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What does it mean for a first meeting? I western Europe I am always charming, opening the door, asking what the woman wants to eat and drink, listen to her, do not interrupt her, etc.
Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?Hi Mitchi,
Before you start with anything else. You didn't mention kissing her hand at your first meeting, looking straight into her eyes and in a sexy voice tell her.
"— after all, one must start somewhere" LOL.
I am into only young girls.
I've been here 6 days already, but I haven't found anything that excites me in the up to $100 range!
Only average looking girls next door types around this price range, usually short, small built, too thin, a bit overweight or big built, nothing comes close to standard model figure; so no sex for me yet.
If I have to shell out more than that or have sex with averaging looking girls, I might as well just stay home, where things are better and cheaper.
If I were a sex tourist here (which I am not) , I wouldn't have stayed, and would not come back because there are better pastures elsewhere.
Kiev this year is definitely worse than last year, price wise and quality wise, IMHO.
You may think you get a better deal because of the better exchange rate, but you are WRONG! The girls, especially the better looking ones quote prices in dollars or Euros, 100 $, 200 $.
Lots of agencies pretend to be girls, bait and switch. You've got to be really careful.
For people who want quick P 4 P, pros seem to be the only viable option this year unless you are into old be's, women in their 40's and up; so you might as well go elsewhere, where the pastures are greener.
Don't even mention all the scams that are going around as many have pointed out on this forum.
Think about it for a moment: Is it worth the time, money and the trouble to come here to Kiev for sex?
Good luck to you all. (Blink).
I fully agree. It is hard for us, given our background, to act that way. We have been taught to respect women too much. Whereas that might be necessary at the workplace or with strangers, but not when you are in a relationship, long or short. When you get to the bedroom, even more so, particularly for Eastern European Women. Western women are too brainwashed by feminism, and even if they enjoy the private time, might regret it the next day, or week, or year. Read up on the trial of Ghomeshi in Canada. The guy liked rough sex, and the girls liked it, until they talked with their girlfriends and reasserted their feminist ideals. Luckily, he persevered in court, but lost his job, and lost his status in society.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/jian-ghomeshi-judge-ruling-1.3504250
Anyway, back to Ukrainian girls, I never mistreat them, but I am decisive outside the bedroom and certainly dominant in the bedroom. It is the only way they will give you good sex. So, do not be rude, but do not be a pushover either. They actually appreciate a polite but forceful man; for them it is a break from the Ukrainian assholes they usually meet.
First, have backup plans in case it doesn't workout with this 39 year old woman. You don't want to be stranded in Kiev by yourself. Before you go, arrange for plan be, see, the,.
Second, don't pre pay her hotel room yet. Yon can book it, but don't pay for it yet.
Thirdly, take her for a walk, maybe to a cafe, you'll need to know that she's genuine before you take her to an expensive restaurant.
Locals guys wouldn't simply take some girls to expensive restaurants without first having a sponsorship deal. No sex, no expensive dinner!
Just because you can afford a nice dinner doesn't mean you should. If you do that in Ukraine without demanding sex in return, she'll lose all respect for you...
Kiev this year is definitely worse than last year, price wise and quality wise, IMHO.
You may think you get a better deal because of the better exchange rate, but you are WRONG! The girls, especially the better looking ones quote prices in dollars or Euros, 100 $, 200 $.
Lots of agencies pretend to be girls, bait and switch. You've got to be really careful.
For people who want quick P 4 P, pros seem to be the only viable option this year unless you are into old be's, women in their 40's and up; so you might as well go elsewhere, where the pastures are greener.
Don't even mention all the scams that are going around as many have pointed out on this forum.
Think about it for a moment: Is it worth the time, money and the trouble to come here to Kiev for sex?
Good luck to you all. (Blink).Yeah, sadly it's become a pervasive business model of throwing shit on the wall and hoping for something to stick by the agencies. Quality girls nowadays have enough local sponsorship opportunities by guys they might even like.
Anyway, back to Ukrainian girls, I never mistreat them, but I am decisive outside the bedroom and certainly dominant in the bedroom. It is the only way they will give you good sex. So, do not be rude, but do not be a pushover either. They actually appreciate a polite but forceful man; for them it is a break from the Ukrainian assholes they usually meet.Well summed up.
How do you guys broach the subject on here? I've put my settings to show that I'm willing to sponsor, but I'm not sure how to get concrete rates. Would anyone mind sharing their canned message?
Thanks.
Yeah, sadly it's become a pervasive business model of throwing shit on the wall and hoping for something to stick by the agencies. Quality girls nowadays have enough local sponsorship opportunities by guys they might even like.Riina is absolutely right about the fact that they "have enough local sponsorship opportunities". I notice that when I was there as you can see young girls with some younger boyfriends well dressed and good looking. What's the point to waste time with a foreigner that don't really understand them as well as their fellow countrymen and that will just stay there a few days or a few weeks. I've just seen my favorite one, that I got from mamba, a real pearl, well she has a new Ukrainian boyfriend. I am not sure she will be interested in meeting with me next time I am in Kiev.
Furthermore don't forget that nearly nobody in Ukraine is impressed if you come from the USA or Western Europe, that was the case 20 years ago, but time changes.
First, have backup plans in case it doesn't workout with this 39 year old woman. You don't want to be stranded in Kiev by yourself. Before you go, arrange for plan be, see, the,.
Second, don't pre pay her hotel room yet. Yon can book it, but don't pay for it yet.
Thirdly, take her for a walk, maybe to a cafe, you'll need to know that she's genuine before you take her to an expensive restaurant.
Locals guys wouldn't simply take some girls to expensive restaurants without first having a sponsorship deal. No sex, no expensive dinner!
Just because you can afford a nice dinner doesn't mean you should. If you do that in Ukraine without demanding sex in return, she'll lose all respect for you.
It's a fucked up mentality I know. But you need to play hard ball with them. I learned it the hard way. Someone, I think it's Riina on the board says that if you accommodate them, you'll open yourself up for manipulation. Very well said. I'll also add that if you accommodate them, you'll bring out their worst behavior.
Treat them like dogs, if they lick your dick. Then you throw them a bone. If they don't play ball, kick them to the curb. Punish them. Now before anybody accuses me of being a *******, I can tell you I'm anything but. It's just the dynamics between local men and women. You must play hard ball with them. No mercy, make no exceptions. The only language they understand is strength.
And don't worry about offending them. Trust me, they're used to this treatment from local guys and expecting it from you. If you don't do it, they'll think you're a fool and will only try to extract money from you without fucking you.
Be tough, Michi! Now go score one for the team!Kiev-ODESSA adventure.
Thank's Jonathan for all these instructions. I may try it with a s l you t t why girl. The one from Kiev is a very very modest and humble girl and I just cannot do such things to her. She actually wants to find a man for getting married and create a family. She is also religious. That explains why she wanted to have her own hotel room. I booked the cheapest possible rooms for both of us, around 15 $ per night, so no big issue with that. And she tries hard to please me.
The said truth is that she does not sexually attract me. I do not want to have any sex with her and I do not even try it. She is not ugly, though. Really too bad, really. If I would want to find a honest and humble wife, she could be a good choice.
Nonetheless, what extremely pisses me off is the Russian / Ukrainian mindset. If you invite a girl to simething (e. G. The current situation: I invited her to come down from Kiev to Odessa) then it means that you pay for EVERYTHING! She does not even pay for the minibus or or diner. Nothing, absolutely nothing! TTF is this?! I feel discriminated. I must say, she says everytime "thank you" for diner etc (which another girl would not) and yet, paying small things by herself would be nice.
GENERAL ADVISE.
As I undrstand from Jonathan, a man (and in particular a monger) must be a jerk when he deals with Ukrainian / Russian girls, right? Another monger advised to treat a girl with respect. What does it mean in the end? When I see a gem on the street, I approach her, be very nice and highliy professional (e. G. "Hi, I just saw you at the other side of the street, may I ask you if. " then on the first meeting go for a walk and then decide where to go for diner. During the walk I will ask her directly "let's make a deal: I will invite you to restaurant xxx, but as a return, I expecxt you to come with me to my hotel to have sex! Can / should I ask such a question? In western culture I could never behave like that.
ADVICE 1 - Girl from Odessa.
I actually have a nice s l you t t why girl's number, telling her how beautiful she is and how much she confused me the other day on the street. At the time being she does "not know" if she wants to come for dinner on Sunday. Next steps from my side?
ADVICE 2 - Girl from Chisinau.
On my last visit in Chisinau I met a real gem in the bus. She has an beautiful face, sexy feet and AMAZING big (saggy / natural) tits, just amazing! And she is fluent in English. We have been exchanging Viper messages for a while. I told her that I will come to Odessa and that I want to meet with her. She never said "no" but she also never said "yes". She always said "nice", "I am happy*, "I will try" etc. Now, since I am here, I need to know what is fact. She told me today that she is in the process of divorce and that before end of October she does not want to date anyone "because she is a correct girl" On the same time she wrote me that it would be nice if I would come to visit her in October because it is her birthday. WTF is going on her? Finally, when I told her that I am in Odessa because of HER (and not beause of Odessa), she also wrote me that I don't have any reason to be angry now and I should have asked her and not simply planned. Though, she appreciates my gessture very much.
Next stept? Is there still a chance (to fuck her tits and to be a jerk) or should I give up? I know from experience that Moldovan girls are very hard to get and that a second or third visit often pays off.
Nonetheless, what extremely pisses me off is the Russian / Ukrainian mindset. If you invite a girl to simething (e. G. The current situation: I invited her to come down from Kiev to Odessa) then it means that you pay for EVERYTHING! She does not even pay for the minibus or or diner. Nothing, absolutely nothing! TTF is this?! I feel discriminated. I must say, she says everytime "thank you" for diner etc (which another girl would not) and yet, paying small things by herself would be nice.
That's normal in Ukraine and not only there. In many countries in South America and Asia, it works that way. However what you do with that girl from Kiev is more dating than mongering. That's why also many guys don't waste their time with dating. You can spend a lot and getting nothing at all. Use Mamba or call an escort. With some luck and lots of work, you might have a good time.
HugeDickMan
09-10-16, 13:09
Hello all, I will visit Kiev in a few months and I just want to fuck a beautiful 25 year old Or younger Ukrainian girl. I don't want dinner or nice conversation, or a long courting process and I also don't want to book an escort blindly. I want to walk into a club, see a lineup of girls, pick the hottest one, and fuck her onsite. I'd appreciate a list of 3-4 clubs where I can do that. Rather not take her to my hotel either but if I must then ok. Don't care about money.
Hello all, I will visit Kiev in a few months and I just want to fuck a beautiful 25 year old Or younger Ukrainian girl. I don't want dinner or nice conversation, or a long courting process and I also don't want to book an escort blindly. I want to walk into a club, see a lineup of girls, pick the hottest one, and fuck her onsite. I'd appreciate a list of 3-4 clubs where I can do that. Rather not take her to my hotel either but if I must then ok. Don't care about money.Then Kiev is not for you. Your best option is an FKK in Germany. This is exactly what you are looking for.
First, have backup plans in case it doesn't workout with this 39 year old woman. You don't want to be stranded in Kiev by yourself. Before you go, arrange for plan be, see, the,.
Second, don't pre pay her hotel room yet. Yon can book it, but don't pay for it yet.
Thirdly, take her for a walk, maybe to a cafe, you'll need to know that she's genuine before you take her to an expensive restaurant.
Locals guys wouldn't simply take some girls to expensive restaurants without first having a sponsorship deal. No sex, no expensive dinner!
Just because you can afford a nice dinner doesn't mean you should. If you do that in Ukraine without demanding sex in return, she'll lose all respect for you.
It's a fucked up mentality I know. But you need to play hard ball with them. I learned it the hard way. Someone, I think it's Riina on the board says that if you accommodate them, you'll open yourself up for manipulation. Very well said. I'll also add that if you accommodate them, you'll bring out their worst behavior.
Treat them like dogs, if they lick your dick. Then you throw them a bone. If they don't play ball, kick them to the curb. Punish them. Now before anybody accuses me of being a *******, I can tell you I'm anything but. It's just the dynamics between local men and women. You must play hard ball with them. No mercy, make no exceptions. The only language they understand is strength.
And don't worry about offending them. Trust me, they're used to this treatment from local guys and expecting it from you. If you don't do it, they'll think you're a fool and will only try to extract money from you without fucking you.
Be tough, Michi! Now go score one for the team!You are fucked up. You think like an accountant. No wonder that you have low returns on your efforts.
These girls are not meatholes. They are like any other girls all over the world.
Hello all, I will visit Kiev in a few months and I just want to fuck a beautiful 25 year old Or younger Ukrainian girl. I don't want dinner or nice conversation, or a long courting process and I also don't want to book an escort blindly. I want to walk into a club, see a lineup of girls, pick the hottest one, and fuck her onsite. I'd appreciate a list of 3-4 clubs where I can do that. Rather not take her to my hotel either but if I must then ok. Don't care about money.Bimbo Boy is right. You can cancel your trip.
Go to Holland, Germany, Spain, Austria or Switzerland, but forget about Kiev. Read a bit on this forum how is the situation here. No FKK and you get the adresses of apartments only after calling with someone that will answer to you in Russian or in English, it depends on the place.
Horny Monger
09-11-16, 11:15
Yeah, sadly it's become a pervasive business model of throwing shit on the wall and hoping for something to stick by the agencies. Quality girls nowadays have enough local sponsorship opportunities by guys they might even like.Hey! That's a funny description and sadly is very true!
Much better, cheaper and save more time elsewhere in EE or western Europe.
Also, in western Europe it's safer too. They have regular health check-up by authorities on these working girls.
GoldenGate
09-11-16, 19:06
Hey! That's a funny description and sadly is very true!
Much better, cheaper and save more time elsewhere in EE or western Europe.
Also, in western Europe it's safer too. They have regular health check-up by authorities on these working girls.Kiev is no problem with any thing, its safe and alot of girls to pick upp both pros and girls that want to make some extra money.
Kiev is big so you need to now were to go.
I'm going now again on Oktober, work and and drink with friends, been living in Kiev for 4 years.
Kiev is no problem with any thing, its safe and alot of girls to pick upp both pros and girls that want to make some extra money.
Kiev is big so you need to now were to go.
I'm going now again on Oktober, work and and drink with friends, been living in Kiev for 4 years.Horny Monger was not referring to "physical security", instead he referred to illnesses that the girls in Kiev may have. And I agree with him that in this aspect, it is safer in Europe.
"You need to know where to go"? - Well, such places are pure shit and to be avoided. I don't want to visit such uninviting places. Then I better visit more welcoming places, such as Donetsk, Mykolayev, Odessa, Lwow, etc "where I will see where to go".
Then I better visit more welcoming places, such as Donetsk...I wish you a long life in DONETSK. A real sunny, peaceful and friendly place.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-war-russia-rebels-donbass-luhansk-donetsk-pointless-ceaseless/
Russel4339
09-12-16, 09:49
I wish you a long life in DONETSK. A real sunny, peaceful and friendly place.
Maybe he was just referring to women from Donetsk (and Lugansk). Unfortunately, the conflict has driven a lot of nice young ladies from their homeland.
I wish you a long life in DONETSK. A real sunny, peaceful and friendly place...It was like that before the conflict. I had to leave just when I got to know the city with the help of local contacts.
Horny Monger
09-12-16, 15:15
"You need to know where to go"? - Well, such places are pure shit and to be avoided. I don't want to visit such uninviting places. Then I better visit more welcoming places, such as Donetsk, Mykolayev, Odessa, Lwow, etc "where I will see where to go".I agree with you.
I wouldn't want to visit such places either.
If anyone ends up visiting such uninviting places, he again might as well travel to EE or western Europe for the similar venue.
Because again it's safer (both health-wise and personal-safety-wise), the services are better and less scams.
To visit the similar venue in EE or western Europe, you can just go by yourself and you don't need a bodyguard / tough cab driver waiting for you outside for your personal safety.
You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.
It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.Are you sure it is called "Konagra"? Is it not "Karmagra"?
http://www.europe-pharm.com/de/Viagra-oder-Kamagra
PS: How is this medicnine written in Cyrillic letters? I want to buy a portion.
Are you sure it is called "Konagra"? Is it not "Karmagra"?
http://www.europe-pharm.com/de/Viagra-oder-Kamagra
PS: How is this medicnine written in Cyrillic letters? I want to buy a portion.Hi Michi,
Here is Konagra in Russian (К1054;1053;1040;1043;1056;1040;).
And what exactly do you mean by buying a portion?
Russel4339
09-13-16, 22:24
Are you sure it is called "Konagra"? Is it not "Karmagra"?
http://www.europe-pharm.com/de/Viagra-oder-Kamagra
PS: How is this medicnine written in Cyrillic letters? I want to buy a portion.It is "Konegra". See the picture of the box for Cyrillic spelling. Enjoy.
"You need to know where to go"? - Well, such places are pure shit and to be avoided. I don't want to visit such uninviting places. Then I better visit more welcoming places, such as Donetsk, Mykolayev, Odessa, Lwow, etc "where I will see where to go".Only those who seize Kiev get to manipulate it.
YellowPaul
09-14-16, 05:54
Very tired. 3 nights in row of crazy parties at the clubs and sleeping at 5 am.
Indigo has such hot young students and Caribbean was good with more pro' on Wed the Sat, Hit up at least 7-8 different bars as I meet up with a bunch of different foreigners with made way easier for nightlife as going solo is harder. With my girl I first night I used a rubber as she insisted is VERY good. That means a girl usally does not sleep around as much. The second night I ripped off the condom and rammed it in. So was upset but got over it. Amazing body.
I will try to do a full report including sitting next to ex GF from 2 years ago by accident as it ended badly at a Cafe, to her messaging me on VK. I making out with my ex 1 hour after banging my main girl.
Great weather in Kiev right now, lots of girls out, not many tourists. Good vibes. I see lots of new strip clubs mushroomed all over.
Does anyone know if any of these clubs do take-out or action on premise is possible, other than the good old Rio?
CastOnThis
09-15-16, 22:29
Great weather in Kiev right now, lots of girls out, not many tourists. Good vibes. I see lots of new strip clubs mushroomed all over.
Does anyone know if any of these clubs do take-out or action on premise is possible, other than the good old Rio?Avoid strip-clubs unless you like being bothered for tips and by ugly women.
Go to The Bar in Arena. Much easier to get girls and cheaper than in strip-clubs. Also, near flirt house there is a bar that is always busy and filled with students. Go there.
Well, it seems to me that Kiev golden days have gone, and probably for good! Just have a look at the streets with all these bran new cars and many are luxury ones! And you will know what I mean! : all pretty birds went to the local hunters!
Great weather in Kiev right now, lots of girls out, not many tourists. Good vibes. I see lots of new strip clubs mushroomed all over.
Does anyone know if any of these clubs do take-out or action on premise is possible, other than the good old Rio?I think these strip clubs have popped up because of the huge pool of average and haggard talent now available.
I think these strip clubs have popped up because of the huge pool of average and haggard talent now available.Star rhino nosorog is far best strip club in town.
Can't find the link or previous posts on the FKK kinda of club in Kiev. From memory it was called Aphrodita, or Aphrodite? A senior posted a report on the place with the link. It sounded great. Does it jog any memories?
Star rhino nosorog is far best strip club in town.Can you take out from there and how much?
I have to disagree with previous post regarding rich locals and fancy cars, etc etc, this city is full of hot young students and unemployment is now through the roof.
Can you take out from there and how much?
I have to disagree with previous post regarding rich locals and fancy cars, etc etc, this city is full of hot young students and unemployment is now through the roof.Things have changed dramatically! I see the girls are getting very demanding and very greedy too!
Well, it seems to me that Kiev golden days have gone, and probably for good! Just have a look at the streets with all these bran new cars and many are luxury ones! And you will know what I mean! : all pretty birds went to the local hunters!I think big money has little to do with the scene, only that you are local and the girl kinda like you.
Can you take out from there and how much?
I have to disagree with previous post regarding rich locals and fancy cars, etc etc, this city is full of hot young students and unemployment is now through the roof.I only ask one girl to take out and she said this isn't possible here.
I say it is the best because you can get most in a private.
A very nice girl make me cumm during private and she take off my pants.
Enough reasons I think.
Can't find the link or previous posts on the FKK kinda of club in Kiev. From memory it was called Aphrodita, or Aphrodite? A senior posted a report on the place with the link. It sounded great. Does it jog any memories?The "club" was closed by the police. Already a few years ago. How long it was open. ? I think it was 2 or 3 month. Maximum. Normally it's absolutely impossible to offer such a service in the Ukraine.
I have to disagree with previous post regarding rich locals and fancy cars, etc etc, this city is full of hot young students and unemployment is now through the roof.No. It's not true. There is a lot of work in Kiev. The problem is to find a normal job with a good wage. But not all girls without money are willing to offer sex for money. And not all willing girls looking good. As a good looking girl it's no problem to find a "sponsor" who can offer an apartment and a few hundred dollars a month. Those girls who don't have such a "sponsor" are interested in more money. Or they have a difficult personality.
The "club" was closed by the police. Already a few years ago. How long it was open. ? I think it was 2 or 3 month. Maximum. Normally it's absolutely impossible to offer such a service in t.You do remember the name of the club. Or the name of the senior who posted the report on the club?
You do remember the name of the club. Or the name of the senior who posted the report on the club?LOL Asking questions under the influence of a lot of red wine is never a good idea and with touch typing on a new device as well.
You do remember the name of the club. Or the name of the senior who posted the report on the club?It was Ambrazura. Location far away from the center. 20 min from Zhytomirska Metro station in the west of Kiev. A beautiful house with pool and well decorated rooms. Unique in the Ukraine. Some links in the internet still exist. But the place is already closed since 3 years:
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6745
The old website leads to another place. But this place has nothing to do with the old Ambrazura:
http://ambrazura.com.ua/
It was Ambrazura. Location far away from the center. 20 min from Zhytomirska Metro station in the west of Kiev. A beautiful house with pool and well decorated rooms. Unique in the Ukraine. Some links in the internet still exist. But the place is already closed since 3 years:
http://www.top-modals.com/?id=6745
The old website leads to another place. But this place has nothing to do with the old Ambrazura:
http://ambrazura.com.ua/Many thanks for the info. Yes I heard it was closed but I thought maybe it relocated somewhere else. Probably there is such a place for Kiev, s rich locals where foreigners are not welcome?
Well, it seems to me that Kiev golden days have gone, and probably for good! Just have a look at the streets with all these bran new cars and many are luxury ones! And you will know what I mean! : all pretty birds went to the local hunters!
Things have changed dramatically! I see the girls are getting very demanding and very greedy too!My experiences agree100% with your assessment that the girls are getting very demanding and very greedy too!
The girls I met and f*cked multiple times last year are asking for, at minimum, double the amount I gave them last year or they just won't come or just won't answer the phone no more.
One girl, whom I f*cked multiple times, wrote me that she wouldn't accept anything less than 5 times the amount I gave her last year!
Of course, I didn't agree to any of these ridiculous prices; so they just won't come.
Instead, they are spending time everyday looking for some fool (I think you know who you are (blink)) who is willing to pay them these ridiculous prices.
I am going to bring my dollars, euros and other currencies home, instead of wasting them here.
So I am saving my supplies and ammunition to fight another day at another place.
Kiev for mongers and tourists(whose primary purpose coming here is to have sex) is going down hard and fast, IMHO!
No. It's not true. There is a lot of work in Kiev. The problem is to find a normal job with a good wage. But not all girls without money are willing to offer sex for money. And not all willing girls looking good. As a good looking girl it's no problem to find a "sponsor" who can offer an apartment and a few hundred dollars a month. Those girls who don't have such a "sponsor" are interested in more money. Or they have a difficult personality.Some girls have natural talent to meet many men and they do not want to waste themselves even if a sponsor is available.
There is a place called Disco Dance (big red sign on the door) right next to Mozgi in Arena, you ring up and go to 3rd floor, they've got 5 rooms and take out option is available for same price, girls from 1600-2600 per hour with some good quality girls, entry is 200 and beer for men is 200, don't bother paying girl drinks, expensive. Open 24 hours, and not a bad option if you want to step out from a club for a quickie.
Kiev may have gotten worse but the nightlife is booming on weekends, lots of gorgeous girls, amazing clubs, great music (non hip hop / top 40 shit you get in US / EU clubs), plenty of opportunities to go out and make an effort. Unlike Kharkiv for instance which may have cheaper options but the city lacks the scene and is dark and boring place.
EnricoMacias
09-18-16, 21:45
Dear all,
This is my first post in that from.
I have been 4-5 times in Kiev since 2011. I will be there next 15 days arriving on 29 September.
From my last experience in February 2016, it was great. I will try to find the same.
One point I need a consultation. Last time I did not visit night clubs, only one weekday I went to Caribbean. Also I visited Rio but I asked 3 different girls in the private dance to takeout, all three asked 300 dollars so I make an though estimate. I laid with students 1 hour for 1200 grivn which was 40 dollars. So 300 was expensive for me which is 6 girls.
Anyhow, this time I want to reserve a table in elite night clubs. Which one is good? I talked to Skybar, and it seems I will be there for 4 nights (2 Fridays and 2 Saturdays respectively). I welcome if any gorgeous girl request to sit.
So Skybar is good? I heard Avalon is also good but it is under construction.
Do you have other suggestion for such purpose?
NoMarriage
09-19-16, 08:29
Hi everyone,
Wanted to know the 411 about Ukraine. I wanted to decide which city, Kiev or Odessa. Somewhere on the western side of Ukraine. I see the websites and some of the women look unbelievable.
2. I'd like to know the experience persons view. I am expert in Tijuana, Mexico and avoid all the tourist kill spots for cash. I was thinking of going to Ukraine in a month or two. And wanted to find the civie testing out the waters as a working girl.
