it, but he wanted to see some of the dancers from his last trip, for some reason for Friday, it was lot less crowded than night before and lap dance were much better, all the girls let me suck on their tits and even one gave me a lfk during the lap dance. After serveral lap dances, I asked one of the manager to have to have a very hot dancer to joing me for a drink. She spoke good english and had very nice attitude so I decided to take her out.
This girl was solid 8 in looks and body. I have to say, I would rate her one of the best sex I ever had with WG. First round took 20mins and after 15mins of rest, we went for second round, that lasted for over 1hr of non stop sex, once I started to finger her and lick and eat her pussy, she started to moan, scream and went in to full orgasm, if she was faking, she should get a Oscar for her performance. She did almost everything I ask her to do and lots of dfk, but she would not give BBBJ, infact all the girls I ask for possible take out, they all said no to BBBJ.
Last night of the trip, we went to D'lux club. All this rumor about dress code in this club are bull shit, there were lots young guys in the club with jeans and T-shirt and some with sneakers. I never saw so many 9s and 10s in one place in my life, unfortunately place was so packed, I had hard time moving around, I suspected there were some WGs, but non would give any eye contact or even smile at you. After 2 hrs I left alone. I'm a very lazy monger, I don't like to work too hard to pick up girls. I find Kiev too much hassle for this monger, you really have to do lot's of work to pick up girls. I really miss Brazil during golden years. 2000-2006. Hopefully Brazillian Real will fall back to 3 to 1 in dollars. Kiev might be Ok for europeans, due to short distance, but from US, not worth the price and the hassle of long trip.
FKK palace still good as I remembered from 5 yrs ago. All the girls gave great BBBJ
Her name was Joanna, a very common Romanian name.Oh my god! Joanna at Golden time in Vienna is my ATF. See my posts about her in that forum. She is a perfection in a female form.
Oh my god! Joanna at Golden time in Vienna is my ATF. See my posts about her in that forum. She is a perfection in a female form.And I am sure there are many more men, in addition to you and me, who have also fallen in love / lust with her. Simply beautiful body, pretty face, sweet disposition, the whole package.
LJ
Hello pal, as I have mentioned olya for me she was the best, for me she was 9-10, but for you she could be 7 or 8.
I didn't take any dancers from Rio bacause of her mostly. In my age (50) I can't bang everyday 3-4 times, its too much for me unfortunatelly. I was a lot of hours with olya and she drained me.
But I saw some attractive girls in Rio and dalls. I found Lj and Muddies comments about girls and there beauty mostly to be mostly true (although beauty is on the eye of beholder as Lj says and I tend to agree with him). Katya, Sofia, Margarita, Katarin, Tina, Marina, Leya, Zlatta, , Rosa, Vladislava and some other girls are nice, some are better facially some have better bodies, but girls are nice overall (about 8 in my opinion, some little bit less, some little bit more) , unfortunately not all are available for takeout. Also Dalls has some nice girls with great natural breasts to offer, although number of girls are less than in Rio, but you can see them in one room and no need to jump from room to room as in Rio. Haven't been in solid gold yet.
It would help us if boys will post informatively as LJ and Muddy did. When are you planning to come to Kiev?Ronaldinjo, he and others, including myself, we're curious to see Olya's mamba profile, to see what she looked like, in that you preferred her over some pretty good looking strippers. So, unless you are feeling that you want to keep her for yourself (which sometimes happens to a monger when he finds something he really likes) perhaps copy and paste the link to her profile.
I have an update for you on your quest to catch sight of the beauty known as Leela at Rio. I had sent her a message just sending regards and to stay in touch about a week ago. I got back a reply saying she now has a boyfriend. Apparently, this fair creature has moved on and is no longer working, having found herself a sponsor. This happened to me once before, after I fell for a girl at Rio named Rosa last year, who had the prettiest face and über sexy body, and then suddenly she moved on having found a boyfriend. It happens.
LJ
DoctorOral
05-24-12, 16:22
http://flirt.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=586463025&hit=3
My driver anatolij just disappeared and I'll come to Kiev tomorrow. Anyone here who has contact to an english or german speaking driver? Not more than 10-15 USD an hour.
Ronaldinjo
05-25-12, 03:19
Ronaldinjo, he and others, including myself, we're curious to see Olya's mamba profile, to see what she looked like, in that you preferred her over some pretty good looking strippers. So, unless you are feeling that you want to keep her for yourself (which sometimes happens to a monger when he finds something he really likes) perhaps copy and paste the link to her profile.
I have an update for you on your quest to catch sight of the beauty known as Leela at Rio. I had sent her a message just sending regards and to stay in touch about a week ago. I got back a reply saying she now has a boyfriend. Apparently, this fair creature has moved on and is no longer working, having found herself a sponsor. This happened to me once before, after I fell for a girl at Rio named Rosa last year, who had the prettiest face and über sexy body, and then suddenly she moved on having found a boyfriend. It happens.
LJAbout Olya, since I left she has deleted her profile, I'm in touch with her by skype and was quirious if she deleted her mamba profile for me or for some other reason. In fact I did never get relible answer from her. Maybe she has another profile in mamba, I don't care right now.
I thought about it that Leela got boyfriend or omething like this, bacause nobody knew her in Rio, unfortunately her spell in Rio was very short.
I'm worried about all those fans, especcially english fans in euro in Kiev, they could spoil everything for us. Do you have any guess what is going to be after euro2012 in Kiev?
Ronaldinjo
05-25-12, 03:24
Just came back from 3 days in Kiev with 1 day stop over in Frankfurt.
My connection flight from New York to Frankfurt was 2hrs delayed, I nearly missed my flight to Kiev. Once I got on my flight from Frankfurt to Kiev, plane was stuck on the runway for almost 2hrs, because of mechnical problems. Lufhansa airline really sucked.
I rented a nice clean apartment in center of Kiev from Best Kiev apartment service. Only problem I had with this apartment was there were no lights in the hallway to my apartment, so it was little challenging to unlock the door in the dark, when I compained to apartment manager, he simply said it's apartment owner's fault and there were nothing he can do about it, also when I request for some additional towels on second day, manager started to yell at me, telling me I should have pre-arrange it. Who ever said Sergey was a very helpful person was full of shit, in my 3 days of staying in the apartment, he never called once to check if everything was OK.
With all the running around in Frankfurt airport to catch my flight to Kiev and flight delays I was pretty much exhausted, so after quick meal and 2 hrs of sleep, I decided to go to Rio hoping for quick easy pick up and place was only 2 blocks from my apartment.
When I went in to Rio, girl at the front desk told me some bull shit about I have to go to sushi bar because upstairs bars was too crowded, after 5 mins I just ignored her and went upstairs anyway. She was right, for Thursday it was really packed. There was about 20 girls, most of them were 6-7s, maybe 5 were solid 8s and 3 9s. Most of the hot girls were busy with customers. I met fellow monger from Sweden and basically drank couple a beers and managed to get 3 lap dances from some of the 8s. Lap dances were pretty much lame, I wasn't allow to kiss or even suck their tits, after 2 hrs of this crap, I went back to my apartment.
Next day my friend from Germany arrived and insisted on going to Rio, I try to talk him out of it, but he wanted to see some of the dancers from his last trip, for some reason for Friday, it was lot less crowded than night before and lap dance were much better, all the girls let me suck on their tits and even one gave me a lfk during the lap dance. After serveral lap dances, I asked one of the manager to have to have a very hot dancer to joing me for a drink. She spoke good english and had very nice attitude so I decided to take her out.
This girl was solid 8 in looks and body. I have to say, I would rate her one of the best sex I ever had with WG. First round took 20mins and after 15mins of rest, we went for second round, that lasted for over 1hr of non stop sex, once I started to finger her and lick and eat her pussy, she started to moan, scream and went in to full orgasm, if she was faking, she should get a Oscar for her performance. She did almost everything I ask her to do and lots of dfk, but she would not give BBBJ, infact all the girls I ask for possible take out, they all said no to BBBJ.
Last night of the trip, we went to D'lux club. All this rumor about dress code in this club are bull shit, there were lots young guys in the club with jeans and T-shirt and some with sneakers. I never saw so many 9s and 10s in one place in my life, unfortunately place was so packed, I had hard time moving around, I suspected there were some WGs, but non would give any eye contact or even smile at you. After 2 hrs I left alone. I'm a very lazy monger, I don't like to work too hard to pick up girls. I find Kiev too much hassle for this monger, you really have to do lot's of work to pick up girls. I really miss Brazil during golden years. 2000-2006. Hopefully Brazillian Real will fall back to 3 to 1 in dollars. Kiev might be Ok for europeans, due to short distance, but from US, not worth the price and the hassle of long trip.
FKK palace still good as I remembered from 5 yrs ago. All the girls gave great BBBJPlease could you tell me what was the name of the girl you took home from Rio? Or at least how did she look? (height, hair colour, face) thank you, with respect, Ronaldinjo
My driver anatolij just disappeared and I'll come to Kiev tomorrow. Anyone here who has contact to an english or german speaking driver? Not more than 10-15 USD an hour..
Going with the flow of what Climaxnow posted, LOL Why don't you contacr the same Taxi driver that Liljoey uses.
And you will save a lot of money if Liljoey also just happens to pop up in Kiev at the same time tomorrow. , LOL.
I doubt if Climaxnow will be flying from Chicgao to Kiev to meet up with you and LJ to discuss things personally like you suggested in your earlier post.
I guess climax will be very busy this weekend in Chicago, now the weather is getting warmer there in "The Windy City ". Now I know why they call it that, LOL.
DoctorOral
05-25-12, 11:38
Did one of our fellow members here meet this blondi? I am not sure if she is real. The communication with her is strange! http://flirt.com.ua/blondi1810 . Maybe someone has her private details or experience with her? She looks "wow".
Gentleman Travel
05-25-12, 15:28
Thank you for bringing this article to our attention, Uke Boy. I feel for the poor bastard. However, I don't think this is indicitive of Ukraine or Ukrainian women. This story could happen and has happened all over the west, including Canada, and it does not always include a sex worker. I have met many women who were not sex workers yet can manipulate with the best of them, in North America and Eastern Europe.
Does this make Ukrainian sex workers more trustworthy? Not at all. However, to say 'the girls here' is not accurate, in my estimation. I think this situation would and has happened all over the world and it does not always include a former or current sex worker, in my opinion, anyway. Unfortunately, the successful relationships in the world that include a former sex worker don't make front page headlines. They make for whispers and quiet gossip.I agree, Ukrainian women are not naturally more manipulative or venal than women elsewhere. Although one has to be careful of relationships with a pro anywhere.
Use pros for the services they provide, and value those that make it seem like it is a real GFE. Just remember that is their particular skill in creating an illusion, not the reality.
Uke Boy advises: "Be very very careful when falling for a pro be they strippers or mamba girls or salon girls."
Again, I think the operative word here is "pro". But Ukraine is filled with girls I would consider semi-pros, peddling their asses because they have to make ends meet, but hoping for a better life.
What is the difference between a pro and semi-pro? Hard to say, I guess it is a large grey zone from a girl who occasionally sleeps with a guy for money or shopping or trips, to girls who do it regularly while they work at their "official" daytime job.
My point is really that just because an EE girl has "sold" herself sometimes, I wouldn't hold that against her in terms of a different sort of relationship.
I agree, Ukrainian women are not naturally more manipulative or venal than women elsewhere.Ukrainian women are definitely more sneaky and conniving than their Russian cousins. Russian women are more honest, passionate and emotional.
