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http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/americas/12/19/life.brazil.playboy.reut/
Cover that bottom, Brazilian judge orders
Pedestrians walk past the controversial advertisement for this month's Brazilian Playboy magazine in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on Tuesday
December 19, 2000
Web posted at: 9:28 PM EST (0228 GMT)
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) -- A Brazilian judge said on Tuesday he had ordered the naked bottom of this month's Brazil Playboy cover girl on billboard ads in Rio de Janeiro be covered up to protect children from obscenity.
Judge Siro Darlan ordered that official black-and-white notices be plastered over the backside of Carla Perez, a well-known television presenter and dancer.
This was back in early October.
I arrived at the airport and used a metered taxi this time to Copacabana. The fare was R22. When I prepayed last year, it was R49. After checking into the hotel, I bought all the neccessities like spring water and sandals from the supermarket. At about 7:00pm, Tuesday, I went to Centaurus, and there wasn't as many drop dead garotas like last year. There was probably 3 or 4 that I would rate a 9. Maybe, Tuesday, is a little slow or all the 10s are busy upstairs. I decided to go to the bar and get a beer, and started chatting up a tall brunette by the name of S******. She spoke some English because she says that she took 5 years of English, but now she's in law school. We sat down and started french kissing while my right hand was grabbing and squeezing her ass. Tuesday must be a little slow because, one by one, all these blonds started coming over and asking if I wanted a blond garota to go with the brunette. I kept saying no or "um a de meis". The brunette thought it was pretty funny whenever I said "um a de meis", but all these louras(blonds) kept walking away acting upset. Also, I noticed that all the garotas that I was with last year all remembered me, and they all kept coming over to give me a kiss. This one chick, Mo****, that I knew from last year, came over and started tongue kissing, S******, the brunette that I was with, to show me what a great time all three of us could have, but I turned her down. Then, I made the mistake of making eye contact with a garota that was sitting across the room. She was average looking compared to the other Centaurus babes. She came over and started rubbing my crotch and french kissing me and, pretty soon, we were doing a "triple kiss". This is when all three of us would tongue kiss each other at the same time. This is so much fun. When it was time to go up, I chose only the brunette. I felt bad afterwards because that other girl was working hard kissing me and trying to convince me to change my mind. When we got to the room, I asked if I could take a picture, and she was cool with it. While she was naked, she didn't want her face to be shown so she'd turn around. She was lying on the bed, and I put my dick next to her face, and she knew exactly what I wanted her to do. She gave a great BBBJ. She rode me cowgirl and then reverse cowgirl while moaning. Then, I went down on her, and she came. Afterwards, when I was on top, missionary, she said "cum for me". I was thinking that I might not be able to because I was still tired from the flight. Then, she said somehing that shocked me, "cum in my mouth. That was all the motivation that I needed, so I jacked off all over her mouth. I just love Rio. Afterwards, I went back to my hotel to make some calls to friends to let them know that I've arrived safely and to get some cash. Then, I went Luomo which was just across the street from my hotel. After changing and showered, I went to the bar and asked for a beer then this one chick kept smiling at me and ask if I remembered her. I wasn't sure, but then she told me her name was T***** which was when I remembered her even though she changed her hair color. We had a couple of beers, and she told me most of the garotas at Luomo were new and that the ones from last year made enough money and left. Also, she now had to work 4 days a week instead of 3 days because the mananger said that there wasn't enough terma garotas Luomo. She told me that her friend C****, with whom I partied with a couple of times last year, moved to Germany with her German boyfriend and only comes back for Carnivale. I could've sworn she told me last year that she had an American bf. T***** spoke some English and told a couple of Black Americans who were with Black Brazilian girls that "she your sister". The American guys simply nodded. When they started playing some hip-hop music is when she got on the dance floor, and, pretty soon, she dragged me onto the dance floor. These Brazilian gals definately can shake that azz. I was doing dances from the early 90s and even 80s, but the ladies thought they were all new dances from America. Afterwards, I did a one hour programa with her. She let me take a picture of her and even topless. She gave me a BBBJ which was strange because last year, she was one of those terma garotas who refuse to blow me without a condom. Since I got off at Centaurus, I wasn't sure if I would be able to get it up, but the thought of blowing me bare back when she refused to do it last time, turned me on. I couldn't get off, but I got her off twice(once orally). A thought cross my mind to grab the camera when she was about to have an orgasm, but I doubt if she would've let me.
It's only my first day in Brazil, and I've had so much fun.
I will be arriving in Rio on January 20th for about a month. Looking for a fellow monger who can educate me on the sites and pleasures of Rio.
Thanks.
Rio Bob,
I did not take the picture. This is one which she sent me. I am sure it was taking by that photographer guy who always walks around (scruffy beard, etc). Anyway, I remember one year he was walking around with his sunglass turned upside down. We all started doing that at the pria. That was in the good ole days when Jona' ran the chair "mafia".
What's up guys? I am new to this forum and I can really use your help with a question I have.
Question: I am heading down to Rio De Janeiro for Carnaval 2004 by myself. I would like to know if it is easy to find economical 1-bedroom studios/apartments/condos for rent near the Rio Othon Palace Hotel or club HELP? If so, are these apartments safe? I know there are people on the streets renting out apartments, but are these apartments reliable and safe?
I did some research online regarding apartments. However, all of the agencies renting out apartments are doing so at an extremely high cost, for example $100 U.S. per night! I think I can get a better deal once I land in Rio and ask around for 1-bedroom studios/apartments/condos. I am not sure though. I would appreciate any advise, help and info you can provide to me.
Thanks in advance!
Rios69
Re: DATY in Brazil,
Isn't there a risk of catching HIV or something else from performing DATY on a garota? I read a report somewhere in WSG awhile ago where someone had said that saliva neutralizes HIV. I'm not sure I believe that, but I've done DATY on Brazilian garotas before and haven't had any problems. I'm going to Rio on Jan. 20th-29th and although I'm a big fan of DATY, I'm having second thoughts about doing it this time. Can anyone shed light on this subject? I know I'm gonna be tempted, so any additional knowledge would be much appreciated. Obrigado!!
Irishlager
Yes you can get HIV from DATY. Use protection!
Transmission of HIV through oral sex is rare but it can happen.
http://www.thebody.com/cdc/oralsex.html
Now for men getting a BBBJTC is almost nil and the person giving is about the same as long that there are no open sores or wounds inside the oral cavity. And from what I've read if they partake in the consumption of semen the stomach acids kill on contact any virus.
I've tried to explain this to many women but they just won't buy it :)
Snooky...
While in Rio in Nov, I spent a day and night with a garota from L'uomo on her day off, and also spent a day and night with a garota from Monte Carlo on her day off. They each volunteered to me that the girls in both places are checked by a doctor once a week and have their blood tested every two weeks.
Interestingly, both also stated that they did not like going to Help after they finished work at the therma because they got tired of seeing so many familar faces chasing other garotas. However, I did see a few of their co-workers at Help, usually around 2 in the morning or so.
Finally, earlier posters have complained about all the kids that harrass you when you leave Help. I spent a part of an evening watching the whole exiting Help scene. The kids would harrass guys and their garotas, but as soon as a taxi driver would tell the kids to back off, they would. I also saw the taxi drivers giving some change to the kids - I presume this was payment for their harrassment of customers (and to generate cab fares for the drivers). After about 2:30 or 3:00, the kids all seem to disappear and you leave Help with your garota and just walk back to your place - no hustling by the cabbies and no kids bothering you.
I guess tit for tat is OK. I am not one that will turn in my ticket to Rio...going on the 12th.
This is in regards to the Brazilian effort to match the US requirement to photo and print all aliens coming into the US.
Mayor Cesar Maia said the extra immigration checks would damage tourism - particularly in Rio.
He called the measures, introduced on Thursday, naive and reciprocal.
The decision by Judge Julier Sebastiao da Silva followed US plans to introduce tougher immigration checks on Brazilians entering the United States.
He made the order after a Brazilian Government office filed a complaint in a federal court over the new US immigration measures.
From 5 January, travellers from all countries which need a visa to enter the US will undergo the same checks.
This is their sovereign right to do if they want to do it
Adam Ereli
US state department spokesman
"I consider the act absolutely brutal, threatening human rights, violating human dignity, xenophobic and worthy of the worst horrors committed by the Nazis," said Mr Sebastiao da Silva in the court order.
Police in Brazil said they began checking fingerprinting and photographing US visitors from Thursday.
A federal police spokesman said Mr Sebastiao da Silva's order could be overturned by Brazil's justice system if it was thought he had acted outside of his powers.
Anti-terror measure
The US said it would watch closely the new Brazilian rules, but stressed that it was the country's right to impose such requirements.
"Our consulates general in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro are monitoring developments on this issue closely," said deputy US state department spokesman Adam Ereli.
But he added that the US had no plans to complain or even discuss the regulations with the Brazilian authorities.
"This is their sovereign right to do if they want to do it," he told reporters.
Mr Sebastiao da Silva's order was in response to Washington's new rules as part of increased anti-terrorism measures.
They aim to identify people who have violated immigration controls, have a criminal record or belong to groups that Washington has on its list of terrorist organisations.
An official from the US Department of Homeland Security said at least two of the 19 hijackers in the 11 September 2001 attacks could have been stopped if this security system had been in place.
It will not apply to citizens of 27 nations who do not require a visa to enter the US.
As to the chances of HIV from oral sex and DATY...a couple of studies.
A new laboratory study of mouth tissues suggests that unprotected oral sex does have the potential to transmit HIV, although experts say it is still les risky than other transmission routes.
The results, published in the March issue of the Journal of Virology, suggest that, even without any cuts or sores in the mouth, HIV may still be able to infect oral tissue under the right circumstances.
Dr Xuan Liu, of Charles R Dres University of Medicine and Science in Los Angeles, along with colleagues at the University of California, Los Angeles, took oral tissue samples from over 50 healthy, HIV-negative patients and exposed the tissue to three different types of HIV, says Reuters Health.
They found that two of the types could infect and reproduce within cells called keratinocytes that line the surface of the mouth, and that these cells can then transfer the infection to adjacent white blood cells.
The level of infection in the mouth cells, though, was less than a quarter of that seen in white blood cells.
"HIV is able to get into (keratinocytes), but it reproduces less than it would in blood cells ... because saliva contains an HIV inhibitor," Liu said.
Keratinocytes are, under certain circumstances, able to release the virus to blood cells, which proliferate much faster than keratinocytes. Thus, the transfer of the infection from keratinocytes to white blood cells may provide a "foothold" for HIV in the body.
The researchers examined three cell receptors that HIV uses to latch onto and infect cells. They did not study CD4, a receptor found on white blood cells that is the most common target of HIV.
They found that keratinocytes have two receptors that bind to HIV. However, when the research team used inhibitors to block HIV from attaching to these receptors, they noticed that they did not completely block transmission. This suggest that the cells may have low levels of other receptors used by the virus, Liu said.
Further research is necessary to determine if the laboratory results mimic what actually happens in a living patient. It also remains to be seen how applicable the current study is to a potential treatment.
Dr. Jeffrey Laurence, senior scientific consultant for programmes at the American Foundation for AIDS Research (AmFAR) and director of AIDS Virus Research at Cornell's Weill College of Medicine, believes the findings indicate there is "no reason for altering safer sex guidelines that have been talked about for over 15 years."
"No exchange of infected bodily fluids is absolutely safe, but kissing has been shown to be of no risk, and oral sex is of much lower risk than the other traditional factors known to spread HIV."
Second report.
In June 2002, a study conducted amongst 135 HIV-negative Spanish heterosexuals, who were in a sexual relationship with a person who was HIV-positive, reported that over 19,000 instances of unprotected oral sex had not lead to any cases of HIV transmission. The study also looked at contributing factors that could effect the potential transmission of HIV through oral sex. They monitored viral load and asked questions such as whether ejaculation in the mouth occurred and how good oral health was. Amongst HIV-positive men, 34 per cent had ejaculated into the mouths of their partners. Viral load levels were available for 60 people in the study, 10 per cent of whom had levels over 10,000 copies. Nearly 16 per cent of the HIV-positive people had CD4 counts below 200. The study, conducted over a ten year period between 1990 and 2000, adds to the growing number of studies which suggest varying levels of risk of HIV transmission from oral sex when compared to anal or vaginal intercourse.
Thanks fellas for all the info regarding DATY and STD/HIV transmission. I'll most likely stick to my usual practice of not doing DATY for quick one-time garotas and do it for garotas that I dig enough to hang with for more than a day. For some reason, this method works for me and gives me more of a chance to check out the goods before going down. I'll be in Rio Jan 20th-29th if anyone would like to meet up for a cold Brahma.
irishlager
RIos69,
You can check either of these two websites for Apartments near Help.
I am not sure about Carnaval prices, however.
gringomanagement.com
copacabanaholiday.com.br
TJ
The HIV virus takes about six months to produce antibodies in the human body and, therefore, does not show up in tests until the six months are over. The Garotas in the termas, while being regularly tested, will have had sex with many, many, people in the six month period before they test positive for HIV. Something more to think about.
I always stay at an apartment less than 100 meters from Help. It is a two bedroom place, full time doorman, elevator, ac, tv, and ideally located. Contact riotours@hotmail.com. However, I have the place from 14 Jan to 4 Feb. They do have other apartments.
Gang,
We are planning our first (anal:)) anual convention in Rio, so far we have 8-10 existing members who will patricipate, the goal is to share our experiences and teach each other, I'm sure we all will have a great time and plan future activities. As I see it, there is soo much to be done and learn and that is why we are planning this event. You can register with me via private message at WSG, all I need is your screen name and I will inform you as for date, time and location.
Approximate date is set for 22 Jan, 2004.
Future events will be organized on a monthly basis in Rio.
Looking forward to meet you all.
Go Play!
FINGERPRINTING IN RIO
It is definitely happening Rio now. I flew in on the 2nd and had no problem. However, a buddy landed on the morning of the 3rd and they had just started it. He wound up getting hit by the press people on the way out to get his comment. I guess his image has been on CNN and printed in Oglobo.
I know there's high turnover with the garotas in the termas, but has any been tested positive for HIV.
I have stayed on Ave. Atlantica in this apartment owned by a guy in Miami. It is the nicest apartment I have ever stayed in Brazil. White and blue marble floors super clean white walls, brand new full floor to ceiling closets in bedrooms, Full mirrors, big screen TV DVD/CD stereo, 3 bedrooms jacuzzi in living room looking out over beach. I usually stay at the Marriott and this place is deluxe. Always wows the girls. The entrance is between Meia Petaca and Havana it is on the 10th floor ocean side. 1/2 block from help.
Let me know if you want me to put you in contact with the owner. You can rent direct from him.
Rio Regular
Guys, what you have all said and cut and pasted about the HIV virus is all true, of course. Now I have been going to Rio for many years and I have a good amount of friends who go their regularily also for many years and some who live there and many who own apartments there. Some of these guys I know for a fact don't even use condoms. Now in all this time and all these people I have never heard of one case of any heterosexual man getting the HIV virus and very few getting other forms of treatable std's.
This is my experience, what about some of you guys out there who have been regulars and know people who frequent these places, do you know of anybody who got aids from heterosexual sex?
There is a gay guy in my office who also volunteers at an AIDS clinic. He's the guy that informs people that test positive. His office is across the hall from mine and we are often the last ones to leave the building (Dont even think of going there!!!). We've had discussions on on the probabilities of contracting AIDS between heterosexual partners. He is well read in these matters and I think he gave me some pretty good answers to some pretty frank questions today.
First of all he said that getting HIV from receiving oral sex is about nil. He recommended that I read the the following article.
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0308/osborne.php
I also asked him what his opinion of the probablities of getting HIV from unprotected sex with a woman who definitely has HIV. I posed it in this way. If a woman had HIV and screwed 100 men in the course of a month (your typical terma girl) how many men would get the virus. His answer was around 15-20. Why 15-20 guys? He said it would probably be the last guy of the day half of the time because there would be abbrasions in her pelvic area that would transmit the disease to the man and most likely to abbrasions in his pelvic area.
According to him, HIV is only tranmitted via blood and semen and it is harder for a male to get it than a female during heterosexual sex.
So my strategy is to get to the termas early and get lots of head :)
Well, Magic Johnson supposedly got infected through heterosexual sex, but I don't know anyone personally who has. I brought this topic up in these recent posts because I believe this hobby to be slightly risky, even if it's the most fun a single fellow could ever have, but the topic of HIV/STD sure is scary to even talk about. I almost wanna say "Enough!!", but it's an important topic to address. Again, I certainly appreciate the info provided on the subject . Have a blast but be careful and wear that raincoat anyway.
An HIV statistic. In Brazil, in 2001, 610,000 people out of a total population of 182,000,000 was living with HIV/Aids. In the US it was 900,000 out of 290,000,000 total population. In South Africa it was (get this) 5 Million people out of 43,000,000 total. WTF!! Moral of the story. Stay away from South Africa. This info came from the CIA fact book. http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sf.html
Check it out!
Fellas--
Sorry to interrupt the erudition, but I have a question. ABOUT GIRLS. I have been scouting the escort service sites, and, frankly, they look freakin' awesome. Here's the question--
In these ads, there is often a reference made as to 'completinha,' or 'completissima.' Am I to understand that these are the same thing? I would guess they are, but want to know for sure. Also, I gather that this means these girls give up the brown eye, just like 'completo' means in BA. True?
Are the prices listed for 1 or 2 hours? Seems like the price is about 100-200. Is there an elite agency with top grade girls?
Thanks in advance for your replies. It's just that I enjoyed Platynum so much in BA, I really get the feeling that these agencies would make an excellent lunch break.
Guys, I understand that heterosexual men have been HIV positive from sex with a woman but I would like to know if out of all you Mongers who go to Rio and go to Help, the Boites in Lido and all the termas, have you ever heard of anyone (Male Heterosexual) who has got HIV positive from Mongering in Rio?
That is my question, simple and to the point, nothing else.
Im not saying it can't happen all Im saying is do you know of a case where it has happened?
Believe me I was worried about it too. I spoke to alot of people about it and now since it has been many years that I have been going down there I do not know of one case. And you can bet that if there was one you would hear about it and people talk and I have heard nothing. But of course I take every precaution and I am carefull, very carefull.
UNGMAN,
Yes when the website says: 'completinha,' or 'completissima' it means yes that this is the road on the Hershey highway. For elite type girls try this website, they say they have magizine models for R$500 an hour http://www.viprj.com.br/ I called but didn't take them up on the hype but if its true then it might be worth it.
Also, not that I have had alot of girls from websites, just a couple, whoever takes the pictures and posts them makes the girls look alot better than they are but all of them have been good that I had except one and 3 have been out of this world even though they didn't look exactly like their pictures but close.
Usaully the first price is for 1 hour and then they have a price for 2 hours but I don't know which website you are referring to but I would assume it is for 1 hour if there is only one price.
RIO - A Model photo shoot & Model show !!!.
FOBU, an old pal from previous visits, invites me for a model photo shoot - some how he has managed to get himself appointed as the official photographer for an Model Agency in Niteroi.
Crossed Baia de Guanabara on a jet cataraman - a 10 mts journey costing R 5. - then a short walk inland to a commercial building, where the Modeling Agency is located ( asked not to identify the agency ). Met and had a beer with the owner, who calls himself "Jaquar" ( a character & a monger ) - while waiting for 3 aspiring young models to arrive.
It was an interesting session to watch these cute shy non-pro aspiring models, being photographed, while slowly being coaxed to taking off their garments untill they were bashfully nude.
On the way out, FOBU informs me that this building has a couple of cheapo casa's, but unfortunately closed at this late hour.
Took the ferry back to Praca XV de Novenbro - R1.80 for an 30 minutes ride towards the lights of Rio.
"Jaquar" now invites both FOBU & myself to a Model show for aspiring young models organised by another Model Agency in Cinelandia. "Jaquar" would introduce us as LOL - representatives of an American Model Agency. The show was held at the "Noite e Dia" club on Rio Branco across from Praca Floriano in Cinelandia.
About 30 cute slender, lithe models flaunted their natural talents in thong bikinis to a appreciative private audience & fashion photographers.
I mingled in among the photographers and took pictures of this event. But dont think that I will send photo's of these young non-pro models to be posted in WSG.
Next posting - Sex clubs near Guarulhos - the aeroporto of Sao Paulo -
( will be posted in other areas & followed by posting on Manaus )
Ate Logo
Ceylon1 (WorldTraveller aka Charles )
I have been reading about the idea of the Rio Police fingerprinting US citizens as they enter the country. Is this going on or is it just idle speculation. Here is one of the articles:
http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000086&sid=afKqyAKrdgK0&refer=latin_america
You can see by the article that the City is fearing that this might deter more tourists.
Grabin Buns
grabinbuns:
it's not an idea, they're doing it. from what i heard it takes 1.5hrs to be processed. my friend is on his way to Rio as i type this. i'll have more to report tomorrow afternoon after i contact him. in 12 days it will be my turn when I return to Rio :D
as a virgin poster to wsg i’d first like to thank you guys for all for the excellent information here. i live in rio but travel all over the world and have often looked for tips on a new destination in these forums. now it’s time to put something back which i hope some will find useful or at least interesting.
let’s start with the cidade maravilhosa where recent statistics show that women in the state of rio de janeiro are possibly the most unfaithful in brazil with 35% admitting to having an affair in a study carried out in 13 brazilian states by the psychiatric institute of hospital das clínicas in são paulo. the cariocas were closely followed by the gauchas (rio grande do sul) with 32% and the potiguars (rio grande do norte) with 30%.
i prefer meeting non-pro brazilian women of all social classes but since reluctantly getting married for residence, i’ve begun to explore the range of pro and semi-pro activity in this great city. the termas/leisure clubs have been well covered already but i have a few comments to make on them and other aspects of rio.
l’uomo, copacabana – i love the excellent strip show some done in costume which is a good way to check out the girls in a relaxed fashion. i particularly recommend valeria from fortaleza who was working there in august last year. nice breasts, golden tan, long curly hair, enjoys her job and very hot indeed. i love it when they say “feel free to cum in my mouth”. unfortunately i had to rush to catch a plane so no time to extend this great session.
club 502, centro – not that many good looking women however there are a few well worth a shot if you like darker women as i do. i entered the main bar on a friday evening last month to see a gorgeous slim mulata pole dancing with an eager crowd watching however she was quickly snapped up by a customer after her act. it took me a while to see anyone else interesting until i met [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] at the bar, morena clara (dark hair, light brown skin) with a fantastic bunda (bum). after getting to know each other better in the quieter back room we had an hour of great sex upstairs. she said she used to work at centaurus until being fired for seeing americans outside of the terma. this club is cheaper than the more popular termas with an hour in a cabine costing r$92 however they can get very busy and be disorganised so watch your order paper is filled out correctly.
solarium, jardim botânico – went here last month on a sunday to see what the mixed saunas were like as group sex is another of my interests. as others have mentioned not a lot going on with couples appearing to wait until the sauna is free before entering. a few couples were upstairs in the bar but i didn’t find the women that attractive and was soon distracted by the resident girls. after looking at two that interested me i decided on yasmin, long dark hair, fair skin and lovely large breasts, who cuddled up with me after an enjoyable time together. very friendly staff and reasonable facilities at this terma in my opinion.
copacabana beach - i have to admit to never having been inside help in eight years of visiting or living in rio and i generally avoid the visible meeting points for pros such as terraço atlântico and meia petaca unless friends particularly want to go there. copacabana prostitution has a bad image amongst the cariocas and when you’re resident here as opposed to visiting as a tourist, it’s probably a good idea to pay lip service to this somewhat hypocritical way of thinking. most of the pros and semi-pros i’ve met on the orla have been very pleasant people providing a service and earning a living although there are definitely a few dangerous ones to watch out for. at the other end of the beach near praça do lido, balcony bar is still the most popular meeting place for mainly darker women although mab’s restaurant still has its following and next door the no name bar has recently been transformed into the scotland yard bar with good clear or dark chopp (beer) on tap and a few pros looking for business.
there is a long list of good places to meet non pro women such as the samba clubs in lapa, the after work happy hour bars near praça xv, and chiko’s bar in lagoa which have already been mentioned in the forum. you do generally need good portuguese however some of the irish or british pubs like shennanigan’s, the irish pub and the lord jim tend to attract brazilian women who can speak english or are at least looking to practice.
any heterosexual guys whether resident or visiting rio, interested in menage a trois, swing or group sex who are discreet and can treat women with respect feel free to pm me.
more to come soon on macaé, brazil’s offshore oilfield capital.
bm rio
About girls and HIV: as far as I know, the girls from termas and agencies will not have intercourse (other than oral) without condom; there are massive campaigns against AIDs, everyone is aware of the necessity of wearing condoms.
Even if the condom breaks, it seems that all these termas girls go through a periodic check up; in case of any problem, the girl is immediately prohibited from continuing working.
So, if you wear condoms, the chances of you having a problem are very low (the condom would have to break; the girl would have to be infected; you would have to be unlucky to get the virus passed to you).
i haven't spoken to my friend that arrived today. he's VERY busy.
:D
the fingerprinting/photo process is taking longer. i've heard it's up to 8hrs!!! the city of Rio has filed a lawsuit to stop it. they're afraid it's going to hurt tourism.
Fellas,
Thanks for the apartment info. I will definitely consider your info/advice when renting an apartment.
Also, I will be in Rio from Feb. 11-Feb. 28 travelling by myself. If any of you are going to be in Rio during this time, drop me a PM so we can hook up and pick up some women!
Rios69
i finally talked to my friend who arrived in Rio yesterday morning. he said it took him 20 min to be processed. after getting his passport stamped, he was directed to another line. a digital pic and one thumb print was taken. he said there weren't that many americans in the flight.
That's good news, I leave on the 12th.
Has anyone considered to open an escort service in Rio to support our life style?
If I speak Portuguese, I will do it in a second. Low investment and easy access to girls. With a good management, one can take on these small local operators easily.
Thank you Chingon for the information. I was hating the thought of waiting in line for 8 hours.
CaptainNemo,
What would you do better then locals? Just curious.
Play
Hello all,
If anyone will be in Rio after Jan. 17th and want to hang out drop me a pm.
P.S. I signed up for Playboy's "event" on the 24th but as I'll be there a week beforehand it would be nice to hang out with others prior to the show :)
Just returned from another great trip to beautiful Rio. This was a short trip of only a weeks duration, but the whole Rio combo of great girls, weather, food and sightseeing is unbeatable even if it is only for a week.
I prefer going to the termas and did not go anywhere else on this trip. My visits included Centaurus, L'uomo and Monte carlo. My previous trip was in september 2003 and I would say that most of my favorites from then were still working at both centaurus and l'uomo. Both places did offer a few new faces, but overall a surprisingly low turnover rate.
Centaurus was a good as my last trip. I still think they have the best overall girls. The number of girls will vary from about 50-60. The downside is that prices are higher, some girls are too business like especially when the place is busy and they are to only terma to operate with a R20 tourist tax.
Having become a regular visitor I know the manager of the girls and quite a few of the girls too - this makes for a quite good and enjoyable time whenever I go there.
My sessions at Centaurus included the standard 40 minute programmes as well as several 1 hour threesomes in special rooms. The 40 minute programme costs R215 and the effort and enthusiam of the girl will vary considerably - although the sex has never been really bad. The latter will set you back about R800, but is highly recommanded as these sessions have been the best sex of my life. The girls will work harder to make you enjoy it because they know you paying them well - each girl will earn R270 from such a session they told me. If you decide to try a threesome here or at another terma I suggest you pick the frist girl yourself and then have her suggest which girl is to join you - if the girls are friends and get on well you will have a much better time in the room.
What sort of sex is available? I had straight intercourse in a number of positions, oral without condoms, CIM, anal and the two girls going down on eachother. For anal and CIM you will need to arrange this in advance as not all girls will do it.
The types of girls is pretty wide, but they only had 1 or 2 black girls. I like to think I am pretty demanding in terms of looks and I would probably be willing to go with atleast half the girls there. So no need to worry here.
L'uomo is a bit smaller, but also a bit more cosy than centaurus. I like the overall atmosphere here a bit better as the girls are more laidback and less business like.
There were about 30 girls or so on the nights I visited. I think about a third of them were within my strict looks requirement.
I did a few 40 minute programmes and also my first ever foursome. The latter was very interesting - two girls going down on eachother while I am working the third. Highly recommendable if you have the energy for three girls. I think the 1 hour foursome set me back about R700. A 40 minute programme is about R150 or so.
This trip I made my first visit to Monte Carlo, which is just a block from L'uomo. Same basic terma setup. I think there were app. 50 girls. The atmossphere was pretty good with some girls stripping. Sex was good and included both 40 minutes programmes and a threesome. Prices and quality of the girls is similar to L'uomo.
When comparing three termas my ranking would be Centaurus, L'uomo and Monte Carlo, but the best girl I had at Monte carlo was far better than the worst I had at centaurus. I think the best way to enjoy the termas is to try out several different ones as the quality of your experience depends a lot on your choice of garota.
I also arranged an date with two of my Centaurus favorites in a sex motel. We used Motel Vips in Leblon which I highly recommand as a high-end motel. For R215 we had a suite with a small pool, ocean view and some food and drinks. This was a very good setup as I knew from the previous night that both girls were very good in the bed ( and other places too ).
Finally I am making arrangements for one of my Centaurus favorites to visit me in Europe on holiday. Can't wait till she arrives.
I think that Captain has a great idea about opening an escort company that caters to hour hobby without all the hassle in-between. My own experience tells me that it can be done cheaper, better, and more profitable (and a lot more fun, too). If anyone is interested in this idea please PM me. I will be in Rio again from mid-January to mid-February and would like to discuss this with anyone interested.
I will be back in Rio in March, from 11-22, so if anyone wants to hook up let me know. I'm also asking for suggestions on side trips, as ten days just in Rio might get a bit old. I heard Buzios (sp?) was hot. Any other suggestions where I might go for a couple of days without having to fly? Thanks in advance!
Docsbill,
Agra dos reis is a nice day trip. You can rent a boat and cruise aroud beautiful waters and islands all day long. Buzios is nice but bring a girlfriend.
Rio
Rios69,
If your looking for an exceptional apartment check this one out. It really is the nicest apartment I have ever stayed in Brazil. Very "South Beach".
http://www.therioworld.com/penthouse.htm
My buddy Dave owns it. It is 1/2 block from help and the entrance to this 10th floor 3 bedroom palace is the gate between Meia Petaca and Havana. So you are right in the middle of things.
It has a massive big screen TV, DVD, stereo and hot tub in the living room overlooking the beach towards sugarloaf and another hot tub in one of the bathrooms.
Copacabana Palace wants to use it for VIP's so it shows you the quality of the apt.
Let me know if you want me to put you in contact with the owner.
Regards,
Rio Regular
Playboy
If I recommend a girl or a local operator recommends a girl, which girl will you choose? You probably will choose my girl since you know me from this board.
Escort business is no different than other businesses. You choose you target market carefully and try to differentiate your product offering from competitors.
3P for Escort marketing
Product (pussy in this case), Promotion and price.
CaptainNemo,
I like the idea, anyone else?
1) would this be described as a non profit organization ? :)
or
2) Are there interested mongers would be part owner and there for use the services of the biggest pussy factory in the world for free. This is definately a good topic for the convention on the Jan 22nd.
Ideas anyone ?
Go Play
Hey guys,
I will be going to brazil on the 19th for a family wedding in Curitiba and then to Florianopolis then to Rio. I will be in Rio on the 28 of Jan through the 2nd of Feb. I will want to check out the night life a couple of nights.
I was checking out some web sites and saw the prices on the sites and saw its 200.00r for 2hrs is this the full price or is it just to get the girl there to your room. Plus would it be better to go to one of the clubs and hook up with a nonpro or a pro from a club. Also I will be landing in San Paulo and have a six hr. layover is there a place I could get a massage duing that time I will be there about 12 am in the morning.
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Hey DocBill449,
I will be in Rio from March 17-27th. Since we didn't hook up in SF, I'll see in RIO! Stay in touch.
Escorts!
Why go with escorts when you have such a choice of girls at therma, HELP, Leme bars, etc. Better to pick up a girl from Therma for a drink/meal and have a GFE rather than pay top money for a hour or two in a hotel.
Still organizing an escort service might be a profitable venture with the new an inexperenced guys.
Best bet is to learn Portuguese and make private arrangements with the girls.
Hey,
I'm a newbe to the Board.
Looking for information on flights to Rio from the states.
Thanks for all replies.
David
Langer, Escorts are cool because for the most part paying for a 2 hr session with an escort is less than 40 minutes with a termas girl. Plus you can have them come to your apartment or hotel and relax, have room, have drinks, take a shower, you can feel at home. And when it is over she has to leave not you. Plus you can do this at any time of day or night while Termas and Help are not open any time of the day or night. Plus most of these girls are young middle class girls from Barra doing it to make extra money while they go to college. Most of them wouldn't be caught dead in Help, they view Help as a place for favela dwellers. Don't get me wrong I like Help and I do go to a termas now and then and usually once during a trip I have an escort delivered because I liked her picture on the website even though they don't always look like their picture they are always young and fresh. The only Leme bar thats any good is Barberella's and they aint cheap.
Capt Nemo and other escort service pimp wannabe's:
Guys, I know it's a nice dream, but I hope to hell you are not serious. Local escort service and termas owners, if they survive for more than a few months, do so becuase they are very well connected with both the police and the rest of the Rio criminal underworld (remember, prostitution is legal in Brazil, pimping is not). If you try to compete with them, you will quickly wind up jailed, deported, or dead, depending on who you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off first.
Just some friendly advice,
tomb
Tomb,
Is it really that bad down there?
Play.
Tomb,
I hope that you have not been watching to many episodes of the Sopranos. I have been an observer of this type of business everywhere from the US to Odessa and it's just a matter of following the rules; which are obvious to anyone. There are dozens of these type of institutions in Rio and an easy issue to deal with. I know from second hand experience.
also, the threat is not just from the existing termas operators. even these operators do not bother with you, the cops and the underworld will constantly come "visit" with you such that you won't have a viable business. for a termas to exist and be profitable for years, you are talking about some significant "power" of connection behind it.
think about it, the cost of starting a termas is really minimal but why the barrier to entry is so high that for years, you only see six termas in the entire Rio. actually i am amazed some of you are so naive.
Guys,
I am fully aware of the shady side of such business. Nobody is a fool here. It is just an idea for further marketing research.
People in the business are to make money, even for gangster. With that, enough said.
There is no business like sex business.
Hey fellas,
I think that some of you are equally ignorant of operating a sex business. Why so many people see just the 'police-threat-thug-gangster' side of this profitable business is beyond me. I think that some of you are watching to much TV and not focused on reality. Of course there is some risk, but I think being an employee of WorldCom or Enron for the last 10 years has been far more dangerous. Just be aware and the sex business is very profitable and rewarding.
a word of advice to you guys going to rio for an extended holiday . get a local carioca to do the negotiating for you if you want to rent an apartment . you will save a lot of bucks . i am going to rio at the end of this month for 7 weeks and one of the locals ( my girlfriend) has organised a really nice apartment for me for the entire stay for 1500 reais . this is what most of you guys pay for a hotel for less than a week . this is an amazing price considering it incorporates the carnival period . the location is excellent too . it is in a cul de sac street ( so nice and quiet ) 2 streets back from the beach on the southern end of copa . very close to ipanema.
you guys watch out for taxis too . they are ripping us all off . get to know some guy with his own car if you intend to do a bit of sightseeing around rio . the average price for one hour is about 15 reais . my girlfriend lives over 2 hours away from copa and she can get a taxi for 20 reais but she says with some difficulty sometimes . a lot of the taxi drivers prefer to stay around the zona sul picking up clueless high paying gringos .
Fellow Rio Lovers,
I am organizing the wildest trip on earth to Rio for carnaval this year. I have first right of refusal on my friends totally plush apartment (http://www.therioworld.com/penthouse.htm). It will include the nicest apartment in Rio for 7 days, complete with tour guide, and options like 2 days in Sao Paulo to visit Bahamas and Cafe Foto/Bomboa, trip to Sugarloaf, trip to Christ the Redeemer, day trip to Angra dos Reis, day trip to Barra. I have done this for the last three consecutive years and I can tell you it is an epic party! I have taken bachelor partys, executive retreats, and my best friends.
This is a tentative schedule with the Sao Paulo option.
Depart US Sunday February 15th, arrive Sao Paulo February 16th.
Monday - Ralax by the pool, Dinner nice restaurant, then Bahamas, late night option Kilt/Vagao or Love Story
Tuesday - Relax by the pool, Dinner nice restaurant, Drinks at Monte Cristo, then Cafe Foto/Bombar
Wednesday - Fly to Rio (45 min flight), Check into Palace, hit the beach, off to Centaurus, then to one of the hotest clubs in Rio, Baronette, then hit Help Until Dawn
Thursday - Hit the beach in Ipanema, Go try on our costumes for the Samba Parade, dinner at Mario's, Centarus/Baronette/Help Until Dawn
Friday - Hit the beach in Barra, Pick up our costumes for the Samba Parade, Dinner at Porcao, Dance in the streets at local festivals in Copa. Barbarella, off to kick off Carnaval at Scala Until dawn
Saturday - Hit the beach, Sugarloaf, Christ tours, Dance in the streets at local Carnaval Festivities, Dinner in Copa, Barbarella, then Help for live Samba band samba party Until Dawn
Sunday - Hit the beach or trip to Angra for the day, Hit the hippe market in Ipanema, Dance in the streets at local Carnaval Festivities, hit the get cheap seats to see the samba parade, then Help for live Samba band until dawn
Monday - Hit the beach, rest, dinner, dress up in our Samba school outfits go sit in our VIP seats, Go down dance with our school, come back watch the rest of the schools parade until dawn, watch the sun come up on Christ the Redeemer
Tuesday - (Last hurrah) Hit the beach, Free day to buy souvenirs or day trip, dinner, Centarus, Barbarella, Help
Wednesday - Hit the beach say goodbye, plan for next year.
Arrive US February 26th
I know many of you hate Help but during Carnaval it is a great club. The restaurant next door opens its outdoor balcony and indoor dance floor for total hip hop, then the other side is total mayhem. Very Ibiza-like.
I am looking for three gentlemen that want to step up to this party. We need to act quickly. Are three men ready to run this gauntlet with me this year?
Rio Regular
One more note.
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Rio Regular
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DocBill449
Check out Buzios as you suggested, just 110 miles north east of Rio by taxi is about 2.5 hours. Downtown is Rua das Pedras (Stone street) this is where all the bars and cluns and restaurants are. If you have a special girl you want to bring fine but if you don't believe me there are some there to be had. Besides the tourists which will be from Argentina, Chile and other Latin American countries and Europe there are plenty of women who work in the shops and stores in Buzios. Some of these women are retired programas from Rio so they are available on a part time basis others are full time and work the bars there. You have to be patient and have exposure they are there. Check out www.buziosonline.com
Any more Mongers interested in the Puss business, please let me know. I'm doing my research as we speak, should have some results by convention on Jan 22nd, please pm for more info, about 15 members sofar.
Go play.
Cab tips.
Anton is totally right in the money on dishonest cabbies. However, if you must take cab, avoid ALL cabs which are waiting at your hotels or standing around. those are the worst. my experience, any cabs on the move or on the go are usually honest. my personal experience is, out of 100 cabs on the go, i may find at most 1 or 2 dishonest. however, for cabs standing or waiting for tourists, it's without exception, 100% are dishonest.
as to car rental. seems like most car rental cost at least R150 or more for a day. throw in the expensive gasoline, driving your own vehicle may not be much cheaper unless you drive for very long distance.
When it comes to Rio taxi ,they are all dishonest and will rip your ass off as far as you are a tourist and don,t speak the damn portuguese or speaks a little.Agree or disagree ,l careless uptill they rip you off,then you know l,m right and got nothing against some of those fools.90% of Rio Taxi Drivers are blood suckers .l started riding buses or using the Metro because of them except if l have a chica with me.My 2 cents
Part Two
And yet…now… what exactly is it about Brazilian girls? Why cannot Muri share the worldwide admiration for them? Mariana is a gorgeous woman, with slanted bright black eyes, long glossy jet hair, pouting lips and regular teeth, breasts augmented to perfection, smooth flat stomach with love’s pink rose nestling beneath a fragrant wisp of fur, above trim shapely legs and a hard perky little bottom… an eight or nine for those colleagues who employ a points system. Applying mouth to pussy, Muri (a literary gent) recalled the words of one of the first ‘discoverers’ of Brazil, who said of the Amerindian women:
"Ali andavam entre eles três ou quatro moças, bem novinhas e gentis, com cabelos muito pretos e compridos pelas costas; e suas vergonhas, tão altas e tão cerradinhas e tão limpas das cabeleiras que, de as nós muito bem olharmos, não se envergonhavam… ... uma daquelas moças era toda tingida de baixo a cima, daquela tintura e certo era tão bem feita e tão redonda, e sua vergonha tão graciosa que a muitas mulheres de nossa terra, vendo-lhe tais feições envergonhara, por não terem as suas como ela." (Pedro Vaz de Caminha, May 1500)
Murilloa’s free translation:
"There were three or four girls with them, really young and pretty, with long raven hair down to their arses. Their pussies stood out tight and hairless: we lads stared hard, but they weren’t embarrassed… …one of those chicks was made up from head to foot with that paint they have, and let me tell you she had all her curves in the right places, with a pussy to die for – most women back home would eat their hearts out to have a sexy little package like that."
For five hundred years, the descendants of Vaz de Caminha and those of the Amerindians have been joyfully fucking. The happy result can be seen on every beach in Brazil, and in the wider world wherever sex is to be had for money: pretty brown girls, who take their sex as naturally as eating, or sleeping. In fact, this may be the heart of the problem for Muri. Brazil sex seems rather matter of fact, humdrum, mechanical, and lacking in true spice. They seem to perform one of the deepest darkest mysteries of life as if it were eating breakfast or washing one’s hair. Something like the Brazilian TV soaps, so superficially full of sound and fury and intrigue and sex and violence and passion but so empty and automatic. Or more controversially, compare Brazilian football, so much-vaunted and so many times champion… but who would not really rather watch a game from the English or Argentine league?
Muri contrasts Mariana with the woman he currently visits weekly, a mother 30 years old, on sale for €40 in a suburban house, by no means eye candy like Mariana, in fact rather more sexy in her clothes than out of them; a little thin and awkward in some movements; a fairly experienced prostitute but still struggling with a sense of shame; who blushes and then laughs if you talk dirty, who removes her panties and folds them away with her back turned (in fact Muri has cured her of this habit); who shivers with mingled thrill and shock when you put her hand on your hard prick; who is at first reluctant to be kissed or eaten, and then gives way in a rush; who doesn’t often have an orgasm but when she does get there, it’s genuine and gives her surprise and joy: who seems – whether you’re her first client or her tenth – to be fully involved in the hot sweet mystery of man and woman, that complicated cocktail of delight and disgust, pleasure and pain, rather than just being a garota doing a sexy playful dance with a man in front of a mirror.
Better stop. Muri is starting to sound like DH-fuckin’-Lawrence. Let it be stressed that he has no prejudice against Brazil, on the contrary admires the place and its people. That’s why he would like to feel more of an authentic passionate jolt when he couples with one of its daughters. Perhaps a colleague can respond meaningfully on this board. Otherwise… well… if at first you don’t succeed… Muri will just have to try, try and try again, a task that is not likely to be unpleasant.
Curiosity was whetted by reports on Adonis Club. Christmas dealt severely with Muri’s wallet, but by January 9th he had assembled the necessary wad. If you dislike rambling reports: Part One is information and a standard narrative, and in Part Two, for the leisured connoisseur, Muri wrestles with a great existential question: Brasileiras. (how charming: spell check wants to change that to ‘Broilers’…)
Part One
Adonis could not be more safe or central, 200 metres from Marquês de Pombal, focal point of the Metro. The discreet, easily found entrance is Rua Braancamp 22, with a pleasant café next door for refreshment ‘before and after’. Reception is on the first floor; your chosen companion takes you to the third. Service is friendly; the installations are comfortable and hygienic. Six very attractive young women were on duty at 1730 on Friday. ‘Adonis’ is exactly what a €100-an-hour brothel in the business section of a 21st century European capital city should look like. Recommended, gentlemen: though there’s no need entirely to forsake cheaper pleasures in dingier surroundings.
Confronting six fine girls in provocative clothing, Muri had difficulty making up what passes for his mind. The hostess helpfully suggested choosing two, but quite apart from the extra cost, this would be too much meat for one old dog. The decision favoured Mariana, a petite dark Brazilian of 23 years. She escorted her new friend upstairs, touched, caressed and squeezed, stripped slowly, gave oiled massage, shared a shower, masturbated while Muri dried himself, discreetly rubbered him, adopted ‘69’ to begin, then eased through the positions, offering zestful encouragement, and faking orgasm just before Muri unleashed his. Pleasant ensuing conversation was mainly about Brazil: she will shortly return after several months in Lisbon earning rather more than she did at the supermarket checkout back home. Her cheerfulness, optimism and love for her homeland were touching and appealing. A second shot is part of this deal, but Muri, already lost in thought (see below) didn’t press for it and nor did Mariana. The experience was certainly worth three figures.
Gentlemen,
Allow me to explain the following two reports, the first of which at least may seem out of place. It describes an establishment in Lisbon, Portugal, which along with London is the author's main area of operations.
A long way from Rio, you will say, so what the fuck is this guy doing crapping up our board? Well, quite apart from 'mother country' sentimentality there is plenty of useful action in Lisbon for gentlemen who would like to speak Portuguese with a different accent, and as well as the local talent, Lisbon features Africans, Russians, and yes, of course, Brazilians.