3. Is this a bad time to go because it is so cold?
4. What about the HIV Epidemic? We all know BB goes on.
5. Any tips as I don't want to learn the Hard way.
I was thinking of renting out an apartment for 1 month.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
CHI by Decadance is the top club now, but book a table, otherwise it's a tough door. Sky Bar was great also, though I did find working girls had that look like they were working and many past their prime (some are in their 30's if you're into that).
EnricoMacias:
300 $ was too expensive for you, but you want to reserve a table in Skybar for 4 days on the weekend. ? Expect that you can f**k 2 of your 300 $ girls for the table-money or 12 of you 1200 UAH girls. Minimum. But don't expect that you can find a lot of 1200 UAH girls in Skybar.
And: February is always a good time to monger in Kiev. The weather is bad, the girls spend all the money during the Christmas period and there are not so many "tourists" in town. That means it is more easy to find a girl and girls are more willing to meet you for less money.
Hello EnricoMacias,
I am in Kiev now.
How can you find student girls? You find from where?
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EnricoMacias
09-23-16, 18:24
Greetings from Kiev.
I arrived yesterday. 4 girls were waiting for me but I managed to cancel 3 and invited one. She came around 22:00 and we were together until 03:00. She is 24 years old, 160 cm. Brunette. Since I live in Qatar, for the opening ceremony, it was great for me. Before, we agreed $100 for first meeting, and then everyday 1000 grivna. But I will not invite again her because I have 30+ girls in my list. If one of possible appointments cancelled, then this girl will be a backup for me.
Today morning I invited another around 13:00. She was 21 years old, only 158 may be. Blondie. But her photos were gorgeous in the website. She came but she was not like in the website. So I was not impressed and tried to find her back after 30-40 minutes chat. She was a gold digger looking for short term purposes, she always asked about iPhone's which is 900 dollar here. If I fuck her 10 days, OK then may be it is logical but at that moment I think I will never contact her again.
By the way, because of my good approach due to all the problem at my apartment, the real estate company girl came and visit me. She was gorgeous, I offered tea / coffee but she did not stay. She just brought the remote control of A/C but this task might have been done by the driver who always picks up me. However she did not showed me any interest, my feeling is this girl will contact me later. She seemed like doing her business, a gentle introduction. When I follow her, I saw she came on walking and my feeling is she just wanted to see me.
Around 17:00 o'clock, my new girl has arrived. She was 22 years old, 170 and blonde. She was really good, and this was one of my best sex in my life. I gave her $100 and sent back home around 20:00. She will accompany me in Skybar tonight. I need somebody to dance.
So the answer of critical question:
I am 30 years but seem much younger like 26. I am brunette, I have some extra kg but my body is average, 170 cm.
And desired tip:
I have been in Kiev 5-6 times since 2012. I have good network here. I have so many contacts.
For the students which some mongers asked, they are being served me by a lady which I fucked 2012. She has promoted and now searching ladies for me. If it is 1200 uah (40 dollars) for one hour, I think 200 goes to student and 1000 goes for this lady. I do not negotiate with that lady. I just ask, "send me 5 ladies blonde and I will choose 1 of them). Then after some time (usually 40 minutes), the taxi comes with 4-5 girls and I chose one of them. If I like another one, I can choose 2 at the same time if I feel strong enough.
This is the entrance of my 20 days holiday in 2016 September.
EnricoMacias:
300 $ was too expensive for you, but you want to reserve a table in Skybar for 4 days on the weekend. ? Expect that you can f**k 2 of your 300 $ girls for the table-money or 12 of you 1200 UAH girls. Minimum. But don't expect that you can find a lot of 1200 UAH girls in Skybar.
And: February is always a good time to monger in Kiev. The weather is bad, the girls spend all the money during the Christmas period and there are not so many "tourists" in town. That means it is more easy to find a girl and girls are more willing to meet you for less money.Thanks for the criticism.
To harvest the fruits, first I have to invest. For example today night I will be in SkyBar, my table already booked.
Tomorrow, I shall eat with 2 ladies in Prag Restaurant and we will go to Skybar. These are investments and my prestige. Photos at that places, are even a reason to get response.
But when it comes to trade, I make negotiations first and give the exact amount of a product, neither much more or much less.
Harry Hirsch
09-24-16, 06:31
Then I am again back from Ukraine.
This holiday I want none of FK withheld.
Since my last Longtime aunt had violently bye to me and nothing had found really good, I thought I new by start times).
New Mamba account, new images and new Girls writing.
I find nice girl, like her much.
24 not slim, so no hunger hook, great ass.
I would give her NE 7-8.
By writing with her was hard and need time.
She replied very slowly, but then again quickly.
There some signs, maybe she is an fake.
But it was not safe for me. There were no demands for money.
But the demand for various airplane tickets. But with justification.
I don't do it.
Behold one day had a different FK get carried away.
So she is real.
Then I have time for her at the beginning of September, 6 nights with me by the sea.
400 was agreed, gave her at the meet, even the taxi money, since the meeting was far outside of Kiev.
Getting to the sea lasted 9 hours (streets in UA another topic).
Once at sea, parked caravans in front of the sandy beach chairs out. Holiday.
On the way to the beach the atmosphere was loaded very sexy.
Little seems to be a Sexhorny bride.
After the rigors of the journey, there was the evening just an average blowjob CIM.
I thought opps what is this.
The next morning, ate breakfast, small talk. No sex. She wanted to go jogging OKI.
Came back, showers, Small Talk, pictures (normal).
A glass of wine.
"I need sex" purely in the caravan, the small as converted.
Wanted to smooch, licked gave hot blowjob and I have fucked nicely.
OK the tables are turned.
I do not really get the time now to the series.
I just write what went all.
It is, as I made on NE Longtime thing and takes a little time to thaw out. Everything there was not (no anal, and various other things, but totally OK).
She really Naturehorny and need 2-3 times a day sex.
She loves toys, I had sufficient here.
In the afternoon we could sit.
"I go masturbation" - "may I help you?
Yes, come with, I helped her with make horny video, she like make pictures and videos. I could always take the camera in my hand, and photographing and filming.
Have since a couple of horny Movies).
I had it a beautiful brand new bullet vibrator, she loved him and used him everyday.
She knew him to use and came pretty fast, I allowed her then to a short break and have then licked or congratulate her pussy.
When we sat outside it does every now and then let her tits flashes, so that I could then also beautifully photographing this.
Then was sometime a wine bottle empty, makes from the upper band, a cleaning cloth and already was the bottleneck in her pussy.
The Tits still exposed beautiful and already ran the camera.
After minute she pulls the bottle out of pussy out. Fully slimy, seems to have pleased her.
At some point I have to me outside the chair in front of her knees.
Was sentenced to her pussy licking.
Now it was clear for me. I want her.
I made her the offer, she gets 400 per month and we meet regularly.
Now in October she comes to me for good week.
Regular visits but also sex clubs.
She likes sex with several men and is full BI.
I found her in Mamba, I love it.
I using just Google translate. Sorry.
Thanks for the report. Please keep it up. (that is, keep contributing).
A while back I was managing to make it to Kiev 3 times per year, every 4 months, and it got progressively better. I had old contacts, and new contacts always came up, both from introductions from girls and my own searches.
Second, it is great that someone here is finally figuring out the real price. Top talent at GIA starts at 3000 UAH but half of that goes to the agency. Independent students are quite happy with 500 UAH. Of course, this guy (Enrico) has the edge by being 30 years old, not middle aged or older, but the principle remains.
Greetings from Kiev.
For the students which some mongers asked, they are being served me by a lady which I fucked 2012. She has promoted and now searching ladies for me. If it is 1200 uah (40 dollars) for one hour, I think 200 goes to student and 1000 goes for this lady. I do not negotiate with that lady. I just ask, "send me 5 ladies blonde and I will choose 1 of them). Then after some time (usually 40 minutes), the taxi comes with 4-5 girls and I chose one of them. If I like another one, I can choose 2 at the same time if I feel strong enough..
And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up. There are not that many oligarchs to go around. Even if each oligarch keeps a small harem on call, of 10,20, or even 50 girls, that still leaves hundreds of thousands without sponsors. Furthermore, being on one of those harems is probably highly competitive and all the spots are taken by the hard-core pros.
In my experience, and I think Enrico would agree, the best is dealing with non-pros who just need a little extra money for the month.
CallSign Papa
09-24-16, 16:02
And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up.Very true Steve, but don't forget the (unfortunately) larger group of rich guys external to Ukraine who are happy to import these girls to Dubai / Thailand / Maldives at the drop of a hat. Still, like you I think the general idea that girls in this age range have all "discovered their true worth" is at odds with my experiences in Kiev over the last three months.
Notwithstanding first time visitors to Kiev, given the currency issues the monger should still have the upper hand.
EnricoMacias
09-24-16, 16:24
I offered to join me for the Skybar so the afternoon girl left and went home for clothe change. We meet at the door of Skybar at 23:45 but unfortunately due to her shoes, bodyguard did not let us go inside. And they brought my money back which I paid before. We went to Caribbean, and it was good. Last 3-4, I did not enjoyed such. The girl satisfied me as a girlfriend and all kinds of dirty dance. My hands played her pussy all the night. We came home around 5:30. We sat and drink tea and then I fucked her one more time. We slept until 12:00 today then woke up. One more time I fucked her. Then we took shower, and had breakfast. Due to my evening program I had to find a lie to send her. Anyhow she went around 14:00. But she is keep asking me to come / stay this night.
Today evening, there will be no score for me only dinner and disco night with 3 girls I already booked and paid Skybar again.
And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up. There are not that many oligarchs to go around. Even if each oligarch keeps a small harem on call, of 10,20, or even 50 girls, that still leaves hundreds of thousands without sponsors. Furthermore, being on one of those harems is probably highly competitive and all the spots are taken by the hard-core pros.
In my experience, and I think Enrico would agree, the best is dealing with non-pros who just need a little extra money for the month.Yes, 100% agree.
For this visit, I have not called any saloon or this lady yet to provide me girls. There are enough ladies on the internet who is looking for extra money because economy is really bad. (in 2011 one usd was 8 grivnas, now it is 26 grivna).
I did not search anything on the street because there are thousands of Arabs, Egyptian, Turks are already staring girls and stopping them.
That time I realized that the best girls of Ukraine are taken by local rich people. The remaining best girls are travelling to dubai, France, Maldives as a suitcase of a rich Arab, or European thanks to social media like Instagram.
The ones that we are chatting are the rest and most probably the worst of the product.
For the students which some mongers asked, they are being served me by a lady which I fucked 2012. She has promoted and now searching ladies for me. If it is 1200 uah (40 dollars) for one hour, I think 200 goes to student and 1000 goes for this lady. I do not negotiate with that lady. I just ask, "send me 5 ladies blonde and I will choose 1 of them). Then after some time (usually 40 minutes), the taxi comes with 4-5 girls and I chose one of them. If I like another one, I can choose 2 at the same time if I feel strong enough.
.This lady (agent) send you five girls in a taxi, you pick one, and you pay $40 total for the agent, taxi and the girl? Of which $8 goes to the girl?
And I should add, this idea that every hot 18 to 26 year old gild in Ukraine has found herself an oligarch or foreign idiot to support her just does not add up. There are not that many oligarchs to go around. Even if each oligarch keeps a small harem on call, of 10,20, or even 50 girls, that still leaves hundreds of thousands without sponsors. Furthermore, being on one of those harems is probably highly competitive and all the spots are taken by the hard-core pros.
In my experience, and I think Enrico would agree, the best is dealing with non-pros who just need a little extra money for the month.The times of one guy sponsoring several girls are gone, economy is bad. Also many of these girls like to party and guys who know how to party (get tables, etc) that's why you see so many girls with turkish guys even though they all say they don't like them. An observation, on a busy Fri or Sat night a pair of girls walking through Arena will be approached by many turkish guys, some are very annoyed by this because not every girl is a working girl, some girls just want to go out and party and they are being offered money all night.
Hello EnricoMacias,
How did you find the girls before you arrive? Do you get by some websites or some kind of social media platforms?
AZN Monger
09-25-16, 15:24
This lady (agent) send you five girls in a taxi, you pick one, and you pay $40 total for the agent, taxi and the girl? Of which $8 goes to the girl?He said these were his thoughts, and I think he made a mistake because English is not his native language. Girls are not getting $8! It's probably 200 uah to the boss lady and the rest going to the girls.
He said these were his thoughts, and I think he made a mistake because English is not his native language. Girls are not getting $8! It's probably 200 uah to the boss lady and the rest going to the girls.Fair enough. But at that price - 200 uah for the boss, 1-200 uah for the driver, 800 uah for the girl, and nothing for the other three. My guess is these are relatively unattractive girls.
The times of one guy sponsoring several girls are gone, economy is bad. Also many of these girls like to party and guys who know how to party (get tables, etc) that's why you see so many girls with turkish guys even though they all say they don't like them. An observation, on a busy Fri or Sat night a pair of girls walking through Arena will be approached by many turkish guys, some are very annoyed by this because not every girl is a working girl, some girls just want to go out and party and they are being offered money all night.The Turks have more of a social link in Ukraine with school, work, and friends. Spending money is important. Otherwise, they will feel they are wasting their youth and beauty for nothing in return. Most girls in the West will show interest in a man if they see some kind of future together, but in Kiev this just does not apply. I keep the mentality that Ukrainian girls are these innocent creatures roaming the planet and you have to try to seduce their behavior with small things like politeness and generosity.
The Turks have more of a social link in Ukraine with school, work, and friends. Spending money is important. Otherwise, they will feel they are wasting their youth and beauty for nothing in return. Most girls in the West will show interest in a man if they see some kind of future together, but in Kiev this just does not apply. I keep the mentality that Ukrainian girls are these innocent creatures roaming the planet and you have to try to seduce their behavior with small things like politeness and generosity.I don't have anything against Turks, I was referring to that they like going out and spend money and many are "club" type persons and so are many European visitors. I imagine the true rich sugar daddies of Ukraine don't need to bother going to places like Sky on a regular basis. I found Kiev to be a lot of fun on my last trip, weather was perfect in Sept, contrary to some other reports.
Has anyone used sexbomb escort site? The girls seem too hot to be real. For example this one.
http://sexbombua.com/en/girls/sex-escort/kiev/liza_1414.html
I would really appreciate any feedback or personal experiences.
Thanks.
I am planning a trip to Kiev from 1st June to 16 June, I want to know will the holidays starts early in June, how will be nightlife or availability of girls, please guide either I should go in this period or cancel my trip.
Has anyone used sexbomb escort site? The girls seem too hot to be real. For example this one.
http://sexbombua.com/en/girls/sex-escort/kiev/liza_1414.html
I would really appreciate any feedback or personal experiences.
Thanks.If you have read a bit on this forum, you know the answer of your question.
We all wish that this girl is real. I also wish to win at the lottery when I play.
Has anyone used sexbomb escort site? The girls seem too hot to be real. For example this one.
http://sexbombua.com/en/girls/sex-escort/kiev/liza_1414.html
I would really appreciate any feedback or personal experiences.
Thanks.Sure: All girls are real. But 99% are not available in the Ukraine. And not for the amount that they quote on the website.
Those sites are made to make mongers as horny as possible. And with the hope that some stupid people will buy the meat that they send in the taxi.
The only "real" girls are the girls form Gia. The girls you can always see in the ads on that page. But they are expensive.
CallSign Papa
09-26-16, 12:53
The only "real" girls are the girls form Gia. The girls you can always see in the ads on that page. But they are expensive.About 3 years ago on TopModals there was about a 50/50 chance that you'd get the girl in the photo if they were "verified". Sadly there's no longer even a 10% chance.
EnricoMacias
09-26-16, 13:09
I decided not to report while I am in Kiev due to some safety concerns. But I will write as soon as I return my country.
Sure: All girls are real. But 99% are not available in the Ukraine. And not for the amount that they quote on the website.
Those sites are made to make mongers as horny as possible. And with the hope that some stupid people will buy the meat that they send in the taxi.
The only "real" girls are the girls form Gia. The girls you can always see in the ads on that page. But they are expensive.Last time, when I was in Qatar in Feb.-2016 , I also searched that fake websites and made a list for me. I was very horny.
When I arrived my apartment, I called one girl which was looking like Scarlett Johanson (and at the website she was 21 years old) for 1400 grivna.
After waiting 1 hour, one lady arrived which was more than 40+ years old, and seems like she did not slept 72 hours. I was quite disappointed.
I said that she was not the girl in the website, she accepted and said that she can go back. Anyhow, because of I was very horny, I said let us do.
But I did not make any effort, I just lied down as if I am a log. She made blowjob and cowgirl. But I felt as if I sexed with a dead woman.
Hello,
As many people write about Kiev is totally not as it was 10 years ago.
I have been more than 20 times to Kiev and other cities in Ukraine.
Kiev is a superficial city.
Many women are used to clients who pay crazy money for meetings.
I recommend to use some time on Mamba and go direct to the point and ask about meet or not.
Then never meet with any woman who do not want to talk with you on Viber or Skype.
No video-call = no meeting.
Then you do not waste your time on meeting fake girls.
I know girls who ask for and get 1000 usd for a meeting.
Many girls want about 300 usd.
But it is possible to get nice girls (6 or 7) for 100 usd.
I have contact info to nice girls. Send me PM.
Ola.
About 3 years ago on TopModals there was about a 50/50 chance that you'd get the girl in the photo if they were "verified". Sadly there's no longer even a 10% chance.I just read a report on the local site. One local Ukrainian guy use the following tactic.
He tells provider that if a girl and her photo are different then he immediately will send the girl back without any pay including a taxi. He claims that this tactics work in more than 90% cases.
I just read a report on the local site. One local Ukrainian guy use the following tactic.
He tells provider that if a girl and her photo are different then he immediately will send the girl back without any pay including a taxi. He claims that this tactics work in more than 90% cases.Yes. It works in 90% of all cases.
45% they don't care what you say. They send a taxi with 2 or 3 different girls and they hope that you will choose another one.
45% they promise to send the girl on the photo and you wait and wait and wait. But no girl will come. Even if you call another five times they will always promise you that the girl is on the way.
I just read a report on the local site. One local Ukrainian guy use the following tactic.
He tells provider that if a girl and her photo are different then he immediately will send the girl back without any pay including a taxi. He claims that this tactics work in more than 90% cases.Problem with this tactic is booker by nature will have to jerk you around.
Hello,
As many people write about Kiev is totally not as it was 10 years ago.
I have been more than 20 times to Kiev and other cities in Ukraine.
Kiev is a superficial city.
Many women are used to clients who pay crazy money for meetings.
I recommend to use some time on Mamba and go direct to the point and ask about meet or not.
Then never meet with any woman who do not want to talk with you on Viber or Skype..LOL fly all the way to Ukraine to get a 6 or 7 for 100 usd.
You can get a 7 or 8 in Montreal Canada.
Kissing BBBJ and CIM.
I was in Ukraine 2 yrs ago.
Paid a lot less than this with mamba girls.
I haven't bother returning.
As unless you can get a 7 to 9 for the night for 100.00.
Might as well go to Thailand Brazil or Colombia.
Stupid is as stupid does.
BTW several girls looking very hot and sexy on pictures on Mamba, profile reading "not cheap", offering 150-200 per hour /1. 5 hours. I didn't see a point in paying this much but curious if in real life they look anything like in the pictures and if age is correct. No one should be paying more than 2 K hrivnas.
Arrived in Kiev mid-Aug and spent the first few days making friends and doing tourist stuff. First few nights I rented a posh AirBnB in the city center. My personal experience with Mamba is that it's a waste of time. I met a couple girls (delivered via cab, paid only one way) and they were both about a 7. Service was great due to chemistry and English skills, but didn't get value. Granted damage was only 1,500 H.
After the Mamba disappointments I decided to try something a little less high-tech with a Ukrainian mate. I found a cab driver to show me around. Perhaps it was luck of the draw, or maybe because I was rolling around with a local, but the driver took us to great brothel (wish I remembered the street, I was a bit tipsy) about 15 girls, most 8-9. I chose early (drunk mistake) and wound up with a tall brunette, just after I made my pick a petite 18 year old spinner walks out and my bud immediately goes for her. Cab ride home it became apparent that my choice was going to be a *****, but had the luck where his girl spoke the best English-- we decided to to switch when we got to the apartment (or actually I did, when my friend was washing up. Sorry / not sorry mate!) Short story: had an excellent GFE, paid the same as for the Mamba chicks, half way through I wanted BBBJ so dropped an extra $30.
Overall nothing amazing, but learned my lesson: If ever I'm back in Kiev I'm skipping online P4 P and doing it old school. Also, I had started sending out messages to normal girls a week before my trip. Regarding normal, it seems young ones (18-22) are up for having fun and are quite open minded / down for things like threesomes, and then anyone over the age of 24 is mostly looking for a sponsor / husband and may already have kids. My first time in Kiev and I found women (a most people in general) to be very approachable and down to earth. There are the showy bogie class as well, but I found them to be less fun in general. One piece of advice: maintain eye contact when meeting anyone for the first time. This is a general EE thing, but found it especially true in Ukraine. Young girls I mostly met in person through my Ukrainian friend and they came from all over Ukraine to party in Kiev. In the end I probably had more fun with regular girls, though language was an issue. My advice is to befriend a local, but be cautious and don't let anyone view you as a walking ATM.
I can only imagine what this place was like for the graybeards on here a decade ago! Everywhere else I traveled for a week afterwards, the women just couldn't compete with what experienced. Perception is all relative.
BTW several girls looking very hot and sexy on pictures on Mamba, profile reading "not cheap", offering 150-200 per hour /1. 5 hours.Simple question: where in Mamba-profile do you read "not cheap", "offering 150-200 per hour" ? And what currency are you referring to?
Rammstein2
09-27-16, 11:04
The goal must be: 1. To get a 6 to 9 girl for 500 to 1.000 Griwna for a timeless meeting (maybe its possible for less money; but this money range is OK for me) 2. To get a Non professional girl who made sex for money one or a few times because of an emergency situation. When you find such a girl hold her tight; she also will be very faithful to you. Sex without condoms and having a real girlfriend will be the result.
How to get such a girl: Time, time, time and hard work. Its possible only in Mamba and without Russian language knowledge. But of course it is only worth it for people who are in the Ukraine for more than 3 month a year or longer. The last six Month I had been in Mamba in average 30 minutes a day. Now I have about 200 Viber and Whattsapp numbers mostly with real photos from the girls and the prices. 2 to 5 per cent of them are diamonds. Young diamonds which I am wearing now. About 60 % of them are girls who want to have something between 40 and 100. There is a good choice. The rest want to have more than 100 .
If you don't spent a lot of time in looking for girls than its better for you to avoid Kiev. And if you are in Kiev only for a short time it is not worth it to spent so much time in searching.
Simple question: where in Mamba-profile do you read "not cheap", "offering 150-200 per hour" ? And what currency are you referring to?For example (now she changed the information and it's not written in her profile anymore): http://mamba.ru/mb1622708732.
This girl is always asking for 150 $ or 200 $ + 100 $ for BBBJ. She is a little bit snooty and will not accept less.
In reality you can go down to 2000 UAH or even 1500 UAH (I paid 1500 as I remember). It always depends on the current situation and the lack of money.
But even this amount is too much. Tits = Zero. Age = Fake (last year I saw her on vk and there she was 28).
BBBJ = Yes. But not with passion. Always affected.
And there is only- 1 - condom in her pocket. No chance for a second fuck if you don't bring your own condoms.
I ordered her twice, because she wrote me on mamba and had a problem with money. And she promised me "this time it will be better". Not true. It was more worse.
P.S.: A lot of girls write "adequate" and a only few girls in clear words "not cheap". But it means the same.
Horny Monger
09-27-16, 11:59
LOL fly all the way to Ukraine to get a 6 or 7 for 100 usd.
You can get a 7 or 8 in Montreal Canada.
Kissing BBBJ and CIM.
I was in Ukraine 2 yrs ago.
Paid a lot less than this with mamba girls.
I haven't bother returning.
As unless you can get a 7 to 9 for the night for 100.00.
Might as well go to Thailand Brazil or Colombia.
Stupid is as stupid does.You got it. Completely agree with you.
No point wasting money on airfare and hotels.
Kiev as a city for mongering is not worth it at all!
You can get better looking girls for the same money elsewhere, even in Canada!
LOL fly all the way to Ukraine to get a 6 or 7 for 100 usd.
You can get a 7 or 8 in Montreal Canada.
Kissing BBBJ and CIM.
I was in Ukraine 2 yrs ago.
Paid a lot less than this with mamba girls.
I haven't bother returning.
As unless you can get a 7 to 9 for the night for 100.00.
Might as well go to Thailand Brazil or Colombia.
Stupid is as stupid does.Thailand is great if you like your p4 p served on a platter. Kiev is for the hunters.
Just spent a week in Kiev.
The first thing I want to talk about is the worst experience during the week, which took place at a massage parlar named Retro.
I went there for 2 nights in a row apparently because I was so impressed with the skills of 2 girls I had on the 1st night.
But the second night was a different story. I again asked for 2 girls.
Avoid a blond named Katcha. She may be one of the nicer looking girls there, but perhaps because of that, she has an abhorrent attitude. Her occasional smile to make it up is even more sickening.
Besides, when she takes off her bra, you'll find them saggy, and her skill for classic and erotic massages cannot be called skill, even though the "administrator" assured me all girls were equally skilled. The admin should now discipline her.
She must also be quite stupid to give such a bad service in the age of internet reviews.
If I sound mad, it's because I am mad. In the end, I asked her to leave the room and finished only with the other girl who was much nicer.
Now, this is my experience, and if you have a personality that charms every girl, your experience might be different.
But I guess if this was the worst of the week, then my week was probably not so bad...
DramaFree11
10-01-16, 00:13
Sorry, that is the worse time to be in Odessa. As far as Kiev it is finished, go some where else, you are just waiting your time and money, especially if you do not know the cities and culture. Read the previous post and it is much worse. You have to have knowledge to successful unless you like 5-6's and that is being kind. The attractive girls are long gone. I lived there on 3 different occasions and visited over 60 times. We were well connected and new all the best places to places to go.
