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I have seen following abbreviation at some escort site, have no clue what it is, any idea.
MPG.
ZHMZH.
KUNI.
ICBM
I have seen following abbreviation at some escort site, have no clue what it is, any idea.
MPG.
ZHMZH.
KUNI.
ICBMKuni + cunnilingus.
ZhMZh = Female Male Female.
Can't help with others.
Horny American
08-08-18, 03:57
Can't PM you and I'm not posting their names or contact info for them to be flooded with guys looking for the easy score. Last time that happened she got very mad at me that it made her look like a hardcore prostitute instead of an UTR girl just making some occasional cash on the side.
Thanks for the informative posts! Care to share a Mamba profile for an unlucky novice? All I get is fake profiles who cannot speak English at all.
PhotoSlider
08-08-18, 06:02
I have seen following abbreviation at some escort site, have no clue what it is, any idea.
MPG.
ZHMZH.
KUNI.
ICBMI can guess three, maybe four of these, as related to Russian:
MPG: "malye polovye guby" or labia minora, inner vaginal lips.
Zh-M-Zh: "Zhenschina-Muzhchina-Zhenschina" or Female-Male-Female in threesome.
Kuni: Cuni or cunilingus.
ICBM: Intentional Cock Blocking Maneuver, also Incomplete Bowel Movement. Plus some other options.
Google the latter against Urban Dictionary.
No disrespect to the member that shared his exploits. All legitimate reports are appreciated here. But them are little fat ones. You've made a terrible mistake if you traveled to Ukraine for that kind of quality. You're better off coming to Chicago, we're having a surge of J1 students. You can meet them for $140. You can expect a CBJ and a big time YMMV experience. Things can get real fun fast with girls so full of their feelings and emotions. I'm talking about skinny girls with tiny waists.
Off topic, but post Sesta / Fosta in the US has been the best mongering months of my life. All these J! Russians that would of worked for high end agencies are coming to Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers.
John Corey
08-09-18, 21:43
I'm sorry, but them are very average looking tutes. Just come to Chicago, we have skinny tall ones on J1 student visa's. You can meet them for $140.Is there a particular escort website or word of mouth. Would appreciate a heads up.
Thanks.
JC.
John Corey
08-09-18, 23:57
http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5225-Escort-ReportsThank you very much.
JC.
Horny American
08-10-18, 03:44
This has nothing to do with Kiev, why bother posting it? All these other locations that you talk about and prefer over Kiev all have their own boards.
Why come here and constantly put everything down? Why bother? If you don't like it just stay away. Always complaining it's too expensive, too much work and that the girls are ugly etc.
If you can't bring relevant info to this board it's just useless.
http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5225-Escort-Reports
http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-dasha-30737
This Russian girl I'm posting a link to is a very good example of why monger travel is less worth it these days. She's a beautiful girl on a J1 that saw the opportunity to make money and keep her privacy. If you traveled to Moscow and spent loads of cash, you would not find a girl like Dasha. You would find a pussy rubbed by a 1000 Ruski dick. Their's similar students in Kiev, but that's become a very selective game that's not open to everyone. Too many members here think it's still the old days where young and pretty girls had to come out as prostitutes.
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PhotoSlider
08-10-18, 17:12
This has nothing to do with Kiev, why bother posting it? All these other locations that you talk about and prefer over Kiev all have their own boards.
Why come here and constantly put everything down? Why bother? If you don't like it just stay away. Always complaining it's too expensive, too much work and that the girls are ugly etc.
If you can't bring relevant info to this board it's just useless.Dude!
You certainly have a reason to object to ongoing whining from DramaFree and alike, but with Riina you surely picked a wrong guy here. While we may disagree with certain details in recent Chicago Ukrainian post, I am grateful for his expert contribution to Kiev Forum on dozens and dozens occasions over many years. Riina brings sanity and balance to ever changing discussions.
Anyway, here is how I would compare Chicago to Kiev for a 30 days visit. It is an extended stay, and not everybody goes for that long or intense, but I am staying even longer than that myself. Kozerog does 90 days during summer.
Flight: $1500.
AirBnB: $50/ day = $1500.
Mongering: two different girls a day on average, 2000 UAH each. Sometimes I do GIA or Rio, sometimes 1200 UAH a pop, sometimes free, sometimes 5 different girls in 24 hours or 1 sweetie for a week. $150 a day for entertainment is a fair budget. I prefer calculating per girl. Doing it per pop makes it even lower.
Total is $7,500 a month for 60 girls makes $125 per girl. Riina's Dasha is at least double that, if not more. She sure is a gulp of fresh water in a hot lifeless desert. Actually I am glad that global economy spreads beauties around the world, and myself have had opportunities with Ukrainian girls similar to Riina's in other cities: Madrid, Warsaw etc.
I know my case above might seem extreme, but I am who I am.
Apartment can be less or more, same for flight. If Kiev visit is shorter, and no prior connections are established, then prorated expense per unit of consumption goes considerably higher.
DramaFree11
08-10-18, 19:40
]I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.
Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.
Riina, is correct. I just do not understand how guys refuse to report the facts. For a Newbie or a guys with a little experience, Kiev will be very difficult and frustrating. Many barriers to entry and obstacle to overcome:
1. Too many Sex Tourist.
2. Can be expensive if you do not know what you are doing and always a scam around the corner.
3. Good lucking girls long gone.
4. The city is dead after 9 pm, maybe a little busier during the summer months and Fridays.
5. Zero Night Life.
6. The normal girls are not that interested in Foreign Guys any more, like the past.
7. Too much weekend money there now.
8. Strip Clubs and Gia poor quality and way too expensive.
Bottom line, if you can get an airline ticket for under $400 US, check it out you will probably let done. There are much better destinations.
I also worry about the guys that book there a vacations to go to Kiev, and I wish some of the more optimistic people on this page would be more realistic.
If you want to approach 15-25 girls a day and spend 1-3 hours on the computer, then you can maybe build a stable, but it will mostly be of average and some would.
Say below average girls, knock yourself out. This is major commitment, takes a lot of time and work, just not that easy.
Kiev is a nice place and if you are smart it can be very cheap, for girls no, sorry.
I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.
Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.I disagree, so far every post you put up is exactly what he says, nothing but complaining. Maybe the first time you posted of your complaints it was informative but there is no need to constantly say the same thing over and over again like a broken record.
Let others, I repeat, others make judgment for themselves by RTFF. People will surely come across at least one of your repeat posts describing your opinion. No need to droning on and on about it. I don't see the same people who have positive things to say repeat themselves over and over again. At least not to the level that you do.
Because when it boils down to it, 75% of your gripes with the country are being experienced the same no matter where you go.
It's what you call "keeping up with th times".
http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5225-Escort-ReportsI am in Chicago for business quite a bit and I haven't managed to come across any providers that are decent looking that don't charge an exorbitant amount. I'll have to try these out next time I am there.
$140 for that kind of action is a steal.
I work and live in Houston which is pretty active when it comes to mongering in the US and it's tough to get anything of that caliber for that price.
But hey, if it's legit then thanks for the info.
Horny American
08-11-18, 03:06
Well, I'm not a shill so just add that to the list of things that you're wrong about. It's a long list.
And now you're acting like a spoiled 5 yo calling the ladies "fat" when not a single one of them weighs more than 125-130 lbs max.
What you and every monger here needs to do is ask yourself? Have I contributed? Have I helped anybody here in a Kiev? If the answer is yes, then great. If not, then why are you here?
This board is supposed to be us helping each other get laid here in Kiev. Not others places (they have boards) and not to try to run people off.
Like stated before, some guys come here for family, for work or even to follow their favorite soccer team and if they want action while in Kiev then they should be able to find it here.
I have reported on success from strip clubs, mamba, by using door men and etc.
What have you done? Besides complain and tell people not to come to Kiev.
I can post about an awesome lady I met in Amsterdam, but what good is that here?
I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.
Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.
]I sincerely believe you are a shill. I know you don't care if a member wastes thousands of dollars only to find disappointment in Kiev. Every post I make has context to help members understand reality.
Best of luck with your worn out little fat ones.
Riina, is correct. I just do not understand how guys refuse to report the facts. For a Newbie or a guys with a little experience, Kiev will be very difficult and frustrating. Many barriers to entry and obstacle to overcome:
1. Too many Sex Tourist.
2. Can be expensive if you do not know what you are doing and always a scam around the corner.
3. Good lucking girls long gone.
4. The city is dead after 9 pm, maybe a little busier during the summer months and Fridays.
5. Zero Night Life.
6. The normal girls are not that interested in Foreign Guys any more, like the past.
7. Too much weekend money there now.
8. Strip Clubs and Gia poor quality and way too expensive.
Bottom line, if you can get an airline ticket for under $400 US, check it out you will probably let done. There are much better destinations.
I also worry about the guys that book there a vacations to go to Kiev, and I wish some of the more optimistic people on this page would be more realistic.
If you want to approach 15-25 girls a day and spend 1-3 hours on the computer, then you can maybe build a stable, but it will mostly be of average and some would.
Say below average girls, knock yourself out. This is major commitment, takes a lot of time and work, just not that easy.
Kiev is a nice place and if you are smart it can be very cheap, for girls no, sorry.I also agree with Riina and DramaFee11. I've spent nearly 2 years of my life in Ukraine with mostly long stays (around 3 months a year). I used to know the years just after 2000 when girls was interested in meeting and dating foreigners, what is nearly not the case anymore. They have their own boyfriend now, most of them don't care about dating a foreigner. They usually see them as sex tourists.
1. Too many Sex Tourist. Definitely too many of them. Now there are even Asian sex tourists. 15 years ago there were nearly no Turkish guys in Ukraine.
2. Scams, yeah there are some of them. You just have to learn how to avoid them, but it takes time. So it can be difficult for a newbie.
3. Good lucking girls long gone. There are still some pretty or very pretty girls in Kiev, but that's right that many pretty ones just work abroad. Last year I met a winner of a pageant contest. She was just passing by in Ukraine, just for a few weeks, because she works as an escort abroad. Some of them find a normal job and then they work abroad.
4. The city is dead after 9 pm, maybe a little busier during the summer months and Fridays.
5. Zero Night Life.
I don't care about Night Life, so I don't know about that.
6. The normal girls are not that interested in Foreign Guys any more, like the past.
SO TRUE. They have their own boyfriend or sponsors, they don't need foreigners anymore. Furthermore if they want a foreigner, they don't need one, that stays in Ukraine. They can fly 1-2 weeks and stay in their sponsor's place in Western Europe or other countries now. They don't need a visa. Their sponsors will pay everything. So why to bother with a foreigner in Kiev? Much better to go abroad. They do that quite a lot with some rich Polish guys, easier to understand, similar culture.
Of course if you are a foreigner good looking guy, you could have some luck here. However I saw some good looking guys that had no success here too. They spent so much money for nothing, no sex at all.
8. Strip Clubs and Gia poor quality and way too expensive.
Prices are similar of what you can get in Western Europe with more diversities.
15 years ago on dating website, I could get about 40 % messages back to date normal girls. Now it must be around 5 % with the same pictures. They get too many messages from guys all over the world and not so much interested in meeting foreigners like before. My ex ukrainian girlfriend wasn't even interested in living in Western Europe. She wanted that we live in Kiev together. She was eager to visit Western Europe, but not to live there.
PhotoSlider
08-12-18, 02:31
PhotoSlider Drama Volpone,
Thank you very much for the support. It's interesting the members attacking me have like ten posts to their names. It says a lot about them.Discussing whose dick is thicker and longer is a clear sign of conversation deterioration. That happened before. No sweat.
"Zero night life in Kiev" - my ass! The fact that some wannabes have been rejected or dumped doesn't mean there are no beautiful ladies available. Night life is there any time of the day or night.
I am not trying to argue or convince anybody. Will not get into pissing contest either rating my Kiev GFs and one night stands or comparing them with equally fascinating specimen in Thailand, Columbia or Sweden. Whining losers may continue their pointless complaints. Lack of female attention transforms into Forum pollution.
Instead I am flying out to Kiev myself soon for yet another session of checking out the pussy availability and quality on the ground with all five senses. Somehow despite the numerous challenges pussy of all shapes, tastes and attitudes is still there year after year. My problem in Kiev is bandwidth congestion, difficulty to chose, the need to avoid some of the overlapping dates, constantly optimizing.
Lots of foreign guys mistakenly believe the horror stories, and stop day dreaming about EE princesses making love for peanuts. Boys from UK, Germany, US and all over the World do not buy airplane tickets to Ukraine anymore. Kiev-Borispyl Airport goes bankrupt. Village girls leave back to Sumy, Kharkiv and L'viv.
Does it mean that average price per act of romantic encounter will go down?
Does it mean that me and others praising Kiev leads to scarcity, inflation and spoiled providers due to more fierce competition between males?
Here is my firm belief on the subject:
1. Guys will keep coming to Kiev. For many reasons, most of the time not related to mongering. It is not wise to ignore high class entertainment in the Capital City.
2. Many will either have pussy lined up upon arrival or search for the object of desire.
3. Pessimistic participants deduce that Ukrainian girls will break the multi-generational tradition and disappear to Dubai and Paris. Indeed some girls are free to travel internationally, yet many are bound one way or the other despite visa-free.
Well, why GIA reincarnation took less than 3 months after the bust? Why this lucrative and reliable pipeline should ever go dry? Volume estimates are anywhere from half a million dollars a day per City of Kiev to billion dollars a year for the whole country of Ukraine.
Nothing will radically change during my next visit. Yes, River Palace is not there and dollar is not 4 UAH anymore. So what?
If you have doubts then do not go. More pussy for those of us who will.
PhotoSlider
08-12-18, 22:35
http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-dasha-30737
This Russian girl I'm posting a link to is a very good example of why monger travel is less worth it these days. She's a beautiful girl on a J1 that saw the opportunity to make money and keep her privacy. If you traveled to Moscow and spent loads of cash, you would not find a girl like Dasha. You would find a pussy rubbed by a 1000 Ruski dick. Their's similar students in Kiev, but that's become a very selective game that's not open to everyone. Too many members here think it's still the old days where young and pretty girls had to come out as prostitutes.GIA has a new girl named Dasha as of today. Somehow I do not think this is a pure coincidence. GIA management monitoring Kiev Forum is not certain, but might have happened.
Member #4722
08-13-18, 06:38
I actually respect Dramafree as he seems well travelled. HOWEVER, he and I seem to travel in similar circles and he hypes up Tijuana as one of the cities he thinks is way better for mongering than Kiev and as a Tijuana and Kiev vet I would say they are not even close. Everyone has different opinions and I live close to Tijuana so maybe I am spoiled but the quality in Kiev is on a whole other level than what you can get in Mexico and it's not even close. Of course your mileage may vary and everything is dependent on age / looks / game but I go to Mexico twice a month and these activities are just holding me over until my next trip to Kyiv!
Just finishing 90 day visit to Kiev. Met 25 times this summer with girl I met last year. 4 hour meets twice weekly at 4000 uah each meet, plus I gave her 27000 bonus at end, so about 127000 uah in all, about $4700 at current exchange rate.
Girl made a few comments over the course of the summer to the effect that she is tired of sex work, that it's a dead end business, especially for women past age 30 (she's 26 herself, or a few years older than she originally told me), customers are too often unpleasant and bad-smelling cheapskates, plus she's seeing less customers each year, risk of police trouble, etc. My thinking in being generous was that, even if she leaves the business, she might arrange a job where she can slip out twice weekly in the afternoon in the summer to see me, and thus make some easy extra money that way. And if she eventually gets married, she can keep our meetings a secret from the husband, since we're never seen together in public. Husband shouldn't care anyway, since we always use a condom, plus I'm 36 years older than her, so hardly a real rival, plus I was with her first.
Obviously, I could always get a replacement, especially given the amount of money I'm spending. But as I noted in my last post, I don't care that much about sex anymore, in the sense that the prospect of sex doesn't really excite me, though at the same time I know I need occasional sex and I don't have a problem getting and keeping erections once I get naked next to the girl (50 MG sildenafil probably helps). So there's a risk that, if I lose this current girl, I'll be too lazy and too afraid of bad experiences to bother finding another, which would put me back into celibacy, which wouldn't be painful (precisely because of that lack of strong sexual desire) but which would leave my life feeling empty compared to what it is now. So best keep her indefinitely if I can.
I may be an extreme case but I think other men, especially older men, can learn from my example. After digging through the rubbish heap for a while and then finally finding a jewel, stick with that jewel instead of chasing after the next shiny thing to catch your eye. Eventually these foolish girls stop being so foolish and figure out that men's promises are worthless and the repeat customer is the one that matters, especially if he's a pleasant customer, and therefore best service goes to the repeat customer. Also, in many cases, best service is not something the girl can conscious produce on demand. That is, many girls cannot fully relax sexually until they get to know a man well. One or a small number of high quality girls versus a parade of average and even low quality girls parading through your bed. Quality versus quantity.
While discussing that Gia agency bust that occurred in May, just before I arrived in Kiev, my jewel mentioned that, as of several years ago, police were charging independents $1000/ month and agencies $1500/ month per phone number they used, in order to be allowed to operate. Cost was per phone number, regardless of number of girls behind phone number in case of agencies. I'm not sure how police distinguish true independents from agencies. Those prices might have changed since then (or maybe they were never accurate but rather just rumors shared by sex work girls) or police may no longer tolerate prostitution in exchange for bribes. Several times local police have tried to entrap my jewel, but she always recognized they were police before doing anything illegal and so has never been arrested or forced to pay bribes herself.
Various experiences this summer, which I won't bore you with, have caused me to realize that I am no longer capable of normal relationships with women. "Once a monger, always a monger" definitely true with me. Paying for sex puts power in the man's hands. My desire for sex may be weak, but my lust for power is as strong as ever. No chance I will ever relinquish that power if I don't have to.
GIA has a new girl named Dasha as of today. Somehow I do not think this is a pure coincidence. GIA management monitoring Kiev Forum is not certain, but might have happened.If http://kievescort.club/girl/dasha9 indeed same girl as http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-dasha-30737, note age jump from 19 in United States to 27 at Gia aka Kiev Escort Club. Lying in the United States, truth in Ukraine?
If http://kievescort.club/girl/dasha9 indeed same girl as http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-dasha-30737, note age jump from 19 in United States to 27 at Gia aka Kiev Escort Club. Lying in the United States, truth in Ukraine?Dasha in Chicago is Russian. Not the same girl. She is six foot and skinny with great natural boobs. She's a student. Difficult to find a girl like her in Russia or Ukraine. Some members think this information doesn't belong here, but I know for fact pilots have come looking for Ukrainians in Chicago off this thread. Also, post Fosta / Sesta has killed internet marketing for Euros in the states. Many are descending on Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers. I suspect some of the girls have indirectly come to know about her from this forum.
Kozerog, thanks for the earlier post. I read it carefully. Always some good thought on Ukrainians and mongering from your reports.
PhotoSlider
08-13-18, 16:11
If http://kievescort.club/girl/dasha9 indeed same girl as http://classyladiesofchicago.escortbook.com/model-dasha-30737, note age jump from 19 in United States to 27 at Gia aka Kiev Escort Club. Lying in the United States, truth in Ukraine?Two completely different girls. GIA Dasha of August 2018 is even different from a third Dasha that Jymondor reported on in April. As you can see 27 years old gave birth and her images are heavily edited.
Call it a mild case of conspiracy theory but first Riina posted his report, and soon after new GIA girl has been given stage alias "Dasha".
Dasha in Chicago is Russian. Not the same girl. She is six foot and skinny with great natural boobs. She's a student. Difficult to find a girl like her in Russia or Ukraine. Some members think this information doesn't belong here, but I know for fact pilots have come looking for Ukrainians in Chicago off this thread. Also, post Fosta / Sesta has killed internet marketing for Euros in the states. Many are descending on Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers. I suspect some of the girls have indirectly come to know about her from this forum.Riina, I am certainly biased, and think your comparing girls in Kiev and Chicago is fine. Still for my entertainment purposes these Ukrainian J-1 students differ considerably from rare jewels one could find around Shevchenko Boulevard and Khmelnitskogo Street.
This is not to criticize your choice, but to me this is reminiscent to what Rog123 wrote about Tijuana. It is a short term escape from US society deprived of adult pleasures into the world reminding us the true freedom and democracy in Ukraine.
I agree, Dasha is beautiful in more than one way, and for airplane pilots and such she is more than amazing. I hope there's many more like her coming (tongue in cheek). Maybe I'll even donate hard earned cash to her tuition trust fund.
DramaFree11
08-13-18, 16:20
Dasha in Chicago is Russian. Not the same girl. She is six foot and skinny with great natural boobs. She's a student. Difficult to find a girl like her in Russia or Ukraine. Some members think this information doesn't belong here, but I know for fact pilots have come looking for Ukrainians in Chicago off this thread. Also, post FOSTA / Sesta has killed internet marketing for Euros in the states. Many are descending on Chicago because of our Ukrainian pimp and her customers. I suspect some of the girls have indirectly come to know about her from this forum.
Kozerog, thanks for the earlier post. I read it carefully. Always some good thought on Ukrainians and mongering from your reports.
You want to find hot Ukraine girls, go to New York, (LA or Chicago), Dubai, Moscow, Germany, or Paris. We use to joke about this when I was living there.
Womaniszer
08-13-18, 22:22
This is my first day in Kiev and first time in this country. Got hold of contact number of a person. Who took me to some apartment girls. I saw atleast 15 girls from 4 Apartments.
No girl matched my taste. The price range 1500 UAH to 3000 UAH per hour.
Bored of seeing girls. I decided to give a try for a 1500 UAH girl.
Paid 100 Taxi fare to the lady. Gave them the address after 30 minutes the girl was at my Apt near Maidan Sqaure.
After having some beer. Went for wash together.
In Bed scene started foreplay with 30 minutes of Kissing.
She was a good kisser. Than she gave me a CBJ which was so good that I dint feel like having Sex.
So I made up mind not to have sex with her and let her finish in BJ.
Finally the game ended as decided.
Gave her 200 Tip.
Tomorrow waiting for new encounters.
DramaFree11
08-13-18, 23:11
]This is my first day in Kiev and first time in this country. Got hold of contact number of a person. Who took me to some apartment girls. I saw atleast 15 girls from 4 Apartments.
No girl matched my taste. The price range 1500 UAH to 3000 UAH per hour.
Bored of seeing girls. I decided to give a try for a 1500 UAH girl.
Paid 100 Taxi fare to the lady. Gave them the address after 30 minutes the girl was at my Apt near Maidan Sqaure.
After having some beer. Went for wash together.
In Bed scene started foreplay with 30 minutes of Kissing.
She was a good kisser. Than she gave me a CBJ which was so good that I dint feel like having Sex.
So I made up mind not to have sex with her and let her finish in BJ.
Finally the game ended as decided.
Gave her 200 Tip.
Tomorrow waiting for new encounters.
Thank you for sharing and your honest report. I had the same experience on my last 2 trips. On 2 separate occasions I visited between 3-5 Apartments, there was between 10-15 girls there was not even one half way attractive girl, not even a 6. It was bad, at the time a had hot regular girl I was seeing so it was not a big deal, but never again.
PhotoSlider
08-14-18, 01:15
Just finishing 90 day visit to Kiev. Met 25 times this summer with girl I met last year. 4 hour meets twice weekly at 4000 uah each meet, plus I gave her 27000 bonus at end...I am guilty myself of giving the same $1 K bonus to ex-GIA beauty after 10 days of free non-stop. Of course significant associated expenses have been incurred, and I didn't meet her empty handed, there were gifts.
Then I noticed on Instagram that she started loosing her youthful energy, felt entitled, and I decided to avoid her during subsequent visit. It is a tough occupation indeed. Being a creative person, she seems to have overcame that jaded phase now, and I am torn between memories of having her in my arms and desire to try new ones.
I may be an extreme case but I think other men, especially older men, can learn from my example.I certainly learn from you, and despite boasting about seemingly endless escapades, I do value LTR big time.
Last November after favorite GF allowed me to diversify and successfully hunt for others in her presence, I felt exhilarated, and she wasn't jealous even a single bit. Except upon departure from KBP I felt like an idiot. Should have stayed with one, as she is much more rich emotionally and intellectually.
...in many cases, best service is not something the girl can conscious produce on demand. That is, many girls cannot fully relax sexually until they get to know a man well. One or a small number of high quality girls versus a parade of average and even low quality girls parading through your bed. Quality versus quantity.That depends. Some of the girls establish contact and perform great on first encounter, and then get subsequently lazy.
Parade of amazing, good, average and even low quality girls allows me "to separate the wheat from the chaff", as small number of high quality girls is a dynamic pool requiring maintenance. They graduate, get a job, get married, get local BF. Few continue with me after 4-5 years, some I forgo on my own accord.
It is good to juggle 7-12 candidates. Some are always ready to go, but are expensive. Some are rather affordable and versatile, but are not as much fun. Life goes on.