CityHunter77
05-25-12, 16:31
About Olya, since I left she has deleted her profile, I'm in touch with her by skype and was quirious if she deleted her mamba profile for me or for some other reason. In fact I did never get relible answer from her. Maybe she has another profile in mamba, I don't care right now.
I thought about it that Leela got boyfriend or omething like this, bacause nobody knew her in Rio, unfortunately her spell in Rio was very short.
I'm worried about all those fans, especcially english fans in euro in Kiev, they could spoil everything for us. Do you have any guess what is going to be after euro2012 in Kiev?Hi Ronaldinjo.
There are 16 countries competing in the tournament.
Why only English fans will spoil everything?
Are they different from all the other nations?
Just arrived and on my own here for the first time and no business meeting. 8 days to try out new things. Last time I met soemone here from ISG and he gave me contacts to Mamba girls. 3 days before arriving chatting and chatting, Jesus a lot of work. But finally I have some numbers and some dates with professionals and non professionals. Some don't talk about money, some from the first response. All of them between 7 and 9. I will start tonight and not even having started it's stress! So many numbers, so many names. I'm confused. Reports to follow.
I got my driver back, thank god he got not lost.
Let's start the games!
Ronaldinjo
05-25-12, 17:23
Hi Ronaldinjo.
There are 16 countries competing in the tournament.
Why only English fans will spoil everything?
Are they different from all the other nations?They are known in whole world (especially soccer world) as furious mongers and are very much hated for it by most of the local citizens. Drink a lot, behave ugly (much worse than italians and even turks) spend huge amount of money (whole sallary) on women and don't have what to eat at home. A lot of portugueese women still are traumatized with their behaviour (several yers ago in euro 2004 in portugal). After many of them will see Kiev women, many of them will swap ukraine regardless soccer game and spoil it like they spoiled riga in late 90s and early 2000. Riga was once paradise that could evenly compete with Kiev, now it mostly sucks.
JerseyGuy123
05-25-12, 17:27
Please could you tell me what was the name of the girl you took home from Rio? Or at least how did she look? (height, hair colour, face) thank you, with respect, RonaldinjoI not 100% sure about her name, but I think it was Leeza. She was brunette. 5 feet 4 inches tall. 100 lbs and 22 years old.
She made my trip to Kiev worth while. I know I said on previous post, I probaly won't go back to Kiev, but if I ever have another business trip to Frankfurt or Monger trip to Frankfurt FKKs, I might make quick trip to Kiev from Germany.
I want to check out D'lux club on weekdays when it's not so crazy, because I can't get some of those numous 9s and 10s out of my head.
Cab driver coming back to my apartment told me 50% of girls in the D'lux were working girls, I kind of doubt it, but I like to find out. This club could turn in to another Help disco in Brazil during early 90's when it was regular dance club with lots of semi pro students and none working girls who came in to Help to dance and have good time.
I also found out from my one monger I met in Kiev, if you have unlock Iphone with local sim chip, you could navigate around the city with Google map.
Jerseyguy
Poker Player 2
05-26-12, 02:48
On this, my second trip to Kiev, I went to Dolls strip club and here is what I experienced on the evening of Monday May 21st. 2012. I had heard of Dolls club on ISG and some members claimed that the girls in this clube were fewer but were better quality compared to RIO girls. I arrived at about 12:30 AM and left before 2. 00 AM. The club had about 15 girls on duty and about 3 customers on my visit. The entrance is 100 UAH and small evians are 50 UAH. I was charged 210 UAH for one lady cocktail drink. The girls were mainly seated around the a couple of tables, smoking cigarettes while waiting for their trun to dance. On stage, the girls danced two dances and took their top off during the second dance. I was soon joined by a women in her mid 20s (vika) who danced (no contact) next to my table for me. I tipped her 100 UAH for her one minute fully clothed dance and invited her to sit down and bought her a drink. Vika told me that she is a university lecturer teaching History and works at the club part time. Vika explained to me the crazy menu, the table dance and private dances available at the club. Vika was charming all evening. I also inquired about take out which is available. I took a private dance from her which was frankly uninspiring and expensive (400 UAH for two dances). Vika allowed lite touching of her breast and that is about all! Vika did not do take out and when I pointed out a very cute 20 year old girl on stage, I was advised she was not available for a take out either. Another girl was presented which was available for take out but was not to my likings at all. Take out price: 300 USD for two hours and 500 USD. While I was conversing with Vika at my table, other girls would come uninvited and dance by my table. I would tip them each 50 UAH everytime to leave, making the mental note that I need to leave the club ASAP. My conclusion: I do not know how Dolls club stays in business; I must have caught them on a bad night and perhaps I got the most conservative girl at the club sit with me. I must be missing something but I have no intention of going back to Dolls anytime soon. I would dispute member assertion that Dolls girls has better looking girls than RIO or Penthouse. Overall, the quality of the talent seemed questionable to me on this evening. One other point, the stage was a fair distance away from my table and getting a close up of the dancer's face was not easy.
At about 12:30 Am on Tuesday May 22nd. 2012, I went to Shooters club. I arrived with a taxi and I noticed there were a few girls waiting outside to get in. I was shown unusual respect and courtesy by all the staff at shooters. Security wished me a good evening and the doorman opened the club door and invited me to go in. There is a100 UAH fee to get in and you are given a juice can and a receipt to get either whisky or vodka from the bar inside. I missed the KASSA sign and the hostess sweetly led me to the window to pay. The disco is not large and is terribly crowded. It was previously reported that the bar is owned by some Scottish folks but I have on good authority that it is now owned by a Turkish man called Ozzy! Certainly, our Turkish\Middle Eastern friends appeared to be well represnted in the Disco on this evening. The place if full of young, mostly beautiful girls dressed to impress but perhaps not the most appropriate place for a man of my age. Nevertheless, I tried to engage two different girls in dance and conversation who appeared unattended only to be ignored. I went upstairs to the resturant which I understand has good food but I was not hungry and I also went to the bar downstairs which was mostly empty. I had a beer and was also given a choice of vodka or whiskey. I suggest you go with the whiskey; the Vodka, I did not like. The beer which I paid for appeared to be rather less expensive than other clubs. There are many things I do not get about this club- I am sure that is a function of me being uninformed mostly. There is face control but I saw many girls and boys dressed in Jeans inside. In general, I did not get the fuss about this club. What distinguishes this club for some members, I can not tell.
On this trip, I also visited Vodka Bar which I had commented on previously. Well, it has not changed much! I went to Vodka Bar about 1. 00 AM on Wednesday May 23rd. 2012. The bar was very busy with lots of men; ratio about 2:1 Men to women. The going price appeared to be 300 USD per hour and 1000 USD for the night from one not so spectacular girl. I suspect most cities in the world have a VB- my opinion of this bar has not changed: men are paying world prices for professional girls in the worst sense of the word. I would not trust any of the girls I saw at VB and their contempt for their preys is ill conceived.
One other thing I noticed, I can confirm some street action around the McDonalds on Kreshtik. I was offered 100 USD for 2-3 hours but I did not accept as she appeared a bit too skanky even for me!
Poker Player 2
05-26-12, 14:29
OOPS! I am sorry, I am referring to Budda bar on Krashtik on the paragraph below ofcourse and not Vodka Bar! I must still be jet lagged!
On this trip, I also visited Vodka Bar which I had commented on previously. Well, it has not changed much! I went to Vodka Bar about 1. 00 AM on Wednesday May 23rd. 2012. The bar was very busy with lots of men; ratio about 2:1 Men to women. The going price appeared to be 300 USD per hour and 1000 USD for the night from one not so spectacular girl. I suspect most cities in the world have a VB- my opinion of this bar has not changed: men are paying world prices for professional girls in the worst sense of the word. I would not trust any of the girls I saw at VB and their contempt for their preys is ill conceived.
One other thing I noticed, I can confirm some street action around the McDonalds on Kreshtik. I was offered 100 USD for 2-3 hours but I did not accept as she appeared a bit too skanky even for me![/QUOTE]
CallSign Papa
05-26-12, 15:23
They are known in whole world (especially soccer world) as furious mongers and are very much hated for it by most of the local citizens. Drink a lot, behave ugly (much worse than italians and even turks) spend huge amount of money (whole sallary) on women and don't have what to eat at home. A lot of portugueese women still are traumatized with their behaviour (several yers ago in euro 2004 in portugal). After many of them will see Kiev women, many of them will swap ukraine regardless soccer game and spoil it like they spoiled riga in late 90s and early 2000. Riga was once paradise that could evenly compete with Kiev, now it mostly sucks.In terms of football violence, nobody beats the Argentineans, have you ever seen a Boca v Flamengo game? People get killed.
The Polish have a worse domestic football violence problem now than England in the "dark days" of the 80s.
But hey, don't let little things like facts get in the way of your inane and uninformed posting, you haven't previously.
The prices paid in Kiev are far too high. Ukraine is one of the poorest country in europe. There are only few countries in Europe where you pay more for sex! Strange. Also in Ukraine, espacielly Kiev and Odessa, the number of sex diseases is the highest in Europe. Its no secret for ukrainian citizens, that many women hide their fishy odor with cosmetics, and only idiots think it would be natural. No, boys, its an indicator of disease! By the way, why do you think so few ukrainian men don't lick ukrainian woman? Because they do not know how it goes? Hmmm. Think about it! The quality of girls has also decreased dramatically. Five years, even two years ago it was not as bad as this year. I can only recommend to learn the Russian language and not to pay every price only for a fuck. The price for a 8/10 should not be more than 600grw including Taxi, otherwise you've definitely done something wrong. But like my grandpa said: Every morning an idiot will wake up, you only have to find him. Note: I was in bucharest until yesterday and I had there sex for 50 to 100 lei per hour with realy beautiful young girls (8/10)!
Here is a link to a UK article. Interesting read. Egads! I used Elenamodels during that time period too! It could have been me. Or not.
"He said: 'My concern, is our relationship! All our conversations / mails have always been about the visa / shoes etc. At no time have you been interested about "US", or expressed any interest in developing the relationship. I do not sense any emotions from you, even though I have told you how I feel. '"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004869/Barry-Prings-mysterious-death-internet-bride-battling-family-1-5m-fortune.html#ixzz1PjAItiBa
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2004869/Barry-Prings-mysterious-death-internet-bride-battling-family-1-5m-fortune.html#ixzz1vzkrJu2G
Before you do something rash, it might be a good idea to look at the dark side of the equation. There is a story in today's Kiev Post about a Kiev stripper who married a Brit and then quite likely had him killed. Since this is not a court, do I think she ordered the hit in order to get his money since it is likely he figured her all out and was going to dump her.
Here's the link and there are lots of articles and photos of the girl when you Google her name.
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/ukraine/detail/128101/
The girls here, all of them P4P or not, have a way to get inside your head if you allow it. It is the P4P ones that can truly be dangerous since they have learned how to be completely manipulative and you won't know it until it is too late. In the case of the Brit in the article, he probably realized it about one millisecond before the car hit him.
Be very very careful when falling for a pro be they strippers or mamba girls or salon girls.
Unfortunately too many guys think that great sex = a great relationship. Great sex is just great sex and nothing more, paid or not.
All the other things in a relationship take time to figure out.
I usually do it for 20 days at a stretch. My goal is 3 girls a day.