If you like hanging out with Turkish guys and ugly women, that think they are attractive go. Not to mention the lies, it is real sad, Kiev was my favorite place in the world, now you could not pay met to go back.
Sorry.
Thailand is great if you like your p4 p served on a platter. Kiev is for the hunters.Very well said and it sums it all up. Thailand is also great for Thai girls.
I checked this place out last night and saw Krystyna. She was a solid 7-8 lols wise. I went with the 1000 grivna pption. The good: the place is nice and clean. They show you a menu in English with prices. As for her, the regular massage was well done. The erotic part was very average. She was friendly and flirty before and after but she did all her jerking with her eyes closed or looking at herself in the mirror. She was the only one available when I got there but on the way out I saw 2 super cute / adorable types. I'd go repeat at this place but not with her.
LuisVega11
10-05-16, 00:32
The goal must be: 1. To get a 6 to 9 girl for 500 to 1.000 Griwna for a timeless meeting (maybe its possible for less money; but this money range is OK for me) 2. To get a Non professional girl who made sex for money one or a few times because of an emergency situation. When you find such a girl hold her tight; she also will be very faithful to you. Sex without condoms and having a real girlfriend will be the result.
How to get such a girl: Time, time, time and hard work. Its possible only in Mamba and without Russian language knowledge. But of course it is only worth it for people who are in the Ukraine for more than 3 month a year or longer. The last six Month I had been in Mamba in average 30 minutes a day. Now I have about 200 Viber and Whattsapp numbers mostly with real photos from the girls and the prices. 2 to 5 per cent of them are diamonds. Young diamonds which I am wearing now. About 60 % of them are girls who want to have something between 40 and 100. There is a good choice. The rest want to have more than 100 .
If you don't spent a lot of time in looking for girls than its better for you to avoid Kiev. And if you are in Kiev only for a short time it is not worth it to spent so much time in searching.200 of contacts who never will appear or if they will be sent by some agency or have fake photos. I'm in Kiev worked in mamba. Lot of fake contacts. Agency. A lot of girl for 1000 hour but terrible service.
I don't know what is your minimum quality level but I suspect is pretty low.
Kiev is completely dead from any point of view apart that of big spending money. Sure I have some old contact some new one but the quality is getting so low it's not comparable even to Kiev of last year.
Diamonds? For 500 1000 gryvna,. Oh my god. People don't listen to this guy. Is advertising a Kiev that doesn't exist anymore.
Even Tinder that once was working so good is now full of scam and agency.
By the way I'm not a german 50 older guy like you I'm pleasant Mediterranean of 35 good looking with money in pocket and visiting Kiev from 2012 more than 20 times.
Please stop this nonsense.
LuisVega11
10-05-16, 00:46
Here from 24 September. Planned back 17 already anticipated my flight at 11.
-Girl: work some old contact even for free. One great girl of 18 with superb boobs and body coming from village in September. I chatted with her all summer she's from small village. She went Kiev 8 September. I knew I should have come here 9 because 24 could have been already late and it was. 2 good meeting than begun the impossible asking. My friend is taking 500 dollar bla bla. A men offer me bla bla.
-Day' s hunting. Good first days than dying. I found time after time most of girl becoming harsher and more difficult to meet in street. Met one nice girl kissing after 20 minutes. But it was not my type so second meeting I close the deal. Some other good contact who answered and promised meeting. Then disappeared as fresh air.
-Night life: exist? Completely dead. Went some club only *****. Zero fun everywhere. Gone are will time when people went out for fun. The few people who still have money are ***** and mafia. The rest stay home.
-People: situation is hurting badly. Zero money for people who not have any saving mostly, they still keep living over their possibility and spent all money in summer-. Mentality of small kids I call it, actually it looks like a country inhabited by children who dream dream dream. The poorer they become the more demanding and son of a ***** they are. Girl who come from village and earn 4000 gryvna day want fur coat, iPhone 7. They lived in the full shit and they ask iPhone 7. The new western revolution destroyed what was the best part of this place, now is left a fake liberalism full of problems.
- City: dirt as hell. Full of people begging. Especially in center. Air impossible to breathe. I felt unhealthy from 3 day and still feel so tired someday without any explanation. Sometimes I walk and seems like something thick enter the mouth. I love Kiev but is getting worst and worst. Luckily I stay near a park so can jog everyday.
- Even if people earn nothing and services are = 0 a good apartment will settle you off like in Rome. Renting prices are out of control. Actually Kiev is invaded by village people from eastern part of country and in practice from everywhere cause only in Kiev money are left.
Conclusion: I will come back? Maybe. I always say no but always come back. I suggest to come? No. Everywhere is nothing. Zero online game. Even mamba if you search for active contact is practically non existent. Sure you can find some cheap girl but quality is super low. Is getting cold and people will not even have money to go out anywhere. Best pussy are gone forever in any other country, miss the time when you walk in Kiev and turn heads like 100 tikes a minute. Now if I turn 10 times hours is enough. I can have big standard maybe but this is the sad truth about a place that was a paradise of pussy.
Horny American
10-06-16, 03:35
A whole bunch pessimists on here huh? Not even the glass is half full? It's empty huh?
Is Kiev the number one sex destination in the world? If I could go anywhere in the world for a sex vacation would it be Kiev? The answer is a resounding no, but not everyone can travel elsewhere. Not everyone can go to Bangkok or Amsterdam etc and some may not even want to. Some like myself come to Kiev for other reasons and whether it is business or family reasons we look to play while we are there.
And there is nothing to stop you from having a very good time in Kiev while you are there except yourself. If you're expecting too much, or are a cheap guy, or are just a bad personality then I guess you should avoid it. But that kind of person is not going to be happy anywhere they go.
If you come to Kiev and are willing to put in a little bit of work (It's not going to just fall in your lap) and spend a fair amount of money then you will have a very nice time. If you're too lazy or too cheap, then look in the mirror and the reason why you're not happy is right there looking back at you.
200 of contacts who never will appear or if they will be sent by some agency or have fake photos. I'm in Kiev worked in mamba. Lot of fake contacts. Agency. A lot of girl for 1000 hour but terrible service.
I don't know what is your minimum quality level but I suspect is pretty low.
Kiev is completely dead from any point of view apart that of big spending money. Sure I have some old contact some new one but the quality is getting so low it's not comparable even to Kiev of last year.
Diamonds? For 500 1000 gryvna,. Oh my god. People don't listen to this guy. Is advertising a Kiev that doesn't exist anymore..
Sorry, that is the worse time to be in Odessa. As far as Kiev it is finished, go some where else, you are just waiting your time and money, especially if you do not know the cities and culture. Read the previous post and it is much worse. You have to have knowledge to successful unless you like 5-6's and that is being kind. The attractive girls are long gone. I lived there on 3 different occasions and visited over 60 times. We were well connected and new all the best places to places to go.
If you like hanging out with Turkish guys and ugly women, that think they are attractive go. Not to mention the lies, it is real sad, Kiev was my favorite place in the world, now you could not pay met to go back.
Sorry.
You got it. Completely agree with you.
No point wasting money on airfare and hotels.
Kiev as a city for mongering is not worth it at all!
You can get better looking girls for the same money elsewhere, even in Canada!
Lelapinnoir
10-06-16, 07:58
Hi guys,
I have been reading this forum to plan my trip and get some useful info.
Unfortunately it was a nightmare to get some real contacts and phone numbers with price.
So as I learned in the past TOFTT and I did.
http://relaxportal.biz/eng/ is a good source for me as I found an agency on it that sent me quality girls for 1000 plus 100 for taxi.
They have bad English, the girls were late but the sex part was good.
The sent 3 girls at the Hotel, I came to the lobby and choose the one I wanted. Pay attention here: hotel is OK for girls to come BUT if you booked a single room, they will charge you after 9 pm!
I gave the doorman 200 and he became my best friend here, and provided 2 other dates yesterday night, it was more pricey 1500 / H but girls were better looking. Same as other agency, 3 girls come by taxi.
I think its more expensive cause the Hotel must get a cut on it.
As for mamba, tourist trap for me all girls were like 100 $ minimum.
Today will be visit of the city, sex in the afternoon, and tonight I have a driver that will shox me all the different bordellos in Kiev.
So will tell you the results tomorrow.
For the city guide I found a nice girl (no P4P) that gave me connections / advice / nice tour of city / [Email address deleted by Admin]
She is smart and friendly but don't try to date her you will waste your time, make her your wingwomen and pussy will come to you.
I don't care of what you think about me and don't expect anything. I was just sad to see BS infos and no contacts while Kiev has a lot to offer.
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Rammstein2
10-06-16, 11:14
200 of contacts who never will appear or if they will be sent by some agency or have fake photos. I'm in Kiev worked in mamba. Lot of fake contacts. Agency. A lot of girl for 1000 hour but terrible service.
I don't know what is your minimum quality level but I suspect is pretty low.
Kiev is completely dead from any point of view apart that of big spending money. Sure I have some old contact some new one but the quality is getting so low it's not comparable even to Kiev of last year.
Diamonds? For 500 1000 gryvna,. Oh my god. People don't listen to this guy. Is advertising a Kiev that doesn't exist anymore.
Even Tinder that once was working so good is now full of scam and agency.
By the way I'm not a german 50 older guy like you I'm pleasant Mediterranean of 35 good looking with money in pocket and visiting Kiev from 2012 more than 20 times.
Please stop this nonsense.I have been in Kiev several times for 5 month this year and I will be in Kiev for an other 6 weeks this year. I gave advice how to get these girls and I tried to give information about my experiences. If you or others don't believe it -who cares.
The very most non professional girls are only looking for sponsoring men when they need the money very urgent. They are happy when you are offering them a permanent sponsoring or meeting. Permanent could also mean that you come to Kiev every 3 month for a week. There are so many girls in mamba who are "activ " only for a few days and than you don't see them in mamba again for month.
In Kiev are living some hundred thousands of girls and women who need money. The poorness of the country becomes worse and worse. Last time I got 29.3 griwna for one Euro.
Kiev is (still) a paradise! But again: you need a lot of time. If you come to Kiev without getting contacts in advance you have lost of course.
EnricoMacias
10-06-16, 16:52
Hello mongers,
I arrived my safe port, Doha so I can write a detailed report now. First of all, my arrival to Kiev was 22-September at 19:00 and departure was 4-October at 12:30. So I stayed for 12 nights.
I have already reported about my first 48 hours and you can refer my previous posts if anybody missed them. I want to submit the bill first for 12 nights. Total I spent, $3150 which consists $450 for apart, $300 for flight, 1 expensive night around $500 at SkyBar and Prag Restaurant. I paid $600 to the girl which I slept 8 nights. The remaining was contributed to Ukraine economy with various services.
So I left reporting at day-2 which I was planning to go Prag Restaurant and Skybar. As planned, I went to Prag Restaurant with 3 gorgeous girls. I have met one of them in internet last February-2016, I said her that I will reserve a table in Skybar and I shall be alone. She said she would be happy to accompany, and she said we can go Prag restaurant which we talked weeks ago before my vacation. She asked if 2 other friends may join and I said it is OK. My friend was a twin. (the twin of my friend was married) Her friends were also twins. It was strange for me and I really enjoyed. The bill was around $200 but I really enjoyed my rib-eye. Since I am a business developer, I visit often the best restaurant in Doha and Istanbul, but such a delicious steak I did not eat recently. After the dinner, we went skybar which I reserved a table for 7000 grivnas. (around $260 dollars). Until 3-4, we danced together and it was a really good night for me. Then the girls went and I was alone. As I wrote in my previous post, I did not expected to fuck any of them, so there was no problem. I asked the bill and waiter said I still have plenty of quota. I said no need to take anything but he brought me one Macallan Whiskey and one Italian Champagne in Skybar bag. I gave him 200 uah tip (10 dollars.) After such a night, I did not want to sleep alone and call my girl and she arrived around 4:30 to my apart. (BTW I lied her that I was with my cousin married in Kiev all the evening and my cousin son 4 years did not left me, but I think she can understand what is going on.).
This girl was like a real girlfriend. She was buying food items, preparing breakfast, lunch and dinner even if I offered her to eat outside. She was massaging me, and I was coming at the end of each massage thanks to her handjob. She was sucking great which I can hardly stop myself and she was also very good at the bed. Her screams were wild, even it might be disturbing. Anyhow, she was really like a girlfriend. When she had a job outside, she was informing me about her arrival and departure times. May be some of you might suspect whether she meets other men instead of her mentioned jobs, and yes, I also suspected. But each time, she proved herself. So I believe her 100%. I believe her because I watched her on TV as she promised me. Again, since it was a GFE, I was also great to meet with others when she was not at home. The pleasure was doubled for me.
So on Monday 26-September, she went outside at 14:00 and would came back around 21:30. I went to massage saloon and delighted the girl. I am sure that she was the best girl which I laid naked in a bed. 180 height, golden hair, green eyes, 24 years. She was physically perfect but in addition her speech was also warm and kind. Massage was 1000 uah (40 dollars) and I left her 500 uah tip. She said she would go Italy for 10 days holiday and she will work only today until 04:00 am As soon as I came home, I called the massage saloon and asked the girl for house. My purpose was to get her contact details. They said she is busy until 1820 but can send her as soon as possible before 19:00. I accepted and started to wait. On the other hand, I already agreed to meet another her from internet at 19:00 so I asked her to come 1 hour later around 20:00. My time was limited. Anyhow, massage girl arrived around 18:50 and I really enjoyed again even if she did not gave her contacts. My purpose was not herself since she had a BF, she gave me some tips about Ukraine and Ukraine woman, I just need a consultant. Anyhow, after she went, the internet girl arrived. Her name in the site was "dream" if I remember. I am always afraid of girls such nicknames. When she arrived, I noticed her teeth which was not in good shape. I asked her to go bedroom directly and she asked if we have time to relax. I denied, and asked her to start take off clothes. When she was naked, her body was really really brunette due to her excessive sunbathing, I though she weared pantyhose. Anyhow, I started to fuck her and I smelled the awful smell from her vagina which I hated. I hardly finished my orgasm due to this smell. She asked if she can take a shower since she does not have hot water at her house, I said yes she can. After the bathroom, she said what is my plan and offered to eat together outside. I said I had another plan alone, and she smiled and said "I understood". This girl asked $100 for meeting at first and I said I will give 1000 uah (40 dollars) for introduction when we agreed on internet. If she does not tell lie, her last BF was a Spanish guy for 6 months. This girl was milestone for me and I decided not to seek adventures any more. Because my blonde girl was really a good and clean girl like a wife. We were together 25-26-27 September and I helped her $100 everyday thanks to her services (sex, massage, cooking.
By the way, I found a gap on Thursday night and I invited one girl which I introduced in my last-February as if she fucks me, not me. I dreamed about her fuck for months to make it again. (purpose-1) I invited the girl and we made love 3 times in 2 hours. I have her 1500 uah. I promised to give 1000 uah for each other meetings. After she went, I called my girl and I said I am invited for dinner to my cousin. So the night was mine. I called the first day girl. She came around 23:00 pm I fucked her until 04:00. For me it was 2 orgasms. But I enjoyed to play with her vagina with my hands. She was really cute like a cat. Every 10 seconds, she was looking at me with a attractive face. I really liked her. Bur unfortunately, she felt pain at her vagina and she left around 04:00, may be it is because my hard touches which seemed to make her cum 3 times if she did not played theater.
And the surprise comes here. On Friday morning, when I woke up, one of my eye was red and a little closed. I went to pharmacy and took a drop. I started to use it. My cousin and I met with a young male student which we thought we can benefit and we were together for information all day. My cousin dropped me to Arena and I was dedicated to take one girl from Baby Doll at arenas 2 second floor. I think everybody knows this place since at the corner, there is a short guy called alex and asked all foreigners if they need woman. When I entered inside, the atmosphere was not elite. There is around 10 girls totally, 3-4 rooms, 6-7 table which some men were sitting with a towel only and drinking. I searched a tall girl and liked one called Malika with green eyes and red hair around 175 height. We agreed for 1600 uah and 100 uah for taxi. After 15 minutes waiting, which was good for me to observe the place better, we went down for the taxi. When we arrived home, Malika rejected most of my requests such as playing her vagina. I said her I will remember as "no no no girl", she was a 21 years old journalist student, she had a tattoo writing "enjoy every moment". She just sucks and fucks with vagina. Due to her rejection, I thought I should punish her with my 90 kg body during vaginal sex and I tried my best to punish her.
Saturday, I met a mature lady 28 years old, which is 180 and may be more than 70 kgs around 18:00. I gave her 1300 uah and promised for 1000 uah for other meeting in the future. She was really bigger than me and I had difficulty in doggy position. But while sex with her, I understood that now I was fucking with a real woman. She sucked my penis without condom and my balls also which was first time in my life, It was strange for me. After 2 times orgasm, I said enough. I gave the money and she left smiling. She was also a good lady. ((small note: she is writing me to meet again since she need $100, I said I left already and I can not send money, but I can share her contact with other men if she wants. She accepted, seems desperate).
Now I checked my notes, my last payment to my girl 29 September morning. After then, I said I will not make a payment, I am happy to be together and she can stay / accompany me if she wants. She said, I am a good man and she wanted to stay.
Saturday night, we went to Rio Club together. I had only 1400 uah cash and they said they do not accept credit card but dollar exchange at 25 (outside 26). Our first bill was 1350 uah with entrance fees. When we arrived, there was no place at 23:30 and they gave a table in the ground floor where the girls start dancing so it was the worst place. Since my clothes were good and I had one previous visit in Rio, the managers transferred us to the VIP room for the best table after 1 hours. I was afraid that they would ask extra money for that table. Anyhow, we stayed 2 more hours until 02:00, and the second bill around 700+200 uah for 2 jack Daniels whisky, 4 shots for my girls, 1 sushi. I gave $100 dollars and take 1500 uah back. The clup was OK but there was only around 30 girls circulating. I enjoyed 4-5 big tall girls during my previous visit and my eyes searched for such girls. In my last visit, I took lap dance for 3 days for 400 uah and asked them to come. When all 3 girls asked 300 dollars, I did not take.
Monday morning, my eye was very very bad and I started worried. My cousin came and insisted to visit a hospital. We went to hospital together and the doctor said it is normal conjunctivitis, and no need worries. She gave 5 medicine. The appointment was 300 uah and the medicine was 1100 uah. I started to use medicine Monday.
For my visit, I had 3 purposes:
1) Meeting with the same girl which I met in February.
2) Fucking with 2 ladies at the same time (fucking ass at the top of vagina).
3) Fucking a tall girl more than 180 cm.
4) Reserving tables at elite clubs / restaurants with pretty ladies, enjoy.
So tasks were already accomplished exempt second one. So Monday, after hospital, I called my Mama friend to provide me two girls at he same time, but good quality as always. After discussion and search, she said she will manage 2 girls for $100 and 200 uah for taxi, I said OK. After 1 hour, she called me that the girls were downstairs in the taxi with plate number bla bla. I went downstairs took the girls. One was just graduated 22 years old, working for only as escort and knows English. The other said she was 18 but not speaking English and she seems really excited, she sweated so much. She was really like a baby, she was blonde, just a typical Ukrainian lady. Her hair was more than her ass. She was taller than me 170 cm, even if she seems like a baby. So really enjoyed to sex with two girls at the same time, only bad thing was changing condom when I wanted to change suck or vagina girls. When they left, I called my friend and thanked.
So, it was the last day, and I was returning back to desert which a poor PRC was 1000 riyal ($274 for one night). I had to enjoy in Kiev where the relax rates for men were attractive. So I contacted with massage saloon, and I asked a lesbian show and massage after. Since my eye was bad and I was looking like a devil, I wanted to stay at home and girls to come. So after some discussions, I decided to visit the saloon since I wanted to see their place. The lady offered me 1700 uah for lesbian and massage. So I booked for 19:00 and arrived on time. After a shower, one girl started massage 3-4 minutes, than the other came and started lesbian. We all three, were in the same bed and they were playing with each other. But since I am a little expert, I did not see see any passion between them and seem like just business. One girl was also playing with me and my cock while the other did not touch me. It took around 20 minutes for me to come. After I came, I lied and they started to massage together. It took 30 minutes. I did not expert the to make both massage. So I was happy. There was a piton also at our room, which they said the master of piton is on vacation and they are afraid. This massage saloon is small, only one room if I compare with the other one which I visited several times. But I enjoyed and satisfied with their service.
So it was 20:00 and I was on kresatik, which was the end of my vacation. I eat on cheap Ukrainian restaurant which is 150 uah (5 dollars for one soup, 2 chicken meatball, one salad, one manti). I bought some chocolates from Roshen and I distributed all my Ukrainian money left to the beggars on the kresatik. My flight was at 12:30 next day and my taxi were to come around 10:00.
To sum up, due to my sore throat and fever in the first 4-5 days I did not enjoy, especially for outside. Then my eye started in the 7th day, after that time I concentrated at my eye. Sex was not in my mind especially when the Ukrainian doctor asked me about tension and activity last days. Ukraine economy is not good and most of the woman are looking for extra women. Even if they asks for $500 dollars for one meeting, it is possible to make it 1000 uah. If one does not accept, there are thousands are willing to accept. For this time, I used my mama escort only for one time, which supports my thoughts about economy. During all my visits, I gained friends. These girls are my friends or may be fuck buddy. Most of them wrote me to meet again and I refused since I was occupied with other one or my problem in the eye.
So may be some of you have other question? What is the situation in my eyes? On Tuesday morning, the affection also started with my other eye. So I went to directly the best eye hospital in my country. So the treatment started, I am looking like a devil or walking dead zombie. It will take at least 10 days for me to recover and seem like a human again.
Greetings from Doha.
LuisVega11
10-06-16, 22:15
I have been in Kiev several times for 5 month this year and I will be in Kiev for an other 6 weeks this year. I gave advice how to get these girls and I tried to give information about my experiences. If you or others don't believe it -who cares.
The very most non professional girls are only looking for sponsoring men when they need the money very urgent. They are happy when you are offering them a permanent sponsoring or meeting. Permanent could also mean that you come to Kiev every 3 month for a week. There are so many girls in mamba who are "activ " only for a few days and than you don't see them in mamba again for month.
In Kiev are living some hundred thousands of girls and women who need money. The poorness of the country becomes worse and worse. Last time I got 29.3 griwna for one Euro.
Kiev is (still) a paradise! But again: you need a lot of time. If you come to Kiev without getting contacts in advance you have lost of course.Sorry but when I read. To 9 at 500 1000 gryvna I already stopped reading.
Probably you have very low expectation.
I come here from 2011. Sorry to say.
Sure thousand of girl but not so easy like you are saying.
That's why I walk everyday in Kiev and see old American and European fucking short barrel girl. Maybe you are one of them? Then come here and wrote you fuck model for 600 gryvna.
LuisVega11
10-06-16, 22:17
A whole bunch pessimists on here huh? Not even the glass is half full? It's empty huh?
Is Kiev the number one sex destination in the world? If I could go anywhere in the world for a sex vacation would it be Kiev? The answer is a resounding no, but not everyone can travel elsewhere. Not everyone can go to Bangkok or Amsterdam etc and some may not even want to. Some like myself come to Kiev for other reasons and whether it is business or family reasons we look to play while we are there.
And there is nothing to stop you from having a very good time in Kiev while you are there except yourself. If you're expecting too much, or are a cheap guy, or are just a bad personality then I guess you should avoid it. But that kind of person is not going to be happy anywhere they go.
If you come to Kiev and are willing to put in a little bit of work (It's not going to just fall in your lap) and spend a fair amount of money then you will have a very nice time. If you're too lazy or too cheap, then look in the mirror and the reason why you're not happy is right there looking back at you.Probably your standard are pretty low? Maybe that's the difference? Nothing to do with money or me. I always had even free beautiful girl. Simply I told the truth.
Kiev is falling down.
I still enjoy here but is the sad truth.
Lelapinnoir
10-07-16, 08:53
Day 2 in Kiev.
So my Private guide gave me a contact to be my driver Oleg, nice guy around 30 years old 1 m90. The Ukrainian standard bodyguard. I took him to the hotel first to check him and talk prices and goal of the night.
We went on a 10 $/ h deal including car and gas.
So the evening started at 9. 00 and we went to Brothels that here are called Bordellos. The first one was right behind Hyatt hotel, 3 girls no hottie all wanted 2000 UAH for what I consider a 5 or 6 max.
My goal was to use him to check the houses and take addresses but I quickly realized that I won't get there. All doors have codes, and you need to call to get the code so. We went to 6 or 7 brothels every time the same process:
Call code go to door they open, 3 to 5 girls do a line up and you pick one. Avoid beer whisky or drinks there it is 200 to 500 uah for drinks. Just crazy stuff tourist trap!
We went to one bordello just in front of English embassy on first floor, they had 7 girls good looking (6 to 8 in my range) but the price went to 100 $ / hour which is a total no no for me.
I have 1000 to 1500 uah girls to my hotel room so no way I could pay 100 $ for those girls.
Anyways, we went to a bordello near Dominos Pizza, on 6th floor and it was the good news of the night.
Only one girl but young, fresh smiling, I totally wanted to bang her. But I was told 2 other girls will be there in 5 minutes so I waited.
5 minutes later 2 nice girls, (7 to 9) in the 20,s good firm body. I don't know which one to choose. The I am told that the first one is 18 years old with 5 days in the biz.
BS or not I pick her but then we talk price. 3000 uah / h. I negotiate but nothing under 2000.
I feel like my driver takes a cut on me because every time he talks he introduce himself as the driver or taxi.
So I decide not to bite to this hook and tell him we leave.
I talk with him and explain him that I don't feel he his helping.
So we go the Dolls strip club, 300 uah just to go in! I say no thanks, I just go inside and check the place.
It looks expensive 10 to 15 girls on the ground floor, lots of guys private room are just behind a small curtain with a body guard, I leave to Penthouse strip club.