While discussing that Gia agency bust that occurred in May, just before I arrived in Kiev, my jewel mentioned that, as of several years ago, police were charging independents $1000/ month and agencies $1500/ month per phone number they used, in order to be allowed to operate. Cost was per phone number, regardless of number of girls behind phone number in case of agencies. I'm not sure how police distinguish true independents from agencies. Those prices might have changed since then (or maybe they were never accurate but rather just rumors shared by sex work girls) or police may no longer tolerate prostitution in exchange for bribes.I have yet to imagine Ukrainian police and their partners to stop making money off of girls.
Great honest report, Kozerog. Thank you much for sharing in such a detail.
Respect!
100% true! I could not say it any better myself. Kiev use to be my favorite city in the world, now you could not pay me go back.
After my girlfriend and myself broke up, I told my friends I would never go back. I have stuck to my promise. Kiev is a total scam now. I can have better looking women in the States and that is pretty bad.Did you go back to Kiev after what you told your Friends? Just curious as to what made you change your mind.
Cheers.
]This is my first day in Kiev and first time in this country. Got hold of contact number of a person. Who took me to some apartment girls. I saw atleast 15 girls from 4 Apartments.
No girl matched my taste. The price range 1500 UAH to 3000 UAH per hour.
Bored of seeing girls. I decided to give a try for a 1500 UAH girl.
Paid 100 Taxi fare to the lady. Gave them the address after 30 minutes the girl was at my Apt near Maidan Sqaure.
After having some beer. Went for wash together.
In Bed scene started foreplay with 30 minutes of Kissing.
She was a good kisser. Than she gave me a CBJ which was so good that I dint feel like having Sex..I'm confused, he said none of the girls were his taste. That's different than saying they were all ugly.
I don't get the impression that he is having a horrible time. Only that it was barely his first night excursion with more to come.
You're basically assuming he has come to the same conclusion as you, that Kiev sucks for mongering, which, I don't think is the case.
Riina, I am certainly biased, and think your comparing girls in Kiev and Chicago is fine. Still for my entertainment purposes these Ukrainian J-1 students differ considerably from rare jewels one could find around Shevchenko Boulevard and Khmelnitskogo Street.
This is not to criticize your choice, but to me this is reminiscent to what Rog123 wrote about Tijuana. It is a short term escape from US society deprived of adult pleasures into the world reminding us the true freedom and democracy in Ukraine.
I agree, Dasha is beautiful in more than one way, and for airplane pilots and such she is more than amazing. I hope there's many more like her coming (tongue in cheek). Maybe I'll even donate hard earned cash to her tuition trust fund.Ukraine is a far more satisfying experience if you are open to the culture. I'm mentioning the girls in case someone is just looking for pay for play back home. Plus, the intel could lead to a pussy finding my local pimp.
DramaFree11
08-14-18, 17:35
Great questions, no way! Had many good times Kiev and learned a lot, but time to move on.
DramaFree11
08-14-18, 17:46
I actually respect Dramafree as he seems well travelled. However, he and I seem to travel in similar circles and he hypes up Tijuana as one of the cities he thinks is way better for mongering than Kiev and as a Tijuana and Kiev vet I would say they are not even close. Everyone has different opinions and I live close to Tijuana so maybe I am spoiled but the quality in Kiev is on a whole other level than what you can get in Mexico and it's not even close. Of course your mileage may vary and everything is dependent on age / looks / game but I go to Mexico twice a month and these activities are just holding me over until my next trip to Kyi.
Your correct. Tijuana. Is good for a 2-4 days. Kiev is better for long stays. I love Mexico especially MTY. Mexico Ciy, and the GDL, for longer stays and more GFE. You can find some real amazing Top End Girls, but it is either one extreme either very beautiful or not so great. In Kiev the is a lot of 6's running around and they are young.
Womaniszer
08-14-18, 22:20
I was busy whole day, as I was shopping. Ukraine is very cheap.
Reached apartment at 8. 000 pm.
Called the same guy for arranging Apartment girls. But he said he is busy & can only meet after 10.30.
So I was just relaxing with my booze & fags, and started finding girls on Mamba.
Here I go Bingo the very first girl I messaged, replied me yes we can meet for 1500 UAH plus Taxi.
She had around 15 Pics on Mamba.
I asked her that are you the same in Pics, if not I will not allow you in Apartment.
She replied yes same in pics and can meet in 30 minutes.
So the deal was On. She exactly arrived in 30 minutes, she was very good at English as she was a medical student.
I told her before hand that I like kissing. So there was a kissing for about 20 minutes.
She said that she is good at Blow Job.
So I replied ok go on with it.
OMG she was too good at CBJ. It lasted 25 minutes until I told her to stop.
She is not a time watcher. The sex scene was also very good.
Had a very nice and realxed completely.
After wash she did'nt wait for the tip and started moving.
I stopped her offered her drinks but she denied. She only smoked a Fag & I tipped her 300 UAH and have again arranged meeting for next day evening.
Womaniszer
08-15-18, 09:36
After my recent FR on that medical student. I am been getting hell lot of messages and all are asking for numbers.
I am in Kiev till 18th August.
After that I don't mind sharing numbers.
Sharing is Caring.
After my recent FR on that medical student. I am been getting hell lot of messages and all are asking for numbers.
I am in Kiev till 18th August.
After that I don't mind sharing numbers.
Sharing is Caring.Cheers mate. Tomorrow I'm flying to Odessa and then will move to Kiev.
Sharing her Mamba name would really be appreciated beyond imagination.
Mike Anderson
08-15-18, 22:53
Hi guys,
A newbie here. I'm looking for a good escort / escort service to satiate my desires. I want an English speaking girl that does good GFE and also gives a great blowjob.
Any recommendations?
Mike.
Womaniszer
08-16-18, 05:51
As I had an appointment already fixed with the Medical Student at 18.30, I was been lazy whole day at my Apt.
So at 12 noon I called Salon Dolly which is only 1 Km from me, fixed an appointment, for an Erotic Massage.
They send a lady, may be around 29 years old and look wise around 6.
She met be below my Apt, confirmed me no sex and I took her up.
She went for a wash. Her naked body was also not bad, as she was never pregnant. Good english. Was allowed to touch her body, except below, she also allowed few kisses on lips.
Well the massage was good, with her boobs and hands.
It ended with an HJ.
Over all I would say, nothing bad for the price of 1000 UAH, inclusive of 700 Massage 200 Outcall 100 Tip.
Then at 18.00 I got whatsapp from the student, that she is landing right time as decided 18.30.
So I went for a wash and got ready.
Same old story repeated, as per last FR.
I always play with abilities. She had a good abilities on BJ, we can say a never ending BJ.
She goes on and on. So I had already planned that today I would go for a 30 minutes BJ and same thing happened, she gave me a long BJ, never said I am tired.
Than what 10 minutes of sex was enough to explode.
Well face wise I would say a 7.
Figure I would say 6.
As she is 58 Kgs and I like below 52.
But she got nice pink Vagina.
3 things I would like to mention here about her dislikes.
1. She will not allow fingering.
2. She will not allow Deep Throath.
Kissing on lips is Ok for her.
3. She will not allow Boobs Sucking.
Licking is Ok for her.
After I finished my session. We sat for a booze & Fags but she doesn't drink.
I am travelling with my friend, who is a Doctor. So my friend, me and the student, were in the living area.
My friend was having a word with her about medical science. She told him she wants to settle in Canada after her studies.
My friend got influenced with her and requested her for a session and here she goes in the 2nd Bedroom with my friend for 1 hour.
I gave some tips about her to my friend which I am given you all.
Everything went same as me with my friend.
So today again she is arriving 18.30.
But Hell No, I had it enough. I am trying a new one from mamba.
Let my friend enjoy with her.
Damage: 1500 + 200 taxi + 300 tips.
2000 UAH.
Hope you Guyz would like my FR.
Hi,
I will fly to Kiev soon. Can you please send me the number. Really appreciate this.
As I had an appointment already fixed with the Medical Student at 18.30, I was been lazy whole day at my Apt.
So at 12 noon I called Salon Dolly which is only 1 Km from me, fixed an appointment, for an Erotic Massage.
They send a lady, may be around 29 years old and look wise around 6.
She met be below my Apt, confirmed me no sex and I took her up.
She went for a wash. Her naked body was also not bad, as she was never pregnant. Good english. Was allowed to touch her body, except below, she also allowed few kisses on lips..===============================================
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Here's a skinny tall Ukrainian legitimately 20 years old giving BBBJ's and DFK for $140 in Chicago. You won't find like her in Kiev.
DramaFree11
08-16-18, 13:36
Here's a skinny tall Ukrainian legitimately 20 years old giving BBBJ's and DFK for $140 in Chicago. You won't find like her in Kiev.
Correct, girls like this are no longer available in Kiev, not even close.
Member #4722
08-16-18, 21:12
Here's a skinny tall Ukrainian legitimately 20 years old giving BBBJ's and DFK for $140 in Chicago. You won't find like her in Kiev.
Correct, girls like this are no longer available in Kiev, not even close.First, you can't even see the pic since it's blurred out. Second, the $140 is for only 30 minutes not enough time for GFE. Third, I got a 6-Ft very hot girl off Mamba full GFE for less than that with no clock watching. So it is in fact possible.
First, you can't even see the pic since it's blurred out. Second, the $140 is for only 30 minutes not enough time for GFE. Third, I got a 6-Ft very hot girl off Mamba full GFE for less than that with no clock watching. So it is in fact possible.http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5225-Escort-Reports
Vlada will be very popular very fast Rog. I posted the link to USA where you'll see other mongers surly bring attention to her in the coming weeks. Just read a few of the new reports on Vlada. as a seasoned monger, you'll feel it.
With all due respect, I doubt your tall Mamba girl was twenty and gave you a BBBJ with kissing. You can do hour sessions with the agency for 200.
This particular agency uses only fake photos. It's run by a Ukrainian booker who is the only one capable of recruiting Ukrainian girls in my city. I've received many pm's from guys appreciating the unique experience Ukrainian girls have offered emotionally. Something very different from other Euro skanks. Without that special pimp in Kiev like I have in Chicago, it's going to be very difficult to find good pussy efficiently. You need someone to vet the girls. Gia is the closest thing, but that requires good timing. Girls can jade out very quickly.
First, you can't even see the pic since it's blurred out. Second, the $140 is for only 30 minutes not enough time for GFE. Third, I got a 6-Ft very hot girl off Mamba full GFE for less than that with no clock watching. So it is in fact possible.You're wasting your time, after having read through this forum it's pretty evident that the same two individuals spend the majority of their time spent on here bashing Ukraine and anyone who thinks otherwise, well it's guaranteee that they will confront in a less than diplomatic fashion.
But why even bother? Both you and I will get chastised shortly.
Actually, I welcome it as it will give me a chuckle to watch it unfold.
And notice I'm not attacking I'm only giving my observations after having gone through this forum.
Either way, I'll definitely be visiting Ukraine for its mongering scene as I don't follow negative advice that is aggressively presented constantly over and over cause that just sounds suspicious in general.
First, you can't even see the pic since it's blurred out. Second, the $140 is for only 30 minutes not enough time for GFE. Third, I got a 6-Ft very hot girl off Mamba full GFE for less than that with no clock watching. So it is in fact possible.Vlada does look very fit at 5'9 but according to one report by (Selforen11), FS Is not on the Menu. FS is not currently on Vlada's menu;.
Still very good find at that price.
Member #4722
08-16-18, 22:55
http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5225-Escort-Reports
Vlada will be very popular very fast Rog. I posted the link to USA where you'll see other mongers surly bring attention to her in the coming weeks. Just read a few of the new reports on Vlada. as a seasoned monger, you'll feel it.
With all due respect, I doubt your tall Mamba girl was twenty and gave you a BBBJ with kissing. You can do hour sessions with the agency for 200.
This particular agency uses only fake photos. It's run by a Ukrainian booker who is the only one capable of recruiting Ukrainian girls in my city. I've received many pm's from guys appreciating the unique experience Ukrainian girls have offered emotionally. Something very different from other Euro skanks. Without that special pimp in Kiev like I have in Chicago, it's going to be very difficult to find good pussy efficiently. You need someone to vet the girls. Gia is the closest thing, but that requires good timing. Girls can jade out very quickly.I am sure the girl is great but that wasn't my point. If I was in Chicago I would jump on that. The local scene is horrible here in southern California. But the mamba girl did everything I wanted including bbbbjnqns (and allowed filming for small extra donation), and you're right she wasn't 20 she was 21!
DramaFree11
08-16-18, 23:40
Vlada will be very popular very fast Rog. I posted the link to USA where you'll see other mongers surly bring attention to her in the coming weeks. Just read a few of the new reports on Vlada. As a seasoned monger, you'll feel it.
With all due respect, I doubt your tall Mamba girl was twenty and gave you a BBBJ with kissing. You can do hour sessions with the agency for 200.
This particular agency uses only fake photos. It's run by a Ukrainian booker who is the only one capable of recruiting Ukrainian girls in my city. I've received many pm's from guys appreciating the unique experience Ukrainian girls have offered emotionally. Something very different from other Euro skanks. Without that special pimp in Kiev like I have in Chicago, it's going to be very difficult to find good pussy efficiently. You need someone to vet the girls. Gia is the closest thing, but that requires good timing. Girls can jade out very quickly.
Correct again, you can get lucky once, but highly unlikely. GIA is way over rated and should only be used as a last resort.
Womaniszer
08-17-18, 06:07
It was nice that I decided a new girl from Mamba.
I hit the bulls eye. After a decade of sex tourism I would rank this girl in top 5, from more than 100 girls I had in my life.
In Afternoon got hold on her on Mamba. 2500 UAH was rate quoted to me. But I was 100% sure she was not the girl in profile. But I thought let me gamble. If she is not the same, I will send her back.
Decided meeting at 15.00. She messaged me when she arrived. I went down and was shocked to see a girl, really next to an Actress.
With a big smile I welcomed her home. Now I got a feeling that she might show attitudes while in bed. I don't like this and that sort of things, that we guyz normally face.
But when the act started she asked me what do you like. I said I like kissing a lot and rest is common, like BJ and sex.
So she said I am ok with all. So we stared kissing and it was very romantic like girl friend kiss and ended with a Deep Throat.
After 15 minutes she gave me a BBBJ which was a huge surprise for me, as I was thinking she might open a condom packet.
She was too good at BBBJ using her saliva in proper way, carried on till 20 minutes.
Than came woman on top position, with a condom offcourse.
My climax was in Doggy Style.
Overall I would say, I now have a good impression of Ukraine, as I felt I was so much taken cared off.
I would rank this girl a 9.
I am attaching a pic.
Hope you guyz enjoy.
DramaFree11
08-17-18, 06:31
It was nice that I decided a new girl from Mamba.
I hit the bulls eye. After a decade of sex tourism I would rank this girl in top 5, from more than 100 girls I had in my life.
In Afternoon got hold on her on Mamba. 2500 UAH was rates quoted to me. But I was 100% sure she was not the girl in profile. But I thought let me gamble. If she is not the same, I will send her back.
Decided meeting at 15.00. She messaged me when she arrived. I went down and was shocked to see a girl, really next to an Actress.
With big a smile I welcomed her home. Now I got a feeling that she might show attitudes while in bed. I don't like this and that sort of things, that we guys normally face.
But when the act started she asked me what do you like. I said I like kissing a lot and rest is common, like BJ and sex.
So she said I am OK with all. So we stared kissing and it was very romantic like girl friend kiss and ended with a Deep Throat.
After 15 minutes she gave me a BBBJ which was a huge surprise for me, as I was thinking she might open a condom packet.
She was too good at BBBJ using her saliva in proper way, carried on till 20 minutes.
Than came woman on top position, with a condom offcourse.
My climax was in Doggy Style.
Overall I would say, I now have a good impression of Ukraine, as I felt I was so much taken cared off.
I would rank this girl a 9.
I am attaching a pic.
Hope you guys enjoy.
Good job!
It was nice that I decided a new girl from Mamba.
I hit the bulls eye. After a decade of sex tourism I would rank this girl in top 5, from more than 100 girls I had in my life.
In Afternoon got hold on her on Mamba. 2500 UAH was rate quoted to me. But I was 100% sure she was not the girl in profile. But I thought let me gamble. If she is not the same, I will send her back.
Decided meeting at 15.00. She messaged me when she arrived. I went down and was shocked to see a girl, really next to an Actress.
With a big smile I welcomed her home. Now I got a feeling that she might show attitudes while in bed. I don't like this and that sort of things, that we guyz normally face.
But when the act started she asked me what do you like. I said I like kissing a lot and rest is common, like BJ and sex.
So she said I am ok with all. So we stared kissing and it was very romantic like girl friend kiss and ended with a Deep Throat.
After 15 minutes she gave me a BBBJ which was a huge surprise for me, as I was thinking she might open a condom packet.
She was too good at BBBJ using her saliva in proper way, carried on till 20 minutes.
Than came woman on top position, with a condom offcourse.
My climax was in Doggy Style.
Overall I would say, I now have a good impression of Ukraine, as I felt I was so much taken cared off.
I would rank this girl a 9.
I am attaching a pic.
Hope you guyz enjoy.Always go for BBBJ here in Ukraine, that's a kind of speciality here, long time BBBJ)))). Unfortunately most of the pros don't do it or ask for extra money(((.
You're wasting your time, after having read through this forum it's pretty evident that the same two individuals spend the majority of their time spent on here bashing Ukraine and anyone who thinks otherwise, well it's guaranteee that they will confront in a less than diplomatic fashion.
But why even bother? Both you and I will get chastised shortly.
Actually, I welcome it as it will give me a chuckle to watch it unfold.
And notice I'm not attacking I'm only giving my observations after having gone through this forum.
Either way, I'll definitely be visiting Ukraine for its mongering scene as I don't follow negative advice that is aggressively presented constantly over and over cause that just sounds suspicious in general.I love Ukraine and like very much to share the reality of the mongering scene. My thoughts are constantly evolving about the girls.
When I first started relationships with Ukrainians almost four years ago(father figure stuff), it never lasted more then three or four dates. Now I know how to talk, give, and behave around them. My friendships don't come to an end anymore.
How about you Alekazam? Any insight you can share about Ukrainian girls or how to find a hooker in Kiev? Far more appreciated by the members here then your piggybacking delusional mongers.
PhotoSlider
08-18-18, 03:16
It was nice that I decided a new girl from Mamba.
I hit the bulls eye. After a decade of sex tourism I would rank this girl in top 5, from more than 100 girls I had in my life.
...snip...
I would rank this girl a 9.
I am attaching a pic.
Hope you guyz enjoy.Sincerely happy to hear yet another well seasoned traveler found happiness and joy despite the challenges and obstacles.
Hope you have many more returns!
Thank you for great detailed reports, you inhaled life into the Forum.
PhotoSlider
08-18-18, 03:51
If you have reservations / prejudice against GIA, please do not read any further.
Information for oil magnates and Saudi sheikhs, who prefer to spend their excessive wealth with meticulously vetted and immaculately groomed ladies:
1. Russian news section on GIA had a recent complaint about substitute male dispatcher not understanding the concept of customer service. To be fair, female dispatchers prior to the bust made occasional mistakes and cover-ups as well.
This particular complaint is related more to local customer residing in Kiev, who wanted to use an apartment provided by GIA, just like in the past, and that apartment doesn't seem to be available anymore. I am not 100% sure, but it appears that male dispatcher tried to give a few phone numbers to the customer over the phone, asking him to search for a room. I suppose the target audience is not local. Perhaps for newly reincarnated GIA it is easier to deal with visitors with their own landing pads.
If the tour has been booked, then there is an option to book a hotel, so that upon landing at KBP, you are greeted by the driver with or without the girl. She may wait for you in the hotel room, or meet at the curbside when you exit the Terminal building. There are some discrepancies in explanation on web-site.
2. As far as news in general, there is minor creative editing and adjusting the reports, as well as management posting their own, pretending it is from customers. Cash flow has not been fully reestablished yet.
3. There is new web-site feature: "Girls for Today". Supposedly should make it easier "to find a woman that will arouse your intellect as well as your loins".
I am tempted, and March-April GIA reports by Jymondor have been most helpful.
Womaniszer
08-18-18, 06:17
Was very happy from my experiance in Kiev. As it was my last day, I wanted to make it wonderable. Messaged the same girl from Day 4. She works in a travel agency, so she answered me early at 10.00. Fixed a meeting at 21.30.
Than in afternoon, after trying 1 hour on Mamba got hold of a girl, 2000 UAH fixed for a meeting at 15.00.
She was the same girl in profile.
Deep Throat Kissing.
BBBJ.
Classic Sex.
Thanks to Senior Member Volpone who gave us tips that always go for long BBBJ.
As she was trying for CBJ as requested her for BBBJ and she went on.
I do accept after around 12 encounters in Ukraine. Volpone is right, this country has a specialty in BJ.
So the sex scene ended as usual nothing new, so I thought lets cut the story.
She was 28 Years old, had a child, but she was a good girl with no attitude at all. Paid her 2200 UAH.
I would Rank her a 7.
At night as decided, the girl from day 4 arrived at 22.00.
The experiance was same as day 4.
After the session, she stayed still more 30 minutes for chat. We were talking normal things while having drinks and Fags.
Paid her 3000 UAH.
So I am signing off for now. My holidays were so good, that I have decided to come back soon to Kiev.
See Yaa Guyz.
Work Hard.
God Bless.
Was very happy from my experiance in Kiev. As it was my last day, I wanted to make it wonderable. Messaged the same girl from Day 4. She works in a travel agency, so she answered me early at 10.00. Fixed a meeting at 21.30.
Than in afternoon, after trying 1 hour on Mamba got hold of a girl, 2000 UAH fixed for a meeting at 15.00.
She was the same girl in profile.
Deep Throat Kissing.
BBBJ.
Classic Sex.
Thanks to Senior Member Volpone who gave us tips that always go for long BBBJ.
As she was trying for CBJ as requested her for BBBJ and she went on.Well done mate! Hopefully we will be equally lucky as you.
Care to share your girls mamba profile considering you are no longer in Kiev? Help some novice monger.
Member #4722
08-19-18, 00:55
Thanks for the report womaniszer.
Womaniszer
08-19-18, 04:19
Thanks for the report womaniszer.Thanks 4 Appreciation.
Good Luck.
Work Hard.
Well done mate! Hopefully we will be equally lucky as you.
Care to share your girls mamba profile considering you are no longer in Kiev? Help some novice monger.The logic here is not to share contacts as it might ruin the girl. Complete BS to hide the fact how poor the escort scene is in Kiev.
I have been reading on many sites how expensive the women are in the Ukraine. Why are men mongering these fields.
The logic here is not to share contacts as it might ruin the girl. Complete BS to hide the fact how poor the escort scene is in Kiev.
Womaniszer
08-21-18, 18:30
I have been reading on many sites how expensive the women are in the Ukraine. Why are men mongering these fields.I just came back from Ukraine 3 days before.
I paid from USD 50 to USD 100, depending on girls.
Is this price expensive, for a beautiful girl?
I have been reading on many sites how expensive the women are in the Ukraine. Why are men mongering these fields.1. Ukrainian women were cheap. In the 1990's. And until the mid-2000's. In the financial crisis of 2009 and 2014, prices have gone down. This effect has disappeared in the meantime. Many sex tourists still think it would be like before. The flights are cheaper now. But the women are significantly more expensive (and / or of lesser quality).
2. For Arabs and Turks, in general for the strict, Muslim countries, Ukraine is a paradise. The journey is not far. For entry you do not need a visa. Turks do not even need an international passport. Most Arabs and Turks are happy to have sex. The quality of women does not matter.
I just came back from Ukraine 3 days before.
I paid from USD 50 to USD 100, depending on girls.
Is this price expensive, for a beautiful girl?
I do not think your 50/100 dollars women were of exceptional quality. 10-25 years ago, but also in the crisis of 2014, you would have got top models for this money. That is the difference. Cheap sex you can get anywhere in the world. But the quality of "women for money" goes down significantly in Ukraine.
I have been here for 2 weeks now and I get prices two times more expensive than last year in Autumn 2017. Just a few exceptions agree to come for 1500 UAH for 1 hour. Then there are about 25-30 % of mafia profiles (the pros send by an operator), these profiles are from 1300 uah + 500 for BBBJ + 200 for taxi = 2000 Uah, that's the cheapest pro profiles.
Many non-pros girls now ask 3000 UAH for 1 hour. One of my old contact doubled the price. Of course you can read more and more often girls that want 4000-5000 UAH for 1 or 2 hours.
Enjoy the new prices in Kiev)).
Womaniszer
08-22-18, 08:59
I have been here for 2 weeks now and I get prices two times more expensive than last year in Autumn 2017. Just a few exceptions agree to come for 1500 UAH for 1 hour. Then there are about 25-30 % of mafia profiles (the pros send by an operator), these profiles are from 1300 uah + 500 for BBBJ + 200 for taxi = 2000 Uah, that's the cheapest pro profiles.
Many non-pros girls now ask 3000 UAH for 1 hour. One of my old contact doubled the price. Of course you can read more and more often girls that want 4000-5000 UAH for 1 or 2 hours.