I certainly find all these bush league superficial posts annoying and deceitful because as you put it well: they give men an illusion and lure men to Kiev thinking it's easy to find good-looking cheap fucks or freebie GFE sex. Example, if you look back at posts in 2009 and 2010, you'll find fantasy mongers in their 40's claiming they had fucked 5 girls in one day and popped 7 times, and they continued this streak for 5 days. I think Uke Boy was one of the few found these posts bush league. The Kiev forum at times is very tainted by these illusory posts.
All you had to do is show up and speak English.
This makes me ponder about the pre-internet era, the era where you actually needed balls to travel halfway around the world without even one single info about where to find girls (and nor about where to find anything in fact). That was a thrill, but now the thrill is gone, unless you go beyond the Urals or to the Stans. Today people are over-informed, and it seems that they need even more and more info than the tons that they already have. I can't remember how many times sex-weaned friends questionned me about where to go in FSU while drooling on their shirts. Fucking insecure suckers. Get some balls. First time I was in Brasil, it was in Belem, I was on my own, it was in 1988, and I took no advice before.
Just a thought. Maybe too much Chardonnais for lunch. (smile)
$100-$200 for each visit would have done it.
Take her shopping until she gives it up? Umm, ok.
Send me her mamba link and I'll pop her for $100 if I haven't already.
In summary, I was very lucky to to be able to sponsor a Met-Art quality type of diev 23 years younger than myself, had endless voyeuristic pleasure and she made me cum at will. Sustaining and sponsoring the gal's shopping hobby until she was exhausted broke down all her defenses. 2nd evening with a stranger and the bimbo orgasmed entirely naturally, in love and totally at ease. This story is entirely true. I respect the courage of this young Ukrainian diev. In fact, I really like her.
Member #4274
05-26-12, 21:39
The prices paid in Kiev are far too high. Ukraine is one of the poorest country in europe. There are only few countries in Europe where you pay more for sex! Strange. Also in Ukraine, espacielly Kiev and Odessa, the number of sex diseases is the highest in Europe. Its no secret for ukrainian citizens, that many women hide their fishy odor with cosmetics, and only idiots think it would be natural. No, boys, its an indicator of disease! By the way, why do you think so few ukrainian men don't lick ukrainian woman? Because they do not know how it goes? Hmmm. Think about it! The quality of girls has also decreased dramatically. Five years, even two years ago it was not as bad as this year. I can only recommend to learn the Russian language and not to pay every price only for a fuck. The price for a 8/10 should not be more than 600grw including Taxi, otherwise you've definitely done something wrong. But like my grandpa said: Every morning an idiot will wake up, you only have to find him. Note: I was in bucharest until yesterday and I had there sex for 50 to 100 lei per hour with realy beautiful young girls (8/10)!I couldn't agree more. The problem is that without the need for a visa Kiev is flooded with men arriving for sex tourism. That means things are becoming distorted and women are getting more money from certain guys then perhaps they should be. Not that I am so innocent. The first time I visited Kiev was in 2010 and I met a real beauty at River Palace and paid her 200 USD for two hours. I also don't regret it as she was quite lovely and very friendly. She also introduced me to her roomate who was equally as beautiful and asked for 200 over two hours. This might be more then I should have paid but in truth I was not aware of the average rate nor did I know at the time that ISG existed. However, had I only offered her 600 UAH for two hours she would have turned around and gone back to smoking her Parliament cigarettes and waited for another guy. I could have said no in the interest of forcing the market down, sure, but when you've had a few drinks, are completely attracted to a young woman and you have a healthy western bank account its almost unrealistic to expect a man to say 'No thanks' and go home alone.
That said, going back to threads from 2009, there might be 6 or 7 posts on the Kiev thread that are worth reading and actually teach a new monger anything. I learned more from 4 weeks of winging it in Kiev and Minsk then anything I learned on this thread. Some entertaining stories, however, it's basically men bickering, falso bravado, endless posts about a strip club and guys bragging about how many girls they can sleep with in 20 days. Terrible. If I met a new monger tomorrow who was heading to Kiev and he was not aware of this site I would be hesitant to recommend the Kiev thread to him. That's the honest truth. Some might disagree or even feel offended but I ask you to take a gander back at the threads from the last couple years before you make your reply. Having done that, I would be surprised if you would continue to feel affronted.
Actually it doesn't have quite a much to do with visas. Had more to do with the skyrocketing economy from 2004-2008. Kiev pretty much sucks as a tourist city and for the sex tourist. There are better and less expensive places to go in Europe for sex tourism. The FKK clubs come to mind.
Yeah, you are part of the problem CB. Just like taxis if a girl tosses out a high price you just move on to the next. In 2010 $200 for a few hours with a nine wasn't an outrageous price, wasn't a good one either.
The quality of the posting on ISG really started to go down hill after 2010. Most of the good contributors such as Dr Skank just lost interest. I remember how we promised in 2010 after the annual Super Bowl Ho Down to post about our experiences that night and to set up one for the next year. Of course it didn't help that River Palace set sail. Neither happened. From 2004-2010 I had some really off the chart great times. I continue to have a fantastic time everytime I go to Kiev but not quite the same.
If you want the low down on how it is in Kiev check out the RODs, postings by Irish Lad, Uke Boy and a select few others.
I couldn't agree more. The problem is that without the need for a visa Kiev is flooded with men arriving for sex tourism.
I could have said no in the interest of forcing the market down, sure, but when you've had a few drinks, are completely attracted to a young woman and you have a healthy western bank account its almost unrealistic to expect a man to say 'No thanks' and go home alone.
That said, going back to threads from 2009, there might be 6 or 7 posts on the Kiev thread that are worth reading and actually teach a new monger anything.
Actually it doesn't have quite a much to do with visas.Of course it does. Visa-free travels have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade and spoil the playground. Kiev has becomed the new mecca for sex-tourism. That said, the top 10% of chasers in terms of "skills", appearance, style and cultural awareness can still have easy pickings, but with more work and more €€€ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship, ect, than in a Russian (Moscow included) or Stans city.
I usually do it for 20 days at a stretch. My goal is 3 girls a day.How else could you have built up your portfolio of 1200 girls on your Android Phone.
I couldn't agree more. .
That said, going back to threads from 2009, there might be 6 or 7 posts on the Kiev thread that are worth reading and actually teach a new monger anything. I learned more from 4 weeks of winging it in Kiev and Minsk then anything I learned on this thread. Some entertaining stories, however, it's basically men bickering, falso bravado, endless posts about a strip club and guys bragging about how many girls they can sleep with in 20 days. Terrible. If I met a new monger tomorrow who was heading to Kiev and he was not aware of this site I would be hesitant to recommend the Kiev thread to him. That's the honest truth. Some might disagree or even feel offended but I ask you to take a gander back at the threads from the last couple years before you make your reply. Having done that, I would be surprised if you would continue to feel affronted..
I got on this thread in 2009. The only thing I learned from it was about River Palace and the prices asked by the girls.
Everything about Kiev from the moment I landed there until I left in sept 2009, I had to find out for myself. And as soon as I got back to London, I posted a detailed guide to newbies.
I happen to believe, that I either put up or shut up
What you s aid above is the honest truth.
Harry Hardman
05-27-12, 09:36
I usually do it for 20 days at a stretch. My goal is 3 girls a day.You're a more credible man. With more than a thousand back and calls on your phone, the goal of 3 girls a day for 20 days at a stretch is plausible. If you're over 40 and cum 3 times each day for 20 days at a stretch, it'd be pretty impressive too. Sometimes, I cum 3 times in one hour in good pussy and with good bbbj, getting the job done in an hour with no talking and other bullshit. What I usually do is to eat lots of meat to get the cum production going nonstop, especially when I meet with female vacuum cleaners. They really suck you dry.
Of course it does. Visa-free travels have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade and spoil the playground. Kiev has becomed the new mecca for sex-tourism. That said, the top 10% of chasers in terms of "skills", appearance, style and cultural awareness can still have easy pickings, but with more work and more €€€ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship, ect, than in a Russian (Moscow included) or Stans city..
Fully agree with Prosal on the above, except for the part on Russia. Simply because I feel I have lost the balls to try Russia as a monger.
I might try Kaliningrad though. If it gets too much there, then just head back on the bus to Gdansk Poland. Few hours ride on the bus. .
Also Kaliningrad is really less Russian than Russia Proper, more of a German feel to it. Because of its history.
. I think Canadian Boy might like it as well, being virgin territory for our hobby.
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Visa Free Travel plus Budget airlines fucked up cities and towns all over EE countries. Prague and Warsaw were the Mecca for beautiful freebies, when being young, westerner and over there, was a Novelty in those days.
Now the typical monger there is the 3 Os, Overweight, Overpaid, and overthere.
Wait when the England Football Fans get a taste of UA pussies.
There were plently of low lifes in Ukraine before 2005. All a Westerner needed to get a visa was $100, a passport, two passport photos, fill out the application and mail the bundle to the nearest Ukrainian consulate. I dropped mine off at the one in NYC and picked it up two days later.
Remember the days of the 'romance tours' when hundreds of the CIS finest would should up to meet dozens of the western worlds not so finest?
I really don't see how Kiev has become the new mecca for sex tourism, nothing replaced Rest Town, nothing replaced River Palace. I think for the most part guys can go ho hunting less expensive in their own countries. I sponsor uni girls in Kiev for $100. I sponsor uni girls in Boston for $100. University cities are great. :)
Of course it does. Visa-free travels have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade and spoil the playground. Kiev has becomed the new mecca for sex-tourism. That said, the top 10% of chasers in terms of "skills", appearance, style and cultural awareness can still have easy pickings, but with more work and more €€€ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship, ect, than in a Russian (Moscow included) or Stans city.
Dating sites, night clubs, walking around and daily interaction.
TBH, I should probably delete 600 numbers and add a new 600. :)
How else could you have built up your portfolio of 1200 girls on your Android Phone.
You didn't read enough. Postings by Dr Skank, Uke Boy and a few other were epic and very informative.
And Jojo, I think CB is pointing his finger somewhat at you as far as useless posts go.
My crap to good information ratio has always been about the same, I do tend to go off on a tangent sometimes.
This forum when it was another forum (those three letters are blocked for some reason) was one of the reasons why I went to Kiev in late 2004.
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I got on this thread in 2009. The only thing I learned from it was about River Palace and the prices asked by the girls.
I sponsor uni girls in Kiev for $100 :)I believe you. Problem is not the "professional" skilled monger, but the hords of unskilled sex-weaned mongers who invade the playground, throw money at women (which spoils them a lot and globally spoils the scene) , much of it thrown straight out the window.
Dating sites, night clubs, walking around and daily interaction.
TBH, I should probably delete 600 numbers and add a new 600. .Not questioning your numbers on the list, but that I can easily do it in London, or Washington, DC.
Turn up at Josephene Club, DC and I will show you how.
You didn't read enough. Postings by Dr Skank, Uke Boy and a few other were epic and very informative.Frankly I go for direct factual info. Like specific names of clubs, prices, taxis, info etc.
I am not into reading long erotic postes.
Uke Boy (I like to think of him now as a Friend that I never met) gave me a real Bollocking on the open forum here, when I asked him, What was the Meaning Of Salons.
Then he told me to read " BORAT 69" posts and do excactly as he said.
And there was no way 4me doing it the (BORAT 69) way, with all the $$$$ he said he spent there
. For me that defeats the whole object of getting my ass to Kiev in the first place.
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I guess UkeBoy thought that my Pockets were as deep as BORAT's 69.
BTW, where is BORAT 69, Asian Chaos. .