A lot of our Brazilian girls are here to study, or having a year out of university, telling their middle class parents back home that they are working as cleaners or nannies or waitresses in order to see a bit of the old continent... what they are really doing is seeing old cocks like mine, and accumulating plenty of Euros by draining them.
Part two of my report contains some reservations about Brazilian girls - although I've not been to Brazil for years I have fucked many a Brasileira, the last one yesterday. Perhaps my doubts will annoy some locals and some fans of the Brazil scene, but I thought I would post this on the Rio board - Brazil HQ as it were - and await responses.
If the whole idea fills you with boredom, skip my reports, go straight out to Help, or to your favourite Termas, and enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.
Bom ano
Muri
Muri:
Voce eh romantico de mais... sentimentalismo lusitano. Relaxe e goza, meu irmao! ;-)
Serio, gostei do que vc escreveu, mas acho que esse problema de "transa trivial" nao eh por causa de ser brasileira. Eh a differenca entre transar com uma menina ou com uma MULHER. Mulherona tb existe no Brasil, para quem tem olhos para achar-la.
Abraco do alem-mar,
Tom B.
Hey all,
Is this escort agency in Rio - some really nice looking girls on
their webpage: www.chasemodels.com.br.
GK
I agree with Tom B on this in that there can be a big difference between a girl in her twenties and one in her thirties. Whilst a brothel experience is almost always fun sexually it usually lacks the aesthetics of a relationship whether money is involved or not.
A great bit of writing however Muri and a provocative question!
BM Rio
Genghis Khan
I took a look at the site and yes the models are very nice. I would say that this escort service is from Sao Paulo only because of the many girls whose face is showing. Mostly all Rio escort service cover the face of models on their sites, Sao Paulo agencies for the most part do not.
Hi Guys,
I'll be in Rio Jan 24 - Jan 28 if anyone is on for meeting up for a beer send me a private message.
I agree taxis from hotels are a ripoff get a yellow cab on the street and use the meter. Be exta careful leaving Help. Also be careful of people including Gringos offering Apts, a lot of people are getting ripped off, don't pay more than Reals 2000 a month.
Langer
Ghengis et al,
Chase Models is from Rio. Check the phone number - area code 21. Also if you can read Portugues several of their models are reviewed in various Forums sush as Hotside, Sexdicas and GHBR. I should add that these forums are invaluable resources particularly if you are interested in agency girls. The most popular agencies currently are Karla Models, Scort Show, Escort girl and perhaps Casiascort. The reason: these Brazilian Foristas (as they call themselves) actually go out hire the girl from the agency and then give a detailed report on her performance, etc. (Called a TD - test drive!) This takes a lot of guess work out of the process. And by the way the girls cost $R100 for 2 hours!
For my two cents, I no longer bring garotas back to my room. Mostly for security reasons, but also the surcharge now imposed by the hotels in Copa is rediculous. There are a lot of fine motels available complete with the necessary toys and room service that make it more fun.
Safado, if you read this I would love to come to the party...
BM Rio, tomb,
Thank you for reading my post with interest and appreciation. It's certainly worth considering that age not nationality is at stake here: perhaps Muri is reverting to his seventeen-year-old self who was always desperate to fuck his friends' moms...
Not out of the question that 2004 will see Muri in Rio or São P for some detailed research. Meanwhile happy hunting, gentlemen.
Até ja
Muri
Rio Regular,
Would you care to share a bit of info about the club you
mentioned - Baronette and where it is located?
GK
GK,
It is in Ipanema. It is one the the hot clubs for the hip young crowd. I know the owner and usually can get up to the VIP room upstairs. It is much like Peoples used to be before they closed it down. White leather couches beautiful people everywhere. It is not as hard core as SIX downtown. I like it because it is close to Copa.
Hidden in the mix are grils from Centaurus and the escort agencies. These are their nights off and go out with their friends. One of my buddies uncle owns Centaurus and he points out the girls that work.
It is not a place to pick up girls but a nice distraction before going into battle at Barbarella or Help. Very cool, very laidback with the best hip hop infused with samba I have ever heard.
RR
I'm considering my first trip to Rio and have a Question re going prices for the ladies from the Termas and Help Disco for:
a) Short Term
b) All night
PM is ok too and I hope someone can help please!
Baronneti
http://www.baronneti.com.br/
This club used to be Hippopotumus for many years in Ipanema, I used to go there in the 80's. Recently they changed it to be more update to Baronneti, this is a club for non pro's like Rio regular says its very hot but I know some escorts that go there and im sure if they're in there they might be willing to go to work.
Folks:
check the attached map to see how to get to Vila Mimosa, Rio's by far largest prostitution place.
To all Help fans:
believe it or not, the link below will get you to the discoteca Help homepage. There you can check out the photos they made of you (and your garota) when you were there last time....
http://80.78.233.178/
Charly,
Can you say more about Vila Mimosa? Have you been there? I heard it was pretty sketchy, albeit cheap. Worth it?
Amis,
I was in Help quite a few nights lately. I prefer an all night GFE. A lot of girls ask for 100 US Dollars right off the bat. But don't pay that price unless you really have to get relief. I never paid more than 200 Reals. I think I could have negotiated lower but I liked the girls I went with and thought 200 R was a fair price.
After the first night the prices with the same girl will naturally get lower anyway. One girl initially asked for 150 Real for a short time fling.
By the way, make sure you set the price in Real not Dollars. Some girls try to scam later by saying the agreed price was in Dollars not Reals, a cheap hustle. Also, one girl tried to hit me up for cab fare the next day saying it is customary. A great big BS to that one. I refused because I thought she was only a mediocre experience anyway. Just don't act needy or desperate and you can pull girls out of there at a good price. Remember you can always walk away and another girl awaits that is even better.
Arrived Rio today. At the immigration counter, they had a little computer web cam type camera and an electronic fingerprint scanner. Clicked my pic and scanned my index finger, total 5 minutes. I was one of the first in the line off the plane, delay might affect those further back. Personally, I was in the luggage area b4 my suitcase arrived, so no net delay. YMMV
As of today
Solarium Terma, 10 SW, 6-8 rating, 200R for an hour FS, (About $75).
30 SW hanging around OUTSIDE of Help Disco, rate 2-8, YMMV, wanted $150R ($55), for an hour in hotel.
Regarding Vila Mimosa, below is a website I found that has 16 photos of the place - showing the street scene, bars, garotas, and the rooms. These pictures are by someone named Olivia Gay. From what I can gather, she apparently is a photographer documenting the lives of prostitutes around the world, or something like that. Anyway, the photos give an idea of the scene at Vila Mimosa.
When in Rio, I have never made it up to VM. For details about it, however, check the postings by other members from November 2003.
In his message, Charly posted a small map of Vila Mimosa. Here is some perspective on where VM is located in Rio. His map shows the Sao Cristavao metro stop in the lower left corner. Sao Cristavao is on line 2, and is the next metro stop after Estacio. Estacio is the stop where line 2 branches off from line 1 coming up from Zona Sul. So, if looking at a map of Rio, Vila Mimosa is just to the NE of Maracana Stadium.
Anyway, check out the pictures if interested in VM.
http://www.oliviagay.com/p6_1.php?act=1&num=01&no=1
To all Hobbiest,
Heading down to Rio for a three week party and looking for a wingman....drop me a PM if you want to hook up and do some damage. I will arrive Tuesday the 20th.....Let's grab a beer and hit the termas/Help......
The Hammer
Fellow Mongers,
Still looking for more adventurers to head down to Rio de Janiero for carnaval this year. 10 days depart Feb 15th come back the 25th. Trip of a lifetime.
RR
can anyone recommend a place or person for a good therapeutic massage? relief is not necessary as that can be easily found. but a really good massage is not.
thanks in advance!
Hey guys,
I'm heading down to Rio with a few friends for Carnaval, Feb 18-26. After quite a few trips to Rio, I'm finally going to make Carnaval this year! If anyone's interested in meeting up, or just BSing about the Cidade Maravilhoso, send me a PM.
Thanks everyone for the posts, it helped me get my start in the hobby a few years back. I hope to start reporting during this trip! :)
I second your assessment of Help,
Gatorman. There is absolutely no point in paying any more than R$200 for 99% of the girls at Help for all night. Most will settle for even less if they like you and it is after about 2.30.am.
Whip Inflation Now! Remember that slogan from President Ford? (W.I.N.)?
Sexy and beautiful young girls at Help will be very happy with R$200. Don't even mention price until the morning, anyway, and give them R$200 on their way out of your room and they still will give you the performance of your life. DO NOT pay up front or you may get a dead fish performance. Like Jackson says in the Buenes Aires thread, why pay $75 for a steak dinner when you can get it for $50?
As for the immigration wait, it is negligible. I arrived on Sunday and I was in my ride within 30 minutes. That includes waiting to get baggage. I sat in the back of the plane and was one of the last in line. They now make Brazilians stand in line with everybody else through the first check point. Then, after you get your stamp, US citizens have to stand to the side to take a photo and get fingerprinted. However, by the time we get out the bags are just beginning to come out. So, basically, the wait does not effect you.
Luomo seems to have new girls. The one I was with said she started about 3 months ago. I was last in Rio a year ago exactly and I knew none of the girls this time (the bartender and the massage woman are the same).
Monte Carlo sucked on Domingo (Sunday). The girls had no energy. I do not think they like having to work on Sundays. Has anybody else noticed this somewha negative attitude?
I hate to say it because I used to love the place but Mab's is losing it seriously. There were NO hot girls there all day Sunday or Monday.
The No Name Bar is now Scotland Yard. I am not sure if it is a good spot yet. I pulled a black chick, Velma, last night. In the apartment she barely gave a BBBJ, then had the audacity to ask me to lick her. I fucked her for a while (not sure how long) and then she started complaining that she wanted to go home. I threw R$150 on the floor and told her to get the fuck out.
On Monday, a woman approached me and told me I should come back to the bar to see Velma. A lot of cariocas know me so I assume word spread about what happended. I am not going back there yet because I think that bar treats the European crowd better than Americans.
TJ
I have made big plans for a trip in March. I will do roundtrip of
my favorite hunting spots. The schedule is as follows:
27.february - Amsterdam
I plan to visit the Red Light District and
the high end club Club Elegance.
28.february - Barcelona
I plan to visit the show bar Bagdad and
the high end club Showgirls.
01-march - 04.march and
08.march - 11.march - Sao Paolo
I plan to visit several clubs among them
W, Cafe Foto, Jardim America, W Unico,
Bahamas and Millenium.
05.march - 07.march and
12.march - 13.march - Rio de Janeiro
I plan to visit several clubs and thermas among them
Centaurus, 4x4, Solarium, Help and Barbarela. Will also
try to do a little tourist business like visiting Sugarloaf
and Corcovado.
If anyone wants to meet, send me a PM.
GK
Hi Elmo!
Thanks for the great link!
Excellent photos: they give you a great impression on how it looks like at VM. I especially liked nos. 1, 3, 9, and 13
If you need someone to support your upgrade to senior membership - you know now who to ask!
Tchau, Charly
i was researching brazil for my upcoming trip. landed up at the following post. found it interesting and useful to other, though outdated. enjoy----> http://www.brazzil.com/archive.htm
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it's not just a tall story that brazilians are hot in bed. a new study shows that while americans take an average of six minutes for a sex encounter, brazilians are in no rush when it's time for pleasure, dedicating to the sexual act an average of 45 minutes. the same research also reveals that almost 17% of cariocas (those from rio) between the ages of 18 and 49 make sex each and every day. pure bragging? a little maybe.
this love for sex seems to have influenced the way prostitution is seem in the country. contrary to what most people might think, prostitution is not illegal in brazil, not for the person prostituting herself or himself anyway. foreigners have talked about brazilian sex professionals being as much interested in making a buck as in giving pleasure to themselves and to the client.
we haven't avoided slippery themes in the past. our article about torture in our latest issue provoked more than one tsk-tsk of disapproval. we have talked about child prostitution before -- there is nothing about this subject in our present cover -- and there was positive reaction including from the un which contacted some of the organizations dealing with the problem in brazil.
as our special february carnaval edition, this issue deals with the light side of life. we know about the seedy, criminal aspect of sex and we will probably come back to it another day. today we only want to offer a glossy portrait of the sex market.
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author: espinoza, rodolfo article title: more sex, please. we are brazilian publication name: news from brazil news from brazil volume & number: v.8; n.126 publication date: 06-30-96 page: p. 8
more sex, please. we are brazilian.
everything you ever wanted to know about sex in brazil and never was able to find at your usual sources. what brazilians think about sex, is it true that there are many more women than men in the country, are brazilians really the hottest sexual machine on the planet? and what about sex for sale? is prostitution legal? where is sex available, how much does it cost, what are the code words for men and women willing to pay to get laid?
this is not an exploitation piece on the serious and criminal problem of **** prostitution in brazil. it's a guide and a source of statistics for those interested in knowing the adult brazilian lover and the way he/she lives his/her sexual life.
despite its image of a latter-day sodom and the land of debauchery and licentiousness, the country that gave us the string bikini can be downright prudish. it's true that prime-time novelas (soap operas) use to boost up their ratings by showing unveiled genitalia and the annual street carnaval parade bares breasts and all the rest on the avenue, but there are no public nude beaches as in europe and the hard-core video and cd rom sex industry is far from flourishing as in the us. the real sexual revolution in brazil is very recent but the natives are catching up fast.
that brazilians and cariocas (natives of rio) are sensual is not just a myth. a new study from infoglobo has shown that 17% of cariocas between the ages of 18 and 49 have sex every day. and while the british spend an average of 3 minutes in a sexual encounter, the italians 8, the french and americans 6, rio's residents have a "whooping" average of 45 minutes per sexual session. only africans have the same high rate in this department. the infoglobo study, which listened to 300 men and 300 women, also revealed that 48% of cariocas have sex from two to three times a week. the profile of the average interviewee: a married person between the ages of 30 and 39 with a monthly salary of $1,200 or less.
in an interview with rio's daily o globo, psychoanalyst and sexologist sheiva cherman complained that the study hadn't asked for the duration of the relationship among those interviewed.
-- rio is the most sensual city in the world, she said. and there's a commitment from the population to keep this image. libido, however, doesn't mean practice of the sexual act. the sexual practice is more frequent when the love relationship is recent.
another revealing piece of information is that 55% of all women claimed to have attained orgasm every time they tried it, without ever having to fake it. hard to believe? the american magazine cosmopolitan interviewed their readers in 29 countries and concluded that lack of orgasm is a common and universal complaint. the world average for orgasmic women every time they go to bed is a mere 26.6%. only italians, with a climax rate of 53.2%, come close to their hot brazilian counterparts.
as for the men, they are a proud, boastful and maybe a tad lying lot. a full 64% of cariocas guarantee that they have never had a problem with erection during the sexual act. and the assertion was confirmed by 69% of their female partners. the secret there seems to be the fact that 78% of men and 89% of women like to share their sexual fantasies. machismo, however, is still strong. only 28% of the women, according to the research, have the initiative to start the love game in bed.
this openness, however, doesn't apply to the disclosure of adultery, which is still very common despite the aids fear. says biologist catherine lowndes from the escola nacional de saúde pública (national school of public health) which is part of the fundação oswaldo cruz, "due to social and biological factors, women are more susceptible to venereal diseases. they ignore several facts dealing with sexuality, have little bargaining power in sexual relations and are victims of sexual violence on a large scale. besides, there is a social acceptance of male infidelity and the habit of concealing it."
research conducted among the patients at the gaffr‚e guinle hospital in rio showed that 70% of the heterosexual men interviewed had had more than one sexual partner the previous year, while 7.9% had participated in group sex. all of this has contributed to the increase of aids among women who are getting the disease from their husbands and live-in lovers.
the results from a national datafolha research project about sexual behavior among different professional categories, however, show a much smaller rate of infidelity. the study that was ordered by the central geral dos trabalhadores (cgt), a national confederation of workers, included 3,644 men and women in seven brazilian capitals.
as expected, the research revealed that necessity also makes fidelity. men and women more likely to stray were those with jobs that allowed an alibi for their sexual escapes. so, while 21% of metalworkers admitted to adultery this number increased to 27% among those working in construction.
the study also revealed how faithfulness is seen in different regions of the country. the national average of infidelity is 23%. cariocas appear to be just a little over this number, with an unfaithfulness rate of 29%, the same as gaúchos (those from rio grande do sul). in são paulo 19% of the workers acknowledge extramarital affairs and only 18% of the workers in belo horizonte (capital of minas gerais) admitted to infidelity, but the practice of sex outside the home is something common for 50% of those interviewed in bel‚m, capital of par , a national record in this study.
the male advantage
if the battle of the sexes is an unequal one all over the world, women in brazil have still another handicap: their sheer numbers. census data show, that among those brazilians between ages 15 and 49, there are 1.8 million more women than men in the country. that means an average of 95 men for every 100 women. in urban centers like são paulo and in the northeast this imbalance goes up to 85 out of 100.
some experts believe that this will contribute to 10% of brazilian women never having a chance to marry. according to census data, in rio de janeiro for example, the state where this difference is more pronounced in absolute numbers, there are 315,056 more women than men.
to complicate matters, while there are 4.2 million divorced or separated women, the number of men in the same situation is only 1.9 million. this shows what everybody knows: that it is much easier for a separated man to find a new partner than for a woman. the official numbers also reveal that 80.6% of the 37,000 divorced men who decided to remarry in 1994 chose not-previously-married women. as for widows, there are 4.5 millions of them in the country compared to 870,000 widowers.
this female disadvantage is explained by the so-called "solitude pyramid" theory. interviewed by the daily folha de são paulo, elza berqu¢, from unicamp's (university of campinas, são paulo) núcleo de estudos populacionais (center for population studies) explained: "women look at the top of the pyramid where the offer of partners decreases, while men look at the base which is larger. the matrimonial market always favors men."
this state of affairs has in practice encouraged the number of non-official marriages and in some cases even a kind of mild polygamy in which men have more than one partner. the rate of marriages has been decreasing. while there were 7.48 marriages for 1,000 people in 1986, these unions had fallen to 4.96 in '94. there were 763,000 weddings in 1994 compared to 1 million in '86, when the country had a smaller population.
in a 1992 study entitled "the contraction of the matrimonial market and the increase of consensual unions in brazil" two foreign scholars, american margaret greene and indian vijayendra rao suggested that society allowing men to have more than one partner makes it possible for women to be married at least once and helps to alleviate the problem of the deficit of available male partners.
selling dreams
match-maker agencies have been sprouting all over brazil. all of them, however, seem to have the same problem: more female clients than male ones. paimi (primeira agência internacional de matrimônios e informações - first international agency for matrimonies and information), for example, has been in business for 50 years and has offices in são paulo, rio and new york. with 3,000 clients, the cupid helper charges around $1,000 plus a bonus when there is a marriage. they say they have made "4,000 unions" including that of harry philippe mihalescu who is the owner and son of paimi's founder. their telephone in são paulo: (011) 221-9699.
apego -- (011) 543-2659 -- another match-maker company from são paulo has been recruiting their male clients aggressively even with ads in men's magazines. but really aggressive is partner's owner, who is known only as vicente and who goes personally to singles bars and night clubs to convince men to join his company. partner -- (051) 336-8036 is an agency from porto alegre (rio grande do sul).
happy end -- (011) 853-7466 -- has dozens of connections in the us and europe and more than 2,200 clients. to use the services of this company founded in 1992 clients pay around $1,000 and $1,000 more after 3 months of courtship. one of the newest kids on the block is apego -- (011) 543-2659 -- a service created by inge gruber, an austrian woman who sold her apartment and used the $80,000 she got to start the company last year. the cost here varies from $150 to $800 and the number of clients has already reached 500.
in recife, the brasil exterior agency -- (081) 421-3080 -- is specialized in finding husbands in germany for its clients. after seven years in business, the service which has a catalogue of more than 1,000 women, has contributed to close to 200 marriages. in an interview with veja magazine last year, lindinalva santana ferraz, the company's owner declared, "we don't admit sexual tourism or gold-diggers." every time there's an "i do" ferraz gets rewarded with $1400.
contrary to what we may think, most of lindinalva's clients are not poor girls looking for an easy way out of their misery. by and large they are middle-class women who have a college degree or at least have finished high-school. by the way, completed high-school is one of the requirements to make the list. many times they are women disillusioned with brazil and brazilian men. their average age is 20.
according to ibge (brazilian institute of geography and statistics), brazilian women start their sexual life around 19. but this age has been lowering recently mainly in urban centers. pregnancy among early teens has been also on the increase and this is due not only to a more benevolent view towards sex. biological factors also play a role: every ten years menarche (the first menstrual period) occurs four months earlier. in the '90s the average age for girls to have their first menstruation is 12.
pregnancies among girls between 13 and 15 years of age have doubled in the last decade and a half, still based on ibge's numbers. close to 8,000 children were born last year to mothers who were 15 or younger. in the late '70s this number was around 3,700 a year. another 600,000 children are also born to 16 to 19 year old mothers every year. this number, although bigger, has been stable for many years. the situation is similar for poor and well-to-do teens, but for the richer girls, the use of abortion is much more prevalent.
little *****houses all over
another side of the situation of inequality between the sexes is the rampant increase of prostitution and related services. to hear some people, every brazilian woman except the mother, the sister, the wife and the daughter of the person speaking, is willing to go to bed with the first stranger, for the right price.
the dozens of classified ads under headings like acompanhantes (escorts), casas de massagem (massage parlors), termas (sauna houses), all code names for prostitution, show that there are plenty of women, and men for that matter, willing to make a buck on the meat market. on a recent sunday, daily folha de são paulo had 101 offers under escorts, from abigail ("20, top model from the '80s, brunette, long hair, hotel/motel. $200 tel.: (011) 607-9001) to ymaeda ("burning japanese, your dream girl -- (011) 693-8007).
in bras¡lia, the capital of brazil, there are more than 30 prostitution agencies, all installed in residential areas, which cater to the tastes of the men and also a few women in power. visitors to the city are showered with cards and ads from night clubs like queen's, amore mio, flor amorosa, all fronts for prostitution, as soon as they arrive at the airport. the enticement continues in hotels and places where tourists usually gather.
prostitution is not illegal in brazil. what is illegal is pimping. maintaining a place for sexual encounters is also against the law. to avoid being caught
by a zealous law enforcer, many of the places present themselves as legitimate businesses charging only for beverages and other services, letting the negotiations about bedding be decided between the client and the prostitute.
prostitutes can be found all over the country. in some towns in the interior they live together in an area generally known as zona. in cear , the red light district is called curral (corral); in rio grande do sul, viveiro (nursery or aviary); and in minas gerais cor‚ia (corea). prostitution is also common on national roads and big city streets. in brazil, motels generally charge by the hour and are utilized more as love nests than places for a family or a business man to spend the night.
"the world sex guide", which is available on the internet, has very little about prostitution in brazil. but it presents the personal accounts of men who have been to rio, são paulo and recife and who have met prostitutes.
an anonymous french guy, for example, presents himself as having "a good knowledge of brothels in brazil, due to my frequent journeys there during the past five years". he talks mostly about recife and divides prostitution there into three categories: garotas de programa (program girls), mulheres de bordel (brothel women), and vira bolsinhas (turn purses -- girls who ply their trade on the streets.
according to the french libertine, the garotas de programa are easy to spot in public places like restaurants and bars. "they try to make eye contact, especially if you are dressed like a gringo. how old you are doesn't mean a thing. they know exactly when to talk about money." a motel will cost from $15 to $50 according to this report.
he also describes in detail what happens when the garota and the john get to the bedroom: "the girl will take off her dress and you go together with her to the shower. she will take you to bed when you seem clean enough. she will touch you, suck you (without a condom if you don't ask to put one on), and you can fuck her as much as you like, in as many positions as you want. she will dress your buddy with a condom before fucking. take your time, as there is no problem of time with her. she is not a "*****" and what she would like is to stay with you all night and you can come in her mouth if you want."
the french lecher cites go-go bars at praça da boa viagem as good places to pick up women and the cravo e canela bar at rua das creoulas in downtown. as for brothels, he cites the twenty club at rua luiz de farias barbosa, 20 at boa viagem beach. he describes the place: "the girls are the nicest i've ever seen in brazil. when you enter, mama-san gives you the prices. it was $180 on may 1995. you will pay her directly when you leave, like you would in a good restaurant. for the money you can pick up any girl you want. the best is to drink something with her and when you are ready just say vamos (let's go). the sex itself takes 1 hour for $150."
for years european tour companies, mainly the german ones, have been exploring the sexual tourism in recife (pernambuco), fortaleza (cear ), salvador (bahia), and more recently macei¢ (alagoas). since assuming the ministry of industry, commerce and tourism in january of 1995, minister doroth‚a werneck has been talking directly to travel agents in europe to convince them that brazil has much better attractions than its women, things like beautiful places and good businesses.
southern call-belles
porto alegre offers a special service by fax for those clients interested in seeing the merchandise before buying it. the d¢ris agency, whose girls seem all to have just stepped out from a photo session for a men's magazine and whose ages are between 18 and 23, has been using the photofax since last year. the service became a hit and more than 85% of the business is now done through it.
half of the girls, however, still refuse to be photographed, worried that the picture will fall on the wrong hands like a friend or relative who doesn't know their line of work. the price: $240 for two hours of company and sex. full service for the whole night costs $600. zero hora, a daily from rio grande do sul cites luciane, one of d¢ris's girls, saying, "i had a hard time reaching orgasm before. but now that i know that i am being paid i come every time."
in rio, the vila mimosa, a zona in the suburbs that housed more than 1,000 prostitutes had been razed at the beginning of the year to make room for a residential complex called cidade nova. this didn't prevent the world's oldest profession from continuing to flourish in the so-called cidade maravilhosa. these were naturally poor girls.
sex is being seen as a gold mine for many professionals who are abandoning their more conventional jobs to invest in sex-related endeavors. one of them is william atella, who abandoned a career in an engineering firm to start anew as a modern gigolo. in 1994 attela used $30,000 he got from his severance pay to rent and remodel a house in jacarepagu that became a clube privˆ (another code word for *****house) called paradise house.
last year, already a rich man, he opened a second paradise house, this time at barra da tijuca. in an interview with weekly magazine isto , the engineer turned pimp, explained why aids doesn't scare his clients: "here the girls are always tested for hiv."
as for the upper crust of prostitution in the city, according to a recent article from rio's main daily o globo, the mafia is controlling it. agencies such as ipanema models, rita modelos and roberta modelos offer services of women, sometimes models and magazine covers, who don't charge less than $500 per program and can cost as much as $5,000. the money paid is normally split half and half between the call girl and the escort agency, which is in charge of preparing books with pictures produced in studios and placing ads in major newspapers and publications for tourists. in this market, 25 is the age limit before compulsory retirement.
call girls, for whom the standards are much laxer, advertise by the hundreds in o globo, o dia, and jornal do brasil, rio's three largest dailies. there are also men announcing their services like andr‚ luis, "college degree, loving, tender, 28. catering to demanding women and couples -- as long as the man is a voyeur. personal care in every sense of the word. have safe sex, use camisinha (little shirt -- condom). visa accepted. tel.: (021) 295-2053 -- 24 hours."
camilla and ronald presented themselves on a recent sunday in jornal do brasil as a married couple. "he: a real sexual lion. she: a glutton and super female. together or separate. no one will be disappointed. check it out! (021) 255-5887."
it's symptomatic that the ubiquitous sex-phones -- as those from some weekly tabloids in the us -- appear in o globo and jornal do brasil under "termas e servicos de massagem", the same place where "models", "escorts", "strip dancers" and "masseuses" sell their wares. by the way, to avoid problems with the law, which is very serious about protecting the ****, these erotic talk conversations are generated outside the country. only rio has created a system using special cards and passwords for those willing to call them. caribbean islands, hong kong, san marino and even the faraway ex-soviet republic moldavia are used for the telesex services, which can charge $3 for a minute of conversation.
bars, boates, beaches, brothels
the action in rio is also on the beaches. a famous gathering of prostitutes in the afternoon is in front of the othon palace hotel at copacabana beach and at the tables at the meia pataca bar. they charge from $40 to $100 for a quickie, hotel being extra. first class hotels are known to play hard and not allow the entrance of prostitutes. but others like debret and caprice seem to derive most of their money from these sexual trysts.
the termas present themselves as massage parlors, but are only a façade for *****houses. places like o para¡so aqui (paradise is here) -- rua dezenove de fevereiro, 123, botafogo -- offer sauna, bar, cable tv and "relax" which is a code word for sex. the prices can vary from around $30 (ped gios) to $300 (aeroporto).
some hotels act as agents for termas. they offer a discreet helping hand. the massage parlor brasiltand from botafogo for example, usually sends a car to pick up a client, when a hotel calls. for about $200 the tourist gets transportation, a suite and a girl.
at night, the sex scene gets even hotter in the boates (night clubs) around rua princesa isabel, near copacabana beach. two of the better known places are mab's and help, both at avenida atlƒntica. the boys sell themselves in places like the ball (praça serzedelo correia), maxim's bar or incontros (posto 6). the tab for drinks can go up very fast in these places while strip-tease shows and live sexual acts are presented. close to this area some very attractive women are really men.
talking about his experiences in rio, a contributor to the world sex guide wrote: "the best place is help discotheque. when i first went there i thought i had died and gone to heaven. picture a combination of a high school prom and soul train where all the girls are selling pussy. usually during the season there are at least 300 of the most beautiful girls in the world there. all colors. none ugly. none older than 25. the price for a superstar is $100 for all night." and he concludes boastfully, "in rio, pussy is available 24 hours a day and reasonably priced. i personally did 11 girls in eight days and spent less than $1,000 total in 1995. i carry a piece of paper with me at all times that says, "brazilian prostitute". i read it often, each time i fall in love. but remember that you will not get any free pussy in rio. during carnaval pussy flows like water. you must see it if you are to be considered a true sex friend."
são paulo's meat market
the latest temple to hedonism, a true xanadu of sex, is bahamas, a club that opened its doors in são paulo last january. the pleasure castle has carrara
marble (the same favored by michelangelo) on its floors, 23 suites, swimming pool and sauna, and cost $2.5 billion to be built. paulista (from são paulo) farmer oscar maroni filho, the owner, is very happy with the investment, however.
the cash register starts ringing the moment the client enters the bahamas door and 250 customers have been visiting the novelty every day. he pays $50 just to get in. a few hors d'oeuvres raise the bill very fast to $150. add $300 for the girl and $40 for using the suite for one hour and it's easy to understand why maroni filho is asking himself why he hasn't left his 1000 plus cows before.
men without deep pockets can choose from a myriad of other places in são paulo. an american businessman who went there at the end of last year told the world sex guide about his sexual experience there around the são paulo hilton hotel, where he stayed, and gave some pointers:
"from the hotel just walk left to the first street and then make another left about half a block to a street known as bento freitas. there, immediately go right and walk a block or two. you'll see a whole bunch of bars with sexy women willing to please you. there'll be no trouble finding them. the women are not only physically beautiful but kind and sweet, and i guarantee you'll be tickled to death."
and he continues: "drinks are expensive, so my advice is not to stay too long. just find the girl you like, chat for a while, negotiate a price (about $50 for full service), pay the tab and take her with you. one of the business people i went to see over there told me brazilian sex workers are among the few in the world who actually enjoy their work. naturally i thought he was kidding. well, based on the beautiful girl i had that night, i can only say the man's observation is right on cue!"
not every one would agree with the american choice, even though bob dylan is said to have gone to my love (bento freitas, 344 - tel: (011) 259-2072) and enjoyed it. the area chosen by the sex-seeking tourist is considered dangerous at night and the whole neighborhood seems to be going downhill. transvestites are all over and police are frequently called to calm down those a little too much excited. things get a little more civilized inside the nightclubs where for around $15 anyone, including couples, can have a drink or two.
men unaccompanied will be approached immediately upon entering. but the girls for more desperate that they are cannot leave the bar before the client pays for two more drinks. for sex the girl will charge between $30 and $60. these so-called boates are located in the vila buarque neighborhood and is known as boca do luxo (the mouth of luxury) even though this name was given in an earlier and more prosperous time for the *****house fronts.
the next step in decadence is the boca do lixo (mouth of trash) where any possible glamour has disappeared. one example of this is the itatiaia building at alameda barao de limeira, 134. the ten-floor building has close to 150 women who work every day including saturdays and sundays from the time the building opens at 9 am to 9:30 pm when it closes. the itatiaia has been a temple to prostitution for 47 years. but it has seen much better times.
the crowd frequenting the building used to be mainly white collar workers. today, however, almost everyone is a blue collar. on pay days the itatiaia can get busy with more than 2000 men using the 19 apartments which have been
divided up in tiny wood partitions. there the customer takes an old and cranky elevator to the top floor and then starts coming down the stairway.
women in the corridors and on the steps practically throw themselves at the men and for $15 take them to a cubicle with a single bed -- the last couple bed was disassembled two years ago -- where the sex has to be fast (in 15 minutes the times is up) to make room for another girl who has caught the next victim. the money is split with the tia (aunt), the owner of the little rundown apartments which normally sports a sofa, an old juke box and a little fridge with beer. each tia works with 6 to ten girls who go back to their homes at the end of their work shift.
another example of zona vertical is the renda building at number 69 on rua dos andradas which is also a ten-floor edifice. as the itatiaia, the renda in decades past was considered one of the classiest *****houses in town. madams and workers on both buildings calculate that in the almost half a century of existence both *****houses have witnessed together around 20 million sexual encounters.
luxury trade
the classier and costlier action these days has moved to more upscale areas such as jardins and morumbi. many times they are a mansion among other residential mansions. this has not been without problem. just recently the city of são paulo was able to close down caf‚ photo, the most notorious of the single's bars being used as front for prostitution, which was installed in itaim. city hall, answering to complaints from caf‚ photo neighbors, invoked a zoning restriction to interdict the place.
maybe on the same level of notoriety is the antiqu rio, a place that dubs as an antique shop during the day metamorphosing itself into a bar at night. in both places, the girls are ostensibly presented as free lancers with no connection with the house. the bar is only used as a meeting spot and doesn't offer bed or other place for the carnal consummation. the idea is to escape the label of brothel. maintaining a *****house is a crime that can carry a prison sentence of up to three years.
recent official pressure against prostitution on the best neighborhoods seems to have only made the contemporary pimps even more brazen. dinho rocha, the owner of antiqu rio, bought the name caf‚ photo after the joint was closed and reopened the place in morumbi -- a neighborhood for the rich -- just to have it closed again soon after.
rocha, normally, very secretive, exposed himself so much, that a police commissioner recognized that face from old times when he was detained for possession of cocaine and revealed the truth. he was a she. and her name is vailde rocha veloso.
unrepentant and unashamed, she declared, "i didn't lie. i am a woman. i have a vagina. and i'm in a relationship with another woman for 12 years. i've never hid my real name.".
dinho or vailde has created a distinctive style: to deal only by phone and with people whom he knew or who had been indicated by someone he trusted. soon he possessed one of these precious and secret top-name lists as the ones held by some beverly hills madams like heidi fleiss. one of his clients, according to rocha, was a paraguayan politician for whom he had to send periodically
seven girls including one who had been in the latest cover of a man magazine.
the idea to create the antiqu rio came to dinho after a disastrous incursion in the legal side of business in 1992 when he lost $2 million in a furniture factory. but he still had money enough to spend $1.2 million to make the sophisticated antique shop. more than a meat market his place is an entertainment spot offering samba and belly dancers and some racier performers like the girl who circulates between the tables covered only with shaving cream.
sometimes a company rents the place for a private party, and a common attraction on these occasions is a sushi table where the center decoration is a naked woman. bachelor parties are also common at the antiqu rio. and how dinho recuperates his investment since officially he doesn't get a penny from the girls, the main attraction of the place? selling liquor, he says. a bottle of whiskey costs $350.
before having his place shut down, f bio puglisi, the founder of caf‚ photo, used to explain why his house was so successful: "here we don't have a girl who does programs, that girl that you call for a quickie. the women here are those who really enjoy the night."
there are at least 200 women -- all pretty, all very young, all very expensive -- who live from bar to bar, circulating among similar places like the caracol club (rua pamplona, 1115 - tel: (011) 288-5344; la colina pizzeria (rua heitor penteado, 474 - tel: (011) 65-5010; iii whisky (rua major diogo, 51 - tel: (011) 604-7031 and farwell (rua avanhandava, 16 - tel: (011) 258-2674).
these girls charge from $150 to $450 for a little action and they have an average income of $6,000 a month. some can make $20,000 or more. it doesn't happen every day but there are those who end up marrying a customer, getting an expensive jewel as gift, or being surprised even with a new car.
in a career with the shortest of life spans, these girls, who normally dream of becoming top models but give up because of the competition, end up making less ambitious plans like traveling to europe, buying a house or opening a boutique.
for swingers only
another option for those looking for sex in são paulo is the saunas mistas (coed saunas) where the women are prostitutes who work for the establishment. most of these houses are located in a strip of rua augusta closer to downtown, the other extremity of the street being flanked by sophisticated boutiques.
don't look for sophistication in the saunas, however. they offer a little bar and a small room with steam where some naked women wait for the hungry wolf. to get inside these places there is a fee that is typically less than $10. another $10 will guarantee a little cubicle with a bed. the price of sex is negotiable and is discussed directly with the girl.
they start by asking $50, but will settle for around $30 for a session that might last 45 minutes. before and after the coitus, the customer is invited to take a shower. the use of condom is mandatory. women are very pleasing and ready to satisfy almost any desire even those of men who would like to have sex with two girls at the same time.
the sauna places at rua augusta have names like caf‚ paris (on the 723 - tel: (011) 259-7871 and night house (at number 757 - tel: (011) 258-8414). the girls here are much less sophisticated than their colleagues from the single's bars. they are women like ana carolina, who declared in an interview to ele ela magazine:
"for the most part the customers here are looking for affection and a little relaxation. all they want is to cool down. i don't see myself as a sexual object. i simply fulfill fantasies and perform dramatic roles."
for couples in search of some excitement, são paulo offers also several swinger clubs. the paris texas club (avenida pomp‚ia, 678 - tel: 65-6785) which is a peep show during the week has room for the couples meeting on saturdays. for $40 (minimum consumption) couples are treated to a series of erotic games and plays. one of the favorite is the magic tent in which under total darkness a tent with a naked couple inside is brought to the room. through special holes opened in the tent's fabric, people are encouraged to touch the naked bodies as they please. in another game, well-hung boys chase after the wives. when one of them says yes, she is taken to the dance floor where she is massaged, kissed and sucked in front of everybody.
at club paradise -- rua correa dias, 161 - tel: (011) 570-4457 -- couples are encouraged to be creative and to expose themselves. there are six suites where the hottest people can continue what they started in public. the meetings on thursdays and fridays, which cost $50, offer a climate conducive to seduction, with little light and male strippers' shows.
the encounters start always the same way: bashful people going around in bathrobes, drinking and sitting close or inside the jacuzzi. but the participants usually warm up very fast when thighs, breasts, pubis and genitalia start to crop up.
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In response to Sam W's question about a place to get a great massage my recommendation is Termas Luomo. They have a great masseuse on site that will give you an awesome but non-sexual massage. However, she books up quickly sometimes. A couple times when I tried to get a massage from her the wait time was up to 2 hours. The great thing of course is that you can do a session (or two) with the Luomo garotas while you wait.
I've tried the masseuses at nearly all the other termas that have them and the masseuse at Luomo is the best in my opinion. I never tried Centaurus' masseuse because he's a guy last time I checked and if I get a massage my rule is that it's got to be from a woman even if it's non-sexual. Sorry, but this is hang-up I have.
Member #1314,
I agree with you. Let's work together to keep these prices down and avoid turning the girls into greed monsters. Don't worry I never pay in advance. I like to chat with the girl first and see if she is foaming at the mouth for my money or if she can relax and make it more of a GFE. It can be cool to dance a little and buy them a few drinks. The drinks prices in Help are not bad at all. After having a little fun and laughs before leaving it is easier to make a less expensive offer to clinch the deal.
Happy hunting.
I am planning on being in Rio over Superbowl Sunday. I know American Football is not all that popular in South American, but does any one know where I can watch the big game via satelite in Rio?
this is high season in rio, xmas thru carnaval, and everything is more expensive and crowded than normal. i speak portuguese, know how to talk to sw, ymmv. $1 usd = 2.70r
help -- (copacabana) cover is 28r, 18r b4 midnite. action doesn`t start until 10 pm, goes til 6 am. jam-packed, 200 sw (rate 5-10) and 200 tourist suckers, so the girls are not hungry and are asking for 250-300r ($80-110) for st, and refusing anything below 250r, which is quite higher than normal. there are also about 20-50 sw working the outside bar in front of help, rate 2-10, asking 150r.
barbarella (copacabana) -- cover is 50r with 2 drinks included. jammed with 100+ sw, rate 6-10, equal number of suckers. sw are asking $200 usd and apparently getting it from the suckers. we left quickly.
balcony bar (copacabana) --- nice, open air, no cover, about 20 mostly black and mixed girls asking 150r ($55).
baronette (ipanema) -- cover is 40r, tuxedo doorman, very swanky, we passed.
villa mimosa (centro) -- oh boy, tough to describe without getting flamed. let me say that i know how to handle myself, and have been in 100 shitholes in 100 countries, and this definitely was near the top of the list. it is not a single business. it is an alley with bars on both sides for about 3 blocks, full of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url], mangy and dead dogs, used condoms, and stoned gangbangers who would scare rambo. if you really really need to get a $10 black crack-ho, or always wanted to get mugged, this is the place to go. we cruised thru in our taxi, and decided we would be lucky to keep our kidneys and other internal organs if we got out of the car. even our taxi guy was scared. go see blackhawk down to get an idea of the neighborhood. i would have felt safer with a flak jacket, a humvee, and an m-16, and i felt like taking penicillin after just driving thru. other than that it was great!!!! i am sure that someone who has been there is going to say it isn`t as bad as i am claiming, but the bottom line is that if you can afford to get to rio, you can afford to not go to villa mimosa. nuff said.
Chuponalgas,
Good report.
Just one comment about Vila Mimosa. I don´t think the main reason for gringos going to Vila Mimosa is to save money. Personally I go there because I like the atmosphere, always have a great time there and because of among all those ugly pro´s there are some beauties to be found.
Cheers
DFWdude
About your question to watch the Super Bowl in Rio. I know for sure that the Marriott Hotel in Copacabana will have the super bowl on in their lobby bar on the big screen which is on the 2nd floor of the hotel. Just walk in up the stairs and turn right. Also I believe that Lord Jims Pub in Leblon will have it and also Shenanigans Irish Pub in Ipanema. Other places may be in Barra but the names slip my mind at this time.
I have been to Vm on several occasions. When you figure the cost of getting there and back to Copa - say $R 30 to40 RT and then add it on to the $R25 for 20 min action, it is cheaper to go to Scort Show or Karla Models and get 2 hours of fun. The reason I enjoyed VM was because it was RAW. Probably no different from the brothels of Rome 2000 years ago. Best to go with a friend especially at night.
Chuponalgas
Great report, about what the girls are asking for in Help $R250 - $R300, last year when the Dollar was fetching 4 real then $R250 real was only $US62.50 and $R300 was $US75. Last year Im sure many guys would be willing to pay $62 and $75 for TLN so the girls got used to it. And I bet some girls last year even got $R400 real which was $100 (now $143) for TLN if they were real nice. So in their mind this is a fair price, they don't care that our dollar has taken a nose dive this year and we have to cough up more. They only know that gringos have been willing to pay R300 and R400 and the prices of things they need to buy haven't gone down because our dollar has. Hey I want to pay less too but you have to take this in to consideration, it's not really them it's our dollar and its fluctuation..
Hey guys,
One thing I know about TLN in Rio.
Most of the girls who work in Rio share cheap apartments with other girls. Usually studio apartments with 6-10 girls sharing the facilities.
Do not pay more for TLN as they do not want to go back to the apartment anyway. I would negotiate for 1-2 hours only. Especially if it is late in the evening. She will stay as long as you let her.
I know this from first hand experience.
Mad Max out.
Mad Max is right about the girls sharing apartments. I got the opportunity on a recent trip to visit a Help girls apartment several times.
15 girls and a couple kids live in three small 10 x 12 rooms. Each room had six beds (two sets of three tiered bunk beds). Each girl also had a cabinet for their clothes and other personal items that had a chain and lock on the handles.
It was an incredible look into the life of a Rio prostitute. In fact, as I went in and out of the building, I saw many of the girls you see in Help heading out for the night.
Sterling
If you like a really strong shiatsu-style legit massage, I highly recommend Georges, a French guy who works on the beach in front of the Hotel Sol Ipanema in, of course Ipanema. This is a 7R ($3) taxi ride from Copacabana. He works 8 PM to Midnite and sometimes later, every night unless he is sick, and speaks French, Spanish, Portuguese and a LITTLE English. 40R ($14) for 40 minutes, I pay him 50R for "muito forte" (extra strong). His cell phone is 9664-7440, but I usually just show up, especially after that long-ass flight down here. He uses a reclining massage table, so this is pretty limited to the back, shoulders and neck, not whole body, but if you have a bad back, this guy is great.
In the back of El Globo, I see a bunch of ads for escort agencies charging 100R ($35) per hour. Anyone tried these?
www.karlamodels.com.br
www.barraquen.com
www.lindasmodels.com.br
www.malumodels.com.br
www.companygirl.com.br
www.agenciacris.com.br
Obviously this is cheaper than HELP, but how is the quality?