It is a must do.
There is an elevator with a midget woman in her 50's dressed as a groom. You got to see this!
Anyway I go inside ask for a quick tour. 10 to 15 girls, hot ones but don't like atmosphere. A few want to be mobsters. I ask for prices 500 uah for private dances (10 minutes 2 songs) in VIP. Thanks mam and I leave.
Now we are around 12.00 and I didn't fuck any pussy. Thanks for the help driver!
I ask him if there is streetwalker for a quick release, and he start to drive 7 to 10 km from city center and we find 4 ugly prostitutes. You have to pay me to fuck them.
I ask prices 900 UAH and you have to go to a sauna place to fuck them and add 300 UAH. Seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?
At the exact same moment I see a car going out of an alley and a girl goes out of the car. The guy got serviced in the corner.
So I totally know that my driver is fooling me.
I ask him to drive me back to the hotel. And call hottie 18 years old. But to make her wait at my hotel.
10 minutes later we meet at the hotel I pay him I pay her and go for a nice party with a hottie.
I booked her for 2 hours. 4000 uah plus 45 dollars to the driver. She has to be fucking good in bed for that price!
And the answer is: so so.
Condom for BJ, tight tight pussy but with huge lips. Shaved 3 days ago. No kissing, no DATY. Regular boring sex but with a hottie.
She was tight and the first round I came under 10 minutes, we then played with fingers back to shower back to sex back to shower.
Then she fucking fall asleep!
After 1 hour of sex she is sleeping! So I let her rest for 30 minutes, and then put my dick in her mouth as a wake up call.
First word: no condom no blowjob.
I am like yeah right so you refund me 30 minutes?
Well, long story short, I fuck her really hard until I see pain on her face and make her leave.
Expensive evening for not good sex, but I had a tour of 8 to 12 bordellos, 2 strip clubs and realized that you won't find a 9 or a 10 in a bordello. And there is not a lot of streetwalkers, (not sunny weather) and the one I found are ugly.
Plan of the day.
Massage rooms to check. Room delivery in the afternoon. Maybe arena tonight.
I sent 15 messages on mamba to girls saying:
Hey I am in Kiev right now if you want to have fun sex and make good money call me.
No answer.
Again I don't give a fuck to your damn judgement, I am too fucking busy! (Actually, the opposite: too busy, fucking).
Check this place out 2 nights ago. I saw Katerina for one hour. She was pretty, with good body. Solid 8. Went for the massage where you can kiss their body. She was slow to start but really got into it as it went on. The actually early massage was good and relaxing and the erotic massage was top notch. She wasn't just trying to get you off. She started and stopped, keeping me on edge. She let me play with her pussy and asshole but no insertion. I made the most of my time, waited for the knock on the door, and then blew a minute or two after. I highly recommend if massage is your thing.
Also, the place is super clean and decked out. The girl who greeted me, Kristina, spoke English very well and laid out all the options, including a lot of BDSM stuff. In any event, they have a menu which explains all the options in Russian and English. Again, I recommend. It was much better experience than Moulin rouge. While I understand its down to the girl you get, I get a good vibe from this place. I'm going back.
If any one can pm me the contact for the guy Alex who takes you around, I would appreciate it and report back in detail.
Thanks!
The brothel across the street from Dominoes charged me about 1200 back in May. Low quality and I would not repeat. The main tout seemed to be a young guy wearing a derby hat. He was always there on Basseina street after midnight.
Rammstein2
10-07-16, 15:10
Sorry but when I read. To 9 at 500 1000 gryvna I already stopped reading.
Probably you have very low expectation.
I come here from 2011. Sorry to say.
Sure thousand of girl but not so easy like you are saying.
That's why I walk everyday in Kiev and see old American and European fucking short barrel girl. Maybe you are one of them? Then come here and wrote you fuck model for 600 gryvna.Yes, of course its also a question of definition. What is a 9? For example you can take a woman with pretty face and beautiful body from Rio for 300 Euro and you get a covered BJ maybe an average sex performance and a punctually goodbye after 2 hours or maybe after finishing the first time. Maybe you and others will call this girl a nine without seeing the other points. I avoid these girls.
When I meet a girl frequently and when I am doing several things with her like having a dinner together etc; when I have timeless sex without limits with her and if it is not so important if I forgot to give her money after a meeting. If you get a good night and a good morning in Viber and if she also did some things for you like buying an Ukrainian SIM card or to buy some food and if she is around 20 years old and no profi and if this package is about 1.000 griwna a meeting. So I will give a 7 or a 8 looking girl a 9 !
Day 2 in Kiev.
So my Private guide gave me a contact to be my driver Oleg, nice guy around 30 years old 1 m90. The Ukrainian standard bodyguard. I took him to the hotel first to check him and talk prices and goal of the night.
We went on a 10 $/ h deal including car and gas.
So the evening started at 9. 00 and we went to Brothels that here are called Bordellos. The first one was right behind Hyatt hotel, 3 girls no hottie all wanted 2000 UAH for what I consider a 5 or 6 max.
My goal was to use him to check the houses and take addresses but I quickly realized that I won't get there. All doors have codes, and you need to call to get the code so. We went to 6 or 7 brothels every time the same process:
Call code go to door they open, 3 to 5 girls do a line up and you pick one. Avoid beer whisky or drinks there it is 200 to 500 uah for drinks. Just crazy stuff tourist trap!
We went to one bordello just in front of English embassy on first floor, they had 7 girls good looking (6 to 8 in my range) but the price went to 100 $ / hour which is a total no no for me.
I have 1000 to 1500 uah girls to my hotel room so no way I could pay 100 $ for those girls.
Anyways, we went to a bordello near Dominos Pizza, on 6th floor and it was the good news of the night.
Only one girl but young, fresh smiling, I totally wanted to bang her. But I was told 2 other girls will be there in 5 minutes so I waited.
5 minutes later 2 nice girls, (7 to 9) in the 20,s good firm body. I don't know which one to choose. The I am told that the first one is 18 years old with 5 days in the biz.
BS or not I pick her but then we talk price. 3000 uah / h. I negotiate but nothing under 2000. 2000 UAH and I am sure without BBBJ, pussy licking not for sure. Welcome in the "cheap" brothels in Kiev. With these prices and this quality of services (No BBBJ, No 69, and maybe no Pussy licking) Italy is going to be more interesting than Kiev for mongering in private apartments. At least there 69, BBBJ and pussy licking is including in the price. No surprise. And all that with a guide.
We can also see how mamba works well without work before coming. The result is no sex at all. Welcome to Kiev, the "pangkok" of Europe.
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 19:22
2000 UAH and I am sure without BBBJ, pussy licking not for sure. Welcome in the "cheap" brothels in Kiev. With these prices and this quality of services (No BBBJ, No 69, and maybe no Pussy licking) Italy is going to be more interesting than Kiev for mongering in private apartments. At least there 69, BBBJ and pussy licking is including in the price. No surprise. And all that with a guide.
We can also see how mamba works well without work before coming. The result is no sex at all. Welcome to Kiev, the "pangkok" of Europe.In Kiev brothels, no BBBJ, CIM, COF, pussy licking, etc is the standard and the normal.
This brings the question; why are these mongers here? Why don't they go to EE or western Europe? After all, there are more beautiful Ukrainian girls and beautiful girls of other nationalities there and where they'll get BBBJ.
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 19:33
Yes, of course its also a question of definition. What is a 9? For example you can take a woman with pretty face and beautiful body from Rio for 300 Euro and you get a covered BJ maybe an average sex performance and a punctually goodbye after 2 hours or maybe after finishing the first time. Maybe you and others will call this girl a nine without seeing the other points. I avoid these girls.
When I meet a girl frequently and when I am doing several things with her like having a dinner together etc; when I have timeless sex without limits with her and if it is not so important if I forgot to give her money after a meeting. If you get a good night and a good morning in Viber and if she also did some things for you like buying an Ukrainian SIM card or to buy some food and if she is around 20 years old and no profi and if this package is about 1.000 griwna a meeting. So I will give a 7 or a 8 looking girl a 9 !For most mongers, it's very very unlikely - 1000 UAH for a timeless meeting with a girl 20 year old Of looks 8 is more of a dream than reality these days in Kiev!
And if you forgot to pay! You'll be sure to remind you before they leave.
Most likely is. If a man can find one after hours of hard work and waiting (the type you're talking about) and if he is lucky, she'll come for 1 hour and leave quickly.
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 19:45
The brothel across the street from Dominoes charged me about 1200 back in May. Low quality and I would not repeat. The main tout seemed to be a young guy wearing a derby hat. He was always there on Basseina street after midnight.Prices of all types of girls from various venues in Kiev have gone significantly after the summer!
Even many of the previous ones we had increased their prices by a minimum of 50% to 100%.
Some even more than double their prices!
Apparently, there are many desperate and silly men being lured here by fictitious reports and end up paying prices comparable or higher than that of western Europe!
Obviously, many of these men have rarely seen a white pussy before.
One girl, whom I knew a long time, told me. She's getting paid 500 euros a day, just escorting around and having to endure only a 5 to 10 min. Sex!
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 19:55
Check this place out 2 nights ago. I saw Katerina for one hour. She was pretty, with good body. Solid 8. Went for the massage where you can kiss their body. She was slow to start but really got into it as it went on. The actually early massage was good and relaxing and the erotic massage was top notch. She wasn't just trying to get you off. She started and stopped, keeping me on edge. She let me play with her pussy and asshole but no insertion. I made the most of my time, waited for the knock on the door, and then blew a minute or two after. I highly recommend if massage is your thing.
Also, the place is super clean and decked out. The girl who greeted me, Kristina, spoke English very well and laid out all the options, including a lot of BDSM stuff. In any event, they have a menu which explains all the options in Russian and English. Again, I recommend. It was much better experience than Moulin rouge. While I understand its down to the girl you get, I get a good vibe from this place. I'm going back.
If any one can pm me the contact for the guy Alex who takes you around, I would appreciate it and report back in detail.
Thanks!That's just great!
Pay attention all you want to be Kiev mongers!
Spending all this money on airfare and hotels, end up in Massage Parlors with a hand job.
Don't you think it's better to just stay home and get a local provider for less because you'd save all this airfare and hotel expense?
And most importantly, you'll save time and not getting tired from long flights.
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 20:02
I think you might be better off getting a taxi driver to take you on a street walker tour, where the price for the ride and the girls are much cheaper and of comparable quality if he knows where to go.
I did it for 100 UAH.
If you don't see anything you like, they'll always refer you to a bunch of brothels, no extra charge.
Day 2 in Kiev.
So my Private guide gave me a contact to be my driver Oleg, nice guy around 30 years old 1 m90. The Ukrainian standard bodyguard. I took him to the hotel first to check him and talk prices and goal of the night.
We went on a 10 $/ h deal including car and gas.
So the evening started at 9. 00 and we went to Brothels that here are called Bordellos. The first one was right behind Hyatt hotel, 3 girls no hottie all wanted 2000 UAH for what I consider a 5 or 6 max.
My goal was to use him to check the houses and take addresses but I quickly realized that I won't get there. All doors have codes, and you need to call to get the code so. We went to 6 or 7 brothels every time the same process:
Call code go to door they open, 3 to 5 girls do a line up and you pick one. Avoid beer whisky or drinks there it is 200 to 500 uah for drinks. Just crazy stuff tourist trap!
We went to one bordello just in front of English embassy on first floor, they had 7 girls good looking (6 to 8 in my range) but the price went to 100 $ / hour which is a total no no for me.
I have 1000 to 1500 uah girls to my hotel room so no way I could pay 100 $ for those girls.
Anyways, we went to a bordello near Dominos Pizza, on 6th floor and it was the good news of the night.
Only one girl but young, fresh smiling, I totally wanted to bang her. But I was told 2 other girls will be there in 5 minutes so I waited.
5 minutes later 2 nice girls, (7 to 9) in the 20,s good firm body. I don't know which one to choose. The I am told that the first one is 18 years old with 5 days in the biz.
BS or not I pick her but then we talk price. 3000 uah / h. I negotiate but nothing under 2000.
I feel like my driver takes a cut on me because every time he talks he introduce himself as the driver or taxi.
So I decide not to bite to this hook and tell him we leave.
I talk with him and explain him that I don't feel he his helping.
So we go the Dolls strip club, 300 uah just to go in! I say no thanks, I just go inside and check the place.
It looks expensive 10 to 15 girls on the ground floor, lots of guys private room are just behind a small curtain with a body guard, I leave to Penthouse strip club.
It is a must do.
There is an elevator with a midget woman in her 50's dressed as a groom. You got to see this!
Anyway I go inside ask for a quick tour. 10 to 15 girls, hot ones but don't like atmosphere. A few want to be mobsters. I ask for prices 500 uah for private dances (10 minutes 2 songs) in VIP. Thanks mam and I leave.
Now we are around 12.00 and I didn't fuck any pussy. Thanks for the help driver!
I ask him if there is streetwalker for a quick release, and he start to drive 7 to 10 km from city center and we find 4 ugly prostitutes. You have to pay me to fuck them.
I ask prices 900 UAH and you have to go to a sauna place to fuck them and add 300 UAH. Seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?
At the exact same moment I see a car going out of an alley and a girl goes out of the car. The guy got serviced in the corner.
So I totally know that my driver is fooling me.
I ask him to drive me back to the hotel. And call hottie 18 years old. But to make her wait at my hotel.
10 minutes later we meet at the hotel I pay him I pay her and go for a nice party with a hottie.
I booked her for 2 hours. 4000 uah plus 45 dollars to the driver. She has to be fucking good in bed for that price!
And the answer is: so so.
Condom for BJ, tight tight pussy but with huge lips. Shaved 3 days ago. No kissing, no DATY. Regular boring sex but with a hottie.
She was tight and the first round I came under 10 minutes, we then played with fingers back to shower back to sex back to shower.
Then she fucking fall asleep!
After 1 hour of sex she is sleeping! So I let her rest for 30 minutes, and then put my dick in her mouth as a wake up call.
First word: no condom no blowjob.
I am like yeah right so you refund me 30 minutes?
Well, long story short, I fuck her really hard until I see pain on her face and make her leave.
Expensive evening for not good sex, but I had a tour of 8 to 12 bordellos, 2 strip clubs and realized that you won't find a 9 or a 10 in a bordello. And there is not a lot of streetwalkers, (not sunny weather) and the one I found are ugly.
Plan of the day.
Massage rooms to check. Room delivery in the afternoon. Maybe arena tonight.
I sent 15 messages on mamba to girls saying:
Hey I am in Kiev right now if you want to have fun sex and make good money call me.
No answer.
Again I don't give a fuck to your damn judgement, I am too fucking busy! (Actually, the opposite: too busy, fucking).
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 20:12
Just like some truthful reports have stated earlier: Kiev is not worth it! Friends and Fellow mongers.
Why, why you are still being lured to this no good pussy land and pay comparable or higher prices than other better places??
Day 2 in Kiev.
So my Private guide gave me a contact to be my driver Oleg, nice guy around 30 years old 1 m90. The Ukrainian standard bodyguard. I took him to the hotel first to check him and talk prices and goal of the night.
We went on a 10 $/ h deal including car and gas.
So the evening started at 9. 00 and we went to Brothels that here are called Bordellos. The first one was right behind Hyatt hotel, 3 girls no hottie all wanted 2000 UAH for what I consider a 5 or 6 max.
My goal was to use him to check the houses and take addresses but I quickly realized that I won't get there. All doors have codes, and you need to call to get the code so. We went to 6 or 7 brothels every time the same process:
Call code go to door they open, 3 to 5 girls do a line up and you pick one. Avoid beer whisky or drinks there it is 200 to 500 uah for drinks. Just crazy stuff tourist trap!
We went to one bordello just in front of English embassy on first floor, they had 7 girls good looking (6 to 8 in my range) but the price went to 100 $ / hour which is a total no no for me.
I have 1000 to 1500 uah girls to my hotel room so no way I could pay 100 $ for those girls.
Anyways, we went to a bordello near Dominos Pizza, on 6th floor and it was the good news of the night.
Only one girl but young, fresh smiling, I totally wanted to bang her. But I was told 2 other girls will be there in 5 minutes so I waited.
5 minutes later 2 nice girls, (7 to 9) in the 20,s good firm body. I don't know which one to choose. The I am told that the first one is 18 years old with 5 days in the biz.
BS or not I pick her but then we talk price. 3000 uah / h. I negotiate but nothing under 2000.
I feel like my driver takes a cut on me because every time he talks he introduce himself as the driver or taxi.
So I decide not to bite to this hook and tell him we leave.
I talk with him and explain him that I don't feel he his helping.
So we go the Dolls strip club, 300 uah just to go in! I say no thanks, I just go inside and check the place.
It looks expensive 10 to 15 girls on the ground floor, lots of guys private room are just behind a small curtain with a body guard, I leave to Penthouse strip club.
It is a must do.
There is an elevator with a midget woman in her 50's dressed as a groom. You got to see this!
Anyway I go inside ask for a quick tour. 10 to 15 girls, hot ones but don't like atmosphere. A few want to be mobsters. I ask for prices 500 uah for private dances (10 minutes 2 songs) in VIP. Thanks mam and I leave.
Now we are around 12.00 and I didn't fuck any pussy. Thanks for the help driver!
I ask him if there is streetwalker for a quick release, and he start to drive 7 to 10 km from city center and we find 4 ugly prostitutes. You have to pay me to fuck them.
I ask prices 900 UAH and you have to go to a sauna place to fuck them and add 300 UAH. Seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?
At the exact same moment I see a car going out of an alley and a girl goes out of the car. The guy got serviced in the corner.
So I totally know that my driver is fooling me.
I ask him to drive me back to the hotel. And call hottie 18 years old. But to make her wait at my hotel.
10 minutes later we meet at the hotel I pay him I pay her and go for a nice party with a hottie.
I booked her for 2 hours. 4000 uah plus 45 dollars to the driver. She has to be fucking good in bed for that price!
And the answer is: so so.
Condom for BJ, tight tight pussy but with huge lips. Shaved 3 days ago. No kissing, no DATY. Regular boring sex but with a hottie.
She was tight and the first round I came under 10 minutes, we then played with fingers back to shower back to sex back to shower.
Then she fucking fall asleep!
After 1 hour of sex she is sleeping! So I let her rest for 30 minutes, and then put my dick in her mouth as a wake up call.
First word: no condom no blowjob.
I am like yeah right so you refund me 30 minutes?
Well, long story short, I fuck her really hard until I see pain on her face and make her leave.
Expensive evening for not good sex, but I had a tour of 8 to 12 bordellos, 2 strip clubs and realized that you won't find a 9 or a 10 in a bordello. And there is not a lot of streetwalkers, (not sunny weather) and the one I found are ugly.
Plan of the day.
Massage rooms to check. Room delivery in the afternoon. Maybe arena tonight.
I sent 15 messages on mamba to girls saying:
Hey I am in Kiev right now if you want to have fun sex and make good money call me.
No answer.
Again I don't give a fuck to your damn judgement, I am too fucking busy! (Actually, the opposite: too busy, fucking).
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 20:16
Probably your standard are pretty low? Maybe that's the difference? Nothing to do with money or me. I always had even free beautiful girl. Simply I told the truth.
Kiev is falling down.
I still enjoy here but is the sad truth.Yeah, sadly, many mongers in Kiev have low self-esteem thus low standard of beauty reference and end up paying high prices.
Kiev is plunging fast as far as mongering goes!
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 20:24
Sorry but when I read. To 9 at 500 1000 gryvna I already stopped reading.
Probably you have very low expectation.
I come here from 2011. Sorry to say.
Sure thousand of girl but not so easy like you are saying.
That's why I walk everyday in Kiev and see old American and European fucking short barrel girl. Maybe you are one of them? Then come here and wrote you fuck model for 600 gryvna.Right, probably old American and European fucking short barrel girls and pushed up prices significantly even for these short barrel girls. Low self-esteem and desperation probably the cause.
Almost all the good-looking pussies have long left Kiev. Now, you'll most likely find then in Western Europe, Dubai, Asia, England, etc.
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 20:29
Sorry but when I read. To 9 at 500 1000 gryvna I already stopped reading.
Probably you have very low expectation.
I come here from 2011. Sorry to say.
Sure thousand of girl but not so easy like you are saying.
That's why I walk everyday in Kiev and see old American and European fucking short barrel girl. Maybe you are one of them? Then come here and wrote you fuck model for 600 gryvna.I agree, WTF, fuck model for 600 gryvna. It's wishful thinking! Simply ridiculous! Please multiply that number by 15.
CallSign Papa
10-08-16, 20:31
Almost all the good-looking pussies have long left Kiev. Now, you'll most likely find then in Western Europe, Dubai, Asia, England, etc.Have you been to Kiev in the last 3 months? I have, 4 times, and I'm calling bullshit. To say the good looking pussies have all left is utter nonsense.
We get it, you don't like Kiev. No-one is forcing you to go.
Harry Hardman
10-08-16, 20:42
Girls' prices went up significantly after the summer.
Almost all girls realized that and they increase their prices too by at least 50% to 100%.
One girl I met from a year ago increased her price 5 times!
Kiev is no longer a good place for mongering, even for averaging looking girls.
BTW, most good-looking ones have long gone to other countries and are working there.
Even most of the old contacts are jacking up prices significantly.
So, for newbies or wanna be Kiev mongers, forget about Kiev because you'd much better off going to other countries, where you'll get a better price / quality.
Here from 24 September. Planned back 17 already anticipated my flight at 11.
-Girl: work some old contact even for free. One great girl of 18 with superb boobs and body coming from village in September. I chatted with her all summer she's from small village. She went Kiev 8 September. I knew I should have come here 9 because 24 could have been already late and it was. 2 good meeting than begun the impossible asking. My friend is taking 500 dollar bla bla. A men offer me bla bla.
CallSign Papa
10-08-16, 20:50
Girls' prices went up significantly after the summer.
For you the prices went up.
The rest of us seem to be getting it at the same price as always.
There are always going to be idiots willing to pay the silly prices *some* girls quote. Those of us with restraint and experience know where the value is in the market. Gia has never been VFM, so what?
Rammstein2
10-08-16, 23:01
Harry Hardman seemed to have something like a seed jam 😂 Better use your power to search good girls for less money in Kiev! You should not be frustrated to be alone in your bed all time. Sometime it also happened to me (one time a week).
DramaFree11
10-09-16, 02:49
I agree 100%. For girls Kiev is one of the worst place in the world to go now, especially for someone that has no local knowledge or contacts. If you like hanging out with Fat Turkish guys and Turkish guys pretending to be Italian Guys, the place is great! The city is beautiful, but most of the smart and attractive locals are long gone.
Harry Hardman
10-09-16, 11:00
For you the prices went up.
The rest of us seem to be getting it at the same price as always.
There are always going to be idiots willing to pay the silly prices *some* girls quote. Those of us with restraint and experience know where the value is in the market. Gia has never been VFM, so what?Yeah, for me and others too. No offense. Those of you seem to be just you and one or two other whom quite a few senior members have questioned the validity of their reports.
Harry Hardman
10-09-16, 11:05
Have you been to Kiev in the last 3 months? I have, 4 times, and I'm calling bullshit. To say the good looking pussies have all left is utter nonsense.
We get it, you don't like Kiev. No-one is forcing you to go.You were here 4 times: so what? Each time, a couple of days, a week or two?
I have been in Kiev long time, and I am here now and reporting it in live!
Why are you so upset? Do you belong to the group of mongers whom LuisVega11 was writing about?
I didn't write "all"! I wrote "almost all". Please don't put words in my mouth.
Please don't elude naive, innocent mongers who have higher standards of beauty and wants young girls.
MartinReunion
10-09-16, 11:19
Did anyone keep track of this girl? Deleted profile on mamba.
Thanks for info on her whereabouts.
I contacted Milana on mamba today and she reassured me her photos are real. She initially shook me off thinking I was not in Kiev until I gave her my address and Ukrainian number.
She then insisted I give her my email address so she can send her price, not sure if you went through all this with her.
2500 HR.
4500 2 hrs.
700 Anal.
Good luck!
Harry Hardman
10-09-16, 11:31
- City: Especially in center. Air impossible to breathe. I felt unhealthy from 3 day and still feel so tired someday without any explanation. Sometimes I walk and seems like something thick enter the mouth. I love Kiev but is getting worst and worst. Luckily I stay near a park so can jog everyday.
Yeah, the air quality is awful, full of pollution everywhere.
You can not get a breath of fresh even in the park because there are always people smoking everywhere, even in the park and inside your building which permeates secondarily cigarette smoke into your apartment and stinks it up!
For nonsmokers, it's definitely a terrible place.
As soon as I got out of the building, I can smell pollution and always some awful smells on the streets. I am talking about the prime areas in the center.
I too felt unhealthy and so tired most days without any explanation.
It's good to hear I am not the only one.
Harry Hardman
10-09-16, 11:43
You are right about the nightlife and the everything you wrote in your report below.
There is no nightlife. Just a bunch of workaholics. Many people and girls I know work, work and work many hours. One girl wrote me that she works from 8:00 to 23:00 in a store!
The online game is awful, "Zero online game".
Best pussies are definitely gone forever.
You are right the problem is many mongers here now seem to have very low standards, and you can just tell by reading some reaction to my Kiev reports.
Here from 24 September. Planned back 17 already anticipated my flight at 11.
-Girl: work some old contact even for free. One great girl of 18 with superb boobs and body coming from village in September. I chatted with her all summer she's from small village. She went Kiev 8 September. I knew I should have come here 9 because 24 could have been already late and it was. 2 good meeting than begun the impossible asking. My friend is taking 500 dollar bla bla. A men offer me bla bla.
Conclusion: I will come back? Maybe. I always say no but always come back. I suggest to come? No. Everywhere is nothing. Zero online game. Even mamba if you search for active contact is practically non existent. Sure you can find some cheap girl but quality is super low. Is getting cold and people will not even have money to go out anywhere. Best pussy are gone forever in any other country, miss the time when you walk in Kiev and turn heads like 100 tikes a minute. Now if I turn 10 times hours is enough. I can have big standard maybe but this is the sad truth about a place that was a paradise of pussy.