Yes, UkeBoy is the senior with the expert factual knowledge of the Kiev and Ukraine scene, without the Bragging. This is typical British Modesty for you.
Hope he is settled in his new dream job, that he told us about.
Irish Lad was the senior who enlightend me on what sponsorship meant, and how it differed from straight forward Prostitution. .
And if it wasn't for him deciphering that Dasha wasn't a Hooker, I wouldn't have met her. .
As for you CD, in all my years here on this thread, I learned (Fuck All) from you in 2009 and (Fuck All) in 2012. .
Now back to my Meat Joint and Bottle of Strong English Perry, chatting with more Old Gits in my local Bar. .
Have you tried a strong Perry?
Hi Guys,
I see that some of yo have a sound knowledge of the Ukrainian girls!
I'll be there in June for a fortnight during the Euro, and I'm looking for a couple of amateur / semi-pro girls to help my journey be successfull.
I like slim girls. 20-25, GFE, very pretty of course. As for sex, I like blowjob expertise.)
Anyway, thanks a lot for taking the time to read me, and maybe answer. And if some of you are in Kiev then, maybe we can talk about this in real!
Regards
Of course it does. Visa-free travels have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade and spoil the playground. Kiev has becomed the new mecca for sex-tourism. That said, the top 10% of chasers in terms of "skills", appearance, style and cultural awareness can still have easy pickings, but with more work and more €€€ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship, ect, than in a Russian (Moscow included) or Stans city..
We should start worrying when the UA Nationals get VISA FREE to travel to EU countries.
I posted a link about such talk, about 2 and a half years ago, in response to Reiner Otto. .
At the time there was talk about waiving the Visa for UA nationals to enable them to cross over to Poland for Euro football in June.
And if this was a success, then there was further talk of extending it beyond the Euro Championship.
Albania, Bosnia as well as Serbia and Croatia, all their citizens now enjoy travel to EU countries, without needing Visas first.
I argued in my post then, that if Albanians who hail from one of the poorest countries in Europe travel Visa FRee, then its only logical that sooner rather than later, Ukrainians will follow.
Ukraine apart from its beautiful girls, has anormous potential for the EU.
If it wasn't for East V west divide within Ukraine itself and Russia next door.
Would love to see UA girls in London , the men can go to Paris, LOL.
Of course it does. Visa-free travels have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade and spoil the playground. Kiev has becomed the new mecca for sex-tourism. That said, the top 10% of chasers in terms of "skills", appearance, style and cultural awareness can still have easy pickings, but with more work and more €€€ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship, ect, than in a Russian (Moscow included) or Stans city..
We should start worrying when the UA Nationals get VISA FREE to travel to EU countries.
I posted a link about such talk, about 2 and a half years ago, in response to Reiner Otto. .
At the time there was talk about waiving the Visa for UA nationals to enable them to cross over to Poland for Euro football in June.
And if this was a success, then there was further talk of extending it beyond the Euro Championship.
Albania, Bosnia as well as Serbia and Croatia, all their citizens now enjoy travel to EU countries, without needing Visas first.
I argued in my post then, that if Albanians who hail from one of the poorest countries in Europe travel Visa FRee, then its only logical that sooner rather than later, Ukrainians will follow.
Ukraine apart from its beautiful girls, has anormous potential for the EU.
If it wasn't for East V west divide within Ukraine itself and Russia next door.
Would love to see UA girls in LONDON, the men can go To PARIS, LOL.
With regard to Visa Free, re above countries, this was for countires in the EU that signed the Schingen visa scheme. The UK is not a member, it has its own border contorls. This hasn't stopped rif raffs from Eastern Europe as well as Albanian and Kosovan gangs from setting up in the Uk & LOndon.
Croatia and Serbia are now candidate members to join the EU.
Member #4274
05-27-12, 17:09
Of course it does. Visa-free travels have enabled a lower caliber of monger to invade and spoil the playground. Kiev has becomed the new mecca for sex-tourism. That said, the top 10% of chasers in terms of "skills", appearance, style and cultural awareness can still have easy pickings, but with more work and more €€€ spent on entertainment, presents, courtship, ect, than in a Russian (Moscow included) or Stans city.Exactly! It has a lot to do with the visa. The best example is Minsk and Kiev, two cities very close to one another yet very different for mongering. Kiev is overwrought with sex tourist compared to the Minsk. There are a few reasons for this, I am sure, but the fact Ukraine is visa free and Belarus is not plays a major role.
CallSign Papa
05-27-12, 18:24
Note: I was in bucharest until yesterday and I had there sex for 50 to 100 lei per hour with realy beautiful young girls (8/10)!And yet not one report about it on the Bucharest thread. If one were so inclined, one might easily call bullsh*t to such a claim.
JerseyGuy123
05-27-12, 18:48
Exactly! It has a lot to do with the visa. The best example is Minsk and Kiev, two cities very close to one another yet very different for mongering. Kiev is overwrought with sex tourist compared to the Minsk. There are a few reasons for this, I am sure, but the fact Ukraine is visa free and Belarus is not plays a major role.It has to do with 1% of Ukrainian and Russians who makes 10x more money than average Mongers. Before 2005 there were very few locals who could afford or willing to spend big money to sponsor those 9's and 10s at the Dance clubs like D'lux or even take out girls in strip clubs like Rio. Also for Americans, dollar went to shits. Prior to 2005, I was making at least 3 trips to Brasil a year, I was able to pick up 9's and 10s in their top clubs for $100 like Club Photo, now those same girls cost at least $300 plus. Also plane fare has almost double in past serveral years for us normal monger to travel.
Hi Guys,
I see that some of yo have a sound knowledge of the Ukrainian girls!
I'll be there in June for a fortnight during the Euro, and I'm looking for a couple of amateur / semi-pro girls to help my journey be successfull.
I like slim girls. 20-25, GFE, very pretty of course. As for sex, I like blowjob expertise.)
Anyway, thanks a lot for taking the time to read me, and maybe answer. And if some of you are in Kiev then, maybe we can talk about this in real!
RegardsI really admire you for one thing.
Wot a Fucking Cheek?
Hi Guys,
I see that some of yo have a sound knowledge of the Ukrainian girls!
I'll be there in June for a fortnight during the Euro, and I'm looking for a couple of amateur / semi-pro girls to help my journey be successfull.
I like slim girls. 20-25, GFE, very pretty of course. As for sex, I like blowjob expertise.)
Anyway, thanks a lot for taking the time to read me, and maybe answer. And if some of you are in Kiev then, maybe we can talk about this in real!
RegardsI really admire you for one thing.
Wot a Fucking Cheek.
Some questions 4 you, if I may.
Mr Lejude. How do you like your Blowjob, Rare, Medium, or Well Done?
With or witout your favorite Condom.
Which Fucking Team are you supporting.
The reason I ask, because They need a kick up their asses. I hope Dynamo Kiev supporters do just that.
Jojo, you barely have the skills to pull a 5 in River Palace of old with a $100 note taped to each lapel.
Not questioning your numbers on the list, but that I can easily do it in London, or Washington, DC.
Turn up at Josephene Club, DC and I will show you how.
JerseyGuy123
05-28-12, 04:37
Exactly! It has a lot to do with the visa. The best example is Minsk and Kiev, two cities very close to one another yet very different for mongering. Kiev is overwrought with sex tourist compared to the Minsk. There are a few reasons for this, I am sure, but the fact Ukraine is visa free and Belarus is not plays a major role.It's kind of bizzarro world, when you pay almost same amount of money for lap dances in Kiev, as you do in US. Average American makes 5x more money than Ukrainians. Funny thing is in my home state of New Jersey. 90% of strippers are either Ukrainians or Russians, and they are lot better looking than in Kiev. Only problem is, there are almost no chance of hooking up with strippers and no touching, unless you drop some serious cash.
My only conclusion is, besides more foreign mongers in Ukraine, there is enough new class of rich Ukrainian and Russians who likes to come to strip clubs like Rio and out spend foreign mongers.
Jerseyguy
This Kiev Report is becoming more and more stupid. Too many people sitting at home on their sofas and writing reports because they have been once or twice or may be even 10 times to Russia, Ukraine or alike. They think they know but they know nothing. I have been to Russia and Ukraine about 200 times for the last 10 years and I say I am NOT an expert in this! Everbody has his own requirements (expensive or cheap, beautiful or average, easy or hard to get, style, etc.). I'm not interested in discussions and wrong facts, so why don't we open a new one only for facts! Listings of webpages, clubs, strip clubs, massage salons, public areas etc with some helpful information. ONLY facts about it and everyone can make his own picture whether he likes or not.
Ah yes, one of the reasons why I like NJ. .
The hot dancers in Kiev are at the Rhino clubs. Those girls are smokin' but there is a no take out policy. Between that and the cost being the same or more, might as well stay in NJ, eh?
And yes, the average American does make much more money than the average Ukrainian but you'll never see an average Ukrainian inside Rio. But yes, there is a decent sized (not large by any means) class of Ukrainians and Russians who have money.
Are you the one who left the NJ pipefitters union sticker inside the Arena Beer Pub men's bathroom?
It's kind of bizzarro world, when you pay almost same amount of money for lap dances in Kiev, as you do in US. Average American makes 5x more money than Ukrainians. Funny thing is in my home state of New Jersey. 90% of strippers are either Ukrainians or Russians, and they are lot better looking than in Kiev. Only problem is, there are almost no chance of hooking up with strippers and no touching, unless you drop some serious cash.
My only conclusion is, besides more foreign mongers in Ukraine, there is enough new class of rich Ukrainian and Russians who likes to come to strip clubs like Rio and out spend foreign mongers.
Jerseyguy
Ding ding ding. Give this man a prize. Natasha?
It has to do with 1% of Ukrainian and Russians who makes 10x more money than average Mongers. Before 2005 there were very few locals who could afford or willing to spend big money to sponsor those 9's and 10s at the Dance clubs like D'lux or even take out girls in strip clubs like Rio. Also for Americans, dollar went to shits. Prior to 2005, I was making at least 3 trips to Brasil a year, I was able to pick up 9's and 10s in their top clubs for $100 like Club Photo, now those same girls cost at least $300 plus. Also plane fare has almost double in past serveral years for us normal monger to travel.
Dating sites, night clubs, walking around and daily interaction.
TBH, I should probably delete 600 numbers and add a new 600. .Another Flash Harry chasing teen age pussy on Kreshatick.
I suppose wearing your Armani suite as well.
Please give us information about Club Photo. Where is this club?
Thank you!
It has to do with 1% of Ukrainian and Russians who makes 10x more money than average Mongers. Before 2005 there were very few locals who could afford or willing to spend big money to sponsor those 9's and 10s at the Dance clubs like D'lux or even take out girls in strip clubs like Rio. Also for Americans, dollar went to shits. Prior to 2005, I was making at least 3 trips to Brasil a year, I was able to pick up 9's and 10s in their top clubs for $100 like Club Photo, now those same girls cost at least $300 plus. Also plane fare has almost double in past serveral years for us normal monger to travel.
Jojo, you barely have the skills to pull a 5 in River Palace of old with a $100 note taped to each lapel..
You make me blow my own trumpet here.
I might not have your skills, like turning up in a suit in Kiev disco Clubs (How I laughed when Prosal Took the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) out of you 4 doing it, Thank You Prosal) to pull hookers, But I Have the Height (+ I Was told the Looks as well) plus enough Bullshiting Skills to talk the RP girls to meet me the following day at happy hour times, for the grand sum of US 100. Check my posts of 2009 and later.