Massage
There is also a nice looking woman about 30 years old who does great massgae on the beach during the day in front of the Caesar Park hotel in Ipanema. They also have it during the day on HO beach in front of the Rio Othon Palace hotel.
Chuponalgas
I tried some of those escort agencies, the pictures on the websites are great but the girls don't always look as good as the pictures but they are OK and they are for the most part middle class girls from Barra with a semi pro attitude and they really work hard for the money. Very few times have I been disappointed as a matter of fact I have always enjoyed them very much. Usually I call one of these escorts when I have a rainy day in Rio, I stay in my apartment, mix some drinks, have one of these girsl delivered and make an afternoon of it, It's nice.
Apartment Sharing
Mad Max your right, I met a girl one time who just got in to Rio and she was staying in a womans apartment in Copacabana on a cot in the kitchen. This girls stayed with me for 3 nights untill I looked for another. But can you imagine? She slept in the kitchen.
I too have been back to my girl's apartment in Rio and seen the bunk bed type of set up as described by Mad Max. I have also seen a girlfriend's apt. that was small but reasonably liveable. I think in general you are right that it probably isn't necessary to negotiate a TLN, especially later at night. I think most of the girls would prefer our hotels or apartments to their own place.
RB I like GFE hanging out with the girls, but the ads say 100R per hour. Are most of them clock-watchers, and If they hang around for a beer or lunch is the clock still ticking? Over all, do they tend to be older than the HELP crowd?
Based on numerous trips to RIO, I would advise anyone planning a Rio trip, this (December thru February) is a somewhat sucky time to go, and I don`t mean that in a good way. From XMAS thru February (Carnaval) the prices and attitudes are jacked waaaaay up, the SW are very busy, the Tourist vs. SW ration is about even, etc. If you can work your vacation in a little later, things slow waaaaay down after Carnaval, and everyone is a lot happier to see you!
Chuponalgas
I agree with you about the higher prices for high season. The timeframe you are talking about which is high season Xmas through Carnival has Rio full of out of towners from all the other states in Brazil. They come in for the season to provide a product for the heavy influx of tourists. Even many Brazilian girls who work in Europe during the off season come back to Rio for the Carnival season. they are there to make money and they see that the demand is there so they try to keep the prices as high as they can. This year I am going 1 month after Carnival for exactly the same reason you state that I prefer to meet garotas who are happy to see me and not give me the rush job. But for the most part no matter which way you cut it Rio is going to cost us Americans at least 30% more this year than last year as our dollar is much weaker to the real than last year. Last year we were fetching at times close to 4 real to the dollar, this year about 2.83 to the dollar. So things will be more expensive in general just because we have lost buying power.
The escort girls for the most part tend to be in my experience college girls. Most of the girls are middle class girls who live in Barra da Tijuca and are going to college, they even live at home. They do this escort thing to have some extra cash in their pocket for clothes and things and maybe even tuition. Most of them wouldn't be caught dead in Help and they have no idea what is going on in Help. Most of them go to places like Barronetti in Ipanema and Nuth In Barra with their friends on the weekend, according to them nobody knows they are an escort. I happen to like these girls as they are young refreshing and don't have a pro attitude. Can you get them yo Hang out with you? Im sure you can if they feel that there is more in it for them.
I agree with what's been written about the "scort girls". My experience is a bit dated, but several years ago I was staying in Barra for business. I ordered takeout from one of the local agencies, and this really cute 25 year old, Elizabeth, showed up about 30 minutes later. We had a great time even though my Portuguese was, ahem, limited at the time.
Two nights later I was watching TV in my room when there was a knock at the door, and it was Elizabeth. She dropped by "just to see if I was busy." We ended up spending a few nights together, going for dinners, and once joining a non-pro friend of hers to go dancing.
I'm not saying that this is typical, but it is an example of what's possible with these amazing women.
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For February thru June, RT fares to Rio or Sao Paulo are
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The process is a little klutzy, you have to submit your request and they confirm it by email the next day. You get a confirmation number and e-ticket. For about $100 more you can get a free stopover in any city in Brazi, for $300 more you can add Buenos Aires, for $399 you can get a Brazil air pass good for domestic flights for 3 weeks. Worked fine for me, good availability.
Don`t forget you have to buy a visa from the Brazilian Embassy in the USA for $100 before you can go to Brazil.
Chuponalgas,
On the agencies in Rio, Karla Models and Scort show (www.scortshow.com.br) are run by the same person, right now are $R100 for two hours. CiaPlus (www.ciaplus.com) has been running a promotion for $R130 for two hours. These agencies are reportedly pretty reputable.
I have personally used cassiascort (www.cassiascort.com.br), the cost was $R100 for two hours plus 'van fare' of $R30. As described by others, the girls are in some cases students (18 - 21 yrs old) earning some money on the side. Remember all these agencies will use the best possible photos, the girl will likely not look as good in person (but not bad). Either the body is accurate but the face is not equal to the one your imagination has created, or the body is similar but she's put on a few pounds.
Performance was very good, these girls are mostly going to go until you can't anymore up to the time limit.
I have also used UtopiaSex (www.utopiasex.com) a few times. Their rate is generally $R200 for two hours and $R250 if you want 'completa' (anal). The girls here are a bit older (21 - 25+) but tend to be more refined/educated and may have other jobs. I have had mostly good results, but not 100%. In one case the girl's tattoos were removed from the photos so that her identity was not obvious, but this was of course a surprise.
With regard to 'hanging out', most of the agencies above monitor the time pretty carefully, so it is not a given. However, at $R100 for two hours I'm sure you could just book four hours at $R200. The majority of these girls will give you their number (many times without you asking) and you can try to arrange something direct, if you are OK with cutting out the agency.
Has anyone stored luggage at the Rio airport in the last month or so? I was there just before Christmas and saw the the lockers that are all over the terminal. I followed the directions and asked around to find the booth that rented the keys (supposedly between Terminals 1 and 2) but could not find it.
I'm going back to Rio and would like to use the lockers. If anyone here has used them lately I'd appreciate specific directions to the booth where I can rent the keys.
Earlier today I was in the internet bar a block up from mabs. got talking to an American guy he told me was robbed by a girl who was actually in the internet cafe her name was gaberalla or something like that anyway she was black had huge tits and a great ass, I was very going to go with her until I heard the guys story!
Went to Therma Luomo tonight instead, got a great non sexual massage, which helped after the long flight.
Meet a girl there who works 3 months in Ireland over there she charged 400 euros an hour (what a rip off). I passed up on her as I saw a better looking girl. Soon we were chating her name was luanda and off we went to the cabin. Great sex and a CIM.
All in all very good.
Langer
Forgot, I'm planning on being in Rios the whole time I'm there since this is my first trip to Brazil.
Boozer,
Did you ever ask any of the girls what the percentage was that they received? I would think that a good approach would be a two hour session, and if you wanted more, pay her 50-60% more for another two hours. I would imagine any follow-up sessions could be arranged for 60% of the price directly with the girl - a win-win situation.
Any information on this?
I saw this on the Google News Alerts. There will be some great eye candy for this one!
Fatboy Slim Takes Boutique To Brazil.
Fatboy Slim will be relocating his annual Big Beach Boutique concert from its traditional home in Brighton to Brazil, when he’ll plays a free gig in Rio De Janeiro for an estimated half a million people.
While the first two Big Beach Boutique free concerts took place in Cook’s hometown of Brighton, this year the event will be staged at Flamengo Beach in Rio De Janeiro on Sunday March 7.
Fatboy Slim (a.k.a. Norman Cook) who recently DJed in Moscow on New Year’s Eve, will be playing in front of an estimated audience of between 200,000 and 500,000 people.
After details of the Rio show were confirmed, Fatboy commented, "It looks like I'm going to be getting sand in my record box again."
Also DJing on the bill will be Jon Carter, Brazilian DJs Marky and Patife (who were winners of the Carnival Samba School as you’ll obviously already know) with many more acts to be announced.
Ticket details will be announced soon.
Fellow Mongers-
I am planning a trip to Rio next week, (I know last min). Where is 4X4 termas located. I have searched all over and cant find it. How much should cab ride be there from Copa? And are the services of the chica still running around $US150 or so ?????
DFWdude,
During my last trip to 4x4 a standard programme was about R150 or so.
The address is:
TERMAS 4 X 4
Rua Buenos Aires, 44
Centro District
Mon-Fri 2pm - 1AM
DFW,
4x4 is located in the business district on a street called Rua Buenos Aires. Taxi journey takes about 10-15 mins depending on traffic and should cost you about 15 reals. Probably best not to mention to the driver that you are going to a termas because if you do he may well pretend that he doesn't know where to go and try and take you to another termas where he gets a commission.
Jak,
I think your logic makes sense and will probably work most of the time. I haven't pursued it as: 1) my very basic Portuguese skills make this difficult for me to negotiate, and 2) I'm usually not there long enough to set up the repeat visits.
At some of the agencies, the girls live in a building provided by the agency. I don't think it's an incall location, but if the girl goes out for 2 hrs she's expected back, so it's hard to extend the session directly. You have to arrange something when they are otherwise free.
DFWdude
US$150! Are you mad! Thats 400 Reals. I can get Girls from HELP all night for 200 Reals. In Luomo you can get two girls for 400 reals. The price inflation here is crazy. 3 years ago I was paying 100 reals in help now they are looking for 300 and you have to bargin to get 200. 100% inflation. Imagine if that happen to gas back home! Stop ruining the fun! If you have the money get two girls :-))
Langer
Just back from 4X4 termas (Centro) Went in had a sauna then when to look at the pole dancing girls. Then met a girl called lana, which she told me was anal backwards!! After about an hour chatting we went to a cabin for 40mins, Two shots. First, Great anal sex and then a BBBJ CIM. Top class, she has good english. Total price including drinks 174 REALS. Highly recommended. Go early (before 5) and you get a discount of the entry price about 40 REALS i.e anal bbbj drinks for 135 REALS :-))
There were lots of girls there about 50 or 60, another advantage of going early is that there are less guys there and you have a better pick.
Langer
Last night went to Sunset boite near Barbarellas, I would not recommend it, small dark and dingy, not a ripoff but no good looking girls there. Later I had a look into Holiday boite again not recommened.
Balcony look good however I did not stay. I have heard a few bad things about Balcony from Help girls I know, they say it is not safe for girls there and that last year 2 girls and a tourest were killed there in seperate incidents. Was going to go meet up with some other mongers in HELP but on the way there I met a girl I know and got sidetracked.
Langer
This is my second trip to Brazil and definitely not the last. My first trip was in September 2003 when I was given a free timeshare/resort for a week in Fortaleza and stayed in Rio on the front end and the back end of the trip. Fortaleza was a bust, nice beaches but too hot, right on the equator and the girls were not to my liking plus got screwed over by a rental car company. The Rio part was fantastic and I had to go back for a second helping 1/13 through 1/21.
I took the United direct flight from DC to Rio which isn’t exactly a direct flight when you have to sit in the Sao Paulo airport for 3 hours before continuing on to Rio. The fingerprinting and pictures only added 10 minutes onto the immigration experience. When I arrived on Tuesday they were using ink on the finger prints when my running buddy showed up on Thursday they were using biometric scanners on the fingerprints so it’s even faster now.
My report is pretty graphic as I like to relive the events in full detail. If you aren’t into it then please just skip this post and save any comments about it for someone who cares what you think. Also, when I’m talking money I’m always expressing it in Reals unless I specifically put in USD after the amount.
Day one Tuesday:
Arrived into Rio about 1:30, in my apartment by 2:30, shit, showered and shaved and was on the prowl by 3:30. Decided to grab a bite to eat at my favorite churrascaria by the kilo place called the Sigueira Grill on Sigueira Compos and Atlantica.. Now for dessert I decided to go to L’uomo (1 hour, $130 for the girl, $70 for the room, $30 entrance + drinks). Get in there and there are about 30 women and about 10 guys in the place. I talk to a few girls and settle on this blond with braces (I’ve got this thing for chicks with braces, don’t know why) her name was Elis who speaks pretty good English (a lot better than my Portuguese) but not the hottest thing in the place but I enjoyed her company and the 30 minute make out session. We discuss what will happen in the suite (1 hour), no holes barred and will do a BBBJTC/CIM. She goes off to secure the room and powder her nose and whatever they do for that 10-15 minutes that they leave you there. While she’s gone this guy comes over and said that I lucked out that the girl I was with is one of the most talented in the place except guys just can’t seem to get past the braces. We go back to the suite and she is all over me. I take a few pictures first and then I get an incredible BBBJTC/CIM&S and this is in the 1st 10 minutes.
I shower and regroup and still have another 45 minutes left on the clock. She goes back to work and I’m raring and ready to go again this she puts a condom on me and she hops on cowgirl style. This girl has the tightest pussy I’ve ever been in and it took all my will not to cop another nut (I had to think of Mimi on the Drew Carrey Show to keep from getting off just then) she’s riding me for a couple minutes and then reverses it to where her back and ass are facing me and riding me grabbing my ankles and after another minute she then then flies off me into the corner of the bed with her legs twitching and her whole body jerking. She had an orgasm like I had never seen before and takes about a 5 minute break of cuddling and her yabbering in Portuguese about something before we can continue. I’m no stud by any means, I just think this girl really gets off during sex. She gets on all fours and we do it like that and I get off again. Never got to that third hole but I still have 8 days in Rio. We shower together and order a couple of bottles of water and hang out and talk until our time is up. I go back to my kilo place eat and go back to the apartment for a good nights rest.
Day two, Wednesday
Get up eat breakfast and go to Sugarloaf mountain back by noon. Take a walk on Copacabana beach to check out the sites and get some pics of the fine garotas in thongs. Stop at every third beach stand get a drink and go oooh as the girls walk by.
It’s about 4:00 and I decide that it’s been way too long since I had any pussy so I head over to Monte Carlo (40 minute cabini, total with drinks about $200). I get in and shower and head to the boite there are about 15 girls in there and only about 4-5 guys. This really fugly garota walks up and starts yapping to me and I use all the gringo excuses to get rid of her, no falla Portuguese, not now, I’m just looking, you know the drill…. Then this girl comes over and saves me (her name was Lucinda or something like that), very beautiful face and smile, a little on the thick side but definitely not fat and with the traditional Brazilian butt . She speaks really good English with a sexy whispery voice to boot and to top it off she;s a darker dead ringer for my secretary. She takes me over to another boite on the other side of the building, we make out, talk and discuss what will happen in the suite (1 hour) again no holes barred but no CIM but I can do it on her face but not in mouth. We go back to the suite, she lets me take a few pictures and then she starts undressing me. Gives me an ok BBBJ (nothing to write home about). We get down to business, another fairly tight one all positions and then we switch to the bunda (her idea to switch) and she’s really getting into it and with each stroke it she is getting more and more into it. If you are into loud sex then she’s your girl, screaming and slapping her own ass. I can’t hold back and pull out and do my best Peter North impersonation all over her beautiful face. We shower, rest and I just can’t regroup to do another round. We order a coupel of waters and wait for our time to be up. Very sweet girl.
I eat dinner and go back to my apartment for a nap. I’m staying around the corner from the Balcony bar and head over there after my 5 hour nap Have a few cervejas and watch the action from my front row table. I see a very pretty light skinned blonde garota (with braces), I smile at her and she comes over, she speaks very little English but we are able to communicate. I keep a pen on me at all times and this helps in negotiations. We agree on R$140 back at my apartment plus taxi for all night. I never intend to have them all night as I don’t really like to have people I don’t know in my room when I’m sleeping but I never know what my stamina will be either . This girl, her name is Tatiana very nice body, excellent BBBJ, backdoor not available and had to use her condom or no condom as she is allergic to the lubed ones. . Luckily I had a bottle of astroglide to lube the inside of the non-lubed condom or I might have had to bareback it. . Another tight one, must be something in the water or they teach muscle control in the schools here. Finished with a BBBJTC/CIM. We fell asleep and she left about 4:30 when I took her back to Balcony bar. I stayed for a beer and she hooked up with someone else while I was there at the bar. Good for her, she gave me a little kiss as she was heading out with her new date. I went back to sleep.
Day three Thursday:
Got up about noon, had lunch at the place next door to my apartment and waited for my running buddy to show up. I try to get in touch with a couple of guys that I had met through this and other boards but actually haven’t physically met them yet but we are playing phone tag at this point. Running Buddie’s flight was to arrive at 1:00 and he showed up about 3:00. He got settled into the apartment and we went to eat, bought a cell phone and stuff and then on to L’uomo.
We got there about 7:00 and the place was pretty full lots of girls and a little more guys than I like but hey, this is Rio. My girl from day one was off that night, I was hoping to trip the light fantastico again with her but I still have a week left. At L’uomo they do strip shows in the boite. Much better than in the US as you can see them strip and then take them back to a suite and screw’em. Anyways one girl came out in a schoolgirl costume and did an excellent dance, great body, pretty face and firm natural D-cups and guess what? She had braces (her name was Stephanie). As soon as her dance was done I gave her the signal to come over and we talked ands made out for a little while and made arrangements for a room. Room wasn’t going to be available for 40 minutes so we made out for another 40 minutes until the room was ready. (Note to self: A lot of guys there is not always a bad thing if you get to have foreplay for an hour).
We get back to the suite for an hour. I take a few pics after promising that they won’t be on the internet (no faces that is). She gives a decent BBBJ, sex was good, nice and tight in all positions. Finished with a BBBJTC/CIM and spit. Showered, she tried to get another BBBJTC out of me but was able to do so before the phone rang to let us know the time was up.
My running buddy and I meet up again in the boite and decide to go back to the apartment and hang out at the Balcony bar. Nothing too exciting happening there and the girls available were so-so. So we turned in for the night.
Day Four Friday:
There’s a banging on my door and it’s my running buddy. He has been going through his research papers and found a printout from this escort service CIAPLUS and they have early day specials. 2 hours for $130 if you get the girl before 2:00. He decides I’m going to be the guinea pig and to pick one out. I do and we order one up. They don’t show faces only bodies so it’s hard to tell if you are really getting who you think you are getting. Anyways this girl comes over, great body, perfect c-cups. Her name is Gissel, we sit around and talk for awhile (on my 2hours) and running buddy decides this isn’t that bad of a deal and asks her to order him up one while she’s there. Her friend comes over and she’s not exactly as expected but he takes her anyways.
I take mine back to the room, incredible body but her breath was rancid like she had been eating shit sandwiches all day. I give her a piece of gum and hope it goes away. She would only allow me to take a pic of her boobs and no face shot. No problem, boobs were her best asset anyways. BBBJ wasn’t too good. Missionary was terrible as her face was right in mine and the gum didn’t do the trick. Looks like it’ll be doggie. We go at it for about 10 minutes and it is a no go. That breath is permeating the air in the room. I make an excuse that I’ve had too much sexo since I’ve been there and have no more juice. We get dressed and she showers I don’t want to be anywhere near that breath. New rule of thumb is to do a breath check before paying. We wait for running buddy to get done. Send them packing and compare notes. He definitely got the better end of that deal.
We go and eat a late lunch and decide to check out this new place called La sorenta or something like that. It is a couple of blocks away from Centaurus and supposedly a nice new terma. We get there at 10 and they are closed, they were supposed to be open until midnight. We head back to the Help area and grab a bite to eat and wait to go into Help around 11:30 (this is my 2nd trip to Rio and I’ve never been into Help) we go to get into Help and I find out they have a dress code no shorts and guess what I’m wearing. Stupid friggin rule, they are letting in guys with baggy ass jeans that hang half way down their ass with boxers showing and a basketball jersey over a beat-up T-shirt I can’t get in with a nice pair of dockers shorts and a polo shirt.. We head back to our apartment to change and pass the Balcony and the talent pool there is way up so we decide to hang there instead. We can’t get any action for the prices we want to pay so we hang it up and crash for the night. Still playing phone tag with the other board members all day.
Day Five Saturday:
We get up and putz around the apartment until noon and go grab a bite to eat. Around 2:00 we call that La sorenta place to see if they are open and after bitching at them about being closed we try them again. We get there and the place is a dive $30 entry we pay. They do have lockers but they are the ones in gym class about 2X2 square no problem it locks. The shower room has separate doors but there is nothing separating you from the next swinging dick taking a shower 3 feet away from you, We walk in the boite and it is small with about room for two people to stand at the bar and enough seating for maybe a dozen people, there are five girls total and we are told there will be more showing up. They spent all their money on sound and lighting for the boite with a smoke blower and all. I get latched onto by the old fat garota as usual and running buddy gets the two garotas that body’s are ok but their faces are a wreck. There are two young ones but they preferred to stand and dance in front of the mirror than help save us from these creatures. I hit the restroom upstairs where the cabinis are and they are 5 foot tall cubicles that I can see over and are pretty flimsy, not much to my liking We wait around for half an hour and nothing new shows up so I give running buddy the let’s get the fuck out of here signal and we are off.
We decide to go to Solarium. Good quality looking garotas there well anything was better than the last place. I pick out this hot looking blonde her name was Fabiana with incredibly muscular legs and said this had to be a good ride. I ask her if she takes everything and she reaches under my robe and measures me up and says no anal that’s fine with, I always check on the availability but only go there less than half of the time just on my list of things to bring up. I buy her a drink and of course she goes for the Red Bull $13 + $5 for vodka which she shares with her sister (a younger version of her, better body but the face has some acne) and then she asks for another and I say lets get a room (stop the bleeding and get a nut). We get back to the room for a 40 minute session and I take a couple of no face pictures. I look down at her pussy and she’s got a clit about the size of the last knuckle on your pinky sticking straight out. I reach down and grab it and rub it between my fingers and she melts on to the bed moaning. God I love these women, they don’t hold anything back she gets off in about 30 seconds and regroups to get down to business. She gave a decent BBBJ, the whole time I was fighting with her to play with that clit but she was playing with it more than me. We get the condom on and go for the regular sex and I enter her and she must not have paid attention in the muscle control classes because it was pretty loose down there compared to all the other girls I had been with. She could tell I was losing interest and asked me if I wanted the back door even though she had said no earlier. So I went there, the whole time she had hand down there playing with herself. She finished with a BBBJTC but pulled off at the last second and let it go on her cheek. Within 10 seconds of my completion the phone rings telling her that our time was up. I checked my watch and we were only in there for 28 minutes. I think they have cameras in the rooms and when they see you finish they call to clear the room. Same thing happened to my friend as soon as he copped his nut the phone rang.
We meet up in the boite and run into this guy that we had seen in every terma we went to. He ends up leaving with us and we head out to get something to eat near the help area. I have plans the next day to go with a friend of mine who married a Brazilian chick he met in the states and was there for his honeymoon. No, she’s not P4P girl, she comes from a very well off family, get your mind out of the gutter. I go back to the apartment to get a good nights rest.
Day Six Sunday:
This is the boring part, no sex today. My friend, his wife, brother-inlaw and sister-in-law pick me up at my apartment and we head off to the hippie fair in Ipanema. Nice crafts show and I picked up some pretty cool souvenirs and a wood carving of a café in Rio which will be prominently displayed in my basement. We had lunch at the Garota de Ipanema (Girl from Ipanema) restaurant where the songwriters composed that song about this girl walked by everyday. Good food and Caipirinhas and conversation. Also was told I could get the same apartment that I was paying $80USD a night for about $800 a month from someone local. Good info to know for my next long trip to Rio and the brother-in-law has already e-mailed me with a couple of addresses. He will probably sublet one or two for rent in the high season but won’t be nearly as outrageous as what they are getting now. Just enough to cover their rent and make a few bucks.
Went to Fridays in the New York mall in Barra to watch the playoff games and spent the night at his in-laws house, a nice large five bedroom spread on the mountain overlooking the city of Barra. Great views.
Day Seven Monday:
Got a guided tour of all the local beaches where not too many gringos go, mainly surfing beaches. We went to this gem store in Barra, huge place that sold everything at about 1/10th the price of the exact same thing that H. Stern sells. You name it they have it. Hundreds of Amethyst geodes in all different sizes some 6 foot tall and over 300 kilos.
Then back to the apartment.
I can’t get in touch with running buddy so I head off to L’uomo. I finally ran into one of the guys I was playing phone tag with all week there. Great guy and a long time Rio visitor who knows everyone in most of the termas and bars. I hooked up with my blonde with braces again. Had another great session with her and gave her a pair of Victoria Secret thong panties as a gift and boy was she appreciative. Went back to the boite and although she could’ve gotten another guy she decided to hang with me until I left. I finally left and got in touch with running buddy who was doing all the termas in centro with the guy we met at Solarium, which is why I couldn’t get in touch with him.
We met at the Sequeira Grill for dinner and we decided to check out Barberella’s. None of had been in there before but this is the place where all the hotties are. There is a $50 cover to get in ands that gives you two drinks (cokes or juices) not sure but I don’think they sell beer but you can buy bottles of liquor. We didn’t partake in the liquor part. We watched the strippers and there were probably 100 of the hottest looking girls in that place. I guess you negotiate a deal with the girl and then pay a $50 barfine for her to leave the bar and then you pay her what you negotiated. We got a couple of phone numbers and one from the hottest looking strippers in the place, excellent body and face like a china dill and she had braces too. We left, we didn’t want to pay the fine or the high prices. It was 2:00 now and we decided to crash.
Day Eight Tuesday:
Meet phone tag friend near Meia Pataca and get intro to about 6 other mongers from this and other boards. Running buddy and Solarium guy are there too. It turns out that today is some Brazilian All Saints day holiday and all termas except L’uomo are closed.
We head to L’uomo around 4:00 and the place is packed and I mean packed no place to sit, waiting for showers. I walk in and my blonde with braces runs over and kisses and hugs me showing me the thong I gave her yesterday. We sit down and although I wanted something different why pass up a definitely good thing. I say let’s get a room and she comes back and say that there is an hour wait, no problem we have an hour of foreplay. We watch the strip shows and her hand rarely leaves from beneath my robe. Go to the room and have another great session, this girl is a nonstop energizer bunny.
We leave and plan on me finally getting into Help to check it out. We all meet at Help just before midnight and I finally meet the dress code. This place is nutz, about 3:1 ratio women to men and all available. Prices were outrageous though, one guy was quoted $300USD for 2 hours and she wasn’t all that and she wouldn’t budge. Another that was pretty hot was at $500 and wouldn’t go down either. Phone tag friend said that prices go down as the night goes on. Lots of hot women there but I won’t pay those prices plus I’m already pretty phucked out by now after 8 days in Rio. We end up leaving at 1:30 with plans on hitting 4X4 for a last session before flying back home.
Day Nine Wednesday:
Woke up with stomach cramps in the middle of the night and had major squirts, must have eaten something bad. By noon I was feeling better but not sure about doing another session so I just relax, hangout at the beach until time to leave for the airport and go home. I would have like the trip to end on a better note but still had a great time.
Observations:
Packing: For 9 days, I came here with 8 pairs of slacks, 4 pairs of shorts 2 pairs of jeans, 7 dress shirts, 7 polo shirts, 3 tank tops, 4 t-shirts, 1 jacket and 2 bathing suits in the biggest Samsonite suitcase they make. I only wore the shorts and one pair of jeans (just to get into Help, they don’t allow shorts), a pair of slacks for the flight back and tank tops, t-shirts and polo shirts for the hole trip. Next time I can probably use my carryon suitcase and use the local cleaners if I run out. Always pack a small umbrella, a swiss army knife with all the tools and plenty of pens.
Money: I brought $2,300 USD cash with me, (apartment was prepaid). I did everything I wanted, ate and drank like a maniac. I bought gifts for 20 people and souvenirs for myself and still went home with over $1,000USD. Best exchange rates seem to be in the termas and Help. Most cambios were giving 2.75 and the termas were giving 2.8 and Help was giving 2.83 although none would cash more than $100USD at a shot.
Protection: Bring your own condoms and lube. The girls have condoms but they are very thick and most of the time too small.
Security: I had heard a lot about not wearing jewelry and stuff. I felt just as safe there as anywhere in the US. Just like at home be aware of your surroundings and don’t go anywhere that is considered dangerous like God City.
Gifts: I always bring gifts for the girls. My favorites are Victoria Secret thong panties, usually on sale for 5 for $20USD. They like them and then they look good posing for you. A little generosity goes a long way and they always remember you for it. My running buddy always brings gum, good icebreaker and may kill bad breath too.
People: I met a lot of people while there locals and mongers. Everyone is really friendly and willing to help in any way possible. It’s like the old saying, treat people as you would like to be treated and you will rarely be disappointed.
'Chuponalgas' comment on Vila Mimosa (1-22-4) was a gross exaggeration. I don't really care if anyone goes there or not; I'm only correcting this false description for the sake of accuracy.
Here are the facts: first, the women of Vila Mimosa are not "black crack ho's" - the racial makeup of the women and customers is about the same as what you find throughout Rio. There are some older women, and several overweight ones, but you will also see many young, healthy-looking, non-drug-taking females there. And it's not full of "stoned gangbangers". Most of the patrons are regular Brazilians, mostly young men. Occasionally you even see groups of off-duty office workers, in shirt and tie, out for a night of decadence.
The buildings and street are decrepit and dirty, but the hygiene of the girls is basically the same as on Avenida Atlantica. Maybe better. VM women are more strict about condom use than the Help or terma girls.
The women who work at a place like Vila Mimosa are not always dogs who can't score on Ave Atlantica. Some are fine enough to turn heads at Help or Meia Pataca. An attractive girl might work at VM because she wants the protection of working in a brothel - she doesn't have the nerve to approach strange foreign men and go off with them to apartments or hotels. Or she can't handle the late hours, or the courtship game they play on the Avenue.
It's time for the guys in this forum to wake up to the fact that the same girl might work at Vila M. one week, Help the next week, and then a terma the week after that (if she's light-skinned enough).
Here are the actual hazards. When you're inside VM you're all right, but getting in and out of VM is the real danger. The area surrounding it is rough. A few taxi drivers won't go there. And some of those that wait there for customers are the criminal, ripoff-type taxi drivers. You need to have a friend with you, if only to insure that the taxi driver won't try any bullshit when he drives you away. Best way is to find a Brazilian guy that you can trust and have him accompany you, buying him a couple of rounds with the garotas as payment.
In general you have to be skeptical when a WSG poster gives an extremely negative or positive rating of a particular place. I've been reading this website for years, and I when visit a place talked about in the WSG it is often different than what is described. Basically you have to see it yourself.
By the way, Vila is spelled with one 'L'.
{ Thanks Rio D you said enough l,m not saying too much } Ain,t nothing wrong or dangerous about going to Vila Mimosa.l always go there when in Rio and l,m gonna continue going there.Copa is just as dangerous or even worse than Vila Mimosa.Rio D no need to explain to Mongers, either they should stick to help or the termas and leave Vila to us locals so the price will stay the same.Vila Mimosa girls ain,t different from Terma or help girls.Some are even better looking and honest than most Help hoes .Vila Mimosa is not for every one and no one is pulling any Monger hands to go there.Stay in copa where you have help and some termas and leave Vila Mimosa to the Locals like myself and stop bashing it.
Rio D, wrote
"It's time for the guys in this forum to wake up to the fact that the same girl might work at Vila M. one week, Help the next week, and then a terma the week after that (if she's light-skinned enough)."
So true, I know a girl she works HELP and Vila M. She looks for and gets 300 Reals from American guys in Help and when she works Vila M 50 Reals inc Anal
Why? Well she only goes to HELP when she has a couple of friends with her for security. Also I think ¨the courtship game¨ gets to the less cynical girls. Sometimes if a girls has a baby she won´t want to work the late hours.
Thanks Rio D for a good post
Snooky (another good post)
The idea of giving the girls a gift is a great idea. The girls are always impressed. I like the Victoria Secret thong panties idea!
A gift that keeps on giving ;-)
Langer
Rio D, your use of "black crack ho's" is very derogatory. I travelled too many places in North, Central and South America as well as Europe (and Asia) and I've seen my fair share of "white trailer trash crack ho's" and "white druged up ho's".
Euff said. "Ho's" come in all shape, sizes and 'color'.
Rio D, BTW I know for a fact some of the garotas you maybe getting "jiggy" with/dating in Copa or Help, work in Vila M. as well. These garatos find work were ever they can. So don't be fooled into thinking the girls in Help are any different than the girls at Vila M.
Ciao
Spidy
Spidy, I would never use the term "black crack ho". I was quoting from the post of Chuponalgas' from 1-22-04. Whatever I placed in quotation marks was something he said. And I agree that the term is derogatory, that's why I needed to set him straight. I wish you had responded to his post back when he wrote it.
And I know that the VM girls are usually no different from the Help girls. That's one of the things I said in my post. Read more carefully before you respond.
Vila Mimosa,
Don´t judge the girls at VM without giving the place a good inspection. For certain there are many women that don´t look appealing. But there are also many women that looks better than the average Help-standard.
Some works at Copacabana as well and others prefer to just work at VM for safety reasons. They find Copacabana dangerous. A goodlooking girl at VM can have up to 20 customers per day. This gives her at least 400 reais.
Personally I find many of the VM girls to be much more honest, reliable and goodhearted than the Helpgirls.
Vila Mimosa rules
Ok, I haven't posted often to the board, although I am a devoted reviewer of comments. So I want to start adding my observations over the last few months. My first trip to Rio was in July of 2003, and I have now been 6 times. So I'd like to think I'm getting more experienced at sucking the fun out of Rio.
I've got two running buddies who have joined me on my trips, and they both speak only English, as is the same for me. So for those of you who have not been and are hesitant because of a language barrier, have no fear.
I am going to offer a positive review for Barbarella's as I have been there on every trip. In fact, I have not been to HELP, and have not gone to a Terma. I have used the Karla Models escort agency several times with great success and will offer some pointers in later post, in particular for english-only speakers.
Barbarellas:
Yes, Babarellas (B's) is definitely more expensive in some ways, but not in others. First let me review my current status at the club. I don't pay an entrance or exit fee, and I get whatever table I want at anytime of the night. Remember, I've been there six times, and started getting that kind of treatment after the third time. The key is getting to know a waiter and using him all the time. It doesn't matter which one, just take care of one consistently and you will start getting perks.
Now, the first or second time you go, you do have to consider these visits as early payments for later dividends. Now let's talk about the drinks, which becomes your biggest risk factor for cost. Drinks are expensive. You have to order drinks from a bottle that they put on your table, mark where the level is, and mark the level when you leave. The problem there is that the alcohol starts to flow freely, and it becomes easy to drink alot and spend a lot of money. The second exposure is that as you hang out with the girls, you'll start ordering drinks for them, and that gets expensive. Alcohol is your biggest exposure. Here is how I deal with it. On your first visits, before you've established yourself, go around 11:30pm. It's not to early, and not too late to have missed the hottest girls. Have some drinks somewhere else first and get a good buzz going. That way you're not going there for drinking, but for punting. And finally, let the bartendar know that you don't want to drink more than a certain amount of the bottle, and find out what that will cost. Later, this will be important with an established relationship with that same bartendar.
Now, I will admit, that I have spent more money on alcohol on some nights because me and a buddy, on some nights, might have six BEAUTIFUL girls drinking, talking, dancing, and hanging out with is for several hours. But we don't mind this as this is part of the fun of going and hanging out, as opposed to just picking up a couple of girls and leaving. Just set a parameter for how much you want to spend, and drink responsibly.
Why go through all of this hassle for drinks, because the girls in Barbarella, for the most part, are very beautiful and lots of fun. There are some pros who are not worth going with, and on my next post I will list a do not touch list of names who I know will not be worth going home with, but that's for later. I have collected over a dozen numbers from some of the most beautiful girls there, and have had dinner dates, site seeing dates, afternoon romp dates, and just hanging out dates for no charge. That's the long-term benefit!
I'm going to continue to add comments in different posts because, first, this is very long, and second, I've just got myself pumped up to go to Barbarellas tonight, although I've got business tomorrow and can't afford to be out all night.
Finally, when I go there tonight, there will be at least six girls who will walk over and want to hang out, all of which are beautiful and fun. I will get whatever table I want, and will use the same bartendar who is awesome. I'm planning on spending R100 on drinks and R300 for a girl. All and all, not a big investment for a night of fun, considering that would be my happy hour tab in NY, LA, or Chicago. Later, I will talk about some of the VIP motels and which ones to go to if you're into not going back to your hotel room, or want to be able to go for a swim in your own indoor pool. B's is not for everyone, and for what I read, the termas are good investments. But I like the quality and environment at B's and will continue to be a big fan. I also think for those who are thinking about making their first trip, to Rio, it's a great first stop.
P.S. For those who complain about some others who might pay too much...the bottom line is if you are a good negotiator, and have established a good rap and rapport with the girl, most of you will be able to negotiable a deal you can afford. In fact, one night a girl I took back to my hotel quoted a guy right before me at R600 for the night. When she told me that, I laughed and said she must be on drugs. She also laughed and said that she didn't really want to go with him and finally negotiated a R300 rate for all night with me. But she and I spent some time together before I closed that deal, trying to communicate with each other, as she didn't speak english. But that was part of the fun as we talked as best we could, danced and had some drinks. At the end of the night, she came back to the hotel, had incredible sex for two hours, slept until 11am, had lunch, bought her a bikini for the pool, hung out at the pool, went to Sugarloaf for the afternoon, and had a small dinner before she went home. Almost 15 hours with her, sex in the evening, morning, and later afernoon, site seeing and an awesome girlfriend experience, all for R300. She was a 9.5 looks, 10 performace, and 10 attitude. Not a bad way to go.
So long for now and happy hunting!
Do any of you guys fancy meeting up and taking a trip to the Vila, might be better to in a group. Anyone interested pm me.
There are also a few good places in Centro catering for the office workers, entry about 10 - 20 reals, girl massage for an hour - 70 reals. Very good value.
Here are the details of the down town places which are cheap, they won´t be to everyones tastes but are cheap. Having Portuguese is an advantage.
If you go to the general area midday you will get flyers to these and other places.
Masssagista da Cidade - Travessa do Ouvidor 37 -first floor 20 reals entry
Sem Censura - Rua Urugaiana 39 bloco B sala 812 10 reals entry
Momentu´s - Rua Urugaiana 24 3 floor tel 2242-8457 10 reals entry.
These places are for the office works in centro so they are not open weekend or after 19:30 start at 10:30 for the early monger.
Here's a real-time update of Babarella's:
I did end up going last night, and was pleasantly surprised to see that there are double the number of girls normally there. Apparently, a boate nearby, whose name I did not recognize, was closed down for having girls under 18 working there, so all of the girls are now going to Barbarella. Bad news is that the average of the new girls is about 7.5, but there were definitely an increased number of 9 and 10's because of the new flow. Also, this is summer break time, so more girls flock to make some extra money, and a lot are non-pros.
My main bartendar was not there last night, but all of the other bartendars know me as well, so I got my usual seat, and within 10 minutes, I had 4 of my favorite girls sitting with me. I of course drank more than I wanted to and stayed later than I should have, because I had to get up early this morning.
But I did meet a new girl, 5'5", blond hair, 34C, 24, 34. Looks: 9, Performance 8.5, Attitude 10. Took her back for some fun and gave her R300 for the night. She left this morning when I did. She was recommended by one of my favorite girls who I know consider a local friend. She spoke very little english, but we had a great time dancing and haveing fun. Would definitely see her again.
I'm about to head back tonight, but I recommend that if you're in town, B's is a nice place to go. By the way, there really is no increase of guys, so the ratio is very favorable.
Everybody knows that the girls try to rip off the gringos. Why? Cause the gringos are ready to pay exorbitant prices without hesitation. Why do you pay few hundred Reais for a Help girl?
The price for a girl in Help, Balcony, etc. is 80 R$ for staying the night with you! All other prices are out of reality. If the girl is talking about US$ she must be sick. Maybe you don’t care about the different between 80R$ and 300 R$ but because of this they try to rip all gringos off.
OK, I'm targeting my first trip to RIO in April.
I've been quoted a 4-night package price, departing on any Sunday from JFK (NYC), at $739 (single occupancy). The price includes R/T airfare, 4-night hotel stay at the Copacabana Rio hotel, daily breakfast, taxes & service charges. Each additional night stay would cost me $63 per on top of the package.
This sounds like a HELLUVA deal to me, but I'm leaning on some of the experienced Rio travels here to guide me now.
1.) Anyone know of better deals leaving from NYC?
2.) Copa Rio Hotel - anyone know it? How is it and how far from Help, the termas, and other mongering hotspots is it? As a first-timer, am I better off with different accomodations altogether?
3.) I plan on staying 7 days altogether. How much dough should I plan on taking? I'm figuring a solid G should do me, but I'm open to suggestions.
4.) I know the routine about not acting like a first-timer (especially in the termas or Help) and I'm more than street smart (I lived in Harlem all my life), but is Rio recommended for first-timers traveling alone? Are there safety issues I need mindful of??
5.) How strongly do you recommend that I learn Portugese for the time that I'm staying down there? Can I have a COMPLETELY different experience learning the basics of the language as opposed to not bothering?
Thanks for any opinions and suggestions in advance. This board is the best because of the sharing of information and opinions. I do most of my posting on the NYC board, and I'll continue to do my part going forward for the Rio board as well.
Damaja,
The deal looks fine to me but the hotel could be an issue. Are you sure it's "guest friendly"?. I've never heard of it so I assume it's not.
I recently stayed at the Princess Copacabana Hotel. It's newly remodeled, reasonably priced and guest friendly. They do charge R60 for each guest if you're booked as a single. Otherwise you pay R60 more for a "double" and you can bring guests in any time.
They offer a room for R136. Two larger size suites are also available for more. You can make reservations through Ipanema.com or Blameitonriofortravel.com
Both will get you the same rate.
The hotel is located at:
Princess Copacabana
Rua Xavier da Silveira 58
Copacabana, Rio de Janeiro, RJ , Brasil CEP 22061-010
Phone: (21) 3813-1272
Fax: (21) 3813-1272
Webpage: http://www.promenade.com.br/ingles/princess.html
As for learning Portuguese. I'd recommend it. Get your hands on the Pimsluer CD's and go to town. They are excellent and will definitely make a big difference in your trip. Being able to get your basic thoughts across to people is important. Plus, you don't want to be the "Ugly American". God knows we've got enough of those running around.
Have a great trip,
Sterling
In the back of El Globo, I saw a bunch of ads for escort agencies charging 100R ($35) for 2 hours. The "actual price" is higher but they mostly claim in the ads that if you mention the ad, the price is 100R = 2 hours.
www.karlamodels.com.br
www.barraquen.com
www.lindasmodels.com.br
www.malumodels.com.br
www.companygirl.com.br
www.agenciacris.com.br
I called a few and none of them spoke more than a few words of English. They added a 35R ($13) taxi fee to the tab but were up-front about it, and this is about the correct RT Taxi fare to where we were staying, which was kind of far out.
Overall, it seems that these girls are mostly middle clas college students. All claimed to be 18-20, and were as advertised or maybe 2-3 yrs older. Bodies were as shown on web sites, no bait and switch. The faces are obscured on the web sites, but the faces were all right. The girls seemed sweeter and nicer in general than Help girls, and appreciated some chit-chat and affection. The only names I remember are Sol and Carol, both blonde 19 year olds and both very nice.
Overall this is a relaxing and cheaper alternative to the Terma and Help and Barbarella scene.
Thanks Rio Bob & Chuponalgas,
I actually stopped by BrazilianVacation.com's office and the agent quoted me a more expensive rates than they offered on their website. The agent i spoke to also offered the Copa Rio hotel for more money.
I'm starting to think it'll be cheaper just booking the airfare and making my own lodging arrangements (like an apartment) but I want to do that with my future trips, after I get more acquainted with the area.
I know that the Rio Roiss and Othon Palace are very near Help, Mabs Pataca, Copa beach and the other termas, but are there others you guys recommend that are visitor friendly and in the same area?? I'd rather take the taxi to Barbarella's and walk to Help and mabs than the other way around.
One question though, Rio Bob. From what I've been reading, 300R is appears to be on the high side for even a stunner in Help. Has the going (or negotiated) rate of 150-200R passed us by now? Not that I can't afford it, it's still great by America's standards, but why pay more if I don't have to?? Shouldn't I demostrate some pesonality, charm, some dance moves and hold some convo in Portugese, or worst case scenario, just wait them out until the end of the night at Help, or are the girls not going for that anymore either? Let me know.....Thanks man.
hey everyone,
sorry for being off topic. hope to keep this thread short and no flaming please.
when i get to rio, somedays i still have to work. i need to know if anyone know of an internet place that has t1 speed in rio. i have been to most of the internet cafes around copacabana with my laptop and the best one is probably tudo y facil but even there it is only giving me very poor rated dsl speeds (ie under 200 download/upload according to broadbandreports.com's speed test tools)
any recommendations to get cable speed (2000 down/386 up) would be greatly appreciated. hotels are usually a rip but let me if there's any executive services that might be comparable. how able in these apartments?
over and out, thanks
almotu
I never was inside Help, only made it to the restaurant outside (Terraço Atl.) and got some cuties for 100Rs a night...maybe inside you get to pay more, but it depends on the alchemy between you and the girl...either you are Brad Pitt or the black equivalent of it, or you treat them right and show'em good times taking them to dance in a normal place (some of them are quite fed up with having to go to Help every night to bring home some cash, believe me!)...they'll appreciate and you'll get taxed less....these girls are usually the more discrete ones (not the less cute though), mainly the non-pros without flashy clothes and monster heels. These are also the best nights i remember, cuz you'll not follow the usual routine: Help - drinking - making out a price - going to the apt. - and that's it for the night. Meeting semi-pros or freelancers sometimes gets you ending up in real cool places with lotsa party people and metaldetectors at the entrance for the guest's safety inside.
cheers!