CallSign Papa
10-09-16, 14:33
You were here 4 times: so what? Each time, a couple of days, a week or two?
I've been going to Kiev since 2004 including a six month spell living in the city. I know my way around, I know the way it was and I know the way it is now. Your posts do not reflect my experiences or the experience of the mongers I see / speak to in Kiev. Sorry you're having a bad time there, have you ever thought the problem might be you?
People who suggest that you used to be able to just turn up to kiev 10 years ago and be rolling in pussy are perpetuating a myth. Kiev takes work, but the rewards are worth it.
If you're a first time visitor to kiev you had better have developed a good contact network before you arrive. Dating sites and social media have always been (for me) the easiest and best way of accessing young hot girls. The nightlife in Kiev is fun, but even in the old days, if you were a foreigner hunting solo, you were treated with suspicion until you could prove otherwise (unless you were at the RP).
The fact it, Kiev isn't a decent mongering destination for people who don't speak at least basic Russian (and Ukrainian is better these days). Agencies are hit (and mostly miss), strip clubs are expensive (for takeout) and there isn't a "red light" area like Bangkok or Frankfurt. You have to make your own luck, and it takes time and patience, the same as it's always been, and anyone telling you any different is bullshitting.
Harry Hardman
10-09-16, 16:47
I've been going to Kiev since 2004 including a six month spell living in the city. I know my way around, I know the way it was and I know the way it is now. Your posts do not reflect my experiences or the experience of the mongers I see / speak to in Kiev. Sorry you're having a bad time there, have you ever thought the problem might be you?
People who suggest that you used to be able to just turn up to kiev 10 years ago and be rolling in pussy are perpetuating a myth. Kiev takes work.
The fact it, Kiev isn't a decent mongering destination for people who don't speak at least basic Russian (and Ukrainian is better these days). Agencies are hit (and mostly miss), strip clubs are expensive (for takeout) and there isn't a "red light" area like Bangkok or Frankfurt. You have to make your own luck, and it takes time and patience, the same as it's always been, and anyone telling you any different is bullshitting.Thanks for your polite response).
I am sure you know your way around) I can see why you can still get your ways.
My posts do reflect the experiences of most mongers in Kiev, especially the newbies or the want to be Kiev mongers, though they don't reflect yours.
My experience stated in my posts is supported by other posts from other senior members. Most mongers here don't have a 12 years of network as you do. Neither do they have the language fluency as you do, and etc.
I simply wrote to bring attention to those mongers; so they won't be eluded if they so chose to come here.
You really should not be reading my posts and try to relate them to yourself but try to put yourself in the shoes of those mongers who have less years of network or are the new comers.
Thanks again for your politeness.
CallSign Papa
10-09-16, 17:35
My posts do reflect the experiences of most mongers in Kiev, especially the newbies or the want to be Kiev mongers, though they don't reflect yours.You know this how exactly?
Read my previous posts related to Kiev and you'll see that most of them contain information to help first time visitors. That's what this site is for.
Can you also please clarify what you meant by senior members questioning the validity of my reports? News to me.
Well gentlemen, the last time I was in Kiev was in April 2014. It was my second time there and I had a great time both times. After that I started going to Russia and, although Russia was an amazing social experiment, and I ended up dating and bedding about a dozen "regular" girls aged 19-30 (only one ever asked for any "help" and it was a ridiculously small amount for the amount of fun I had with her), I have been saying once I lost my last girlfriend, I would return to Kiev. That time has come.
Now I have read so many reports about how bad things are in Kiev. How the good looking girls are all gone and how mongering has become a challenging endeavor. But it seems to me that most of the people making these reports are not going at it the right way. In Russia, almost every girl I was with after my first visit were through contacts I had from previous visits. I built relationships through relationships. I started seeing friends of friends.
It seems to me that everyone is complaining about high prices, bad agencies and apartments, expensive strip clubs and everything else. To say that all the opportunities in Kiev are gone and all the smart and pretty girls have left the city is absurd. Ukraine is an extremely poor country and there are plenty of beautiful girls around. I believe the trick is not meeting girls on Mamba, or online. I believe the trick to meeting "regular" girls is through making contacts and building relationships. As such, I am going to try a social experiment that I will try to share with this group. It will take time and money, and I will certainly sleep alone many nights, but I believe I can quickly build a solid core of girls that will feed an indefinite supply of contacts for as long as I want to keep going there (assuming Ukraine doesn't become a member of the EU).
I am 48 and certainly not a good looking guy. I don't have a nice smile and I don't have a deep voice. I am tall and have a damn good body for my age and I dress well, I am smart, and I am confident but caring and attentive. I believe I can bed at least two 7+ normal girls in the 11 days I will be there later this month. I believe the contacts I make will grow as I return to the city.
I think you new mongers to the city are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It does take work and time, but I think that time is not well spent on Mamba. Figure out how to make contacts, andbuild on those contacts. I assure you, opportunities will arise. Not every girl wants to move away from Kiev, and there are plenty of girls that would love someone to treat them well, even if only part time.
This is my belief. I will let you know how the experiment goes.
Rammstein2
10-09-16, 21:25
Kiev takes work, but the rewards are worth it. If you're a first time visitor to kiev you had better have developed a good contact network before you arrive. Dating sites and social media have always been (for me) the easiest and best way of accessing young hot girls.That's 100 % true! The very most foreigners who are coming to Kiev are not able or willing to spent so many time and work for looking girls.
Well gentlemen, the last time I was in Kiev was in April 2014. It was my second time there and I had a great time both times. After that I started going to Russia and, although Russia was an amazing social experiment, and I ended up dating and bedding about a dozen "regular" girls aged 19-30 (only one ever asked for any "help" and it was a ridiculously small amount for the amount of fun I had with her), I have been saying once I lost my last girlfriend, I would return to Kiev. That time has come.
Now I have read so many reports about how bad things are in Kiev. How the good looking girls are all gone and how mongering has become a challenging endeavor. But it seems to me that most of the people making these reports are not going at it the right way. In Russia, almost every girl I was with after my first visit were through contacts I had from previous visits. I built relationships through relationships. I started seeing friends of friends.
It seems to me that everyone is complaining about high prices, bad agencies and apartments, expensive strip clubs and everything else. To say that all the opportunities in Kiev are gone and all the smart and pretty girls have left the city is absurd. Ukraine is an extremely poor country and there are plenty of beautiful girls around. I believe the trick is not meeting girls on Mamba, or online. I believe the trick to meeting "regular" girls is through making contacts and building relationships. As such, I am going to try a social experiment that I will try to share with this group. It will take time and money, and I will certainly sleep alone many nights, but I believe I can quickly build a solid core of girls that will feed an indefinite supply of contacts for as long as I want to keep going there (assuming Ukraine doesn't become a member of the EU).
I am 48 and certainly not a good looking guy. I don't have a nice smile and I don't have a deep voice. I am tall and have a damn good body for my age and I dress well, I am smart, and I am confident but caring and attentive. I believe I can bed at least two 7+ normal girls in the 11 days I will be there later this month. I believe the contacts I make will grow as I return to the city.
I think you new mongers to the city are looking at it from the wrong perspective. It does take work and time, but I think that time is not well spent on Mamba. Figure out how to make contacts, andbuild on those contacts. I assure you, opportunities will arise. Not every girl wants to move away from Kiev, and there are plenty of girls that would love someone to treat them well, even if only part time.
This is my belief. I will let you know how the experiment goes.One expat, that has been living in Russia and in Kiev, told me that it was easier to date in Moscow than in Kiev. Some others expats working in Kiev told me how hard it was for them to get a girlfriend. They were surprised about that. I think you have an asset if you come from Poland and you understand Russian or Ukrainian. So you can meet another kind of girls, that haven't met so many foreigners. However be ready to be pinned, seen as a sex tourist. Furthermore foreigners are not the novelty they once were and many of these girls are Westernized.
Of course if you plan to bed some girls from 30 to 50 years old, well you must succeed. But if you prefer younger girls like I do, it will be so much easier for white guys to go to Central and South America, Africa and Asia, well nearly half of the world. Your whiteness has no value in Ukraine, but it's a big asset on these 3 continents, where you can definitely with some hard work bedding a few 18-30 years old girls.
Anyway let us know how your experiment goes.
Harry Hardman
10-10-16, 10:35
You know this how exactly?
Read my previous posts related to Kiev and you'll see that most of them contain information to help first time visitors. That's what this site is for.
Can you also please clarify what you meant by senior members questioning the validity of my reports? News to me.If you've read my reports carefully, I never said they questioned the validity of your reports but the reports of others painting a rosy picture of the mongering scene here recently.
If you would mention about the tons of time and years of work you had to put in to get the experience in your reports, it'd be great and it will certainly help those who will get eluded otherwise.
I've been going to Kiev since 2004 including a six month spell living in the city. I know my way around, I know the way it was and I know the way it is now. Your posts do not reflect my experiences or the experience of the mongers I see / speak to in Kiev. Sorry you're having a bad time there, have you ever thought the problem might be you?
People who suggest that you used to be able to just turn up to kiev 10 years ago and be rolling in pussy are perpetuating a myth. Kiev takes work, but the rewards are worth it.
If you're a first time visitor to kiev you had better have developed a good contact network before you arrive. Dating sites and social media have always been (for me) the easiest and best way of accessing young hot girls. The nightlife in Kiev is fun, but even in the old days, if you were a foreigner hunting solo, you were treated with suspicion until you could prove otherwise (unless you were at the RP).
The fact it, Kiev isn't a decent mongering destination for people who don't speak at least basic Russian (and Ukrainian is better these days). Agencies are hit (and mostly miss), strip clubs are expensive (for takeout) and there isn't a "red light" area like Bangkok or Frankfurt. You have to make your own luck, and it takes time and patience, the same as it's always been, and anyone telling you any different is bullshitting.
Thanks for your polite response).
I am sure you know your way around) I can see why you can still get your ways.
My posts do reflect the experiences of most mongers in Kiev, especially the newbies or the want to be Kiev mongers, though they don't reflect yours.
My experience stated in my posts is supported by other posts from other senior members. Most mongers here don't have a 12 years of network as you do. Neither do they have the language fluency as you do, and etc.
I simply wrote to bring attention to those mongers; so they won't be eluded if they so chose to come here.
You really should not be reading my posts and try to relate them to yourself but try to put yourself in the shoes of those mongers who have less years of network or are the new comers.
Thanks again for your politeness.Both meaningful posts.
CallSign Papa
10-10-16, 16:29
If you would mention about the tons of time and years of work you had to put in to get the experience in your reports, it'd be great and it will certainly help those who will get eluded otherwise.Then we are both in agreement that the first time monger who arrives having done no preparation is doomed to failure. But my point is that this has always been the case. It isn't a recent thing. I do not agree that all the best girls have left at any greater rate than previously (although I hear Ukrainians aren't far way from getting access to EU travel, so that definitely will change things).
I live in Dubai and I can tell you that we've had no influx of pretty young Ukrainian girls. There have always been some here, they come and go.
What irks me, is that we get post after post of "Kiev is shit these days, don't come", with no responsibility being taken. It's the city's fault, not the poster's lack of prep or wherewithal.
I'm old and grumpy, it could just be that.
Harry Hardman
10-10-16, 16:54
Both meaningful posts.Thanks for your comment.
Harry Hardman
10-10-16, 17:06
I just want to add that it's not just the first time monger who arrives having done no preparation is doomed to failure but also the mongers that don't have your kind of extensive experience and network will also be disappointed now (after this summer).
The pay off rate is very low now even if the first time monger who arrives having done good preparation.
The pay off rate is much lower for mongers who's been here from 2013 to 2016 than that for the mongers who'd been here 2004 to 2007, for the same length of time!
The pay-off is even much lower now than that of last year for most mongers!
I was surprised after this summer.
Then we are both in agreement that the first time monger who arrives having done no preparation is doomed to failure. But my point is that this has always been the case. It isn't a recent thing. I do not agree that all the best girls have left at any greater rate than previously (although I hear Ukrainians aren't far way from getting access to EU travel, so that definitely will change things).
I live in Dubai and I can tell you that we've had no influx of pretty young Ukrainian girls. There have always been some here, they come and go.
What irks me, is that we get post after post of "Kiev is shit these days, don't come", with no responsibility being taken. It's the city's fault, not the poster's lack of prep or wherewithal.
I'm old and grumpy, it could just be that.
After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.
So in Kiev we arrive on Thursday for first time in Kiev and went to Arena complex around 22 00 was almost dead we eat something and around 2330 went to shooters, I been in Bangkok for a year so I was looking for the freelance girls you find a BKK, so that day was Salsa day ratio was 1 boy 1 girl, girls between 7 and 9, but average 7, everybody dancing Latino music, I am very bad dancing but suddenly an 8 jump on me to dance and I think bingo lucky day, but she just wanted to dance no drink no anything, so I keep on trying many girls but they only want to dance, I also I do not find any other tourist to find if is any kind of code or anything. So I did not came here to work as hell, so we go back home and go to the net, do not do that, we call 800 grinas hour girls, we order 4 hours, it came a 3 (20) and a 5 (21), we both take the five and 2 hours later send them home. So first day a total disaster.
Next day we try the street, seems like the normal girls do not have money to go out, is possible to arrange dates, but we do not have time for that, I am talking girls that can be 7 or 8.
In the night we go to De luxe, since everybody said you could find working girls there. We get in and find many 8 and 9, the ratio is bad 2 guys 1 girl also some tourist from turkey and the others from Europe, everybody we the some plan. I see two nine without a drink with max 20 years old, we approach and they take the offer asking right away for champagne, we buy Prosseco since they did not have a clew what was champagne, the finish the drink and disappear, then we start again, I start to talk with a girl from Ukraine on 3 day holidays in Kiev and she tell me is tired that everybody think she is working meanwhile I talk to her more guys approach her is crazy, I talk all the girls available but no case, I take a trip to see who is having girls, and are only the ones having more than 3 bottles in the table, I get the idea to change club and try to check Caribbean club.
In the way out approach another tourist, they been in Caribbean club on Thursday and they tell me sucks, come with us we going to check a Strip club, I read here you can pay for a girl there so why not check it out, I take a car with them and since I read here you can get girls for 2000 grinas I ask the driver about that he said no problem, he leave the guys in the strip club and take me to an apartment since I tired and is late in the first apartment we find 3 sevens, I take one home for 100 grinas extra so everything 2100.
I take the drivers number so the next day before going out we go to checks apartments this time I pay attention, and this one is good for everyone if you are outside arena club, or vapiano or the Ferrari store, you looking to this places go to the left is the last door before the corner, you just ring and is those places where you take a drink and the girl dance, important do not order a drink a corona cost me 500 grinas.
Prices here are 1600 grinas for 6 or 7 or 2600 for 7 to 9, I got 1 from here 21 was an 8 she was amazing. Always 100 extra to take her home.
After that we go to Indigo I like it more than De luxe since the ratio was 1 to 1, we try here but we only find one working girl but was a 6, in this place you can see at least 10 nines many 7 and 8, it was some Turkish tourist is like you find them everywhere. This club is nice to have fun, I liked is clean friendly people but we could not get anything.
Then I say we do not try Forsage everybody is saying is the students club, I assume there must be the working girls, since all the ones I got were students. We get there the public is younger, cheaper, in the basement nice dance floor with non electronic commercial music but un ratio 3 boys 2 girls and not many beautiful, first floor many African and Turkish tourist again with Latino music ratio there is bad also quality, then second floor pop music ratio 1 to 1 and you could find some 9 but no one alone we try the 7 same of them are friendly some not but again we are tired so we give up.
I only recommend that club if you like electronic music, DJ was very good the some for the crowd in the basement they were having fun, the same at indigo but more commercial and upscale.
Even I did not went I heard a lot about Heaven between 6 am and 10 to have fun in after hour.
So coming back to the apartments another one that I remember is Velyka Vas street the building beside the restaurant puzata hata, the left one, in the 6 floor, you find many 7 some 8 and if you are lucky a 9 this place is 1500 grinas hour, just wait somebody go out and climb the 6 floor the left one.
So what I felt is take a one night stand and I not much easier that in another place is only that you have more money here, I see you could get nice dating but you need time for that, meaning you could get a hooter girlfriend that back home, then go for the girls is use in between 60 usd and 100 usd hour. So if you do not know anybody go outside a club find a driver that know the apartments and he will take you to a tour, he will get a commission from the agency around 500 grinas, so offer to pay 500 to him and get cheaper rate in the agency, if not the agency will charge full price every time you go.
My friend and many others recommend me the erotic massages, I did not tried but heard that is cheap and good 2 hours.
So despite that Kiev is a nice city to discover if you never been, is not many tourist, you can have for not to much money and the if you want the easy just go to the apartments and pick a girl because if you are not Brad Pitt or Justin no one will jump on you, if it was a time in Kiev that girls jump on you no does time are over.
http://www.politico.eu/article/sex-tourists-ukraine-staying-away-turks-human-rights/
Worth reading.
After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.
So in Kiev we arrive on Thursday for first time in Kiev and went to Arena complex around 22 00 was almost dead we eat something and around 2330 went to shooters, I been in Bangkok for a year so I was looking for the freelance girls you find a BKK, so that day was Salsa day ratio was 1 boy 1 girl, girls between 7 and 9, but average 7, everybody dancing Latino music, I am very bad dancing but suddenly an 8 jump on me to dance and I think bingo lucky day, but she just wanted to dance no drink no anything, so I keep on trying many girls but they only want to dance, I also I do not find any other tourist to find if is any kind of code or anything. So I did not came here to work as hell, so we go back home and go to the net, do not do that, we call 800 grinas hour girls, we order 4 hours, it came a 3 (20) and a 5 (21), we both take the five and 2 hours later send them home. So first day a total disaster.
Next day we try the street, seems like the normal girls do not have money to go out, is possible to arrange dates, but we do not have time for that, I am talking girls that can be 7 or 8.
In the night we go to De luxe, since everybody said you could find working girls there. We get in and find many 8 and 9, the ratio is bad 2 guys 1 girl also some tourist from turkey and the others from Europe, everybody we the some plan. I see two nine without a drink with max 20 years old, we approach and they take the offer asking right away for champagne, we buy Prosseco since they did not have a clew what was champagne, the finish the drink and disappear, then we start again, I start to talk with a girl from Ukraine on 3 day holidays in Kiev and she tell me is tired that everybody think she is working meanwhile I talk to her more guys approach her is crazy, I talk all the girls available but no case, I take a trip to see who is having girls, and are only the ones having more than 3 bottles in the table, I get the idea to change club and try to check Caribbean club.
In the way out approach another tourist, they been in Caribbean club on Thursday and they tell me sucks, come with us we going to check a Strip club, I read here you can pay for a girl there so why not check it out, I take a car with them and since I read here you can get girls for 2000 grinas I ask the driver about that he said no problem, he leave the guys in the strip club and take me to an apartment since I tired and is late in the first apartment we find 3 sevens, I take one home for 100 grinas extra so everything 2100.
I take the drivers number so the next day before going out we go to checks apartments this time I pay attention, and this one is good for everyone if you are outside arena club, or vapiano or the Ferrari store, you looking to this places go to the left is the last door before the corner, you just ring and is those places where you take a drink and the girl dance, important do not order a drink a corona cost me 500 grinas.
Prices here are 1600 grinas for 6 or 7 or 2600 for 7 to 9, I got 1 from here 21 was an 8 she was amazing. Always 100 extra to take her home.
After that we go to Indigo I like it more than De luxe since the ratio was 1 to 1, we try here but we only find one working girl but was a 6, in this place you can see at least 10 nines many 7 and 8, it was some Turkish tourist is like you find them everywhere. This club is nice to have fun, I liked is clean friendly people but we could not get anything.
Then I say we do not try Forsage everybody is saying is the students club, I assume there must be the working girls, since all the ones I got were students. We get there the public is younger, cheaper, in the basement nice dance floor with non electronic commercial music but un ratio 3 boys 2 girls and not many beautiful, first floor many African and Turkish tourist again with Latino music ratio there is bad also quality, then second floor pop music ratio 1 to 1 and you could find some 9 but no one alone we try the 7 same of them are friendly some not but again we are tired so we give up.
I only recommend that club if you like electronic music, DJ was very good the some for the crowd in the basement they were having fun, the same at indigo but more commercial and upscale.
Even I did not went I heard a lot about Heaven between 6 am and 10 to have fun in after hour.
So coming back to the apartments another one that I remember is Velyka Vas street the building beside the restaurant puzata hata, the left one, in the 6 floor, you find many 7 some 8 and if you are lucky a 9 this place is 1500 grinas hour, just wait somebody go out and climb the 6 floor the left one.
So what I felt is take a one night stand and I not much easier that in another place is only that you have more money here, I see you could get nice dating but you need time for that, meaning you could get a hooter girlfriend that back home, then go for the girls is use in between 60 usd and 100 usd hour. So if you do not know anybody go outside a club find a driver that know the apartments and he will take you to a tour, he will get a commission from the agency around 500 grinas, so offer to pay 500 to him and get cheaper rate in the agency, if not the agency will charge full price every time you go.
My friend and many others recommend me the erotic massages, I did not tried but heard that is cheap and good 2 hours.
So despite that Kiev is a nice city to discover if you never been, is not many tourist, you can have for not to much money and the if you want the easy just go to the apartments and pick a girl because if you are not Brad Pitt or Justin no one will jump on you, if it was a time in Kiev that girls jump on you no does time are over.Good report about the private apartments in Kiev.
Was BBBJ included in the price mentionned? I don't think so. Every time I was in that kind of flats, I had to pay an extra at least the fourth of the price. So when you pay 1500 UAH and with an extra of 500 for BBBJ = 2000 UAH, so more than 70 Euros. So still more expensive than many brothels or apartments in Germany and in Spain. There it's usually around 50-60 Euros for 30 minutes with BBBJ included. And you don't have to pay someone to go to the address, you don't risk to have some problems with the police like some guys told about it.
If you have to come in Kiev for private or professional reasons, that's still a good deal once in a while. However if you are coming from Western Europe or the USA or Asia to enjoy these prices, I don't think that's a bargain.
It's also interesting to see in your report, how hard it is to bring back home normal girls in the street or in discos even for a good looking guy, that has maybe more success at home.
I've been to Forsage, forget it. I didn't find any working girls there and nobody was impressed if you are from Western Europe or from the USA.
CallSign Papa
10-13-16, 04:20
After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.If you came to Kiev specifically for pussy, and you did zero prep or research, this is exactly what happens.
Day 2 in Kiev.
BS or not I pick her but then we talk price. 3000 uah / h. I negotiate but nothing under 2000..Why so expensive?
I found a few escorts agencies on internet and then called them and they confirm that the price is from 400 UAH to 600 UAH an hour.
1 $ = 26 UAH. I called not just 1 agency but 5 escort agencies.
Why so expensive?
I found a few escorts agencies on internet and then called them and they confirm that the price is from 400 UAH to 600 UAH an hour.
1 $ = 26 UAH. I called not just 1 agency but 5 escort agencies.And every agency has "real" photos in the internet. ?
The price 400/600 UAH is true. But they will try to charge you for every extra + The quality of the girls will be low. Better if you don't expect anything.
They post the photos to make the customers horny. Most of the photos even don't show the type of the girls that they offer.
If you call for a blonde slim beauty the chance is higher that they send a 40 year old Brunette (fat, of course) instead of a super-model.
Don't try to argue with "I send the girl home without any payment". After the 3rd, 4th, 5th girl you have to accept that kind of business-methods.
More and more I find the general spirit in this forum a bit discomforting.
To go to Kiev to find escorts for 25 € (of which the girl will receive 10 to 12 €) should not be the standard by which to judge a city. And the chase for freebies will depend, as has been mentioned countless times before, on at least some sort of interest for the place, the culture and the conditions of living (not to speak of personal appearance and general degree of humanity).
For escort in Kiev I usually go to Backpage. There are some interesting semi agencies and also the occasional individual girl. Prices start at 2000 UAH per hour, and with a few extras for another 1000 you can get a very uninhibited GFE, OWO and CIM which is not cheap anymore, but frankly way beyond what you can get for that money in Western Europe. Read the ads, and if you have some sense for nuance you will find the girls I am talking about.
For all the other dreams you have to work the dating and travel websites, which are still very rewarding if you have the patience. And a walk on Kreshatyk or an afternoon in a cafe on Bessarabskaya can still pay off, if you are confident and don't appear too needy.
And every agency has "real" photos in the internet. ?
The price 400/600 UAH is true. But they will try to charge you for every extra + The quality of the girls will be low. Better if you don't expect anything.
They post the photos to make the customers horny. Most of the photos even don't show the type of the girls that they offer.
If you call for a blonde slim beauty the chance is higher that they send a 40 year old Brunette (fat, of course) instead of a super-model.
Don't try to argue with "I send the girl home without any payment". After the 3rd, 4th, 5th girl you have to accept that kind of business-methods.Honestly I haven't been there myself. What I did is sitting in my London flat I called them and checked the prices.
I am planning to travel to Ukraine next month.
And almost everything you wrote about pics looks like true.
However, what will happen if I arrange an incall appointment with that woman but I absolutely wouldn't like her?
When I come to them instead of "a slim beautiful blonde" will appear "an ugly fat cow" ha ha ha.
Can I say them that I don't like that lady and let me go please?
Have you ever had the similar situation?
Harry Hardman
10-13-16, 19:07
Good report about the private apartments in Kiev.
Was BBBJ included in the price mentionned? I don't think so. Every time I was in that kind of flats, I had to pay an extra at least the fourth of the price. So when you pay 1500 UAH and with an extra of 500 for BBBJ = 2000 UAH, so more than 70 Euros. So still more expensive than many brothels or apartments in Germany and in Spain. There it's usually around 50-60 Euros for 30 minutes with BBBJ included. And you don't have to pay someone to go to the address, you don't risk to have some problems with the police like some guys told about it.