Enjoy the new prices in Kiev)).Well I was in this country for the first time for 9 days. Went to Odessa and Kiev.
According to information what I gathered was 90% of Sex Tourist who visit Ukraine are from Turkey.
As a Business Man and an economist, I would say next summer of 2019 the prices will go down again in Ukraine.
Where ever I have seen a Currency Crisis in a country. Interest rates of Bank have been boosted up. But the impact of that is followed after 9 to 12 months.
Turkish Lira has been depreciated 50%.
So I predict there will be sharp fall in Sex Tourist coming from Turkey next summer.
Which will drag the prices of Pro's down.
Well I was in this country for the first time for 9 days. Went to Odessa and Kiev.
According to information what I gathered was 90% of Sex Tourist who visit Ukraine are from Turkey.
As a Business Man and an economist, I would say next summer of 2019 the prices will go down again in Ukraine.
Where ever I have seen a Currency Crisis in a country. Interest rates of Bank have been boosted up. But the impact of that is followed after 9 to 12 months.
Turkish Lira has been depreciated 50%.
So I predict there will be sharp fall in Sex Tourist coming from Turkey next summer.
Which will drag the prices of Pro's down.You did very well with mamba for your first time in Kiev Womaniszer. I hope you are right about less Turkish guys, but I don't think the prices for non-pros will get down in Kiev. They might even be more expensive next year. Contrary to the escort girls or the pros, the non-pros get the full amount of what we paid. So if we hire a pro for 2500 pocket, she will get only around the half. If we hire a non pro, she will have 2500 Uah in the pocket.
Here you can read what a girl told me on viber:
"I bought new car for 5 month and I am going to buy a new apartment in 1 year, so yes, I find lots of men who are happy to pay high price for high quality". 80% of girls work for agencies. I don't. So I can take 1000 Euro if I want". She wants 150 euro for 1 hour = 4500-4600 UAH.
Here you can read what a girl told me on viber:
"I bought new car for 5 month and I am going to buy a new apartment in 1 year, so yes, I find lots of men who are happy to pay high price for high quality". 80% of girls work for agencies. I don't. So I can take 1000 Euro if I want". She wants 150 euro for 1 hour = 4500-4600 UAH.This is an example of the cocky ego of Ukrainians. Just begged for a few hundred hryvnia. And now in the belief that they can ask 1000 Euro for a meeting without any problem.
The women always tell me that there are enough clients. But many clients just want to pay very little money. And even more clients do not have a decent appearance. Ugly, fat, drunk, stingy.
Not all clients pay 150 euros for a meeting. And 1000 euros is more of a stroke of luck. If it were that easy, there would be no more agency-women for 1500 or 2000 uah per hour.
A woman who wants 150 euros per hour and only wants customers with a decent look can do 2-3 meetings a week. Not more. Rather less. And only short time.
It doesn't match the cost of living, in western European countries you can buy far more pussy for your money, some Slavic women tend to be greedy.
This is an example of the cocky ego of Ukrainians. Just begged for a few hundred hryvnia. And now in the belief that they can ask 1000 Euro for a meeting without any problem.
The women always tell me that there are enough clients. But many clients just want to pay very little money. And even more clients do not have a decent appearance. Ugly, fat, drunk, stingy.
Not all clients pay 150 euros for a meeting. And 1000 euros is more of a stroke of luck. If it were that easy, there would be no more agency-women for 1500 or 2000 uah per hour.
A woman who wants 150 euros per hour and only wants customers with a decent look can do 2-3 meetings a week. Not more. Rather less. And only short time.
I have been reading a lot of post lately about Kiev being not as good place as it was few years ago for mongering.
Many of you have discussed this very much (and thank you for your contribution and openness) and many have given reports that Kiev is not as cheap as before. Let us all consume the fact that it is in fact not as cheap as it was few years ago. Let us not discuss this anymore and take it as an obvious fact from now on.
But I think Kiev (I don't know other parts of Ukraine) is still comparable cheaper than any other country in Europe for many things (lets not talk about Maldova).
1) Erotic massages are still cheap (IMHO), they are everywhere in Kiev and the service is good. You can even get classic thai massage so cheap, get that stiffness out of your system for as low as 15 $ in some places.
2) oh my gosh booze is cheap, just don't drink them at super touristy clubs. I drank three bottles of Champagne in my apartment just because they were super cheap to buy in stores.
3) Hiring a female tour guides is still cheap, if you are travelling alone, spice up your getting to know Kiev (worst cast nothing will happen, you will still have good company.
I am not talking about escorts here, since this is now discussed enough, some ask way too high, some ask reasonably, some are ugly, some are OK, some scam you, some don't. All depends on how horny you go there and if you are thinking with your dick instead of your head. I do agree that the escort scene (pro, semi-pro, mamba) is little pampered and girls are now trying something that guys thinking with dicks are entertaining. But do not decide to come there just for the escort scene.
One last thing, If you are coming to Kiev, hoping that the escort scene is cheap, then you will be disappointed. There are so many other things to do. Why do you want to miss out on all that fun.
DramaFree11
08-24-18, 01:33
I have been reading a lot of post lately about Kiev being not as good place as it was few years ago for mongering.
Many of you have discussed this very much (and thank you for your contribution and openness) and many have given reports that Kiev is not as cheap as before. Let us all consume the fact that it is in fact not as cheap as it was few years ago. Let us not discuss this anymore and take it as an obvious fact from now on.
But I think Kiev (I don't know other parts of Ukraine) is still comparable cheaper than any other country in Europe for many things (lets not talk about Maldova).
1) Erotic massages are still cheap (IMHO), they are everywhere in Kiev and the service is good. You can even get classic thai massage so cheap, get that stiffness out of your system for as low as 15 $ in some places.
Well said, there are many things to do in Kiev and agree very cheap.
...I don't think the prices for non-pros will get down in Kiev. They might even be more expensive next year. Contrary to the escort girls or the pros, the non-pros get the full amount of what we paid. So if we hire a pro for 2500 pocket, she will get only around the half. If we hire a non pro, she will have 2500 Uah in the pocket.
Here you can read what a girl told me on viber:
"I bought new car for 5 month and I am going to buy a new apartment in 1 year, so yes, I find lots of men who are happy to pay high price for high quality". 80% of girls work for agencies. I don't. So I can take 1000 Euro if I want". She wants 150 euro for 1 hour = 4500-4600 UAH.The consensus in this forum is that the kievescort. Club (formerly Gia Agency) girls get 40% of the gross price and see at most one client per day. If we assume each meeting averages 4 hours, with gross price of $550 (price of Ada, first girl in English lineup), then girl gets $220. We can further assume girls only get work orders for 3 days per week on average, if on call 6 days (some weeks they will work every day, such as during the football championship, other weeks will be very slow). It is also the consensus on this forum that girls are anxious to work for this agency, so that they usually have a backlog of applicants, and the girls there are high quality. This puts an upper limit on what TYPICAL high quality escorts in Kiev can earn of about $660 per week, or about $30000 per year, assuming 45 working weeks and 7 weeks down time due to illness, vacation, etc.
ATYPICAL escorts, with an especially photogenic face or otherwise appealing profile that men go wild for, might earn considerably more. And sky is the limit if a girl catches the fancy of one of the local oligarchs or some oil sheik.
As I noted previously, I paid my jewel 4000 uah per 4 hour meeting, or about $150 (exchange rate was slightly different then), plus I gave her a bonus at the final meeting which brought average price per meeting to about $190. So that's close to $220 per meeting I'm assuming Kiev escort club girls make on average. I consider my jewel equal in looks to a typical Kiev escort club girl, though it's her personality that primarily attracts me at this point.
In other words, if you can offer somewhere upwards of $150 (4200 uah) per meeting of several hours, you should have no difficulty attracting high quality independents, assuming you are not an unpleasant customer for some reason (bad hygiene, rude, rough in bed, demand services the girl does not offer, etc).
Meeting length is something high quality independents should be flexible with, since acquiring and traveling to clients is very time consuming. That is, $150 for 4 hours is normally better for an independent than $100 for one hour, assuming most of the 4 hours is talking. Low end agency girls are another story, since they see multiple clients per day and agency takes care of acquiring clients and arranging transportation.
My experiences negotiating with mamba girls this past summer, even though those experiences never went anywhere, suggests $100 (2800 uah currently) per meeting should be sufficient to attract high quality semi-pros, and possibly $50 if you are a more attractive client (age closer to 40 than 60, better looking, repeat customer). This is in line with prices in Womaniszer's reports.
Bottom line, I don't think the girl asking 150 euro for one hour is unrealistic, but you certainly don't have to pay that price if you don't want, since other girls are definitely available for less: either lower price per meeting or more hours per meeting.
Also, as NorskKing pointed out, Kiev is very cheap for things other than escorts. My living costs were about $40 per day this past summer: $25 apartment, $7 food, $8 social activities, medical tests, dental cleaning, phone service, etc. Nothing for transportation since I walked everywhere, other than final day taxi to airport.
DramaFree11
08-25-18, 21:59
The consensus in this forum is that the kievescort. Club (formerly Gia Agency) girls get 40% of the gross price and see at most one client per day. If we assume each meeting averages 4 hours, with gross price of $550 (price of Ada, first girl in English lineup), then girl gets $220. We can further assume girls only get work orders for 3 days per week on average, if on call 6 days (some weeks they will work every day, such as during the football championship, other weeks will be very slow). It is also the consensus on this forum that girls are anxious to work for this agency, so that they usually have a backlog of applicants, and the girls there are high quality. This puts an upper limit on what TYPICAL high quality escorts in Kiev can earn of about $660 per week, or about $30000 per year, assuming 45 working weeks and 7 weeks down time due to illness, vacation, etc.
ATYPICAL escorts, with an especially photogenic face or otherwise appealing profile that men go wild for, might earn considerably more. And sky is the limit if a girl catches the fancy of one of the local oligarchs or some oil sheik.
As I noted previously, I paid my jewel 4000 uah per 4 hour meeting, or about $150 (exchange rate was slightly different then), plus I gave her a bonus at the final meeting which brought average price per meeting to about $190. So that's close to $220 per meeting I'm assuming Kiev escort club girls make on average. I consider my jewel equal in looks to a typical Kiev escort club girl, though it's her personality that primarily attracts me at this point..Agree prices are not going down and I think $150 is a good price for multiple hours in Kiev. I think process will continue to rise for girls.
I do not think there is back log of hot girls lining up to work for GIA or other agencies, I would say there is not enough girls to fill there needs. There is just not a lot of hot girls running around Kiev. Look at the girls at Rio very average.
Also, I think most guys are in Kiev because it is cheap and they do not have a lot of money, I real doubt many guys are doing more then 1-2 hours with the GIA girls, they simply can not afford those rates. Agree multiple hours is the best deal, but way too much for Kiev.
I do not think there is back log of hot girls lining up to work for GIA or other agencies,What I meant was that the girls at the other agencies would mostly prefer to work for Kiev escort club aka Gia, but not all girls are accepted, thus girls at Kiev escort club do represent the elite among agency escort girls in Kyiv, and therefore their net earnings should give some idea of what it takes to attract elite independent escorts. Whether any escorts in Kyiv are "hot" or not is another story.
As an aside, I don't really want a "hot" escort. Rather, I want to feel like I am consorting with "quality" versus "trash". My criterion for "quality" is how would I feel if a girl were my wife back when I was 35 years old. Would I be proud to be seen in public with her? It's not just looks, it's also native intelligence, education, manners, and in general how the woman reflects on my judgement. By these criteria, my jewel rates as a 10. To put this in perspective, Laura Bush, wife of former USA president George Bush would also be a 10. Whatever Bush's failures of judgment elsewhere in life, no failure with respect to choosing a wife. By contrast, Melania Trump, wife of our current president is below a 10 by these criteria. That is, I would be somewhat embarrassed to have a wife like Melania, though the demonic part of me might get a thrill from "trampling on the bourgeoisie" (website doesn't accept the usual French version of this expression) by walking around with an obvious wh0 re on my arm. Obviously, my jewel is a wh0 re in fact, but then in my opinion all good women are wh0 res in the sense of wanting to use their sexuality to improve their position in life, so a non-issue. (Women who aren't wh0 res are fools, which is worse, because it means lack the sense to make use of their natural assets.) Indeed, if I were now 35 years old and wanted a family and was in a position to move to Ukraine at that age, I wouldn't hesitate to propose marriage to my jewel. (I'm not now and never was stupid enough to consider bringing a foreign wife back to the USA and face possible divorce r@pe.)
I real doubt many guys are doing more then 1-2 hours with the GIA girls, they simply can not afford those rates. Agree multiple hours is the best deal, but way too much for Kiev.When I wrote 4 hour average, I was thinking most clients go 1-2 hours but then occasional clients go overnight or even several days in the case of a girl traveling with the client, which brings the average up.
First time I landed in Kiev in 2009 I had a walk along Kreschatick the main st there, bought a copy of the english newspaper there (Kiev Post) just to get a feel for the city and catch up with news and when I got to the last pages there was the Personal section full of ads for individual girls. At random I picked one girl called (Marina) and when she turned up at my hotel she was a solid 9 ,hot smoking girl. Speaking with her, it turned out that Marina advertised is the name of the agency she worked for and not her as she was a part time escort. When I returned to Kiev 2 months later I found out that a Pakistani businessman had bought Kiev Post and the first thing he did was to close Personals ads in there.
Then I got on Mamba and after a lot of prior research before I landed in Kiev (Operative word on Mamba, Prior research) and contact I met my present wingwoman, guide, scout, there when she was 22 years old looking for a sponsor and the rest is now history as I got my own circle of contacts (not for sharing).
As for Agencies, I wouldn't know what's the most reliable there at present But from feedback on here it seems the most reliable, albeit expensive is http://gia-escort.com/..Top prices at the time were the same as now, $300 at Rio and around $200/250 at GIA. River Palace girls were around $,200.
The type of girls that appealed to me at the time were closer to UAH 800 an hour or $ 100 as the rate at the time was around 1 $=8 UAH.
I don't bargain or haggle with girls as my benchmark is $ 100 an hour in.
Kiev and I don't usually go for longer the first time. Still almost half the price of London &Houston for girls that take my fancy, usually Young Hot tanned Blondes similar to the ones below of Previous years that I had the pleasure with. https://web.archive.org/web/20130321001816/http://houseofdivine.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=479and.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120618114803/http://houseofdivine.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=362
https://web.archive.org/web/20130213081754/http://houseofdivine.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=473
https://web.archive.org/web/20130116153711/http://houseofdivine.com/escort-girl.php?girlid=450
Any hot Kiev girl who are in looks similar and love a Binjamin for an hour or so will take my custom.
PhotoSlider
08-26-18, 19:43
When I wrote 4 hour average, I was thinking most clients go 1-2 hours but then occasional clients go overnight or even several days in the case of a girl traveling with the client, which brings the average up.You are absolutely correct, GIA-KEC price structure strongly encourages prolongation. Additional hours of extension cost progressively less and less:
Today going from 4 hours to 6 to 8 could be mere 25 USD per hour more. Extending 8 to 10 is 20 USD per hour more.
Extending 10 to 24 hours is only 3000 UAH more (less than 8 USD per hour). Unlike others, at night I do not sleep 8 hours straight, and after 3-5 hours of rest my requests for intimacy were not denied by those GIA girls that stayed overnight. They wake up and perform without any hint of complaint. Thus supporting Kozerog's point of view that providers value their employment with GIA.
The most affordable GIA girls today start at 4000. Two years ago my favorite one was at 3000. Exchange rate was roughly the same, definitely not 30% lower. Therefore GIA is even more expensive today. It seems that so far market demand supports their business model.
Additionally, in so many years GIA never had more than 40 girls. Some left or were let go, new ones got hired, but exclusive nature of the agency ensured satisfaction at all levels: customers, providers, management and protection. That also supports Kozerog's statement that there is a sufficient pool of talented candidates willing to join, and measuring their ambitions and aspirations against girls compensation at GIA.
For those more expensive GIA girls, that start at 6 K UAH for the first hour, extending 10 to 24 hours instead of additional 8 USD / hour makes it 13 USD. 23000 UAH for 24 hours is substantial chunk of money (almost a grand), but still only $35/ hour. And in reality I paid significantly (more than 3 times) less for GIA quality girls.
Going back to average length of stay stay with GIA girls. My last 15+ stays usually lasted anywhere from 2 to 11 hours. One of them resulted in calling up one more girl. 2 stays were for 3 days with 4-6 hour breaks for classes and finals at the University, and 1 stay was for 11 amazing days. Only one girl was so-so, but mostly due to her lack of confidence resulting in poor manners, she was 20 and still above and beyond being awesome in bed.
For the sake of statistical analysis I would treat multiple days stays as outliers. Then multi-hour stays average out to 6-7 hours. Perhaps I spend more than a typical GIA customer, but only management would know that.
Now, before we get into a pissing contest about GIA or Kiev or Ukrainian girls in general being mediocre, ugly, unattractive and all that bullshit, please read Kozerog's explanation on what female qualities are important to him personally. Some Forum members value tall and slender, some need BBBJCIMWS + Greek, - preferences and criteria are endless, and they do not always overlap. I tend to agree with Kozerog, and find it difficult to find a viable alternative to Ukrainian beauties, mostly due to their attitude, manners, style, as well as looks and certainly price.
For my female visitors average take home pay was anywhere from free to 300-400 USD. Mostly it was 2 categories: 75 USD for a one hour quickie, and 150-300 USD for 4-10 hours stay with MSOG, going out for a night on town, returning, Jacuzzi diving, and endless fun.
IMO bang for the buck ratio in Kiev is literally so much higher. YMMV.
PhotoSlider
08-26-18, 23:54
...Additionally, in so many years GIA never had more than 40 girls. Some left or were let go, new ones got hired, but exclusive nature of the agency ensured satisfaction at all levels: customers, providers, management and protection. That also supports Kozerog's statement that there is a sufficient pool of talented candidates willing to join, and measuring their ambitions and aspirations against girls compensation at GIA...Now having said the above, I see a fallacy in my own reasoning.
Currently KEC-GIA shows 34 girls are employed, and 16 are available today.
What does it really mean that number of KEC-GIA providers never go above 40?
Is it because at this price range it matches the demand? Or because 30-40 girls generate the cash flow high enough to pay off all the parties involved?
The latter is hard to believe. Greed is never fully satisfied.
There were questions about branching out into Odessa and L'viv to generate even more revenue through local presence, and GIA answered in a standard manner: "GIA girls can travel to you anywhere, and customer covers the travel expenses, as Kiev is The HQ".
Maybe beyond 40 it is more difficult to manage? There must be a reasonable ratio of management overhead per actual worker bees head count, and desire to keep the former at a minimum.
Apologies to Kozerog, as I go off on a tangent here, and away from his original subject of determining the reasonable price range. The thought of measuring up yourself back at 35 years old to the current partner as a marriage candidate is truly brilliant! It also relieves one of an actual obligation to marry a WG, quite a risky proposition indeed, but we are not 35 anymore, and can enjoy the ride as long as it is mutually beneficial.
...In other words, if you can offer somewhere upwards of $150 (4200 uah) per meeting of several hours, you should have no difficulty attracting high quality independents, assuming you are not an unpleasant customer...Great concise statement, couldn't have said it better! And we are not talking about 30-60 minutes with a clock watcher. $150 per visit gives few hours of genuine GFE pleasure. It is not guaranteed, but if played properly, probability is fairly high. See the recent reports by NorskKing, Womaniszer et al. That is precisely why I travel to Kiev, besides the lower cost of quality living. $40 a day without girls is impressive. I'll try. My apartments in the past were in $120-150/ day range, with emergence of AirBnB it went down to $80-100 and now is at $50 downtown, very nice.
The rate in sept was around 14 grevnas to the or 8. 5 to the $.
10 days ago it was between 13 to 13.35, to the .
So 50 grevnas is about 3.75.
Frankly speaking, if it wasn't for the current favourable exchange rates and $ to the UAH and cheap airfares from london, I don't think, I would classify Kiev as a reasonable mongering destination.
I hope it is not going the same way as poland. As late as June 09, you could get 5. 10 zloty pln to the , now it is 4. 50.
This is, all in preparation for poland to join the euro system.
Then we can say goodbye to sex in poland, because prices will shoot up, and 100 zloty be will be quoted as 100 euro.
Some Polish hookers are already asking the golden figure of 100 Euro Ph.What I said at the time, Nov 2009. To me the attraction of Kiev are the semi pros and the sponsoring game.
I think I remember seeing her before at River Palace, 2009/10 as she seemed to be a regular. Now nearly 9 years older is at.
http://kievescort.club/girl/valeria4
PhotoSlider
08-27-18, 05:28
I think I remember seeing her before at River Palace, 2009/10 as she seemed to be a regular. Now nearly 9 years older is at.
http://kievescort.club/girl/valeria4She left GIA before at least once. There also seemed to be a report of her showing up at the customer's with a serious hangover. She did a complete website pix makeover after that.
Either way, 33 years old is not exactly what some of us are after, even when the range of services is extensive.
Some girls at Rio do oral sex without condom, 2 girls even gave me their phone numbers and had meetings for $200 for 2 hours, I would rather do that than go the club.
...To me the attraction of Kiev are the semi pros and the sponsoring game.I completely agree. So here's my advice to average newcomers to Kyiv, who have a limited budget, regarding pricing for semi-pros from Mamba. Start with offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. If you like the girl and want to see her longer, offer $150 to extend to 3-4 hours. If the girl initially had an high opinion of her value and demanded $100 for a single hour and you agreed to that, then she probably won't agree to extend to 4 hours for $150. But you should be able to extend to 2 hours for $150, unless she had prior scheduling commitments. Next visit, try to get her to accept $150 for 3 hours, and eventually you might be able to push her to 4 hours for that amount.
Most semi-pros in Kyiv will be highly tempted by $150 for 4 hours from a repeat client who wasn't unpleasant, unless they are very short of time (university student, young child, full time job, etc). If shortage of time is the problem, maybe try to accommodate her schedule by letting her arrive in work clothes and relax a bit at your hotel or apartment before sex.
I'm aware that not everyone wants that much time, whereas I prefer longer sessions twice a week rather than shorter but more frequent sessions. Fire those newcomers who prefer shorter seasons, advice can be shortened to "offer $100 for an hour of sex".
Womaniszer recently, and others previously, have reported good experiences paying $50 for several hours with semi pros. However, I think "average" newcomers will be frustrated at the quality of girls they get at that price, which is why I recommended an initial offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. It is possible some of these men having success with $50 offers are younger and better looking than average clients, in which case girls may think "why not let him taste the milk and maybe he'll buy the cow?" In other words, reduced price in hopes of marriage aka the long game.
It's also possible to get quality girls at lower prices if you speak Russian, since girls without English ability have limited access to foreign clients. (Most such girls are currently from eastern Ukraine, so Russian language currently more useful than Ukrainian.).
To repeat what I said before, independents and semi pros are likely to be flexible about giving extra time, especially to repeat clients who are not unpleasant, because of the time and effort involved in finding new clients. Another reason to prefer independents and semi pros to agency girls. Other reasons: girls receive entire amount of money paid rather than just 50% or less, and so are doubly motivated at a given cost from client's perspective; no agency keeping track of man's sexual activities, which I found annoying the few times I used agency girls; girls less stressed out because they can refuse clients they don't like and only one client per day in case of semi-pros and some independent pros (KEC aka Gia girls also only see one client per day, supposedly).
I'm using usd (rather than uah because the exchange rate is once again changing. Also, all these numbers are just ballpark figures. $100 = 2787 uah right now. Obviously, you could round to either 2500 or 3000 uah depending on various factors. Finally, as noted, this pricing advice is for men with limited budget. If budget unlimited, then just pay whatever the girl asks.
She left GIA before at least once. There also seemed to be a report of her showing up at the customer's with a serious hangover. She did a complete website pix makeover after that.
Either way, 33 years old is not exactly what some of us are after, even when the range of services is extensive.I don't know if you were around at the time of River Palace years? At that time Valeria looked closer to 30 than 20 and had a different hair color. Spoke with her few times at the club, But never took her out as I wasn't attracted by her looks.
She also did Buddha bar later on along with few other girls from ex RP Club.
I completely agree. So here's my advice to average newcomers to Kyiv, who have a limited budget, regarding pricing for semi-pros from Mamba. Start with offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. If you like the girl and want to see her longer, offer $150 to extend to 3-4 hours. If the girl initially had an high opinion of her value and demanded $100 for a single hour and you agreed to that, then she probably won't agree to extend to 4 hours for $150. But you should be able to extend to 2 hours for $150, unless she had prior scheduling commitments. Next visit, try to get her to accept $150 for 3 hours, and eventually you might be able to push her to 4 hours for that amount.
Most semi-pros in Kyiv will be highly tempted by $150 for 4 hours from a repeat client who wasn't unpleasant, unless they are very short of time (university student, young child, full time job, etc). If shortage of time is the problem, maybe try to accommodate her schedule by letting her arrive in work clothes and relax a bit at your hotel or apartment before sex.