Damaja,
Prices have been effected by many US guys here, You see the cost is so high in the (Sex repressed) USA that guys think nothing of paying US$100 (approx R$300) for a girl from Help, also the girls know that most guys in Help are drunk and horny and can be hit for the high prices. Soon will see prices of R$400 being suggested!
To put these prices in perspective:
Escort, such as those listed by Chuponalgas cost about R$150 for 2 hours (there are some gingo ripoffs Escorts avoid)
Most Thermas (except Centarus which is a gingo ripoff) charge R$ 200 for 1 hour (incs Anal and BBBJ no CIM)
Given that Thermas and Escorts are not cheap by Brazilian standards, cheap is R$50 (US$20), the Help prices are a total rip-off, last year I was paying R$ 100 max 150 for the same girls, the high dollar ruined this. Now the high euro is doing the same thing.
Short stay US sex tourist (amazed that a woman will fuck them for under $100 bucks), have ruined prices.
Now I go to Help, chat to the girls and get their cell numbers and bang them (inc Anal) daytime in the 2 hour hotels (Lido etc) for $150 + 30 for the Hotel room.
They will do it cheaper daytime as they have no other work daytime. Also if you are nice to them, when you see them again in Help, they sometimes will go with you for R$200 as they like you.
I know a lot of working girls here and they are totally amazed at how much the guys will pay. One girl told me about some guy that paid her R$300 and then didn´t fuck her, just talked, she called him an idiot!!!
Remember this is business, regardless of the courtship game being paid, high demand = high prices, low demand(daytime) = low prices, Regulation(thermas/escorts) = set prices.
As in business if you know the culture and speak Portuguese you will get a better deal.
Still for the service and by US standards Help prices are not that bad. Also don´t be shy about saying you are American, you will get better service as the girls will think you are a gold mine :-)
Sweet! Thanks for all advice again, guys!
God, how I love this board!
Well, where would be the best places to pick-up non or semi-pro women?? I'm getting the feeling that the pros may be too business like for me - am I wrong for thinking this way?
I understand that the women look at Americans as an instant paycheck, so I expect to come off with some amount of pay for play. But, personally, I believe they are women first and they wanna have fun just like any other woman, which makes the sex part even hotter later on!! I guess I come from the "treat 'em right" school of thinking.....
Don't get me wrong as well - I'm going to Rio to have as much fun with as many soccer-ball assed women as possible during my stay. I'm not one to haggle and negotiate on a vacation (Lord knows I do enough of that day-to-day at work), so if it comes to me paying 300R for a night, so be it - money will not get in the way of me doing my thing.
I'm just trying not to make it come to that! LOL :=D
I'm no Brad Pitt, but I'm not exactly Tyrone Hill either (Basketball player reference - if it's over your head, sorry.) I do alright with the ladies here in the States, so I figure I should just the same, if not better, in Brazil. Is this thinking wrong??
Sterling V -
"You are so money!"
Thanks for the advice!
I took $2000 cash for 10 days. Used 450 for accomodations. The rest for pussy, food , hang gliding, touristy stuff, shopping etc. The last day I ran out of cash and had to draw another 100 for play. On top of that I probably used my CC to the tune of $200.
But I did Everything I wanted without much regard for cash. I doubt if I could have spent more if I tried!
I think $200/day is the max you can spend unless you stay in an expensive hotel.
Picked up a little brown honey in the internet cafe near Leme today. She was at the computer beside me sending emails and looking at pictures of her boyfriend in Canada and I got her number, and asked her how much for a hour in a local hotel she said 200 reals. After a bit of bargaining I agreed R$150 which is a high price for the daytime but she was young 20, pretty face, big DD tits and a small ass, just the way I like it. Her name was Thaisa.
Anyway of we go to the hotel Lido $R35 for a couple of hours. First I fuck her and she gives me a BBBJ and I lob some love juice into her mouth (she had a great tounge stud). Later we cuddled and kissed on the bed. Then I´m fucking away with her on top and her phone rings, it is her boyfriend! She gets up turns off the porno TV and takes the call. ¨Hi baby, I´m at the beach...I love you, kisses..I no kiss other man.. you go sleep now¨, etc. He is in the US on his way to Canada and he is ringing her to tell her he loves her, one born everyday!
After the call we resumed and I finished off with a good anal session. Earlier she was complaining her bunda ¨ass¨ was to small, well it is a bit bigger now ;-)
Good session, nice girl, you can meet her in the internet cafe most days around 13:00 - 15:00
One thing, she was so lazy she wanted to get a taxi 2 blocks to the hotel, and after to the beach!! As it was daytime I said no lets walk more time to chat and get to know one another.
After the hotel, she asked me to go to the beach with her but I didn´t have the time as I wanted to get to Luomo for 5 and had some stuff to do. Also didn´t want to be her meal ticket all day at the beach.
@ damaja: Tyrone Hill? dunno that guy, but i'm from Europe so basketball isn't quite my cup of tea; with such a name he only can be black, so you gotta be a brotha too ;)
I was pretty lucky to find some freelancers on the other end of Copacabana (between the hotels Copacabana Palace and Meridien)...a beachfront bar called Balcony, there's lotsa fun places in the neighbouring streets behind it too but i don't remember any names. As far as i'm concerned you can find freelancers outside of Help at the restaurant (i was always lucky), but don't ask me about Help...
cheers
I went to Baronneti of Ipanema on a Sat night by my hotel’s recommendation for normal girls. My buddy and I paid for R$65 each. This includes R$60 drink something. Girls pay for R$35. There were not many good-looking girls that night. Tried to make eye contact with several girls without success. 2 girls seem to be interested in us. However, one is too skinny and the other’s ass is too big. We took a pass.
By 1:30AM, we decided to hit Help for the sure thing. When we left, there are a lot of people waiting to get in the club.
I´m surprised that some gringos are willingly to pay the girls up to 300 reais. What´s the reason to overpay them?
This makes the girls trying to overcharge other gringos.
Regardless if I buy a t-shirt or pay a girl I would feel foolish paying three times as much as necessary.
I rather spend 300 reais on 12 girls at Vila Mimosa. Could be fun lining them up next to each other.... : )
Thanks Sperto,
From reading the reports (2004's and 2003's), I got the impression 300R was on the high side, but to each their own. It's really kinda hard to put a "price" on a good time, but it's human nature for people to try to get away with as much as you'll let them.
I was reading about VM. How far away is it by taxi from Copa beach? How much should I expect to pay for the girls there?
The conditions look pretty shitty, and probably not something I want to do on my first visit, but I know my adventurous side will probably get the best of me to atleast check it out anyway.
Later
Damaja,
You will pay 20R for 20 minutes at V.M. The conditions are not that great but have a few drinks and you will be ok. It is located in Central. It's about 25 minutes by cab from Copa. This depends on what time you go. Sometimes traffic is bad. Even if you don't participate in any extra activities you should go down there and have a couple of beers just to see what's going on. On a good night you will see hundreds of girls. Some good and some not so good. But you will see some winners. I had a couple of 10's down there. But remember the rooms are really small and uncomfortable. But it will be a good ideal to check it out. You won't see any tourist down there. This is the spot for the locals. I'm going to Rio April 2. I can't wait. I have Brasil on the brain.
Damaja,
I have been reading the dialog here recently and have started to wonder if you're diminishing the joy of the trip. It seems that you are fishing for too much of a fix on price. My recommendation would be to use the experienced brethrens' advice as basic guidelines within which you do your own "negotiating". Who knows; the Mack in you just might be enough to get the hottest ladies; pros and non-pros alike -- for less $R or none at all.
Moreover, based on what I have discerned; you will do a "bang-up" job in Brazil; as long as you don't, "... throw water on a baby".
Have fun, and take some good fotos for those of us that are sick and shut in!
Ez
This is the high season in Rio, and most of the hot Help girls are INSISTING on 300R (about $110) and will walk away for less, even if you are handsome and know how to negotiate. This IS ridiculous, and is more than the monthly salary of many poor Brazilians, but once you have gone halfway around the world to get there, it is hard to argue over the extra money...
I also want to suggest to newbies, you may want to stay in Ipanema which is 10 times nicer and safer than Copacabana, has lots of great restaurants and is only a $3, 10 minute cab ride to Copa. Why shit where you eat? LOL It is like the difference between Manhattan and Brooklyn.
VM is about 20 mins by cab from Copa and is a truly grungy place, a whole different world from the luxury of Help or the Termas-- "It´s the third world afffffter all....."
If they are willing to walk away for less than 300.reais "LET THEM WALK".... People have been saying they are asking too much for many years... If you refuse to pay that kind of price and they go home alone, often enough, they will start to negotiate...
AMEN Ken! The reason they charge so much is that there are enough foreign fools who pay it. This only drives up prices for all of us and in Rio, land of pussy galore, this is completely unnecessary. Just walk away and find someone else. Go to a terma. Even if I had the money and didn't care I'd still feel a sense of duty to my colleaugues on this board to keep prices reasonable in the given culture. If you had any idea how much 300R really was there you'd see how crazy you'd be to pay it!
And yet another amen...
I've been here in Rio for over a month now, and I have yet to pay 300 Reais for a girl, even for the Penelope Cruz look-alike I found in Help. When you consider that you can get laid for R$1 per minute in many of the grungier downtown termas, R$300 should only be paid to a true superstar (and those of you familiar with the term "microspinner" know what I mean.)
Two nights ago, while I was sitting at Terrific Asslantico, a garota approached and asked to sit down. She was kinda cute, loira, with really fair features. She started by asking R$400. After I finished wiping the tears of laughter from my eyes, I told her that I hadn't paid more than R$200 for anyone at T.A. or in Help. She said R$300. I ignored her. She said, "Ok, duzentos ta bom." I smiled, and started talking to my friends. Finally, she whispered to me "Duas horas, cem reais." It turned out she was a real winner for those two hours, and R$100 was a bargain.
Just remember, guys, only _you_ can prevent garota de programa inflation.
There are several very hot Help girls who are very jaded (spoiled) and who have been to Europe (London, Zurich, and Barcelona) and think since they were making 500-1000 euros a night there, they can charge 400-500 Reis at Help. They stick to their price and don't negotiate. They stay at Help until the wee hours and walk away if they don't get their price that night, living off their European earnings until the right sucker (who will pay 500 Reis), comes along. Avoid these hotties at all cost, not just because they are overpriced, but also because they end up being a bad experience as well. For instance, refuse DFK, BBBJ, or shorten the session for any imaginable reason.
They are bad news, and will ruin a Rio experience when it can be so good with a less experienced girl.
Buyer Beware!
Amen again. When a girl asks 400r, 300r its like she is asking are you stupid? Are you desperate? I don't care if it is their high season 200r is still a lot of money there--almost a typical month's salary for most people. There are too many other options like termas or escort services at a decent price to give in to that bullshit. Most times if you stick to your offer price the girl you want will get reasonable rather than go home to their bunk bed barracks empty handed. Dudes, be a man and don't get p-whipped in the girls a plenty land of Rio.
Take a lesson from Nvr2L8, guys, that's how it's done!
Great advice....
What nightclubs and restaurants do any guys suggest to visit for picking up non-pros?? Does Rio or Ipanema have any major shopping area (like a Mall) where many non-pro women congrugate to shop like here in America?? Are there party nights that are more bustling than others (like here in the States, with Fridays & Saturdays), or is any day of the cool?
Oh yeah....cellphones. What are the going daily rates for cellphone rentals....including calls to the US?
I know this is like 20 questions, but this should tie up the final loose end questions which have been on my mind on how to plan for the trip.
Thanks guys....
damaja
How's your Portuguese??? If you are not pretty good you can pretty much forget picking up any non-pros......
Even if you go to another night club don’t expect too much. I have seen it and heard it many times before. Some young studs walk into a night club expecting it to be just like Help Disco. but with “non-pros.” and get snubbed by every girl in the place…They always wind up going back to Help to get laid..
If you do manage to meet a girl there, what makes you think she is a non-pro? They don't work every night and like to go out clubbing with their friends.. On more than one occasion I have seen many of the working girls at other clubs in town and sometimes they find a customer gullible enough to think they are not working.
It makes for a better sad story later when she asks you for $$$$$... “I got fired from my job and I have no money,, My rent is due and they will put me (and my baby or mother or whole family) in the street…..
I don’t want to go to Help Disco. I can't have sex with strangers for money.. but I’m desperate”…..
I keep telling you guys that you are not very likely to meet a non-pro in Copacabana or even in Ipanema…..
They know you’re a tourist..
You can’t speak the language..
They can’t speak any English, or just speak a few words….
You will be going back home in 1 or 2 weeks… what kind of relationship can you expect?
I have been living here in Rio for almost 3 years now and I can not tell you of ONE successful long distance relationship …. IT DOES NOT WORK…. If you want to meet someone and fall in love you will most likely have to MOVE to Brazil……
I don't think there's a right price to pay or at least a standard rate
in the last 2 weeks I picked up 8 different girls (1 of them several times) and I paid different rates
one night I wanted to test (1st time in my life) a duplas (2 girls)
2 hours with them for 300 reais with 2 girls from Help
I paid the same amount in Centaurus for a 40min. session
I also paid 100 reais for 1 hour for one of the best fuck of my life
the lesson I learned is: make a test (wherever, SW, termas or boate), if you like her, get her phone and call for a second session
these girls usually fuck better and better
just remeber that it's very easy to fall in love with them even if pros...
cuidado amigos
I Just spent 3 weeks in Rio from 12/29 till 1/22, its sad I had to come back, the price for a ***** from Help is way up because of these Europeans who are spending their Euros, thus causing a lot of Americans a lot of pain. I spent $5000 in 3 weeks including $800.00 Airfare from San francisco. I did not account for how I was spending everynight, you go to a Terma 4x4/65 thats about Rs225 for one hour with some drinks, then end up at Help, by the time you leave with a decent girl you will spend Rs350-400 per night, those Vodka & Red Bull cost Rs18 ea time, these girls really know how to suck you up. Every other girl wants a free drink if you even look at her. I have never spent more than Rs250/day in the past, I have been going to Rio for the past 4 years this was my 20th trip, I really screwed up this time, I had a lot of fun though. Will put up some pictures soon.
For two days I had four girls in my appartment, that was a blast. I had no energy left, problem was they were always talking in Portuguese, I don't understand a word of it. There were some ups & downs & Cat fights but was OK, I was too afraid of being robbed with no safe in the room.
I love Rio, no place in the world comes close for Weather & fun. I know I will go to Hell when I die, but I know I have been & lived in HEAVEN (Rio) many times so I don't care.
It is easy for guys to give you advice not to fall in Love in Brazil, but who do you love your wife/girlfriend who gives you a little peck on your cheek & is too busy in doing her own thing, let me tell you Brazilian girls can make you forget all your problems with their passion, even though it is only for a short time, but it is the best feeling in the world, besides getting laid.
I did some models from Belo Horizonte that would rate as 10+/11, 19-21 year old,you could not even get within a 100 yards close to them in States, unless you are Ben Affleck/Ricky Martin, for a guy who is 50+ years old & Pudgy that is Heaven.
Did 35 girls in 20 days, so I am beat for know, but can't get it out of my mind, I have to move to Rio in the next 2 years.
GJ
Damaja,
There are three main shopping malls I know of in Rio. Rio Sul at the Leme-Botafogo end of Copacabana. One in Sao Conrado, and the biggest and best called Barra shopping in Barra Tijuca. Lots of good looking gals here but beware in Rio Sul for I have seen different girls from Help in there before. You might think you have a non-pro only to be played like a fish by a real Pirahna. But the girls working in the stores seem like a reasonable bet for GFE. Also, local buses and the Metro seem to always have hotties coming and going, another possible source for a pickup. But as everyone says learn as much Portugese as possible.
Yeah Yeah Yeah you are all experts who coulda talked them down to 50 cents. When you find the exact one you want and you offer 200R after 15 minutes of chatting in fluent Portuguese and she turns around and walks away, you will find out. After I spend $2,000 to get to and stay in Rio, I am gonna select a 10 and I am not gonna cry over another $17. Check out my new entries in the Photo section, including IDENTICAL TWINS, and THEN tell me you would have walked away.
Kenn,
Thanks for the advice, but I think you're missing what I'm inquiring about. From what I get from your post, I'll need to know Portugese pretty well to pick up non-pros, and that's cool...
But I'm not looking for a relationship from these women, just a good time while I'm there. Women (non-pros) all around the world have sex with tourists visiting their country for a week or two and don't expect a relationship.....I was just wondering how possible this is in Rio with limited knowledge of Portugese and without spending alot of money.
Thanks for the advice everyone.
Damaja,
On meeting local non-pros, here is the basic problem you will encounter. And all Cariocas know that single American and European men travel to Rio for one thing - sex. So many local women know you are only there for sex. Unlike say if you were to visit London or Rome or whereever. Plus few Cariocas speak much english, so you need to learn some portuguese. It's pretty hard to chat up a gal when she cannot understand you.
Now, assuming you speak some portuguese, here would be my suggestions. If in Copacabana, you will be viewed as just another sex tourist. If in Ipanema, you have a very small chance, but this is were the rich elite of Rio live - who can have whatever they want and are thus quite spoiled and picky. Instead, try other areas of Rio, such as the music clubs in Lapa or head out to Barra da Tijuca, or over to Niteroi. Anything to get you somehwere where you become more of a novelty and an attraction, rather than just another sex tourist. If you know how to samba, hit one of the samba school rehearsals, called an ensaio. They normally run Sept to Carnival and are filled with lots of beautiful locals having a night of fun.
However, it is possible to meet and do a local hottie. In 2002, I went to the beach out past Barra da Tijuca on a friday. I met a very cute thin 20 year old morena named Marcela who was skipping out on her college classes that day. She was easily an 8. I started casually flirting with her. We ended up talking and laughing all afternoon. I then invited her to join me for a bite to eat at a local restaurant. We ended up kissing and I said in portuguese "wow, brazilian women are great kissers." She replied, "You have never kissed a brazilian women before?" In a huge lie, I said no. At that point she jumped on me and stuck her tongue down my throat. She then dragged me to a love motel. Once there, she quickly took off all our clothes and asked if I was her first brazilian woman even. Lying again, I said yes, she was my first brazilian. She then proceeded to humped my brains out for the next two hours - so proud that I was her first Brasileira! (Not!) We each came several times. Best sex of my life.
Total cost = about $15 for dinner and $20 for the love motel. She paid for the cab to the love motel. The only thing I gave her was my e-mail address, since I was leaving Rio the next night. We exchanged a few e-mails before her account closed down.
My advice if you are heading to Help - remember that it is a barter economy in there. Just because a garota states a price, it does NOT mean you have to accept this price. Too many americans and europeans just blindly pay a garota's initial asking price.
Instead, make a counter offer and negotiate a little with her. It is part of the game. Brazilian women love to flirt and tease so negotiate in a playful manner. If she won't budge on the price - move on to another garota! There are lots of hotties in there.
With the high season now in full swing, it may be harder to do this, but look around Help and compare the ratio of garotas to guys. If it is a sausage fest, you may be stuck. But, if it is in your favor, negotiate like crazy. She knows her odds of landing a customer that night are not great. Also, try going later on at night, around 2, 3, or 4 a.m., when the crowd starts to thin out. Her odds of landing a customer really start to decrease then, and she does not want to crawl back late at night to her bunk bed barracks with nothing to show for her efforts.
My usual mode is to take a nap until about 1 a.m. or 2 a.m. and then get ready and hit Help. I have never paid a garota's initial asking price at Help. Some times I have gotten them to knock R50 off an initial reasonable price. Other times I have gotten them to knock up to R150 off their intial price. It has always been for TLN, with one or two rounds at night and another round when we wake up the next morning.
And I have walked away from 7s, 8s, and 9s who have refused to move from a crazy initial asking price of R300, or even R400!
damaja
Hey what can I say, I live here in Rio and deal with 300-400 tourists just like yourself every year, looking for free pussy..
Give it a shot, what can you loose......... Time?
Let us all know what you discovered.....
I agree with Kenn. (Are you Ken with the artificial leg?)
Lotsa guys confuse pros with girlfriends, and become convinced that either:
1. This pro really loves me and I am different than the 1,000 other guys she has been with, and we really have something special, and her mother really DOES neeed an operation.
2. Since I am apparently irresistable to young hot chicks in Help, apparently all 20 year old Brazilian/Thai/Colombian/etc. girls find middle-aged overweight Americans like me irresistable, so I should be able to find a REGULAR girl who worships me.
3. This "regular" girl I finally found is not a pro, and her mother really DOES need an operation.
Been there, done that, have the T-Shirt, and now I get to watch other guys make the same mistake while I get to feel older and wiser.
Man, isn't this board about having sex with pros? If you want to pick up regular girls, go to that big mall Rio Sul, or whatever it's called. Why the hell would anyone want to have sex with a regular girl? Do you think you're gonna be able to drop the big perversions on her? Doubt it. Do you think your gonna be able to have sex with her by the fifth date? Doubt it.
But I don't know. A regular-girl friend to a pro showed up to one of those clubs behind the Hilton in S.P. and picked me up one night. She was drunk and wanted it up the glory hole. Really. I swear on my unborn half-'n-half Brasilian children. She was FINE too.
Anyway, we go back to the hotel room (rented for 2 hours), I go to squirt, she walks up, closes the door with a smile, and leaves. Ha. I went back and fucked her friend for 25 dollars. Both were part time models. I have pictures of the pro -- I should get them developed.
Moral? Lighten up. The grass is never greener, and all of that. Hey, that's funny -- cause the pro girl had the added attraction of busting out a joint. Sookie sookie, homes.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
Lots of discussion around prices and girls from Help. In my experience the independents from Help (or Meia Pataca, Balcony bar etc) were really hit or miss. I had one great experience with a girl who I spent two nights with and in between she took me sight seeing and to a Samba school . I gave her a total of 500R$ for the two days. I had some decent short time experiences at decent prices (100R$ for 2 hours etc) and one bad experience (although part of it was my fault for being too tired!). In that case I had assumed all night for 290R$ with a hot blonde 18yo who spoke good english but she left after a couple of hours.
However the best experiences consistently were the Terma girls. The trick is to make a connection, get their number and have them overnight. I had one who I really got along with and she didnt even want any money after an all nighter. Unfortunately that was my last night in Rio!
American citizen Douglas Alan Skolnick, 55, a retired worker from New Jersey, sits in a cell after being arrested for allegedly making an obscene gesture while being fingerprinted and photographed at the international airport in Foz de Iguacu, 800 kilometers (500 miles) southeast of Sao Paulo, Brazil, on Friday, Feb. 6, 2004. It was the second incident of its kind in three weeks, after Brazil imposed new entry rules in response to similar rules in the United States for citizens of Brazil and other countries whose citizens need visas to enter. (AP Photo/Aurea Cunha/Agencia Estado)
How interesting that a US citizen is in a Brazilian jail after breaking the law. That is what usually happens if you don't respect the rules in a country where you are a guest. What do you think what would happen to anyone making an obscene gesture to a US customs officer? The same maybe? Let's stick to the subject of this website, having great sex all over the world!
Go Joe,
I have seen your posted photos of the twins. Awesome.
Could you please post some of the 10s and 11s from Belo Horizonte? Did you pick them up at HELP as well?
Later,
Almotu
>> damaja
>>...
>> I keep telling you guys that you are not very likely to meet a non-pro in Copacabana or even in Ipanema…..
They know you’re a tourist..
You can’t speak the language..
They can’t speak any English, or just speak a few words….
You will be going back home in 1 or 2 weeks… what kind of relationship can you expect?
>> I have been living here in Rio for almost 3 years now and I can not tell you of ONE successful long distance relationship …. IT DOES NOT WORK…. If you want to meet someone and fall in love you will most likely have to MOVE to Brazil……
Kenn's the man, he knows what he's talking about here. I went to disco in Ipanema myself. Ended up at Help that same night, after being (hate to admit) snubbed!
Kenn,
Picture # 2 for you of the beach with topless
GJ
Please excuse the dumb questions (and please feel free to point me to a Brazil FAQ).
1) What is a Terma?
2) What exactly does TLN mean? I assume it's an all nighter.
Today, Feb. 8th, O Globo (biggest newspaper in Rio) published an article about prostitution in Copacabana, and how foreigners are exploited.
According to the article, foreigners are charged much more than Brazilians for the same products and services. Pretending to be a foreigner tourist, the reporter was charge R$400 for fish and some beers (the beach chairs alone costed R$100), whereas another reporter was charged R$15 for beers and chairs.
http://oglobo.globo.com/jornal/rio/133818980.asp
PurpleNGold
At the top of the screen(browser) click on "Terms and abbreviations" this will explain many of these types of questions you have including what is "TLN". You won't find what is a Termas, which is the Portuguese word for "Sauna". But in our case it refers to the several establishments in Rio that this board has mentioned many times like "Monte Carlo", 4X4" and Centaurus. These are basically establishments where men can go and take a sauna, relax, have a drink, listen to music and best of all choose a girl from the selection provided and spend a minimum of 40 minutes with her in a private room to do what ever it is he desires. This for the mere price of about $R225 reais including drinks more or less. Hope this HELP'S.
This is a piece of the front page that unforgiven refers to below.
Well if you are stupid enough to shell out 400R$ for ANYTHING you probably deserve it. I didn't see too many tourists paying much over local rates. Every beer I bought was under 5R$ all over Copacabana.
Would someone be so kind as to post the 6 best sauna clubs in Rio, their address and tel #, and the price. As to price, I am kind of confused as I read all of the posts of every Rio "year". Are these places "till you shoot", or do you get to utilize all of the time paid for? I know this is kind of a YMMV question, but what is the "rule" on this in general?
Please excuse some of my English, I am from Germany. I have been to Rio once before for a few days (10 years ago), and I visited 2 Termas. Monte Carlo was one and the other I don't remember the name. It was an exclusive club in the Centro area. The exchange rate with the Deutschmark was very poor and the Centro place came to 240 DM (approx. 120 US!), and this was the "basic" price. I have done quite a bit of mongering in the past years and I don't remember what the deal was in these places. Can we have some dialogue on this?
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Question: I am porn shooter
http://www.maxcandy.com/Portfolio/
Moving top Rio tommorrow, wondering if anyone know anything about agents, model, other producers, its more a 3 month vaction for me, but would love to meet some contacts while there, any advice?
Max Candy
Hello Lover Boy #2,
In my experience at Thermas Lumono, Monte Carlo, and Aeroporto, you can shoot as many times as you can for the allotted time. I have never been rushed or had a session end early.
hojo
oh my god....the sky is falling. all is lost. save the women and children. they have raided the terrace atlantico.
....terrace, in front of help, when there was a large police raid, apparently in response to yesterday's article on prostitution in el globo. feederales with machine guns raided the terrace, along with el globo cameramen shooting photos and videosof people. myself and my girl ran. girls were rep001tering everywhere. they cornered a bunch of girls in the bathroom, and i don't know what happened after that, because we left in a hurry. possibly help is next. events still unfolding...
ba here i come.
HEADGAMES-i know of one relationship with one of these girls that is working pretty well- between myself and my brazilian girlfriend but i do admit that it can be pretty tough at times . i met her here last year and we have been virtually inseperable ever since . i am in rio with her now staying in copa in an apartment which we use as a base to set out on exursions around rio .
being in copa can be a real strain . we get some real dirty looks and some stupid comments from the mostly uneducated cariocas.
they all assume that i am a gringo tourist with a working girl . i have to restrain myself from fighting with some of these idiots because i know if i do start a fight you are not just fighting one but their friends also . they are all very brave with their shit statements when they are in bunches of 5 and 6 . i`m sure many of you understand what i am talking about if you can understand the statements or the girl you are with tells you .
the fact is guys these cariocas hate our asses for coming here taking the cream of their girls . many of these guys will never in their lifetime spend a night with girls as beautiful as we stay with here .
UNFORGIVEN- on the subject of been ripped of as a tourist in brazil ( rio especially) I KNOW ALL ABOUT IT.
this too along with the smart comments from the uneducated cariocas has been a strain on my relationship with my girlfriend. you see i`m a businessman back home in europe and there is one thing i cannot take is being ripped off.
i can afford it but i point blank refuse to stay in a hotel in copa. because they charge european prices even though the costs to them to provide this service are far, far less than europe.
the price difference between restaurants is crazy. you can easily pay 2 times as much for the exact same meal in the same standard of reastaurant.
on the subject of beach chairs . i bought 2 and an umbrella for nearly the price of 2 days rental here . i am staying in brazil for 7 weeks total .
i am renting an apartment for 7 weeks for what most gringos pay for 4 nights stay in a hotel in copa.
i refuse to leave tips at restaurants where there is a service charge included in the bill.
i sometimes have fights with my girlfriend because she sometimes mistakes my shrewdness for being mean but when i explain to her that i refuse to be treated like a stupid tourist she usually understands .
I have also read the Oglobo art. and be gotten about that.
I hope that the favela boys raise her weapons as every year about Carnaval in Rio´s favelas. That the police realize what is really important in this city.
Shit happens, when Help closed down, I go to Vila Mimosa or Termas Bangu, alone the PM has fear to drift in the Bullet holes. What I want is the only one: Beatiful Girls and no more fucking shy woman in the citycentre of my town.
Gonzalez
Max Candy:
If I were you, I'd just go to the sex clubs and audition women there. I bet any woman you'd want would be into it. In my opinion, there'd be enough talent to compete with the gallery you've posted (and I recognzed some of those girls from Private porn) in most of the clubs.
I don't think there's a lot of porno/explicit modeling in Brasil. Dunno. I know there's a lot of glamour modeling, however. I've long been thinkin of starting a web site on all the pics and videos that I've taken/want to take. I might have enough after next trip. The women there are as pretty as any in E. Europe or Russian.
PM (personal message) me for more if you want. Great question.
Happy Hunting!
JWadd
Max Candy:
Also -- don't forget that Sao Paulo has about 100 times the availabilty of women that Rio does. No tourist rip-off artists in S.P either (or at least not many) -- which is sadly a high pecentage of the garota population in Rio.
I hooked up with three different fashion models while I was there last -- all free-lancing at strip clubs for a little extra cash. What lays!
JW
The Secretary of Public Safety and three police stations have joined their forces to repress the work of pimps and prostitutes in Rio during Carnival. The campaign was launched Monday morning and includes a team of at least 50 officers, from specialized police stations that caters to tourists, entertainment activities and children and adolescents.
Authorities explained that they are aware that the campaign will not end prostitution, but believe the joined effort will minimize the problem in the city, particularly in regards to the exploitation of minors. Yesterday, Edvaldo dos Santos was arrested in Copacabana offering prostitutes to tourists. He carried a catalog that displayed pictures of half-naked women and girls, one of them clearly less than 10 years old.
The business of prostitution on the oceanfront is also fed by beaches vendors. In addition to overcharging tourists, many times they offer women, working as middle-men in the deals. In return, prostitutes stimulate clients to purchase drinks and food. There has also been reports of minor thefts against tourists committed by prostitutes.
Just returned to Bangkok for some more action after 10 days in Guaruja, Santos, Ilhabela. (My 47th trip into Brazil in 15 years of my 35 years of life) Picked up very nice amatures students. Read it in my Sao Paulo section. For people who tired of city of Rio, I like to tell you some nice places in Estado Rio to pick up nice amatures. I recommend Angra dos Reis. Lots of girls on vacation. Lots of out of staters. The girls on holiday are easy to pick up with a car and spending some money on taking them out. They have lots of free time and if you offer take them for drive and dinner, my experiences 50% will go. And after that it takes personal technic to score. Read in my article in Florianopolis section for a personal tip.
And another good place to hunt for amatures is Buzios. Both places are very safe and relaxed. In summer time lots of vacationers. Lots of garotas from other states. Don't be shy and spend some money. So easy to pick up amatures in Brasil. They are much more fun too.
Guys,
Looking for more Rio update, after the Police raid. I have only been gone three weeks now. Are Meia Pataca, Balcony & Help operating like the same as before or have they started to restrict girls from their usual activities, I guess this will increase Termas business in Rio. Will it make Rio a safer place than before & for how long.
I guess the Police are doing this just for the Carnaval, because too many foreign reporters are there at this time, it will make them look good, but Brazil needs the mongerer - Tourists & prostitution, it helps the economy a whole lot, there are very few girls that save their money, they blow it on clothes,food, cosmetics etc & some on drugs. I hope some of my girls stick around till late March when I go back.
GJ
Brazil Government just released this press release. I think the US been putting pressure on them or something.
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (Reuters) - Bare-breasted, hip-thrusting Carnival beauties may stoke lust in some tourists but Rio de Janeiro authorities hope to temper their ardor with reminders that not all sex in the city is legal.
Concerned about Rio's image as a major sex tourism destination and the crime that surrounds prostitution, city prosecutors are launching a campaign against sexual exploitation and the use of minors in the sex trade.
The drive, which involves a police crack-down on pimps and brothels as well as a public awareness campaign, coincides with Rio's world-famous Carnival jamboree that kicks off on Feb 20.
One of its focal points is tourism.
"Sex tourism is no good for the city," Ana Lucia Melo, prosecutor in a special unit combating the sex trade and child prostitution, told Reuters.
Young people wearing T-shirts saying "Sexual exploitation is a crime" will distribute pamphlets to tourists across the city explaining that having sex with a person under 14 could land them in jail for up to 10 years.
"We will make contact with all the tourists coming to Rio, in the airports, in the seaport, in hotels and even during Carnival processions in the street," she said.
The city is already swarming with tourists and loud rehearsals for colorful samba parades have begun.
It is not illegal in Brazil to offer sexual services or to use them but exploiting other people or running a brothel is an offense with jail terms of one to five years.
Melo said police will regularly raid areas in the city center, along Copacabana beach and in the Barra de Tijuca neighborhood that are notorious for prostitution. Seven under-age prostitutes, including three transvestites, were detained in one such raid earlier this week on Copacabana.
"This operation does not end with Carnival. It will go on with the aim of reducing prostitution and punishing those who cash in on the miserable situations that make many women sell their bodies," she said.
A special U.N. envoy said in November the problem of child prostitution and sexual exploitation in Brazil was worse than in most other countries because of poverty, crime and tourism.
Non-governmental organizations estimate the number of child prostitutes in Brazil at between 100,000 and 500,000, out of a total population of 175 million.
what is going on in rio right now? they raided the terraco atlantico? i don't imagine you could get in trouble if you're just sitting there right? what are these raids about? is it just for **** girls? if that is the case, who cares, if you're doing **** girls you deserve to get caught. is rio going to change, is what we do still okay?
Article on Rio and crackdown to fight sex tourism. Hope they fail, Rio is a fun spot. Happy Hunting.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040211/wl_nm/crime_brazil_prostitution_dc_1
Antoninho - thanks for the input. Funny thing is, I did hook up with a complete amateur for a while (in Macae, actually, not in Rio). But I've had such shitty luck with amateurs on all my other trips, I just think that it's the exception, not the rule, for us gringos. Man, if I were you and had a real girlfriend in Rio, I would stay the hell away from Copa!
That reminds me, I've got a couple of good stories about Macae, I should post them sometime. There's no section for Macae, though.
To avoid getting ripped off in Rio, the best defense is learning Portugese. Some merchants like me for that and charge local prices for a beer or "cerveja" for just 1Real. When I walked up to another merchant asking for "beer", the merchant tried to charge my 5 Reais. I walked away from that stand knowing that the typical price for "cerveja" is 1 Real. I do stand a better chance of blending in than a European because I can look like a carioca when I get a tan. I am actually of Asian decent and I can speak some Portugese. A pro in HELP when I went with my Brazillian friend on my very first trip before I learned English was trying to charge me 400Reais. I was going to naively accept until my Brazillian friend who took my to Brazil pulled me away and said it was a bad deal. My friend spoke on my behalf to another pro and got me a girl for just 150 Reais.
By the way, I heard they were going to shut down brothels and arrest pimps. I was wondering what the latest situation is on this. I read an article about it yesterday that starting Monday they have started trying to clean up Rio for Carnival. I also heard that HELP closed down. have they raided the termas as well? If so, I don't think it is worth going anymore. I also know that all the termas are closed during the Carnival days.
Thanks for info guys, just arrived in Rio an hour ago.
Feeling good!
Anyone want to show me the ropes? I can return favour in Prague or Budapest.
Got flat in Ipemnema.
Private message me if your interested in showing a jaded 34 year old pornographer the the Rio thing.
Cheers
Maxc
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Seems it maybe dark times ahead for Copacabana. Somebody I know who was there at the time of the raids on the Balcony told me that news crews accompanied the cops on the raids. Question is, if you're in a terma and it gets raided, do you want to be on television in a robe or worse still, caught in the act in the cabine?
Go Joe,
I'd like to share your train of thought, but I think its just wishful thinking on your part. Brasil actually has very little organised prostitution when compared with Thailand etc and they definately don't need it to keep the country afloat.
As for foreign reporters? Well I've seen many generalised reports on the TV and in the newspapers about Carnival and very rarely do they focus on prostitution. I guess all those reporters will be upset now as they might not get laid :-).
Maybe Rio will go the way of Cuba..........
The word in Rio is don't worry, this happens every year before Carnival and then everything returns to normal. Don't worry be happy.
With the thousands of girls working the program and the many thousands of guys here for the program they only managed to arrest ONE guy and 7 minors!! I don't think they are really trying hard to inforce anything. Just a dog and pony show to show the news media they are cracking down. I bet you will not hear too much if anything more about this.
I heard rumor that minors where found working at Help, and thats it's closed. anyone in Rio care to elaborate?
Cutting Edge:
when was Balconey Raided? I was there end of Jan, when 6 minors were working Balcony. Balconey was closed for about 3 days. i heard they paid $3-4, 000 fine.
The termas will be fine. Although prostitution is legal in Brazil, pimping and running a house of prostitution are not. However, the termas still manage to do a landover business amongst the Rio elite. Remember until recently the termas were the exclusive relaxation grounds for Rio businessmen after a hard day's work, including lots of government officials until just a few years ago. Then the word got out to us fellow mongers. The termas get by with the appropriate payouts to the appropriate officials.
The current action is just a campaign to clear the streets of obvious child prostitution prior to the tourists arriving for Carnival (and a much needed campaign at that!!)
I would not be concerned about going to a terma. They are very discrete facilities. Unless you know what to look for, most tourists would not even notice them when walking by - unlike a child trying to turn tricks or being pimped by someone on Av. Atlantica. Besides, the termas are all closed for a few days during Carnival.
As for minors in Help, every night I have ever been there, I have seen at least a couple of obvious minors in there. I onced asked a garota whom I had seen a few times about it. She just rolled her eyes and said that they either have fake id cards or borrow an older gal's id card in order to get it. So, I guess the usual warning applies . . . if she looks too young, she probably is.
Hello,
Who is in Rio now?
Max
So what is everyones favourate place that is open?
Chingon:
To paraphrase Mark Twain: the reports of Help's demise are greatly exaggerated. It was just a show by the police in response to a series of articles in the local paper about prostitution in Copa. I was in Help last night (this morning) 'til about 4am.
Hopefully after Carnaval this nonsense will die out.
Wish I were in Rio now. It's been a few months and I need my fix. Anyway, some of you may remember that a couple of years ago a weatherman in Rio gave an unfavorable forecast for the New Year holiday, warning away thousands of tourists. When the weather turned out to be nice, they attempted to charge him with a crime and throw his ass in jail. If you consider that along with all the other circus-like actions of the Brazilian authorities, it makes me think that these recent prostitution arrests are more of the same and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
am in rio now with my girlfriend- she is brazilian . i met her here last year . we go to help sometimes together. you learn a lot about the rio scene when you have a brazilian girlfriend.
just want to say a couple of things about help disco .
probably the most annoying thing is when i am with my girl and i go to the toilet for a couple of minutes and i come back to discover that some idiot (who knows for sure i am with this girl) offers my girl some ridiculous amount of money in an obvious attempt to buy her away from me . my girl tells me everything that goes on and she told me that this italian shit offered her 200 dollars at first or for her to name her price . this is not the first time that this has happened - i wrote about it here last year . i think it really takes a low life to try to do this behind a fellow griongos back . i went looking for the idiot to give him a piece of my mind or maybe something more but i could`nt find him . this guy knew that my girl was with me because it was the first thing my girlfriend told him but he persisted.
The prostitutes belong to Rio de Janeiro like sugar loaf. A lot of tourists come frequently to RJ because of the Garotas here and not because of Sugar Loaf, Cristo, etc. If the politicians and the mayor banish these girls form Copa it would be amount to blow up sugar loaf. The "garotas de programa" are an important economic factor and everybody now this very well. Help probably has more visitors then the modern art museums and other attractions.
Anyway, the raids have only one intention: to show the people the police are present and are well prepared for the Carnival. Actually the police are happy to get the violence during these days.
Needless to say, that the police took this opportunity to “earn” some extra money from the owners of the bars.
By the way, it is not a secret that the “Policia Civil” is always with few guys in Help and Balcony.
Dr. Pimpolho
Rio Bob,
Thank you for your words about everything returning to normal after carnival. I was getting a little worried about Copa. I have tickets for April, does anyone know how the weather is during that time?
If you don't want other guys hitting on your girlfrend, don't go to Help. If guys hit on your girlfriend, take it as compliment. No reason to get mad. After all, Help is .... HELP.
I actually saw a American couple playing a game in the Help. They seems to be wife and husband. The wife is not young. The husband would leave the wife alone and sat a few seats away. He watched guys hitting on his wife. I did not stick around to see what kind of game they played.
Life is too short. Don't let these litter things stopping you to live the life.
I heard that there are girls fighting over guys in Help a lot. I never see it happened. It would be funny to watch if guys fight over girls. They are plenty of selection in the Help. I have to beat girls away with a stick.
antoninho, You have no one to blame for upsetting you but yourself..... I don't understand it. Why would anyone take his girlfriend to HELP Disco. in the first place?? Then you complain when someone hits on her...
I would never never go within 100 yards of Help Disco. with any girl I had any feelings for.
Looking back over this page seems to highlight how ignorant some people are of Brasil and Brasilians. To actually believe that Rio or Brasil actually owes its financial stabilty to a few gringos paying a few hundred reals for a lay is beyond belief. Last time I looked, Brasil was in the top ten in the world for GDP (thats Gross Domestic Product not Garota da Programa). Looking at the behaviour of some individuals both outside and inside Help may hint at why a crackdown occured. Obnoxious and drunken behaviour isn't welcome anywhere as are T-shirts with Portuguese swear words worn by ignorant gringos. Some forget that Copacabana is a residential area with a population around 300,000.
You should also know it is one of the poorest countries in the world sans Africa.
Cutting Edge,
I have very little to say, but will point out that there is a big difference between the GDP of a country versus it's cash economy base. Brazil is a great example of a country with a HUGE trimodal distribution - 1) Those who earn a lot, 2) those who earn enough, and 3) THE GREAT MAJORITY that struggle. The cash basis that operates most of Brazil's internal economy is not predicated on prostitution, but the economic problems that would be created would be terrific if it were made illegal (without other programs being put in place).
For instance, many of the woman who use this for cash have children. Without this, they would be forced to look for other employment where the money is worse and employability is unlikely.
The examples could go on for hours, but unless wide-sweeping economic changes are made, the GDP will never improve the life of the Brazilian at the lower end of the socio-economic curve.
(I do agree with your assessment of ignorant gringos wearing shirts that only reflect their stupidity. They make all of us look bad. I often find myself wanting to remind these guys that Brazil has a lot more going for it than just cheap P__sy - not that there's anything wrong with the latter.)
Sal (long time traveler to Brazil, but VERY rare poster)
Boxing Rule 222
...and what about all those other countries in latin america, the far east, middle east, eastern europe etc etc.
Is your statement meant to be an excuse for slobbish behaviour?
The redlight scene in Rio is a pinprick, 1 disco, 4 bars and a few boites. How many such establishments in Bangkok would you say?
Ok, I like this town! I was at Help, just as crazy as you guys said, took 2 girls all night 250 each, goning back very soon, if not tonight.
Now I ganna check out the themas, what is best one?
I am in Ppenmea.
Cheers
Maxc
Hello
Arrived yesterday in rio and wonders if anyone wants to grab a few beers and check out the scene.
Please pm
Max Candy:
They're all good (except maybe L'Uomo), but start with L'Uomo or Solarium, adress info is on this site, do a search.
Tom B.
Right on, RB, let's keep this board to topic and fun. I assume that even by now HELP is fully in business as are the surrounding cafes, no? Max Candy, my favorite terma is Luomo, followed a close second by Monte Carlo. Both are in Copacabana, Monte Carlo is a walk from HELP. I like starting at Luomo, then going to Monte Carlo and from there walking over to the scene at the Atlantic (Terrace?) Cafe, eating and then hitting HELP at midnight (Thank goodness for Viagra & Cialis!).
I was disappointed with terma 4X4: Too crowded, rushed and unenthusiastic service. Solarium was okay, lots of tall blonds if you like that.
Stay away from the streetwalkers in Lapa. They aren't girls, no matter how good they look. In fact, streetwalkers in Rio are a bad idea in general. They tend to be bottom of the barrel.
Who wants to meet up between March 12 and 22? I'm going down with a friend who's a Rio virgin.
Hi All,
Im pretty new to the board, but have read many many reports as I'm going to Brazil for the first time in March -April. First going to Rio for week to ten days, then plan a trip to Iguacu and Manaus via Airpass on either Varig or Tam.
Some advise on A couple of points would be much appreciated.