With all your skills you paid them US$200.
As if skills were needed in River Palace then to fuck the Hookers of yesterday.
JerseyGuy123
05-29-12, 07:48
Ah yes, one of the reasons why I like NJ. .
The hot dancers in Kiev are at the Rhino clubs. Those girls are smokin' but there is a no take out policy. Between that and the cost being the same or more, might as well stay in NJ, eh?
And yes, the average American does make much more money than the average Ukrainian but you'll never see an average Ukrainian inside Rio. But yes, there is a decent sized (not large by any means) class of Ukrainians and Russians who have money.
Are you the one who left the NJ pipefitters union sticker inside the Arena Beer Pub men's bathroom?To dumb ass, aka Cruiser D.
No shit Sherlock, that there are only very few Ukrainians who could afford to go to Club like Rio, but there are enough to keep that place packed.
If you know anything about NJ, you would know, certified union plumbers in NJ makes more money than average Medical Doctors.
It was my first time in Kiev for very short trip and I was just little price shocked, regarding price of lap dances compare to US. I also assumed for $25 lap dances in strip clubs in Kiev, I would get lot more mileage in contact and performance than in US. I'm perfectly Ok with paying $25 or more for lap dances, if it was lot better than the ones I get at home. It might be strange concept to you, but there are lots of guys who enjoys good lap dances at strip clubs as much as good sex, and I droped over $500 in Club Rio for drinks, lap dance and to bring a super hot dancer to my apartment from the club on Friday night with no regrets. I not a bargain hunter like you, also not a arrogant prick, who constantly attack other people on this board. I also make lot more money than average American, well over six figures, if you have to know.
Just chill out, don't be a such a jerk.
JerseyGuy123
05-29-12, 08:49
Please give us information about Club Photo. Where is this club?
Thank you!Actually, name of the club is called Cafe Fotos. It located in Sao Paulo, Brazil. It's one of top club in Sao Paulo. When I use to visit there during. 1999-2005 it was like being in Disney land for men. From outside, it look like a small castle and inside was just as impressive.
On average night, there would be least 100 girls working, majority being 8s and 9s and few real 10s. Girls all were Evening gown, majority of girls were white, lots of girls with German and eastern european Ancestery, I guess from mass immigration in early 19th hundreds. Price ranged from $100 to $200 for the whole night, depending on currency exchange back then. From what informations I gathered from Sao Paulo board, place moved to new location and now girls are asking any where from $300 to $500 a night. Also there is $150 entrance fee. I haven't been in Sao Paulo since 2006, but I might go back this fall. At least I won't run into prick like The awsome Cruise Dick head.
Jerseyguy
JerseyGuy123
05-29-12, 08:53
Another Flash Harry chasing teen age pussy on Kreshatick.
I suppose wearing your Armani suite as well.Don't forget about his rug on top of his head.
JerseyGuy123
05-29-12, 09:14
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Ronaldinjo
05-29-12, 11:33
It's kind of bizzarro world, when you pay almost same amount of money for lap dances in Kiev, as you do in US. Average American makes 5x more money than Ukrainians. Funny thing is in my home state of New Jersey. 90% of strippers are either Ukrainians or Russians, and they are lot better looking than in Kiev. Only problem is, there are almost no chance of hooking up with strippers and no touching, unless you drop some serious cash.
My only conclusion is, besides more foreign mongers in Ukraine, there is enough new class of rich Ukrainian and Russians who likes to come to strip clubs like Rio and out spend foreign mongers.
JerseyguyYou are wright, there are good amount of very nice ukrainian strippers in USA, but you can't do with them nothing, maybe only if you are very rich. Rio has a lot of avarage and some even disgracefull strippers (fat asses) , but you also can find very nice girls for takeout if you are lucky. Type of girls that impossible for us to take out in USA. I agree, those nice girls are minority in Rio, but indeed I saw some very nice girls there, not lesser quality than USA (ukrainian and Russian origin) strippers. But all in all rhino section has the best quality (most strippers are hot) , but no takeout policy unfortunatelly there.
If you are wiling to pay 200 USD or Euros or more, you can do from the comfort of your own home city. Yes, with a little effort, you get GFE from very beautiful ladies. Just check the boards of your home city before making the journey to Kiev.
I have never paid more than 100 USD per "hour" that sometimes got expended into a whole night. I have definitely had had a few bad experiences, but most of the time I got memories that will last a lifetime. This includes threesomes, emotional connections,"friendships" and just mind-blowing sex that will keep me going back for as long as I can.
The only people that should be bragging about their Kiev exploits are those who manage to spend under 100 USD for a perfect GFE with a multiorgasmic fantasy young woman, the type that you only see on the tv screen elsewhere in the world.
You do not need game, or or a Rolex or a suit, you just need to be firm and have a little money on your pocket. After she agrees, THEN it is up to you to make it a memorable experience for both you and her. And if you do, she will come back for more.
The rest are just driving up the prices.
Please give us information about Club Photo. Where is this club?
Thank you!Cafe Photo in Sao Paulo. One of the glamiest "boite" (ie fine etablishment where to find pros) in town, all girls 8+ and up (no blacks or mulatas, just blondes or white-skinned brunettes). I confirm the prices, but that was when the Real was at 4 for 1 €, and before the outrageous increase of cost of life whose Brasil suffers since a few years, and which has priced the whole country totally out of the market.
This Kiev Report is becoming more and more stupid. Too many people sitting at home on their sofas and writing reports because they have been once or twice or may be even 10 times to Russia, Ukraine or alike. They think they know but they know nothing. I'm not interested in discussions and wrong facts.Many people here think (and they are right IMO) that scoring freebies or occasionals is what FSU is all about, and those people don't care much about mere lists and facts about prostitution. As usual, to each its own.
BBC TV showed a disturbing Documentary"Panorama" last night about Violence and Racist & Anti Jewish chants +the vile Monkey Chants. Both in Ukraine And Poland.
Asian students were beaten up and the Police did nothing about it.
In Krakow Poland Less than 30 miles from Auschwitz, they were chanting Kill The Jews.
England Football fans would be so tame compared to the above lot.
I hate to think what would happen if as I hope England would win against both Ukraine and Poland.
And if were a Pole living in London, I would hope for an England Win as well.
.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18192375.
Bbc. Co. Uk / panorama.
Mongers and football fans of Dark colors, or Jewish Looking, need to take extra care.
AColonizer
05-29-12, 16:22
I add "how to get the maximum performances for the minimum prices".
This Kiev Report is becoming more and more stupid. Too many people sitting at home on their sofas and writing reports because they have been once or twice or may be even 10 times to Russia, Ukraine or alike. They think they know but they know nothing. I have been to Russia and Ukraine about 200 times for the last 10 years and I say I am NOT an expert in this! Everbody has his own requirements (expensive or cheap, beautiful or average, easy or hard to get, style, etc.). I'm not interested in discussions and wrong facts, so why don't we open a new one only for facts! Listings of webpages, clubs, strip clubs, massage salons, public areas etc with some helpful information. ONLY facts about it and everyone can make his own picture whether he likes or not.
Many people here think (and they are right IMO) that scoring freebies or occasionals is what FSU is all about, and those people don't care much about mere lists and facts about prostitution. As usual, to each its own.I second that! Sometimes you do know what you are talking about. (smile)
BBC TV showed a disturbing Documentary"Panorama" last night about Violence and Racist & Anti Jewish chants +the vile Monkey Chants. Both in Ukraine And Poland.
Asian students were beaten up and the Police did nothing about it.
In Krakow Poland Less than 30 miles from Auschwitz, they were chanting Kill The Jews.
England Football fans would be so tame compared to the above lot.
I hate to think what would happen if as I hope England would win against both Ukraine and Poland.
And if were a Pole living in London, I would hope for an England Win as well.
.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18192375.
Bbc. Co. Uk / panorama.
Mongers and football fans of Dark colors, or Jewish Looking, need to take extra care.Here is a link on it on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z93iQgI3_Iw
I second that! Sometimes you do know what you are talking about. (smile)Admittedly I get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times. (wink)
I second that! Sometimes you do know what you are talking about. (smile)Climax. I also second what you seconded above. Had I known that Prosal was unattached, then I wouldn't have questioned even his Tashkent experiences.
Where have you been man. You started some of this shit, then you left me 2 deal with the fallout.
BTW, How is Chicago "The Windy City " LOL. .
You still Got to have a Spaghetti at Barbeques there. LOL.
I Know, The Answer My Friend is Blowing In The Wind, LOL.
How much I love the Kiev thread, now we have a (Nice Guy From Jersey) on Board.
Cheers
To dumb ass, aka Cruiser D.
If you know anything about NJ, you would know, certified union plumbers in NJ makes more money than average Medical Doctors.CD,
Can't complain its off topic here. He started the talk about NJ PLumbers in hie relpy.
Here "Are you the one who left the NJ pipefitters union sticker inside the Arena Beer Pub men's bathroom?".
Same thing in the UK, and especially in LONDON.
Some Lawyers, Bankers are trainning to get certified as Plumbers.
They make loads of money, much more than other occupations.
Charlie Mullins the richest Plumber in the UK. Turnover last year £13 million as boss of Pimlico Plumbers.
CD. Seems to keep getting his Knickers in the twist. He Can't get it right even about how much Plumbers make.
This Kiev Report is becoming more and more stupid. Too many people sitting at home on their sofas and writing reports because they have been once or twice or may be even 10 times to Russia, Ukraine or alike. They think they know but they know nothing. I have been to Russia and Ukraine about 200 times for the last 10 years and I say I am NOT an expert in this! Everbody has his own requirements (expensive or cheap, beautiful or average, easy or hard to get, style, etc.). I'm not interested in discussions and wrong facts, so why don't we open a new one only for facts! Listings of webpages, clubs, strip clubs, massage salons, public areas etc with some helpful information. ONLY facts about it and everyone can make his own picture whether he likes or not.Kirch, what is equally stupid is this post of yours. In your own words, you say that you have been to Kiev and Russia 200 times over the last 10 years. You have been an ISG member at least since your first post in March 2009 yet NONE of your posts are what you now complain about, namely full and accurate information.
Almost all of your posts are useless requests for help and information despite your claim of being a frequent and active visitor. It is a bit odd to me that someone supposedly so experienced needs everyone to hold his hand and asks for so much help, even for a taxi driver who probably had his phone shut off for a day or so!
One of your posts even complained that it was too hard for you to read through all the posts to get the information you want. What's the matter, reading is too difficult for you?
When will YOU, the self-proclaimed very frequent visitor, start posting real information and facts from what is your treasure trove of information and experience, not just here but also in the Russia section?
Or are you lying about these visits of yours from the comfort of your sofa in Germany?
JerseyGuy123
05-29-12, 19:17
Ah yes, one of the reasons why I like NJ. .
The hot dancers in Kiev are at the Rhino clubs. Those girls are smokin' but there is a no take out policy. Between that and the cost being the same or more, might as well stay in NJ, eh?
And yes, the average American does make much more money than the average Ukrainian but you'll never see an average Ukrainian inside Rio. But yes, there is a decent sized (not large by any means) class of Ukrainians and Russians who have money.