I'm aware that not everyone wants that much time, whereas I prefer longer sessions twice a week rather than shorter but more frequent sessions. Fire those newcomers who prefer shorter seasons, advice can be shortened to "offer $100 for an hour of sex"..Great reports Kozerog, I really enjoy reading them and thanks about your.
Tip about the Keffir Drink for Health and Vitality, longevity.
It took me a while to find the Long Life drink in Houston as at first I had to find the Russian store,{ Baba Vega} there. IN London it's easier to find Keffir.
You really need to update Lonely Planet's Book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10048014-eastern-europe-on-a-shoestring. with your own latest experiences, doing Kiev on, US $ 40 a day all in Daily living expenses. Eastern Europe on a Shoestring.
BTW, the guide was so useful for me first time I used it very late 80's when.
I first did few EE& Central European countries on a solo backpacking trip starting with Prague but never made it to Kiev at that time. Eventually made it 20 years older and with a much deeper Pocket, LOL.
Hello guys!
I'm 43 and plan to have my first paid relation. I read a lot about your experiences, travel and I thank you a lot. I live in France not far from Germany. First of all I though the best is ylto go to an FKK for a day but I read a lot of bad things on local forum here. Then I think, why not planing a week end but further to Budapest or Prague. But after all my reading Kiev seems to be the best place to experience good time if we have the good advice to avoid bad places. I found a beautiful Airbnb and a plane ticket for November.
What do you think about my city choice? I also found my dream girl, can I post the escort link of her here without breaking any rules? Thank you.
PhotoSlider
08-28-18, 01:38
I don't know if you were around at the time of River Palace years? At that time Valeria looked closer to 30 than 20 and had a different hair color. Spoke with her few times at the club, But never took her out as I wasn't attracted by her looks.
She also did Buddha bar later on along with few other girls from ex RP Club.I was lucky enough to enjoy River Palace in 2008. Perhaps only Discotheque HELP in Rio-de-Janeiro may compare in energy and atmosphere.
Didn't see Valeria there, but it was very crowded, and likewise, she is not my type anyway, especially while I am sober. I do like 27-32 fit experienced intelligent classy ladies with a nice tan, in fact I like them a lot! Yet, something in 18-20 years old Ukrainian ladies resonates with my heart oh so deeply.
From RP I took to my apartment 19 years scantily clad brunette with joyful smile and a matching attitude. She didn't even bargain, had a drink of sparkling water from the bar, while we danced on the floor, 5-10 minutes later jumped in a taxi, and I simply donated what I thought was proper after 3 hours together, then took her to the cab outside around 3 am, packed quickly and in an hour and a half checked in for my flight out of Borispyl.
Then 3 years passed, away from Ukraine. RP was gone end of July 2010, a year before my next return.
Since then I visited Buddha Bar once, Caribbean once, DLux once. Also some large disco establishment at Arena with great house music, do not recall the name. Didn't enjoy much any of those. Nothing is even close to RP. My favorite after RP was Mandarin Cabaret on the river. I liked their stage choreography and group dancing better than Rio strip club, and certainly much better than newer Scarlette.
River Palace was before IG, Viber and WhatsApp. Fond memories.
PhotoSlider
08-28-18, 01:45
Some girls at Rio do oral sex without condom, 2 girls even gave me their phone numbers and had meetings for $200 for 2 hours, I would rather do that than go the club.$200 for 2 hours is better than the cut they get from $300 split with management.
Is it 40% to girl and 60% to the club?
Just make sure management doesn't see you taking girl's phone number while at the club. It could be safer to procure at the booth around the stage, as private dance rooms may have cameras installed.
Great reports Kozerog, I really enjoy reading them and thanks about your.
Tip about the Keffir Drink for Health and Vitality, longevity.
It took me a while to find the Long Life drink in Houston as at first I had to find the Russian store,{ Baba Vega} there. IN London it's easier to find Keffir.
You really need to update Lonely Planet's Book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10048014-eastern-europe-on-a-shoestring. with your own latest experiences, doing Kiev on, US $ 40 a day all in Daily living expenses. Eastern Europe on a Shoestring.
BTW, the guide was so useful for me first time I used it very late 80's when.
I first did few EE& Central European countries on a solo backpacking trip starting with Prague but never made it to Kiev at that time. Eventually made it 20 years older and with a much deeper Pocket, LOL.Typing on this device is a nightmare, full stops, commas, all over the place. . Not very good Puntuaction and its making me seeing doubles.
Apologies.
PhotoSlider
08-28-18, 03:09
Typing on this device is a nightmare...As long as underlying thought process is solid, we are cool.
To add to calamities: your PM box is full.
Guys,
Be aware of this lady on Mamba. Search for her ID mb1629445287 in case the link below is blocked.
https://www.mamba Ru / mb1629445287.
She is in Kiev, but she pretends from other city. She asks if you pay for her bus fare to come to see you. Do not fall for her trick.
Was in the Scarlet. Got a lot of positive emotions. Girls are many, all different, for every taste.
As long as underlying thought process is solid, we are cool.
To add to calamities: your PM box is full.Thinking outside the box made me forget the inner box. Declassified and deleted few PMS which were less sensitive than others. Now there, s Room at the Inn.
I was lucky enough to enjoy River Palace in 2008. Perhaps only Discotheque HELP in Rio-de-Janeiro may compare in energy and atmosphere..Fond memories indeed and how time flies by. Now you mentioned HELP in Rio, it was closed in January 2010, 7, months before the closure of River Palace.
I did Help in Rio long before RP. Took out from HELP to my hotel Excelsior on Cobacabana some really hot ones Mulatto and Black for about US $50 of Great fun.
River Palace Kiev was like my second home at night, But never took out any girl from there at night as I was determined not to pay London &,Houston Prices of nearly, 200 in Kiev when I had a very hot list of tanned blondes at the 2 cities for almost the same price and less.
What I did at RP was to tip the heavies at the club including the fat mafia looking manager often and buy drinks for girls who took my fancy. Told them I only function late afternoon, early evening, get their digits and offer them $100 for one hour or less, happy hour prices next day, and if they wanted to leave earlier as it didn't bother me.
Of course many of them loved the idea of having light dinner, good drinks and $100 net in their purse without any % going into the pockets of the Club Heavies who used to monitor the girls leaving with guys at night, hence the girls insist on $200 +as a big % goes to the club. At night at the.
Club we just didn't mix later on.
Of the really fun clubs around the world that I really enjoyed being there at the time.
Lucerna Club in Prague, a landmark of fun times in the Iron Curtain Years. It's still open.
Help in Rio.
River Palace.
West World Club in Minsk was an institution of fun, than RP Kiev and more freebies and semi pros. Closed.
Did you mean Arena city Club?
Was in the Scarlet. Got a lot of positive emotions. Girls are many, all different, for every taste.Any idea about your costs there that you incurred and other prices for girls, drinks, take out?
Wow. $150 for an hour with a mother of a young child with a baby damaged body? I've been away too long. If this is true, I'll stay away too!
Lately I met one guy at the end of his stay and he told me about his experiences with Mamba. That was his first time in Kiev. The first girl he ordered on Mamba was a 23 years old blond girl. At his address came a blond girl, but she wasn't 23, rather around 40 years old. Although the cheating and the age, he had a good time with her. Well I wouldn't be so happy with that. Damage: More than 2000 UAH, totally overpaid for a 40 years old.
Second experience he had an appointment with a young girl in the middle of the afternoon. She never showed up. It sometimes happens to me too, especially when you deal with non-pros. They just change their mind at the last minute, they have another client, their child is sick, they have to stay at work or at the university, she looks at your pictures again and find you not attractive enough for her, so she decides not to come, etc. If you deal with pros, you don't have that problem, because the mafia wants to get money from you. And the girl has to go with any customer.
The third meeting was with a pro. The girl asked him for giving the money to the driver. Risky to do that, especially if you haven't met the person before. He did it and they went upstairs to his flat. He had a good time. She has nice body and pretty. Damage: a bit more than 2000 with BJ.
For his last experience in Kiev he met a girl, nice face. So he thought that he found a jewel. Once naked he could see her breasts falling down, like the ones of an old lady. Furthermore she seems to have a really bad skin. Damage: around 2000 UAH and the feeling to be tricked again. Well Mamba is full of traps anyway. Fake photos, fake profiles, operators from the mafia behind around 30% of the profiles, it's hard to find a real non-pro or an independent semi-pro or pro.
He also realised how it is a time consuming activity to chat with these girls on mamba. That's a part time job and I can confirm that.
MagicSheep74
08-29-18, 08:53
Lately I met one guy at the end of his stay and he told me about his experiences with Mamba. That was his first time in Kiev. The first girl he ordered on Mamba was a 23 years old blond girl. At his address came a blond girl, but she wasn't 23, rather around 40 years old. Although the cheating and the age, he had a good time with her. Well I wouldn't be so happy with that. Damage: More than 2000 UAH, totally overpaid for a 40 years old.
Second experience he had an appointment with a young girl in the middle of the afternoon. She never showed up. It sometimes happens to me too, especially when you deal with non-pros. They just change their mind at the last minute, they have another client, their child is sick, they have to stay at work or at the university, she looks at your pictures again and find you not attractive enough for her, so she decides not to come, etc. If you deal with pros, you don't have that problem, because the mafia wants to get money from you. And the girl has to go with any customer.Disappointment is written on everybody's face in Ukraine. Scam city, scam culture, poor mongering destination.
Nice feedback and honest, realistic reporting.
Wow. $150 for an hour with a mother of a young child with a baby damaged body? I've been away too long. If this is true, I'll stay away too!The mother with a bad skin and falling boobs got by my calculation, UAH2000 only US 71.42.
She can now put a down payment for a boob job. LOL.
Doing Care in the community in a way through mongering in Kiev.
EuropeanYm84
08-29-18, 19:39
Hello to everybody,
I plan to go very soon and I am looking for a good accommodation.
What area do you suggest?
I usually go in 4-5 stars hotel, possibily Mercure or Hilton.
My main concern is location and also the fact that they do not have security or card operated elevators. I do not want to go in the lobby to pick up girls.
PhotoSlider
08-30-18, 19:21
Any idea about your costs there that you incurred and other prices for girls, drinks, take out?My 2 cents for what it's worth:
Vital posted his first ever message after my mentioning not being impressed with Scarlette. Seems management reads Kiev Forum.
YMMV, Mandarin was great any day of the week. Perhaps it staying on the river reminded somebody River Palace or something. They shut it down. Rio is in the same building where Klitschko, the mayor of Kiev lives. Go figure!
Rio can be sometimes crowded, and there are attractive girls between otherwise repulsive hippos and elephants.
AFAIK all 3 clubs including Scarlette function (ed) under one umbrella, and girls migrate from one to another. Therefore price structure is the same. Do not recall the exact entrance fee, as I usually show up there drunk, - something like 200 UAH? I tip the manager, he looks like an ex-military and speaks acceptable English.
Heineken or Corona is 4 USD for 0.33 l bottle, Chivas Regal 12 years 50 ML is 7 USD. Food is decent and reasonably priced.
I seldom do private dances, as half the time attend the club with my own GF, or prefer to chat with dancers sitting in my booth. Girls are 300 USD for take out. And as has been said already many times, additional entrance+drinks+tips+food+dance expenses accrued over couple hours can easily be $100+. SSDD.
http://kievescort.club/girl/vlada9
I've been waiting for Gia to use the new name Vlada after seeing they used Dasha (Two popular girls in Chicago). Sure enough just listed. LOL.
My 2 cents for what it's worth:
Vital posted his first ever message after my mentioning not being impressed with Scarlette. Seems management reads Kiev Forum.
YMMV, Mandarin was great any day of the week. Perhaps it staying on the river reminded somebody River Palace or something. They shut it down. Rio is in the same building where Klitschko, the mayor of Kiev lives. Go figure!.Many thanks P.S. For the info.
The post was so vague I drew the same conclusion. Good job they read this Great Mongering Forum so they know would be mongers do read reviews,research and compare prices.
That said, I never took out any Girl out of Rio club although I took private dances there and enjoyed the atmosphere.
Back in 2010 I went to a very good strip club on the other side of the Dnipro after reading a post about it here, was called Tixi Omut. Next to a Seafood restaurant. There was an outside Sauna as well.
I posted a review of it at the time but can't find now on this thread now.
I thought it was a better layout, much better deal than Rio at the time and cheaper.
To me flying my ass all the way to Kiev to fuck a stripper late at night at a cost of $300+, at least another 100 in the club defeats the whole object of going to Kiev, But of course each to their own.
http://kievescort.club/girl/vlada9
I've been waiting for Gia to use the new name Vlada after seeing they used Dasha (Two popular girls in Chicago). Sure enough just listed. LOL.Which goes to show it was a very good idea that you posted the links to the 2 Russian students in Chicago with prices and reviews on the Sister site. GIa and Management of well known clubs read this forum and they should realize that experienced Well travelled mongers aren't really overwhelmed by the beauty of the Kiev escort scene at present and at such Inflated prices. One such example a Mom who smokes listing her age 33 . http://kievescort.club/girl/valeria4.
Smoker Yes.
Gave birth yes.
Int Passport yes.
Bio Passport yes.
English Basic.
She has 2 Passports, hence the rates $250 and for knocking on the Trade Man's Entrance is another $150 . LOL.
PhotoSlider
08-31-18, 03:53
http://kievescort.club/girl/vlada9
I've been waiting for Gia to use the new name Vlada after seeing they used Dasha (Two popular girls in Chicago). Sure enough just listed. LOL.Didn't occur to me. For sure now, they have been following Chicago. Vlada of Chicago seems classier. Vlada of KEC-GIA looks more like a country girl, not bad though, especially in that lingerie! She is the first one not to have 1 hour option, starting at 2 minimum.
Two years ago there was a girl with stage name Bogdana, her real name was Vlada and she was my top 3 choice in bed. There were 4 of us, then 5. After multiple hours marathon with her, and breaks for going out to theater, karaoke in the kitchen, drinks, calling up her female roommate, we went for yet another round in my larger bedroom, and I felt completely exhausted. Mind was there, but not the body. Anywhere else the working girl would be happy to slack off, but not that Vlada of Kiev / Kramatorsk. She asked me straight:
- Don't you like me?
- Baby! How can you even think that? I like you very much, like you a lot, I simply didn't get enough sleep last night and am very tired.
- No excuses accepted let me help you.
She smiled, and we kept going. What a lady!
Was there ever anybody named Natasha at GIA? Do not recall. But today KEC posted 18 years old beauty Milena at 5000 UAH, and immediately jacked up the price to 6000. Must be a spike in demand for legal teenagers. In about 3 months she'll be 19, and I am tempted, but not enough to justify $500 for a minimum of 6 hours to start with her, and better be 10 hours. Almost easier to jerk off.
PhotoSlider
08-31-18, 04:10
Back in 2010 I went to a very good strip club on the other side of the Dnipro after reading a post about it here, was called Tixi Omut."Tihij Omut" is a part of famous proverb "V tihom omute cherti vodjatsja". English equivalent says "Still waters run deep", but closer translation would be "There are beasts and witches in a quiet whirlpool of river water".
To me flying my ass all the way to Kiev to fuck a stripper late at night at a cost of $300+, at least another 100 in the club defeats the whole object of going to Kiev, But of course each to their own.Guilty, your honor! I recklessly hired long legged Albina at Mandarin in June 2014 the day of President Poroshenko inauguration. Didn't talk much at my apartment, but when she walked out of the shower and joined me, I lost all doubts and regrets. Very smooth performer. Saw her again two years later. No go. She didn't smarten up, but gained extra weight and cellulite. End of story.
Had another hottie from Rio in 2015. That one was in a certain way a highlight of my mongering career, but that story better be told in private over a glass of wine, if we ever meet. Perhaps a book or a movie script.
I doubt I'll feel the urge to do $300-500 any time soon. GIA is a better deal. Semi-pros and indies are much better deal, and not just because of money.
PhotoSlider
08-31-18, 04:50
Question: Can someone please suggest a few good adult massage places for a tired traveler downtown Kiev? Looking for fresh current info.
Roxolana next to Bessarabsky Market was good, but it transformed into a hair-cut Spa few years ago.
Close to Maidan there was De Fleur or something, with both sensual and BDSM. Also went down. Called VIP now.
Had good luck more than 3 times at Relax next to Premier-Palace and University, despite their attempts to up sell extras.
Google thinks Royal next to Maidan is the best. 2000 UAH for 1 hour massage is a little too steep, one could get FS for that, but sometimes I have a headache and need a good erotic massage with a knowledgeable expert. The best part is not allowing them to do a hand job. Girls become so agitated and insist on doing it to completion!
Dolly next to Golden Gate didn't impress in 2016, supposedly improved since then. They offer 2 hour program for 1100 UAH. Anybody tried it? Or prefers some other establishment?
Would be much obliged.
PhotoSlider
08-31-18, 18:51
Which goes to show it was a very good idea that you posted the links to the 2 Russian students in Chicago with prices and reviews on the Sister site. GIa and Management of well known clubs read this forum and they should realize that experienced Well travelled mongers aren't really overwhelmed by the beauty of the Kiev escort scene at present and at such Inflated prices. One such example a Mom who smokes listing her age 33 . http://kievescort.club/girl/valeria4.Riina did absolutely the right thing. Going to Kiev from a different country with a sole purpose of getting laid is a pricey undertaking, especially if the visit is short, there are no contacts from prior adventures, and a hopeful punter doesn't speak local language.
Cross-referencing world-wide sources of information on comparable commodities without excessive emotions is the best way to establish the truth in a constantly changing global environment.
With regards to Valeria, IMO the biggest concern is her work ethics. She is not alone in that respect, the same is true for about 10-20% of GIA workforce. There were girls leaving customers before the paid time was over, refusing to kiss while it "kissing with tongue" was listed, and placing the usual artificial blame on the customer hygiene, which is a total bullshit, as few hours earlier equally valuable high class provider did prolonged DFK NP.
Another trick: KEC-GIA lists DP, when in reality none of the girls do greek plus vaginal with two partners at the same time. Before the bust GIA "creative" interpretation for DP was "single partner with a toy". Not that I am that much of a connoisseur, but WTF?
Newly reincarnated KEC went even further in deception, for two girls (Inna and Vlada) they list a DP service while there is no anal. Do search and see for yourself (unless management fixes it, how they did for Martina). This particular flavor of so-called "DP" is a fruit of management's inflamed imagination where a girl that does (1) "group" (+50%) and (2) a fake "double penetration" substitute where 2nd partner goes for BJ (200 USD). BJ is actually included free for all the girls. With or without cover. I guess Greed is one of Seven Deadly Sins.
And that new fake "DP" a la KEC style in our regular daily monger life was always called "helicopter", not a DP. Lie is a lie is a lie.
Now Vlada mentioned above starts at $350 for 2 hours minimum. Rough estimates for that fake DP gives $700+ for 2 hours. Payment to the girl is upfront. Chances of getting refund by two gentlemen with their pants already down, that just discovered that they've been fucked by KEC management, are very low. Welcome to the wonderful world of mongering!
Is it any different in Shanghai, Dubai or LOS Angeles than in Kiev?
Valeria starts at 6000 UAH, currently highest rate at GIA, and even a single incident in the past of her showing up at the client door with clearly visible hangover shows considerable lack of self discipline. This cannot be compensated by extensive list of services. Life of single mom in Kiev is hard, and after 10-15 years in business it gets long in the teeth, but do we customers care? We want more of those fresh green-eyed Milenas and energetic Katias.
At the moment KEC-GIA has a miserable 500 UAH only for the first hour discount of Ksyusha or Mila, which is nothing regardless of duration, - one hour quickie or 10 hours extended stay. I see two explanations for yet another example of unjustified greed:
1. KEC-GIA has enough customers because they were down for 2. 5 months and filthy rich oil magnates are hungry for supposedly high class Ukrainian pussy.
2. KEC-GIA is eager to recover losses.
Two years ago UAH prices and their equivalent in USD were significantly lower than today. Hike in exchange rate doesn't matter.
The approach is "Squeeze them customers dry! Different mongers will come anyway. GIA, apartment salons, online or anything else. Free market rules.
My impression it works both ways, and when business partner becomes too greedy while not watching quality and price of the service offering, customers find other opportunities. Globally like Riina, or even locally in such a large and diverse city as Kiev.
Wow. $150 for an hour with a mother of a young child with a baby damaged body? I've been away too long. If this is true, I'll stay away too!Is this the standard price? Hmmm.
I met last time a 19 year old student girl in front of McDonalds. Gave her 1'000 UAH for a nice fuck with good GF sex. Next week, I will meet her again, she will stay with me for ten day and I agreed to give her 300 $ for that. I think this is a fair deal.
Then I also know a 24 year old single mom, not sure about her job, she is engaged with a unknowing, silly westerner, and she is smoking hot! Amazing tits and ass and also feet and face. She wants 200 $ for a Friday evening until Monday morning.
Both girls no risk because I know them from last time.
PhotoSlider
09-01-18, 05:34
I met last time a 19 year old student girl in front of McDonalds. Gave her 1'000 UAH for a nice fuck with good GF sex. Next week, I will meet her again, she will stay with me for ten day and I agreed to give her 300 $ for that. I think this is a fair deal.
Then I also know a 24 year old single mom ...snip... and she is smoking hot! Amazing tits and ass and also feet and face. She wants 200 $ for a Friday evening until Monday morning.Unsurpassed Champion!
I am drooling.
...
And that new fake "DP" a la KEC style in our regular daily monger life was always called "helicopter", not a DP. Lie is a lie is a lie.
Now Vlada mentioned above starts at $350 for 2 hours minimum. Rough estimates for that fake DP gives $700+ for 2 hours. Payment to the girl is upfront. Chances of getting refund by two gentlemen with their pants already down, that just discovered that they've been fucked by KEC management, are very low. Welcome to the wonderful world of mongering!
....Loool, when I hear such things then I know why I stoped meeting paid / agency girls long ago. All is just a big lie. Finding a "correct" ***** is like playing lottery. Same in Poland. Advertisements are nothing but fairy tales.
PhotoSlider
09-01-18, 23:03
Loool, when I hear such things then I know why I stoped meeting paid / agency girls long ago. All is just a big lie. Finding a "correct" ***** is like playing lottery. Same in Poland. Advertisements are nothing but fairy tales.He-he-he. Within 24 hours after my customer complaint here, KEC-GIA updated listed services and now 7 girls do Greek+DP (with one customer, therefore DP with a toy) and 3 girls do Group+Greek+DP. FWIW.
Forum rules!
When in Kiev last week foe 4 days met. Several girls all from tinder, all ages, all reasonable for money, it just takes few conversations back and forth to get them to join you, very GFE.
Good luck.
When in Kiev last week foe 4 days met. Several girls all from tinder, all ages, all reasonable for money, it just takes few conversations back and forth to get them to join you, very GFE.
Good luck.My experience as well. Most (if not all) girls in dating platforms (e. G. Tinder, Badoo, Mamba) do GFE for sex. This is called sponsoring.
Do you have some data points to share? I am in particular interested in age and price.
My experience as well. Most (if not all) girls in dating platforms (e. G. Tinder, Badoo, Mamba) do GFE for sex. This is called sponsoring.
Do you have some data points to share? I am in particular interested in age and price.GFE and sponsoring are two different things. GFE usually means services without condoms and DFK. Sponsoring is a supportive relationship.
Does anyone know of a local service or person that can arrange premium verified girls?
Does anyone know of a local service or person that can arrange premium verified girls?http://kievescort.club/escorts
As good as you will find.
GFE and sponsoring are two different things. GFE usually means services without condoms and DFK. Sponsoring is a supportive relationship.Oje, thank you for informing me. Sex without condome with a w h o are e? No, thanks. Too risky. Lots of illnesses.
http://kievescort.club/escorts
As good as you will find.Thanks for sharing such valuable information. Looo, who the heck would pay 200+ $ for one hour!? Would there be such freaky guy out there'?
The problem is that Kiev escort club doesn't have face pics and that the girls looks like 7-8's.
I am looking for girls in the class of lvov24 and are willing to pay for it. Too bad that site smells like scam.
No true premium resources in Kiev? I know the girls are there.
Thanks for sharing such valuable information. Looo, who the heck would pay 200+ $ for one hour!? Would there be such freaky guy out there'?
PhotoSlider
09-03-18, 20:57
...who the heck would pay 200+ $ for one hour!? Would there be such freaky guy out there'?Certainly. Those who are less confident and fortunate than you.
PhotoSlider
09-04-18, 00:43
The problem is that Kiev escort club doesn't have face pics and that the girls looks like 7-8's.
I am looking for girls in the class of lvov24 and are willing to pay for it. Too bad that site smells like scam.
No true premium resources in Kiev? I know the girls are there.The plot thikens!
Who cares that KEC-GIA actually does show faces for most of the girls? Does it matter that lvov24 online portfolios are even heavier photoshopped than those of their prospective competitor?
Either way I am fine with introducing healthy competition, as long as prices go down across the board, and quality improves starting from truck driver hookers on Kiev outskirts, all the way to scantily clad freshmen students strolling by McDonald's on K in the hope of improving their immediate financial outlook.