1. Does anyone know what Easter holiday is like there? Do the clubs, termas close? Is Rio either crazy or dead during this time? If there is spring break equivalent, is this a good or bad time in relation to prices and or crowds?
2. Does anyone know how Varig rates to Tam as to quality, delays for travel within Brazil? As with the above question, is this maybe not an ideal time to travel? I have the option to travel the weeks before Easter.
Thanks in advance for any tips.
M
Got a favor to ask of you guys. Has anyone seen recently a girl who looks like the porn star Kitty Yung, pic attached? She used to work at L'uomo, but may now be at another termas.
A friend of mine met her when we were in Rio and now wants to bring her to the US. I told him what I have been reading here about the girls cheating on their boyfriends and that he had better be careful. If anyone has seen her could you let me know here or send me a private message? He is a good guy and I would hate to see him get hurt.
Max Candy,
If you can, please try to hold the donations down to 200 reais.
Rio Bob,
I believe that "we" contribute a huge amount to the economy down there and if "we" went away, the palce would not change for the better. Who else spends any time in Copacabana? I see "civilians" (regular tourists) and I wonder what they're doing there, it doesn't make sense. Would you take your American wife to Copacabana? I don't think so.
I am also amazed that in the photo gallery here, I have slept with two of the girls and my friend "dated" one of them for a week. I would hate to play the game 6 degrees of separation with anyone in this forum, because I already see, I have a connection with some of you.
And lastly, everyone should see "City of God" to see what life is like inside of the favelas without risking your life and going in there. A really good movie.
Brasilian gilrs are the greatest anywhere, and I can't wait to get to Rio on april 16th for my tenth time in 3 years.
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Bob, always my pleasure to be of service!
Check her out.
Does anyone know if the restaurant Grottamare still exist?
GK
L'uomo:
As of yestreday, man that place rocks, seems fair and honest, good prices for drinks 8-12 R$. Rooms 40, girl 100.
Girls are hot, 30 girls/ 12 guys there at 6pm.
Man, now i see what you guys like this town?
Questions on thye Brazilian Way?
Seems like alot of guys were french kissing Pros at L'uomo, is that:
A) Normal here,
B) Safe?
My girl at L'uomo started licking my Ass. I did not ask, I did like, though is that pretty normal here too?
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Actually, Josh, the favelas are the safest places to be. The drug lords keep crime way down so as not to attract the police. I took, and highly recommend, a favela tour when I was in Rio last. It was very eye-opening (sorry for this totally nonsexual content!).
Genghis, looks like you have fine taste in food also:
Grottamare
Cuisine: Sea Food
Category:
Address: R. Gomes Carneiro, 132
Phone: 21-522-3186
Time Open: 7:00pm
Time Close: 1:00am
Description:
City Area: Zona Sul (South)
This is off of the BROL website, looks like it is still open.
Bon Apitit
donnie cabo,
what a great pick !
please share with us the cell of this beauty
we'll treat her as she worths...
Exec Talent, tell your friend to forget about her, its not a case of IF but a case of WHEN he's going to get his heart broken. This termas girls have sex with over 20-25 guys per week, having a relationship with one is a nightmare and doomed to failure. The only thing that is sure is that she will milk him for money. By all means, get a Brazilian girlfriend, but don't look on Copacabana especially amoungst the piranhas.
Secondly, tourists in Rio/Copa, the majority are from other parts of Brasil and South America, not the US of A. Most gringos don't realise who are tourists and who are not.
Hola,
Does anybody know if a girl named Isabela still works at Luomo?? She has collar length, straight black hair, big rack and a big dragon tatoo from knee to ankle on one leg. Any mongers out there seen this girl ???? I'm trying to avoid her for various reasons but would like to hit Luomo on my next trip.....
Thanks for the help....
RxHammer
I am looking for a brazilian agent who represents brazilian girls.
I am looking to film/photo the girls for a website.
Please private message me with your info.
I plan on going to Rio.
Ola! Gentlemen,
I envy you. The real is up to 2.99. And you are there in Carnaval.
I will not be there until May 13. So gather some information and pass it to me. But enjoy while you can. If you need a translater. Go to the Sheraton Hotel seek out Leslie. He works there speaks english and is very Honest and Trustworthy. Tell him Richard from California says Hello. and ask if his mother is well. Her name is Clarritta. Enjoy!
Richard
Rio Bob, some people here seem to believe that mongers paying 50USD for a BJ keeps Copacabana afloat, which it doesn't. In any of the termas in Copacabana you may see 15 or 20 gringos on any one night. That number divided into 300,000 is miniscule!
Seems everybody missed the post further down with the screen capture from OGlobo which showed screenshots of another website of this ilk. Who knows whos watching us!!
I've also noticed several new members asking guys to procure garotas for them, I'd treat such requests as suspicious. Maybe Oglobo is looking for a scoop.
Looks like the games over guys, the Federal Police are involved now.
http://www.expats.com.br/noticias.php?cod=3237
Hi Rio Bob,
firstly , has anybody asked you to post pictures of tourists sat in bars known for prostitution? I have spoken to both the guys in your picture over the past few years, I'm sure they'd be very happy to see their faces here. The chick in the white dress in the background is a coke head, complete pain in the ass, maybe you'd like to relax with her?
What I think doesn't matter, however what the Policia Federal thinks does matter. Oglobo, one of the worlds largest news agencies is mounting a campaign against foreign sex tourists, this matters. We now know that several websites have been infiltrated by the Policia Federal and Oglobo reporters, therefore all the touts contact details, meetings etc are known to them. Its obvious they would love to catch a gringo(I'd imagine preferably an American)in the act of running a pimping business. Do you not think it strange that suddenly two new members , both who claim to be in the porno industry are asking silly newbie like questions and asking for introductions to willing ladies?
Rio Bob, I agree, they are off the mark with repsect to the US websites, but somehow, people always hate it more when they are being taken advantage of by a foreign national.
Cutting Edge,
Your link does not work unless I register with Expat, which I'd rather not do. Can you give us a synopsis?
A new link, seems expats makes their story subscriber only after a short time.This link worked on Friday night and at time of posting.
http://www.expats.com.br/noticias.php?cod=3242
Basically there was a demo in Copacabana by a group called 'youths for peace' which targeted johns and hookers on the strip. A later paragraph mentioned the the Fed Gov of Brasil was aware of US websites promoting law breaking in Brasil and that they may ask the US gov to take them offline.
Doc here it is:
More than 100 members of the movement Youths for Peace joined the State in its campaign against the sexual exploitation of minors yesterday, in Copacabana. The young people paraded with banners and T-shirts and distributed pamphlets, written in Portuguese and English, warning tourists that sex with minors is a crime punishable with up to ten years in prison. Tourists and women, some of whom appeared to be minors, were seen getting up and leaving tables on Avenida Atlântica in the wake of the demonstration.
The Federal government is also setting its sights on the various Internet Web sites promoting sexual tourism in Rio. According to chief prosecutor, Carlos Alberto Aguiar, of the Attorney General’s Office, the federal government is considering asking the Justice department to forward a request to the government of the United States to have the sites shut down as they serve as an accessory to the committing of a crime.
I am in RIO for a few days by myself (except the occasional guest) and would like to hook up with some fellow mongers to see some of the carnival excitement.
Rio Bob. I bet the US can't wait to help Brazil. Especially when Brazil singled out only the Americans entering Brazil to be harassed.
They didn't single out Americans Nodd, they implemented reciprocal immigration measures. Some of you need to come down from that high and mighty pedistal, do you believe citizens of the US should be allowed to travel freely around the world while those of other countries undergo all sort of checks while entering the US? Nations operate tit for tat measures, thats why you've always needed a visa. From October, even those from the EEC will have to get overpriced visas to visit the US including those from the UK.
Considering the current 'internet sex exploitation' fever, your government may do something. However, even if they aren't shut down(highly likely), you can bet that they are monitored and various illegal businesses in Rio intercepted by the PF.
Burying your head in the sand, even the sand on Copacabana won't make this go away. This 'crackdown' has been brought about by the activities of a few drunken/obnoxious fools. Its so irritating to see a group of drunken gringos thinking that every girl that passes their table is up for grabs, how do you think the locals feel about it?
I can see that you are starting to agree with me RB, you've deleted a few of your current posts.
Rastaman, the issue is that of the websites which facilitate the introductions especially with regard to the so called 'tour guides' operating from these sites which under any definition are pimps.
RM, If you introduce a prostitute to a guy at the Help cafe, does that make you a pimp? Who is to say that you didn't do it for financial gain? There are some of the poorer expats down there who have been known to introduce girls to guys on a 3 to 1 deal (three intro = 1 freebie).
You statment also doesn't consider girls with fake ID's or that the age of consent varies if the girl is working or not.
This is a lot of hoopla for something that really doesn't concern me nor should it any of us. This crackdown was from the start targeted at minors and pimping. Prostitution itself is not and will not become illegal in Brazil. I don't deal with pimps or minors. If in doubt in a situation I pass, there are plenty of fish in the sea. Lighten up guys, if you are worried about this then I'm worried about you.
Last night Help was charging 45 reais for entry into the greatest discoteca in the world. The lines were long, the place was packed and Im sure nobody went home alone. Now in the middle of all this hoopla nothing has changed and doubt it will.
I have been reading WSG forum for about 3 years. I used it for research on Amsterdam trips and Paris trips. The information that all of you share here is just amazing! I am now planning a one week trip around March 26-April 4, 2004 and have a few questions.
I have been reading several weeks worth of reports for Thailand, Argintenia, and Rio, but I still don't know which would be the best palce to go. Based on your reports, I am leaning heavily toward Rio, which is why I am posting here, but I am not certain.
A few weeks ago, Langer posted some great info on pricing in Rio, but I am still confused about where to exactly go. 90% of my mongering experiences have been in the Amsterdam RLD, which is as simple as going to the RLD, walking down the street looking in the windows, and paying 50 Euros for a 15 minute FS with condom. Where in Rio should I go? Is the action in bars, sex clubs, or what? It sounds like girls in Rio will do BBJ and anal is no problem. Also, I read something about BBJ bars. Where are those?
Also, if anyone has suggestions on where I should go for a great experience, please let me know. I have never had LT experience with pros, but would like to try ths. The 15 minute Amsterdam RLD is just too rushed for me. Thank you!
It was posted on Expat.com (a news group based in brazil for english speakers) that the Brazilian government is requesting the US to crack down on web sites based in the US who promote sex tourisim. HUMMM.
Hey Rio Bob, maybe you should change your handle to "Spin Doctor" :-)
Cutting Edge, I'll change my name to Spin Doctor if you change your name to Naysayer.
You got it right Rio Bob, but the strange thing is, its OK for Brazilians to do it, but not foreigners. I think those marchers you photographed the other day would have been more effective down in Vila Mimosa which is 99.99% Brazilian. This thinking goes on all over the world. I found Thailand to be the worst in this respect. If a tourist was ever murdered, somehow the police would always find the "farang" that did it!!
cutting edge,
i'm sorry but you are just spouting the same b/s that brazil did and still continues to spout. the bottom line is, yes they did single out americans and only americans. america did not single out brazilians. they fingerprint and photograph anyone from any country that requires a tourist visa to enter the country. this "includes" brazil. what brazil did was childish and it will come back to bite them on the ass if it has not done so already.
also i wanted to touch on the subject of prostitution.
it is perfectly legal for someone to profit from renting their body for sex in brazil if you are over 18 years old. it has been and will continue to be that way for a very long time. it is illegal for any another individual to profit from that rental. sexual slavery in brazil is almost unheard-of.
some people in brazil are using the cover of "child prostitution" to make names for themselves for the next elections here in brazil. with all the raids in the past year they were not able to detain (not arrest, detain) more than a handful of **** girls. child prostitution in brazil is not the hugh problem that these politicians make it out to be. it certainly is not unique to tourists and i personally feel that 95% of the people having sex with minors are in fact brazilians. all this parading around in copacabana with t-shirts and flyers for tourists is just to single out the foreigners and ignore the real problem which is with brazilians.
Nodd, if you read my post below you'd see that I said they would have been better employed down in VM which is 99.99% Brasil.
Secondly, you seem to not understand what reciprocal means. Countries have immigration regulations which mirror each other. The US finger prints Brasilians and vice versa, whats your problem with that?
As for biting themselves in the ass? Well, the US has bitten themselves harder, apparently Brits alone spend 1 billion USD per year alone in New York. The new visa hassles in October will reduce this number by a vast amount. Considering the weak border with Mexico and the Caribbean, do you really think these new measures will stop terrorists?
Nodd, I have to agree with Cutting Edge.
I am sorry to say it, but you should be angry with your government instead of the Brazilian. The Brazilians are completely right to single out Americans for pictures and fingerprints, because the USA is the only country in the world to do the same to Brazilian citizens. It doesn't matter the USA is doing that to the rest of the world too. The Brazilian goverment is standing up for their own people, as a good government should. They don't take my picture and fingerprint because my (Dutch) government does not do the same to Brazilians. It 's that easy.
Cutting Edge,
Even though this is completely off topic I feel compelled to address your statement about:
"As for biting themselves in the ass? Well, the US has bitten themselves harder, apparently Brits alone spend 1 billion USD per year alone in New York. The new visa hassles in October will reduce this number by a vast amount. "
The new policy in the US with fingerprinting and photographing does not include Brits or other European Union countries it only includes countries that needed a visa before to enter the country and yes that would include Brasil.
But anyway, does anybody have any recent reports on the ground in Rio? How about some stories about those gemias(twins) in Help, are they still there? Any more pictures of them?
Obrigado
Roberto.
Carnival:
Its now Carnival time in Rio, I have been going to Rio since 1980 and have been there over 50 times and Im sure many of you mongers have been there more. My question is that in all the years and all the times I have been, I have never been there during Carnival.
How is it during Carnival?
Would you recommend it?
I have been in Rio a week before Carnival and there were many garotas in town but is it better during Carnival?
Should I go before I am like the man in the pic?
Bob, Carnaval to me was a disappointment. Why?
- queues at the termas for a locker
- prices x2
- poor service in restaurants etc due to the rush.
- silly prices charged just for a table at a cafe on AvAtl
- hotels booked up and asking silly money x3
- girls all in a rush wanted to do another trick
- the so called carnaval balls at Scala are utter crap!! esp the much over hyped 'preto e vermellho'
Bob, from October 2004, some UK visitors will have to pay £67. Later in 2005 when biometric passports become available, this visa will no longer be necessary.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3378717.stm
The united states start fingerprinting and photograhing most foreigners for a reason,the reason 09/11.Dutchman if you are in the US when that shit happened you would not have said what you are saying.The US needs to do more than fingerprinting and photograhping foreigners.Their backgrounds should be checked and when they land in the country they should be detained for an hr or two so they could be recheked and make sure they are all right and not a danger to the country and it,s citizens.lf they don,t wanna go through that , just don,t come over ,stay in your country.l have never in my life seen anything closed to what happened at the world trade center,NY.l hope nothing like that happen in any place on this earth.Brazil has the right do what they wanted as far as photograhing and fingerpriting united states citizen.
DogDays,
I only agree with your last statement. Brazil has the right to take pics and prints from American visitors.
I do not agree with your arrogant view that ONLY the USA has a good reason to ask that of people coming to the US because of 9/11 and that they should even detain visitors untill every background is checked. Terrorists can strike anywhere, not just in the US. And not always the danger comes from outside your country. Remember Oklahoma City?
I am not saying the USA cannot take pics and prints. What I am saying is that Americans should not be surprised when that happens to them as well.
Hi guys,
Any experiences from www.ciaplus.com?
Some of these ladies are so beautiful. They have a special right now for 5 girls for 2 hours for about $250.
Is there such a thing as Over Dosing on girls? LOL!
And also, I hear from everybody that 50% of the girls in Brazil are not in good health (STDs and AIDS). Is this true? There is gotta be a catch with this whole Brazil heaven story...Its too good to be true!
TIA
Cutting Edge, your right about Carnival, all the things you said are true and that's why I haven't gone yet but I was just checking again. Even the week before Carnival the girls especially the ones from out of town are looking to rush you and get back and do another trick, it was disappointing. I have found it much better to go other times as everything is much more relaxed and enjoyable.
I don't know, guys. I've always thought that this Rio board was too prone to paranoia. I've spent about 5 months in Brasil over 2 trips, screwed about 150 of her women, and traveled through about 50 of her cities (mostly all overland).
I've been to boites, clubs, bars and discos wherein I was the first gringo ever to step foot in them. Read the reports. I like to go deep.
Most of you guys like to go to Rio and stay in Rio. And I don't blame you for it. A lot of Brasil is gritty, blighted by industry and crime-ridden. Stay in Rio and live it up as best you can in her thermas, clubs, etc.
But the prospect of prostitution being somehow illegalized across the country is inconceivable. I even doubt of it ever happening in Rio. I don't know. I think of Help sitting there like a ripe piece of fruit waiting to be picked off the tree by some politician who claims to represent some voter-section who sees venues like Help as a sore on Brasilian culture, etc. I guess it's possible, given the right (or wrong) political agenda. Dunno.
In most of the cities outside of the gringo tourist loop, the sex scene is a little more informal -- and frequently MUCH better. Most women work out of pick-up bars, charge about 30 USD for an all-nighter, are ten times better looking (maybe only 5), etc. The beaches, incidentally, are usually better too.
Maybe the closure of the Rio sex scene is the best thing that could happen for the Brasilian sex market. Shut it down! Let all those numb-nut lurker mongers go back to Amsterdam, I say. Prices will lower, women will stay in their native markets, etc. Just a thought. I don't really care. Just trying to be controversial.
You see, it's so fucking easy to hook up in this country. You can walk up and kiss pretty girls in the street without an introduction. Fish in the barrel, man.
Point is, it's not a big deal either way. Prostitution in Rio might be in trouble for the next 10 years-whatever. But the culture that spawned it is here to stay -- and you can be confident of bangin' a new 9 every day with or without that "de programa" thing.
I love you guys! But you phuckers need to lighten up! Really, who fucking cares about your picture being taken at the airport?
Happy Hunting (and trying to keep the brotherhood a little more trimmed of its fat),
JWadd
P.S. Rio Bob -- I like your easy, informally happy style. Great voice on this board. Hope we can meet up someday.
Question for Dogdays, how many illegal immigrants are there in the US at the moment? How many enter each day via the southern border? When do you intend to scan these guys? The new regs are fruitless, only 1 month ago some Syrian smuggled bullets onto a plane flying OUT of Washington!!
Rio Bob, same here, I'm into the double figures like you but only saw Carnaval once. The cafe outside Help is a major joke, they ram in so many tables that you're almost falling off the pavement into the gutter. I also found there to be too many tourists clogging everything up, most of which will only ever spend a few days in Rio in their entire life.
I partially agree with jwadd
Brasil is for sure a great place to hook up but often it looks like easier than it actually is
I mean that, if the girl is not a garota de programa or a piranha, you can go out with her and easily kiss her, but to score is a different story...especially if you're a gringo
speak portuguese helps a lot, sure, but anyway you're always a guy "in transit" and the interest for you is related to what you can "give" her (in terms of fun, money, etc. etc.)
that's just my opinion and I'd like to be confuted by different experiences
I'm a Rio virgin and have just decided, on a whim, to go to Rio. This is my fist trip since my wife passed away months ago. After all the pain I've felt, I feel it is time to start feeling good.
Anyway, not really speaking the language nor having visited before, this is really an adventure for me! It would be nice to hook up with someone who has been there before and have a bite to eat and maybe to hit some termas with.
I have arranged to stay in an apartment during my stay that overlooks the beach a couple of blocks from Help.
I am scheduled to arrive in Rio on March 16 at Noon. Maybe we can arrange to meet sometime thereafter.
We can use e-mail or perhaps even talk on the phone if you want.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Larry
I am going on my first trip to Rio in March. I have read all of the trip reports and was hoping that I could get a list of places (restaurants, termas, agencies, bars, etc.) in Copacabana along with approximate prices in R$. I will be staying in an apartment a couple of blocks from Help.
I welcome all advice and sisistance and , if any of you are in Rio between Mar. 16 - 26, maybe we can hook up.
Thanks.
Larry
Cutting Edge .To tell you the truth ,l actually don,t know the exact number of illegal aliens coming to the usa .l guess they might be in 100,000 or more.What l,m saying is some guys get offended that the US demands the most foreign citizens coming to the US to be photograhed and fingerprinted before being allow to enter the country.The next thing they say is about Oklahoma city.The guy who did that shit is killed so will the next person who will do that, homegrown or not.Brazil can do what they want ,but one thing stand clear United States Citizens ain,t gonna be illegal aliens in Brazil.You couldn,t find one and are not going there to engage in terrorist shit.Hell no.When they go to Brazil they pump in Millions of dollars to Brazillian economy.You don,t like what gonna happen when you show your face at any US airport ,please don,t come.US citizens who don,t wanna go through that photopraghing/fingerprinting in Brazilian airports ,please stay home and spend the dollars here.
Hello All,
First time I went to Rio was in 1997 for Carnival. Back then the real and dollar was almost equal. Short time girl from the beach was $R40.00. Things have improved, since then dollar wise. I have been back 7 time now and will be back next month. All, I can say is PLEASE don't pay Help girls R400.00 or R300.00. I have been to some of the girl apartments, where they sleep 5 or 6 in one bed. Believe me when they see you in Help, they really don't want to go back to apartment with 5 other girls. They would much rather sleep in a nice big bed with you and make $R150.00 or $R200.00. Tell any monger you know just walk away. Better to go home alone and hit the terma the next morning than to pay those prices. Plus there are literally women everywhere! No need to rush to make a decision. In the cafes, on the beach. On the streets, in the terma. Please remember YOU are the commodity! Just the mere fact that you can aford to get on a plane, rent and hotel room or apartment and have money to spend, make you KING. A king would never bow down to a wench!
Dog Days, the passport BS is reciprocal, tit for tat, not much more to discuss. My point regarding the border is that if you have a sieve, blocking one hole won't stop the water pouring through.
By the way, there are more than a few illegal aliens in Copacabana holding US passports, several of them involved in running various pseudo-businesses!
[blue]Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
This discussion regarding visas could have been approprately conducted in the General Info section.
Anyway, let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson[/blue]
RIO BOB-you asked about rio during carnival? this is my third time to come here during carnival . i usually come here end of february and stay for 6 weeks and i have to say that the worst week by far is the week of carnival. help disco is a joke . i went there last night . i arrived there early to avoid the que . the waiters inside were extremely rude and they lie to you saying that tables are reserved when in fact they are not.. the music is absolutely shit and around about 12.30 a live band came on with even worse crap.i never saw help dance floor so quiet during this period.from about 2 am the electronic music started and that was a little better but ony a little. the choice of girls is crap too . mostly stern faced pros. i remember after the carnival last year it was like a breath of fresh air in help , better music , better people- but my general opinion is that help is going down the gutter fast . i used to have some sympathy for these girls but i have seen so many things and hear so many stories this trip that i have completely changed my mind about them . most of these girls are just complete scum . i'll write a report soon about the stories i have heard and my experiences
with regard to the street scene during carnival - absolutely crap too - i am living in copa and there is nothing happening. there was supposed to be live music on every posto this year and the road was supposed to close but this was promptly cancelled when drivers complained
my advice - do not come to rio during carnival - the only people that rave about it being great are newcomers who know no better
I will be back in Rio from Feb 26. This will be my second trip. Anyone there during that time want to hook up for a drink or terma visits etc please send me a pm.
Does anyone have good experiences with electronic
translators (portugese <-> english?
GK
I will be making my second trip to Rio in March. The first trip was just an overnighter on business and I went to help, which proved a disaster, perhaps it was just an offnight. One of my friends swears by centarius and says its the only termas to go to in Rio. What do you guys think, I am a bit of a Rio virgin.
Chelsea19 wrote:
"I will be making my second trip to Rio in March. The first trip was just an overnighter on business and I went to help, which proved a disaster, perhaps it was just an offnight. One of my friends swears by centarius and says its the only termas to go to in Rio. What do you guys think, I am a bit of a Rio virgin."
Centaurus is the high priced "spread". I've had very good times (multiple spurts and all) with some lovely Garotas in Solarium and L'Huomo.
LAGNAF
Chelsea 19
a good therma to go is Solarium, ´Luomo, Thermas 65. Centaurus is expensive and you pay upfront, regardless if you find something or not. Also Centaurus has 90% "Blonds". In the other termas you pay for the actual pop. If you are in for the darker girls, you might try MV30. This is a good place and around 110 Reis.
Carlos Primeros
Chelsea 19
a good therma to go is Solarium, ´Luomo, Thermas 65. Centaurus is expensive and you pay upfront, regardless if you find something or not. Also Centaurus has 90% "Blonds". In the other termas you pay for the actual pop. If you are in for the darker girls, you might try MV30. This is a good place and around 110 Reis.
Carlos Primeros
I wasn't impressed with Centaurus. I hate the pay up front policy and it is twice the price of the other Termas. While they do have somewhat nicer facilites and pretty girls, you can find at least a few stunners at any of the major Termas.
Cetaurus was good for a one time visit but I won't be repeating. My fav in Zona Sul is L'uomo and 65 was pretty good in the Centro. Solarium was a close second in Zona Sul but not walking distance from Copa (unlike L'uomo).
Hi Rio Bob, don't want to put a damper on your sauna tales, but most of the couples that turn up to Solarium are in their 40's+. You occasionally get girls going in there but they are usually lesbo's after the working girls.
Of all the mainstream saunas I'd rate this as second worst (the worst being Termas Rio Antigo) mainly due to several problems with the girls cleanliness. On one occasion the girls pussy stank the cabine out, the other time I got another girls poo all over my fingers.
By the way, hows your travel business going? ;-)
If you had one day free in Brazil, would you spend it in Rio or in Sao Paolo?
Which place is better for girls? (For a rookie!)
Which place is better for a day off in general?
And finally, where would you recommend a first-timer to go in either place for a lot of choices of good-looking women?
All other things being equal, I'd do Rio for a single day. See a few of the big sights, hang at the beach, hit a terma in the afternoon, go to the cafe outside Help about 10pm to watch the girls and the action, wander into Help a bit before midnight, enjoy yourself for an hour or so, and pull some sweet thing for a couple of hours or all night. If she doesn't hit the spot, kick her out and go back and try again.
I prefer the beach at Ipanema to Copa as there are fewer hassles but there's more activity (good and bad) at Copa.
SP has a lot more mongering options but who needs lots of options for a single day? The clubs are slow and close early on the weekend in SP but there's still plenty of action for a day trip. SP is a big place and it can seem like you are spending the whole day driving around if you are not careful. Better to just settle in at a place like Bomboa.
Of course, all things are seldom equal. If I was already in SP, I wouldn't bother to travel to Rio and if I was already in Rio, I wouldn't bother to travel to SP.
The most important thing is to read the posting as they will reduce the risks of a bad experience a whole bunch.
Rio. the action is more centralized than in Sao Paulo... much easier to locate the action.
Good morning to everyone,
Can anyone please post his experience with termas "Excentric" in Niteroi? Thanks!
C.
there is one thing that i've learned from my present holiday in brazil and that is that these cariocas(especially the lower class ones) hate our guts when we date one of their beautiful girls and around copacabana they will assume that your girlfriend is a hooker if she is brazilian .
during carnival i went to one of the kiosks in front of the beach with my girlfriend . we were having a really good time . my girl was dancing sexy to the samba . lots of guys coming and taking photos of her - no harm in that - but one guy comes up and is being really friendly . i saw him looking at us for a while and i assumed he was a gringo becuase he was pale skinned and he had light colour hair . he came beside me and my girl for a few moments being really friendly and he said to me beautiful girl or something like that about my girlfriend . he went away after a few moments and it was only afterwards that my girl said that he was brazilian . i thought it odd that a brazilian guy should have been so friendly because i encountered a lot of dirty looks and stupid comments from the locals .
when we got back to our apt. a couple of hours later my girl started to feel really dizzy and she said that she never felt so bad after just a few beers . she said that her drink must have been drugged and sher began top feel really bad . she then started going into convulsions but they passed after 5 minutes . i got her loads of water to drink and soon after she vomited some red stuff up . she really believes that she was drugged because she never had this feeling before . there was only 3 people in close proximity to her all night and the most likely culprit was the over friendly brazilian guy .
i wrote earlier about going to help with my brazilian girlfriend and i complained about guys offering her money and you guys slammed me for bringing a girlfriend to help- you seemed to have failed to get the point . i was trying to convey to you guys my disgust with the way things are going in regard to this''bidding''for the girls . just say for example she is not my girlfriend and just my date for the night in help why do some assholes assume that they can buy her aw ay from me ?
it happened again last night - i was with my girl dancing beside the dance floor and this pimp comes over acting on behalf of some fat black american sitting in the corner . he assumes that he can steal this girl away from me if he offers enough .
is type of behaviour becoming normal in help now ?
also in help last night i was walking with my girl , holding her hand and another black american trys to grab her hand - the stupid shit saw me holding her hand for christs sake .
I'm in Rio now. No obvious signs from Carnaval inflation. M/F ratio seems quite favorable and prices are reasonable. Help is a dump and I dont intend to go there this trip at all.
Luomo is rocking is definitely my favorite. I have met the sweetest girls there. Monte Carlo was so-so.
Anyone in Rio now wanna grab a beer or visit some of the Centro termas send me a PM.
I haven't been to Brasil in about 15 years & was wondering if Mab's is still in business. It was a restaurant at the north end of Copacabana. Generally had a lot of garota's hanging out around the outside tables.
Back when I was spending most of my time in Brasil, I was usually in Fortaleza or Natal, but I did have a few memorable times in Rio & the 2 best times actually happened when I was nearly out of cash (no ATM's in those days) and pretty drunk.
One time was with a girl from Mab's - had an exhausting session with her at the Lido for all my cash (about USD $40), then she put me in a cab (she paid the fare in advance) to the airport.
The second & probably most memorable Rio excursion was on my last trip to Brasil & wound up costing about the same (maybe $50). It was in July, and it was a little chilly & started raining as I was walking down the street towards my Hotel. It was in the afternoon & I was near Franks Bar - they were stocking it up for the night, so I ducked inside to get out of the rain. They said they weren't open, I said no problema, uma cuba libre por favor. The guy shrugged & fixed my drink. It continued raining so I stayed & they kept serving me drinks. Eventually, the garotas showed up, then the crowds. This one garota, Paula, came over & tried to talk me into paying her USD $150 - I just laughed & said the most I had ever paid in Brasil was $20. She got mad & stormed off. She came back about 4 more times, each time her asking price was much lower. Eventually, I pulled out all my cash ($40 or $50 worth of Novo Crusados - the predecessor to the Reai) explained that I had a fairly substantial bar tab & since she said she wasn't allowed in my hotel (Acapulco - apparently a week before there had been some trouble with some gringo's & their garotas), that money would have to pay for a motel and cab fare to the motel & back to my hotel. She counted the money, got the bar tab, paid it, grabbed my hand & flagged down a cab. She paid for the motel (somewhere way south, right next to a huge flavella) - provided me with an absolutely fantastic night of sex (all bare back in those days) - started with a shower together, then BJ, followed by straight missionary, then the finale - the best anal sex I've ever indulged in (I'm not really into anal, but if the girl suggests, who am I to say no?). While my dick was stroking in and out of her ass, she had her fingers in her vagina massaging me through the back wall of her vagina, really cool sensation. By then, the sun was coming up so we showered again, grabbed a cab back to my hotel (which she paid for) - she told the cabbie all about it on the way back to my hotel & said she'd do it again for the same price, but I left for Fortaleza that evening & I never saw her again.
As I said earlier, it's been about 15 years since I've been to Brasil, but I would have to agree with JWADD's comments from last week. There's a hell of a lot of fun to be had in the rest of Brasil, don't limit yourselves to Rio, but while you're there, have a great time!
CW
Antoninho, just to put us in the picture, whats the age difference between you and your GF? Help is full of *******'s these days, especially those that think they are young studs but forget that they are paying for it.
My other question, do you communicate with your GF in English, Portuguese or both?
I'm trying to figure out why you are having these problems, I have the answer.
My final question is, why the HELL do you take your GF to Help night after night???? I'm bemused. Even Copacabana itself is out of bounds for non-pro Brasileiras.
Hello,
Just some comments on my recent visit to RIO which included a few days before Carnival and a few during Carnival.
First, I generally dont like pros (you dont hear that much in this forum) and I have a very strong bias to finding girls that you can make a connection with, even if you are paying her.
Language- I dont speak portugese and although this wont stop anyone from finding sex, I think it dramatically reduces your chance of making a real connection and having a true GFE. Time to pull out those tapes.
Luomo- Went to Luomo once and it is definetly a class act with great girls and reasonable prices.
HELP- I spent many nights at HELP. I found most girls more PRO than GFE types. Still I would say they are more GFE than PROs in other countries, but usually not a real GFE. I found the best looking ones were priced high (R300+) and if you take them before 2:30am, they will generally find a way to leave your hotel in time to go find another customer. my biggest regret is not paying up for the best quality as I think i missed some great opportunities with some sweet beautiful girls who commanded a premium. The extra R100 or so that seperated me and the best girls in negotiations meant nothing to me, but I felt I had to hold my ground or else i would just be another gringo sucker. During carnival, you get a big influx of girls from other cities and the regulars often just hang outside. I met one top quality GFE type, who started talking about a "relationship" and travelling together and not having to pay for sex anymore etc etc etc but once Carnival hit, she was making big money and I really didnt want to get into a bidding war for someone who had already promised me the world and quickly went back to a business first attitude. Now that I am home, she is emailing me again how much she likes me ....bla bla bla....dont believe it...EVER.
The Balcony- This Restaurant/bar was next to my hotel. Lots of girls, but at a lower quality and price to HELP. It is less noisy and Easier to talk. Although the girls asked for more, I never paid more than R150.
To Digress for a moment, I like anal (which I rarely get the opportunity) and I had read that Brasil was "Anal central". Well, despite repeated asking, I only had 1 girl who would try it and although i will spare the bloody details, lets just say it ended quickly and wasnt enjoyable for either of us.
All in all, I would rate the trip a 5 or 6 based on my likes. But armed with my current knowledge and hopefully some better portugese, I know RIO has the potential for much much more for the next trip.
And thanks to RIOBOB who kindly answered many of my stupid questions prior to my visit
CAN XES
At my last day last week in Rio i had picked up a girl at Meia Pataca.
I saw her a few times before in Help and Meia Pataca.
Name is Lace or Lacy.
It seems that she work at afternoon at Meia Pataca and at night inside Help.When i saw her first she had red hair,when i took her at thursday to my appartment hair was black.
We go to appartment had sex,then eating and at night to Help.
After she leave next day I missed 200 Real out of my jeans.
Be careful with this girl.
Picture is from restaurant.
Well just got back from Carnaval in Rio and it was the best time I ever had. Me an three other friends went and we enjoyed the 7 days we were there. We did not experience any crime I think that was because we were all black. We ran into a couple of taxis who wanted to charge to much but by then we knew what the correct price was so we gave them what we paid before. My first pickup was not the best about a 5 Pretty face but the body was not nice little gut. I had a lot of beers plus she got me for 300 reals after reading the site and preparing myself I was quite embarrassed but that did not happen again. My boys ragged me the whole trip. I got my swagger back by getting the next 3 girls rating at 8, 10, 8 and costing 150, 200, 150. The 10 stayed all night and when I say 10 she was a ten body was tight stomach flat like a board. You could say she was white but she had a nice tan will dirty blonde hair OMG. After 3 days of sex this is where my trip turn upside down. I went to the balcony bar the place where I was hook on this girl that look just like Sanna Lathan. First time in the balcony I could not hook up because I had the first 8 hanging all over me. Second time at the balcony 3 of us went and my other friend was scaring them off. Third time I finally got to talk to her she spoke no English but we just connected. For the next 3 days in Rio my nights was with her. For some reason after hooking up with this girl I could not function so many pretty girls and all I did was think about her. I go to help and dance with girls and they tell me that they like me and want to have sex and I tell them no. I would tell her to meet me at the balcony and she would all the time. I was in Rio to have fun with many women not to get hooked onto one but I could not think of anybody else. She told me every day "No America stay in Brazil". The last day was the worst day I meet her 2am in the balcony we left at 3pm and went to the apartment and for the first time we had actual conversation I was starting to understand and was able to communicate back to her. She brought me gifts, sung to me, kiss me and even at times offered to pay for her meals. She cried that night and still asked me not to go. Later she told me she loved me It kinda felt like some sort of game she was playing but she didn't seem like the others I was with. She never asked for money just my company. 1 hour before she left my apartment she took pictures with all my friends and let me take a few pictures of her I went into the bathroom to think and she came in and cried on my chest and told me again she love me. I went to Rio for 1 thing I accomplish half of it on the first 3 days. Sometimes I wish I would have never went to the balcony and met her because now I feel as though I left something behind. She wants me to come back in June and then she wants to come back with me I wish I could tell you guys I am not considering it but I am.
Well just got back from Carnaval in Rio and it was the best time I ever had. Me an three other friends went and we enjoyed the 7 days we were there. We did not experience any crime I think that was because we were all black. We ran into a couple of taxis who wanted to charge to much but by then we knew what the correct price was so we gave them what we been paying. My first pickup was not the best about a 5 Pretty face but the body was not nice little gut. I had a lot of beers plus she got me for 300 reals after reading the site and preparing myself I was quite embarrassed but that did not happen again. My boys ragged me the whole trip. I got my swagger back by getting the next 3 girls rating at 8, 10, 8 and costing 150, 200, 150. The 10 stayed all night and when I say 10 she was a ten body was tight stomach flat like a board. You could say she was white but she had a nice tan will dirty blonde hair OMG. After 3 days of sex this is where my trip turn upside down. I went to the balcony bar the place where I was hook on this girl that look just like Sanna Lathan. First time in the baclony I could not hook up because I had the first 8 hanging all over me. Second time at the baclony 3 of us went and my other friend was scaring them off. Third time I finally got to talk to her she spoke no english but we just connected. For the next 3 days in Rio my nights was with her. For some reason I could not function so many pretty girls and all I did was think about her. I go to help and dance with girls and they tell me that they like me and want to have sex and I tell them no. I would tell her to meet me at the balcony and she would all the time. I was in Rio to have fun with many women not to get hooked onto one but I could not think of anybody else. She told me every day "No America stay in Brazil". The last day was the worst day I meet her 2am in the balcony we left at 3pm and went to the apartment and for the first time we had actual conversation I was starting to understand and was able to communcate back to her. She brought me gifts, sung to me, kiss me and even at times offered to pay for her meals. She cried that night and still asked me not to go. Later she told me she loved me It kinda felt like some sort of game she was playing but she didn't seem like the others I was with. She never asked for money just my company. 1 hour before she left my apartment she took pictures with all my friends and let me take a few pictures of her I went into the bathroom to think and she came in and cried on my chest and told me again she love me. I went to Rio for 1 thing I accomplish half of it on the first 3 days. Sometimes I wish I would have never went to the balcony and met her because now I feel as though I left something behind.
Sonething is very strange about Antonihos stories. If his GF is really non-pro Brasillera why does she want to go to Help? I suspect she is a garota de programma (although ANtoniho may not pay her as such) and she is comfortable there and has her friends there etc.
I have just not had such great experiences with the freelancers. This time I will be sticking to one Luomo girl who is like a GF in that I dont pay her anymore and the termas. All those hot looking girls outside Help look good but its really hard to find the gems.
Hey guys,
Our four days in Rio
Day one:
Arrived at the apartment late in the afternoon on Friday.
My garota friend and her friend managed to literally destroy MY rented apartment in the two weeks before our arrival. After some wall to wall counseling the place was cleaned up and all was well.
My buddy got a good dose of what was to come for the weekend as the girls cleaned up their mess with less than dinner clothes on.
We did not even bother to clean up before hitting the beach bars.
Later cleaned up after getting plastered and screwed by both chicks went to Balcony. Not as much activity on Copa as what I expected although this was my first Carnaval experience.
Later went to the bar outside of Help while the girls went in to work.
I was getting pretty tired when my buddy Idolized a chick and me being the team member that I am, I took the anchor.
After a quickie with her in the room $200rs she left and it was a good thing. One hour later my girl arrived and I averted disaster for the night.
Day Two:
Woke up late and decided to wait for tours for tomorrow.
Walked up and down the beach checking out the girls during the day.
Decided to go to Scala for a Carnaval party. At midnight it was still bull.
We went then to Help and boy was it ever crowded.
After a couple hours of walking around with a woodie, I selected a chick from Northern Brazil and my buddy was doing well also.
We took them back to Scala and it was STILL Bull.
Back to the apartment.
A few minutes into a good time, my buddy knocks on my door.
He has no wallet and a very uncontrollable chick.
I guess after the pants were around the ankles the price doubled.
Time for her to go but where was the wallet.
Chick calls security, security threatens to call police, buddy is drunk and nervous, knocks on my door.
What the hell can I do?
I tell him to check her purse for the wallet and give her taxi fare home, but no wallet.
I give him all the change I have, about 18 RS and she throws it on the floor and goes away. Still no wallet.
Only a few hundred rs and 200 us but the credit cards and in Rio with no money, Damn.
No worry.
Day three:
Woke up late again. This is beginning to be a problem. The chick is still here and a damn good thing the other one is not home yet.
Well to keep Mr. Murphy happy as I was escorting the chick out, other chick sees us.
WWIII begins.
After much ass kissing (even though I rented the apartment) every thing was better.
Not wanting to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] her off more no more chicks for the rest of my time there, at least at OUR apartment.
We did have a nice tour of Sugar Loaf. Recommended highly!!!
Day four final day:
Actually still day three but close enough. I get a call at 4:30 AM from a chick I'm not sure is mine. Whoever slipped her the E if I find you consider your ass kicked. She did not know where she was or I would have gotten on the white horse and rescued her.
After several worried hours she finally came home at 3:30 in the afternoon. A totally wasted day for me.
This night she comes home drunk on bubbly throwing up everywhere. Nice.
Chicks, can't live with them so just fuck them.
I go to the bank to get me and my buddy some money but being a holiday the bank machines that do still have a little money left are only allowing small withdrawls.
Back at the apartment, (while I am out scrounging money) my buddy does a little early packing and guess what he finds.
The wallet was right where he had hidden it in his drunken stupor.
Good thing I didn't have a gun!
Again, Mr. Murphy's ugly head arrives and my buddy gets bitten by something and his arm is the size of his leg. Shit...
Mad Max
Hiiiiii!
Can anyone please comment on the following rarely mentioned termas:
Termas 21 - Rua Buenos Aires, 21 / 1st floor
Termas 75 - Praça da República, 75
Termas 502 - Rua da Alfândega
Barbara's House - Rua do Riachuelo 333 / Ap 908
Buenos Aires -Rua Buenos Aires, 21
Excentric - Rua da Conceição, 132 - S. Lj 17 (NITEROI - I already requested info about this one! Come on folks: what's up with you? Can anyone please do us the favor and check this termas out for us?!?)
MV30 Rua Mayrink - Veiga, 30 / 1st floor
Stellas e Hollywood - Rua 7 de Setembro, 88
Stillu's - Trav. do Ouvidor, 37 / 3rd floor
Vip's Massagem - Rua Senador Dantas, 75
Alice Termas - Av. Princesa Isabel, 334/1206 / BL 2
By Narra Atelier - Av. N. Sra. de Copacabana, 583
Continental - Rua Siqueira Campos, 202
Copacabana - Av. N. Sra. de Copacabana, 583
Ipanema Leblon - Rua Barão da Torre, 522
Pedágio - Rua Barata Ribeiro, 370
Saunas Finlandesas - Rua Min. Viveiros de Castro, 51
Termas 73 - Rua Haddock Lobo, 73
Termas 2001 - Travessa Miracema, 16
Âncora do Recreio - Av. das Américas, 13081
Black White - Av. Paris, 634
Carabean Queen - Rua N. Sra. das Graças, 604
Casarão - 410 Rua São Luiz Gonzaga, 410 / 1st floor
Center - Rua Ant. Storino, 446
Coquettish - Rua Belisário Pena, 1235
Desejos - Rua Luis de Camões, 84
Explode Coração - Av. 13 de Maio, 23
Jacarepaguá - Rua Castor, 17
Malibu - Rua Francisco Vidal, 20
Oasis 123 - Rua 19 de Fevereiro, 123
Palácio 53 - Rua Jornalista Orlando Dantas, 53
Paradise House - Estr. do Camorim, 600
Riachuelo - Rua 24 de Maio, 527
Roger's Termas - Rua Ministro Alvredo Valadão, 36
Surprise - Av. do Exército, 17A
Sunshine - Av. Maracanã, 47
Tentação - Av. Miguel Ângelo, 436
Video Sauna - Av. Suburbana, 7154
Please make sure that you visit all of the a.m. termas before posting a reply :)
Gotcha, Charly
I've been to Rio 3 times, the last being just last month, and I never heard anything about this Balcony Bar. Where is it, and is it any good compared to HELP, Meia Pataca, etc.?
It's lame, that's why you haven't heard much (but it's been mentioned plenty of times in past posts). Of course, like all places, you can always find a gem there...
Hey Bobby you're right . The good girls from Mabs from the 80's have moved to the Balcony, as a lot of the chicks there seem to be in their 40's ha ha.
How do you intend to recover this guys money? She looks pretty hot by the way, I guess you'll need to give her a full body search :-)
I can remember that she looked hot .
But in future I try again "honest" girls with good performance.
There are lot of them outside Help and much cheaper and more "normal" than inside.
Charly,
Here's what I know about a few of these.