Are you the one who left the NJ pipefitters union sticker inside the Arena Beer Pub men's bathroom?Hey Cruiser D,
What do you know about NJ? Your stupid comments regarding NJ pipe fitters just tells me, you are a obnoxious Jerk. License NJ union plumber makes almost much as Medical doctors in the state. I noticed every time some one makes a comments you attack them, instead of giving some good useful informations to a newbie. I only been to Kiev once and I gave my opinion, and no I like NJ clubs, but I also like to travel to experience new city to have fun. I don't need some arrogant jerk, who thinks he is Jean Simmons and claims he has over 1, 200 numbers to brag about it. Well I guess I could also could get 1, 200 numbers in my phone, if I asked every Skanky working girls in Kiev too, during my 3 days of short stay in that city, instead of looking for 8s and 9s. I might not have gotten exactly what I expected, but I still had a blast in Club Rio, and you don't like that club that's too bad. I was in Kiev for only short time so I wasn't able to check out every clubs for comparison.
By the way, I make well over six figures and I like spending money on hot girls, all over the world. I don't mine spending lot's of money, long as I'm having a good time and yes I'm don't know hardly anything about Kiev, but from going to strip clubs in NJ and seeing all the hot Ukrainian stripper dancers, I want to see them in their own country, also to revisit FKK in Germany.
Jerseyguy
I add "how to get the maximum performances for the minimum prices".Perhaps you will finally explain to all your fans on this thread what is involved in such a negotiation? How to do it? What to say? Perhaps describe in detail the conversation and illustrate the approach you use to get to where you want to with the girl? At what point do you see it's of no use and reject the girl? What are signs you look for that indicate to you a girl will be flexible and provide "advanced" services? Give us some details that might be helpful in a negotiation. As many times as you've written about how lame it is to not get full services, you never explained how to do it your way, to get different results. Not that everyone is into everything that you are interested, but at least most guys are into getting BBBJ, and I think that you might have something to say on this point, since the same tactics and approach you use for getting even more advanced services, might help others in knowing how to handle the negotiations better regarding basic GFE services. So how about it? Would you care to explain more about your negotiations tactics and approach, and illustrate with some examples, that could serve as a guide? It would seem that you are one of those mongers best equipped to address this very point.
LJ
Did one of our fellow members here meet this blondi? I am not sure if she is real. The communication with her is strange!
http://flirt.com.ua/blondi1810
Maybe someone has her private details or experience with her? She looks "wow".I guess I know her. She is a dancer from Rio. Her name at Rio is Vicca. I toke her out two weeks ago. Nothing to write home about just average service. Coverd BJ but you can fuck her as much a you like and she got pretty wet. She stay whole 3 hours.
Cheers!
If you are wiling to pay 200 USD or Euros or more, you can do from the comfort of your own home city. Yes, with a little effort, you get GFE from very beautiful ladies. Just check the boards of your home city before making the journey to Kiev.
I have never paid more than 100 USD per "hour" that sometimes got expended into a whole night. I have definitely had had a few bad experiences, but most of the time I got memories that will last a lifetime. This includes threesomes, emotional connections,"friendships" and just mind-blowing sex that will keep me going back for as long as I can.
The only people that should be bragging about their Kiev exploits are those who manage to spend under 100 USD for a perfect GFE with a multiorgasmic fantasy young woman, the type that you only see on the tv screen elsewhere in the world.
You do not need game, or or a Rolex or a suit, you just need to be firm and have a little money on your pocket. After she agrees, THEN it is up to you to make it a memorable experience for both you and her. And if you do, she will come back for more.
The rest are just driving up the prices.100 an hour is the magic number in Kiev. The problem with many first time tourists is they have a problem accessing the talent and end up over paying with the easy go to options. I recently read a post here about rich Ukranians messing everything up. This is completely untrue. I was in Kiev and I did not see any rich Ukranians. Its not like Moscow where rich Russians are all over the place and very visible. You have to realize that once we arrived into the year 2005 a lot of Ukranian men were able to find some form of employment and they became more attractive to there women as opposed to foreigners. If a Ukranian has real money, he will not need any prostitutes, he will go out and get the young fresh stuff that we can't get. There is no reason for him to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) money away on a girl when he holds all the cards. The point is Ukraine is a poor place with cheap pussy but it takes a bit of work and knowledge to access.
Where have you been man. You started some of this shit, then you left me 2 deal with the fallout.Just no interest in arguing.
BTW, How is Chicago "The Windy City " LOL.
CheersShitty! I can't get laid here anymore. You and all your countrymen stole all of my fresh off the boat EE girls. Fortunately, I am also an EU citizen and I am seriously thinking about moving to your territory. Maybe soon we can troll together for some nice Polish or Lith girls.
Climax, you never see rich Ukrainians in Kyiv because you never leave the tourist spots. Not to mention you wouldn't know where find these places.
To the NJ plumber and Jojo. I can only assume English is a second language for both of you, or that at least your reading comprehension is very poor. The last two pages of postings have been meaningless. Keep up the good work.
Member #4491
05-30-12, 01:20
Perhaps you will finally explain to all your fans on this thread what is involved in such a negotiation? How to do it? What to say? Perhaps describe in detail the conversation and illustrate the approach you use to get to where you want to with the girl? At what point do you see it's of no use and reject the girl? What are signs you look for that indicate to you a girl will be flexible and provide "advanced" services?LOL. LilJoey has humor. Yes, I would also like to get some killer punch lines that will make the girls [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on the bed when I fuck them doggie. I will try anything twice and that would be a first. Was offered this treatment from a local black babe on Curacao (not Campo) but I chickened out.
What are your experiences with anal sex in Ukraine? Is it common that the semi pros and "girlfriends" do it? Cruiser D, you old prick what do you say? It is OK to be unfriendly when you reply, as long as you give some facts on this. I know that you know, or at least have some sort of statistics on this (the Android app named Analometer is a huge success in Brazil). Is it considered a perverted request from a sick man or do the devuschkas harbor secret dreams of getting royally pounded in the ass?
B.
Climax, you never see rich Ukrainians in Kyiv because you never leave the tourist spots. Not to mention you wouldn't know where find these places.Yeah, but they are so few. Its so obvious that they have a shitty business environment that will take many years to change. That is a good thing.
At about 12:30 Am on Tuesday May 22nd. 2012, I went to Shooters club. I arrived with a taxi and I noticed there were a few girls waiting outside to get in. I was shown unusual respect and courtesy by all the staff at shooters. Security wished me a good evening and the doorman opened the club door and invited me to go in. There is a100 UAH fee to get in and you are given a juice can and a receipt to get either whisky or vodka from the bar inside. I missed the KASSA sign and the hostess sweetly led me to the window to pay. The disco is not large and is terribly crowded. It was previously reported that the bar is owned by some Scottish folks but I have on good authority that it is now owned by a Turkish man called Ozzy! Certainly, our Turkish\Middle Eastern friends appeared to be well represnted in the Disco on this evening. The place if full of young, mostly beautiful girls dressed to impress but perhaps not the most appropriate place for a man of my age. Nevertheless, I tried to engage two different girls in dance and conversation who appeared unattended only to be ignored. I went upstairs to the resturant which I understand has good food but I was not hungry and I also went to the bar downstairs which was mostly empty. I had a beer and was also given a choice of vodka or whiskey. I suggest you go with the whiskey; the Vodka, I did not like. The beer which I paid for appeared to be rather less expensive than other clubs. There are many things I do not get about this club- I am sure that is a function of me being uninformed mostly. There is face control but I saw many girls and boys dressed in Jeans inside. In general, I did not get the fuss about this club. What distinguishes this club for some members, I can not tell.Here is a report by a newbie indicating it was not easy for him to locate Working Girls at Shooters, let alone take a very hot girl home from that club for $200/2 hours or less money.
There has been no reporting of substance on the topic of scoring with very hot (8 level and above) p4p women in the regular nightclub scene of Places like Shooters and D'lux etc. For low prices of under $200 for 2 or more hours.
There has merely been the bald assertion that it is possible.
There are no action reports substantiating this, or describing in detail how to recognize the WG's in the clubs, and what strategy or tactics to use in approaching them, negotiating services with them, and carefully choosing from among them to select one that will be a GFE experience, rather than a disaster user ***** who will cheat you and leave. Virtually nothing to help guide newbies in this area has been posted.
And then I read a report like Poker Player's report, and I see that it may not be so easy as claimed.
To Those of you who are proponents of mongering in the regular nightclubs and claim to have successfully done so, and who have recently been in Kiev. You have not served members like Poker Phayer well. You have withheld guidance that is obviously sorely needed. It is not sufficient for you to sit back and say that you can't help newbie mongers who are clueless or who have no game. This is not chasing freebies. We're talking about p4p WG's. If guys like Poker Player are left to fail miserably when going to a regular nightclub, it's the fault of those veterans who are experienced in this area who failed to post the necessary guidance.
Kirsch too, in his recent action report a few pages back reported taking a driver and hitting the regular clubs, with No reported success, and he is not a newbie.
I reserve judgment on the truth of the claim that the prices of hot girls in the regular clubs have come down to $200/2hrs or lower, because I am not in Kiev and will not be for some time, and I will pursue the truth during my next trip in September / October.
But I don't think I am remiss in asking those of you who have been in Kiev and went to the regular nightclubs seeking p4p with very hot girls, to post your action reports, which will enhance this thread.
Otherwise, newbies coming to Kiev will have nothing to expect from the regular nightclubs other than an experience like newbie Poker Player.
With respect,
LJ
DoctorOral
05-30-12, 09:56
Do you happen to have her number, Horst?
I guess I know her. She is a dancer from Rio. Her name at Rio is Vicca. I toke her out two weeks ago. Nothing to write home about just average service. Coverd BJ but you can fuck her as much a you like and she got pretty wet. She stay whole 3 hours.
Cheers!
Here is a report by a newbie indicating it was not easy for him to locate Working Girls at Shooters, let alone take a very hot girl home from that club for $200/2 hours or less money.
There has been no reporting of substance on the topic of scoring with very hot (8 level and above) p4p women in the regular nightclub scene of Places like Shooters and D'lux etc. For low prices of under $200 for 2 or more hours.
There has merely been the bald assertion that it is possible.
There are no action reports substantiating this, or describing in detail how to recognize the WG's in the clubs, and what strategy or tactics to use in approaching them, negotiating services with them, and carefully choosing from among them to select one that will be a GFE experience, rather than a disaster user * who will cheat you and leave. Virtually nothing to help guide newbies in this area has been posted.
And then I read a report like Poker Player's report, and I see that it may not be so easy as claimed.
To Those of you who are proponents of mongering in the regular nightclubs and claim to have successfully done so, and who have recently been in Kiev. You have not served members like Poker Phayer well. You have withheld guidance that is obviously sorely needed. It is not sufficient for you to sit back and say that you can't help newbie mongers who are clueless or who have no game. This is not chasing freebies. We're talking about p4p WG's. If guys like Poker Player are left to fail miserably when going to a regular nightclub, it's the fault of those veterans who are experienced in this area who failed to post the necessary guidance.
Kirsch too, in his recent action report a few pages back reported taking a driver and hitting the regular clubs, with No reported success, and he is not a newbie.
I reserve judgment on the truth of the claim that the prices of hot girls in the regular clubs have come down to $200/2hrs or lower, because I am not in Kiev and will not be for some time, and I will pursue the truth during my next trip in September / October.
But I don't think I am remiss in asking those of you who have been in Kiev and went to the regular nightclubs seeking p4p with very hot girls, to post your action reports, which will enhance this thread.
Otherwise, newbies coming to Kiev will have nothing to expect from the regular nightclubs other than an experience like newbie Poker Player.
With respect,
LJLiljoey,
With all due respect to you for you putting the time and effort into writing the above post.