Bring those Lvov24 immaculate ladies from Western Ukraine to Kiev for sampling!
GFE and sponsoring are two different things. GFE usually means services without condoms and DFK. Sponsoring is a supportive relationship.To me, sponsoring a woman in Kiev translated to, I will spend time with you for money including sexual and non sexual activities. It also seemed that almost every woman in Kiev that was out in night clubs or bars without a man was available.
https://t.me/sexkiev2525
Prices around 2000 UAH / HR. Easy booking.
Some photos are real. Some real photos will be sent upon request.
I didn't try because of other options.
PhotoSlider
09-04-18, 21:57
https://t.me/sexkiev2525
Prices around 2000 UAH / HR. Easy booking.
Some photos are real. Some real photos will be sent upon request.
I didn't try because of other options.Thanks. Looks like another consolidation site under it:
intim-house.com
Supported languages: English, Polish, Ukrainian, Russian.
Some girls are grouped into agencies based on hourly rate. Will give it a try.
That lvov24 is a scam-site. Can anyone confer or contradict?
Someone asked about Dolly before, it is a nice place and just merged with golden.
The plot thikens!
Who cares that KEC-GIA actually does show faces for most of the girls? Does it matter that lvov24 online portfolios are even heavier photoshopped than those of their prospective competitor?
Either way I am fine with introducing healthy competition, as long as prices go down across the board, and quality improves starting from truck driver hookers on Kiev outskirts, all the way to scantily clad freshmen students strolling by McDonald's on K in the hope of improving their immediate financial outlook.
Bring those Lvov24 immaculate ladies from Western Ukraine to Kiev for sampling!
https://t.me/sexkiev2525
Prices around 2000 UAH / HR. Easy booking.
Some photos are real. Some real photos will be sent upon request.
I didn't try because of other options.Sorry to say but those girls are really second and third class. Why would anyone pay them 2'000 UAH?
Went to meet that other guy from the forum here yesterday. We went for business lunch. Then walked in direction Maidan square. On the walk, talked to some few girls. Then, there was one walking very fast with unhappy face. Once I approached her, I could make her imediately smile. We exchanged number after some talk. She contacted me a few hours later, we met for a coffee near my place. And guess what, she stayed over night. Kiev is so full of surprises.
PhotoSlider
09-08-18, 18:23
Went to meet that other guy from the forum here yesterday. We went for business lunch. Then walked in direction Maidan square. On the walk, talked to some few girls. Then, there was one walking very fast with unhappy face. Once I approached her, I could make her immediately smile. We exchanged number after some talk. She contacted me a few hours later, we met for a coffee near my place. And guess what, she stayed over night. Kiev is so full of surprises.Man,
What a business opportunity! Open a class for foreign newbies in Kiev, show them how it's done!
Respect!
Certainly. Those who are less confident and fortunate than you.The highest level escort agencies in America and Canada seem to charge $300 - $1200 a hour.
Getting a girl off Gia on the other hand can be $500 for 4 / 5 hours. Funny enough, the western agencies never publish health documents either.
But if you're German or can speak great German then it's probably a ripoff compared to the alleged unlimited fucking for $300 of some rumored all inclusive brothels.
Kiev so amazing at the moment. In July zero luck, now perfect.
Met another blond 24 yo girl in front of McDonalds. Talked to her last week, then met on Sunday and looks good. Will meet again once I am back from Dnipro. Meanwhile daily contact in messenger And then there are two other girls which I met, one below 30 yo from near my apartment outside city center and one 38 yo from Mamba (which I already met last Saturday). And then the young student girl which I paid 1'000 UAH for an hour all inclusive wants to meet also again for 3'000 whole night. I may give her 2'000 instead.
This one calls Kiev a new Berlin:
http://www.bbc.com/capital/gallery/20180910-a-city-turning-to-face-the-west
Agree or disagree?
In any case I'm glad I didn't move to Berlin. I moved to a smaller city.
Kiev so amazing at the moment. In July zero luck, now perfect.
Met another blond 24 yo girl in front of McDonalds. Talked to her last week, then met on Sunday and looks good. Will meet again once I am back from Dnipro. Meanwhile daily contact in messenger And then there are two other girls which I met, one below 30 yo from near my apartment outside city center and one 38 yo from Mamba (which I already met last Saturday). And then the young student girl which I paid 1'000 UAH for an hour all inclusive wants to meet also again for 3'000 whole night. I may give her 2'000 instead.Good job!
I also keep my Mamba contacts and they will meet for a discounted price when I'm back in Kiev in October.
This one calls Kiev a new Berlin:
http://www.bbc.com/capital/gallery/20180910-a-city-turning-to-face-the-west
Agree or disagree?
In any case I'm glad I didn't move to Berlin. I moved to a smaller city.Prostitution is legal in Berlin, so I don't think so.
Pinga Loca
09-14-18, 22:26
Its really difficult to prepare a list of pussies before travel to Kiev. I'm first timer on the country (although I have some experience on Russia). Most of the webs are totally fake (pretty girls smiling at you). Is difficult to separate truth than a fake advice. But I have found some advise on the forum of belochki (obviously fake advises) https://b.belochki8.com/en/kiev/intim-forum/.
, but there are some posts of girls (independent or not) that gives their number and a lot have whatsup, so we can arrange a date helping with the translator. I have talked with some of them. They send me some photos, and told me the prices, not as high as for a foreigner (about 200 UA or less). The quality of girls variety. I am from Barcelona, so on my city I have a lot of cheap and very quality pussy, but a lot from Latin America and less from Slavic countries which I liked. Another difference from my country is that almost all girls do blowjob with rubber. Or to pay about 1300 UA! If you want natural blowjob. Is that common?
Its really difficult to prepare a list of pussies before travel to Kiev. I'm first timer on the country (although I have some experience on Russia). Most of the webs are totally fake (pretty girls smiling at you). Is difficult to separate truth than a fake advice. But I have found some advise on the forum of belochki (obviously fake advises) https://b.belochki8.com/en/kiev/intim-forum/.
, but there are some posts of girls (independent or not) that gives their number and a lot have whatsup, so we can arrange a date helping with the translator. I have talked with some of them. They send me some photos, and told me the prices, not as high as for a foreigner (about 200 UA or less). The quality of girls variety. I am from Barcelona, so on my city I have a lot of cheap and very quality pussy, but a lot from Latin America and less from Slavic countries which I liked. Another difference from my country is that almost all girls do blowjob with rubber. Or to pay about 1300 UA! If you want natural blowjob. Is that common?No girl is willing to work for 200 UAH. Was the information in the forum from the year 2005? The whole site is a fake. It is only about the interest of the customers. If the customers are interested, the prices are changing and completely different women are coming. The men are horny and take every woman. And pay any price for every extra. That's the concept.
The price for local residents is about the same as the normal price for foreigners. In any case, as long as the foreigners do not pay fancy prices.
A small price (but not 200 UAH) is only possible if you make compromises on the quality of women. Or when a woman needs money urgently. That's the advantage of the locals. They know the market and the language. They are right there. Can make an appointment directly. This can not be done with a long preparation. Besides, they have to negotiate with the women. Many foreigners do not try. Or try to act with the wrong women. It sounds terrible, but the plight and the prospect of immediate payment are the key to the low price. Are the women on these internet sites in dire straits? Or the women on Mamba? They need money right now to solve a big problem? Normally not. Some women on Mamba need money directly for the rent. Otherwise, the problems are a minor matter. It's about a new smartphone or a vacation. No reason to meet with the client for little money.
I agree with you + Slavic women might be pretty but they are cold and greedy most don't speak any other language. Latinas are still top choice for me. Nevertheless I will stopover in Kiev and see for my self.
Its really difficult to prepare a list of pussies before travel to Kiev. I'm first timer on the country (although I have some experience on Russia). Most of the webs are totally fake (pretty girls smiling at you). Is difficult to separate truth than a fake advice. But I have found some advise on the forum of belochki (obviously fake advises) https://b.belochki8.com/en/kiev/intim-forum/.
, but there are some posts of girls (independent or not) that gives their number and a lot have whatsup, so we can arrange a date helping with the translator. I have talked with some of them. They send me some photos, and told me the prices, not as high as for a foreigner (about 200 UA or less). The quality of girls variety. I am from Barcelona, so on my city I have a lot of cheap and very quality pussy, but a lot from Latin America and less from Slavic countries which I liked. Another difference from my country is that almost all girls do blowjob with rubber. Or to pay about 1300 UA! If you want natural blowjob. Is that common?
MagicSheep74
09-15-18, 15:22
Its really difficult to prepare a list of pussies before travel to Kiev. I'm first timer on the country (although I have some experience on Russia). Most of the webs are totally fake (pretty girls smiling at you). Is difficult to separate truth than a fake advice. But I have found some advise on the forum of belochki (obviously fake advises) https://b.belochki8.com/en/kiev/intim-forum/.
, but there are some posts of girls (independent or not) that gives their number and a lot have whatsup, so we can arrange a date helping with the translator. I have talked with some of them. They send me some photos, and told me the prices, not as high as for a foreigner (about 200 UA or less). The quality of girls variety. I am from Barcelona, so on my city I have a lot of cheap and very quality pussy, but a lot from Latin America and less from Slavic countries which I liked. Another difference from my country is that almost all girls do blowjob with rubber. Or to pay about 1300 UA! If you want natural blowjob. Is that common?Unfortunately coming from Spain, you'll be very disappointed. The options in Barcelona and Madrid are endless, and even the Slavic girls you do find in Spain seem to be happier and provide a better service. Sure you'll see beautiful looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available. It an interesting city in other ways, but for pay for play its very hard work, time consuming and ultimately dissatisfying.
Good luck and stick with Russia / Spain.
https://www.kyivpost.com/lifestyle/people/meet-american-blogger-who-now-makes-ukraine-home.html
This guy is a fraud. The only reason he's in Ukraine is for the pussy. Kiev, scam city scam culture.
Pinga Loca
09-15-18, 19:52
No girl is willing to work for 200 UAH. Was the information in the forum from the year 2005? The whole site is a fake. It is only about the interest of the customers. If the customers are interested, the prices are changing and completely different women are coming. The men are horny and take every woman. And pay any price for every extra. That's the concept.
The price for local residents is about the same as the normal price for foreigners. In any case, as long as the foreigners do not pay fancy prices.
A small price (but not 200 UAH) is only possible if you make compromises on the quality of women. Or when a woman needs money urgently. That's the advantage of the locals. They know the market and the language. They are right there. Can make an appointment directly. This can not be done with a long preparation. Besides, they have to negotiate with the women. Many foreigners do not try. Or try to act with the wrong women. It sounds terrible, but the plight and the prospect of immediate payment are the key to the low price. Are the women on these internet sites in dire straits? Or the women on Mamba? They need money right now to solve a big problem? Normally not. Some women on Mamba need money directly for the rent. Otherwise, the problems are a minor matter. It's about a new smartphone or a vacation. No reason to meet with the client for little money.I'm sorry. I posted 200 UAH. I wanted to post 2000 UAH, a mistake. Obviously, its impossible to find woman that can work (and with a foreigner) for that price. Of course, to know language is a most, you can act like local man and don't get scammed.
Pinga Loca
09-15-18, 19:56
I agree with you + Slavic women might be pretty but they are cold and greedy most don't speak any other language. Latinas are still top choice for me. Nevertheless I will stopover in Kiev and see for my self.Of course. Latinas still be the most for me. Cheap pussy, great performances and a human touch that sometimes you think that you are with your regular girlfriend. But I like to taste different meals, and a tall blonde girl with blue or grey eyes is difficult to find in Colombia or Peru.
Its really difficult to prepare a list of pussies before travel to Kiev. I'm first timer on the country (although I have some experience on Russia). Most of the webs are totally fake (pretty girls smiling at you). Is difficult to separate truth than a fake advice. But I have found some advise on the forum of belochki (obviously fake advises) https://b.belochki8.com/en/kiev/intim-forum/.My eperience with normal girls, not sex for money: It needs time and relaxation in Ukraine. In July, when I was here for short time, I was absolutely not successfull. Now I September, where I am relaxed, and have no time pressure, I got within one week around 30 phone numbers, from which I had six first dates, four out of them turn into GF relationship (one is already so far) and one busy teeny paying girl. Then an enourmous number of Tinder, etc (which is mainly trash).
, but there are some posts of girls (independent or not) that gives their number and a lot have whatsup, so we can arrange a date helping with the translator. I have talked with some of them. They send me some photos, and told me the prices, not as high as for a foreigner (about 200 UA or less). The quality of girls variety. I am from Barcelona, so on my city I have a lot of cheap and very quality pussy, but a lot from Latin America and less from Slavic countries which I liked. Another difference from my country is that almost all girls do blowjob with rubber. Or to pay about 1300 UA! If you want natural blowjob. Is that common?200 UAH. Yes. Sure. No girl with even look at you for 200 UAH!
...Slavic women might be pretty but they are cold and greedy most don't speak any other language...Absolutely good describtion of Ukrainian women. Greedy and disrespectful. Most of them only want your money. Hence, it needs an awful lot of time to filter the few good girls from the money focussed trash girls.
Look, as a real life example, on the following conversation. That b i t c h does not want to meet in a normal way, i.e. go for a walk and talk. She does only meet with you if you invite her to an expensive restaruate including wine. That's how must of the online dating girls think. And sex afterwards is no. The problem is that there are plenty of losers out who agree to invite such girls in the hope it can develop something more.
I'm sorry. I posted 200 UAH. I wanted to post 2000 UAH, a mistake. Obviously, its impossible to find woman that can work (and with a foreigner) for that price. Of course, to know language is a most, you can act like local man and don't get scammed.2'000 is more realistic. However, for me too expensive. I would not pay more than 1'000 UAH for a good quality girl. IF I pay at all, rare exception.
Absolutely good describtion of Ukrainian women. Greedy and disrespectful. Most of them only want your money. Hence, it needs an awful lot of time to filter the few good girls from the money focussed trash girls.
Look, as a real life example, on the following conversation. That b i t c h does not want to meet in a normal way, i.e. go for a walk and talk. She does only meet with you if you invite her to an expensive restaruate including wine. That's how must of the online dating girls think. And sex afterwards is no. The problem is that there are plenty of losers out who agree to invite such girls in the hope it can develop something more.A very bad example.
The woman is fixated on money? For sure?
No, the woman is just not stupid.
You lie to the woman. She gives you the right answer.
Suitable for your inflated ego.
Why are you here in the forum? Because you are looking for sex. Sex for money. Or free sex. What do you think how many men write to this woman every day? And have the same intention?
You want to go for a walk with the woman? A joke. You want to fuck her. She knows. You are a foreigner. You do not speak the Russian language, not the Ukrainian language. What are you doing in Kiev? You are a sex tourist. That's very clear. Not just for this woman. For all women.
The woman might have agreed to a meeting. Did the woman ask for an expensive restaurant? Or expensive wine? No. This is your interpretation of the conversation. Did you try to suggest a restaurant? A mid-priced restaurant. Cool, stylish, interesting. Or a beer bar. Cheap for a man from Western Europe. Why not? You are apparently selfish. Do not want to spend any money. Not even 300 UAH (10 dollars) for a pizza and two beers. Or you have no money.
A meeting with a stranger in the park? Sit on the bench and hold hands? Or what does the woman have to expect? Some self-criticism would not be bad. Before you judge other people.
2'000 is more realistic. However, for me too expensive. I would not pay more than 1'000 UAH for a good quality girl. IF I pay at all, rare exception.1000 UAH for a good quality girl? I wish you good luck!
Even for 2000 UAH for a good quality girl is not so easy. But possible.
Happy to hear from you in this forum when you find one.
A very bad example.
The woman is fixated on money? For sure?
No, the woman is just not stupid.
You lie to the woman. She gives you the right answer.
Suitable for your inflated ego.
Why are you here in the forum? Because you are looking for sex. Sex for money. Or free sex. What do you think how many men write to this woman every day? And have the same intention?
You want to go for a walk with the woman? A joke. You want to fuck her. She knows. You are a foreigner. You do not speak the Russian language, not the Ukrainian language. What are you doing in Kiev? You are a sex tourist. That's very clear. Not just for this woman. For all women.
The woman might have agreed to a meeting. Did the woman ask for an expensive restaurant? Or expensive wine? No. This is your interpretation of the conversation. Did you try to suggest a restaurant? A mid-priced restaurant. Cool, stylish, interesting. Or a beer bar. Cheap for a man from Western Europe. Why not? You are apparently selfish. Do not want to spend any money. Not even 300 UAH (10 dollars) for a pizza and two beers. Or you have no money.
A meeting with a stranger in the park? Sit on the bench and hold hands? Or what does the woman have to expect? Some self-criticism would not be bad. Before you judge other people.
He Dude! I am here to exchange information with others. And I did not want to fuck that woman, I want to go for a walk and she contacted me (not other way round). And yes, she did suggest an expensive restaurant. Did you see the full conversation? No, so better be quit the write such a nonsense.
And to go back to topic. Yes, most women in Ukraine are greedy and disrepectful. They see western men as a source of wealth. There are some rare examples, e. G. The one I was out tonight.
During the cold war things were easier for men in these areas I only know the former satellite states. But still Latinas are gentle loving and most important shaved and clean which is a factor for all the pussy eaters here.
He Dude! I am here to exchange information with others. And I did not want to fuck that woman, I want to go for a walk and she contacted me (not other way round). And yes, she did suggest an expensive restaurant. Did you see the full conversation? No, so better be quit the write such a nonsense.
And to go back to topic. Yes, most women in Ukraine are greedy and disrepectful. They see western men as a source of wealth. There are some rare examples, e. G. The one I was out tonight.
DramaFree11
09-16-18, 22:46
Almost impossible to get girls in Kiev for free, for Foreign guys. There are so many Sex Tourist and girls can travel very easily all over the world now, almost feel sorry for Ukraine Guys, they will be paying shortly. 90% of Ukraine women have no desire to work, maybe more, and when they see thee peers and friends, being sponsored or working as escorts if just adds to the problem. You may get lucky and get one, but multiple free girls no way sorry, unless you super slow standards.
A very bad example.
The woman is fixated on money? For sure?
No, the woman is just not stupid.
You lie to the woman. She gives you the right answer.
Suitable for your inflated ego.
Why are you here in the forum? Because you are looking for sex. Sex for money. Or free sex. What do you think how many men write to this woman every day? And have the same intention?
You want to go for a walk with the woman? A joke. You want to fuck her. She knows. You are a foreigner. You do not speak the Russian language, not the Ukrainian language. What are you doing in Kiev? You are a sex tourist. That's very clear. Not just for this woman. For all women.
The woman might have agreed to a meeting. Did the woman ask for an expensive restaurant? Or expensive wine? No. This is your interpretation of the conversation. Did you try to suggest a restaurant? A mid-priced restaurant. Cool, stylish, interesting. Or a beer bar. Cheap for a man from Western Europe. Why not? You are apparently selfish. Do not want to spend any money. Not even 300 UAH (10 dollars) for a pizza and two beers. Or you have no money.
A meeting with a stranger in the park? Sit on the bench and hold hands? Or what does the woman have to expect? Some self-criticism would not be bad. Before you judge other people.
Prices are what they are and will remain dynamic changing with supply and demand based on seasons and girls needs, this forum should be more geared to locations of pickup spots and lounges.
Prices are what they are and will remain dynamic changing with supply and demand based on seasons and girls needs, this forum should be more geared to locations of pickup spots and lounges.Agreed. I've been using Mamba primarily for finding the girls. It works in every city but Kiev has much much more girls compared to other cities.
I don't know about any clubs / bars / places to approach girls directly though. I am open to any suggestions. I've met 6 (I guess) girls from Mamba and they were all different quality, all priced between 1500-3000 for 1 h.
DramaFree11
09-19-18, 19:45
Agreed. I've been using Mamba primarily for finding the girls. It works in every city but Kiev has much much more girls compared to other cities.
I don't know about any clubs / bars / places to approach girls directly though. I am open to any suggestions. I've met 6 (I guess) girls from Mamba and they were all different quality, all priced between 1500-3000 for 1 h.
I used Mamba 3 years ago and it was terrible, I wanted to kill myself, I can only imagine how bad it is now.
Agreed. I've been using Mamba primarily for finding the girls. It works in every city but Kiev has much much more girls compared to other cities.
I don't know about any clubs / bars / places to approach girls directly though. I am open to any suggestions. I've met 6 (I guess) girls from Mamba and they were all different quality, all priced between 1500-3000 for 1 h.
I used Mamba 3 years ago and it was terrible, I wanted to kill myself, I can only imagine how bad it is now.Same here. I found girls on Mamba. Quality goes with $$ I am going back in Nov.
PhotoSlider
09-21-18, 05:56
Kudos to Riina for suggesting small $7-12 L'Occitane hand creams of various flavors as gifts for ladies in Kiev. Girls love them, and the returned gratitude is so worth that additional investment! Gave it only to those that performed in an admirable fashion, and their verbal reactions, their face impressions could have made an interesting documentary. Lots of fun indeed!
Thank you much!
Same here. I found girls on Mamba. Quality goes with $$ I am going back in Nov.I'm up for sharing the legit and good girls we find on Kiev.
https://t.me/joinchat/HNPXAw7tQXsDc-RTFYGsIQ is a channel for sharing information.
DramaFree11
09-21-18, 23:11
Kudos to Riina for suggesting small $7-12 L'Occitane hand creams of various flavors as gifts for ladies in Kiev. Girls love them, and the returned gratitude is so worth that additional investment! Gave it only to those that performed in an admirable fashion, and their verbal reactions, their face impressions could have made an interesting documentary. Lots of fun indeed!
Thank you much!
Yes, good idea, nice ice breaker.
DramaFree11
09-22-18, 03:03
Unfortunately coming from Spain, you'll be very disappointed. The options in Barcelona and Madrid are endless, and even the Slavic girls you do find in Spain seem to be happier and provide a better service. Sure you'll see beautiful looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available. It an interesting city in other ways, but for pay for play its very hard work, time consuming and ultimately dissatisfying.
Good luck and stick with Russia / Spain.
Kiev will be a major let down, very over-rated. The girls where you are at are way better looking no comparison.
DramaFree11
09-22-18, 03:45
The plot thikens!
Who cares that KEC-GIA actually does show faces for most of the girls? Does it matter that lvov24 online portfolios are even heavier photoshopped than those of their prospective competitor?
Either way I am fine with introducing healthy competition, as long as prices go down across the board, and quality improves starting from truck driver hookers on Kiev outskirts, all the way to scantily clad freshmen students strolling by McDonald's on K in the hope of improving their immediate financial outlook.
Bring those Lvov24 immaculate ladies from Western Ukraine to Kiev for sampling!
Why anyone would use Gia on a regular basis, makes no sense. Instead of bragging they should be embarrassed and ashamed. Complete rip off. $200-250 hour, plus travel cost, is way too much in Kiev, to bang average girls. To be excited that you getting a discount with this agency means you have spent real big money there, that is real embarrassing. Many or these girls could not get jobs in High End Strip Clubs, (In another Country), the are just not that attractive. Max in Kiev should be $150, for multiple sessions or over night.
$200 or more is total rip off, as I have mentioned in several previous posts where you can have beautiful women for much cheaper and longer periods of time. Gia should only be used as a last option, or if you happen to be in Kiev on legit business and you do not have time for a lot of B. S. Many Guys claim, there are all these hot girls running the streets in Kiev, then I ask why is there not another option to Gia and why are they not meeting them on the streets and paying a quarter of the price. The same guys claim Mamba is great, then they are running back to Gia or Rio. Sure the girls show up on time and dress appropriately, but that is about the only good thing.
They claim that there is girls lined up just waiting to work for the agency this is just not true.
With Airbnb and Uber several places that used to be expensive, are only slightly more expensive then Kiev now and girls are much hotter and way more fun. You can get and nice apartment in the Center of Moscow, for $40-55 night, great price. Many other destinations, same prices.
Be smart and make good decision. Go to Kiev, but meet girls on the street, maybe mix in Rio one night or Caribbean Club. By no means I am sawing it is good, I would avoid Kiev at all cost, especially if your are a newbie.
Sorry Gia, is laughing at us and they do not monitor this site, if that was the case I would be banned from Gia. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.
...Sure you'll see beautiful looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available. ....Really? Why not?
I'm up for sharing the legit and good girls we find on Kiev.
https://t.me/joinchat/HNPXAw7tQXsDc-RTFYGsIQ is a channel for sharing information.I am not able to open the chat link.
YerevanBatumi
09-24-18, 06:54
Has any senior members seen this girl? Any reviews on her?
https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/sweet-candy/64974/?source=state_33&filter%5BaLevel%5D=yes&filter%5Btravel%5D%5B0%5D=europe
She wants me to fly her to Batumi, Georgia.
MagicSheep74
09-24-18, 07:31
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Has any senior members seen this girl? Any reviews on her?
https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/sweet-candy/64974/?source=state_33&filter%5BaLevel%5D=yes&filter%5Btravel%5D%5B0%5D=europe
She wants me to fly her to Batumi, Georgia.I not see that. But alarm bells ring imediately. I have bad feelings when I see that website. Reminds me to the Scam in Poland with Odoloty etc. In addition, Georgia is another trigger that rings my bells!