>Termas 502 - Rua da Alfândega
This is in Centro, spitting distance from 4x4. It's in the same price range as MV30 and Terma 61 which is about half what 4x4 charges. R10 entry, R60 to R100 for a session. It's a "no robe" Terma.
>MV30 Rua Mayrink - Veiga, 30 / 1st floor
See above...
>Stellas e Hollywood - Rua 7 de Setembro, 88
There are five or six massage places in this same building. Ring the bell, enter a room, look over the 3 or 4 girls they trot out. You screw in a cubicles, but it only costs R1 per minute. So most sessions are R30 for the half hour.
>Stillu's - Trav. do Ouvidor, 37 / 3rd floor
This is another centro Terma. This one had some cuties and only costs R1 per minute. No robes
Sterling V
Rio Bob,
The Acapulco was about two blocks north of Mabs and one block off the beach (I think the street was Princessa Isabella). Don't know if you remember Franks Bar, but it was on the same street as the Acapulco, but on the opposite side of the street and a block or two farther away from the beach. It was usually girl friendly, but just before that last time I was there, a couple of gringos (their garotas helped out as well) apparently screwed that up.
I definitely liked Mabs better before they put in Air Conditioning and Windows. Before the remodelling job, you could sit inside and interact with the garotas outside...once the windows were installed, you had to go outside to do talk to the garotas...a minor annoyance.
Anyway, as I stated before, I spent most of my time in the Northeast, primarily in Fortaleza. As I understand it, I probably wouldn't recognize Fortaleza at all...seems the only bar that's still in operation is Africa's...and I was never a huge fan (I think I'm a little claustrophobic & Africa's had a low ceiling & was always too crowded - I always avoided Help, which I'm surprised is still around, due to the crowds...sit at a cafe & pick up a girl outside where there's a little elbow room).
CW
The trouble with the Balcony Bar Bob, is that these old crones latch onto any newbies using them as fishing bait to get a seat at the tables with a group of guys. Infact, they can be a downright pain in the ass especially when you only want the newbie and not them. Last year, a group of them started a hate campaign against me as I had netted their main fishing lure and kept taking it away from them.
Responding to Charly's list of "fun" places.
Some information on these places were posted by me in Rio 2003 Reports, after my 6 weeks tour of Brasil.
Reports - 1 - 2 - 3 - 4
R1 - posted 12/16/03 - Rio Minor Termas, locals know ......Part 1
R2 - posted 12/18/03 - Rio Minor Termas, locals know ......Part 2
R3 - posted 12/21/03 - Rio - Travessa de Ouvidor 37
R4 - posted 12/23/03 - Rio - cheapo casa's on the busy .......
Termas 21 or Buenos Aires 21 - closed when I tried to enter in Oct 03 - could another monger double check.
Termas 75 - see R2
Termas 502 - previous visits July 03 - entrada R10 - from opening at 4pm to 5pm - "special promocao" - a "Dupla" - 40 minutes for R80.
Stellas Massagems - see R2
Hollywood Massagems - see R2
Stillus Massagems - see R3
VIP - Rua Sendor Dantas 75 - closed in Oct 03 - now a office.
By Narra Atelier - Rua Copacabana 583 - 203
&
Termas Copacabana - see R1 - across the corridor at 205
Sexo was R70 for 1 hour.
Pedagio or Beach girls - see R1 - but in Jan 04 - under construction. ???
Palacio 53 - see R1 - but in Jan 04 was closed - now a office.
Rogers - forget this - its gay.
We need more updates on this list.
Ceylon1 - ( WorldTraveller aka Charles )
Fellow Mongers - time to turn the tables! :)
Friends and fellowers, Im staying in Rio now, and if someone out there, like me, is intrested in gangbanging/double penetrations, - please write me a reply (swingers also welcome!! )
Lets have a good time, make some good memories and have a couple of beers and a laugh - reply to my e-mail here on the site.
Best regards / Ken - who have no objections on sharing the woman! :)
Charly
Great post! But you are missing a lot of apt. and room numbers with those addresses. I live here in Rio and I will go and check out these places for you. I have been to Stellas and Hollywood. They are good but you might only find one or two out of 6 or 8 that you like. I don't know how your taste is. Stillus has changed and now is one big terma. No tool. These two are not in the same building. I forget the address of Hollywood, right now but they are not in the same building. Complete the addresses and I will go and check some out for you.
To Sleip,
Do you mean she stole R$200 on top of what you paid her for the time she spent with you? How much was that? She seems well worth it - a real looker.
To Casino,
How about some photos of these 9's and 10's? I was in Rio the first week in February for about a week and IMHO the pickings at HELP was not good. Luckily I had my regular non-pro's to call upon.
To Everyone,
Looking for a girl-friendly inexpensive (around $R200/night) Hotel/Apart near Barbarella's for my next trip. Hear of it?
Almotu
A question to all them Rio specialists:
I would like to visit Buzios. Is it better to bring a girl from Rio with you or are there some mongering options in Buzios? Who can recommend me a Pousada around 100 Reais a day?
thanks to ya all!
'Oui Ogun
Read my answer to Charly - just a few reports below on this page.
Read my reports in the Rio 2003 forum .
Addresses are there in those reports - plus additional addresses of other "fun" places.
Explore and let us know the latest news.
Ceylon1 ( WorldTraveller aka Charles )
Paolino
I visited Buzios on my last trip in late jan. It's a 4hr bus ride from RIo. The bus is a large tour bus. It cost R22 each way. It's possible to find a taxi in Rio to take you there. I found one after i visited Buzios. He wanted R200 round trip.
We made no arrangments for accomodations when we left. Upon exitting the bus at 11:30p, we met a hawker for a pousada. It cost R100/day. A little after midnight, we hit Rua das Pedras, the main pedestrian street where all the nite life is located. It was very crowded. You would have thought it was the middle of the day, instead of the middle of the nite with all the people walking around. This area has lots of boites, restaurants, and niteclubs. I saw a lot of hotties also. But they seemed to be paired up. Also a very young crowd, mostly in their twenties.
There's lots to do in Buzios. It's made up of 23-25 beaches. Dune buggies, motorcylces and autos are available for rental. If you do rent a car, make note of any damage with the rental company, or they may say that its new damage, and hold you liable. Car rental is R100/day plus R300 deposit for insurance.
I took my brazilian girlfriend, we had a great time. I'd like to spend more time there. Visit www.buziosonline.com.br
it has a wealth of information with links to many pousadas, map of the area, and pics of the beaches
Heres a pic of Praia Joao Fernandinho in Buzios. It didn't "take" with my post below.
Almotu
I paid her 400 real from afternoon to next day.
Thanks a bunch Guys!
Based on what you said I think i'll hook up some cool girl in Rio and bring her there as i like to be stress-free on my weekends. :)
Cheers
CUTTING EDGE- sorry to be so late answering your questions-
my girl is 19 and i am 38
when i met her last year for the first time we communicated mostly in portuguese and a little english - now because she has been with me in europe for almost a year and she has learnt english we communicate in english .
i met my girl in help disco last year . she had only just started to work there when i met her . she loves hip hop music and that is why we go to help sometimes as do other couples that have met there in the past - this is quite common . we met a few married couples in help this year and i know of girls who used to work there and have got married to some gringo and they return to rio to visit and pop into help to check it out .
i do,nt understand ''you know the answer'' to what? i was just complaining about the underhanded way a lot of guys operate in help these days .
RioBob,
Give it a rest with these pointless pictures. I know you are in love with the country, and I don't blame you, but whats the point?
The point is culture,dude, ever heard of it?
;-)
Ok, GF is gone, time to be really bad boy, I am, still in Rio for another month, know a few interesting places now, anyone looking for partner in crime?
PM me
Max Candy
http://www.maxcandy.com/Portfolio/
tomb, thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself.
Ceylon1
Whats up dude?
Good to hear from you. I found all your post to very detailed and right on the money. I have been to all those places except 4x4 and 75. Are those really worth going to? Is it worth the money? I mean is the quality a lot better there versus lets say, Hollywood or Stellas? I'm going to try those places out. I pass 75 almost everyday when going home.
Listen dude, remeber that one spot, Buenos Aires, 113? That place is good and a lot of good talent passes by, especially in the first club you find after climbing that tight fucking stair case. But, and I don't know if you know, but there is another spot on Buenos Aires, 85. There are two levels. I think they have about 15 to 20 girls in there everyday. You can come across some really good talent in there.
I've done the whole Help and Meia Pataca thing. However, I've never been to the Termas that are in Copacabana, but I have lived here long enough to know the best girls I've had in these spots in Centro are just as fine as the prettiest "normal" girls I have seen here. Is the quality better in Termas better all the way around versus the spots downtown you have visited? I've come across some really fine girls, or "jewels" in what I call "dime spots." Now that I live here I adopted the belief that to pay more than 30 reais for a piece of ass in Rio is silly. Unless she is way fine, dude. You just have to do some walking around and you will fine what you want. Plus, do you want a prettiest girl, or the best pussy? I've had enough to know the best pussy did not come from the prettiest girl I had. Sometimes, as you said, "they don't give a good performance." (smile)
Dude I started counting all the girls I have done since I have been here, that I could remeber that is, and I stopped at 200. That was only possible because of the those "dime spots." When you live here and go to all these places, you see women come and go. You see them move to place to place and shit like that. You have to catch the one you want when you have the chance because she might be gone soon. So, you have to go back the next day and get her.
About those other places, I have to get the addresses. I have memeorized where a lot of them are and I don't need the address anymore, so I will have to go and do some foot work and write them down. I go to a lot of them and if I don't like the vibe, I scratch it out of my rotation. So here are some for when you come back. They may be closed when you arrive. Hopefully we can keep in contact and that won't be a problem.
1) Rua do Arce, 35 sobrado (9705-9486) Just walk up!
Next to Praca Maua
2) Ave 13 de Maio 47, Apts 708 AND 512
3) Santa Clara, apt 135
Walk up the stairs. I've never been but I just heard about it. I'm going to check it out
And as you can imagine, this place is loaded with so many more places like that it will make you head spin. I've just scratched the surface. A lot of them are complete dives. But I want to go check out 75. Is the quality good? You said there were about 15 to 20 babes inside. I gues 15 reais is not bad to check it out. Yeah, right, check it out. If I go there and have the money and see something I want to tag it over! (Smile) I'm addicted to this!
Over and out
Ogun
Hello
I am thinking about visiting Brazil this year and I really enjoy reading all your reports. I was wondering about have two girls at the same time. Do they make you change condoms when going between them?
BL
I like RIO BOB's pix!
Reminds me of good times in RIO.
Chuponalgas
I like your pics too of the twins. Reminds me of good times in Rio tambem.
Also notice since Carnival is over no more talk about busting mongers or programas. Nice I like it.
Antoninho, thanks for the reply. I guess when guys overhear you speaking in English and the age difference they fancy their chances. However, it does seem that there are a load of rude guys out there with no manners. I had a similar relationship with a girl last year, the age difference was less and we spoke in Portuguese, even then some first timer English idiot had the nerve to come upto me and asked me if I'd translate for him because he wanted to talk to MY girl. Another time we were in a pizzeria down a side street near Mabs. Some Belgian guy invited himself to sit with us on the pretence of talking with her friend. It was obvious that I and my girl were together, but this old fool in his 60's had the nerve to tell me while she was in the toilet that he was considering taking her!! I learnt a lot of lessons with this girl, if my head was turned she would occasionally flirt with guys behind my back.
good luck, but stay away from Help!
'Oui Ogun
Muito Obrigardo por your comments & informacao - specially from a lucky guy living in "Cidade Maravilhoso" - with all those fabulous-facinating-fantastic Garotas available each & every day for fun.
Thanks for the new places - will check them out - next visit - may be together with you.
IMHO - Praca 75 is worth a visit - do go and check out the talents - remember the Garotas keeps changing.
Termas 4 X 4 - entrada, drinks & 1 hour in a cabin will cost near R200. But the club has non stop strip shows and a great party fun time - specially on Thursdays
Since you live in Rio - maybe you will some day visit Sao Paulo - if you have not already done so - suggest you read my 8 recent reports on Sampa - it will be helpful -
Posted - in the Sao Paulo section -
Posted 11/13/03 - Sao Paulo - Clinicas Massagems.........
Posted 11/16/03 - Sao Paulo - Prive's Casa's.........
again follow thru to the next report -
after SP, reports on Santos & Curitiba.
When you check out new Cheapo casa's - Por favor post a report.
I like to wear a robe & participate in the "fun" at a Termas
BUT
there are a lot of friendly "Gems" - available at the cheapo casa's.
I will also send you a private E-mail.
Ceylon1 - ( WorldTraveller aka Charles )
I was in Lúomo yesterday right a 4pm, love the place good girls, normally fare prices, although I did paid a 30R$ cover, do not remember paying that before, but I am scuba diving now and not drinking, so maybe i just did not notice before?
Still highly recommend Lúomo.
Only 28 more days to get to the 50 girl body count ;)
PM me if any fellow bad boys want to hook up
Cheers
Max Candy
http://www.maxcandy.com/Portfolio/
CUTTING EDGE- yes i will be staying away from help for a while . i am heading back to europe tomorrow after a long trip here . help is really going down the toilet fast . too many hardened pros and the brazilian dj who is on for most of the night really sucks . his style of electronic music which he plays for most of the night is really contributing to the clubs decline . i hope it does'nt turn out to be like one of those ibiza style clubs - that would surely end it for me .
Tuesday morning, agents of the Federal Police went on strike for better salaries. The decision delayed six of the eleven international flights that flew out of the country yesterday, from Cumbica International airport, in Guarulhos, São Paulo, for up to four hours . Only five flights were on time. The same happened in Rio de Janeiro, where the strike provoked long lines at the international airport Antônio Carlos Jobim.
The agents on strike checked all documents of all people either arriving or leaving the country, instead of performing random checking, as is usually done. Francisco Sabino, from the Federal Police Union, in São Paulo, said that the standard procedure calls for verification of all documents of all passengers, but that this is not done due to lack of personnel.
Those interested in obtaining passports also had to endure long lines throughout the country. The agents, however, refused to attend the public, dealing only with the most urgent cases. In Foz de Iguaçu, another standard operation was carried out at the bridge Amizade, at the border between Brazil and Paraguay, creating a huge traffic jam.
Ok, my brethren, I'm off to Rio tomorrow morning, arriving Friday morning Brazil time. I'll be sure to post reports en vitro. Cheers!
Whats the deal with all these riots down in Copacabana as reported on Oglobo, Expat? Apparently only 2 blocks from Help with 3 people shot dead. Anybody see this first hand?
Cutting Edge,
Im not there now but from what I can see in reading Oglobo it seems like a little war going on between the traffficars and Anthony Garinthino the secretary of security. Looks pretty bad but I don't think they are close to Help so hopefully no worry for us.
Rio Bob, Expat mentioned Rua Sa ferriera, I think thats the road that runs up the side of the Haggen Dass. Apparently the riot was in response to the cops entering the favela and executing three locals.
Went to Centarus yesterday, and cannot decide if I like it or not.:
Pros were:
Hottest girls per square inch I have seen in Rio, Full stop.
Drinks were priced ok (although every guy seems to have small bill problems on exit,
Clean place
Cons
290 for 40 min
Too many punters
Maybe girls were a little too prof, my girl was sucking dildo as I did her, the show must go on.
Bottom line
I would say check it out, but probably once is enough, but thermas in general are great for guy that does not have the lingo, still my fave is Lúomo
Any other options?
Cheers
maxc
Yes the Haagan Dazz in front of the Miramar Palace Hotel on Ave Atlantica but the slum is not on Ave. Atlantice it is several blocks from Ave Atlantica and even though too close for comfort for me too lets just hope this mess doesn't spill out to the main tourist area near Help. There is always something going on in Rio isn't there? But it will keep on going, maybe Doc Bill who is in town now can comment on the current atmosphere when he logs in.
I've been here a little over 24 hours now. There are no signs of any trouble or problems at or around ground zero, or anywhere that I can tell, for that matter. It's all good, and the candy around Help looks better than ever, if you can imagine that.
Went to Luomo first off yesterday, my favorite terma, and hooked up with a slim brunette named Rubia (go figure!). Service was very good, but I've been spoiled here and expected better. Would not repeat. I'm off to Montecarlo in a couple of hours and Help tonight, the latter only because I'm with a friend who's here for the first time. The weather is beautiful and it's not too crowded. More later.
Hello All,
Long time reader, first time poster. Thanks to all of you for your advice which I have "stolen shamelessly" over the past year.
I spent the month of February in Rio (and vicinity). When I first arrived, I had some apartment problems which caused a housing shuflle. Resultingly, I spent the first 2 days garota-less. That situation was quickly resolved upon my first visit to the Balcony. A buddy and I met two tender , young things and invited them to our apartment (which was quite close to the Balcony). Typical drinks/photos/giggles activity. Fortunately, my buddy's portuguese is about an 8, and mine is about a 6 (on our common 10 scale).
Well, it appears that I chose wisely, because my mulata was so cool, and so attentive, that she became my "Rio wifey" for the next three weeks. Pretty face, dark/caramel skin, black hair, 5'6, 110lbs. Our typical deal was that she'd head home to Barra most days, while I did the beach thing with my buddies. She'd call late afternoon, and we'd meet and do dinner (well, SHE barely eats), go dancing in Ipanema or Leblon , and spend the night together. On several days, she just went out and did some souvenir shopping for me away from the touristy beach. Saved me a bundle on stuff for the "real" wifey. She thought she was shopping for my sister (or knew better, and didn't complain).
This was a very different Carnaval for me. This was by far the most time I've spent with an individual girl. On previous trips (five years running), my ratio would be roughly : 10 days/ 15 garotas. Hit-n-run. That being said, I did use the opportunity to explore some of the places you guys have suggested. As you know, it was a rainy Carnaval week this year, so indoor activities were a must.
I took a taxi into Centro one day, and went to Hollywood at Rua de Carioca, 59. Actually, I was pretty surprised that you guys would frequent this joint. I'm a big guy, from NYC, and I've been in some rough areas. Still, climbing those stairs in that building felt like a bit of an adventure. This joint is kinda grungy, and I was a bit skeptical initially. I had a choice of two girls, and I chose a thicker one - she had a prettier face. She was a Brazil 6 (what's that? A USA 8?). She gave me the option of R$20 for 20 mins or R$30 for 30 mins. Uh, let's go for the half-hour. The sheet on the makeshift massage table was quite frightening, so I opted for a standing doggy-style. She was enthusiastic, and obviously very professional. I got right to it (not kissing those boobs, hun). I used up most of my time, and tipped her (sorry, guys) R$10. The only downside is that the taxi ride was $R15 each way, so that means my total investment was $R70. I've paid that for relaxed sessions in my apartment. But if you don't venture, you don't learn, so I was fine with it.
On another free day from my "wife", I went to Monte Carlo with some buddies. I'm not a cheapskate, but the termas costs really start to add up. I paid R$255 upon leaving, which included a coupla rounds of drinks for my boys. Comparatively, you can grab two mab's/pataca/balcony/praia honeys and make your own party for the same amount and, likely less. My fridge was stocked with beer/cachaca/liquor, so I could have approximated the experience. What I couldn't approximate was the absolute STUNNER that I hooked up with at MC. Damn, she was smokin'. When we got to the cabine, I kept telling her in english how fine she was and she kept laughing and answering in portuguese. She was about 5'2, 99.7 lbs, fair skin, morena with a perfect little body. I couldn't draw a hotter little body. The drinks had the unfortunate effect of putting TOO much delay ("whiskey-dick"). A very nice session ended badly with me wailing away at this little thing as she is reaching to answer the phone (40 minutes just FLIES).
On Monday night of Carnaval, I hung out with a topless, busty Mineira I met in Help. She was wearing only gold glitter, and she had a pretty face. A bit thicker than I like 'em, but she was a good dancer with a great attitude. I took her home and talked quite a bit. She told me about the boites and clubs in Juiz de Fora and Minas Gerais. I've been to JDF, but was escorted with no free time. Next go'round in MG, I know what to do. She turned out to be a great kisser and was alot of fun. She almost brought me to the point of no return with a BBBJ, but I recouped and had a very nice, very slow, grind with her on top. Despite the shower beforehand, I spent the next two weeks cleaning glitter from my room.
On my only other free night away from "rio wife", we went to VM. I love the raw energy and perceived danger of hanging at VM. Sometimes, I just go down to eat some wings and drink Skol with the locals. And to practice my portuguese. Well, we were wandering up the hallways when I stopped short after spotting a bundle of dynamite: brown, 5'1, 95 lbs, bowling ball under her skirt, face cute as hell. I don't dig the "rooms" at VM, so I negotiated for her to come to Copa the next day at 2pm. 2pm. TWO. P.M. The next morning, as I'm sleeping with 'wifey' at 945am, the doorbell goes off. Not only does this little cutey/lunatic arrive super early in the morning, but the genius portero sends her up without notice. I surreptitiously give her $R20 for a taxi back to her home. THAT, my friends, was a friggin' disappointment.
BTW, the grand total I gave "Rio wifey" for an estimated 16 nights was roughly R$600, plus whatever meals (few), drinks, and cover charges I picked up while hanging out. I felt pretty good about that. She was kind to me, and she said I was fun and thoughtful. I'd like to see her again.
Hey Dark Knight,
What was the girls name at Monte Carlo...was it Luanna??? If so she is a Hottie and a very cool girl....just curious.
General question for L'uomo visitors....
Trying to find out if a girl named Isabella still works there....She has collar length straight black hair, big ta ta's, kinda on the thick side with a big dragon tattoo from knee to ankle on one leg. Want to hit L'uomo on my next visit in 2 weeks but want to avoid this chick for lotsa reasons....
Thanks, Hammer.
Hello Dark Knight,
[I had some apartment problems which caused a housing shuflle]
What kind of problems did you have? I am arriving in Rio on the 19th and have arranged a one bedroom apt. with the "blame it on rio" staff.
TIA
My apartment problem:
My buddy booked a two-bedroom apartment with a local that he met. The problem was that he didn't actually SEE the apartment, nor did he get digital photos via e-mail. When we arrived, we were completely dismayed at the small size, age and overall poor condition of the apartment. When we complained, the local broker agreed to transfer us to a nicer apartment, and, in fact, he did. The problem was that the original apartment owner had received a deposit and was hell-bent against returning any money.
The second apartment owner was very cool on Day 1, but by Day 2, the situation became untenable. Apparently, the broker somehow neglected to actually PAY her, and she was in our apartment IN TEARS. Mind you, we had paid the broker.
So, we're now in Rio for 36 hours and haven't unpacked our bags. We went scouting for apartments, and found a nice place on Atlantica, near the Copacabana Palace. I took a significant financial hit, but I just wanted to get my vacation started. In the end, I was disappointed at myself for having a 'newbie' problem.
The lessons:
1) Do not send money to someone you do not know well, or who doesn't have a reputable, established business. If things go poorly, you have little legal recourse. You can't go to a Brazilian court in the 2 or 3 weeks you are down there.
2) Minimize the deposit you send in advance. Many people will ask for a 50% deposit. Don't do it. They ask for this because they are generally cash-poor, and even if return of your money was warranted, they don't have it to give to you.
3) Get contracts, receipts, photos, and as many documents as possible. You will get a sense of who is on the up-n-up based on the way they do business.
Regarding Blame-it-on Rio: I used them for 3 years, and I found Bobby to be honest, and his business practices were fair. My first year, I spoke no portuguese, and I appreciated doing business with an American. The reason I have stopped using Bobby is because his prices are on the high end. The longer I stay, the less inclined (or able) I am to pay a premium. I DO still use Blame-it-on-Rio for cell phone rentals, side trips to Bahia/Buzios, etc.
You won't have those kind of problems with Bobby.
DocBill449:
Any delays at the airport with the Federal Police strike?
Ropes, any dealings you have with BlameitonRio is bound to cause problems. They are extremely flaky and unreliable.
Chingon, no delays or anything unusual at the airport. The line to get admitted was about twenty minutes, and an additional ten minutes for the American fingerprint/photo line.
Fuck Help. Sorry, but that was my impression last trip and it still is. Too much hassle, risk and uncertainty. Having dropped a vitamin V and not wanting to waste it I took back to my hotel a Brazilan/Japanese honey, who wanted R$300 and agreed to 250 for all night (which at that point would have been only three hours). When we started getting down, after some fooling around she insisted on using a condom for oral, which just is not acceptable for me and not the norm in Rio, so I don't even bother to ask up front (although I will now). I told her to leave and to avoid any scene gave her R$100 for her time, which she was cool with. My friend, however, a Rio newbie, scored a great honey (looks and attitude) who spent about three hours with him for R$250. Now he thinks he's got a girlfriend.
I prefer sticking to the termas. Went to Solarium yesterday and found the selection to be much better than when I was here last in September. Had a great double-pop session with a very beautiful and fun girl named Patricia. Sunday is couples night at Solarium but the wives that go there are hags, so I wouldn't advise going for that reason.
RXHammer, I've only been to Luomo once so far and didn't see your girl Isabella.
TomB, I finally went to Carioca la Gema (sp?) in Lapa - some of the best music I ever heard, and Lapa is a great scene overall. Lots of great clubs and no tourists, but hard to meet girls if you don't speak Portuguese. Watch out for the tranny's there, they'll fool you (thanks again, Tom!).
Today I''m off to Montecarlo and then Marius for some dyno food. Taking the favela tour tomorrow. I heard there was a lot of shooting in Rocinha today, should be fun. More later.
Update on cheap casa in Centro.
As Ceylon1 reported before there are lots of cheap casas in the center. Some rough places with ugly girls but also some excellent places. Prices are in general R$ 1/min.
Rua Uruguaiana 24,
- 3rd floor: 5 girls, all ugly, R$ 20/20 min
- 4th floor: 4 girls, all ugly, R$ 20/20 min
- 5th floor: 10 girls, a few excellent girls, R$ 25/20 min
Enjoy the trip up the extremely narrow stairwell.
Travessa de Ouvidor 37,
- 1st floor: 17 girls, several beautiful girls, R$ 30/30 min
Rua do Ouvidor 130,
- Apto 707: 4 girls, all ugly, R$ 20/ 25 min
- Apto 911: 8 girls, all ugly, R$ 20/30 min
Rua Buenos Aires 85,
- 3rd floor: 12 girls, some really goodlooking girls, R$ 20/20 min
- 4th floor: 5 girls, all ugly, R$ 10/15 min
- 5th floor: 4 girls, all ugly, R$ 10/10 min
Rua Senador Dantas 117, Apto 441: closed
Rua Sete de Setembro 88: closed
In my opinion the best choice is definitely Travessa do Ouvidor. Pleasant place with a nice atmosphere. Some of the girls do BBBJ and anal.
Seems that there are a lot more casas in the center to be explored. Just ask around.
Cheers
Thanks Dark Knight,
Sorry to read about that horrible apt situation. Glad you were able to put it behind you and not let it ruin your trip. But sharing those experiences with others save us the hell you went through and is much appreciated by everyone here I'm sure.
Hello DocBill449,
Thank you for your reply/warning. Since I originally reserved an apartment with ''Blame it on Rio" I have read some mixed reviews. They were, however, recommended to me by a friend and they've been very responsive to my e-mail enquiries. So it looks like I am pretty much commited to them as this is my first trip to Rio. Hoping for the best!
Obrigado!
OK, Fess Up. One of you guys got very curious one night in Help, and took home that "little person" (I believe 'midget' is a derogatory term).
I'm actually surprised at how busy she is. It appears that she gets alot of dates. So, if you're the person who let his wilder side run free one night, please post a report.
I'm curious, but not THAT curious.
PERSONAL PAC-SAFE
After constantly worrying about guests grabbing my valuables, I finally bought a PAC-SAFE travel-safe last year and really love it. I put all my valuables in it and lock it through a chair. It won't stop a determined thief with tools, but stops the casual grab and run. It is lined with chicken wire so it cannot be opened with a knife. Also works great at the beach, I lock it to a beach chair or palm tree while I go swimming. I highly recommend it.
http://www.pac-safe.com/
Also available though
http://www.rei.com
What to do on a cold, windy Sunday afternoon in Rio? My first choice was to join a fellow poster to WSG (who shall remain nameless unless he wishes to post his version of events) on a visit to L’Uomo. After paying the bill at Meia Petaca we were soon sitting comfortably in the bar area and surveying the choice of girls. Not long before Valeria, tanned with a great body and big hair walks into the bar but doesn’t remember me from last year until I wave her over and remind her. She is called away to speak to someone and says she will be back soon. After considering a tall slim black girl my companion spots Larissa, a blond girl with large firm breasts and calls her over for closer inspection. I am busy checking out Marina, a tall slim morena, who is practising her most sensual dance moves.
Waving her over for a chat I soon discover that she is extremely “safada” saying she likes two guys at once including double penetration. I tell that I thought that two guys with a girl weren’t allowed at L’Uomo and she replies that it was fine for two guys to take two girls to their Super Suite for an orgy. I discuss with my companion who is keen but thinks that a third girl as a reserve would be a good idea. We ask the girls who they suggest and Marina quickly says Valeria (who it turns out is her close friend). Well I need no convincing but Marina goes to get her so my companion who can’t remember exactly what she looked like can approve the choice which he does.
After a short wait for the room to be prepared the girls return to the bar dressed in their dressing gowns and lingerie to get us. Entering the room my companion is soon busy on the oval bed with Larissa. Kneeling in front of me Valeria and Marina both get to work on my cock and balls with Marina then moving behind me to tongue and finger my arse leaving Valeria to concentrate on my cock. These girls are so good at their work in pleasing us that our intention of double penetrating Marina is postponed for another day although we position Valeria to suck my companion’s cock whilst I take her from behind as Larissa and Marina continue to work on us both. Changing condoms I leave my companion in the tender hands of Valeria and Larissa whilst I turn my attention to Marina first on her back with one leg around my neck and then with her pounding away on top. As I seem to have dented Marina and Valeria’s professional pride by not cuming yet they both go to work on my cock, balls and arse again making it very clear they will not be satisfied until they have my “leite” all over their mouth and tits! They soon have their wish and we head off to the shower to clean up before they return to give my companion their full attention.
Total cost which we split came to a little under R$800 breaking down to R$690 for an hour with three girls in the super suite (I think the R$230 per girl breaks down to R$70 for the suite and R$160 for the girl) plus entrance fees and drinks. Obviously paying for the room charge for each girl increases the cost and is justified by the management in that the girl could be generating a room fee with another client if she wasn’t with you. A little expensive maybe but the girls were well worth every cent in my opinion. If you want to save money and get more time to enjoy the experience you can always arrange your orgy in a motel suite.
Day six of ten and all goes well. The days just start blurring into each other here. If you'll pardon a totally nonsexual comment/report I would highly recommend the favela tour. It's fun and educational. Please don't flame me for heresy but there are a lot more things to do here than the sex.
Ok, back to the sex. I felt a sense of personal achievement last night when my buddy and I closed down Luomo. If nothing else before I now feel I have earned my place on this Forum. Luomo remains my favorite terma for looks, attitude and performance. I did two different girls there (not at the same time), the latter a beautiful light brown-skinned girl named Malu. She was a complete animal in bed, and offered (and I took) her phone number. I've also been to Montecarlo and Solarium and give high ratings in all areas to both. I plan to try Termas 65 and maybe Aeroporto (sp?) downtown. Anyone want to comment/recommend?
Being in these termas is like directing and starring in your own porn movie. The only downside is the dread of returning to the land of frozen pussy (USA) in a few days.
I'm going to try Help again tonight. Hang gliding tomorrow.
Cheers.
Dark Knight and anyone else who may be interested: We had a midget sighting at Meia Petaca about an hour ago (And no, "midget" is not a bad word). It must be her as even here I can't imagine there being two of them! She is dark-skinned, golden brown hair and very attractive. I can see how she gets lots of dates, but not my style.
Hey BM Rio and any others who are here now, let me know if you want to hook up!
BM Rio,
Wow. That sounds like an awesome time (except the finger in the butt thing). I'm wondering if that is the very same Larissa who was working at Monte Carlo for Carnaval 2003. She was a great time, but the two-girl thing seems to be her typical M.O., as I had a similar request from her. I declined that because 40 mins in MC is just too short with 2 honeys.
I'll tell ya, though, that R$800 is a BIG number for an hour's experience. You didn't want to arrange that back at your apartment for a MUCH lower number? There are several agencies that currently run specials for R$720 for a festinha with FIVE garotas (see CIAPlus.com).
With all due respect, you guys are spending waaaay too much money.
As a new member of the forum, under the tutelage of "DocBill", I would like to extend a heartfelt thankyou to you all.
I've read the posts for the past 6 months. Now that I'm here I can attest to what has been said.
We hit the ground running. I have hooked-up with no less than two Cariocas a day since we got here.
I feel like I'm on the "Holodeck" of the Starship Enterprise. You can choose any size, shape, or color you wish; find it in a darling ( all I have met are sweet as can be) so beautiful that your your heart will jump into your throat, and have her in some form of "room"at the moment of your choosing.
Yesterday at Monte Carlo, I hooked up with this beautiful "blanca"with a "bunda" like a black gal. I had to tell her to stop playing with my "stuff"because it was getting embarrassing. Just looking at her grind that firm butt into my lap was almost too much.
So she just curled up in my lap and nibbled on my neck.
She did a thing with oral ( always uncovered here) that I have only seen in videos.
When I came back into the "club"DocBill was on his way for a second round.
Since I now have the hang of it, I took a steam and a shower, brushed the teeth, got a beer, and hung in the "lounge"joking with 6 of the most beautiful gals I have ever seen in my 43 years. The whole "rainbow" being represented.
1.5 hours later, and I choose this 5'8"amazonian "black gal with green eyes and hair like black satin. Big for my taste, but built like a "tight end"(no pun intended). She changed my life.
Gotta go because this honey-colored "fashion model"I brought home from Help the other night will be arriving at my hotel in an hour.
Can't wait to get home so I can post some photos. My first media card is almost full...
Oh, and tomorrow I have to go back to Lóumo because I promised "Anna Kornukova "I would return to "f___ her in the a__
"(at her request).
BM Rio - great report, Im going to L'uomo next week. It will be my first time but from what I can see it consistently gets great reviews.
Also for a similar session CIA plus an escort agency now has a promotion for 5 girls for 2 hours at $R720 reais. This is about $250 US for 5. For you and your buddy thats 2.5 garatoas apiece.
http://www.ciaplus.com/
DocBill, did you see the Japanese girl again? Does she speak good English and is she on the tall side. If so she has been going to Help for years, she used to dress us as a cheerleader.
About two years ago I made my first trip to Buenos Aires, Argentina. I fell in love with the city and the people there. It broke my heart to see so many people less fortunate than us. There are many children that don't have adequate clothing or food. Shortly after my first trip I had a goal of starting a non-profit foundation or charity to help out these people. I was surprised when Jackson (owner of WSG) was at my apartment in BA and told me that he was in the final stages of starting the same type of charity. I was amazed and touched that we had the same idea. There really was no need to redouble my efforts.
The news media likes to talk about a side of the hobby that the majority of us aren't a part of yet they don't talk about the other aspects. I'm not quite sure how much WSG Charities has raised over the past year but I'm proud to say that many guys have contributed. Some have made very generous donations of $1,000 or more. I think that's wonderful! There are so many guys that receive benefit from WSG. Directly and indirectly. I posted the following below and I would ask you to read it and make a contribution.
Maybe Jackson will decide to branch out and help feed the poor of other cities. There is so much good we as a collective group can do. There is nothing better than helping someone less fortunate than yourself. Please give generously.
I know some of you will have the response, "yeah, I already donate to charities in the USA" or make up some other excuse. Many of us donate to charities in the USA as well but I'd ask that you consider helping out this cause.
________________
"Hi amigos. Some of you may be aware that Jackson has taken the time to start a charity to help feed the poor of Buenos Aires and the surrounding communities. It's ironic because we both had the same thought about trying to do something to help the poor of Buenos Aires. He was much further along and took a lot of time and effort to put it together. Several of you have emailed me over the past several months asking if I still had plans to start something like this. There is really no need to double my efforts as we have the same goal.
I am asking all of you that have received benefit from my posts in the past and all of you that have received benefit from WSG to make a donation. This probably includes just about everyone reading this forum. Even if you have no plans to visit Buenos Aires you have probably received an indirect benefit of living vicariously through members from this forum. I'm not asking you to contribute a huge amount although if you could that would be great. With the sheer number of guys that read this board all it would take is a small donation of $10, $15, $20, $25, or $50 a year to make a big impact. If you can afford it then donate a few times a year.
I'm sure many of you could care less about the poor of Buenos Aires. If that is how you feel than so be it. I strongly feel that everyone can afford to contribute AT LEAST $10 or $15 to this cause. Several of us at the Thanksgiving Dinner last year contributed money to help with this cause. I hope that in the next few months I see more and more people with a designation under their handle that says they have donated. I didn't even know Jackson was doing that but it's probably a good idea. I would personally feel offended if I'm down there and out hobbying with some of you and you didn't contribute at least a little to this charity.
I feel like I've taken time to contribute through my posts and I've never asked any of you for anything. This is the first time and I hope you can find it in your heart to help out. You can make a donation with Paypal.com and that is probably the quick and easiest way. (To make it easy for him you might want to include your handle with your paypal.com donation). Please keep in mind that this is Jackson's project and he is the one that took the time to put it together. I know he probably didn't want to solicit donations and he never asked me to. I'm asking on my own behalf. Thanks in advance for your generosity!"
Saint
www.wsgcharities.com
Yes, Rio Bob, I believe we're talking about the same girl. Ónly Asian I've seen here too. I haven't seen her again but I haven't been back to Help yet. I certainly will not be looking for her.
And by the way, what the heck would one guy do with five girls anyway? Geez, I have enough trouble handling two at once; that's my limit! I would be interested in participating in some mixed festinhas here, though. Does anyone know how to find them?
Went hang-gliding today, and it was definitely an orgasm of a different kind. On the way back into my hotel a girl who had just tried to hold up a bus was getting cuffed and hauled away. Love this town!
DocBill,
Normally I wouldn't do this, but you guys compelled me because you talked her up. I have pictures of the "little person" you guys speak of. I have about 3 total, but i'll start slow.
I didn't get a date with her, but I found it amazing that she landed lots of dates, and word around town was, she's pretty damned good!
They called her "Mini-Me".
DocBill:
Glad you're having fun and that you didn't fall for any of the TV's in Lapa. Check your email....
Tom B.
I just got back from Termas 65 downtown. While I liked it better than 4X4 overall, the girls were less than impressive by Rio standards. It is also a bit more expensive, by about R$60, than the other termas I've been to. A few stunners, though, made the visit worthwhile. Here you can pay the entire bill with a credit card, but with a 10% surcharge (which came out to R$12 for me). The staff goes out of their way to be helpful.
Termas 65 has a nice layout with a good spa area and several floors, with a mini-restaurant on the top. It was there that I met Denise and her friend Simone, who tried to talk me into a trio. Not feeling too adventurous I went with Denise. She's built but not overweight, small breasts, dark skin and hair. Her service, particularly oral, was incredible (even by Rio standards).
The trick with the downtown termas (4X4, 65, Aeroporto) is to get there before the after-work rush at five and get out before they get too crowded, which happens around six. I have not yet found one that compares to Solarium, Montecarlo or my favorite, Luomo.
Watch the taxi drivers here: I noticed they tend to tip themselves with your money by giving back short change.
My favorite Termas currently are 65, Luomo and Solarium. Both 65 and Solarium have the best looking chicks but Luomo has a really friendly laid back atmosphere that I like.
I found one great find at Monte Carlo who gave the best fucking rim job I ever got. She stuck her tongue way up there. Plus she really liked anal too. I had her over to my apartment for a couple of great hours of anything goes. But in general the quality of the girls at Monte Carlo left a lot to be desired and both times I was there they tried to short change me on the time in the room.
I wonder about the time in the room. Sometimes it seems to go quick, others slow. I keep meaning to bring my watch in to time it, but I usually have other things on my mind. The only place I felt definitely shorted on the time was at 4X4.
At Help last night, about ready to leave I ran into a girl, Adrianna, that I spent a few nights with my last trip here. She was talking to another guy and I thought oh well, my tough luck. I just waved hello and five minutes later she was in my lap on the other side of the disco. I asked her about her other "friend"and she said that she was able to leave him and wanted to see me instead. This worked out real well, because since I know her I didn't have to go through all the trepidations and uncertainties with an unknown Help girl. She spent the night and we're going to Marius for dinner tonight.
It's raining so the plans to go to Corcovado and the beach today are cancelled. Damn, I may have to go for a matinee at a terma. Life is tough.
Two more days and I've got saudades (sp?) already!
update on "mini-me",
i came down to the lobby and there she was, waiting for a "friend". this guy from philly, that i had met at breakfast, came down and they took off for a day out.
she's actually very pretty, but the midget thing is a bit strange for me.
as we say in the medical field; i had a "maloccurance"the other day.
i hooked up with marianna for the second time. this time instead of help, i had her come to the hotel.
after a torrid, sweaty session , out i came to find that the "camisinha"had broken. i told her in a couple different ways with my spanish/portugese. she eventually "got it". i asked if there was anything we need to know about each other. her first question was if i had aids. i told her "no" and that i had been tested for everything 4 mos. ago due to a needle stick at work. she said she had been "checked"a couple weeks ago.
the next day, i gave a little squeeze before peeing and woah, out came a drop of white stuff that shouldn't have been there. i'm a doc and i know an infection when i see one. thankfully, no burning or any other sxs.
i knew i could get antibiotics from any drogaria, but i preferred to see a doc. within an hour dr. eduardo v. prezewodowski showed up. ( tele. 2521-2299, or cell: 9982-1990).
he's a super cool old dude. retired surgeon. now does house calls to all the hotels, in semi retirement. he speaks 6 or 7 lingos, so he is well known to the hotels. we weren't 100% sure, but we decided to go ahead and do what i refer to at work as a "fumigation". he gave me a shot in the butt, and a rx for zithromax( one a day for 3 days). the next day i went to his office ,3 blocks away, for another shot. by that time there was no visible infection.
we chatted a bit and i even picked his brain a bit about what would be involved in working as a doc. for a period of a few mos. down here. he's really a good guy, but typical macho latin attitude.
i told him i'd like to tell my buddy that she should drop by a clinic. he said "no; you see, you're the man, you don't call her".
nevertheless, i have my own personal/ ethical values.
i called her and explained it all. after asking if i had "sida", i again replied "no". she didn't seem to get my message though. possibly she was doing that latin-woman-ignoring-thing when they hear something they don't want to hear.
so, i can't say i was effective as i wanted to be, but i made an effort. she is a wonderful gal though. i expect she heard me and will get things taken care of.
i asked doc. what he recommended for my "activities"for the next week. he said "...of course, maybe take a day off sex, then go have a good time". he suggested i elevate the quality of my company though.
well, when i return in 6 mos., with much better portugese, i'm sure the "regular"clubs will be more of an option. until then, i'll stick with total, absolute gfe/pse with the most beautiful, kind and sexy women i have ever encountered. termas, help, whatever.
this s___ is out of this world.
posting on sylvania to come.
I always wear my watch and make it a point to check the start time. Both times I complained and they let me stay longer each time. I dont know if it is deliberate or just honest mistakes. But since it happened twice at the same place it makes me wonder.
DocBill449,
I know what you mean about the time. I've always wondered whether they have cameras in the rooms at Luomos as soon as I blast off the phone rings within 30 seconds of completion.
I think the clock starts ticking when the girls orders up the room and their dolling themselves up before you head to the room is on your time.
Hi,
A group of us are going to Rio memorial Day weekend for a bachelor party. It will be everyone's first time there. Any suggestions on where to venture off to for the weeklong festivities?
Thanks in advance.
9: 00 A. M. too excited to sleep more. Left a message under DocBill''s door that I'm here posting.
The two of us went on a double date last night to Mario's. (One of the best steak houses in Rio, S. American style).
It started at Help, two nights ago.
At first the crowd seemed a bit young. It was 11: 30. Pretty early for these standards. But it looked like a Rolling Stones concert outside at Cafe Atlantica. Without a doubt there were 30 or 40 gals that were brtween 15 and 18. We stay clear of those just to be safe. There is a crackdown on "kiddie-stuff"here. And I've heard the Policia uses some of these gals as bait.
Don't get me wrong, I go for extreme youth on occasion, but there are countless stunning 18 to 24's around to choose from. And that's extreme youth for me.
I spied this dream across the floor. By the time I was rounding the corner, she had her eyes locked on me. The proceedings that night were so nice, I got her number and couldn't wait to see her again.
Bill hooked up with one of his sweeties from before. The next thing I know I'm having a 2 A. M. chat with them both in his room. She asked where my "date"was (fully expecting that she was spending the night). I guess I was extra cautious having heard stories. Bill's friend was adamant that those stories are an extreme exception, and that she probably felt that I didn't like her that much for showing her the door.
I mean, after the "deed", she just rolled up in my arms and fell asleep! WHAT THE ____ IS THIS! 250R, and the whole night? ! (that's like $80! ), for a 9. 5! ALL NIGHT! I think I just couldn't believe it. This is what I now define as "GFE". I entertain no fantasies here, but I have rarely had such enjoyable company in the "States", even with someone I'm dating. And never with someone as beautiful as this. The girls had seen each other around and got along great.
It seems as though these women truely and authentically enjoy a night on the town with a guy who treats them with respect. Yesterday at noon I called Sylvania, and she was grocery shopping, and then off to buy "something nice to wear for me". I hadn't even asked her to dinner yet!
And let me tell you, when she showed up it was like a Chanel model out of the magazine!