If you have to come in Kiev for private or professional reasons, that's still a good deal once in a while. However if you are coming from Western Europe or the USA or Asia to enjoy these prices, I don't think that's a bargain.
It's also interesting to see in your report, how hard it is to bring back home normal girls in the street or in discos even for a good looking guy, that has maybe more success at home.
I've been to Forsage, forget it. I didn't find any working girls there and nobody was impressed if you are from Western Europe or from the USA.Great comments!
That's what's going on in here these days.
If you are here for sight-seeing, ok.
But if you are here for mongering, forget it
and be prepared for mega-disappointments.
Harry Hardman
10-13-16, 19:17
Why so expensive indeed? (blink).
We all must have restraints not to pay those high prices, as CallSign Papa told us: "Those of us with restraint and experience know where the value is in the market. " I am glad you've found that market (blink).
Why so expensive?
I found a few escorts agencies on internet and then called them and they confirm that the price is from 400 UAH to 600 UAH an hour.
1 $ = 26 UAH. I called not just 1 agency but 5 escort agencies.
Harry Hardman
10-13-16, 19:22
After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.
So in Kiev we arrive on Thursday for first time in Kiev and went to Arena complex around 22 00 was almost dead we eat something and around 2330 went to shooters, I been in Bangkok for a year so I was looking for the freelance girls you find a BKK, so that day was Salsa day ratio was 1 boy 1 girl, girls between 7 and 9, but average 7, everybody dancing Latino music, I am very bad dancing but suddenly an 8 jump on me to dance and I think bingo lucky day, but she just wanted to dance no drink no anything, so I keep on trying many girls but they only want to dance, I also I do not find any other tourist to find if is any kind of code or anything. So I did not came here to work as hell, so we go back home and go to the net, do not do that, we call 800 grinas hour girls, we order 4 hours, it came a 3 (20) and a 5 (21), we both take the five and 2 hours later send them home. So first day a total disaster.
Next day we try the street, seems like the normal girls do not have money to go out, is possible to arrange dates, but we do not have time for that, I am talking girls that can be 7 or 8.
In the night we go to De luxe, since everybody said you could find working girls there. We get in and find many 8 and 9, the ratio is bad 2 guys 1 girl also some tourist from turkey and the others from Europe, everybody we the some plan. I see two nine without a drink with max 20 years old, we approach and they take the offer asking right away for champagne, we buy Prosseco since they did not have a clew what was champagne, the finish the drink and disappear, then we start again, I start to talk with a girl from Ukraine on 3 day holidays in Kiev and she tell me is tired that everybody think she is working meanwhile I talk to her more guys approach her is crazy, I talk all the girls available but no case, I take a trip to see who is having girls, and are only the ones having more than 3 bottles in the table, I get the idea to change club and try to check Caribbean club.
In the way out approach another tourist, they been in Caribbean club on Thursday and they tell me sucks, come with us we going to check a Strip club, I read here you can pay for a girl there so why not check it out, I take a car with them and since I read here you can get girls for 2000 grinas I ask the driver about that he said no problem, he leave the guys in the strip club and take me to an apartment since I tired and is late in the first apartment we find 3 sevens, I take one home for 100 grinas extra so everything 2100.
I take the drivers number so the next day before going out we go to checks apartments this time I pay attention, and this one is good for everyone if you are outside arena club, or vapiano or the Ferrari store, you looking to this places go to the left is the last door before the corner, you just ring and is those places where you take a drink and the girl dance, important do not order a drink a corona cost me 500 grinas.
Prices here are 1600 grinas for 6 or 7 or 2600 for 7 to 9, I got 1 from here 21 was an 8 she was amazing. Always 100 extra to take her home.
After that we go to Indigo I like it more than De luxe since the ratio was 1 to 1, we try here but we only find one working girl but was a 6, in this place you can see at least 10 nines many 7 and 8, it was some Turkish tourist is like you find them everywhere. This club is nice to have fun, I liked is clean friendly people but we could not get anything.
Then I say we do not try Forsage everybody is saying is the students club, I assume there must be the working girls, since all the ones I got were students. We get there the public is younger, cheaper, in the basement nice dance floor with non electronic commercial music but un ratio 3 boys 2 girls and not many beautiful, first floor many African and Turkish tourist again with Latino music ratio there is bad also quality, then second floor pop music ratio 1 to 1 and you could find some 9 but no one alone we try the 7 same of them are friendly some not but again we are tired so we give up.
I only recommend that club if you like electronic music, DJ was very good the some for the crowd in the basement they were having fun, the same at indigo but more commercial and upscale.
Even I did not went I heard a lot about Heaven between 6 am and 10 to have fun in after hour.
So coming back to the apartments another one that I remember is Velyka Vas street the building beside the restaurant puzata hata, the left one, in the 6 floor, you find many 7 some 8 and if you are lucky a 9 this place is 1500 grinas hour, just wait somebody go out and climb the 6 floor the left one.
So what I felt is take a one night stand and I not much easier that in another place is only that you have more money here, I see you could get nice dating but you need time for that, meaning you could get a hooter girlfriend that back home, then go for the girls is use in between 60 usd and 100 usd hour. So if you do not know anybody go outside a club find a driver that know the apartments and he will take you to a tour, he will get a commission from the agency around 500 grinas, so offer to pay 500 to him and get cheaper rate in the agency, if not the agency will charge full price every time you go.
My friend and many others recommend me the erotic massages, I did not tried but heard that is cheap and good 2 hours.
So despite that Kiev is a nice city to discover if you never been, is not many tourist, you can have for not to much money and the if you want the easy just go to the apartments and pick a girl because if you are not Brad Pitt or Justin no one will jump on you, if it was a time in Kiev that girls jump on you no does time are over.That's the kind of things I am talking about.
It's actually not bad for what it is now in Kiev as far as mongering goes.
Why so expensive indeed? (blink).
We all must have restraints not to pay those high prices, as CallSign Papa told us: "Those of us with restraint and experience know where the value is in the market. " I am glad you've found that market (blink).The trick is when you type in Google bar in English "Ukraine, Kiev, escort, prostitutes. "Goggle shows you sites in English specially designed for western men, naively assuming at all of them are very rich or stupid. However it's not always true. Prices on these sites in English show are like $100 or so.
You type in Google bar in Russian "1059;1082;1088;1072;1080;1085;1072;, К1080;1077;1074;, п1088;1086;1089;1090;1080;1090;1091;1090;1082;1080;. ", Google will show normal sites in Russian language and with normal prices like 400 -600 Grivna. These sites are designed for locals.
Does it make a sense? Would you like to get more help?
LoverOfTravel
10-14-16, 02:42
Looking for really beautifully girls when I come is this truly the place to meet them? Looking for 9's or 10's. Read reviews that these were the best places for gorgeous girls. Any info would be appreciated willing to pay for beautiful girls.
Harry Hirsch
10-14-16, 17:44
If anybody is next 10 days in Kiev.
I know nice girl (7-8) with good sex performance, perfect blowjob, CIM possible.
She like sex much like all kinds)).
She get for some hours (2-3) 3000 UAH (+500 for Anal).
If anybody interested, send me PM, with mail address. I will send some photos.
Hi guys,
I have been reading this forum to plan my trip and get some useful info.
Unfortunately it was a nightmare to get some real contacts and phone numbers with price.
So as I learned in the past TOFTT and I did.
http://relaxportal.biz/eng/ is a good source for me as I found an agency on it that sent me quality girls for 1000 plus 100 for taxi.
They have bad English, the girls were late but the sex part was good.
The sent 3 girls at the Hotel, I came to the lobby and choose the one I wanted. Pay attention here: hotel is OK for girls to come BUT if you booked a single room, they will charge you after 9 pm!
I gave the doorman 200 and he became my best friend here, and provided 2 other dates yesterday night, it was more pricey 1500 / H but girls were better looking. Same as other agency, 3 girls come by taxi.
I think its more expensive cause the Hotel must get a cut on it.
As for mamba, tourist trap for me all girls were like 100 $ minimum.
Today will be visit of the city, sex in the afternoon, and tonight I have a driver that will shox me all the different bordellos in Kiev.
So will tell you the results tomorrow.
For the city guide I found a nice girl (no P4P) that gave me connections / advice / nice tour of city
She is smart and friendly but don't try to date her you will waste your time, make her your wingwomen and pussy will come to you.
I don't care of what you think about me and don't expect anything. I was just sad to see BS infos and no contacts while Kiev has a lot to offer.
Would you mind PMing me the guide's contact info? I tried to PM you, you're not set to receive PMs. Thankyou.
DramaFree11
10-15-16, 04:36
Sorry, but there are no 9's or 10's in Kiev.
CallSign Papa
10-15-16, 10:14
Looking for really beautifully girls when I come is this truly the place to meet them? Looking for 9's or 10's. Read reviews that these were the best places for gorgeous girls. Any info would be appreciated willing to pay for beautiful girls.Your first challenge will be getting in the door on a Friday or Saturday night, both places operate fairly strict face control.
If you do get in, expect a fairly busy bar with girls either loitering by the bar or sat at the semi-circle tables. They are unlikely to openly signal themselves as P4 P, although if they're alone, or with a GF but barely talking, your chances are good. Prices at both places are premium, you'll be unlikely to take anything for under $250 (expect them to quote $500+). Quality looks-wise is generally top end, service very rarely matches.
Do yourself a favor, go to Shooters near Arsenal or Podol. If you really like clubs, try the*Lux. Avoid Coyote Ugly at all costs.
Your first challenge will be getting in the door on a Friday or Saturday night, both places operate fairly strict face control.
If you do get in, expect a fairly busy bar with girls either loitering by the bar or sat at the semi-circle tables. They are unlikely to openly signal themselves as P4 P, although if they're alone, or with a GF but barely talking, your chances are good. Prices at both places are premium, you'll be unlikely to take anything for under $250 (expect them to quote $500+). Quality looks-wise is generally top end, service very rarely matches.
Do yourself a favor, go to Shooters near Arsenal or Podol. If you really like clubs, try the*Lux. Avoid Coyote Ugly at all costs.Why are you saying to avoid Coyote Ugly? Except the fact, that a foreigner was beaten and stolen there once, the music is a bit different from the other clubs, more rock atmosphere.
Why are you saying to avoid Coyote Ugly? Except the fact, that a foreigner was beaten and stolen there once, the music is a bit different from the other clubs, more rock atmosphere.I'd like to know too. Coyote Ugly has tons of young hotties that you can track down on VK and possibly meet behind closed doors. I don't see SkyBar as a viable mongering option. That's jaded twat that will suck your money like a machine and spit you out.
Hey folks, if anyone interested to exchange some contacts please let me know. I have 5 pro and 8 semi pros contacts. Looking to meet new girls.
That's just great!
Pay attention all you want to be Kiev mongers!
Spending all this money on airfare and hotels, end up in Massage Parlors with a hand job.
Don't you think it's better to just stay home and get a local provider for less because you'd save all this airfare and hotel expense?
And most importantly, you'll save time and not getting tired from long flights.I hear what you are saying but I didn't come here specifically to.
Monger. I work here on and off and want to spend more time here. Women is just a bonus. Personally I like the massage places when they do it well. This chick was pretty hot looking me really erotic in her "work". For me, dropping 40-50 $ for a really good massage / titty fuck / handjob is OK. Would I rather ass bang 10's for the same.
Money. Of course. But a really pretty girl jerking me off is OK too!
Rammstein2
10-15-16, 21:27
Hey folks, if anyone interested to exchange some contacts please let me know. I have 5 pro and 8 semi pros contacts. Looking to meet new girls.How could we change "our girls".
Hey folks, if anyone interested to exchange some contacts please let me know. I have 5 pro and 8 semi pros contacts. Looking to meet new girls.Yes, please let me know our contacts. I will be in Kiev next month and looking for some serious girls.
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LoverOfTravel
10-16-16, 03:42
Sorry, but there are no 9's or 10's in Kiev.What about Odessa?
LoverOfTravel
10-16-16, 03:45
Your first challenge will be getting in the door on a Friday or Saturday night, both places operate fairly strict face control.
If you do get in, expect a fairly busy bar with girls either loitering by the bar or sat at the semi-circle tables. They are unlikely to openly signal themselves as P4 P, although if they're alone, or with a GF but barely talking, your chances are good. Prices at both places are premium, you'll be unlikely to take anything for under $250 (expect them to quote $500+). Quality looks-wise is generally top end, service very rarely matches.
Do yourself a favor, go to Shooters near Arsenal or Podol. If you really like clubs, try the*Lux. Avoid Coyote Ugly at all costs.500 is that US dollars or Euros? I'm 32 shaved head but wear nice clothes and dress in expensive dress clothes. Read that they usually make you bribe them at the door?
Hey folks, if anyone interested to exchange some contacts please let me know. I have 5 pro and 8 semi pros contacts. Looking to meet new girls.That would be great, I'll be in Kyev next week. Any info would be much appreciated. I will PM you.
HardCanuck
10-16-16, 11:00
Hello,
I'm a newbie and visiting Kiev for the first time next week. We all start somewhere and sometime. First, I admire the dedication of the contributors to the site. I also appreciate the time and effort which is intended to help all in the hobby whether expert or beginner. I'm using Mamba to set up some introductions but it's been a challenge. It would be very much appreciated if you could PM some of the more recommended success contacts during your last visit, especially sweetie.
I look forward to my experience and future posts is all goes well.
Thanks!
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CallSign Papa
10-16-16, 15:10
Why are you saying to avoid Coyote Ugly? Couple of reasons:
1) Virtually every time I've been there (which admittedly is 3-4 times) it's been a sausage fest, with guys way outnumbering girls.
2) It's pricey for what it is.
3) Even when it's empty it can still take forever to get served. It's a bit like Shato in that regard.
4) Last time I was there they tried to charge me for 4 whiskies I never had and it took a 10 minute conversation with the manager to get it sorted. All the while I had a gorilla standing at my shoulder.
It really does have potential to be a cracking venue, but the sum of the parts just don't come together for me. I'd prefer Shooters any day for this type of bar.
Gentleman Travel
10-16-16, 15:37
Couple of reasons:
1) Virtually every time I've been there (which admittedly is 3-4 times) it's been a sausage fest, with guys way outnumbering girls.
2) It's pricey for what it is.
3) Even when it's empty it can still take forever to get served. It's a bit like Shato in that regard.
4) Last time I was there they tried to charge me for 4 whiskies I never had and it took a 10 minute conversation with the manager to get it sorted. All the while I had a gorilla standing at my shoulder.
It really does have potential to be a cracking venue, but the sum of the parts just don't come together for me. I'd prefer Shooters any day for this type of bar.Coyote Ugly doesn't seem like a good bet to me, either, although for different reasons.
I guess I was there mid-week and it was not too crowded, certainly not a sausagefest. In fact there were some nice looking girls there.
But the music is so loud it was impossible to have a conversation. And you couldn't really linger at the bar because one of the waitresses was stomping all over it.
I get it, that they are trying to be different and create a fun atmosphere, but I think they were trying too hard and made it kind of overwhelming in the process.
Hello,
I'm a newbie and visiting Kiev for the first time next week. We all start somewhere and sometime. First, I admire the dedication of the contributors to the site. I also appreciate the time and effort which is intended to help all in the hobby whether expert or beginner. I'm using Mamba to set up some introductions but it's been a challenge. It would be very much appreciated if you could PM some of the more recommended success contacts during your last visit, especially sweetie.
I look forward to my experience and future posts is all goes well...I'll be in Kiev next week also on the 21st till the 1st. PM if you want to meet. I been to Ukraine a few times. Second time in Kiev.
CallSign Papa
10-16-16, 17:54
I get it, that they are trying to be different and create a fun atmosphere, but I think they were trying too hard and made it kind of overwhelming in the process.Interesting perspective, you might be right. I'll give it one more shot.
Rammstein2
10-16-16, 19:27
Here are some pictures from some girls from whom I got Viber / Whattsapp numbers and fotos. Some of the photos are made from me. I met and fucked them all. The prices have been between 40 to 100 and for one 300 . Is somebody interested in the numbers?
I was few days ago to Moulin Rouge massage, got a 1000 grivnas one with a girl called alena.
18 year old Brunette, about 1,60 curvy and pumped lips (in my opinion the surgery was exaggerated, but is a question of tastes).
She does good massage, knows well the technique, nice conversation but with low English level, anyway you can make you understand, good massage ended with a handjob, installations there are OK, instead I paid for one hour, I think a I was a bit less, anyway the girls deserves the investment.
Wonderful How much is it in R.M.?
Here are some pictures from some girls from whom I got Viber / Whattsapp numbers and fotos. Some of the photos are made from me. I met and fucked them all. The prices have been between 40 to 100 and for one 300 . Is somebody interested in the numbers?I am interested. Is there a way to PM you?
Thanks.
Ciao.
Misc.
Here are some pictures from some girls from whom I got Viber / Whattsapp numbers and fotos. Some of the photos are made from me. I met and fucked them all. The prices have been between 40 to 100 and for one 300 . Is somebody interested in the numbers?Don't need to struggle around, you can find here one of the girls he fucked.
http://randevu.kiev.ua/arina-1.html
Don't need to struggle around, you can find here one of the girls he fucked.
http://randevu.kiev.ua/arina-1.htmlIf you go to: http://randevu.kiev.ua/arina.html.
You will see that the "beautiful" girl has a fat.
By the way: 25 years old and student is not very common in the Ukraine. Normally the girls finish the university with 23-24.
Here are some pictures from some girls from whom I got Viber / Whattsapp numbers and fotos. Some of the photos are made from me. I met and fucked them all. The prices have been between 40 to 100 and for one 300 . Is somebody interested in the numbers?Absolutely fucking awesome mate, very hot chicas. Are they all based in Kiev or diff parts of Ukraine. Care to share.
Cheers.
Walking through the city, I discovered some Thai massage spots and took their business cards with me. Always nice Ukrainian girls at the counter, in one shop I discovered a Thai girl in the back office. Full body oil massage differs much between 600 and 1500. Anyone has any experience with these spots? Any chance to get more than a massage, HJ or even more possible?
Thanks for answer.
Tits_Lover
10-17-16, 12:37
Here are some pictures from some girls from whom I got Viber / Whattsapp numbers and fotos. Some of the photos are made from me. I met and fucked them all. The prices have been between 40 to 100 and for one 300 . Is somebody interested in the numbers?Interested in a few of them as well.
I think I saw 1 or 2 in mamba as well.
Rammstein2,
I'm interested in two of them, but I don't see the way to send you an PM.
Horny American
10-17-16, 17:13
One monger replies with some added info for the board, another replies with a compliment to the original poster and an inquiry but yet another dummy responds with nothing but insults that are nor even based in fact.
First of all, you can't even see the girls ass let alone call it fat because she is obviously not fat. Let alone judge her and call her a B just based off her face. That is just asinine. And lastly, it depends upon what age you start school and what you are going to school for. If someone is going for their advanced degree or a masters degree for example it will be well beyond the 23-24 range the so called "expert" states.
So a couple of normal mongers reply with either info or compliments as well as a question but another replies with nothing but complaining and self righteousness that is flat out wrong and stupid. Just the way society is nowadays I guess.
Absolutely fucking awesome mate, very hot chicas. Are they all based in Kiev or diff parts of Ukraine. Care to share. Cheers.
If you go to: http://randevu.kiev.ua/arina.html.
You will see that the "beautiful" girl has a fat ass and a face like a stupid village b*tch. nBy the way: 25 years old and student is not very common in the ukraine. Normally the girls finish the university with 23-24.
Don't need to struggle around, you can find here one of the girls he fucked. http://randevu.kiev.ua/arina-1.html
Gave a chance to the massage parlour grand royal de fleurs in the city center. See web page.
Body-studio.com.ua.
Clean place, sympathetic staff. Various menus available at different prices. They accept credit card.
Had a date with Tina and was very pleased. Mind no BJ or sex. Could however finger her pussy which was pretty wet.
The location is the next house than the one they mention as location. It has a red flag in front and is. At the very end of a small road.
Enjoy.
I totally disapproved the fact that we can see the face of these girls. In many forums the respectfull, reverent members hide their face. Most of these girls are students or have a job and have a social life. Some Ukrainian people might see their pictures here. These girls have a double life and they want to keep one part secret.
If you post photos here, it's easy to hide their face. If you want to show how they look, we can use the private box and send the photos to some members that ask for it.
Blue Swede
10-18-16, 08:35
Rammstein2,
I'm interested in two of them, but I don't see the way to send you an PM.The "way" is that both of you become premium members for a small amount of money.
...yet another dummy responds with nothing but insults that are nor even based in fact.
First of all, you can't even see the girls ass let alone call it fat because she is obviously not fat. Let alone judge her and call her a B just based off her face. That is just asinine. And lastly, it depends upon what age you start school and what you are going to school for. If someone is going for their advanced degree or a masters degree for example it will be well beyond the 23-24 range the so called "expert" states.
I guess that YOU are the dummi. Just have a look at the photo in the link:
http://randevu.kiev.ua/image/cache/data/Girl/Arina/59345-570x700.jpg
The girl is not really slim. But WHY is the tower so slim. ? Compare the tower with another photo and you will see:
http://img.wallpaperfolder.com/f/784A1B55C8FA/1024x768px-leaning-tower-pisa-444964.jpg
That the tower is not so silm in reality. That means somebody used photoshop or a camera that makes the picure looking more "slim".
The fact: In reality the (already) not so slim looking girl is more fat.
And sorry: This girl has a bulldog face. Not beautiful:
http://www.kateconnick.com/postcards/bullyface.jpg
http://randevu.kiev.ua/image/cache/data/Girl/Arina/59343-570x700.jpg
AND: Nearly all girls don't tell us their real age. Do you really believe that this girl is 25 years old...?
Last week I had a 23 y.o. girl who is 18 in Mamba, before it was a 24 y.o. who is 21 in Mamba... and and and...
CallSign Papa
10-18-16, 10:21
I guess that YOU are the dummi.
Before this turns into another pointless flame war, let's just remember why we're all here and focus on the job at hand. As Trump would say, "grabbing pussy".
Before this turns into another pointless flame war, let's just remember why we're all here and focus on the job at hand. As Trump would say, "grabbing pussy".Absolutely right. Let's not waste our time about analysing futile, pointless, unimportant answers. Remember that the most important is to get pretty pussy for the best price and not paying Western Europe standard prices. Otherwise we are screwed by these girls.
Furthermore as I mentionned it in another post, show some respect about their double life, that would be appreciate.
Harry Hardman
10-18-16, 11:12
I think it's great that he posted the faces of these girls (if they are real?) while I do respectfully acknowledge your concern.
I totally disapproved the fact that we can see the face of these girls. In many forums the respectfull, reverent members hide their face. Most of these girls are students or have a job and have a social life. Some Ukrainian people might see their pictures here. These girls have a double life and they want to keep one part secret.
If you post photos here, it's easy to hide their face. If you want to show how they look, we can use the private box and send the photos to some members that ask for it.
Harry Hardman
10-18-16, 11:18
I guess that YOU are the dummi. Just have a look at the photo in the link:
http://randevu.kiev.ua/image/cache/data/Girl/Arina/59345-570x700.jpg
The girl is not really slim. But WHY is the tower so slim. ? Compare the tower with another photo and you will see:
http://img.wallpaperfolder.com/f/784A1B55C8FA/1024x768px-leaning-tower-pisa-444964.jpg
That the tower is not so silm in reality. That means somebody used photoshop or a camera that makes the picure looking more "slim".
The fact: In reality the (already) not so slim looking girl is more fat.
And sorry: This girl has a bulldog face. Not beautiful:
http://www.kateconnick.com/postcards/bullyface.jpg
http://randevu.kiev.ua/image/cache/data/Girl/Arina/59343-570x700.jpg
AND: Nearly all girls don't tell us their real age. Do you really believe that this girl is 25 years old...?
Last week I had a 23 y.o. girl who is 18 in Mamba, before it was a 24 y.o. who is 21 in Mamba... and and and...VERY OBSERVANT!
Good Analysis.
Bulldog face. HA. Ha. Ha.
Do you think any of these girls are real?
Were able to find more info. On his other girls?
Harry Hardman
10-18-16, 11:25
Absolutely right. Let's not waste our time about analysing futile, pointless, unimportant answers. Remember that the most important is to get pretty pussy for the best price and not paying Western Europe standard prices. Otherwise we are screwed by these girls.
This really should be our goal - "the most important is to get" good "pussy for the best price and not paying Western Europe standard prices. " Like CallSign Papa said, we all should have restraints and not pay these high prices. Better yet, go somewhere else where it's easier and has better price / service.
I agree with you, privacy of girls should be respected, anyway I think only pro members can see the pics, then I suppose so few Ukrainians are able to check them.
I totally disapproved the fact that we can see the face of these girls. In many forums the respectfull, reverent members hide their face. Most of these girls are students or have a job and have a social life. Some Ukrainian people might see their pictures here. These girls have a double life and they want to keep one part secret.
If you post photos here, it's easy to hide their face. If you want to show how they look, we can use the private box and send the photos to some members that ask for it.
I agree with you, privacy of girls should be respected, anyway I think only pro members can see the pics, then I suppose so few Ukrainians are able to check them.Just don't log in or use another browser and you will be able to see all the photos in a small format. The only difference with senior members is that you can not open it in big.
So everybody can see it, you even don't need to be a member here.
I agree with you, privacy of girls should be respected, anyway I think only pro members can see the pics, then I suppose so few Ukrainians are able to check them.All photos were used on a public site. On Mamba with the "sex" offer. And some photos appear on escort-sites. So I don't understand your complaint.
Hey folks, if anyone interested to exchange some contacts please let me know. I have 5 pro and 8 semi pros contacts. Looking to meet new girls.Please post the contact info on this forum for everyone.