I read the caveat at the end, but once again, I suggest all negotiations should be conducted in UAH! You should not even be thinking in USD or Euros. If the exchange fluctuates, it does not matter; it is not your problem. When in Ukraine, sue the UAH. As many of us have found out, 2000 UAh is plenty to get good quality girls to perform at their best. I you start your bidding at 3000 UAH, you might as well stay home. If you have an unlimited budget, you would not be reading this site.
I completely agree. So here's my advice to average newcomers to Kyiv, who have a limited budget, regarding pricing for semi-pros from Mamba. Start with offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. If you like the girl and want to see her longer, offer $150 to extend to 3-4 hours. If the girl initially had an high opinion of her value and demanded $100 for a single hour and you agreed to that, then she probably won't agree to extend to 4 hours for $150. But you should be able to extend to 2 hours for $150, unless she had prior scheduling commitments. Next visit, try to get her to accept $150 for 3 hours, and eventually you might be able to push her to 4 hours for that amount.
Most semi-pros in Kyiv will be highly tempted by $150 for 4 hours from a repeat client who wasn't unpleasant, unless they are very short of time (university student, young child, full time job, etc). If shortage of time is the problem, maybe try to accommodate her schedule by letting her arrive in work clothes and relax a bit at your hotel or apartment before sex.
I'm aware that not everyone wants that much time, whereas I prefer longer sessions twice a week rather than shorter but more frequent sessions. Fire those newcomers who prefer shorter seasons, advice can be shortened to "offer $100 for an hour of sex"..
Prices are what they are and will remain dynamic changing with supply and demand based on seasons and girls needs, this forum should be more geared to locations of pickup spots and lounges.Well, yes, but one of the things you have to do, prior to any business deal, is get some idea of acceptable price ranges. (Unless your budget is unlimited, on which case you just pay whatever price the other person asks.).
Someone here made a typo about 200 uah / hour rather than 2000 uah / hour, and of course everyone jumped on him and said that was unrealistic. Imagine if he met a nice semi-pro prospect in person, and she liked him and was ready to go ahead with the deal, and then he came out and offered 200 uah / hour. She's more likely to walk off in disgust, unwilling to listen further, than to hang around bargaining him up to 2000. Turkish rug market tactics just don't work well when negotiating for sex, especially with semi-pros. So you need to make a good first offer.
If you want a LTR, which is what I want (and have with my jewel), and you don't have unlimited funds, you need to walk a fine line between offering too little, so that the girl isn't happy, and offering more than you can afford in the long run, so that you are unhappy. If either party is unhappy, price will eventually have to be renegotiated, which is a problem if you need to negotiate down because you can't afford the original rate. No girl likes to feel that she is worth less after the man gets to know her than before, so better to err slightly on the side of underpaying initially, then raise the rate later. "Under promise and over deliver" is usually a good rule in long term business dealings.
Another thing, just because entry level salaries in Kyiv are like 50 uah / hour (under $2/hour) and 250 uah / hour (under $10/hour) is a good salary, rates for sex work operate in a different world. As I reported before, I spent less than $40/ day living in Kyiv this past summer, not counting girls ($25/ day rent, $8/ day food, $7/ day other), so it's not like I'm a big spender. But at the same time, I paid my jewel almost $5000 over the course of the summer (the number I gave previously was wrong, I've since calculated more precisely from notes I kept) and I'll probably pay $6000 over the course of next summer. Summer in Kyiv is my only sex all year, my jewel gives me what I want, I don't want to bother with finding a replacement for her, and $6000/ year is well within my budget, especially since I'm such a cheapskate about everything except girls. (Much of the year I camp out in the mountains and pay nothing for rent and live in bread, peanuts, chocolate and other cheap trail food.) There are many other men throwing money at these girls as well and there'll be more such men in the future as China, India and the Muslim world all become richer and surplus males from those countries travel to Ukraine to see if white girls are really that special. If you can get the girls you want cheaply, go for it, but be aware that you have competition and the prices the competition is willing to pay is ultimately what sets rates, not Ukrainian average starting or mid-level salaries.
Finally, just in case newbies read this message not not older messages, Kyiv is best thought of as a place for older foreign men to get a much younger woman (or harem of younger women) as a non-exclusive paid mistress (meaning she also has sex with local men her own age and perhaps with other foreign men). If you just want one-shot bangs, rather than LTR, Kyiv is probably not a good place, unless you can afford KEC / Gia prices.
They claim that there is girls lined up just waiting to work for the (KEC/Gia) agency this is just not true.What was claimed, by me among others, is that girls working for the hidden agencies (agencies masquerading as independents on mamba and elsewhere) would prefer to be working for KEC / Gia because of better working conditions. The hidden agencies have much cheaper rates, and thus appeal to bargain hunting mongers, many of whom are "difficult" customers: they demand lots of vigorous sex in different positions as quickly as possible to get their money's worth, they don't wash properly or eat too much garlic or smoke or for some other reason smell bad, they are disrespectful to the girls, etc. So the girls at the other agencies would rather work for KEC / Gia, but not all are able to work for KEC / Gia and thus there is a waiting list, was what we claimed.
The fact that there is waiting list does not imply the girls at KEC / Gia are high quality. It merely implies they are better than the girls at the other agencies. Maybe the girls at KEC / Gia are medium quality and the girls at the hidden agencies and in the waiting list are low quality.
Sorry Gia, is laughing at us and they do not monitor this site, if that was the case I would be banned from Gia. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.If Gia is so bad, why are you using them? "would be banned" implies you are currently using them, right? Is there some inside joke I'm missing here?
I read the caveat at the end, but once again, I suggest all negotiations should be conducted in UAH! You should not even be thinking in USD or Euros. If the exchange fluctuates, it does not matter; it is not your problem. When in Ukraine, sue the UAH. As many of us have found out, 2000 UAh is plenty to get good quality girls to perform at their best. I you start your bidding at 3000 UAH, you might as well stay home. If you have an unlimited budget, you would not be reading this site.Of course I negotiate in uah but I'm trying to give guidance that will still be valid a few months after I post. If the uah / usd rate fluctuates and there is local inflation, then all posts in uah terms will be out-of-date and misleading, whereas dollar and euro are stable currencies.
If you are able to get good girls for 2000 uah, by all means report that here so readers can compare with what I wrote and make their own decision as to what they want to offer. I personally would feel uncomfortable offering 2000 uah ($71 now) since I can easily afford 3000 uah ($106 now). Of course, I want 2 hours for that amount, whereas I recall you only care about short sessions, so apples and oranges comparison. Note that I just wrote another post talking about what a cheapskate I am in general, and my funds are definitely not unlimited. However, I prefer to see the same girl 4 hours twice a week, so I can afford to pay a lot those two sessions. Paying well puts a lot of power in my hands, in that she will become addicted to that money and do what it takes to keep me happy. Yes, I know, I'm spoiling the girl. I want her spoiled so that she isn't tempted by other men and I can have her (mostly) to myself.
BTW where is home for you? My official place of residence is a cheap small town in the western United States (though I actually travel most of the year and don't live there much). $106 for two hours with a beautiful well-educated well-mannered girl 35 years younger would be a screaming bargain in that small town, to speak nothing of big cities of the USA.
All this arguing about prices may seem tiresome and a waste of time, but I can assure beginners that nothing could be further from the truth. Kyiv is not well organized for mongering, and so if you don't think out IN ADVANCE exactly what YOU PERSONALLY are going to do as far as prices are concerned, one of two things will happen. Either you get pushed into paying more than you can comfortably afford and then develop a resentment towards Kyiv and write it off entirely like DramaFree11 . Or you miss out on some great prospects because of trying to save an amount of money that is small in the context of your overall trip expenses. Plan your pricing strategy in advance, so that you can focus on more important things when you actually get to Kyiv, like which girls you want.
PhotoSlider
09-28-18, 05:52
If Gia is so bad, why are you using them? "would be banned" implies you are currently using them, right? Is there some inside joke I'm missing here?To take it a step further: Kozerog, your field reports are certainly credible and contain a wealth of valuable info directly from the source instead of theoretical discussions and vanity excercises.
If I am allowed to ask respectfully: when was the last time DramaFree visited Ukraine or used Ukrainian girls perhaps ordered for international travel? Year and a half ago? Longer than that? What makes him an authority on anything besides Tijuana strip brothels on Calle Coahuila, as great as they are? Does praise to Moscow really belong here on Kiev Forum?
1. Ex-GIA girl stays with me for free in Kiev right now. There are the usual living expenses, but nothing compares to having an intelligent beautiful lady 30+ younger than I am for a fifth day in a row, and counting (GIA can laugh all they want). She also works in the office during the day, leaving room for my exploration.
2. Yesterday for 2000 UAH I had one hour with 19 years old student: DFK, DATY, super nice body, even better attitude. Usually I order 2-3 girls a day. Didn't dare to spoil the aftertaste following this sweetie.
3. The day before found a MILF. Looking at her body I couldn't believe she has 19 years old daughter! While ex-GIA girl was asleep, I arranged a 7 hours rendezvous with that MILF this coming Sunday. For free. She is excited, so am I. BBBJ without me even asking for it this Wednesday.
4. Had a tall slim blond at 3 am few days ago. On the first glance she didn't look like much. Boy, was I wrong! She was one of the few that I extended. I was drunk. Without discussing anything verbally we ended up in 69 with her doing tender, skillful and attentive BBBJ. She quickly understood that in my state I couldn't make love any other way, and she relentlessly guided me until CIM. She didn't swallow, she spat on the bedsheet, that my maid washed the next morning. I never had this girl before or after. In the end she had gorgeous happy smile. I didn't discuss those extra options with the agency beforehand (never do, because I can do without, and IMO for DATY girls should pay me), and I certainly didn't pay for extras separately, aside from 2000 UAH hourly fee, that seems like a new standard in Kiev now.
I can continue this list, as I had over 15 girls in 8 days so far. Ordered from my usual consolidation agency, used for pre-filtering instead of mamba. Half of them girls gave me their phone numbers, despite agency explicitly forbidding doing that. Waiting for fresh ones to wake up right now and get delivered to my door.
I will gladly share my info via PM with the following categories of Forum members:
1. Those that have something to offer in exchange.
2. Those who posted meaningful reports.
If you are not one of the above, please do not consider me being a pimp.
Last night Started developing a relationship with Administrator at a nearby restaurant. She is attractive and curious.
For an open minded and well seasoned traveler possibilities are endless in Kiev. Is it cheap and easy? - No. Are there comparable places on our planet? - Yes. Am I happy here right now? Oh, yeah!
I also had a favorite that I was seeing twice a week for 2-3 hours each session. The girl is pretty, a solid 8 on a beauty scale, 25 years old and I really enjoy talking to her. She has a boyfriend but he was abroad when I was there, so I was her lover. I was paying her around 600 $ a month, about 75 $ the session.
Last year I had a 23 years old girl for 4 days and 4 nights for 150 euro. Of course I had to pay the public transport, the food at the restaurant (about 50-70 euro). At the end for all that I spent around 200-220 euro. There were a foreseen tip of 50 euro more if everything was ok. Last Winter she went to China to work as a model. Of course I could have given her 400 euro. 4 days = 400 euro, why not! 100 euro a day! But I decided to start low and she agreed to get down her price and to agree with my price and my tip. I could even give her 1000 euro, why not. Or 5000 euro. But Ukraine is one the poorest country in Europe and 150 euro for a girl coming from Nikolaev, it's a month salary. We must be realistic. Win-win is the solution. For her 150 euro + 50 euro, that was still a good deal. Unfortunately if nobody bargains and just agree with the price said by the girls, we will end up paying 3000 UAH for 1 hour.
That's strange to notice that basic erotic massages are around 500-800 UAH for 1 hour. But for sex we pay more than the double. If you look at the prices for erotic massage and sex in Western Europe, the difference is not that big. Around 50-60 euro for an erotic massage in Berlin for 20-30 minutes. Oh surprise, that's the same for sex.
I don't understand why some guys are so negative about Kiev.
I am here now and having a great time. Some people say Kiev may not easy for newbies but I always had fun here, even my first time.
I use a reliable agent. Go to apartments during day, keep a friend ot two from past trips and mix it up with night clubs and just watching eye candy all day. Wow. What a collection of stylish beauties on the street. Only Belgrade has more beauties in one square mile than Kiev. (I have not been to Moscow. Other than that I have covered all major mongering destinations in the world).
Asana and Linda on the first night from an apartment. Solid 8's. Both have Blonde wavy silky hair to die for. Flawless skin and flat abs. Asana is more feminine with see cups but Linda is leaner and taller with A cups.
Next day spent time with a friend who I met last time. She looked amazing. Glad she is still not attached.
Had an agent send a girl. They send body shots and if you approve the girl comes in taxi. If you like her, you keep her. I not pay 200 for the trouble and taxi and she will leave. No questions asked. Agent sent Juliana. She is very pretty. Bit saggy tits but a tight body. 25. She was so good in bed, I saw her twice.
Tanya, Emma, Ilona from apartments are beautiful. I saw Tanya twice.
Darling night club had some hot ones. Kim, Margo and one other tall (tattoo on right thigh) dirty blonde were very nice.
I can go on but you get the picture.
Reposting because, by mistake, I uploaded the draft with errors and typos I don't understand why some guys are so negative about Kiev.
I am here now and having a great time. Some people say Kiev may not be easy for newbies but I always had fun here. Even my first time as a newbie. First time I spent more money using GIA and Rio but this time I did not but would not hesitate to Rio. I am not a GIA fan.
The trick is that I use a reliable agent. I go to apartments with him during the day and evenings, I have couple of contacts for I keep a friend or two from past trips and mix it up with night clubs and just watching eye candy all day at a cafe. This trip is more fun because I have couple of cool friends sharing an Airbnb. Wow. Cool city centre, good to great food that is reasonably priced, decent ethnic options, slow but friendly service. Chic cafes and most importantly, what a collection of stylish beauties on the street with near perfect posture and gait? IMHO Only Belgrade has more stylish beauties in one square mile than Kiev. (I have not been to Moscow). Other than that I have covered all major mongering destinations in the world and Kiev beats them all for my eyes.
I saw Asana and Linda on the first night from an apartment. Solid 8's. Both are tall and have blonde wavy silky hair to die for. Flawless skin and flat abs. Asana is more feminine with see cups but Linda is leaner and even taller with A cups and small round ass.
Next day spent time with a friend who I met last time. She looked amazing. Glad she is still not attached.
Had a Whatsapp agent send a girl. These are mamasans that run the apartments. They send body shots only. No face. Don't try. They won't. If you approve, then the girl comes in taxi. If you like her, you pay her in the taxi and you keep her. If not, pay 200 for the trouble and taxi and she will leave. No questions asked. Agent sent Juliana. She is very pretty smile with beautiful green eyes. Bit saggy tits but a lean tight body. 25. She was so good in bed, I saw her twice.
Tanya, Emma, Ilona from apartments are beautiful. I saw Tanya twice. Buddy saw Nastia, petite spinner blonde who rocked it for him.
Darling night club had some hot ones. Kim with blonde pony tail, Margo petite spinner and one other tall (tattoo on right thigh) dirty blonde were very nice.
Key points to remember 1) Clock watching is expected. 2) BBJ is hard to get but not impossible. Some won't do it no matter, some do it for extra money and some do it if she knows you.
I can go on and on but you get the picture. Kiev is alive and well.
Have fun and be safe.
1. Ex-GIA girl stays with me for free in Kiev right now. There are the usual living expenses, but nothing compares to having an intelligent beautiful lady 30+ younger than I am for a fifth day in a row, and counting (GIA can laugh all they want). She also works in the office during the day, leaving room for my exploration.
2. Yesterday for 2000 UAH I had one hour with 19 years old student: DFK, DATY, super nice body, even better attitude. Usually I order 2-3 girls a day. Didn't dare to spoil the aftertaste following this sweetie.
3. The day before found a MILF. Looking at her body I couldn't believe she has 19 years old daughter! While ex-GIA girl was asleep, I arranged a 7 hours rendezvous with that MILF this coming Sunday. For free. She is excited, so am I. BBBJ without me even asking for it this Wednesday.
4. Had a tall slim blond at 3 am few days ago. On the first glance she didn't look like much. Boy, was I wrong! She was one of the few that I extended. I was drunk. Without discussing anything verbally we ended up in 69 with her doing tender, skillful and attentive BBBJ. She quickly understood that in my state I couldn't make love any other way, and she relentlessly guided me until CIM. She didn't swallow, she spat on the bedsheet, that my maid washed the next morning. I never had this girl before or after. In the end she had gorgeous happy smile. I didn't discuss those extra options with the agency beforehand (never do, because I can do without, and IMO for DATY girls should pay me), and I certainly didn't pay for extras separately, aside from 2000 UAH hourly fee, that seems like a new standard in Kiev now.
I can continue this list, as I had over 15 girls in 8 days so far. Ordered from my usual consolidation agency, used for pre-filtering instead of mamba. Half of them girls gave me their phone numbers, despite agency explicitly forbidding doing that. Waiting for fresh ones to wake up right now and get delivered to my door.
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For an open minded and well seasoned traveler possibilities are endless in Kiev. Is it cheap and easy? - No. Are there comparable places on our planet? - Yes. Am I happy here right now? Oh, yeah!My experience so far is very very similar. This is my mongering style also.
Hourly has a range. 1800 to 2500. plus 200 for taxi.
One of the girls I saw twice is 18 yr old and looks like Monica Bellucci. True stunner.
One apartment girl came to see me for free three afternoons in a row and stayed overnight one night. That night we had sex for over 2 hours. Life is good in Kiev.
Coming to Kiev in the second week of October for 3-4 days and will be staying at Hotel Ukraine, planning to call a chick have a session with her when she arrives, take her out for a nice evening drinks and dinner and then have another session followed by one in the morning. Atleast 2 for sure. Monger friends please advise if I should hunt them on the streets of Khreschatyk or other places or call in Mamba or escort services. Whatever it is I do not plan to sleep alone at night.
Cheers.
PhotoSlider
09-30-18, 14:03
My experience so far is very very similar. This is my mongering style also.
Hourly has a range. 1800 to 2500. plus 200 for taxi.
One of the girls I saw twice is 18 yr old and looks like Monica Bellucci. True stunner.
One apartment girl came to see me for free three afternoons in a row and stayed overnight one night. That night we had sex for over 2 hours. Life is good in Kiev.I refuse to pay 200 taxi fee. 100 is good with 2000 girls.
Had 24 girls so far in 15 days. Had 3 days down sick with strep. Probably DFK or DATY.
Am healthy now.
3 girls were terrible:
1. From war torn Donetsk area. Visibly traumatized. Complained all the time. After she yelled irritated "It hurts! I pulled out my dick and told her literally "Get the fuck out now! Another one will be here instead of you in 30 minutes. " Lost 70 USD. Gambling money.
2. Two girls arrived for me and my friend. Paid them 2 K per. Right there in the street one started playing mama-san:
- Do you, guys, know the rules?
- ? Please remind us!
- No kissing. No touching private parts.
My friend and I looked at each other, and asked:
- What do you think?
- They can go to hell!
Got our money back, short of 100 UAH taxi fee.
3. This morning two girls arrived, very nervous newbies. Confidence and shame problems. Were rude. I turned and walked away. They yelled:
- Money for taxi!
Didn't honor them with response.
3 out of 24 - IMO not a bad ratio.
I have an unfair advantage though: this agency knows me. I speak fluent Russian and decent Ukrainian.
Warning: I do not have girls numbers to give away. I can explain my approach over Viber voice call. Cheers! Sorry, it gets very busy in Kiev.
PhotoSlider
09-30-18, 14:04
Coming to Kiev in the second week of October for 3-4 days and will be staying at Hotel Ukraine, planning to call a chick have a session with her when she arrives, take her out for a nice evening drinks and dinner and then have another session followed by one in the morning. Atleast 2 for sure. Monger friends please advise if I should hunt them on the streets of Khreschatyk or other places or call in Mamba or escort services. Whatever it is I do not plan to sleep alone at night.
Cheers.3-4 days? If you have money. Go for escort. Vc.
I don't understand why some guys are so negative about Kiev.
I am here now and having a great time. Some people say Kiev may not be easy for newbies but I always had fun here. Even my first time as a newbie. First time I spent more money using GIA and Rio but this time I did not but would not hesitate to Rio. I am not a GIA fan.
The trick is that I use a reliable agent. I go to apartments with him during the day and evenings, I have couple of contacts for I keep a friend or two from past trips and mix it up with night clubs and just watching eye candy all day at a cafe. This trip is more fun because I have couple of cool friends sharing an Airbnb. Wow. Cool city centre, good to great food that is reasonably priced, decent ethnic options, slow but friendly service. Chic cafes and most importantly, what a collection of stylish beauties on the street with near perfect posture and gait? IMHO Only Belgrade has more stylish beauties in one square mile than Kiev. (I have not been to Moscow). Other than that I have covered all major mongering destinations in the world and Kiev beats them all for my eyes..It sounds like you are having a good time. Which agencies did you contact for Tanya, Emma, Ilona?
Thanks Photoslider, I have contacted a few chick and they are all asking me 175-300. All of them are 7 and 7 plus.
Will come in the evening and go back next day morning after BF. Atleast 2 sessions each. Do you think this is a good plan, also what's is the disease scenario in Kiev, I mean sexual viruses, infections.
BBBJ a good idea. Of course sex with condom only.
3-4 days? If you have money. Go for escort. Vc.
I will be in Kiev starting tomorrow. I have been messaging with tons of girls on mamba (only ones with more than 3-4 pics) and got a few numbers. Most seem quite unfriendly though. Are there any alternatives to mamba or escort websites?
My goal would be to have at least 2-3 girls during my stay (1 week) what venues are famous for picking up local hotties?
I will be in Kiev starting tomorrow. I have been messaging with tons of girls on mamba (only ones with more than 3-4 pics) and got a few numbers. Most seem quite unfriendly though. Are there any alternatives to mamba or escort websites?
My goal would be to have at least 2-3 girls during my stay (1 week) what venues are famous for picking up local hotties?Go to street and talk there! Why you need prostitutes writing before?
DramaFree11
10-01-18, 23:20
Argo1990.
I will be in Kiev starting tomorrow. I have been messaging with tons of girls on mamba (only ones with more than 3-4 pics) and got a few numbers. Most seem quite unfriendly though. Are there any alternatives to mamba or escort websites?
My goal would be to have at least 2-3 girls during my stay (1 week) what venues are famous for picking up local hotties?
Unfortunately, you are dealing with the reality of Kiev. Most of the guys leave out a lot of information about Kiev. I would not spend a lot of time at the Night Clubs, waste of resources and time. Guys are correct about the Street came and paying.
DramaFree11
10-02-18, 03:01
Thanks Photoslider, I have contacted a few chick and they are all asking me 175-300. All of them are 7 and 7 plus.
7 and 7 plus in Kiev, highly unlikely, 6 if you are lucky. Try to deal in reality.
Photoslider mentions 2000 uah / hour as current Kyiv standard price. But those are mostly agency girls and the agency takes 50%. So girl only nets 1000 uah / hour. So 1000 uah / hour is presumably current standard price for quality independents and experienced semi-pros, with no agency, pimp, strip bar or other middleman involved, especially for longer sessions.
1000 uah / hour is what I paid my jewel this past summer, for meetings of 4 hours each, or 4000 uah / meeting, 2 meetings / week, 13 weeks. (I also paid her a big bonus at our last meeting, but I never discussed that beforehand and it was not part of our arrangement.) If I had to replace my jewel, I would offer 1000 uah / hour for meetings lasting 3 hours, thus 3000 uah / meeting, thus giving me room to raise to 4000 yah later. Under promise, over deliver. This offer would only be for semi-pros who I had met for coffee in advance, so no possible disappointment regarding looks or personality. I'm finished dealing with agency girls.
If you compare price levels for rents or salaries between Kyiv and western Europe or the USA, then use those comparisons to adjust prices for sex, result is about 500 uah / hour, which is indeed what locals pay for incall with women who only speak Russian / Ukrainian. Read, for example, http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1.
Problem with preceding comparison is that uah is currently excessively depressed relative to usd and euro. For items produced locally but not exported, like dental services, depressed uah allows foreigners to get bargain prices in usd terms. For items produced locally but completely open to international trade, like bulk sunflower seeds, depressed uah has no effect and so no bargains in usd terms. Locally produced sex work girls are somewhere in-between. They are open to international trade, since they can export themselves to Western Europe, but exporting is not friction-free as with bulk sunflower seeds. That is, pretty young girls know that they can make much more than 500 uah / hour in Western Europe, however moving to Western Europe involves expense and effort and is not even an option for semi-pros with a day job. Girls also know that most sex tourists are offering considerably more than 500 uah / hour (sex tourism is international trade with consumers shipping themselves to product, versus product shipped to consumers). Thus average sex tourists offering 500 uah / hour, even as part of a larger deal (multiple hours / meeting, etc), are likely to face resistance, unless one of the following criteria applies (trip reports citing 1000 uah for overnight usually have one of the following criteria applicable):
* Girl has strong attraction to man, especially if handsome young man with good social skills who girl can imagine marrying.