Why don't you just come up with it, and name names. Re the hotties for US$200.
You know it andi Know it and so does everyone here, it was only Cruiser Bragger who posted that he gets them.
So really you should have addressed the above to him.
He grilled you about Rio, your turn to cross examine his wild High School kind of bragging about his exploits in KIEV.
Member #4491
05-30-12, 14:11
There are no action reports substantiating this, or describing in detail how to recognize the WG's in the clubs, and what strategy or tactics to use in approaching them, negotiating services with them, and carefully choosing from among them to select one that will be a GFE experience, rather than a disaster user ***** who will cheat you and leave. Virtually nothing to help guide newbies in this area has been posted.LJ, you forgot to mention INSERT_NAME_OF_UNMENTIONABLE_AND OVER_PRICED_STRP_JOINT. And IF you are ALL of these users, this is quite an elaborate scheme. LOL. I am just teasing you.
I was in Vodka Bar and Shooters and the only thing missing from many wgs was a green sign around the neck stating the price. I did not pursuit these but focused on girls with a red sign that I suspected could become yellow by utilizing some Barba charm. This was at least the plan until I reached the stage where I focused only on the vodka and how good it was to have found new ISG buddies. The "you are my new best friend"-stage that makes us men blush the next day. The next day I, apart from blushing, fucked a girl in my apartment (and her ass) who was on Vodka bar. Far from a 10 when her yellow teeth was turned towards me but I asked and she told me that most girls that where working on Vodka bar would settle for around 100 USD or less, and that I should just go up and talk to them.
So despite my limited experience of Kiev in specific, my tip to you LJ (or the illusive newbies we like to use to motivate whatever we do here) is not try to "recognize them" but to talk to them. All of them, one after another. Smile and ask "are you a girl that like some fun or are you more the conservative type that likes a long term relationship with a man?". I imagine the rest is not so different from how one would go about it in a setting where the need for this this initial differentiator question is eliminated. This is in fact like two different approaches to life. Some salmons stay in the river, others go out in the ocean.
Good luck in exploring new and fun grounds where you do not only hunt lions that are sedated and placed on the savanna the night before you arrive with your sperm-gun. I will visit the unmentionable club some time for sure, so see this post as an attempt to motivate also short term visitors to go about Kiev just like any other city. To talk with a female there is absolutely not harder than any other city. If you are incapable of talking to unsedated females, I suggest you sedate yourself with some vodka instead. Better to get up on the horse a bit drunk, than to walk all your life.
B.
Climax, you never see rich Ukrainians in Kyiv because you never leave the tourist spots. Not to mention you wouldn't know where find these places.
To the NJ plumber and Jojo. I can only assume English is a second language for both of you, or that at least your reading comprehension is very poor. The last two pages of postings have been meaningless. Keep up the good work.I am going to send you one of the Top Pimlico Plumbers in London to fix your leaking Back Pipes to stop the kind if drivel and BS that you started posting here, when you made your reappearnce and opened the Can Of Worms here.
Or do you prefer a Jersey Gas Pipe Fitter?
Rather then reply in a coherent way, you throw personal insults around and punching below the belt, because you have been exposed as lacking in substance. .
I am the first one here to apologize, if I am wrong on something. And I have done it.
But you sre so arrogant with a big bragging mouth, that you think its cool being one.
My first language is SIGN Language, and if we were linked via video (Like Now) , we wouldn't have got lost in translation.
Your contribution on here so far.
1 An Apartment list that you did for Bez like 5 years ago.
2. Now you have 1800 girls on your Android Phone.
3. You got the details of one club wrong, and when you were corrected by other members, you did a runner.
4. You criticize (Me and You) quality of pictures on the photos thread. And when he tells you to post yours, you respond that you respect the Privacy of your girls.
Privacy of your Hookers on the Android's list. Again My Fucking Foot.
That's all. .
I guess Muddy 7 was the one who read you out very well here calling you "A Clown ", so much so that you did another runner from him.
Just no interest in arguing.
Shitty! I can't get laid here anymore. You and all your countrymen stole all of my fresh off the boat EE girls. Fortunately, I am also an EU citizen and I am seriously thinking about moving to your territory. Maybe soon we can troll together for some nice Polish or Lith girls.. Climax Yeah get your Ass over here ASP. WE don't need to troll for Polish Girls in London.
They are like 7/11 Grocery shops on most corners. .
Lithuanians are on the East Side of town. Never mongered there down Muggers Boulevards. Also. Its too risky now, with the cops doing a lot of raids there in the build up to the Olympics.
BTW, Unlike Chicago, in London you can't have a Spagetti at Barbeques.
Isn't it great now to be a Dual Citizen on both sides of the Atlantic.
No need to stand in Long lines waiting to be let in, especially at Heathrow airport.
CD and other Non EU citizens. Can stand there for up to 2 hours waiting to be let in, which is BTW not guaranteed.
Then unlike here, he can't duck any questions thrown at him by a stern UK Border Agency offical. And if they find him too Cocky or evasive, then back on the plane.
Would love to see the Sight then.
AColonizer
05-30-12, 17:36
It is five years I have already described several detailed reports about everything men need. And I repeat the same things. Men should study methods and experiences by past reports. There is no worst blind person than who doesn't want to see. I understand your mood. Unfortunately there is no better solution: practice bastardy, practice bastardy, practice bastardy.
"at least most guys are into getting BBBJ" it is clear you haven't read any words of my reports.
Perhaps you will finally explain to all your fans on this thread what is involved in such a negotiation? How to do it? What to say? Perhaps describe in detail the conversation and illustrate the approach you use to get to where you want to with the girl? At what point do you see it's of no use and reject the girl? What are signs you look for that indicate to you a girl will be flexible and provide "advanced" services? Give us some details that might be helpful in a negotiation. As many times as you've written about how lame it is to not get full services, you never explained how to do it your way, to get different results. Not that everyone is into everything that you are interested, but at least most guys are into getting BBBJ, and I think that you might have something to say on this point, since the same tactics and approach you use for getting even more advanced services, might help others in knowing how to handle the negotiations better regarding basic GFE services. So how about it? Would you care to explain more about your negotiations tactics and approach, and illustrate with some examples, that could serve as a guide? It would seem that you are one of those mongers best equipped to address this very point.
LJ
Admittedly I get drunk and post shit of questionable relevancy at times. (wink)Your posts even when you are drunk, are much more relevant when compared to a lot of crap info that we have been subjected to lately.
So finally they open the old "new" Mandarin Boat at the River Dnipro. Address for the Taxi driver is Prospekt Moskovasky 32. But this is about 100 meter before the river, so just tell the Taxi driver to drive further and you will see a huge Boat. On the left part of the boat is a disco, when we got there it was quite early but crowded. But not so many nice girls. At the time we left the Strip Club it was really crowded outside and I saw many hotties! Have to check that out another time.
So o the right part of the boat is the Strip Club http://www.mandarin-restaurant.kiev.ua/eng.html
Prices are the same BUT the kitchen is NOT good. Avoid the food! May be they work on that, the club opened about a couple of days ago. May be this is the reason why there are not many guests. What is very nice beacause on the other hand you have lots of beautiful girls! I saw some familar girls like Nina (Jesus! I want here but she is only doing private dances). Even some waitresses are the same and Mark and Sergey (Managers) work there too. The concept is different to Rio. They have Live Music for every song the girls dance to. About 6 singers, some of them are nice. And in addition every fifth song they have around 8 sexy dancers with coreography. BUT it is way too loud! It's hard to have a conversation, I told already Mark and Sergej but I don't think they change it.
I was there one more time on my own and had a girl sitting at my table and one of the singers. We chatted like hell and it was Monday morning around 3:00 am. All the sudden I noticed that I was the only guest there! Still all the dancers danced, all the waitresses worked and the singers sang. Strange, just for me, one guest. I left with the girl so they could finished work.
It's good right now to go there if you don't like crowded places. May be it changes fast. Who knows. It's about 15 minutes outside of City Center. So here's some advice. Go to Rio, have some drinks there and then you ask a manager that you heard about Manadarin and if they offer a transfer. It worked for us and we got a taxi there for free. But the way back you have to pay for it. So have a Taxinumber with you because the taxi drivers there want something about 100-150 griwna!
I always suffered from waiting until dark to have some action without work. I always were told to go to the massage places but never did. So I tried Salon Dolly.
http://www.salondolly.com/
Some posts about this place here on the forum, so just a little update.
Another buddy from this forum showed us the place. Coming from Kreshatik you go up Bogdana Khmelnitsgogo and then first street to left into Pushskinskaja Street. About 50 meters on the right side (between 2 restaurants with terrace) you go right through a tunnel in the backyard. Straight into the first house on the 2nd floor (which is 1st floor in Germany).
There were about 4-5 girls form average to cute girls. May be 6-8. Some dark haired some blond. My buddy decided for a short blond one (don't remember the name). He told me she was fantastic. I decided for Nastia! 23 years old, very cute face and an 8 body from Odessa. Her massage was great as well as the happy ending. Called her after this experience about 3 times to my apartment! They charge 350 griwna for 1 hr massage and happy ending. 450 griwna with kissing, but just forget about it, they just kiss your buddy and nothing more. Not worth it in my experience. For outcall it was the same price + 60 griwna for taxi. I was there today and Nastia had a day off so I decided for Olja. The same type of girl. Skinny, cute face and in the beginning of 20. Her massage was not good at all but the finishing even better then from Nastia.
I think it's a good thing to go there before night time.
Cruiser D,
Your IQ must be really low because you still don't get it.
Can a mod ban this clown? It seems he is only here to fight with postersOf course CD only repeats his Mantra in response to the above, that Muddy's first language ain't English either.
Being jubilee year in the UK, you should go down on your knees in Front of the British Embassy in DC and thank the Queen and her subjects for the Language that you are speaking now albeit with Few Cock Ups slipping through your tongue.
Cruiser D is getting awfully close to serial antagonist territory. He may well have some knowledge but mostly just seems to be ragging on others.
AMMore damning evidene on someone with useless posts.
I told earlier in this forum that I don't believe in Mamba because you have 1 out of 10 with a good experience. So for me (having limited time here) a waste of time. But I want to learn and got some contacts from another buddy here on ISG and I tried to contact them all in 2 days. About half of them answered. As always you have some that answer straight away giving you price and idea where to start with dinner. Some of them seemed not to be so professional so I had to work a little bit with concersation but in the end it was the same. Commercial interest $$$. I met 3 of them for coffee or dinner to check out if there is chemistry to invest between USD 80 for one hour until USD 500 for one night. They were really hot (actually way better in real then on those stupid mamba photos) but not one got my attention. I realized in 12 years beeing in Russia, Ukraine, Letvia, etc. That the girls who speak English are not only professional in their second language. For my taste they are too artificial. So I spent another 2 days in searching for girls looking ONLY for "friendshhip" on mamba. Of course only the nice onces with English skills. I just wrote them that I'm here for business and don't look for sex, just for some nice things like coffee, dinner, walks, etc. Haha. It was funny, in the end the same game but not so obvious. I had some dates, spent some money for lunch, coffee and dinner. And like always they liked the date and want to meet again. So let me say, the same game like with girls in Germany but you have to spend more money. And in the end you don't know if it works out. LOL.