If pics were posted by girls in public sites, then there is not a problem to publish here.
But if they are taken from their personal viber or wassap, that's totally different.
All photos were used on a public site. On Mamba with the "sex" offer. And some photos appear on escort-sites. So I don't understand your complaint.
I was to roksolana massage, spent one hour with Mila: http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/mila.
I chosen 600 grivna massage, but she insisted to make me the 900 grivna one, the difference is to touch her body, buy that 300 extra grvina, I refused, because I was not in my best day and only wanted some massage.
Behavior of her is very good, she is so friendly, nice to talk with and very very good skilled on the massage, the body is so fit, the bad point of her is the face, I didn't find her pretty, is a pity, because in all the other sides she was excellent (pics in website have photoshop).
Massage begins with relaxation in legs and back, and ending in the last part in a sensitive one with final handjob.
I was to roksolana massage, spent one hour with Mila: http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/mila.
I chosen 600 grivna massage, but she insisted to make me the 900 grivna one, the difference is to touch her body, buy that 300 extra grvina, I refused, because I was not in my best day and only wanted some massage.
Behavior of her is very good, she is so friendly, nice to talk with and very very good skilled on the massage, the body is so fit, the bad point of her is the face, I didn't find her pretty, is a pity, because in all the other sides she was excellent (pics in website have photoshop).
Massage begins with relaxation in legs and back, and ending in the last part in a sensitive one with final handjob.Had one of the best body to body massages at this place a while back. The girl was a pretty student who had the most amazing ass and used it for the oily happy ending.
Rammstein2
10-22-16, 14:12
This really should be our goal - "the most important is to get" good "pussy for the best price and not paying Western Europe standard prices. " Like CallSign Papa said, we all should have restraints and not pay these high prices. Better yet, go somewhere else where it's easier and has better price / service.This is what I said!! But 90 % of the men who are coming to Kiev have not done the work before; means they have not looked for contacts in advance. So they went home from Kiev frustrated or they payed western standard prices for (often) bad service. At my opinion it will not change obviously it has been written so often now here!
Unfortunately its also a problem for me because a lot of girls asked me for more money than for example 1. 500 griwna because they heard that some crazy foreign men are paying 200 $ and more for women. I always have to convince them that they have to visit me 5 times for this money. Because of this I hid all the men in their aces who are paying 100 $ and more for girls in Kiev. You can get a 7 here for 1.000 griwna (40 E).
And if you don't get a 7 in Kiev you are to lazy for searching one (before you come to Kiev). Don't kill the prices in Kiev. By the way, I always pay and negotiate in Griwna never in E or S.
In the olden days that was the price most girls quoted at River Palace, some were asking for $300 but such prices were for more than one hour whether it was 200 $ or more.
I never took out a girl at such prices but met them following day for happy hour prices ($100). I didn't haggle or convince them about anything, just took their digits and phoned them next day as I told them at the club I don't go for late sex. It worked most of the time except with one girl who wouldn't have been out of place in a playboy centerfold who stuck to her price of $400 and not just with me.
I arrived in Kiev for my great social experiment on Thursday. I have met with 3 "normal" girls so far for casual conversation ostensibly to practice my Russian and have them practice their English with a native English speaker. I met all three on the Maidan area after contacting them on a web site and then emailing with them and then adding to social networking app. One was a real dud but the other two seem like good prospects. One is 18 and the other is 19 and both attend the linguistics university in Kiev. I paid for lunch with the 19 year old and we talked for about 3 hours. The 18 year old I bought lunch twice and we spent 2 hours then 5 hours together. She is planning to come to my apartment on Tuesday to cook a meal together after we go to the Bulgarkov museum.
The 19 year old is cute with a rocking thin body. I would rate her a solid 7 for my tastes. The 18 year old is gorgeous to me and has a nice body. I would rate her as an 8 for my tastes. I will get a picture of her when she is at my apartment. I am meeting a 4th girl tomorrow.
Obviously no sex yet but I didn't expect it yet. In the words of some of the recent posts, one must show restraint.
Lunch cost about 400 each time so I have spent about $50 dollars on girls and I am building my contacts, plus improving my Russian skills at the same time.
I know this is not traditional mongering and it takes more time than most are willing to spend.
I arrived in Kiev for my great social experiment on Thursday. I have met with 3 "normal" girls so far for casual conversation ostensibly to practice my Russian and have them practice their English with a native English speaker. I met all three on the Maidan area after contacting them on a web site and then emailing with them and then adding to social networking app. One was a real dud but the other two seem like good prospects. One is 18 and the other is 19 and both attend the linguistics university in Kiev. I paid for lunch with the 19 year old and we talked for about 3 hours. The 18 year old I bought lunch twice and we spent 2 hours then 5 hours together. She is planning to come to my apartment on Tuesday to cook a meal together after we go to the Bulgarkov museum.
The 19 year old is cute with a rocking thin body. I would rate her a solid 7 for my tastes. The 18 year old is gorgeous to me and has a nice body. I would rate her as an 8 for my tastes. I will get a picture of her when she is at my apartment. I am meeting a 4th girl tomorrow.
Obviously no sex yet but I didn't expect it yet. In the words of some of the recent posts, one must show restraint.
Lunch cost about 400 each time so I have spent about $50 dollars on girls and I am building my contacts, plus improving my Russian skills at the same time.
I know this is not traditional mongering and it takes more time than most are willing to spend.So at which website did you initinally make contacts with them in order to propose such a language lesson deal?
I don't know if this Sweety is your Sweety and if this Hannah is your Hannah:
http://www.mamba.ru/mb1640816972
http://www.mamba.ru/mb1500643994
But I guess. Yes?
Sorry, but those girls are no stunners and no "10"s for me. Especially on the photos with less make-up the face is terrible. And I'm sure that the "Sweety" is not 24 year old.I met sweety. She goes by Alina now. She is really hot in person. The evening was just OK. She came to my place and drank a lot. Too much. We had some laughs but she talked a lot about how much her fur costs, how much iphones cost, how much everything costs. We did it once at 5 am and it decent. She is a little soft in the belly but firm ass and legs. Easily a solid 8 looks and body wise. I'd recommend. Just don't let her get completely shit faced like I did.
So at which website did you initinally make contacts with them in order to propose such a language lesson deal?Hi Sorbonne,
I did nearly the same as him last year. I was using Mamba. I got 4 girls to teach me some Russian and to speak together and to correct my mistakes. Two looked very pretty on their photos, but in the real life one was chubby and the other one a bag of bones, so I really didn't feel like trying to fuck them. The two others are really pretty around 9 or 10. I tried to trick one of them using a fake profile and asking if she was interesting in meeting my fake guy for 150 $ for 2-3 hours. She laughed at it. Then I rised the price at 200 $ and she said that was indecent and that I could use a prostitute for that. That girl is a student with a tough life as she is not from Kiev and lives in a shared bedroom. Anyway it didn't work at all. With the other 9, we are still in touch, but she is waiting for her charming prince, the big love, the love of her life. I might meet her again, but that will be only to exchange languages.
Result: So I bedded no girls at all. Spending about 800 UAH for 4 lessons. My age: 37. Age of the girls: 19-21.
I know what Western European and American guys and Turkish guys think: Nearly every Ukrainian girls will open their thighs for a big amount of money. A real wrong belief.
DramaFree11
10-24-16, 14:10
I agree 100%, money is not everything in Ukraine.
CallSign Papa
10-24-16, 15:32
Result: So I bedded no girls at all. Spending about 800 UAH for 4 lessons. My age: 37. Age of the girls: 19-21.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with playing the long time. Some of the best experiences I've had have taken 3-4 meetings (and sometimes months) to bear fruit, but they were all well worth the effort. The key consideration is not to fall into the "walking wallet" trap, although you'll generally find with the girls who are circumspect about who they sleep with are happy with coffee (and not champagne).
In the olden days that was the price most girls quoted at River Palace, some were asking for $300 but such prices were for more than one hour whether it was 200 $ or more.
I never took out a girl at such prices but met them following day for happy hour prices ($100). I didn't haggle or convince them about anything, just took their digits and phoned them next day as I told them at the club I don't go for late sex. It worked most of the time except with one girl who wouldn't have been out of place in a playboy centerfold who stuck to her price of $400 and not just with me.I know who you are talking about. I gave her 600 $, 200 $ more than she asked for. A-level.
She's worth every penny.
Hi Sorbonne,
I did nearly the same as him last year. I was using Mamba. I got 4 girls to teach me some Russian and to speak together and to correct my mistakes. Two looked very pretty on their photos, but in the real life one was chubby and the other one a bag of bones, so I really didn't feel like trying to fuck them. The two others are really pretty around 9 or 10. I tried to trick one of them using a fake profile and asking if she was interesting in meeting my fake guy for 150 $ for 2-3 hours. She laughed at it. Then I rised the price at 200 $ and she said that was indecent and that I could use a prostitute for that. That girl is a student with a tough life as she is not from Kiev and lives in a shared bedroom. Anyway it didn't work at all. With the other 9, we are still in touch, but she is waiting for her charming prince, the big love, the love of her life. I might meet her again, but that will be only to exchange languages.
Result: So I bedded no girls at all. Spending about 800 UAH for 4 lessons. My age: 37. Age of the girls: 19-21.
I know what Western European and American guys and Turkish guys think: Nearly every Ukrainian girls will open their thighs for a big amount of money. A real wrong belief.It's a complete waste of time, I'll second it. Haven't we all tried that before somewhere.
I agree 100%, money is not everything in Ukraine.Money is not everything in Ukraine, and money is.
I agree 100%, money is not everything in Ukraine.Generally, you get what you pay for.
I arrived in Kiev for my great social experiment on Thursday. I have met with 3 "normal" girls so far for casual conversation ostensibly to practice my Russian and have them practice their English with a native English speaker. I met all three on the Maidan area after contacting them on a web site and then emailing with them and then adding to social networking app. One was a real dud but the other two seem like good prospects. One is 18 and the other is 19 and both attend the linguistics university in Kiev. I paid for lunch with the 19 year old and we talked for about 3 hours. The 18 year old I bought lunch twice and we spent 2 hours then 5 hours together. She is planning to come to my apartment on Tuesday to cook a meal together after we go to the Bulgarkov museum.
The 19 year old is cute with a rocking thin body. I would rate her a solid 7 for my tastes. The 18 year old is gorgeous to me and has a nice body. I would rate her as an 8 for my tastes. I will get a picture of her when she is at my apartment. I am meeting a 4th girl tomorrow.
Obviously no sex yet but I didn't expect it yet. In the words of some of the recent posts, one must show restraint.
Lunch cost about 400 each time so I have spent about $50 dollars on girls and I am building my contacts, plus improving my Russian skills at the same time.
I know this is not traditional mongering and it takes more time than most are willing to spend.You can do things like that to entertain yourself but that's a terrible mistake to make assumptions that random girls will play for cash. At any given time, there is a fresh group of girls willing and wanting to sell their cookies in Kiev and you just have to find them.
Money is not everything in Ukraine, and money is.Not everything, but certainly matters.
It's a complete waste of time, I'll second it. Haven't we all tried that before somewhere.Yep I think it is a waste of time in Kiev. Even if it may work for some good looking guys or some others that are persistent with many dates, it still takes money and time to the majority that gets nothing at that game. Fortunately there are still other countries where you can bed easily normal girl at the first or at the second date and even if you are not a good looking guy.
I know what Western European and American guys and Turkish guys think: Nearly every Ukrainian girls will open their thighs for a big amount of money. A real wrong belief.Only two comments on this:
1. I don't think that at all. Maybe my experience will be different than in Moscow, but I don't plan on paying any girl directly. I certainly will not offer it directly. I never had to in Russia.
2. I've been told by both girls and guys from Russia / Ukraine that a Russian / Ukrainian girl will never go to your apartment unless she is at least open to sex--not necessarily that she wanted it--but at least she is open to the possibility. I already have one of them coming to my apartment tomorrow.
I posted about my plan several days back. It is an experiment based on my success in Russia. At the end of my experiment, I will discuss more details about the web sites I used and what I wrote.
I always meet girls on Mamba in Kiev 18-22 range maybe with an exception of one trip of many. I speak the language perfectly but I am not convinced it actually help, as many girls think it's safer to hookup with a foreigner. It has gotten a lot harder than what it used to be a few years ago, but it still works. The problem is the top 100-200 girls that come up in the search are all agencies, having multiple browsers open on multiple computers as well as cheap smart phones, pretending to be the girls on the picture.
Provided you know where to find agencies / apartment girls, you can weed those out because they will not confirm the pictures are theirs, and will usually right away reply with simple one liners like 100 ye 1 hour. The rest are girls who are genuinely looking for boyfriends and many more are freelancers. These girls will engage in some conversation and you will soon be able to tell the difference.
Advice: touch on the subject of financial assistance if there is chemistry, do meet for coffee but do not take them out to any dinners unless you feel there is a genuine connection between the two of you and this is not very likely, most of these girls are looking for sponsor. Many girls get kickbacks from restaurants. If you like a girl, grab coffee or a drink with her at a pub to loosen them up, do not let them call shots, be the one calling shots, and be firm that you're willing to pay them and are not interested in dinners until after you've established a connection and chemistry (makes sense right, what's the point of having dinner if all the while you're horny and have to pretend you're enjoying a conversation in her broken English).
I think also Tinder works very well although I don't see many younger girls on it. But many hot girls in 23-30 range and many with Instagram profiles so you know they are not fake. VK.com used to work I would just offer money for company but haven't gotten any replies on my last trip.
I'd be curious if anyone knows any other internet sources. Badoo maybe?
If all else fails there is always Dinamo Lux and Sky, etc. Find a travel buddy, dress nice, get a table, invite girls over to sit down for a drink, remember obviously looking Ho's will always charge more and perform less.
BillySanchez89
10-24-16, 20:26
First time posting, first trip to Kiev next week 30/10-2/11. I use Backpage regularly to find girls or agencies here in Israel, where I live, and on backpage I see tons of girls in Kiev. I've heard stories about hotels not letting girls in or requiring "tips" to do so but I prefer to be discreet and avoid the looks from reception or hearing the knock on the door just to find Boris the bouncer on the other end. I'm staying at the Hotel Ukraine right next to Maidan. Will have a problem getting a girl from backpage, gia, or relax Kiev staying there?
What should I expect to pay for A level service from an 8 or above?
Best to pay in Euro or UAH?
Thanks for helping me on my first monger tour to Kiev!
BillySanchez
Had one of the best body to body massages at this place a while back. The girl was a pretty student who had the most amazing ass and used it for the oily happy ending.Maybe Antonina? I was with her 2 months ago, strongly recommended also, a pity she only talks Russian.
Only two comments on this:
1. I don't think that at all. Maybe my experience will be different than in Moscow, but I don't plan on paying any girl directly. I certainly will not offer it directly. I never had to in Russia.
2. I've been told by both girls and guys from Russia / Ukraine that a Russian / Ukrainian girl will never go to your apartment unless she is at least open to sex--not necessarily that she wanted it--but at least she is open to the possibility. I already have one of them coming to my apartment tomorrow.
I posted about my plan several days back. It is an experiment based on my success in Russia. At the end of my experiment, I will discuss more details about the web sites I used and what I wrote.I know you don't think like most guys in Western European countries about the fact that Ukrainian girls are easy chicks and get sex with anybody that give them some money. You have been to Russia, you know how it is. However this aspect of getting a girl easily still works on other continents.
You might have found a much better website than Mamba to meet these 18-22 years old chicks, because I notice that they usually are not interested in meeting even to get a meal for free at the restaurant. Of course if your dates are older, it would be easier to meet them for a meal. Anyway let us know, some of us are surely curious about your likely affairs in Kiev.
First time posting, first trip to Kiev next week 30/10-2/11. I use Backpage regularly to find girls or agencies here in Israel, where I live, and on backpage I see tons of girls in Kiev. I've heard stories about hotels not letting girls in or requiring "tips" to do so but I prefer to be discreet and avoid the looks from reception or hearing the knock on the door just to find Boris the bouncer on the other end. I'm staying at the Hotel Ukraine right next to Maidan. Will have a problem getting a girl from backpage, gia, or relax Kiev staying there?
What should I expect to pay for A level service from an 8 or above?
Best to pay in Euro or UAH?
Thanks for helping me on my first monger tour to Kiev!
BillySanchezHotel Ukraine is usually OK with girls. Maybe you need to grease the pa! Ms of security with 100/150 UAH. OR even ask them for girls.
There is was a strip club onsite there but the girls weren't that hot.
Back page is usually full of scams but I don't know how it works with it in Kiev.
However this aspect of getting a girl easily still works on other continents.I have met many girls in the Philippines and I used to go to the Dominican Republic and Costa Rica and had good success with "normal" young and attractive girls (Costa Rica has become much harder these days), but I like Slavic girls better. They are actually much more difficult in many ways, but also easier. I like Asian girls ok, but they have a very different sensibility and generally, at least for my taste, are less attractive. Costa Rican girls are hot, but stupid western tourists have ruined that place.
My tutor arrives at my apartment in an hour. We cancelled the museum because she was busy but she said she really wanted to cook for me. Let's see how it goes.
YellowPaul
10-25-16, 15:33
First time posting, first trip to Kiev next week 30/10-2/11. I use Backpage regularly to find girls or agencies here in Israel, where I live, and on backpage I see tons of girls in Kiev. I've heard stories about hotels not letting girls in or requiring "tips" to do so but I prefer to be discreet and avoid the looks from reception or hearing the knock on the door just to find Boris the bouncer on the other end. I'm staying at the Hotel Ukraine right next to Maidan. Will have a problem getting a girl from backpage, gia, or relax Kiev staying there?
What should I expect to pay for A level service from an 8 or above?
Best to pay in Euro or UAH?
Thanks for helping me on my first monger tour to Kiev!
BillySanchezFunny. I just did the exact opposite of you.
I met 2 different Ukrainians girls in Tel Aviv last week to escape the cold & grey of Kiev.
Definitely some of hottest girls in Tel Aviv are the Russians / Ukrainians working there in the restaurants, bars, etc. Mind you nothing still beats the Ukrainian girls in there native land where they are more plentiful and have less options.
YellowPaul
10-25-16, 15:39
I have met many girls in the Philippines and I used to go to the Dominican Republic and Costa Rica and had good success with "normal" young and attractive girls (Costa Rica has become much harder these days), but I like Slavic girls better. They are actually much more difficult in many ways, but also easier. I like Asian girls ok, but they have a very different sensibility and generally, at least for my taste, are less attractive. Costa Rican girls are hot, but stupid western tourists have ruined that place.
My tutor arrives at my apartment in an hour. We cancelled the museum because she was busy but she said she really wanted to cook for me. Let's see how it goes.Great reports Yummy. Keep us updated. I'm especially interested how long it takes to get the bang as I run a help wanted AD for a "personal assistant' in Kiev rather then the traditional Mamba, Tinder, Badoo, etc sites.
I tend to get a more normal girl who usually is looking for a job rather then a relationship but this method is not for the short term type of monger staying 4 days on business.
BillySanchez89
10-25-16, 19:13
Funny. I just did the exact opposite of you.
I met 2 different Ukrainians girls in Tel Aviv last week to escape the cold & grey of Kiev.I live in Tel Aviv and the Ukrainian / Russian girls on backpage are usually the best you can get here. Thought I'd sample some straight from the tap while in Kiev for business. That's why I need some discreet arrivals as I don't want to alert the whole hotel that I had a guest.
Jojosun- what site or agency would recommend over backpage in Kiev? I also saw His and relaxkiev, any experience with them?
Horny American
10-25-16, 22:27
Just a heads up, she knows about this site (and others) and checks them often for anything at all pertaining to herself. She will likely see your post and try to contact you about it.
She was told about this site by another monger that saw her after I had recommended her as being truly legitimate, honest and worth seeing. I said nothing bad at all, but she still wanted me to ask admin to remove my "review". I gave her some advice in regards to her online profile etc and I see that she changed names but that is all she did.
You're right, she's a nice girl and yes she can talk for hours and hours but I don't mind the social aspect of the date. A social drinker as well but it's up to you to control the alcohol consumption if you don't want her to get buzzed but I'm guessing most don't mind that. Thinking that they'll get a more GFE date if she is buzzed.
I met sweety. She goes by Alina now. She is really hot in person. The evening was just OK. She came to my place and drank a lot. Too much. We had some laughs but she talked a lot about how much her fur costs, how much iphones cost, how much everything costs. We did it once at 5 am and it decent. She is a little soft in the belly but firm ass and legs. Easily a solid 8 looks and body wise. I'd recommend. Just don't let her get completely shit faced like I did.
I live in Tel Aviv and the Ukrainian / Russian girls on backpage are usually the best you can get here.
Jojosun- what site or agency would recommend over backpage in Kiev? I also saw His and relaxkiev, any experience with them?First time I landed in Kiev in 2009 I had a walk along Kreschatick the main st there, bought a copy of the english newspaper there (Kiev Post) just to get a feel for the city and catch up with news and when I got to the last pages there was the Personal section full of ads for individual girls. At random I picked one girl called (Marina) and when she turned up at my hotel she was a solid 9 ,hot smoking girl. Speaking with her, it turned out that Marina advertised is the name of the agency she worked for and not her as she was a part time escort. When I returned to Kiev 2 months later I found out that a Pakistani businessman had bought Kiev Post and the first thing he did was to close Personals ads in there.
Then I got on Mamba and after a lot of prior research before I landed in Kiev (Operative word on Mamba, Prior research) and contact I met my present wingwoman, guide, scout, there when she was 22 years old looking for a sponsor and the rest is now history as I got my own circle of contacts (not for sharing).
As for Agencies, I wouldn't know what's the most reliable there at present But from feedback on here it seems the most reliable, albeit expensive is http://gia-escort.com/.
You can always speed interview girls from backpage or other agencies at the lobby of your hotel or nearby coffee house at intervals of say 10 minutes or so to choose what you like. That's what I used to do in Kiev in the olden days. Girls I didn't like, I just made excuses or got security guy to tell the girl that she can't go up to my room. But I always sent back girls with 50 UA for Taxi money as I didn't want to burn bridges with agencies for future contact. Now the taxi money must be around 100 UA?
Have fun and don't be shy about asking questions on here as it will save you a lot of hassle and expenses when you land there.
Well, I enjoyed my time with my 18 year old tutor last night. Nothing close to sex but a fair amount of flirting from her even though I played it very non-flirtatiously. We cooked a nice dinner together and she sat close to me on the couch as we studied. On our third meeting she is already acting very comfortably toward me. She left fairly early (around 10) because she had an early class. Next time I plan to invite her to stay the night--to sleep, not to have sex--as my apartment is much closer to her school than her apartment and, of course, mine is much nicer. I doubt many Ukrainian men get this level of comfort from a girl in the time we have had together.
But more importantly, she said two of the most important phrases I could want to hear: "all my friends are jealous" and "one of my friends wants to come over with me next time if its OK."
Jonathan Pine
10-26-16, 19:31
Well, I enjoyed my time with my 18 year old tutor last night. Nothing close to sex but a fair amount of flirting from her even though I played it very non-flirtatiously. We cooked a nice dinner together and she sat close to me on the couch as we studied. On our third meeting she is already acting very comfortably toward me. She left fairly early (around 10) because she had an early class. Next time I plan to invite her to stay the night--to sleep, not to have sex--as my apartment is much closer to her school than her apartment and, of course, mine is much nicer. I doubt many Ukrainian men get this level of comfort from a girl in the time we have had together.
But more importantly, she said two of the most important phrases I could want to hear: "all my friends are jealous" and "one of my friends wants to come over with me next time if its OK."Yummy, if you don't mind sharing, how much do you pay her for the language lessons?
Here are some pictures from some girls from whom I got Viber / Whattsapp numbers and fotos. Some of the photos are made from me. I met and fucked them all. The prices have been between 40 to 100 and for one 300 . Is somebody interested in the numbers?I have contact information to trade with you as I am interested in your post and the numbers you have if you are willing to share. Please message me.
Does anyone have any contacts for semi pros. Looking to trade contact info and also looking for a trustworthy driver. Still new on the scene but will be in Kiev for at least 1 year so my contact list will grow over time which I will be willing to share with the community. Any assistance while I am starting out would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Yummy, if you don't mind sharing, how much do you pay her for the language lessons?Last year I was paying 150-200 UAH for 1 hour lesson. There is a school near Palats Sportu where you can get private lessons or semi-private for around the same price.
You can also just have a meal with them and you just pay for the meal, but many of them are not interested in meeting a foreigner and getting just a meal. The golden and easy years are gone in Kiev when so many young chicks was dreaming to meet a foreigner.
I am paying 100 UAH per hour of study. They don't work for a school. It is about half of the least expensive school and less than a fifth of the commercial schools. All my girls are well qualified and I was very selective on who I chose based on what I found on VK, their resumes, and communicating with them. I contacted about 60 girls, got about 25 responses, and narrowed it down to 5. One backed out when I got here. I have met with 4 and, because I saw one as a hopeless cause (very prudish and proper), I am working with 3.
The 18 year old is a C1 in English and is a native Russian speaker, recently broke up with her boyfriend, is from a small village about 150 KM north of Kiev on the Russian border, has worked as a tutor to high school kids, and is a full time student at the linguistics university. These are the types of things I looked for.
Further, I take my Russian lessons seriously, and I know they can see that. I am absolutely certain that the 3 that I am working with don't think I am a sex tourist. My backstory is foolproof mostly because it is 80% true. You might even say it is 95% true as that extra 15% is simply that I am actively looking to have sex with them or their friends and really, all girls know all guys want to have sex, so me not approaching them on that isn't a lie, it is just an unannounced omission.
I gave a light hug to all 3 girls I am working with when we first met in person (the 4th prudish one backed off from my hug). They may have been a little surprised by this, but I think it was normal for them. 2 of the 3 initiated a hug goodbye when we departed the first time.