Be sure to ask your desk man to call for reservations. We were treated like royalty upon our arrival.
P.S. , sorry that the last post was a bit off for this particular forum, but I thought Doc. P's number might be a good thing to have if you come this way.
Today, I promised Bill I'd do my first "double". It will have to be the Termas for this one. Those gals are the super pros!
Report – Regular non-pro places in Rio
After gathering informations from this forum about non-pro places, I decided to visit and report/update about some of them.
Disco / Boate
- Baronetti (Ipanema, located on Praca N.S. da Paz). I was there on Friday night 22h30 pm almost first customer and it was full by midnight with a huge waiting queue then. This is a very clean and modern disco of average size with a VIP room upstairs. Arriving in in the beginning of the night gave me the occasion to watch the people coming in. Baronetti is the place where I saw the most beautiful women in Rio. It was like a fashion show. Almost all of them are wearing nice skirts, high-heel shoes and have bikini sun-tan marks... However, this is more the white “high society” of Rio with an entry price of 70 reals prepaid (45 during the week it seems). I was confused first because of the charging system: I thought I would have to pay 70 reals + drinks, which frightned me and spoiled my evening. This is actually 70 reals prepaid, so you can drink up to 70 reals and must pay more only if you consume for more than 70. The casheer did not speak any english so I had to leave and ask for the invoice to eventually understand the system.
- Symbol (Centro, avenida Almirante Barroso). Entry 20 reals as far as I can remember gives you access to a free buffet but drinks are extra. This is a modern place. I was there on Wednesday night 7pm for the after-work evening. This is a good place if you want to see the normal working “mid-class” people of Rio. Like anywhere else in the world, there are a lot of singles among them: “Solteiro no Rio de Janeiro” like a popular song said. The place seems to be very popular and was packed by 9pm.
Bars/Restaurants:
- Cobal (do Humaita). Located in Botafogo. This is the name of a complex which is an indoor market on one side and bars/restaurants on the other side (Rota 66 mexican restaurant for instance). There is a big outdoor terrace with a nice view on the nearby “Christo redentor” statue. A very popular place. Normal people there, rather young 18-35 and some couples with kids as well. What you have to do is come with some friends and get a table right in the middle of the terrace to have the best approaching possibilities if there are groups of girls in the tables nearby. If you are alone, this is not really the best place to go.
- Cozumel (Jardim Botanico, av lineu de Paula Machado 696, 1 block from the laguna). I had bad luck and was there on tuesday, which seems the only day without the flat-fee system for drinks and food. I was there with my Garota and the Fajitas from the menu were OK. Taxi driver said that the monday before, lot of people and the party was good.
- Arco do Teles (Centro, Travessa do Comercio 2-6). This is actually a small and old lane with an arch at the entry located on the famous Praca XV. This is classified as an exclusive after-work place. I was there on Saturday night and it was completely dead/closed. Apparently the bars there are only open on Friday from 7pm.
- Melt (Leblon, Rua Rita Ludolf 47A). This is a restaurant with a bar. Entry 25 reals prepaid on monday as far as I can remember. Not many people and nothing special to report. This place should be better during the week-end though.
- Bardot (Leblon, Rua Dias Ferreira 246). This is small bar with elaborated design/decorations. I was there on Wednesday night (Entry 10 Reals refundable after 1 drink) and the place was quite empty, besides a group of young rich girls having fun taking pictures of themselves with their Digital camera. I got quickly bored and left around midnight. No idea if more people would have come in later but I doubt it on a weekday.
Generally, making Contacts in those places is not easier as anywhere else in the world and it’s a lot more easy if you are with friends. The “hot brasilian babes” that I imagined before my trip are actually those you can find in Help!
Bachelor in Rio,
I'm here now and I can tell you that all the info you seek is already here. Many great details from some very wise fellows.
However, you can't go wrong with Lóumo, Monte Carlo or Solarium ( where I will be in about 45 minutes).
I met a local business guy waiting for the "cabine"at Terma 65 ( which IMHO is a slight click below the aforementioned, and a bit out of the way). He swears by Centarus. The rate is more like 300Raiis, vs. the 200-250 at the other places. But he says EVERY gal is a 10, and here that is saying a lot.
I won't have time for Centarus this trip, but keep in mind the difference of 50-100 R is a difference of 30-40 bucks!
My buddie just won't go there on principle, and it's more fun as a team. So maybe you can lemme know.
Bambino, I guess you got your STD before you visited Brasil as the incubation periods are always in the order of weeks, not hours. Did the "doc" take any swabs for analysis? What was this shot in the ass? Gentamycin perhaps?
Its also strange that pus came out of your penis AFTER [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url], usually this washes away any pus/exudate. Its also strange that if this quantity of pus were produced that you saw no staining on your underwear or pain. Are you sure you were just not being a hypocondriac???
I think you should call the girl as you may have given her an STD. Maybe buy her the drugs/pay for her tests etc?
How strange for a Brasilian doctor to be unconcerned that this girl was infected.
Cutting edge is dead on with these comments. If it was the "next day" as it's described, you probably brought this along with you. If it was virulent enough to produce a discharge AFTER urination, you'd have had some serious burning during urination. I wouldn't have been surprised if you had complained of fever, tenderness or soreness with this description.
So, I'd agree with CE. Plus, the swab would have been pretty important to clarify which bug you were carrying so the antibiotic would be more likely to bump it off.
Get checked, again by a "real" doctor and do your pretty friend a favor and get her checked too. Many of us may end up REALLY appreciating that you did.
S (M.D.)
i lived in the philippines for 4 years (military) in the early 80's before hiv. and needless to say most std's were curable and no one wore protection.
let's just say that i have 1st hand experience that incubation is less that 12 hours.
yes, my underwear stuck to my pecker when i got up the next day.
yes, when i went to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] it felt like i was pissing barbed wire.
yes, after i peed it still oozed.
and the test for it was unbearable. they take a thin wire with cotton swab on the end and insert it in your penis bout 3 inches to get a good sample. actually i think it was not needed just a punishment by the on base clap clinic to ensure that you either wrap that rascal or take your pecker problems to an off base dr. who will be a lot nicer.
while i was there, there was a super resistant strain of g (aka super-clap) going around. the only way to cure it was with a cocktail of drugs that required four injections. three with the cocktail and one with novacaine to deaden the area given and you had to stay in the hospital at least one day. mainly because you couldn't walk with all that serum in the glute. luckily mine wasn't that one.
i'm not an md but i did sleep at a holiday inn express last night :)
Hi Guys,
Heading to "a cidade maravilhosa" at the end of this month, and wondering if you know of a good place to buy vitamin V near the Debret and also if there is an internet cafe nearby. Thanks in advance.
To those deciding which termas are better, I was last in Rio 2 years ago and I thought I got the best service at Solarium and Centaurus. I can definitely see why some people are turned off by Centaurus though, because the management has a rude and crappy attitude. They need to be like most other termas and get some hotties to work in the registration there, a small touch that would go a long way.
One last question, I would like to try the escort services this time, but not sure how the routine works. Should I get a room at a love motel first and then call or do you set everything up with the escort agency?
Thanks!
Shtupp Out
Snooky, I wouldn't be surprised if you also were already infected and that it was coincidence that the infection surfaced 12 hrs after another sexual encounter.
Compare your symptoms to those of bambino and you'll see the differences.
The swab is still used today and goes down to the base of the penis. This is examined under a microscope for inflammatory cells, while a second is sent for culture.
Is there somebody in Rio that can do me a big favor?
Need some investigative help from somebody who will be going or can go to L'Uomo on Tues. or Wed.
Please PM me.
Thanks in advance.
CE,
I was there for 4 years. I hate to say it but that wasn't my only brush with danger :) And they only put that thing until your screams break windows.
Just returned from another successful adventure in Rio. Decided to try some different settings besides Help and the termas.
After reading about the casa I decided this would be a great early afternoon activity. However, I did not want to travel to far from my familiar settings. Found a casa in Copacabana at R. Aires Saldanha 15 apt 1104. Very easy to find behind the park off of Siqueria Campos. Clean and comfortable building with several doctor offices located within. I visited 1 beedroom apartment twice. The first was at noon time. There were 3 girls working all between 22-24 yo. I went with Julia 50r who about a 6 with a great set of boobs. Very firm D's which almost looked too good to be real. The second time was around 9pm, there were 5 girls working. There were 5 local guys there which killed the mood. I would not go back again at night, but would diffently recommend it for some cheap early afternoon fun.
Also, decided to give Don Juan a chance since the reports are old. Entered with no fee. The girls were cute to average. Had to beers and a martini for my friend. Went to the VIP section for some fun. 50r for the activity, I was really starting to like this place. I go to the bathroom and when I return the bartender is shows me a tab for 100r. 20r for the 2 beers, 30r for the martini, and 50r for the house. I said hell no and the bartender writes 80r. I said hell no. After a heated exchange with several of the workers, the owner stated I did not have to pay anything. I told him I have no problem with paying but I will not pay 80r for 3 drinks. We settled on 60r. Too bad, because the place has potential.
Finally, for all you that frequent Rio. I go twice a year for the last 4 years. Twice when returning I have been quetioned by customs only in Mia. What do you do? Why do you visit rio so much? Each time the agents has always had a very abrasive attitude. Has anyone else had similiar experiences?
Hi Guys,
As I wrote in the Argentina section I’ve finally start my trip to South America with my short three nights stay in Rio.
I’ve arrived Friday morning at 8.00AM and transfer to town went quite smooth even with morning traffic jam.
First bad surprise, my agents book me on Savoy Othon in Avenida Nostra Signora de Copacabana, just two blocks from the beach.
As soon I’ve arrive, I just realized how miserable were the room there. Very small, (when I say small it means so small that you hardly passing between the bed and the walls even if I was book in a superior) no AC controls, no room service, and so, the worst of the budget hotel I never seen.
Just a quick return to the reception and check how much was the differences to move to Othon Palace in Avenida Atlantica (about 65US$ x night) and move there. Not to be fancy but now my room is just better with enough space to walk around and the basic amenities.
I got a room in an Executive Floor on the 25th floor with a gorgeous view of Copacabana Beach.
Quick shower and nap and finally ready to hit the town, I discover that the weather was getting cloudy so no way to go to the beach, so I decide to call an escort site to have a girl in my room for the afternoon.
My choice went on Michelle Panthers, the main reason was because it was the only one advertises on the news paper with the note (“we speak English”). The trick in Othon Palace, where I already been three time is to call the escort because if you walk in the lobby with a girl you have to register her in your room.
I’ll not give you the number of the agency because the Forum police don’t allow me to write it but you can find it the Rio yellow page or advertised in the local paper.
The “mamasan” answer my call speaks very basic English just enough to understand each other, I gave her my first name and room number and after a while she returned the call
The bargain start from 600 real for a model with a book of her photos and 300 real for normal girl, so finally after a fast negotiation I got a girl for two hours for 150 real. Probably I could get lower but I was lazy cause the long overnight trip.
The girl arrived to my room in about 90 minute and her name was Andrea, white skin brown eyes and hair, quite nice face, beautiful tits, not fat but with big leg, I could say chubby just a strong girl.
She is been quite nice, she didn’t ask money upfront so the business starts, she gave a great blowjob and after probably 25 minutes of memorable mouth art I could not hold no more and come in her mouth.
She didn’t complain at all and surprising she keeps work on me, and after a while she put on me a condom and start the fuck.
Well I should tell you it is been good and the girl gives a very good girlfriend service without any hassle or rudeness, she didn’t work on clock and she stay longer of the two agree hours.
On her departures after more then three hours I put in her pocket the 200 real plus 10 real tips for the taxi and she seams to be happy.
Well guys it was already late afternoon so I got same room service food and decides to go to Luomo, because after a check Meia Pataca were not look attractive to me on that on that time.
I walked to the Termas and it took me no more then 25 minutes, I use to do that and I always felt safe, of course I left watch and gold chain in the hotel safe!
Arriving there I founded that the steam bath was broken so the entrance fees was reduced to 30 real from the usual 50, not a bad surprises!
The place were quite busy packed with many Brazilian gringos and few foreigners, I hooked up with a Japanese guy and a British dude and drunk with them for a while.
The place was alright and after an hour I decide to go in a cabina with a beautiful negro girl call Kerry or Kelly.
Well I’m not in negro girls usual, I have lived a long part of my life in the West Indies so I got many of them but that one rock me a lot.
She is the tallest of the negro girls available there in Luomo and she is very slim as a model and probably around 20 years old.
I don’t know if because the alcohol but I am not afraid to tell you that it is been the best fuck with a pro that I have got from long long time.
She is been really good with an extremely wet pussy and it was seam to me she was enjoying the fuck too, not only moaning and the usual acting but really participating to the sex!
The standard time went in a while and on the end she was pretending that I finished my load in her face thing that I did with great pleasure.
I didn’t try anal, but I would to go back there for her before my departure.
So I took a shower and left the bill was 192 real (30 entrance fee, 100 cabin, 62 drinks) and I paid 200 real and left 8 as tips.
It was definitely the best 65$ fuck I’ve got from Brazil!
I really recommend her and I really suggest and experience if any of you will go to Luomo
I walked back to my room in Othon with the intention of change my dress and go to Help Disco but the buzz (drinks) and the long overnight flight knock me down in the bed.
The above is the result of my first 16 hours in Rio, I knew that I probably been lucky with both of the girls, because I already know Rio standard but once in a while been lucky it’s just good.
Please excuse my broken English, I will be back with the rest of the trip report with the other to days stay.
The weather forecast looks really bad so Saturday probably no beach maybe another escort and later Terma or Help.
Happy mongering
Take care guys.
Hi guys,
The following are the report of day two and three of my stay in Rio.
Day two Saturday 20th March.
I woke up after a very long night sleep at eleven and the weather is getting cloudy again, so after some work on my laptop I decide to go to the restaurant inside the Othon where every Saturday they do a nice fajolada.
Boy I like that food but it is so heavy to digest… that I need a nap till 4.00pm to get back in action.
I decide to go for shopping and Rio Sol was my choice, I knew that apart shopping you can find nice girl there in cloudy days because the chicks are not going beach but they would like stay around for the day so I did.
I both few clothes and other amenity when on the second floor where there are all the telephone company boot I saw a very nice cutie, with short hair looking around and she gave the feeling of be a pros awaiting for phone call, because she keeps look at phone and sending SMS.
I keep watch her fro 20 minutes then finally I decide to talk to her, she didn’t speaks any English but with a mix of Italian and Portuguese I discovered her name was Irina, I ask if she was using go to the beach because I saw in her skin tan signs and she told me that she use to be in Copacabana almost everyday!
Bingo she was a pros, so I decided to start ask around what she was doing and where she was use to go night and finally ask her if she was willing to spend the rest of the day with me, she says no! But keep talk and smile so I offer her 200real for few hours and the promise of dinner together.
She told that she can’t come with me but she promise to see me later in Help.
I said alright, probably some other date.
I went back the Hotel and leave my stuffs there and I decide to go back to Luomo for the negro girl meet the previous day.
Same routine there online down part the place were very busy jammed with Brazilian guys, I wait for 30 minute and pick up Kerry again and had two sessions with her.
I keep recommend her because she is been great and I appreciate comment or report on anyone will meet her in the future.
So back to the hotel and let’s go to Help.
I don’t like the place, I been there already many time but I’m just not the disco type of guy.
Too much smoke there, people all over and a disgusting smell from the carpet floor, like some one had vomited on!
Well fortunately I saw Irina and I decide to hanging with her for same buzz.
She was drunks like crazy, and after three round of caipirinia I ask her to go back in my room because I was not in the mood to keep pay for her drinks.
She asked how much money I could give her and I told her 200 real for all night she was asking for more but I denied so we left together.
Back in my room the sex wasn’t anything special, she was just too drunk and scares but the surprise was the following morning when after wake up she was better and the sex level went up in a much better level.
She remain with me the remain of the days and I paid her only the agreed 200 real plus some food that we got together in my room and later in Meia Patacca.
And of story not a bad experience.
Well, here I am back in the land of no pussy, with muito saudades for Rio! Left last night after a final blast at MonteCarlo with a stunner named Luna. There were no problems or delays at the airport, but security checking is tight and time-consuming, so be there at least two hours early. Now it's on to planning my next trip. Thanks again to all you guys who were so kind and helpful both on this board and in person! I hope you found some of my own reports helpful as well.
I have been reading the forum since a couple of months and a couple of days ago I realised that so many reports with useful information are available, that I am grateful to those people who offer that valid information and I would like to contribute too.
I just came back a couple of days ago from Rio (it was my ninth trip to RiO), unfortunately this trip was only 4 days long so I didn`t have much time to stay with many girls. I concentrated on my favorite terma l`Uomo where I had a fantastic evening which I ended with Leticia, a petite blond girl 29 years old who treats me like a king every time she sees me. She has been one of my best experiences in my life; on an other trip she has also been with me out of the termas.
The other night I hanged out in Help, IMHO the place is declining and isn`t anymore like 5 years ago. However I had a hot night with a 28 year old beauty from Belo Horizonte.
I'm going back in a couple of weeks from now, this time for 16 days in which I don`t have to consider about work and I only have to think about the ladies.
Greetings,
Rio Lover #2
Rastaman,
Give the guy a break. As you can tell by his writing, english is not his primary language. That is probably an exceptable reference for black in his country. Just as it is in spanish. However IMHO, "dipshit" is not acceptable in any language.
White Shark - Thanks so much for sharing your Rio experience with us I really enjoyed your writing. I will be in Rio next week and will be going to L'uomo for the first time and thanks for the tip on that girl , I think I will have to check her out.
bambino, et al,
if it breaks again, just say "condom es quebrado" which basically means "the condom broke". quebrado is pronounced "kay bra doe" with the accent on the "bra". i can't say that's proper portuguese, but she'll know what you mean.
in 1985, shortly after starting to work in north eastern brasil, i had a similar experience to the one described by snooky. i can't remember if it was the next morning that the puss showed up, but it was certainly within 36 hours. my medical training is limited to a bit of first-aid, so i can't say what the normal incubation period is for the clap, but prior to my very memorable night with the best looking woman in this little fishing village (aguamare, rio grande do norte), i hadn't had sex for about 5 weeks - that was with a garota in fortaleza. i suppose it's possible that i caught it from the garota in fortaleza 5 weeks earlier, but if that's the case, i find it a little too coincidental that the symptoms showed up shortly having sex with the busiest girl in northeastern brasil. the nearest doctors office was in natal, about 2hrs by boat, followed by about 6hrs by taxi, so after suffering much embarassing "hazing" by the rest of the crew, the closest thing we had to a medic gave me a box that had "gonopak" written on it. i, naturally, thought it was more of the "hazing", but he assured me it was the real deal, available over the counter in any pharmacy in brasil at that time - told me to take all the pills (as i recall, there were 7 large tablets, shaped like a regular aspirin, but about 3 times bigger, and two horse pills that were elongated, capsule shaped tablets). i took the pills and much to my amazement, there were no symptoms in the morning.
i headed back to the states to tie up some loose ends about a week after taking "the cure", bought another "gonopak" in a pharmacy in natal for good measure. when i was in the states, i got checked out by a doctor (he limited the testing to a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] sample). i told him about the "gonopak", he was familiar with it but thought that the pills were supposed to be portioned out over 3 days, not taken all at once. he was also shocked that it was available over the counter. he agreed that the name was rather humorous, then he lectured me on how bacterial strains become resistant to antibiotics (thus, the shock about the otc availability of the gonopaks).
the pain was terrible, just as described by snooky, and the puss was pretty much at a constant ooze, it made me feel like i had to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] all the time - if pissing cleared up the puss, it was only for a few seconds, a minute at most. worst thing about the puss was the color - yellowish green - looked like curry sauce - couldn't bring myself to eat indian food for about 10 years.
cw
Rio Bob,
While you are at it, please take pictures of GIRLS.
Late Night - I can appreciate your request but I am also waiting to see pictures of your girls from Tijuana since this is where you monger. Please post some pictures of your beautiful chicas so we can share in your experience also.
Lots of great input guys. About the STD thing; Sorry to disagree, but I'm a surgeon and I know pus when I see it. I did have a run in with Chlamidia about 15 years ago, and it did burn like hell. This didn't. 12-16 hours is not an unreasonable amount of time for early sxs. It couldn't have been anything else. And I wasn't willing to wait until I had worse sxs to deal with it. Most likely it was an early catch. And no potential exposure within the preceeding couple weeks. And I did call her and explained it all to her. So enuf of that.
Now, Rio Lover #2. was the girl from Belo Horizonte named Sylvania, 5'10' white, with dark, thick, long hair and built like a power forward / If so, dude, you lucked out. She is a total sweetie, and provided a total "Brazilian GFE". I told her just come to me so she wouldn't have to even deal with Help. I think many of the girls would rather get with one guy for 200 Raiis and call it a night. But I met others who prefer to spend a couple hours, and then get back for another client. The former is PART of what I mean by "Brazilian GFE". Made one last stop by Monte Carlo 4 hours before takeoff. DocBill had told me how things work, but I'm such a sweet sucker. I get there and this gal that rocked my world comes right over and hooks me up at the bar. Took off her lip gloss so she could make out with me. So I did that a while and just played lazily with her bod. But this was the time for an epic ending, and only a 10 would do. I also knew I would need to do this to graduate to the next level "Monger-2". So I told her that I'm "esperando" and pecked her on the cheek, let go of her and went to sit with this stunner that had just arrived. This girl did things to me that I have only seen on DVD. Her face was so beautiful and she was so erotic that I had to keep telling her to stop playing with my stuff because I couldn't stand up like I was. I just told her "peligroso", that this was a little "sorpresa para voce".
I'm back here and my mind is still there. I so want to call up one of my "team" to come on over. But I can't Rio will make you walk a bit taller. Oh, BTW Dr. P IS a real doc. You don't have to culture everything because the things that produce discharge can be treated empirically with ease these days.
Will be in Rio again at 6 April.
Anybody else there at this time?
Inflation has hit L'uomo. Today I flew into Rio and, as usual, made L'uomo my first stop. I'm there often enough that the receptionist remembers my face but not often enough for her to remember my name even though I always kid her about it.
She greeted me with the bad news that their prices had gone up "a little" as she put it. The new price chart she showed me when I went in did not match my charges exactly when I settled my bill, but the grand total seemed to match. My bill was:
R$35 Entrance Fee
R$220 For 1 Hour with a lovely garota
+ the usual reasonable prices for drinks
I would say selection today was slighty below average by L'uomo standards. But their new pricing of $255 for an hour makes me wonder whether I should go back to visiting Centaurus where the price was R$290 the last time I visited in October. Yes, at Centaurus that's the price for 40 minutes and I'm sure the guy at the reception is still a jerk, but the selection at Centaurus has always been unmatched. And I find that I only need 40 minutes to take care of business. I always get an hour at L'uomo because the 40-minute "cabines" are the size of a shoe box, while the 40-minute cabines at Centaurus are very spacious.
Before going back to Centaurus I'm hitting Monte Carlo later tonight to see if inflation has hit them too and I'll report back. Good mongering to you all.
www.companygirl.com.br has a promotion for 2 hours at 140 reais , I will be using their services before a termas, it's less money and your at home with your drinks and 2 hours beats 40 minutes. Proxima vez Rio,
Rio Bob,
My only concern with the agencies is that I've heard you sometimes don't get what you think.
When in Rio last week, I met a fellow who seemed to imply that you might be able to go to the agency and look at their "books" and select.
Do you know anything about that?
As a followup to my previous post, I went to Monte Carlo yesterday and Solarium today and their prices seemed to be at the same levels as before. I'll go to Centaurus tonight and let you all know if they have also increased prices.
As a side note, for those of you who enjoyed the mixed sauna (i.e. swinger's night) at Solarium, they are only doing it on Sundays now as opposed to both Wednesdays and Sundays. Personally, I never cared for the mixed sauna since everytime I checked it out it was basically one or two old hags giving free BJ's in the sauna.
As for Rio Bob' suggestion about the escort services I prefer to pass on those even though they are a better value. Simply put you can't see the goods before delivery. And even the picture books with faces included can be touched up. Help is also a good value at R$200 average for the night but I haven't been back there in two years.
I like the atmosphere of a Terma where all the girls are there for you to review in their bikinis that hide nothing and you can chat, fondle, be-fondled, joke-around, etc. with the girls before closing the deal. Plus, I like the safety that the Terma provides. There's no chance that a Terma girl will slip something in your drink and rob you blind in the Terma. The same cannot be said of the girls at Help (even if it's very rare). And finally, I like the fact that Termas submit their girls to monthly STD tests. Of course, it would be naive to think that Terma girls are 100% disease-free, but again I think on average they are going to be in better health than girls at Help or Meia Pataca. My guess is that at least some of the Terma girls who don't pass their monthly STD test end up at Help the next day, but I might be wrong.
And please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to put down anyone's mongering preference. I'm just explaining my own personal preferences. The beauty of this board is that it can help each monger find the place or places they like best. My best friend for example tried all the options in Brazil and simply didn't like it. He hated being in a robe and flip-flops at a Terma (which cracked me up). He's also a hardcore Thailand fan and he's definitely not coming back to Brazil. As I told him when he was apologizing to me for not liking Brazil: It would be pretty boring if everyone in the world only liked vanilla ice cream.
Hulk,
Great synopsis.
I've been having a few thoughts now that I've been back from Rio for 5 days.
It has to do with how overpriced American pussy is (at least here in S.F.).
Let's say a Help girl somehow talks you into a 250R deal...
Let's say that the $/Real value is 1/3...
This implies that the cost of goods and services is 3 times higher here...
It would follow that the going rates should be $200-$250 here...
However, the going standard here seems to be $300 (if you hunt on line you can find good value at $250, but this is rare).
And what you get here: who knows who will show up/ I've had my fair share of "are you going to cum soon"'s/ not to mention that the standard is to "book" outa there after 1 hour ( even those that don't watch the clock)/ covered oral the standard/ I could go on and on.
Need I say more,
My Portugese class starts next week at Berlitz!
I delayed submitting this report because I thought interest in this type of activity would be low, but here goes:
On my final day in Rio, I had to return my cell phone to BlameitonRio. I then decided to walk along Nossa Senhora de Copacabana instead of Atlantica back to my apartment (Leme). As I was passing that Adult Video store next to the Pao de Acucar supermarket, I decided to finally check this joint out. I think the approximate location is Figueredo de Magalhaes or Siquiera Campos. I'm not certain. In any event, you can't miss it. It was late afternoon, and I was just going to kill some time before my flight.
I went inside, and I ask about the 'live girls" sign because the first floor was just some sexy (but bad) lingerie and sex toys and vids. The guy directs me upstairs and it's a set-up very similar to what you would find back in Times Square in the good old days: partitioned booths where you drop a coin and the window goes up and there are women dancing on a small rotating platform.
I had bought 10 reais worth of coins, so I figured I'd blow the whole thing. As you know, sex is too accessible in Rio to be whacking in some little booth. But this absolute DIME comes on stage and I'm stunned by her hotness. 5'8"-5'10", lithe, toned and pretty. What is this beauty doing in a jerk shack??
So, she tells me to go to the "other" booth and pick number TWO. Like a good soldier, I do that. This is a larger, private booth and we are separated by a plexiglas wall that goes up about six feet. I had to buy another $R15 for this booth. At this point, I'm just spending monopoly money to see where this goes.
So, she asks me if I'd like to touch. "Uhh, Yeah!". She tells me to get up on the chair. This is a little, round stool, and I was certain that I'd break my neck. So, I'm standing on this stool, and she is reaching over the glass giving me a HJ, and I am reaching over the glass feeling her up. Her body was incredibly toned and this tenderoni is smokin'. She pulls out a condom, and I'm wondering what is gonna happen now. She puts the condom on my finger, and lets me (directs me to!) finger her while she's giving me this HJ. This took me back to every great night I had in high school. Within a couple of minutes (yeah, that quick), I bust off all over the glass. She smiles, and I get down off the chair. She points to the stack of paper towels on the coin box and I semi-clean myself off. I then walk out of the booth, down the stairs, and straight out into the street. I know there's a clean-up guy, but I wanted to spare myself the "look".
Key follow-up:
1) What was a girl THIS fine doing working there instead of in a termas? The other girls were attractive , as well.
2) Has anyone else been to this spot and had similar (or nearly) experience?
3) Why did this have to happen on my last day? I would have surely gotten her cell number and had great sessions in meu apartamento.
4) This is a R$20-R$25 HJ from a gorgeous girl with no games, drinks, delays, or pre/post interraction.
5) If you go, skip the small booths and just pick the girl you want from the photo array on the wall.
Thoughts?
@ Dark Knight:
reading your report, I just wanted to kick myself for not having checked this place, as I thought it was just selling porn magazines.
I walked 100 times in front of it as my appartment was next to it. It's located at the corner Avenida N.S Copacabana and the Praca serzedelo Correia.
Latrell
First time at HELP
I just came back from my first Rio trip and I can’t help to write my own report about Help, even if I know a lot has already been said. Could be usefull for guys coming to Rio for the first time.
I avoided HELP at the beginning of my stay as a lot of members were saying it was too professional and no longer what it used to be. After a few days, I decided to give it a try to make my own opinion.
It’s actually the biggest disco and dance floor I have been in Rio. It’s true that there are smells coming from the floor or from behind the bar but it’s not noticeable when the place is full. Nobody mentioned the outdoor terrace which has a beautiful view on the beach at night. Perfect to take a break and smoke a cigarette, looking at the waves. The atmosphere on the dancefloor is more fun than at the discos back home. The guys are relaxed due to the presence of so many sexy and available girls. This black guy from Philadelphia spoke to me and showed the dancefloor: “Look at that”! He was clearly in heaven. The only thing that really bugged me on the next nights was that the DJ was always playing the same songs in the same order, for instance Mylene Farmer’s “Désanchantée” at around 2am.
Concerning the girls, my first impression was that there were indeed a lot of “hard-core” pros, but that there were few nice girls who were there for fun as well.
I think the worst are the young and pretty girls that will bait you for a quick fuck, take you money and spit you out like an used chewing gum. Generally, the girls to avoid are clearly the ones that speak about money upfront. “I fuck you for 100$” said one. No way. Or the ones that come each day as if they were going to the office, which you can notice the next nights you come.
I had luck and was able to hit on a nice tall black girl form Salvador who never mentioned money. Thank you to the tourist guy from Israel who pushed me on her! We went out to take a “agua de coco” on the beach in front of help. Good idea to relax. We could notice how a group of gringos who had been smoking marijuana on the beach had been busted by the PM and taken to the police station. Bad idea to buy marijuana from the touts on the beach…
After that, we headed for my appartment. Sex was OK but my strengths around 4am are limited... On the next day, there was the famous moment when she is leaving that I know from Thailand where you have the feeling she is expecting something. I gave her all the money I had left from the night in my purse, which was around 90 reals and said it was for Taxi, which saved the face for both of us. I saw her again 2 days later and we went to eat to the restaurant. We fucked 2 times during that night and I gave her 100 reals for taxi this day. All in all, I was happy to have pulled out of Help the first night maybe one of the few nice girls there.
I think everyone should check Help at least one time. If you like going clubing, you'll have fun anyway. And you don't have to take a garota home. My 2 other nights at Help during the week, I did not find any girl that I liked and went back "sozinho" to my hotel.
Cheers,
Latrell
Hi guys,
I wanna go to Rio in three days. Have a question concerning escort services (placed my question there as well). Is ist possible to order an excort girl into Hotel Rio Roiss hasslefree? And is "scortshow" a reliable service. I am looking for a nice "garota" with big tits. Scortshow have some girls who fit into my catalogue....
Thanks for yr advices in advance.
Bambino, you are absolutely right, I am in Rio now and on my first day I called company girl and had Raefael sent over. I was sitting outside of my apartment next door having a beer waiting for her to show up. When a taxi pulled up and the girl went over to my door and rang the bell to my apartment I told her she was looking for me. We went and had a beer, I checked her out and her face was bad, she looked nothing nice like her pictures. I told her I changed my mind and gave her taxi money to go home. i went to sleep this was my first day I was tired and I woke up at 2 in the morning and went to Help, the place was hopping at 2:30 in the morning, I spotted some real nice onces, I went to get a drink and some american guy asks me the price range in Help, I said it depends on how you negotaite. Then I felt a tap on my shoulder, it was Christina a girl I know for 7 years, it was good to see her. I decided to take her home again as it was good to break the ice with a familiar face. Sex back at my apartment was fantastic, she has alot of experience, beautiful body and had one last session before she left the next day. Life is good.
On my second day Saturday, I was walking down the street to meet a fellow poster and I ran into someone i know who has an apartment in Rio for 20 years. I asked him if he can give me the number again of a woman who has girls in her apartment in Copacabana, he said she moved and that he would take me there, I couldn't pass it up as these girls are usually very new to the business and not very professional. We got to this rundown one bedroom in the back streets, there was one girl there 18 yo and another one showed up both very sexy young and innocent, we stayed awhile had some beers and the cialius I took the previous day started to work when I saw these girls walk by. I decided to take the 18 yo back to my place. Talk about GFE this was the best gfe I ever had, so young, sweet and not exepnsive. I am planning to make another visit soon if I could find the place again.
I also went to Help again, my old friend was looking for a repeat but I couldn't do it again, she followed me around all night. Finally I saw this real tall blond, I asked her if she was a basket ball player and she said yes, in high school and after in a club. I had to have this giraff and the old friend was bugging me not to go with her but I did. Those long legs, wow, wrapped around me and in every position, unbelievable gfe also, the best. With her shoes on I had to look up at her, wwwhat a sight, I love this place.
Exchanging money at help is a bad rate now, help gives 2.8 while the ATM give 2.93.
Entrance to Help is 28 reais, drinks went up to 7 reais for a rum and coke.
The Marriott hotel has a deal for non guests you pay 60 reais for 1 week that give you access to their gym, pool and deck on top of the hotel and a beach chair on the beach all included.
I have never heard anyone mention a club called Doma. I went when I was in Rio for Carnival and the women were incredible. It's not that far from Help either. Ask around, trust me worth the trip!
Rio Bob,
Thanks for the info about the Marriot special for 60 reais per week. That is very exciting, as I will be back in Rio in 20 days. I can't wait to get back to the old haunts, MP, Helpe, the Balcony (good hamburgers there). I am looking forward to seeing Bob Nelson (white cowboy hat and soft lunch pail) and all the girls I've loved before.
A question about Cialis: I have tried both Viagra and Levitra. Both have some side effects (low blood pressure, throbbing veins, etc.). How are the side effects with Cialis and do they last for as long as the medication lasts?
And lastly, please everyone use condoms. I got chlamydia down there once, and that is easily taken care of, but it was still somewhat scary. Now that these rapid, oral HIV test will soon be available, I am going to buy them by the gross.
Hello,
I am considering making my first trip to Rio in mid-June, but was concerned that that the weather may not be pleasant. I'd really appreciate it if anyone with knowledge on this can perhaps comment. Thanks a lot!
JohnKnox
Josh,
1) Yes, Levitra has a MUCH lower side effect level. Much. Yes, for most, they last at least 36 hours, and some in the sample got 72 hours of effect.
2) Oral HIV test: why would you consider byign so many? Just be careful, use condoms and get tested every 6 months IF you engage in risky behavior.
Remember, HIV is not so simple to get.
S
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Josh, it seems my buddy got Chlamydia too. Fortunately it is easily treated. Yes, Cialis has the same side effects and they do last longer, but so does your hard-on. Overall it is a "smoother" experience than Viagra or Levitra. I combine them for a "superdick" effect, but I don't recommend it as it probably isn't too good for you. The cialis side effects, like its hard-on effects, are a bit milder than the others. The great thing about cialis is that you can take one and not worry about taking any pills for at least two more days. I recommend 20 milligrams on a near-empty or empty stomach.
Blame it on Rio, apartment rentals and cell phone rentals....
Dark Knight- I have sent an email to Blame it on Rio about renting an apartement in Rio and have not qotten a reply...It has been about 3 days now...How long does it normally take...? I am looking to take my first trip next month on the 29th...I would like to rent an apartment instead of staying in a hotel. ..What are the rates like for the apartment, and the phone...1 bedroom, mid range, and phone. There are no prices listed on the site.
Rio Bob, where is the apartment with the young ladies?
Man I cannot wait. I have read so much on this forum, and the photos on the escort sites are out of this world...I may not come back..
Peace,
Double
Double,
Same thing happened to me with blame it on rio. No reply. Their loss. If they can't even reply to an e-mail I wonder what kind of service I'll get anyways. Anyone got other recommendaions (please only give tried and tested) they are on my fecal scroll already.
I got an appartment from kenn www.ez-riorentals.com.
No problems at all 4 times I had an appartment from him
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Bobby and Blameitonrio are the biggest flakes and the most unresponsive, irresponsible and unreliable travel agency I have ever, ever encountered.
John Knox,
Weather in June is normally OK, it won't be baking, but you've a fair chance of some sun.
Rio doesn't have 4 seasons as such - it tends to be cooler around winter time, but you can still get hot days.
The 'worst' time is July / August / Sep. It can occasionally get down to around 15 degrees (mid 50s). In 6 years I've never known it to be less than that though.
But always remember - this is a stunningly fertile country, if you stand still for too long something will grow on you! That doesn't happen without plenty of rain - there is no 'dry' season here in Rio, it can rain any time, all year round, the same as you get hot sunny days all year round.
Christmas last year was very wet, as was carnaval - two traditional 'summer' events here.
But don't worry, even if the weather is bad for a couple of days, you will find plenty here to amuse yourself with!
I have rented a phone from Bobby, and that is it. I emailed him once about an apartment, but I wanted to talk to him (us both growing up in the same area of New York), but I never got through to him and just forgot about it. The phone price was relatively fair and the whole process was easy. I hate to say he's a flake, but I guess that's a nice way of putting it. He is certainly making a substantial profit on everyone, but he's good for the noob's that don't speak any Portuguese.
Has anyone been to Cabo Frio? Should I take a girl with me, or can you find them there.
A fun night is to take a girl to the huge Bingo casio in Arprador, pretty cool and the cicks like it.
I am certainly longing for a taste of Rio again, and 28 days just seems to be a long time
I used www.gringomanagement last July/August for eight days and it worked out fine. Bruno (the driver) picked me up and dropped me off at the airport (60 R. each way) in a timely and friendly manner. David (the American owner) talked to me on Bruno´s cell phone upon my arrival in front of the apartment (my first Rio trip). Everything went fine and David is a friendly guy who will gladly give you advice and information in a timely manner via e-mail. (Bruno doesn´t speak English - but no problems with my little bit of Spanish.)
I just made arrangements with David at the beginning of March for my trip this summer. I called him at his New Jersey number before making final plans to get all my questions answered. I don´t feel any anxiety about it due to my previous experiences with him and the recommendations I got before I used him last summer.
I am still in Rio, I have used gringomanagement several times and this time, he is reliable, no problems.
@ nights in a row in Help I take home a girl and both nights they ask for the money upfront. My new policy is no way, I told them both to immediately leave as this is not normal. Other than that life is still good and I am on my way to Barbarellas for something different.
There is a Barraca on the beach in front of the Marriott where the toothless man sells a viagra type from Venezuela, I tried it , works good and its about $3 a pill.
JoshJosh,
Sorry. I made an error in my previous post to you. I was talking about Cialis and NOT Levitra. Cialis is the longer acting form & is MUCH better tolerated.
Sorry about that.
Hey, Admin, how's that for reducing the elipses?
Sal
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I would like to hear if any of you has experience with www.ciaplus.com?
Like others, I have used gringomanagment (David) several times (5). He's been very accomodating, even for one particularly short trip. He's allowed me to keep the room through late departures. The rooms are always clean and adequately appointed (I can never get used to those electric showerheads, though) and the beds never feel like they've been hammered with a wrecking ball. In fact, they've been pretty darn firm.
The first time I went there, Bruno was not his contact person. I meant with an American expat named "Asagai." Apparently from New York (or thereabouts), Asagai was not particularly honest in his dealings with hobbiests, and is no longer working with David. Don't know if Asagai is still around Copa, but he always felt a bit shady to me and I didn't trust him.
All in all, I think I was lucky to get hooked up with him for my first visit. David has been very helpful.
Sal
Hey Guys,
I finally got the Image Resizer working, so I'm gonna post some pics from Carnaval. I don't expect that you fellas will mind TOO much.
Her name is Vanessa, and I will post a few of her.
Feel free to hit me with questions.
More Vanessa,
Vanessa reading the Victoria's Secret catalog I brought her.
Not as racy as you'd like, but Vanessa modeling the VS.
Fernanda and Luana. Generally near Balcony.
Fernanda in bed.
Luana, at the office. An extremely cool chick.
Gettin' clean.
You are cordially invited.
Anyone in rio right now? I would like to know how Help is going? I will be in Rio in 8 days. Also what is the local cambio exchange rate?
Thanks
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I have used Blame it on Rio many times over the past 4 years and they have been great. I also have had many friends use them without any major complaints. I am not trying to imply that there haven't been glitches, but when glitches have occurred they were corrected very quickly. I go down about 10 times a year and use them for my apartment rental every trip.
Everyone on this site has their favorite service providers, so first timers will have to make the best decision they can based on what they read. I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Sorry. Luana, at the office (again)
Rio Bob,
Thanks for the info about the Marriott. How about the registration? You just go to the front desk and ask them to use their facilities?
I`ll be back in Rio in two weeks from now and I want to hit the Marriott beach and maybe do some exercising during my stay.
Thanks,
Rio Lover #2
Dark knight,
One of your pics is missing, but great pics. Makes me want to get back to Brasil.
Kanitha - I have tried Cia plus about two years ago. It worked out fine. Called them, chose the girls and then confirmed when I was at the Motel. This only thing is that the girls I wanted were not available and so I stood with a second choice. Do not know if this a pattern or not. But she was ok and we had a good time. Now, You know, they look hotter in the pics.
Que saudade do Rio!
Rio Lover #2
For the Marriott, tell them downstairs at the reception desk that you want to go upstairs to the pool area/gym and join as a guest then they will let yoou in the elevator as you need a key. At the front desk on the top floor tell them how long you want to join for because daily is 40 reais but it is cheaper to joing for a long time. Tell the man at the fron desk"Sangue bon"he will laugh and help you out, they speak some english.
Last night I ws in Help early before midnight, I spotted a tall dark haired girl very pretty face, we talked and she was touching me in all the right places and I was responding. We went out to the new veranda next store and 2 beautiful young blonds said hello to her. We sat down just me and her and I asked her who the 2 girls were, she said she lived with one. I told her to go get her as I want to have a 3 some with her. When she came over this 18 year old blond my heart stopped and I started to shake, that's how hot she was and so young. We all went back to my place and moved right into action but I was mostly interested in this young blond. I was doing daty with her and the morena was on top of me, then vice versa, we did it so many different ways, I could have daty this loira all night. Both times I climaxed was with the 18 year old while the meorna satisfied herself.
AS A SIDE NOTE THE BLOND TOLD ME THAT THE NIGHT BEFORE SHE SPENT THE WHOLE NIGHT WITH AN iTALIAN GUY WHO PAID HER 800 REAIS. A good looking young guy and they talked and had pizza too with great sex.
I think we should all thank RIO BOB for keeping the HELP girls lubricated when the rest of us aren't there!
Tudo bem to all my mongering brothers. I've been visiting WSG for a good while now, and I want to thank everyone for there positive input. It's provided me with extremely valuable info.
I have a question. Does anyone know who this mysterious blonde is who's always at Help? She's always standing to the far right on the dance floor, and she always seems to be dancing either by herself, or with her girlfriend. She strikes me as anything other than the typical Help girl for she never seems to be actively "looking." And one more thing. she's a beauty. Just curious.
Hi Guys,
I was just in Help last night for the first time. Sat in front drinking beer for an hour and watching the action. Women circle around like sharks trying to pick out their prey for later. Went in after midnight for about 2 hours. You have to buy drink coupons at the cashier desks to get what you want. Cervezas are 3 Reals (a buck).
There were a couple of hundred women in there but I was disappointed by the choices. I would be the first to tell you that I will fuck just about anything that moves, but it wasn´t real great last night.
About half of the women were black and the white ones were 80% dark hair and 20% blonde. I did not see any of the ones whose pictures were posted recently. There were only 2 stunning ones, both of whom were occupied- one was a young blonde stunner who was with a high roller , and the other a caramel haired 18-19 year old who was dancing with the same guy over and over. I got tired of waiting and left. There were several that tried to hit on me and many who walked by and àccidentally`brushed the front of my pants, but they were the ones I would not be caught dead with.
I have talked to many guys who have taken beauties out of there and I think it was just a down night. Many of the girls looked like they had just arrived from the Upper Amazon- very raw, not enough makeup, etc. Not what I expected but I will definitely try again.
Happy hunting!
Rio Bob,
Thanks for your "sangue bon" information, fortunately I speak some portuguese since a couple of years.
I already met the Marriott beach staff a couple of years ago but I did`nt know about the facilities you described.
Are you sill in Rio right now?
Rio Lover #2
Chuponalgas
Your welcome, I am always glad to be of service and I wish everybody could be here to help out as I know how it feels to not be here.
Yes Help has not been stocked with many many beautiful girls but you have to look hard and take one early because the few good ones go fast and the good ones ask for 300 reais, if you dont want to pay the 300 then you can get waht is left over at the end.
Yesterday afternoon I called VIPRJ escort and had Lucianna sent over for an afternoon delight. Mid twenties college student blond, very sweet, we drank champagne and had great sex for 2 hours, she said she might have 2 clients a week and none of her friends know she does it including her boyfriend. After 2 hours with me she was going on a date with her boyfriend, I told her I was happy to warm her up for the night.