So, no new experience. For me it's only one reason I come here. I do business and spend some additional days for fun. For me places like Rio, Mandarin, Buddha Bar or Deluxe are the right places. And in addition it's the entire package! It's a nice city with nice people and I have found some friends here I have a great time with. All the other mongers looking for cheap quick sex with BEAUTIFUL girls, forget about Kiev! Going to Shooters or Vodka Bar and trying to get a one night stand with an average girl, it's another story. May be it works for some of those men here on ISG beeing VERY attractiv and young. I don't know.
In Germany we have those great FKK Clubs and other things where you can have some great fun not spending so much money. So I repeat myself. It's up to you what you want. But only coming here for that reason it's not worth it.
One story at the end. I have met a girl here one year ago. She is working at a strip club. I won't say which club, it's not RIO. She is really nice and didn't believe me I like her. I spend every time I am here some time with her and she finally falled in love with me. Or whatever it is. I don't pay money anymore and we have a great time. We order pizza from mamamia and she pays for the taxi when we go some where. It's possible but you have to be patiended. She is a beautiful girl, her English is very good, she is not arrogant and doesn't have a voice like Peggy Simpson. She really studied and has a different view on Ukraine like other girls. But 2 cultures crashing togehter. Unfortunately it won't work because we live in 2 different worlds.
Do you happen to have her number, Horst?Sorry buddy, no number. As the action wasen't that hot I did not ask for her number but I am still pretty sure that she is a girl from club Rio.
Cheers!
Liljoey,
With all due respect to you for you putting the time and effort into writing the above post.
Why don't you just come up with it, and name names. Re the hotties for US$200.
You know it andi Know it and so does everyone here, it was only Cruiser Bragger who posted that he gets them.
So really you should have addressed the above to him.
He grilled you about Rio, your turn to cross examine his wild High School kind of bragging about his exploits in KIEV.I don't need to grill anyone. Those who can enhance the thread by giving action reports showing in detail where to go, how to seek out or spot WG's, how to approach, how to speak, what to say, etc. Should do so, because it seems otherwise, newbies cannot easily succeed in the regular nightclubs.
Jojo, my impression of Cruiser D is that, while maybe a bit boastful and ascerbic, he is not a deliberate liar, and therefore I chose to believe him about the prices in the regular nightclubs having gone down to the prices he was quoting of $200/2hrs or less for a 8+ hottie. Yes, I believed Cruiser D despite his unfriendly barbs in the past directed at my style of prose, and his dismissiveness toward the actual contribution I in fact made to this thread during the year 2011 when I began posting, which has received acknowledgement from many members (2011 was a crucial post RP year when guidance was sorely needed and when he and other veterans simply went AWOL and were not posting or responding to newbie questions or contributing at all).
The reason I chose to believe CD is that in this hobby we call mongering and on this forum which is supposed to be a helpful tool to those just getting their feet wet, I prefer to focus on discerning the facts and the truth. So I genuinely want to know what the facts actually are and what prices are possible. So, in part I want to believe him that the prices came down from the ridiculous prices of $500 and $400 I was getting quoted when I visited clubs in 2011, because I would like that to be the case, since it would make things more similar to the previous River Palace days, when P4p costs were more reasonable. And I part I believe him because firstly, it seemed that Hunter Dave regarded Cruiser D as a credible monger, and having met Hunter Dave and trusting him, I would give CD the benefit of the doubt, and accept what he is saying about the true prices, and secondly, Cruiser D is not the ONLY monger to have reported such low prices of $200/2hours or lower being possible in the nightclubs. Remember, there was a report by Me and You and some others, lending the claim credibility as well.
Thirdly, there is a logical inference to be made about the prices. It is based on the history of this debate. In 2011, I had concluded that if you didn't want to waste a lot of time sending home average and even above average mamba girls until a very hot 8+ beauty was accidentally sent to your apartment by the fake picture internet escort agencies, that you have to go to a venue where you can see what the girls look like in advance from the beginning, so you can focus your energies on trying to get the most beautiful girl available for P4P. This meant mongering in nightclubs and strip clubs or shopping malls or the street. There were no shopping malls or streets that I knew of that had a high concentration of Working Girls, so that meant it was best to focus on the nightclubs and strip clubs for p4p.
In the days of River Palace when I was there in 2009 and 2010, it had been possible to get a fairly hot looking girl for $200/2hours if one was good at negotiating and one was prepared to play the waiting game and see if the beauty would come down in her price as the night wore on and the prospects grew thinner. Sometimes it was the guy who caved in because the girl was just too beautiful to lose and the guy went up to $300/2 hours, which was high, but not unbearably so for a really beautiful girl. Sometimes it was the girl who caved in and lowered her price. There were different angles to be played, such as taking numbers so as to meet the next afternoon at discounted rates, or asking for a quicker hour session at a lower price while the night was young, so the girl could get back to RP and still have a whole night there. During this period that a $200/2hrs price was possible, nobody was speaking about going to strip clubs and nobody was reporting going to strip clubs, because prices at strip clubs were higher.
Then the River Palace was towed away toward end of 2010, and it was a true mongering disaster. All of us visiting Kiev at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011 were thankful for the numbers we had stored in our telephones of RP girls we had liked and fucked on prior visits. And in addition to prior RP girls, I began to put more effort into top-modals. Com and other websites, as well as visit the recommended regular nightclubs looking for the groups of hot WG's that used to frequent the RP, to no avail. I was searching for guidance on where to get really hot p4p girls in Kiev on this thread during the period at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011, but there was nothing of substance posted.
So I experimented on my own with escort websites, went to nightclubs from time to time and continued to see my old RP girlfriends. Then out of boredom one time I decided to visit a strip club. At the time I actually had no idea that such a thing as "take out" was possible. So I saw a girl I liked and the manager asked if I want her to sit with me. I said yes but the girl didn't speak English So I bought her a drink. Then the manager suggested a private dance, which I did, and it was great. And then we came back to sit at my table and she say there, really pretty and with the biggest smile, but not saying anything. So I asked the manager,"what does she want from me?" His response was,"she wants you to take her home." "Really?" I said."That Is possible?" I asked."Yes, it Is possible for $300." I didn't bite that night, but the next night I returned to the strip club with the intent of finding the best looking dancer I could find and taking her home with me if possible. And so my education began.
Compared to the regular nightclubs where it was difficult to find a high concentration of hot WG's available for p4p in one spot, it was easy to go fishing in the strip club. And the prices too, were lower at the strip club ($300/3hrs) than what the really hot working girls at the nightclubs were asking ($400 and $500 and sometimes negotiable down to $300/2hrs). And so I lamented the loss of all the River Palace girls and the lack of direction in this thread about where to go and how to best monger in the post- River Palace era in my first post entitled something like "where have all the river palace girls gone?".
Then I focused in on figuring out the way to get the best result at the lowest priced venue where you could see the girls in advance, which was the strip club. This premise that the strip club was the lowest priced venue for high level p4p girls that you could see in advance remained unchallenged in 2011. No one was posting different information about prices. Until about March of 2012 when a vehement opposition to the strip club option was espoused. It was claimed that the strip club was not the cheapest venue, and one should not go there and pay more, when the same or better results could be had in the regular nightclubs. This claim is either factually true or false.
But I took note of the vehemence with which it is stated. Why would anyone lie about such a fact when the truth is easy to discover with time. It is this inference that leads me to assume that he is telling the truth about the prices being lower in the nightclubs and it being better to monger in the nightclubs than in the strip club. Why else the vehemence? It doesn't make sense. So my conclusion is that those who are saying that prices for P4p are lower in the regular nightclubs than in the strip club, really believe what they are saying. So I will give them the benefit of the doubt, until I arrive for my next visit and see for myself where the prices are cheaper and which venue makes it easier and more efficient to find what one is looking for.
All of us can puff a little or even exaggerate sometimes to make a point. If he is relying on his 1200 telephone nUmbers in any way to get girls it would. Of be a fair comparison to what a newbie can expect and can achieve, and this will become apparent over time. So the more mongers that go to the regular nightclubs and post action reports the clearer and more detailed a picture we will have. Let the truth be accepted from the one who says it, whoever he may be.
LJ
It is five years I have already described several detailed reports about everything men need. And I repeat the same things. Men should study methods and experiences by past reports. There is no worst blind person than who doesn't want to see. I understand your mood. Unfortunately there is no better solution: practice bastardy, practice bastardy, practice bastardy.
"at least most guys are into getting BBBJ" it is clear you haven't read any words of my reports.Acolonizer,
I've read everything you've written this year and last since beginning of 2011. And Of course I know you are interested in far more advanced services than a BBBJ. I thought that was apparent from what I wrote to you. What I was asking you to do was to describe the conversation you have with the girl. You say you did this already. How far back do I have to go? I know your bottom line opinion. I was asking for a play by play negotiation of the sort that could illustrate what to say for newbies. Saying "practice being a bastard" is only a summary. It doesn't show the way. If you haven't posted the more detailed type of report in the past two years, perhaps it's time to go into it in more detail again, or perhaps at least provide links to your older reports that you think are instructive.
I don't disagree to many postings here that the quality at Rio really suffered. For me I like the skinny ones so it was a shame to see what happend there. About 60% of the girls are L or XL (for my eyes). So today I went there just to meet a buddy and Manager Sergey told me to go to the basement because some new girls arrived. And it was nice to see that there were at least 3 new young skinny beautiful ones not having any experience. I asked for Ludmilla come to my table, she speaks some English but not good. I thought she is only doing private dances but as I asked her to come with me to my apartment she sayed yes. Unfortunately I was not able to take her out as I had other things to do. But at least good to know that I saw at least 6 new (nice) girls (the other ones upstairs). Just to let you know.
Ronaldinjo
05-31-12, 08:20
I don't disagree to many postings here that the quality at Rio really suffered. For me I like the skinny ones so it was a shame to see what happend there. About 60% of the girls are L or XL (for my eyes). So today I went there just to meet a buddy and Manager Sergey told me to go to the basement because some new girls arrived. And it was nice to see that there were at least 3 new young skinny beautiful ones not having any experience. I asked for Ludmilla come to my table, she speaks some English but not good. I thought she is only doing private dances but as I asked her to come with me to my apartment she sayed yes. Unfortunately I was not able to take her out as I had other things to do. But at least good to know that I saw at least 6 new (nice) girls (the other ones upstairs). Just to let you know.Kirch, could you write here all the hotties names you met in Rio and mandarin, and their attitude and if they are available for takeout or not. You can spik those ones that stay longer at your place in order not to make them troubles. Information can be very helpful.
Thank you
Hello, can anyone recommend any other apartment rentals besides Kiev apts? Fairly urgent. Thank you
http://www.ukr-apartments.kiev.ua/
I always book here. Ask for Taras or Veronika. Don't be shocked by the prices, when it comes to an offer it was always cheaper than posted on their webpage.
Hello, can anyone recommend any other apartment rentals besides Kiev apts? Fairly urgent. Thank you
Kiev girls love to order a pizza from mamamia and cuddle on the couch while watching a movie.
She pays for the taxi when you go somewhere? So wrong.
One story at the end. I have met a girl here one year ago. She is working at a strip club. I won't say which club, it's not RIO. She is really nice and didn't believe me I like her. I spend every time I am here some time with her and she finally falled in love with me. Or whatever it is. I don't pay money anymore and we have a great time. We order pizza from mamamia and she pays for the taxi when we go some where.
TBH, I should probably delete 600 numbers and add a new 600. :)BTW, how do you manage 1200 girls numbers on your smartphone?
I have barely 100 girls numbers and I already get lost among a good dozen of Tatianas, some 10 Ksenias, a big handfull of Evgenias, ect. I can't imagine how I could handle 12 x more.
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