All girls, whether they are Ukrainian or not, give subtle hints to their comfort / willingness / interest. You just need to really pay attention to what they are communicating to you.
Last year I was paying 150-200 UAH for 1 hour lesson. There is a school near Palats Sportu where you can get private lessons or semi-private for around the same price.
You can also just have a meal with them and you just pay for the meal, but many of them are not interested in meeting a foreigner and getting just a meal. The golden and easy years are gone in Kiev when so many young chicks was dreaming to meet a foreigner.Studying Russian is great but I would do that at home. Committing your time to a classroom or one girl with no interest in sharing her pussy is a waste of time. Go to McD, buy a milk shake, and try to chat with college girls. Most are not desensitized to foreigners and are often times excited by the interaction. It's honest and nobody will make judgements. Language skills are over rated.
Studying Russian is great but I would do that at home. Committing your time to a classroom or one girl with no interest in sharing her pussy is a waste of time. Go to McD, buy a milk shake, and try to chat with college girls. Most are not desensitized to foreigners and are often times excited by the interaction. It's honest and nobody will make judgements. Language skills are over rated.At home I can sit in a classroom with 10 other people with an ugly, old Russian instructor, and still pay $2000 for a week of intensive Russian language instruction. In Kiev, that pays for my flight (I am already on a trip to Europe for work), my apartment, food, and individual language instruction from 3 different very attractive young studentka who are certainly not desensitized to foreigners sitting in my apartment (second one came to my apartment tonight for the first time so I am making progress) while building a network of young people that I am certain will have significant benefits in the future. I also get to practice Russian on the street, in shops, and while visiting tourist attractions. When was the last time anyone had the opportunity to practice any Russian skills outside a classroom in the USA?
Further, if I want to fuck prostitutes, I can do that easily enough in the rest of my day (in fact, I did that last night and had a very mediocre experience). I have fucked almost 300 girls in "normal" P4P in my life. I just don't find it very interesting anymore. The hunt for the amateur is much more interesting to me. I'm playing a long game. My long game in Moscow lasted 3 years and those were the best sexual years of my life. I want to see if I can equal or surpass that in Ukraine.
And, I am not sure about Ukraine, but in Moscow language skills opened up much greater opportunities.
Rammstein2
10-27-16, 21:54
I am paying 100 UAH per hour of study. They don't work for a school. It is about half of the least expensive school and less than a fifth of the commercial schools. All my girls are well qualified and I was very selective on who I chose based on what I found on VK, their resumes, and communicating with them. I contacted about 60 girls, got about 25 responses, and narrowed it down to 5. One backed out when I got here. I have met with 4 and, because I saw one as a hopeless cause (very prudish and proper), I am working with 3At YummyPL Can you please help me and give me an address where to find these 100 UAH teaching girls. I want to stay in Kiev for a longer time and to learn the Russian language!
Thanks in advance.
Rammstein2
10-27-16, 21:58
I have contact information to trade with you as I am interested in your post and the numbers you have if you are willing to share. Please message me.I think its not possible for me because I have no rights to sent mails. Are you able to sent a mail?
At YummyPL Can you please help me and give me an address where to find these 100 UAH teaching girls. I want to stay in Kiev for a longer time and to learn the Russian language!
Thanks in advance.I'd like to know as well where I can find an innocent flower to visit my apartment for four bucks an hour.
Studying Russian is great but I would do that at home. Committing your time to a classroom or one girl with no interest in sharing her pussy is a waste of time. Go to McD, buy a milk shake, and try to chat with college girls. Most are not desensitized to foreigners and are often times excited by the interaction. It's honest and nobody will make judgements. Language skills are over rated.Well it was much more an experience than a real interest in taking some lessons. I just wanted to see if these girls, that were looking for someone till 25,28 or 30 years old, would agree to meet a guy older for some grivnias. Many girls weren't interested in it and some others said that wasn't enough money. The few times I went to the McD I didn't notice that some girls might be interested in talking with me. However I do that in the streets and in parks and it sometimes leads to a conversation, but usually nothing more.
Jonathan Pine
10-28-16, 09:47
I have done it personally. And I would have to say that it's very ineffective and time wasting. For me anyways. Why? Because the only reason they agree to meet you might very well be for the money. If you don't believe it. Try tell the girls that you'll no longer have paid lessons with them, but instead want to date them or fuck them. See how many will go for it? Very few. Most likely no one. By then you've already invested so much time and effort. It's more effective just chatting with girls in McDonalds or on the streets. Because you can weed out the ones that are not interested in you right away.
But this depends on the punters' age and appearance and charm. For older punters, paying them for "lessons" might be the only way to lure girls to meet them.
Bottom line, if one can date college aged girls in one's home country, one will be able to date college girls in Ukraine or Russia. If one can't get college girls in your country, it's very unlikely one will get college pussies in EE. So the only option is via money, but even that is extremely difficult.
The olden days are long gone. Stop day dreaming.
And my Russian language level is better than intermediate for those that are wondering.
Jonathan Pine
10-28-16, 11:16
I get what you're playing at, I've been there myself. So my advice to you is 3 lessons maximum for each tutor, than it's cards on the table time. If you sense she's unlikely go to further with you very soon, you'll have to cut your losses quickly.
And don't be fooled by these 18 year old girls. They've had more cocks already than most girls in the West at 21. So you need to firm, be in total control. If you show a bit of weakness (you might think it's kindness), they'll eat you alive. This is for young college girls that think they're hot shit. For the 30 year old divorced single mothers, the strategy is to be kind too them. After all they're in the shitty situation that they're at now was exactly because they went with the bad boys when they were younger. Now they appreciate guys that are kinder and softer.
In general I'd advice against meeting girls through language lessons. Too time consuming. Even if you live locally.
Regardless, I wish you good luck.
This girl. For those who love hard anal sex (inexpensive.) 24-25 years of age. Not a model, like a little Vietnamese girl from film about Wietnam War.
https://www.facebook.com/marinka.marinoczka
Sucks dick passionately. She does not speak any languages other than Slavonic. I fucked her three times a year ago. I can not call it beauty but its advantages is the pretty face and big beautiful eyes. Elastic body, her ass is not bad, but the waist is not visible. Perhaps the most good and sexy it is a big firm Ukrainian breasts)) yes) Unfortunately her shoulders as wide as her waist.
Great hot and heavy breasts. We speak Russian. I gave her then 400 hryvnia. Now she is asking 500-600 hryvnia from local men (She has two children).
(600 with anal sex) .
Simple girl from some village or small poor city 100 km. Near Kiev.
I think its not possible for me because I have no rights to sent mails. Are you able to sent a mail?You need to pay for a membership for me to send you a private message. If you have info to share and you are in Kiev, pay for the membership and we can exchange contact info then. I will pay you back for the expense if you have info to share.
Reiner Otto
10-28-16, 17:56
1) My long game in Moscow lasted 3 years and those were the best sexual years of my life.
2)And, I am not sure about Ukraine, but in Moscow language skills opened up much greater opportunities.1) Same for me, 5 yrs in Peter.
2) Me, too. Also had an excellent Russian language teacher in UA.
Her photo (although few years old) was on the title page of Anastasiaweb. Needed quite a few lessons before getting some result.
But, as you wrote, this approach is for a long term visitor only.
And don't be fooled by these 18 year old girls. They've had more cocks already than most girls in the West at 21.I don't disagree but I have had interesting experiences with much less experienced girls. The fact is I prefer a girl that has had a few cocks in her. In Moscow, I actually had a 21 year old virgin who thought I was going to ask her to marry me. She didn't tell me she was a virgin until after I started entering her and she started almost yelling "It hurts, it hurts. " It was really clear she was a virgin with the blood. I dumped her the next day. If she had told me she was a virgin, I would never had tried to fuck her. I know, I know, it sounds impossible, but it is true. This girl had even already traveled to the USA for a summer and China for a year. I didn't even know what to do.
As one of the mongers here wrote a long time ago, "money is no substitute for charm" and it is still possible to woo a girl if you make the right moves. I will never be effective at the short game. I am too old and not good looking enough. But, I am very skilled at the long game. I am VERY skilled at building trust and some girls still go for that.
CallSign Papa
10-28-16, 21:47
And don't be fooled by these 18 year old girls. They've had more cocks already than most girls in the West at 21.Judging by your posts so far, you're all opinion and no actual reports. Do feel free to actually report your boots on the ground experience because clearly you know more than the rest of us.
Rammstein2
10-28-16, 23:29
This girl is permanently offering her service in mamba since I am a mamba follower. I don't look for such girls who are full time prostitutes. But we wrote a lot of times while we both were online. You can see her face also in mamba so its no problem to public her face here. I am chatting with here in whattsapp. +3809XXXXX489. She wants to have 200 for a night and 500 for the week. Her name is Alenka and she also used some other names. On my list she is number 224 in file E = trash girls.
Have fun with her.
When you start believing all girls will share their pussy with an older foreigner, you have crossed into delusional. When your ego tells you that a girl will like you if you can just corner her attention, you have again crossed the line into delusional.
And don't be fooled by these 18 year old girls. They've had more cocks already than most girls in the West at 21.
Regardless, I wish you good luck.Based on what? I've met the horniest and sluttiest girls in UK. When I went to Burgas. Bars or clubs full of wasted 14 year old sluts. Kiev with its population and having what 10 clubs in total is a far cry. Girls in the west are way open minded when it comes to sex and party and there are many more venues and opportunities for that compared to other poor developing countries like Ukraine. I also find Russian / Ukr prostititues a lot colder than the girls in the west (condoms for everything, etc).
When you start believing all girls will share their pussy with an older foreigner, you have crossed into delusional. When your ego tells you that a girl will like you if you can just corner her attention, you have again crossed the line into delusional.I don't think anyone would argue against that. But there are literally tens of thousands of exquisite girls in Kiev. If you can find a few of the 1% that will, then you have a good thing going.
I said I will never have a strong short game. I actually think the most important aspect of a good short game, other than the requisite confidence, is a good smile. I am fairly confident but I don't have a nice smile. I don't look approachable or friendly. My teeth are not nice and when I smile, unless it is super genuine, it looks more like an evil grin than a smile. It is not good for picking up girls.
But something as simple as taking a girl's coat is HUGE. Some of these girls have never had that kind of treatment in their lives.
So my progress. Yesterday I was sitting on the couch in my apartment with the 18 year old. We were sitting sideways facing each other with our backs against each end of the couch. We were like this off-and-on for a couple of hours when she extended her legs and basically put her feet against my legs that were crossed under me. It was innocent enough, but not something I would expect to be done without thought. I basically ignored them for quite some time. Eventually I took one of them in my hands and started giving it a massage. This was the very first blatantly flirtations thing I have done. I'm not saying I have not flirted. I just have kept it on the very mild side of flirting. She sorta pulled her foot away a bit and said something along the lines "eewww, feet are gross" but I told her I like her feet. She let me continue to massage them. I did nothing more than that.
Today she arrived at my apartment at 10 AM. I took her coat, and she took off her boots. As she did this, she said to me "I have a surprise for you. I bought these last night because I thought you might like them" She was wearing obviously newly bought and brightly colored toe-socks (the kind of socks with individual toes). Is that something a girl who is not at all interested in me would do?
This girl is 18-fucking-years-old and is very attractive. I could not have dreamed of getting this girl in the USA even when I was 30, much less now. When she left today I gave her a kiss for the first time. It was light, short, and not at all sexual, but it was a real kiss and she kissed back.
She and I have not touched a drop of alcohol together. In the 7 times I have met with her I have spent a little over $100 on meals of which more than half was eaten by me, and about $80 on Russian language tutoring which has truly been productive. Maybe we will never have sex, but personally, I think it is money very well spent. I am building exactly the kind of relationship I want with this girl. I know, I know, she is probably just using me. But, I can easily pay for sex any time I want. This particular hunt is starting to be very fun.
By the way, I dropped another girl that wasn't going anywhere interesting. I am down to two for this trip after 1 week, but I am not unhappy. Next week I am in Germany, and if I want to have sex, I have dozens of FKKs to choose from.
And for those asking which specific website I used. I really have no desire to spread that all over this board. However, this isn't fucking rocket science. First, what kind of websites do people use to look for work? WTF, it isn't that fucking hard to figure it out. Second, you are not going to get an "Innocent flower" to meet with you for Russian lessons unless you can disarm them and give them a reason to believe you. I dropped a girl this morning because she told me her mother freaked out when the girl told her about me and she promised her mother she wouldn't go to my apartment. I won't be meeting this girl again.
And attached photo is me. Not super great, but not bad for a 48 year old guy. I'm 191cm tall and am in good shape. Maybe charm isn't the only thing going for me.
Based on what? I've met the horniest and sluttiest girls in UK. When I went to Burgas. Bars or clubs full of wasted 14 year old sluts. Kiev with its population and having what 10 clubs in total is a far cry. Girls in the west are way open minded when it comes to sex and party and there are many more venues and opportunities for that compared to other poor developing countries like Ukraine.I don't think Jonathan is referring to drunk sluts and prostitutes. He's right, Ua girls have had more cock then girls in the West at 21. Forget about Kiev, it's not Ukraine. Go on VK and look at the photos of social pacts of young people doing other things together like camping and trips. Just because they don't have access to venues does not mean they do not come together to have fun. I've had my share of teens and all have had multiple threesomes with friends when most young Americans would have been lucky just to rub a clit. Find a sexual Ua girl to open up to you. She will tell you that she fucked her teacher, that her boyfriend arranged paid sex with someone she wanted to fuck, that she and her girlfriends have licked each others pussies. I'm really jealous sometimes when I see these groups of young and pretty Ukrainians all in love with one another in my home city. The girls are not making judgements on their guys as to their financial worth at that point in life and their is little cultural restriction from having fun together. I feel sad when I look at young American guys with low pay work. Where's the pussy for them?
I don't think Jonathan is referring to drunk sluts and prostitutes. He's right, Ua girls have had more cock then girls in the West at 21. Forget about Kiev, it's not Ukraine. Go on VK and look at the photos of social pacts of young people doing other things together like camping and trips. Just because they don't have access to venues does not mean they do not come together to have fun. I've had my share of teens and all have had multiple threesomes with friends when most young Americans would have been lucky just to rub a clit. Find a sexual Ua girl to open up to you. She will tell you that she fucked her teacher, that her boyfriend arranged paid sex with someone she wanted to fuck, that she and her girlfriends have licked each others pussies. I'm really jealous sometimes when I see these groups of young and pretty Ukrainians all in love with one another in my home city. The girls are not making judgements on their guys as to their financial worth at that point in life and their is little cultural restriction from having fun together. I feel sad when I look at young American guys with low pay work. Where's the pussy for them?Love your post and get your point. I agree about US guys. Where in Ukraine if not Kiev?
Love your post and get your point. I agree about US guys. Where in Ukraine if not Kiev?I just meant what most of us here see in Kiev's night clubs is not a reflection of Ukrainian life for young people.
I don't think anyone would argue against that. But there are literally tens of thousands of exquisite girls in Kiev. If you can find a few of the 1% that will, then you have a good thing going.
Exactly. We try to find that small percentage that does want to meet us and I'm not talking about hard hoes. I'm talking about girls still whole of their emotions and feelings before they rub a jillion dicks.
Jonathan Pine
10-30-16, 12:01
I don't think Jonathan is referring to drunk sluts and prostitutes. He's right, Ua girls have had more cock then girls in the West at 21. Forget about Kiev, it's not Ukraine. Go on VK and look at the photos of social pacts of young people doing other things together like camping and trips. Just because they don't have access to venues does not mean they do not come together to have fun. I've had my share of teens and all have had multiple threesomes with friends when most young Americans would have been lucky just to rub a clit. Find a sexual Ua girl to open up to you. She will tell you that she fucked her teacher, that her boyfriend arranged paid sex with someone she wanted to fuck, that she and her girlfriends have licked each others pussies. I'm really jealous sometimes when I see these groups of young and pretty Ukrainians all in love with one another in my home city. The girls are not making judgements on their guys as to their financial worth at that point in life and their is little cultural restriction from having fun together. I feel sad when I look at young American guys with low pay work. Where's the pussy for them?You just described what I wanted to say, only you said it better.
I was on allure massage, with a girl called Alysa, died redhead, she made me excellent kiss body massage for 850 grivna, one hour of massage beginning by legs, then back combined with some strategical kisses and ended in manual job, excellent, I finished as a new man.
Thomas Hoffman
10-31-16, 14:41
Gents,
Apologies for spending your precious time, but would be happy for a bit of advice.
I'll have my first visit in Kiev this weekend. I am looking for some nice company to stay the night from 19 one evening to 10 the following morning. I've found a couple of pages, where the girls look splendid but would value your advice:
Relaxkiev.com
Sexbombua.com
As a person with no experience from Kiev, the services and the girls look but, but knowledge from other countries leaves me doubtful. Is it too good to be true. My question are therefore:
What's your experience with these sites?
If I should not use them, which site should I use?
Thank you so much for your advice!
Tom
Gents,
Apologies for spending your precious time, but would be happy for a bit of advice.
I'll have my first visit in Kiev this weekend. I am looking for some nice company to stay the night from 19 one evening to 10 the following morning. I've found a couple of pages, where the girls look splendid but would value your advice:
Relaxkiev.com
Sexbombua.com
As a person with no experience from Kiev, the services and the girls look but, but knowledge from other countries leaves me doubtful. Is it too good to be true. My question are therefore:
What's your experience with these sites?
If I should not use them, which site should I use?
Thank you so much for your advice!
TomYou summed up the situation very well: "Is it too good to be true. ".
Have a look at the old posts and you will know all in details, the bait-and-switch, the extra amount to pay and of course you will never get the girl on the photo.
Komnetkijken
10-31-16, 21:14
This girl is permanently offering her service in mamba since I am a mamba follower. I don't look for such girls who are full time prostitutes. But we wrote a lot of times while we both were online. You can see her face also in mamba so its no problem to public her face here. I am chatting with here in whattsapp. +3809XXXXX489. She wants to have 200 for a night and 500 for the week. Her name is Alenka and she also used some other names. On my list she is number 224 in file E = trash girls.
Have fun with her.Hi Rammstein2,
I'll be visiting Kiev somewhere in December. As preparation I'm going through this form and see you've accumulated quite some contacts and shared many photos. Including quite some stunners. Are you able to send me some contact details via PM? Thanks, and rest assured I'll share my experiences here.
Hey boys,
I'm not your "average" monger, and I rarely sleep with professionals, but there's just something intriguing about it. I'm basically only using Tinder here, and after 300+ matches and like 50 phone numbers, I do have a wide selection. The problem however is my personal bandwidth, haha. From what I've learned, both through other guys' reports and my own personal experience, Ukrainian girls are quite conservative when it comes to meeting guys the first time (s). At least compared to girls in Western Europe, or even Romania and Czech Republic. I mean, it's fine, but I just got to get used to it. I have so many potential girls, but having to spend 2-3 dates with 50 chicks is impossible, and it's hard to choose whom I'll hone in on. I've got 6 weeks here now, so we'll see what happens. Tons hotties at the office too. But as they say "don't shit where you."
Anyways!
That being said, could I please have some recommendations for some decent, working girls in this city? I'm not loaded at the moment, and my standards are not sky-high. Just decent looking girls (7+) that don't charge you out the nose. Thinking like 1.000-1.500/ HR.
I was walking near ocean plaza, when a guy offered me to visit a flat in Baseina, I was curious and I accepted just to take a look, but once there I saw 5 stunning beauties, I got a blonde blue eyed one, 1700 grivnas one hour, it was 3 AM and she so sleepy, anyway she did a good job, for sure 4 hours earlier I would get an excellent one, first massage, then BJ with condom and fuck, I was thinking those flats are so bad, but I changed my mind so fast.
Hi everybody,
I'm new here and sorry for being an inexperienced forum logger. Anyways, I'm going to be in Ukraine for the month of November starting from Lviv, to Kiev, to Kharkiv. Looking for local guides or people that are traveling to Ukraine during November 2016. Would appreciate any tips / ideas / places to visit / go to hit up on some gaming on girls.
Thanks in advance.
Here is the my brief review about last 3 days business trip to Kiev.
Before my trip I spent some time on mamba and got 15 contacts. Contacted one of the youngest girls when I arrived and she told me she will be in my place at 8. Asked 2000 uah for 2 hours. Waited till 8-30 and then called her, she didn't respond. Since it was getting late and I was tired gave a call to one of my old lady friends and she came over in 40 minutes. Next day contacted another of my mamba girls and surprisingly she arrived in 20 minutes, later I found out that she lives few miles away from me. She was nice, 24 yo half ukrainian half greek girl. Asked me if I have a whiskey since I don't drink alcohol we went to store to buy whiskey. Surprisingly she picked the cheapest one and mixed coke with whiskey on the street and started drinking on our way back to my place. I wasn't happy with that but didn't let it to bother me. As soon as we were in my place she asked me to bang her. Stayed 2 hours we had sex twice, very active in the bed likes to switch the positions only negative part weak BJ with cover. I asked her if she has a friend she told me she has 4 friends and show me pictures. I choose hot looking brunette and she scheduled with her meeting for same day. Paid 100 $. Her friend was little late but she was worth waiting. She stayed 2 hours and since was tired already had sex with her once. Paid her also 100 $. She offered me to have threesome for next day. I accepted it. Unfortunately since I was in Kiev only 3 days couldn't meet with other girls from mamba. IMHO mamba still is the best place to meet girls in Kiev. Most mamba girls I met online asked 100 $ for few hours. One 2000 uah but she didn't show up. Two super hot looking VS model type of girls asked 200 $ for 1-2 hours but since I didn't meet with them can't say anything. I will be back in Kiev end of November and planning to meet new girls. If anyone knows nice looking girls who provides BBBJ please let me know, I promise I will send you contacts also.
So, I'm back in Stuttgart now. 11 Days in Kiev and no sex except for the prostitute that I had a very mediocre experience with.
However, I had an interesting time with my 18 year old tutor (the one I kissed the night before). We were working late in my apartment and she was more friendly than she had been with sitting very close to me on the couch as we practiced my Russian. She was flirting and we were casually touching. It was about midnight and she said she had to go home and I offered for her to stay the night. I told her she could use the bedroom if she wanted to and that the door had a lock if it made her more comfortable. She clearly hesitated but accepted. We continued to study a while longer and I started giving her a bit of a massage to which she responded very positively. She laid down on the couch with her chest on my lap and I continued to massage her. I undid her bra and she did not protest. After a while of this I turned her over and picked her up and carried her to the bedroom. I laid her on the bed and started to undo her pants. She said something to the effect of "I can't, I have a boyfriend. " Hahahaha!
In any case, I assured her I would not touch her sexually and she then allowed me to take off her top and pants but not panties. I stayed true to my word and proceeded to give her a massage for 30 minutes or more and when she said she needed to go to bed. I said ok and started to leave the room and she said it was OK if I slept with her if I promised not to try anything. So I said ok, and told her I needed to get ready to sleep. We both prepared to sleep (going to the bathroom and such), and then we went to bed and she cuddled up with me until we went to sleep.
The next day she woke up and went to class. Later in the afternoon I asked her if she wanted to do an "escape games" type of thing. She agreed. It was for 2-5 people so I told her she could invite friends if she wanted to. She invited a guy and a girl. The guy was her boyfriend! I was cool with that. It turns out he was (I think) much better looking than me and he was 19 years old. However he was shorter than she was so much shorter than me.
We did the game, and the coolest thing was I completely emasculated him intellectually. I solved several of the puzzles that he couldn't solve and quickly solved some other puzzles before he even had a chance. It wasn't even a contest. It was clear the girl was impressed and so was her friend (she was not very attractive to me).
After the game, all three of them left (my tutor left with her boyfriend). I sent her a note a few hours later on WhatsApp and it wasn't showing delivered. The next morning I get an email from her saying her boyfriend insisted that she block me on WhatsApp! Hahahaha!
In any case, I left that morning (Tuesday) without seeing her again, but she says she wants to stay in touch and would like to see me the next time I visit.
The other tutor I got to my apartment didn't progress much but she clearly is trusting me. She also wants to work with me the next time I am in Kiev.
Not a bad time and my social experiment had some success. I am not disappointed. I figure I have a decent chance of at least more fun next time if not sex. I look forward to seeing both again.
Jonathan Pine
11-02-16, 21:01
So, I'm back in Stuttgart now. 11 Days in Kiev and no sex except for the prostitute that I had a very mediocre experience with.
However, I had an interesting time with my 18 year old tutor (the one I kissed the night before). We were working late in my apartment and she was more friendly than she had been with sitting very close to me on the couch as we practiced my Russian. She was flirting and we were casually touching. It was about midnight and she said she had to go home and I offered for her to stay the night. I told her she could use the bedroom if she wanted to and that the door had a lock if it made her more comfortable. She clearly hesitated but accepted. We continued to study a while longer and I started giving her a bit of a massage to which she responded very positively. She laid down on the couch with her chest on my lap and I continued to massage her. I undid her bra and she did not protest. After a while of this I turned her over and picked her up and carried her to the bedroom. I laid her on the bed and started to undo her pants. She said something to the effect of "I can't, I have a boyfriend. " Hahahaha!
In any case, I assured her I would not touch her sexually and she then allowed me to take off her top and pants but not panties..I'm sorry you didn't score, yummy.
Having said that, I had mentioned several times in the board that all girls there have boyfriends. And that they're attracted to you does not mean they will fuck you. I learned my lesson, pun intended. I figured why pay some girls for lessons just so they can go buy some groceries and then fuck their boyfriends. I'm better off chatting up girls in McDonald's because you'll weed up the pretenders sooner.
I also said the girls there had more cocks than girls of the same age group in the West. Girls and boys are active sexually at a young age over there. What else can people do for fun other than fucking each other in their shitty and utterly depressing country. Can you blame them?
Riina's comments also share my sentiments about the local dating / screwing scene. You guys need to wake up.
Yes all the girls have boyfriends or fuck buddies whatever you want to call it. They just wouldn't tell you.
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