* Girl very inexperienced, so thinks of sex work as easy money. It takes a while for beginner semi-pros to realize that 1000 uah every few weeks doesn't amount to much on an annualized basis and to start investigating what other sex work girls are being paid.
* Girl not in high demand for whatever reason (age, looks, limited services offered).
* Man speaks Russian (or Ukrainian) and girl does not speak English. (Variation on girl not in high demand.).
* Trip report from outside Kyiv (Nikolaiv, etc). (Another variation on girl not in high demand.).
* Relationship really is long-term, with man living permanently in Kyiv or visiting frequently.
Some ads on http://massazhka.com/kiev/ischu-sponsora show prices offered by Ukrainian men wanting to sponsor girls. Fo example, http://massazhka.com/kiev/ad/sponsor-dlya-skromnoj-15-000-grn/ is a legit sounding ad offering 15000 uah / month for 10 meetings of unspecified time length on weekdays afternoons, thus 1500 uah / meeting. This is by a married man aged 35. Another legit sounding ad is by a young man seeking an experienced woman to teach him sexually, 2000 uah / meeting unspecified length of time. Many ads on this site appear to be wankers offering ridiculous sums and wanting the girl to send nude photos and description of what she will so in bed, prior to any meeting or payment.
BTW if you want to make an agency girl laugh, scroll to the bottom of http://massazhka.com/kiev/eskort and have the girl read the description of what escorting supposedly entails, such as riding around in limousines, eating at expensive restaurants, etc.
They are open to international trade, since they can export themselves to Western Europe, but exporting is not friction-free as with bulk sunflower seeds. That is, pretty young girls know that they can make much more than 500 uah / hour in Western EuropeIn addition, they know that there are so many desperate Westerners who pay almost every price. Looooool!
First of all, I am sad about the negativity in this forum. My experience was positive.
Have been in Kiev for little more than a week and then met with my contact Agata (which was not her real name). She came to my apartment the same day I landed and she has been one of best gifts one could ask in my bed. Our communication was not very fluent, but she dropped her guards completely due to our experience in my last trip. I gave her 5000 UAH the first day after which she insisted not to talk about money. I obliged. She said she just want to have fun. She even brought some nice green stuff the third day and boy, that day we had real wild sex. She was standing in the balcony naked and then there were some old couple hanging out there and she did not even care. I did not stop her in anything as I love to see her enjoy her freedom. I needed a day off for myself, so I told her that I was busy the fourth day, In spite of her reluctance to take money.
Fourth day, I took my kindle with me and sat on the benches of Khreshchatyk street, with half of my mind reading and the half enjoying the beauty of woman walking around. At this point I had no intention to talk to anyone, as I was completely drained out with sex and needed my time. When the balls are empty, I guess a man purely can think of something else than sex: the.
After spending few quality hours reading, I decided to have a drink and there were few people drinking just few meters from me. I thought I will give it a try and found that it is some famous 1 euro drink bar where everything in the menu is for 1 euro. Sorry forgot the name of that place, but I guess you guys will know for sure what I am talking about. There I met this girl Zara, who was standing pretty close to me and to my surprise, she started the conversation by asking about my whereabouts and what I was doing in Kiev. After about an hour of talking, we went to some grill restaurant where we ordered some food and hookah. She spent the night with me and then I learned she was really a student as she claimed before. She stayed with me for two days and came to where ever I went and ate whatever I chose. She was pretty down to earth girl, without a single gram of ego and fun hearted, very smart girl. She was very young and energetic, and I was not so young, so at this time I had to take a pill of Viagra to keep up. She did not take any money from me (even though I insisted) but she made me promise that I will have similar adventure next time I come to Kiev. How can I say no to that.
Then Agata came back to me with a little different attitude and asking me if I was with another woman. I told her of course not (this part scared me a bit, as I was not prepared for this situation). I told her that I was busy those days and told her that I cannot meet her for next few days.
The day before I left, I took the advise of photoslider and called the agency he suggested me (please don't hassle him by flooding is inbox). I called Mika which was one of his choices and she was pretty decent in her services and looks. I think Agata and Zara has spoiled the standards for me so I am now confused as to what to rate Mika, maybe a 7 as she put some restrictions on what I can do and what I cannot. Agata and Zara had no limits.
Overall, I do not understand the negativity in this forum. There are girls out there who just want to have fun. I have no clue what I did right or what some other did wrong. I am not doing that kind of discussion again in this forum. My duty was to give my report to the forum, which I did now. Enjoy guys and stay safe.
DramaFree11
10-04-18, 01:18
In addition, they know that there are so many desperate Westerners who pay almost every price.
Agree, just one question, are Blow Jobs not included now?
First of all, I am sad about the negativity in this forum. My experience was positive.I think some of the negativity comes from lack of understanding of how things work in Kyiv plus lack of advance preparation for those using mamba. I know I had difficulties my first few years in Ukraine. Lack of understanding of pricing was one cause of my problems, which is why I'm making all these posts on that subject. I actually may have lost some excellent semi-pro prospects my first few years because I was offering too much money, not too little. I was still thinking of USA prices, and girls probably thought I was a big talking wanker who didn't actually plan to pay anything.
As I suggested in my last post, standard per hour price for quality escorts, not counting middleman fees, is 1000 uah for longer sessions. But then you need to add an upfront outcall fee of maybe 1000 uah for short sessions. Thus one hour sessions would be 2000 uah total, two hours 2500 uah, three hours 3000 uah, or something like that.
Those prices are for the girl. If a middleman (agency, pimp, strip bar, etc) is involved, then add their fee. Hidden agencies (agencies masquerading as independents on mamba and elsewhere) take 50%. So expect to pay double the above rates for agency girls.
Photoslider mentioned that he was paying 2000 uah total for agency girls, so no outcall fee, and my own experience in summer of 2017 was similar, 1700 uah for first as well as subsequent hours. Lack of outcall fee (outcall fee means first hour more expensive than subsequent hours) implies hidden agency girls are being worked hard: one client after another with little downtime in between. Not surprising that these girls often have a bad attitude and there is high employee turnover at these hidden agencies. Photoslider's 3 bad apples out of 20 total is better than most clients can expect. As Photoslider mentioned, he has advantages that other clients lack: long-time repeat customer at his preferred agency, speaks fluent Russian, much experience with the Kyiv mongering scene, apparently more sexually attractive to girls than average client. Many clients may only get 50% success rate, and of course this is an average. Quite possible for an unlucky newbie to get 5 bad girls in a row. No wonder some guys become so negative.
KEC / Gia agency is the only openly operating agency, but because they are operating openly, payoffs to police are higher, and agency cut is 60% rather than 50%. KEC / Gia incorporates an outcall fee in their pricing structure, which reduces need to work girls so hard. Supposedly, KEC / Gia girls see at most one client per day. Some girls are priced higher than others, but lets take Alina, who is priced on the Russian version of the site at 5000,7000, 9000 and 10000 uah for 1, 2, 3, and 4 hours respectively. Multiplying by 40% gives what the girl nets: 2000,2800, 3600,4000 uah. These numbers are not far from those I listed earlier for prices you can expect to pay for high quality outcall independents. Note that 4000 uah for 4 hours is also what I paid my jewel this past summer.
Two conclusions. First, getting rid of middlemen is key to lower prices. But getting rid of middlemen requires time. Agencies exist for a reason. Guys want to come to Kyiv for 3 days and have sex with a different girl every morning and evening, and most guys can't arrange that without an agency. Some guys might be successful using mamba semi-pros for rushed sex tours like this, but certainly not average guys. Most guys require a much more leisurely schedule to get success with true semi-pros.
Second, if you must use an agency, and you lack Photoslider's advantages, you might as well use KEC / Gia. Because if your success ratio is only 50%, versus Photoslider's 85% (17 out of 20), then 2000 uah for one hour with hidden agencies actually ends up costing twice that on average per good experience (and I'm not even factoring in the stress of the bad experiences). So that's 4000 uah on average per one hour meeting versus 5000 at KEC / Gia. If you usually extend good sessions to 3 hours, then each good session costs 2000 * 4 = 8000 uah at hidden agencies (3 good hours at 2000 plus average of one bad per good experience) versus 9000 at KEC / Gia. Then factor in that KEC / Gia girls are almost certainly better quality on average than girls at hidden agencies, and it just doesn't make sense for newbies to bother with hidden agencies.
I've never used KEC / Gia myself, but I did use hidden agencies in summer 2017 and I experienced their disadvantages first hand. It's clear to me that KEC / Gia fixes many of those disadvantages. So I were forced to use an agency in the future, I would use KEC / Gia. However, if at all possible, I would try to avoid agencies and other middlemen entirely. 20000 uah (two 4 hour sessions) weekly for 13 weeks = 260000 uah, or over 9000 usd. That's more than I want to spend, plus it would bother me that 60% of that money would be going to middlemen rather than the girl.
If I were the type of guy who liked lots of variety rather than the same girl over and over, I would definitely use KEC / Gia. I am confident that, if ever necessary, I could eventually replace my current jewel with another quality independent / semi-pro for long-term mistress relationship, but I am equally confident that I could not easily and quickly find quality independents / semi-pros for one-shot deals.
...I decided to have a drink and there were few people drinking just few meters from me. I thought I will give it a try and found that it is some famous 1 euro drink bar where everything in the menu is for 1 euro. Sorry forgot the name of that place, but I guess you guys will know for sure what I am talking about. ...Does anyone know about this bar? What is the name and where is it? It sounds interesting. I know one Euro bars from Poland only.
Brother monger,
I am serious, getting tons of them at 7 plus for $$$200-250 a day.
It seems Ukraine is full of beautiful girls and most of them rely on their body to get them food. Things are changing.
Thanks Photoslider, I have contacted a few chick and they are all asking me 175-300. All of them are 7 and 7 plus.
7 and 7 plus in Kiev, highly unlikely, 6 if you are lucky. Try to deal in reality.
PhotoSlider
10-06-18, 04:29
Have a short message that I cannot send you.
It sounds like you are having a good time. Which agencies did you contact for Tanya, Emma, Ilona?Agencies don't have names. Even when the touts on the street give you "visiting cards" they just have phone numbers on them with no names.
I refuse to pay 200 taxi fee. 100 is good with 2000 girls.
Taxi fee is likely to be 100 during the day and 200 at night. I am sure you can negotiate and if you know them well and they know that you are a good customer they will agree to 100 at all times. But for a newbie, who is my target audience here, they will ask 200. I personally do not worry about 3 vs 6 euros.
DramaFree11
10-07-18, 04:10
Agree, fighting with girls or a couple of dollars or few Euros is very bad advice. Pick you battles, there are many in dealing Kiev girls, just not worth it.
DramaFree11
10-07-18, 04:13
I refuse to pay 200 taxi fee. 100 is good with 2000 girls.
Had 24 girls so far in 15 days. Had 3 days down sick with strep. Probably DFK or DATY.
Am healthy now.
3 girls were terrible:
1. From war torn Donetsk area. Visibly traumatized. Complained all the time. After she yelled irritated "It hurts! I pulled out my dick and told her literally "Get the fuck out now! Another one will be here instead of you in 30 minutes. " Lost 70 USD. Gambling money.
2. Two girls arrived for me and my friend. Paid them 2 K per. Right there in the street one started playing mama-san:
- Do you, guys, know the rules?
- ? Please remind us!
- No kissing. No touching private parts.
My friend and I looked at each other, and asked:
- What do you think?
- They can go to hell!
Got our money back, short of 100 UAH taxi fee.
3. This morning two girls arrived, very nervous newbies. Confidence and shame problems. Were rude. I turned and walked away. They yelled:
- Money for taxi!
Didn't honor them with response.
3 out of 24 - IMO not a bad ratio.
I have an unfair advantage though: this agency knows me. I speak fluent Russian and decent Ukrainian.
Warning: I do not have girls numbers to give away. I can explain my approach over Viber voice call. Cheers! Sorry, it gets very busy in Kiev.
Wow, P. Slider, I totally agree with your post. Welcome to the real Ukraine.
Nice Report.
Agencies don't have names. Even when the touts on the street give you "visiting cards" they just have phone numbers on them with no names.I would think, if you google their number, it will show up on some kind of an escort site where you can post a link. No agency could exist without some form of internet marketing.
I would think, if you google their number, it will show up on some kind of an escort site where you can post a link. No agency could exist without some form of internet marketing.I wish we had some links to these secret agencies with no names.
I wish we had some links to these secret agencies with no names.What about that "intim-house" website? Some guy here wrote about them. They promote some salons and escort service. Saw their adds everywhere on the web.
Does nobody know them? How's the service?
What about that "intim-house" website? Some guy here wrote about them. They promote some salons and escort service. Saw their adds everywhere on the web.
Does nobody know them? How's the service?http://relaxkiev.com/eng/
I think RelaxKiev is the biggest source of undercover agencies. We need some members to report links to specific numbers where the booker is making an reasonable attempt to vet girls.
Two conclusions. First, getting rid of middlemen is key to lower prices. But getting rid of middlemen requires time. Agencies exist for a reason. Guys want to come to Kyiv for 3 days and have sex with a different girl every morning and evening, and most guys can't arrange that without an agency. Some guys might be successful using mamba semi-pros for rushed sex tours like this, but certainly not average guys. Most guys require a much more leisurely schedule to get success with true semi-pros.I'm a big believer of cutting out the middle man. But when it comes to prostitutes, it's extremely inefficient to chase after individual girls.
I'm heading to Kiev this week for the first time. I've seen old information on other sites about many bars and clubs being full of working girls. Is this still the case, everyone here just seems to talk about getting girls online.
If so which bars are good to visit.
I've also seen some older posts here about girls looking for guys at McDonald's in Kiev. Presumably there are a number of McDonald's in Kiev, anyone have any information on which one it is and if it's still worthwhile?
I know it's easier ordering a girl online from an agency but I actually find it more enjoyable to go out and find prostitutes / escorts.
Thanks in advance.
DramaFree11
10-10-18, 23:01
Mcdounald's, is an option, but low end. Night Life is terrible, way over-rated. Fridays OK, but that is the only night that is decent. Caribbean club is option, also very average at best.
I'm heading to Kiev this week for the first time. I've seen old information on other sites about many bars and clubs being full of working girls. Is this still the case, everyone here just seems to talk about getting girls online.
If so which bars are good to visit.
I've also seen some older posts here about girls looking for guys at McDonald's in Kiev. Presumably there are a number of McDonald's in Kiev, anyone have any information on which one it is and if it's still worthwhile?
I know it's easier ordering a girl online from an agency but I actually find it more enjoyable to go out and find prostitutes / escorts.
Thanks in advance.
DramaFree11
10-11-18, 04:22
Let's think about this logically if you were a girl would you hang out at McDonald's, looking for Dudes. Think about it.
I'm heading to Kiev this week for the first time. I've seen old information on other sites about many bars and clubs being full of working girls. .....
I know it's easier ordering a girl online from an agency but I actually find it more enjoyable to go out and find prostitutes / escorts.... Thanks in advance.I would say, the clubs and bars in the centre have working girls, but they are jaded, worn out and probably will try to scam you. Caribbean, Arena, Buddha, Shooters, Forsage. But it can be easier for younger guys. A topic not so much discussed here, age makes a big difference. Also on the streets (Kreshatik), but allow me to remind us of the terrible fact that Ukraine has one of the highest rate of STD in countries with reliable statistic.
Also on the streets (Kreshatik), but allow me to remind us of the terrible fact that Ukraine has one of the highest rate of STD in countries with reliable statistic.http://kievescort.club/escorts
Use a rubber and you'll be fine. If the action gets real hot, change your condom often between positions. Don't meet girls over 25, they're loaded with all kinds of risk.
If you really want to reduce risk, just use Kiev Escort Club. The girls are vetted. I've been mongering for ten years and never a problem.
Let's think about this logically if you were a girl would you hang out at McDonald's, looking for Dudes. Think about it.I can confirm your logic. I've been to the K McDonalds at least 100 times and never witnessed a working girl. However, the square out front is the very best place to approach girls for chat. The Metro is there and the girls will often wait for friends outside.
Tip: When you approach a girl, just assume she's a civilian and absolutely do not ever reference and pay for play. If a girl is interested in fun, it will bubble to the top quickly.
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I've also seen some older posts here about girls looking for guys at McDonald's in Kiev. Presumably there are a number of McDonald's in Kiev, anyone have any information on which one it is and if it's still worthwhile?
If you like to stroll, the perimeters are pretty narrow: there is a McDonald's on Maidan Square, and the other end of the zone is at Bessarabskaja Square, between is Krezhatik Street. If you walk slowly between those two points, you will see countless beautiful girls and women, none of them are professionals, but some of them will be willing to start a conversation. And from there many things can happen. Like in every other city, but with a lot more prospect imo.
UrbanCowboy22
10-11-18, 18:08
I assume they must be talking about the McDonalds on Khreschatyk street next to the metro entrance. I have been in this place hundreds of times, never have been approached once, never had any girl other than an employee give me any sort of look. I'm sure if you want to approach students and attempt to get numbers, perhaps it's possible but it's certainly not a prime pickup spot in my opinion. The metro entrance and exit next door is a high foot traffic area and you may have a good chance to attempt to meet women and get numbers but I've never just been randomly approached by anyone other than street beggars looking for money.
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I've also seen some older posts here about girls looking for guys at McDonald's in Kiev. Presumably there are a number of McDonald's in Kiev, anyone have any information on which one it is and if it's still worthwhile?
If you like to stroll, the perimeters are pretty narrow: there is a McDonald's on Maidan Square, and the other end of the zone is at Bessarabskaja Square, between is Krezhatik Street. If you walk slowly between those two points, you will see countless beautiful girls and women, none of them are professionals, but some of them will be willing to start a conversation. And from there many things can happen. Like in every other city, but with a lot more prospect imo.
UrbanCowboy22
10-11-18, 18:13
Depends on the girl I guess. 😂 Most extremely beautiful women in Kiev looking for men with money are surely.
Not waiting around at McDonalds. Those women can be found at Safe, Avalon, and Buddha Bar.
Let's think about this logically if you were a girl would you hang out at McDonald's, looking for Dudes. Think about it.
Let's think about this logically if you were a girl would you hang out at McDonald's, looking for Dudes. Think about it.Everyone jumps on DramaFree11 for being negative, but as the above quote shows, he clearly has some sense and balances other people's excessive optimism.
I have some social activities that put me contact with young women who might be semi pro prospects if I ever have to replace my current jewel, but I will never ever share the nature of those activities with anyone, so please don't ask. Anyway, you'd really need to stay in Kyiv for weeks or months at a time and speak intermediate Russian to have advantage of them. But I will share one idea that might be useful.
If you are American or Australian or want to pretend to be either, then get yourself a Stetson or Akubra wide brim "cowboy" hat and maybe some fancy cowboy boots and walk around one of the surburban districts, like Obolon or Pozniaki. You will get tremendous attention. I know because I wear an Akubra hat myself in cold weather, and my first visit to Kyiv was in early spring. To weed out middle aged women, just stick to English only (assuming you also speak Russian, which most guys here don't, of course). It's then up to you to convert initial interest in you as a foreigner into a relationship with a semi-pro. It might help to have your apartment near where you intend to hunt for prospects.
You won't get "extremely beautiful" women this way but you will get attention from extremely young women, who are also pretty and friendly. 19yo and pretty and friendly is better than 25yo and extremely beautiful but not very friendly, for many men.
Thanks for the responses, I think I'll try a couple of the bars / clubs mentioned. I've just booked a girl from relaxkiev too but it's fun to go out in the evening and see what's there.
Re McDonalds I was just referring to information I saw online. I think it was in this forum mentioning semi pro girls hanging out on the McDonald's on K looking for foreign guys. Had no idea where that was and I've never been in Kiev before. Thanks for saving me the time of going there.
DramaFree11
10-11-18, 21:14
I would not waste too much time on the Night Clubs, but here my list.
1. Buddha Bar.
A. Love the place music and atmosphere amazing.
B. Local Girls can not afford this place.
C. When I was living there they were paying girls to go, plus commission, not sure about this now. Again the so called experts of.
Kiev leave these details out.
The. Guy Girl Ratio.
- normally 5 Guys to every girl.
- I have seen as high as 15-1 on weekend.
E. Working girls start off at between $200-300, not very good looking most of the time, average end of the night cheaper.
2. Famous cool place, some single girls on the weekend, but looks big, but not that.
3. The Bar, good place very small.
4. Safe too expensive, local girls can not afford.
5. see. Club best option, but very average.
A. not sure why you would want to fly across the world to listen to bad music, have terrible service and deal with Sex Tourists,(P. C.).
6. Shooters I would rather kill myself then go there. There was a time it was good, but that is over 5 years ago.
7. Avalon OK, some night, you need to have very low expectations. I read it was closed, but not sure.
There are some new clubs, but again, you will end of paying for girls one way or another, chance to pulling Freebies slim to none. The Girl-Ratio is just too bad now days. Sorry, the internet lies.
CuriousGmo
10-11-18, 22:47
I am going to be in Kiev in about a week or so for about 4 nights and was wondering how difficult it is to get girls into this hotel. Also, this is my first time mongering and appreciate all the posts and information. To that end, how far in advance do you need to call / book a girl? I am thinking about making an appointment when I arrive at the airport. Any and all advice you more experienced mongers can give me would be greatly appreciated.
then get yourself a Stetson or Akubra wide brim "cowboy" hat and maybe some fancy cowboy boots and walk around one of the surburban districts, like Obolon or Pozniaki. You will get tremendous attentionIf you walk that way in a suburban district, you will have tremendous attention even in Italy. But that's not always a good thing here. :)
George 6969
10-12-18, 19:38
I am coming to the Ukraine since many years and still thinking of the good old River Palace Times and even earlier the good old 111 in Hotel Lybid. Ever since my mongering experiences in Kiev had been bad. I tried Avalon, now closed, Shooters, bad experiences, Skybar, normally empty and Buddha Bar, empty or overpriced. I even had been to Rio.
I try to avoid booking through the Web and now will go back to Kiev more often.
Maybe some fellows can provide me with some updated information.
Is there a new Club / Bar which is new and woks solidly and is maybe not crowded but not empty.
Which Internet Ladies can be recommended by you, I like MILF types of Lady, english speaking, ideally A level service, but this is not a necessity.
Thank you in advance.
Depends on the girl I guess. 😂 Most extremely beautiful women in Kiev looking for men with money are surely.
Not waiting around at McDonalds. Those women can be found at Safe, Avalon, and Buddha Bar.Partly agree. But the working girls in the bars / clubs you mentioned are more expensive!
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I've also seen some older posts here about girls looking for guys at McDonald's in Kiev. Presumably there are a number of McDonald's in Kiev, anyone have any information on which one it is and if it's still worthwhile?
If you like to stroll, the perimeters are pretty narrow: there is a McDonald's on Maidan Square, and the other end of the zone is at Bessarabskaja Square, between is Krezhatik Street. If you walk slowly between those two points, you will see countless beautiful girls and women, none of them are professionals, but some of them will be willing to start a conversation. And from there many things can happen. Like in every other city, but with a lot more prospect imo.Kreshiatik Street is the absolutely worst place to find girls.
I am going to be in Kiev in about a week or so for about 4 nights and was wondering how difficult it is to get girls into this hotel. Also, this is my first time mongering and appreciate all the posts and information. To that end, how far in advance do you need to call / book a girl? I am thinking about making an appointment when I arrive at the airport. Any and all advice you more experienced mongers can give me would be greatly appreciated.Sex working working girls easy, of course.
Any normal girl, no *****, unlikely to go with a strange dude to hotel. Needs time.
Kreshiatik Street is the absolutely worst place to find girls.Since you mentioned "Kreshiatik Street is the absolutely worst place to find girls", what would you recommendation? It may be a time consuming and hit & miss.
DramaFree11
10-13-18, 04:40
Yes, K. Street is the worse. There further you get away form K. Street the better experience you will have, and I was bet good money that you might have a shot at more attractive girls. K Street is done and has been done for several years.
Since you mentioned "Kreshiatik Street is the absolutely worst place to find girls", what would you recommendation? It may be a time consuming and hit & miss.For prostitutes I have no advice, I don't know. But people in this forum say that the clubs are good and the internet websites. But when I hear about prices (100+ $ per hour) I would be resistant. For such high amounts you can have sex working girls at home.
When it comes to normal girls, I can find them virtually anywhere in Ukraine, but hardly in Kreshiatik street.
I am coming to the Ukraine since many years and still thinking of the good old River Palace Times and even earlier the good old 111 in Hotel Lybid. Ever since my mongering experiences in Kiev had been bad. I tried Avalon, now closed, Shooters, bad experiences, Skybar, normally empty and Buddha Bar, empty or overpriced. I even had been to Rio.
I try to avoid booking through the Web and now will go back to Kiev more often.
Maybe some fellows can provide me with some updated information.
Is there a new Club / Bar which is new and woks solidly and is maybe not crowded but not empty.
Which Internet Ladies can be recommended by you, I like MILF types of Lady, english speaking, ideally A level service, but this is not a necessity.
Thank you in advance.Hello George, Hello all.
I was this summer (end of August) in Kiev. I can recommend Caribbean Club. From my point of view this is a good place for mongering. Of course you find not 10 in there. But with some luck you can find some decent 7 or 8.
I also tested Buddha Bar but it was empty. I spotted some WG at the bar. But since the entry is free I think you can have a look in it. It is a nice bar but I think to big for the amount of people in there. So you have always the feeling it is empty.
The Bar in the Arena and Chi they didn't let us in (face control).
Unfortunately I didn't do any daygame. But when I walk around I spotted some nice girls. Maybe next time. On other sites I read that it is possible to approach girls, Also some semi pros looking for customer there. Best area is Khreschatyk Street and around the Arena.
Online Game (Tinder and Mamba) works also good in Kiev. I would recommend to do your Homework 1 week before you flight to Kiev.
Price are varied. In the clubs the girls mostly asked for 100-200 EUR. It is possible to pull a girl for 100 EUR. Online between 2000 - 3000 UAH. All depends on you negotiate skills.
In some posts here I read some "negative vibes" about Kiev. I can't confirm this! Kiev is for me a good place for mongering in Europe.
DramaFree11
10-13-18, 10:48
Nice Report, 8's at C. Club highly unlikely low end place. 5-7's. Average place, but there are people there 7 days a week.
DramaFree11
10-13-18, 10:50
Night Clubs in Kiev are terrible, there are very few positive reports about the night clubs. There are other sites that hype the Kiev Night Life, but this is total be. S. And over hyped. There is almost zero night life in Kiev.
In some posts here I read some "negative vibes" about Kiev. I can't confirm this! Kiev is for me a good place for mongering in Europe.You are a freshman in Kiev. You do not know the "good, old" times. At that time it was possible to get a real 9 or 10. For small change ($ 100 and less). At that time it was possible to find a top woman without any financial interests without any problems. Today there are too many sex tourists. Especially from the Arab countries and Turkey. These people are ready to pay a lot of money. Blind and without reason. Which has a negative impact on the market. In my country it is no problem to get a good working girl for 30-50 Euro. A hooker who costs at least 200+ dollars in Kiev. From my side there is no reason to go to Kiev as a sex tourist. I really have a "business" in Ukraine. Sex for money is not the reason for my trip. Just to fuck 20 women in a week I do not have to travel to Kiev. The cost of flights, apartments, restaurants are often neglected. And the time it takes to find a good hooker. Wrong photos on the internet. Rip off in strip clubs. Negotiate the price. Women you wait for and do not come. For comparison: In Thailand (Pattaya, Bangkok) there are thousands of women you can see and take away immediately. You are spoiled for choice. In nudist clubs you can have 10 women in one night. Good women. And at a significantly better price than in Kiev.
Everything depends on the point of view. Travel to Kiev to save money? This works only if a hooker in your country is very expensive. Or there are few good hookers. As in Arab countries or Turkey. In Kiev you may still have the illusion of finding a semi-pro hooker. Not more. Kiev lives today only from the memory of the good old days. From the old reports on the internet. Of the rumors of the past years. That all Ukrainians are hookers. And Kiev lives on the wet dreams of millions of men.
That there are no hookers in Kiev is not true. But the quality and number of hookers goes down significantly. Compared with the crisis 2014/2015 and above all with the time 10 or 20 years ago. But prices are rising. Significant. Today 200 dollars. 4 years ago $ 50. For the same hookers.
I am coming to the Ukraine since many years and still thinking of the good old River Palace Times and even earlier the good old 111 in Hotel Lybid. Ever since my mongering experiences in Kiev had been bad. I tried Avalon, now closed, Shooters, bad experiences, Skybar, normally empty and Buddha Bar, empty or overpriced. I even had been to Rio.
I try to avoid booking through the Web and now will go back to Kiev more often.
Maybe some fellows can provide me with some updated information.
Is there a new Club / Bar which is new and woks solidly and is maybe not crowded but not empty.
Which Internet Ladies can be recommended by you, I like MILF types of Lady, english speaking, ideally A level service, but this is not a necessity.
Thank you in advance.Hi,
I tried Buddha bar for few nights only couple of ladies on the bar stools. I took one lady one night. I tried online and one girl confirmed if she does not look like her photo, I can send her back without even taxi money. She was exactly like photo and very GFE experience. I can share her details on Monday if you PM me. Best wishes for your Kiev Trip.
DramaFree11
10-13-18, 12:00
Love, your post, so true. Guys just do not want to deal with the reality of Kiev and try to keep this illusion alive. There are T. Dudes everywhere, more then willing to pay Top Dollar. Most do not care about rules and have just ruined the city One thing that is not talked about is these guys save up thee money for the whole year and go crazy in Kiev for a weekend or few days. Also, 3-4 guys will get an apartment outside the center, eat at home, so they are living very cheap, very smart, not sure I would want that type of trip, but I must give them credit.
Get a tinder premium, passport to Kiev and swipe everything right. You will end up with someone good.
I am coming to the Ukraine since many years and still thinking of the good old River Palace Times and even earlier the good old 111 in Hotel Lybid. Ever since my mongering experiences in Kiev had been bad. I tried Avalon, now closed, Shooters, bad experiences, Skybar, normally empty and Buddha Bar, empty or overpriced. I even had been to Rio.
I try to avoid booking through the Web and now will go back to Kiev more often.
Maybe some fellows can provide me with some updated information.
Is there a new Club / Bar which is new and woks solidly and is maybe not crowded but not empty..
You are a freshman in Kiev. You do not know the "good, old" times. At that time it was possible to get a real 9 or 10. For small change ($ 100 and less). At that time it was possible to find a top woman without any financial interests without any problems. Today there are too many sex tourists. Especially from the Arab countries and Turkey. These people are ready to pay a lot of money. Blind and without reason. Which has a negative impact on the market. In my country it is no problem to get a good working girl for 30-50 Euro. A hooker who costs at least 200+ dollars in Kiev. From my side there is no reason to go to Kiev as a sex tourist. I really have a "business" in Ukraine. Sex for money is not the reason for my trip. Just to fuck 20 women in a week I do not have to travel to Kiev. The cost of flights, apartments, restaurants are often neglected. And the time it takes to find a good hooker. Wrong photos on the internet. Rip off in strip clubs. Negotiate the price. Women you wait for and do not come. For comparison: In Thailand (Pattaya, Bangkok) there are thousands of women you can see and take away immediately. You are spoiled for choice. In nudist clubs you can have 10 women in one night. Good women. And at a significantly better price than in Kiev.
Everything depends on the point of view. Travel to Kiev to save money? This works only if a hooker in your country is very expensive. Or there are few good hookers. As in Arab countries or Turkey. In Kiev you may still have the illusion of finding a semi-pro hooker. Not more. Kiev lives today only from the memory of the good old days. From the old reports on the internet. Of the rumors of the past years. That all Ukrainians are hookers. And Kiev lives on the wet dreams of millions of men.
That there are no hookers in Kiev is not true. But the quality and number of hookers goes down significantly. Compared with the crisis 2014/2015 and above all with the time 10 or 20 years ago. But prices are rising. Significant. Today 200 dollars. 4 years ago $ 50. For the same hookers.I totally agree with this report, close to the reality. I love the part: "Women you wait for and do not come". And this one too " That all Ukrainians are hookers". So many guys think that way, so many of them are not hookers.
You are a freshman in Kiev. You do not know the "good, old" times. At that time it was possible to get a real 9 or 10. For small change ($ 100 and less). At that time it was possible to find a top woman without any financial interests without any problems. Today there are too many sex tourists. Especially from the Arab countries and Turkey. These people are ready to pay a lot of money. Blind and without reason. Which has a negative impact on the market. In my country it is no problem to get a good working girl for 30-50 Euro. A hooker who costs at least 200+ dollars in Kiev. From my side there is no reason to go to Kiev as a sex tourist. I really have a "business" in Ukraine. Sex for money is not the reason for my trip. Just to fuck 20 women in a week I do not have to travel to Kiev. The cost of flights, apartments, restaurants are often neglected. And the time it takes to find a good hooker. Wrong photos on the internet. Rip off in strip clubs. Negotiate the price. Women you wait for and do not come. For comparison: In Thailand (Pattaya, Bangkok) there are thousands of women you can see and take away immediately. You are spoiled for choice. In nudist clubs you can have 10 women in one night. Good women. And at a significantly better price than in Kiev.
Everything depends on the point of view. Travel to Kiev to save money? This works only if a hooker in your country is very expensive. Or there are few good hookers. As in Arab countries or Turkey. In Kiev you may still have the illusion of finding a semi-pro hooker. Not more. Kiev lives today only from the memory of the good old days. From the old reports on the internet. Of the rumors of the past years. That all Ukrainians are hookers. And Kiev lives on the wet dreams of millions of men.
That there are no hookers in Kiev is not true. But the quality and number of hookers goes down significantly. Compared with the crisis 2014/2015 and above all with the time 10 or 20 years ago. But prices are rising. Significant. Today 200 dollars. 4 years ago $ 50. For the same hookers.Dear misterxxx, Hello all.
This is correct. I'm "freshman in Kiev" and I'm "not know the "good, old" times"! And I'm also notice the guys from Turkey and from the arab country in the clubs and the the negative impact. I'm agree and I'm also not happy about it!
It doesn't make sense to mourn the old days. We should talk about what's going on now. As soon as someone talks about his experiences today, something about the old times is told immediately. We shouldn't be treating each other like this.
Please do not compare to Thailand. They play in a different league and they are not in Europe. I was in Pattaya and know about the prices and the girls. And by the way when you look in some Pattaya Forum you find also people who are talking about "the good old times".
You say "In my country it is no problem to get a good working girl for 30-50 Euro" Please told us from which country are you talking? Is it in Europe?
Does anyone have a suggestion where it's better in Europe? Where you can find good WG in clubs and bars for a better price? I am looking forward to finding some suggestions.
The Bar in the Arena and Chi they didn't let us in (face control)..One of the biggest disappointments in today's Kiev is the clubs where the really beautiful girls patronize will not let you in if you're a grown up man. Not unless you reserve a table and pay them stupid money.
I havn't been in Kiev for 3 years. At that time I used Mamba to get my score. The site is not the same, and VK seems dead. Where is the new place to hunt? My trip is planed after Christmas so I have good time.
Best regards.
OwaRunner.
Just to say in my experience not the one at Khrestatyk metro but the one by Ploshcha Lva Tolstoho metro. Been approached twice there.
I assume they must be talking about the McDonalds on Khreschatyk street next to the metro entrance. I have been in this place hundreds of times, never have been approached once, never had any girl other than an employee give me any sort of look. I'm sure if you want to approach students and attempt to get numbers, perhaps it's possible but it's certainly not a prime pickup spot in my opinion. The metro entrance and exit next door is a high foot traffic area and you may have a good chance to attempt to meet women and get numbers but I've never just been randomly approached by anyone other than street beggars looking for money.
One of the biggest disappointments in today's Kiev is the clubs where the really beautiful girls patronize will not let you in if you're a grown up man. Not unless you reserve a table and pay them stupid money.Yes fully agree. Seams like that they didn't'need our money. And we are not "cheep charlies". But I don't want to complain. I'm looking for alternatives.
Dear misterxxx, Hello all.
This is correct. I'm "freshman in Kiev" and I'm "not know the "good, old" times"! And I'm also notice the guys from Turkey and from the arab country in the clubs and the the negative impact. I'm agree and I'm also not happy about it!
It doesn't make sense to mourn the old days. We should talk about what's going on now. As soon as someone talks about his experiences today, something about the old times is told immediately. We shouldn't be treating each other like this.
Please do not compare to Thailand. They play in a different league and they are not in Europe. I was in Pattaya and know about the prices and the girls. And by the way when you look in some Pattaya Forum you find also people who are talking about "the good old times"..Personally I use Mamba. Spend sometime getting to know girls. I have met some nice girls, spent some time with them then move on.
I try to get a girl at somewhere near 1000 UAH or $35 per hour for a couple of hours, sometimes that has gone up to 4 hours depending on girl. So $17 or 500 uah per hour bloody good price / time.
As for the good old days, well forget the comments today is now.
You could get a good price in any city years ago, now expensive.
When I goto Kiev, I get about 10 telephone numbers then use just 5.
That way I do not feel I missed out.
You can always log onto Mamba and get someone today for good price, last time sweet 19 yo for 1000 uah per hour, she probably would come for less but that is my goal.
From looking on Mamba to dipping my wick one and a half hours.
I do not want to pay club prices, $300 for a shag way too much, if I can have half a dozen girls for $70 a pop over a say three days I am happy.
Well my two pennies worth.
The trick is that I use a reliable agent. I go to apartments
Tanya, Emma, Ilona from apartments are beautiful. I saw Tanya twice. Buddy saw Nastia, petite spinner blonde who rocked it for him.What is this trick, could you elaborate more on this please. It almost sounds as if apartments is a brand name of an agency or club LOL.
The way you use names of the girls is nice. But would you mind sharing their numbers, if you have any.
Cheers.
DramaFree11
10-16-18, 09:27
One of the biggest disappointments in today's Kiev is the clubs where the really beautiful girls patronize will not let you in if you're a grown up man. Not unless you reserve a table and pay them stupid money.
Guys it is easy just tip the Doorman a few buck, you just have to play the game. (If you can pay $200, plus and hour, at GIA I am sure you can afford $2-5, it goes a long ways), I have been to both places over 50 times. The Bar always has people, buy very small. Definitely not high end, but for Kiev is above average. When I was going there a lot thee was not even a Doorman, so I do not know how you could not get in.
Famous is empty 90% of the time, fun place, and beautiful, very few single girls, Friday's are good, Saturdays usually empty, and the rest of the week there is nobody there. You are not missing much.
Gluckstaler
10-16-18, 14:58
Personally I use Mamba. Spend sometime getting to know girls. I have met some nice girls, spent some time with them then move on.
I try to get a girl at somewhere near 1000 UAH or $35 per hour for a couple of hours, sometimes that has gone up to 4 hours depending on girl. So $17 or 500 uah per hour bloody good price / time.
As for the good old days, well forget the comments today is now.
You could get a good price in any city years ago, now expensive.
When I goto Kiev, I get about 10 telephone numbers then use just 5.
That way I do not feel I missed out..Based on what I read here, I used Mamba to approach girls. If you're not yet in Kiev you need to buy the premium "VIP" option (6 $) to search for them. The good thing about Mamba is that there is much less "fake" there. Ukrainian photographers have a very distinctive well-lit, mise-en-scene style, if the girl also has photos made by herself, you can be certain that's her. And I can tell you that's almost 100% of the profiles.
Now the bad parts:
1. Those girls are quite choosy. Expect to have a 50% reply rate leading to a rate of 25% of exchanging telephone numbers. So do your research at least one week before arrival.
2. I don't know when Crompton was last in Kiev, prices start with 100 $/3000 UAH for 2 h for a 8-9/10, 150 $ for a 9-10/10 up to 250 $ for the Emilia Clarke look-alike. Now if a 8-9 asks you for 150 $ you can negotiate her down to 100 $, but the 9-10+ will not engage in any negotiation whatsoever. Also they might have encountered so many weirdos that they initially will not agree to come for more than 2 h. The good thing is that all of them agree to kiss you without asking for extra.
3. I do have to admit that I didn't contact any girl with looks below an 8, and that those girls could be as cheap as Crompton describes, but it seems to me that Turks and Arabs are inflating prices here.
I will arrive in Kiev on Thursday for a long weekend. What are bars / clubs which you would recommend to go to?
The way you use names of the girls is nice. But would you mind sharing their numbers, if you have any..It took almost three weeks for someone to ask. If it was any other thread.
It took almost three weeks for someone to ask. If it was any other thread.LOL, actually I signed up to respond to your post. Overall it is interesting. By the way I am residing in Kyiv since May and I have some goodies too. We can exchange on the PM.
I'm up for sharing the legit and good girls we find on Kiev.
https://t.me/joinchat/HNPXAw7tQXsDc-RTFYGsIQ is a channel for sharing information.Good idea!
Tomorrow I am in Kiev again. A few things change last years.
Independent girls are difficult to find. But not impossible.
You need some time for it.
Clubs still lots of possibilities. Caribbean Club is my favorite. Sorry Babushka, Coyote Ugly and Forsage (not for old man) is good too. But last 3 clubs not many pro girls. You have to search. But an expert will see them.
Students want some extra money too. But be kind to them and maybe they come with you.
Anyone any advice on other clubs? What about the new d'lux and skybar? Or other?
Personally I use Mamba. Spend sometime getting to know girls. I have met some nice girls, spent some time with them then move on.
I try to get a girl at somewhere near 1000 UAH or $35 per hour for a couple of hours, sometimes that has gone up to 4 hours depending on girl. So $17 or 500 uah per hour bloody good price / time.
As for the good old days, well forget the comments today is now.
You could get a good price in any city years ago, now expensive.
When I goto Kiev, I get about 10 telephone numbers then use just 5.
That way I do not feel I missed out.
You can always log onto Mamba and get someone today for good price, last time sweet 19 yo for 1000 uah per hour, she probably would come for less but that is my goal.
From looking on Mamba to dipping my wick one and a half hours.
I do not want to pay club prices, $300 for a shag way too much, if I can have half a dozen girls for $70 a pop over a say three days I am happy.
Well my two pennies worth.After reading your post about Mamba, I hope that nobody has booked a flight, thinking of getting pretty non-pro girls from Mamba by paying 1000 uah. This traveler would be very disapointed to get 4 or 5 on a beauty scale. Furthermore nearly no girl agree with that price for 1 hour.
After two weeks sending messages, last year I found 3 of them that agreed for that price. I took none of them, because there were too ugly or not good enough for me.
This year, after spending more than 1 month in Kiev, I found 2 of them that agreed for 1000 UAH, but again, less than average, so I didn't take them. I was able to get some girls around 1500 UAH that were average or a bit more. So you might expect to pay at least around 1500 UAH for 1 hour and up if you want at least a 6 and more.
So when someone writes that 10 non-pros girls from Mamba agreed to come to his flat for 1000 UAH for 1 hour, it's just a fake news, a wrong information. Except, maybe if he is really good looking on his pictures. As we deal with non-pros, they may be disposed to meet a good looking guy instead of some others not so handsome or older.
AnthonySun1996
10-18-18, 17:30
Long time no see gents.
I was offered through my local agent that a girl I have met before would accompany me for whole 3 days plus on night at a charge of 120,000 grivnas. The girl I'm talking about is a solid 9 by my standards. Blonde, 5'11', aesthetically sized boobs, long legs, attractive body. 120,000 grv is not a great deal for me, but I just want to know if it is a fair price, or I'm being overcharged.
BTW my previous account had been invalidated for unknown reasons so I registered a new one with the same username. Any ideas why it happened?
Long time no see gents.
I was offered through my local agent that a girl I have met before would accompany me for whole 3 days plus on night at a charge of 120,000 grivnas. The girl I'm talking about is a solid 9 by my standards. Blonde, 5'11', aesthetically sized boobs, long legs, attractive body. 120,000 grv is not a great deal for me, but I just want to know if it is a fair price, or I'm being overcharged.
BTW my previous account had been invalidated for unknown reasons so I registered a new one with the same username. Any ideas why it happened?Thats about 3737 EUR or 1246 EUR per day. Plus additional expenses for going out. From point of view I would never ever pay this even if I have the money.
On our last trip a friend from me take a 9 with him for 200 and she stay till next day. He invite her to lunch after and then she go.
From my experience 120,000 is not even close to reasonable. My personal taste is to find a woman I enjoy and have a connection with and then spend anywhere from one to multiple days with them. The most I have paid for a woman from Kiev is USD $1000 for 4 days / 3 night down to $200/ day. I recently had a solid 10 offer to stay with me for $500/ day which I felt was too much and declined. There are many options available for much less than this offer IMHO. I would say you're definitely being overcharged.
[pQUOTE=AnthonySun1996;2237529]Long time no see gents.
I was offered through my local agent that a girl I have met before would accompany me for whole 3 days plus on night at a charge of 120,000 grivnas. The girl I'm talking about is a solid 9 by my standards. Blonde, 5'11', aesthetically sized boobs, long legs, attractive body. 120,000 grv is not a great deal for me, but I just want to know if it is a fair price, or I'm being overcharged.
BTW my previous account had been invalidated for unknown reasons so I registered a new one with the same username. Any ideas why it happened? QUOTE].
AnthonySun1996
10-18-18, 23:41
Thats about 3737 EUR or 1246 EUR per day. Plus additional expenses for going out. From point of view I would never ever pay this even if I have the money.
On our last trip a friend from me take a 9 with him for 200 and she stay till next day. He invite her to lunch after and then she go.Forgot to mention that also included in the price is that I could live in her apartment and she would cook for me.
I know I m being overcharged but am curious to what extent I'm being overcharged. I'm a foreigner with limited Russian language skills after all, so some overcharges are expected.
AnthonySun1996
10-18-18, 23:59
JonTom,
Perhaps you are right mate. But the problem is that I actually have little choice rather than being overcharged. I have limited sources of 9's in Kiev so I have to pay some extra to keep my current ones. Besides I'm not good at bargaining with my local agents.
Regarding your experience, what are your standards when you are talking about 10's? To me 10 means almost perfect, and haven't seen a 10 in Kiev's sex market. So I'm happy with a 9. And how did you manage to find a 10? It would be great if you could share her contact to me, since you think 500 usd a day is too high. Cheers.
Happy hunting & stay safe.
Hi JonTom,
We have similar taste. I find that just having sex without a little bit of emotional connection is, as someone put it elegantly, masturbating with a pussy.
Now do you mind sharing what local agent you used? I'm very interested in such arrangement but can't seem to find a way to do it.
Mamba semi pros won't meet you unless they find you attractive. I'll guess about 90 per cent of non Russian speaking over forty foreigners will not qualify.
AnthonySun1996
10-20-18, 17:27
http://en.kiev.natashaescort.com/3449/zarina/380685415114
This girl looks a perfect 10 to me in her pictures. I know from me previous experience that some sites my use fake or outdated photos of girls, but the price listed here is 3000 uah, which is apparently higher than market average. Does it mean there is low risk here? Has anyone tried this site or this girl?
JohnDoe9021
10-20-18, 20:50
I am in Kiev for 5 days. I needs some help tracking down some fun. I am being real, anything in the 6-9 range works for me. Trying to keep to about 2000-3000 an hour, and thin, anal, CIM. I am still pretty new in the game but I at least know the basics.
Just to say in my experience not the one at Khrestatyk metro but the one by Ploshcha Lva Tolstoho metro. Been approached twice there.Thanks for this updated information. 8 years ago McDonald's in K street was ok but now seems the McDonald you mentioned is better. Did you meet young students or Pros? How much were they requesting? What time is the best?
Weekends K street is full with families and not too much with girls for sex. I wonder how is now with the weather getting colder maybe better the shopping malls?
http://en.kiev.natashaescort.com/3449/zarina/380685415114
This girl looks a perfect 10 to me in her pictures. I know from me previous experience that some sites my use fake or outdated photos of girls, but the price listed here is 3000 uah, which is apparently higher than market average. Does it mean there is low risk here? Has anyone tried this site or this girl?Once again: All of those sites use fake photos. Even the photos marked with "real photo" are 99% fake. And even some Mamba girls use fake photos. It doesn't matter if the girl is 1000 uah per hour or 3000 uah per hour. Even "Gia" (one of the few agencies with real photos) shows the faces of the girls no longer open. All women are afraid of being recognized as prostitutes. From the police. From relatives.
I have no experience with the woman in the photo. But for me it looks like a fake. Use Google and search for the phone number. You will find photos of several women in the same building. One woman had a sign with "EXIT" in the background. An english sign in a ukrainian construction site? Fake, fake, fake.
NightOwl69
10-21-18, 17:58
http://en.kiev.natashaescort.com/3449/zarina/380685415114
This girl looks a perfect 10 to me in her pictures. I know from me previous experience that some sites my use fake or outdated photos of girls, but the price listed here is 3000 uah, which is apparently higher than market average. Does it mean there is low risk here? Has anyone tried this site or this girl?It is fake as fake can be, the photos are taken from: http://pornpixfree.com/27191-teen-blonde-in-an-abandoned-house-pull-off-lace-panties.html.
DramaFree11
10-21-18, 18:19
It is fake as fake can be, the photos are taken from:-teen-blonde-in-an-abandoned-house-pull-off-lace-panties.
These guys just do not want to believe the truth. 99?9% profiles are fake in Kiev, and that might be a conservative estimate.
AnthonySun1996
10-21-18, 19:12
Alas, I really hope this type of girl could be available in Kiev pussy market.
It is fake as fake can be, the photos are taken from: http://pornpixfree.com/27191-teen-blonde-in-an-abandoned-house-pull-off-lace-panties.html.
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