I also went to Help again but from what I could see I had done just about every nice girl in the place already from this trip and previous trips so I left alone and sat outside at a hot dog truck enjoying the local delicasies and having fun with the most ugliest girls in the world trying to come home with me, they have heart..
Report - Copamodels - private "flat"
There is a small place that advertises in Oglobo Classificados called CopaModels www.copamodels.com
The adress is Praca serzedelo Correa 27 (just after the Corner Siqueira campos). The entry door (black glass door) is small but can be easily found.
I decided to check this joint at around 2pm. No entry fee. There were 4-5 bored garotas upstairs watching TV in a dark room. All of them were very average, besides one with a nice face but big ass. Price quoted was 80 Reals. I took this one (Luisa, 18 y.o.) and she showed me the rooms. I settled for one room and took a shower.
Sex was quite mechanical until I noticed she enjoyed being slashed on the ass. Unfortunately, she was moaning exagerately, which sounded ridiculous and only interested in making me come ASAP, which I did after something like 5 min. After that, she kindly but firmly let me know it was over.
All in all, a very professional service, only if you are up for a quick fuck.
This is a pity because this place is located right in the middle of copacabana 1 block from the beach.
Latrell
PS: bring 80 reals exactly, because the girl pretend they don't have change for 100, which is really the last straw.
Well I have travelled all over Brazil, in the south all the way to the north, and I will say that Rio de Janeiro is HANDS DOWN the best city for whoring. Really, all the nice looking *****s move to Rio de Janeiro, so there is no point in travelling anywhere else.
I really enjoy Barravips which in my opinion has the best looking girls. The Help girls are not so nice, and I had to kick a few of them out because they had STD near their vagina. The terma girls can be good too, like 4x4.
Rio Short Report.
Things are pretty much the same in Rio. Help was average. The guys and girls are garthering in front about 11PM and enter before midnight. I would not say that the talent is that great. Most were in the 5-6 range and all starting at 350/400 reaies. On Friday Sat and Sun if their were 20 hot numbers that is high.
Place was actually getting pretty empty by 3AM.
I also notice that several of the ladies turn down some of the advances from the older guys they were looking to the model type dudes.
Visited both l'uomo and Monte Carlo. Of the two l'uomo was the better. Talent was friendly and fun. Don't recall the names but did not have a bad pick and for two or three did repeats. Monte Carlo less to pick from and action just less not as many ladies. My choice is l'uomo. I need to get to 4X4.
Did not do much street action. Talent was not there.
Airport. Lines were average on the way in. Getting to the airport early for the return was a mistake. Do the regular 2-3 hours and you will be fine.
Can't wait to get back.
Question: Is Cialis and Viagra avaiable in Rio. Can you do over the counter at pharmacy. Thanks Frank
Strikesfun:
Yep, both Viagra and Cialis are available over the counter. The best price I´ve found for Cialis is appx. R$96 for a box of 4 at Drogo Pacheco (sp?). Haven´t priced Viagra.
All:
Any verification that the work slowdown at the airport is over? I´ll be flying out on Apr. 20, and I sure would like to go there my usual 2hrs ahead instead of 4hrs as recommended by some.
I can second what Strikesfun has said about Terraco Atlantico and Help. The talent level is way down from Jan and Feb, but that´s about what I would expect. I have found a couple of gems, but it takes patience.
I´ve visited 4x4, L´uomo, 65 and Monte Carlo since coming in last week. 4x4 is an old favorite, but I must say, the girls at 65 were pretty hot.
Nvr2L8:
i got four 20 mg cialis for R79 at discuento drogaria: on Rua Siqueira Campos, just before Rua Barata Ribeiro.
the strike continues: i had the early american airlines flight; there were 5 federales working; i was not photographed nor fingerprinted.
i was advised to be at the airport 3hrs prior to departure. only one federale. some in line nearly missed there flights. i had 20 min to spare.
Man am leaving in a couple days for rio, and am saddened to hear about the low quality in Help. I hope it changes by this weekend.
As for pricing, do you think that the girl are still thinking its carnival or since it was only a couple weeks ago that they can get top dollar still?
I am attractive and well built, but if there is not anything hot what the point. I guess I will be Terma surfing.
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Strikesfun says:
"I also notice that several of the ladies turn down some of the advances from the older guys they were looking to the model type dudes. "
Actually I've been to Help the last several nights and yes, there are some younger, very good looking guys in here, mostly Europeans of Nordic origins.
This has always been the case at Help, whether with Italians, Euros or even some Americans. There are younger attractive guys here also willing to part with their money.
So, you're saying that the Help girl will prefer to get her 300 reals from the young guy she finds attractive, rather than her grandpa?
While making the same money (if not more) at the same time?
Why, that's just shocking, SHOCKING, I tell you!
There should be a global prostitution commission regulating such outrageous and unacceptable behavior.
Yes, it's a good time to be a piranha in Rio, even in the offseason.
But 99% of them are hardcore, overpriced bitches now. Many are still there that I would see 5 years ago!
Didn't use to be that way.
i returned today after 9 days;
briefly:
Help has taken over the Piano Bar Restaurant that is above Terraca Atlantica, and next door to Help. Help now has two dance floors: the hip hop, samba disco, techno on the old floor, and disco & 80's, on the new floor. access to the balcony is through the new floor. R28 entrance.
i visited Cabo Frio on this trip. Cabo Frio is a small town that is more geared towards the locals, hence it's considerably less expensive then Buzios. the beaches are more family orriented, and just as nice as Buzios. food, and drink are readily available on the beach. as are lounge chairs and umbrellas. all reasonably priced. also not too many venders hawking on the beach. from my perspective, cabo Frio has a small nite life. Two clubs: eleven and chopp show, which i was unable to visit. unless you speak portuguese, i'd recommend bringing company with you.
costs:
R16 by bus from Rio, R5 more if you want a bus with A/C. the bus trip takes 2.5-3hrs from Rio. i found a van & driver in Rio, who charged R200 to take four of us there. Finding a pusada was difficult upon arrival. we asked many locals, but none could direct us to any. i finally found a dumpy pousada for R25/per person.
Next day i located a much better pousada that charged R95/nite for the four of us.
This past Sunday I was in Rio, it was a cloudy day so I went to do my last minute shopping at Rio Sul. Wow this place was stocked with many beautiful women, I didn't make any attempts as it was my last night in Rio and had no time to risk wasting my time on a nice girl. I went back to my apartment and called several escort agencies and some were closed on Sunday, I got through to VIP RJ again http://www.viprj.com.br/ I told the lady on the phone that Im not fooling around, she remembered me from the previous week as they had sent me another girl and that glrl was very nice. I told her I want another one and I want the best that she has. She made a couple of phone calls to see who was available and then I chose Sandra Ricci who actually works as a model and on TV (so they say). She will be over in an hour for the 2 hour session.
She arrives she is very beautiful, strawberry blond hair, tall thin, great body nice large breasts, very classy. She takes a seat on my coach and I crack open a bottle of french champagne and have a nice conversation just to put her at ease and warm her up as I could see initally she was a little nervous. We drink the champagne and have a nice conversation and become friends, the champagne is finished and she asks me to show her the apartment, well there is only one other room the bedroom.
This was the hottest sex with the most beautiful woman I have ever had in a long time, she was extremely skilled, she was very in to it and after the champagne was gone we started drinking Frangelico, we were both feeling no pain. This total experience far exceded my original expectations. Well the 2 hours that she was supposed to stay was close to 4 now. Then we went out to dinner in Ipanema one of the best restaurants. She is very intelligent and great fun, she told me that one guy during Carnival week paid $8000 dollars for her full time company. This girl is not for the Villa Mamosa customer. After dinner we got in a cab and she said she was going home, she told the taxi driver to drop me off at my apartment, I told him to drop me off at Help, she decided to come in with me, we danced, hung out a while and eventually she left. I picked up another garota in Help, very tiny, long black hair and white skin, she was with her sister and I asked if her sister wanted to join us but the sister felt funny in front of her sister. It didn't matter much as I had a full day already. I took this little garota back to my apartment and again sweet, nice, real gfe as was the above escort. This new one spent the night, I finished the job the next after noon at 12 then caught my taxi to the airport at 3:30.
One night I went into the Marriott to have dinner and eventually 2 women sit next to me at the bar. We start chatting and I can see that they are programmas, I was surprised that the Marriott would let them into the bar/restaurant area, I guess they must be servicing the manager. Well the one wasn't my type and the other was pretty nice but it was early in the evening so I wasn't going to stop the show just yet. I did ask them if they go to Help and why aren't they their tonight, they told me that the guys don't want to pay the 300 reais, I had heard that from many of the girls, I guess thats why the quality has been down in Help as the nicer girls don't feel its worth going there for 150 reais which they told me alot of guys offer. I went to Barbarellas that night and was approached by 2 beautiful 19 year old blonds that said they would perform daty on each other, they were both nice but one was a little nicer than the others, overall the girls per capita were at a much higher level of quality than Help They wanted the same 300 reais too. Most of these girls won't go to Help because they say the people in Help are poor(sure they don't want to pay the 300 reais). I spoke to one guy and he told me he only offers 100 reais in Help, most nights I seen him alone and his friend too because they won't pay more based upon principle.
This was just my observation, thats why I used the escort services more this time as I don't think that the higher level girls are not going to Help anymore as they can't make the money they feel they deserve.
It is my mission in life to get to Rio in September this year. I've heard conflicting reports on the weather and environment, but can anyone comment on Labor Day in Rio? Sept 1-8th.
I am going crazy reading all these posts and seeing these beautiful women - I can hardly contain myself. I am going to be such a beast in Rio I can't even comment. I know I will be reading the entire 2004 forum another two times before I get over there, just so I don't miss anything.
Kudos to you all!
Riobob,
Fact is most girls at Help always start at 300 reals and the hotter ones get it. 250 can be negotiated without too much of a hassle, and sometimes, sometimes I think you can get 200, but she won't be much to look at (those tend to be the best in the sack though)
any girl hanging out at JWMArriott can quickly figure out that the guy who can afford to stay there, won't blink twice at paying her say 50 bucks more for her company.
Barbarella, of course, is a businessman/gringo clip joint. Of course, the girls tend to be more attractive.
as to making money they deserve. well, "deserve" is a difficult word. Help girls make as much, often more than a mid level manager at a Brazilian bank.
Maybe those managers "deserve" more money as well.
It's really all about supply and demand. The moment one of those girls who can't get a RioBob to pay her what she feels she "deserves", she's at Help the next evening, especially if her rent is due.
p.s. what the Barbarella girl won't tell you is that you are adding another 100 reals in your entrance/drink fee and her exit/drink fee just to enable her to leave. So your 300 real girl is really a 400 real girl, for starters.
p.p.s. I have seen extensive books of one agency, courtesy of a Portuguese speaking friend who made the call for a guy to come over. Prices went from a low of 400 reals to a high of 1200 reals (this was when they were 1 to 1, so we are talking dollar prices here actually). Yes, they make the claims many are models, tv personalities, etc and who knows, it could be true. There is no denying their stunning beauty. Their performance in bed though, could be a different thing altogether.
Well Help prices have gone up because there are many men who come for short vacations willing to pay anything.
I know one American fellow from Texas and he (for some reason) always pays his women 800 reais per night. He says that it makes the girl treat him more special, and make them want him more than other men.
Well obviously this is a dumb fantasy he is trying to create, but as long as there are men like this (and there are many many Americans paying these prices for what I consider Amazon-quality pussy), well prices will go up and up. It is getting to the point where it is cheaper to fuck a beautiful Eastern European model-like blonde in Russia than an ugly mulata at Help!
It all depends on the time of year you go. I always go in the offseason and have NEVER paid a girl from Meia Petaca or Help more than R100 + R20 cab fare! I also speak enough Portuguese to communicate pretty well. They tell me in the high season, or for the ones who don't know better, or both, they get R250.
Catire
Barbarella has a 50 reais cover charge and you get 2 drinks for that. That comes out to about $8.50 a drink yes by Rio standards very expensive but if you just sit there and not leave with the girl not a bad price to enjoy the show for an hour. The other 50 reais you are talking about is the fee for the girl, yes Barbarella's is in business to make money so that is an extra $17 that you pay them so they can cover their overhead and make a profit, sounds fair to me. The 300 reais goes to the girl, that is her price that is what she is making. Help is 28 reais to get in (covercharge) and if you buy 2 drinks that is 14 reais more for a total of 42 reais only 8 reais less and you get no go go dancers and show. In Help if you leave with a nice quality girl similar to Barbarellas than Barbarellas cost you 58 reais more than Help for the same amount of product. That comes out to $20 dollars more, doesn't sound like much of a big rip off to me especially when most of these girls are very nice compared to Help. Plus I think a girl from Barbarellas is less likely to cause you problems since she is less of a freelancer.
A mid level bank manager may have a career for maybe 40 years, a good pro may be able to push it for 12 - 14 years but during the later years she will get a declining salary as the offers and amount will be much less. Plus don't think its such an easy job, ever see some of the grandpas they have to service? I don't think its that easy, sure for the young stud she has no problem, its fun but what happens if she is repulsed with a fat old drunk.
Yes the smart ones will negotiate, most asked for 300 and took 200 rather easily, some won't even throw a number at you, they will just say, you tell me how much do you want to pay. In my last trip I do not think I paid 300 reais for a Help girl, most I paid for all was 200 except for one girl who says she wants to marry me and I know her for 7 years gave me a hard time to get her down to 250 reais. I told her thats cheap because if I married you it would end up costing me more and I would get less sex.
The girls at the Marriott weren't getting too lucky as I was their 3rd attempt, I watched them and most of the men who stay at the Marriott while they may indulge they are mostly business men not professional mongers. Most professional mongers stay in apartments or one of the 3 star hotels near Help.
Rio Bob
(please don't take this as a flame, I'm just having some fun and I respect the fact that everyone has a right to their own tastes)
anyways...
Which part of the Barbarella show did you like? When the same old samba queens come out? or when the "lady" with the neck of a linebacker comes out and does "its" lip sync singalong?
Actually you can get it in a samba costum later as well!
or do you like the husband and wife team doing the Brazilian version of what looks to be a bad polka?
Having been there many a times I can tell you that the atmosphere in there is poisonus. If you can understand Portuguese and keep a low profile you will quickly learn how the mindset there works. It's ALL about the money and that is all the girls talk about. They will immediately tag you as a payer or a non payer, etc.
Before you tell me that is the normal nature of the business, I will tell you that' not quite so. Besides., perhaps the better question is what kind of sex you will get.
Do you want it from some self styled beauty queen who will "let you" stick your dick in her for 40 minutes and get a covered blowjob? Or do you want some fresher girl in a different medium who will suck it like there is no tomorrow and fuck your brains out and be thrilled to do it for half price.
I suppose it comes down to this:
What's important to you?
a) the face you fuck?
or
b) the fuck you face?
personally I like to err on the side of the latter.
p.s due to massive American influx especially in offseason over last 4 years, the attitude at Help isn't all that far removed now from what you find at Barbarella.
And like I said, it wasn't always this way.
Catire
All I know is that I had a great time no matter what is going on beneath the covers. As far as Im concerned you get alot of bang for the buck in Rio. I know what I am to them and I know what they are to me. Its all very straight forward and that is why I like it.
Not to be controvertial, but i had also a good time in Barbarella each time i've been there : friendly attitudes, often good music with garotas podium's dancing on the current Brasilian's top hits, less drunken low class gringoes, level WAY above the average Help mulatas, some interesting 'new talents in town' to party with or even just to have conversations with (many from Belo H and other Minas towns), confortable seats to chat or to watch the 'shows', ect ....
This being a pros-spot, i don't consider the atmosphere there worse than in any other pros-spot in Rio (which anyway has the baddest scene of Brasil IMO), surely more pricey, but ...
I tried to take a picture of this tall, blond chick inside Luomo, but she refused saying that one guy took her picture before and put it in some webside named vegabunda.com or vagabunda.com. Any of you guys familiar with this website or know the exact URL? She also hangs out at Help after work, and she's got me really curious.
Thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents worth.....
If the first thing a Help girl mentions is time/money...walk away.
If she says 350R/300R.....walk away.
If she doesn't agree to your request of TLN....walk away.
Help is a BUYERS market, don't let the garotas turn it around on US !!
Even if you have a limited "game" use it to the max. I have pulled dozens of girls out of Help in the last 4 years. The WORST experience was the girl who stated time and money up front. Get the attention of the one you want, try and talk to her (learn some lingo), buy her a drink, dance with her, then pull her outa there, done deal !! Give her 150R/200R in the morning, rest and repeat the next night.
Better yet, get to know some of the girls at the Termas. Get some chemistry going and get her number. I've hooked up with alot of these girls outside of the Termas for the cost of dinner/drinks or nothing at all. Does anyone remember "Deborah" from Monte Carlo??? She was hotter than hell and I was hittin' it for free every time I was in Rio right up until she left to get married. I'm currently "dating" a knockout from Centauras that gives me all I
can handle for the cost of "dating", no cash. Try this angle then just go cherry picking in Help.....reduces the temtation to overpay, IMHO. BTW, I'm no European, model dude....you just have to work it and don't give in to these demanding Garotas.
Life is good
I am thinking of going back to Rio in August. Personally, I'm fond of the offseason, fewer crowds of other tourists and mongers and lower prices suit me fine. Perhaps Help isn't packed, but always it has plenty of women, and while 90% might be below my standards (at least before a couple of beers), it seems like there's always at least one good-looking garota for me to take home. I've never been to the termas, and I know I should go, but I've always had such good, easy pickings at Help.
But in the last few months, I've read so many reports saying Help is more and more not what it used to be.
Distressing!!!
To me it seems like the majority of my dear colleagues keep their mongering to Rio. Mainly to Copacabana. The overpriced Help and Meia Pataca with worn-out ladys.
I think this is a shame thinking of the size of Brazil and what it has to offer in the sex-scene.
It might be comfortable for the tourist who comes to Brazil for a short time to spend his holiday in Copacabana. But certainly he´s missing the best of Brazil.
Rio certainly has a lot to offer. But personally I think Copabana is nothing more than a tourist trap.
Cheers
Sperto, can't be more true ....
Cheers
Sperto/PRo/All: Any interesting places accessible by car or bus from Rio? I want to take a 5 day car trip from Rio. I understand Buzios is pretty, but no action. Would like to rent a car and drive the coast south down to S.P. Any suggestions?
This is my first post guys. Thanks for the brilliant information in this forum.
To add to RXHammer's comments I think he is right. There are several ways to approach Help in terms of picking up garotas. But as he said it is firstly a buyers market in there and so easy to get what you want or close to it. One should go in relax, let the caiphirinha take over and never, never pay more than 200 real. You can always tell the ones you are going to have a good time with. They usually spend time with you and chat, dance etc.
A story that you need to know is that my landlord took me to a samba school back in September and afterwards we went to the Balcony Bar at around 0230. It wasn't that good in there so I suggested we go to Help. He said OK, but advised that if we went in it would cost 25real for entrance, I'd probably spend another 100reals on drinks and then up to 200 reals for the girl. Making a grand total of 325 reals.
Because we were going there later than usual we got to Help and he preceeded to talk to a couple of girls (blonde 7 & dark haired girl 7) waiting outside the club in Portuguese. After a short conversaton he turned to me and asked me which one I wanted and that it would cost me 40 reals. I could not believe it. He then said it was so cheap because he was a local. And folks that is the story. Most of the girls only charge those ridiculous amounts because they want to get their money back from entrance and drinks. A previous poster (please excuse my memory) rightly stated that just because the girls are in Help they expect to get paid 300reals. No way would I pay that. Furthermore my landlord advised me to pay the 40real and not a penny more because it would make it dearer for everyone else in the long run.
So please fellow mongerers please bargain as hard as possible, it doesn't matter whether you are in Help or anywhere else. Pay low and keep the prices down.
I plan to go to Rio and several other cities this Christmas and I can't wait. Sure it will be packed with a lot more tourists but I expect there to be a lot more amateurs at that time. Can anyone confirm this to me and what else to expect over christmas and new year in terms of girls and stuff? I can't wait!
Thanks once again for all the great info and intelligent discussion on this forum and to Jackson (we are not worthy) for creating this great site.
Super Sir
Super Sir,
Remember, during the holidays the termas will close for a few days and many of the regular girls will be leaving/spending time with family and will be unavailable. Prices for apartments/hotels are higher combined with increased number of tourist. That said, there is still plenty of action available. Stick to low price offer for services cause the garotas will try and pump up the price on you for sure.
I was in Rio over Christmas/New years 2002. The only real pain in the ass was the termas closing cause I like that type of action.
Hope this helps.
The Hammer
Chuponalgas, i could suggest Juiz de Fora ; you'll find a report in the archives section. The road from Rio is very pleasant and the city is lively and nice, with lot of action.
Cheers
Super Sir
It may be your first post, but it was a beauty. So I'll second that: To my mongering brothers, bargain your asses off!
I sincerely believe that the girls will not only like you, and have more respect you, but you'll keep the prices down for a po ass mofo like myself. If the girls won't come down to your 150 to 200reals, I'd say fuck'em. But you know what? I think if the girl likes you, she'll meet your price.
This is what works for me: "cuanto coista?" 300reals "Ah, voce muito bonita, mas Eu sao tengo 150reals." All the while smiling, complimenting, and basically ingratiating myself on her ass. Eventually, she comes around to my price, and we end up having a great time. If she doesn't, the worst I've done is made myself a friend.
So guys, I would say never go over 200reals. Last June I was pullin some serious 10s for a 150reals! If you guys keep paying these crazy prices, by next year 400reals will be the average price.
The Rio Kid
Super Sir
Could you tell us for how much time your 40 reais got you with your temporary girlfriend? I am curious. What you said seems like very good advice in general.
Ferolga
Thanks for the Info Hammer, I wish I was there now. Its good to think there are like minded people like you out there Rio Kid.
To answer your question Ferolga I think I was with her about 2 hours and I now your going to pull me up on this but this happened towards the end of my holiday and I was so tired all I could do was use the opportunity to practice my Portuguese. I know, I know I should have made her earn those reals. But I was really shagged and I left the viagra back at my apartment. So I got her to take her shoes off to give me a barefoot massage while I lie on the bed.
My landlord was in the other room. I don't think I mentioned it before but we took the girls to a motel just off the Avenida Nossa Senhora, the Copacabana Palace end, (sorry guys but I will start to take detailed notes of where I go next time) of which there are quite a few and the rooms came to about 30 reals each.
You know how it goes fellow mongerers, I always use a motel and never bring these ladies back to my apartment just in case things get tricky then nobody knows where you are staying. This was on the advice of my landlord. Three trips later and I have never had any trouble. After my landlord finished making her scream
I will start recalling my adventures in more detail in later posts. Lets keep communicating guys this is really, collaborative, powerful stuff.
Super Sir
Super Sir
Thank you for the info. I usually don't let them stay the night. Unless I know them and really like them. So, I understand the two hour session. That's a pretty good deal.
Cheerio,
Ferolga
Garota Prices
When I was in Rio 6 years ago, all the girls I met, whether in a Boite or in Help, started at around R100/night. Well, now they want R200 to R300. What a surprise! That's about the same as the difference in the exchange rate, but keep in mind that their their cost of living has not doubled or tripled. They don't depend on expensive foreign resources to do business, so why the jump in rates? Because foreigners are suckers. Get smart and start bargaining them down. Everything else there is a better bargain than 6 years ago, so why not the women?
I've seen Ghetto-type Americans in Barbarella throwing money on the stage like it was monopoly money, throwing it in the air and letting it flutter all over the floor and then watching the girls scramble to pick it up. How embarassing! I can only imagine what those suckers spent on girls in there.
Friday I depart yet again for the promised land, Rio de Janeiro. I can be found at terraco atlantico every night with a bottle of (cheap) Brasilian champagne at my table, I have a short Marine haircut and this will be my 10th time in 4 years, so if any new guys want some info, please stop by my table.
Heya fellas:
Just posted something a little off-beat in the Sao Paulo section. Check it out.
JW
What hotels are chica friendly in Rio, what are the rates and do they charge to bring chica in the room?
JWadd,
I'm always finding some girl I fucked; either on a porno box cover, or some "Rio" website.
If you've been around Help, or Meia Pataca on a somewhat frequent basis, I'm sure you guys have seen "Lebara." She's the one in the middle. http://www.lebarabrazil.com/. Seems she has a website named after her.
She's also a stone-cold freak. One of the best fucks I've ever had. She wanted me to call her a *****, slap that prominent ass, pull her by her hair, and do all kinda other shit you ain't never heard of!
The Rio Kid
Royal Flush,
Don’t worry too much about the Garota Pricing, its all still intact!
I just returned from my third trip to Rio and NEVER paid more than
R$150. More than half of the time I paid only R$100 and I’m VERY picky. I typically only like very attractive girls with solid hard-bodies.
Granted, I did run into some other guys down there who were way over-paying.
However, this shouldn’t effect you if you play the game right.
If you stick to your guns during the initial negotiations, and in doing so let them know that YOU know what the scene is and YOU know the general price.
The trick is to treat the girls well and have fun with them, and they were always willing to go for almost whatever I offered, and then repeat at later times for even less. (If money was even mentioned at all).
I am not fluent in Portuguese by any means, but I can get by and carry on a basic conversation, entertain the girls, make them laugh a bit, and it goes a long way towards how they treat you.
Finally, I was with a buddy on this latest trip and he couldn’t speak a word of Portuguese, so I had to handle all of his negotiations, but he too never paid more than R$150.
I will post more details of some of the girls and prices later.
Throwing money into the air and watching the girls scramble to pick it up???
That is disgusting behavior beyond belief. People like that need to get taken to the favelas and shot in my opinion.
Just because you are rich does not mean you should treat Brazilians like they are garbage without dignity. It made me sick to hear that.
Big Poppa, re: girl friendly hotels. See my reply to you in the Rio Hotels section.
Rio Nut,
Ease up on the hyperbole. Please.
As some of you may have heard, there's an HIV scare going on in the porn industry because of an actor who is said to have gotten the virus in Rio. Apparently, it's the first time in 5 years that a porn actor has tested HIV-positive. Here's an article about it:
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=80694
I'd take that article with a grain of salt though, it says 20/20 found that "96% of prostitutes tested in Brazil were HIV-positive". Where did these guys test? in the AIDS ward of a local hospital?
HIV is certainly out there in the hooker population, but 96% ?! That seems like a scare tactic statistic to me.
If you want do find more details about this, just do a search on "james darren hiv" for more articles.
Yes the porn actor is Darren James and he is a black man who does a lot of porn. I have people who work in porn valley in Southern Salifornia and they say rumor has it that he has already infected several other actors already.
He himself was infected in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil when he hired prostitutes from the termas (unknown which ones) to have sex with him as part of an orgy between he, his buddies, and the brazilian girls. It was not part of the filming.
it is unclear whether the girls he filmed with were also HIV + although many of them work in the termas as well.
96% is much too high, but i would say 20-30% is about right, especially for the hard core prostitutes. They may use condoms in the termas, but most of these girls will not use one if you pay them enough or if they are off work.
Royalflush - what do you mean by "Ghetto-type Americans"? (your post on April 12)
I guess that's a racist way to say black Americans. You're wrong - "ghetto-type" Americans don't have passports, and don't do international travel. They rarely leave the neighborhood. What you saw in Barbarella were upper-class black American travelers acting a little rowdy in a club. When white Americans act rowdy in a foreign city, what do you call them?
I wonder why so many U.S. bigots are posting in the Brazil forum? I've been watching the comments here for years, and it never ceases to amaze me.
So it seems all the world is blaming Brasil for this porno guy's HIV. I guess it's possible, however, it's easy to put the blame on another country. It is no easy feat for a man to contract HIV from a woman, although it is possible.
I too had that girl from www.lebarabrazil.com. I met her in Monte Carlo a couple of years ago, and she is certainly a freak. She "forced me" to have anal sex with her, and although she keeps her legs a little hairy, she is definately an experience. I have a game I like to play called 6 degrees of garrota separation with my friends in Rio and it is amazing how many girls we all share. So keep yourselves clean for each and everyone of us, becuase as sick as this might sound, we are basically having sex with each other. Ha!
Hulk, Rastaman:
There have long been porn-industry rumours that Rio is "the wild west" with regard to HIV risks. Ever since John "Buttman" Stagliano revealed his HIV + status. A quote from Talking Blue follows:
"Stagliano eventually began easing away from his Buttman flicks, instead relying on Evil Angel's new crop of filmmakers to bring home his cash. He still shot the occasional hardcore feature, but seemed more content to rest on his laurels than to keep cranking out features. John shocked the porno industry in early 1997 with his admission that he had tested HIV positive.
Stagliano had long been a practicing bisexual, which was an open secret in the industry. He says that he caught HIV from a transsexual hooker during Carnival in Rio during a particularly poorly thought out evening of debauchery. He immediately went public with his condition and quit working in front of the camera. After a hiatus during which John engaged in some serious soul searching, he's now back behind the camera -- as well as in front of it. In the recent 'Buttman Confidential,' he talks all about his bisexuality and how he attained the HIV virus. Plans are currently afoot to pair John up with fellow HIV-positive porner Tricia Devereaux for the first ever all-HIV sex scene.
Whatever the future holds for John Stagliano, we wish him nothing but the best. He promises to battle his disease to the utmost while continuing to be one of porn's most visible practitioners. His legions of fans and imitators worldwide insure that regardless of what happens, John Stagliano's influence over hardcore will never wane."
end of quote.
The message should be clear: no barebacking, no DATY, etc. For folks who aren't afmiliar with Buttman's work, you can PM me, and I'll send some photos to you. You will recognize some of the girls from Meia Pataca and Help. My guess is that Buttman does much of his work in Rio to circumvent the porn industry's pretty rigorous HIV testing program.
The proverbial "devil you know".
Hulk,
Three little words - Receptive Gay Sex - probably explain what happened to James Darren in Brazil. I also wouldn't rule out something of an intravenous nature. Do you remember John Stagliano, the famous Buttman porn director? He contracted hiv a few years back in Brazil from being buttfucked by a transexual - admitted it himself. He's still around making films - direction only - but has what looks like some Kaposi Sarcoma on his chest. Sad story, but he does make some fine films.
Rastaman,
This clipped from avn.com (adult video news)
Few details are known as of yet, but Darren James is believed to have contracted the virus during a trip to Brazil in March. AIM’s Dr. Sharon Mitchell estimates that James contracted the virus on March 10, while having unprotected anal sex with a Brazilian woman.
As noted previously, the chances of a man catching the HIV virus from a woman are very low, less than one percent. While in Rio de Janeiro, James was bitten by a spider that sources described as “extremely poisonous.” Mitchell admitted that the spider bite may have lowered James’ immune system, allowing the virus to spread easier, but stressed that it was simply conjecture at this point.
It is not known if James engaged in high-risk behaviors such as unprotected anal sex with men or sharing needles during drug use.
James is known to have been tested almost religiously every three weeks. His last two tests were on Feb. 25 and March 17 of 2004. Both tests were negative. On April James tested approximately every three weeks without fail. He tested on Feb. 25 and again on March 17, receiving negative results both times.
Apparently James went on to infect an 18 year old female porn-star while performing a "double anal" scene. What a life.
Was this part of a movie shoot or not? The part I don't understand is how would they know he got it from anal sex? How many of us have fucked a woman in the ass first? I would presume that he fucked her straight first. Why couldn't it have happened then? The risk for an anal top according to the below site ( San Francisco Dept of Health) is 3 in 10,000.
http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/sfcityclinic/stdbasics/stdchart.asp
BTW, that 96% was just the interviewee's recollection, that was not a quote from 20/20.
If you've ever seen a Brazilian porn, you know they always use condoms, so that should tell you the story right there. And I don't buy that he MUST have had receptive gay sex. Wake up.
Second, I thought the termas girls got tested regularly.
Holy shit, this is scary. I 'm supposed to be down there next month.
Protect yourselves boys.
Re: Buttman's Rio Carnival
Please refer to attached pic. The garota in the black shorts (Daniela, from Minas) can usually be found at Meia Pataca, and some evenings at Help.
She isn't the hottest model on the block, but judging by the movie, she is an enthusiatic performer.
She double teams a Brazilian guy, and does a vigorous anal, topped by a facial. Apparently, she also loves to eat a guy's butt. Not my scene, but I'd guess that some of you may dig that.
Don't know about y'all, but I'd be extermely concerned if I KNOW a garota has been active with a HIV+ guy, condom or not.
Miminus, as this particular flick proves, condom use is hit-or-miss, even for anal scenes.
This guy had a detectable level of HIV antibody in his system just over 30 days from the act that led to his infection ??? And, he contracted the virus from a woman while performing anal sex on her ????? I work in healthcare and while I don't know all about everything I would say that the two events appear highly suspect. Especially if his immune system was weakened by a spider bite....how did it respond so quickly to produce the antibodies to HIV and thus give the positive test result ?? More facts about his history are needed before conclusions can be drawn...
The termas girls are tested regularly but the delay in the appearence of antibodies (what the test looks for) is the problem. As we all know, negative test can still mean a person has the virus to some extent. Protect yourself and pick your partners carefully is the best you can do.
The Hammer
please forgive the very long post:
april 17, 2004
h.i.v. cases shut down pornography film industry
by nick madigan
los angeles, april 16 — the nation's multibillion-dollar pornographic film industry virtually shut itself down this week after producers learned that at least two of its actors had been infected with the virus that causes aids.
most of the major companies in the adult-movie industry, which turns out about 4,000 films and videos a year, agreed to halt filming for 60 days so that any of the performers who worked with the infected actors could be tested and re-tested for exposure to the virus, h.i.v.
darren james, the first of the two performers known to have been infected, may have contracted the virus while shooting a film in brazil, friends and associates said, and passed it on to at least one of the 12 actresses he worked with in los angeles after his return.
"that was kind of a downer," said jill kelly, a producer whose production house, which is named after her, normally turns out eight films a month. "people think this is something that happens all the time in this industry, but it really doesn't."
mr. james appears to have infected a canadian actress who is new to the business and goes by the stage name lara roxx, industry leaders said. about 65 performers have been identified as having had sex with either of the two actors or with someone else who did. all are being tested.
on friday, preliminary test results on a second actress who worked with mr. james raised fears that she too might have contracted h.i.v., ms. kelly said.
the last recorded h.i.v. infections in the pornography business here were in 1999.
"it hurts everyone's pocket, but we're talking about people's lives," ms. kelly said of the shutdown, which was initiated not by public health authorities but by the industry itself.
leaders of the industry said the moratorium indicated the seriousness with which they handled health issues.
about 1,200 performers in the adult film industry are tested once a month for h.i.v., chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis. most tests are done at the adult industry medical health care foundation's offices in the san fernando valley, where the adult-movie industry is centered, and performers must present evidence of test results to producers before filming.
"they realize this is an occupational hazard," said sharon mitchell, a former adult-film actress who earned a master's degree in public health and a ph.d. in human sexuality before co-founding the medical foundation here. although some production companies require actors to use condoms, she said, most do not.
"films are picked up for distribution faster if the actors are not wearing condoms, and the talent earns more money for not wearing condoms," ms. mitchell said.
the speed with which the infections were found illustrates "the system did exactly what it's supposed to do," she said.
although the san fernando valley pornography industry is believed to generate up to $9 billion a year, most of its productions are turned out by just a few dozen companies and producers. in that relatively insular environment, there are not many degrees of separation between most actors.
jessica drake, an actress in her mid-20's who is under contract to wicked pictures to star in at least seven films a year, said that in her four years in the business she had never worked with a male partner who was not wearing a condom. she said she had been tested for sexually transmitted diseases every month.
"we have a horrible situation on our hands right now," ms. drake, a native of san antonio, said on friday. "because of the testing we have right now, i feel it's as close to being contained as possible, but on the off-chance that it isn't, we don't want to put anyone else at risk."
ms. drake, who began her career as a stripper while attending college, said the pornography business suffered from misconceptions. "contrary to what people outside the industry might think," she said, "we really do watch out for one another."
a friend of mr. james who went to his home on thursday found the actor's wallet, cellphone and car but no sign of him, said jim south, an agent who has guided the careers of actors and models in the business for 31 years. "no one's seen him since monday," mr. south said. "we can't find him. we are all very, very concerned about this."
alicia herring, a staff member at the medical foundation, said mr. james's infection went undetected when he was tested on march 17, the day he returned from brazil. "he tested too soon," she said. "when he was tested again on april 12, the result was positive for h.i.v."
skeeter kerkove, a director and producer of pornographic films who has worked with mr. james several times, said the actor's infection was "just catastrophic" and called him "a total gentleman."
mr. kerkove, who estimated that he had made 120 films in the last two years, said on friday that he had canceled five movies he had planned to shoot in the next eight days, and would not plan any others "until i get the go-ahead" from the medical foundation.
of the 40,000 sex scenes mr. kerkove said he had filmed in the last five years, none has resulted in an h.i.v. infection, he said. his wife, bridgette kerkove, who has performed in more than 1,000 adult films, he said, is so careful that she has never been infected with a sexually transmitted disease.
mr. kerkove said he had been offered a chance to make an adult film in brazil earlier this year but turned it down after the brazilian agent could not guarantee that medical tests on actors would be genuine.
tim connelly, publisher of the pornographic industry trade publication adult video news, said 100 to 200 film and video producers would meet next week to discuss the ramifications of the actors' quarantine.
"americans think aids is a fad, like disco, and that it's over," said mr. connelly, who began his career in new york 27 years ago doing live sex shows in times square. "it's not a fad. it's here, and we're aware of it in the adult entertainment industry. if you're careful every day, it's not life and death any more than if you're careful with a handgun."
Minimus, about your question about Terma girls getting tested, you are right. They are tested every month. However, there are many types of tests.
Now, please let me preface the following by saying that I am NOT a doctor, but I am a serious monger. There is a catch to the test. The HIV test used by the porn industry is called PCR-DNA and is supposed to catch the virus within 1 month of exposure. The most common HIV test out there is called ELISA. The ELISA test is supposed to only be able to catch the virus within 3 to 6 months of infection.
If you go to your neighborhood AIDS clinic, chances are you will get the ELISA test because it is cheaper to perform. I live in a major metropolitan area of the US (4 million people +) and I could not find a single clinic performing the superior PCR-DNA test. Since I have barebacked (very, very rarely) a handful of working girls, I like to test somewhat often. The only way I can get the PCR-DNA test is to use the same organization used by the porn industry (AIM). The great thing is that they have agreements with collection clinics all over the country. A clinic will draw your blood and FedEx it to AIM in LA and then you get the results in a few days.
I've used that method for the last couple years. So, AIM has me in their database as a porn performer ;)
My guess is that the Termas used the more common and cheaper ELISA test, which means a Terma girl could be infected for 6 months before she showed as positive. That might explain the theory posted by another monger that the HIV-positive porn actor might have been infected by a Terma girl even if she was tested regularly, but with an inferior test. It's a possible explanation, but there is probably no way to know for sure.
Rio D.
Having just recently returned from Rio, I would highly quarrel with your representation of all the brothas there as upper class.
Some were. Others were clearly not.
There were some kids running around Help who looked like they were "representing" at an inner city gang summit.
Upper class my ass.
That said, I can't say the the brothas acted any more idiotically or arrogantly than most idiot Americans. Actually, I'd have to say the brothas were LESS so (the ugly arrogant American idiot).
I also had a negative experience at Barbarella with a table of brothas up front. They were actually quite cool, but insisted on standing up when the DJ was playing hip hop and the girls on stage dancing. By the virtue of standing up, they blocked the views of everyone sitting behind their table. A sin yes, but not a huge one.
The biggest problem is probably how deeply they get into their rap star video fantasies. There are bottles of Cristal, (cuz it's gotta be Cristal, right?) on all their tables, and they definitely pay TOP DOLLAR. If some of them actually did the money throwing deal at Barbarella, that would be real lame - a super ugly extension of the I am a PIMP - rap star act.
After blowing huge amounts of money in Rio, they're tapped out so they have to save up for the next 6 months or so, and not do much at home until their next trip.
But I know plenty of white guys that do the same thing.
I've never been to Rio but I was planning it for this Autumn.
Just have been a little put off by the whole Porno Industry AIDS scare thing. In some of the articles they claim that 96% of providers in Rio have Aids. I know this is typical media BS, but what is the normal feeling out there? Are the Garotas high risk or not.
Peter
They are very high risk for herpes, genital warts, molluscum, I have caught molluscum on various occasions from Brazilian prostitutes in Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, but had them burned off at the local clinic. They have not come back.
I think low risk for HIV, as long as you wear a condom and do not do anything crazy.
I always wear condom, but that did not stop my testicle area from getting a bunch of molluscum blisters a couple times over the past few years. I was scared it was herpes but it turned out not to be thank god.
Catire,
Your comments (intentionally or not) have a certain subtext that many African Americans would view as racist.
When you say things like "rap star fantasies", the implication is that these guys are monolithic. I see a broad range of black guys in Rio. Realistically, I think WM spend FAR more in strip joints than BM do.
Seeing some black guys together all wearing jerseys and jewelry makes them no more of a 'gang' than seeing a group of white guys all wearing golf shirts. Just different. Let's celebrate our differences.
On a different (and hopefully more significant) note:
Hulk: you are barebacking (albeit rarely) with a "handful" of working girls?? Man, what are you doing? I can't EVER see the short-term carnal pleasure being worth that risk. Guys, bag it up. Always. If you have to go bareback to have serious fun, then you're probably not being imaginative enough.
Be safe out there. These Rio girls are seeing countless tourist men, plus an untold number of locals.
I really fucking hate anti-Americanism. Sorry that Bush is such a fucking numb-nut, but try not to forget that the free world owes about half of what's good to the States.
I've traveled through about 40 counties, and the way I figure it the whole fucking human race is working out what it means to be human for the next couple hundred years through the States. Like it or not, it's the way it is.
Representative democracy -- you're welcome. Cars, computers and good pot, you're welcome. Cures for half the stuff that's come to be cured, you're welcome. Etc., etc., etc.
War, military-oil oligarchies, puppet regimes, MacDonalds, bad movies and fat psycho chicks -- we're sorry.
But don't generalize about Americans -- and, too, some comments on "blacks" that occasional spring up on this board are reprehensible.
I just fucking hate that thread-bare, European-socialist pollyanna fucking creed of anti-Americanism.
Whatever, I've been sitting on this post for about 5 years. Wanted to say it for a long time.
Catire, what you said is highly offensive and unnecessary. Live and let live, amigo. Americans are cool, buddy.
Should I even post this? Here it goes...
Great board! Thanks guys.
I'll be around Rio the entire month of May, anyone like to meet, chat about mongering please contact me. I was there a month this last December, this time taking laptop, more high quality condoms, and a two month supply of Viagra, plus several herbal equivalents (in my opinion better)!! Anyway, I like swapping, room orgies, etc. anyone interested or can advise much appreciated. I've stayed in touch with flames from Luomo, and Centaurus willing to participate in group during a day/night off from their respective Therma.
Zidaho
JWadd= and Rasta I have no bones to pick with you or anyone else here.
I've met many Americans that are super cool, and unfortunately I meet some real clueless fucking idiots. Generally speaking I consider the cluelessness and arrogance more prevalent among Americans than other nationalities simply because Americans are more insulated. Europeans often travel to other countries, most are bilingual if not trilingual and have a much better cultural awareness quotient than most American do. For an average American, going abroad is going to the Epcot Center to the World Pavilion for their one week or two week yearly vacation.
That said, things have been changing (for the better) for many Americans. And please, I'm not socialist Euro type. I'm as American as anyone else, I just don't allow my flag to cover what my eyes tell me, ok?
Rasta, I don't want to quibble about percentages, I am sure the majority are as you state, but not all and I repeat I was recently there so this isn't mere hearsay. It could be true that the kids "representing" were merely uneducated clueless clods with some paper to roll. Certainly possible. THe story about blowing cash (lots of it) and saving then I didn't make up. Heard it from one of the brothas himself. That's no indictment, as I said heard that and know that it happens with lots of whiteys too.
Cool, no worries and I hear you.
Peace,
JWadd
Hi Guys,
Went to Monte Carlo for the first time and had a blast. Hooked up with a blonde beauty named Alene on her 22nd birthday. She wanted to go a second time with me a little later, but I needed to recharge. She has the best personality to go with her looks. Very friendly, cute, silly, almost childlike, and a maniac in bed! One of my best ever.
Went to Help later and the talent was much better than two weeks prior. Looking up.
I am not black and not a racist. I have black friends. I do not like some of the things that have been said here recently. However, before you go to Help, realize you are going to see people acting the way they normally act. If you have not been to Help, it gets built up so much you would think you are going to a fine nightclub. You are not. It is an occasionally sleazy disco with mostly good looking women. You will see most of the white guys standing around not dancing and most of the black guys are. The black guys sometimes are smoking cigars with the women. Last night, there were a couple of guys with knit caps and t-shirts sending friends to bring women back to talk with them. Tony Soprano types do the same thing. Everyone is having a good time in their own harmless way and spending their own hard-earned cash.
Go to Help and the termas and have a good time and do not worry about what everyone else is doing. All you have to do is decide who will be the lucky girl! Diversity is a good thing.
[b]Catire[/b],
Please stop this stereo- typing of what you believe is a typical [b]Brother[/b] I have to agree with Rastaman that just because a few guys enjoy themselves in that way doesn’t mean we all do and what makes you think these weren’t local Brazilians? This year alone I have been to Dubai, Thailand and The Philippines, last year I was in Japan, Brazil, five cities, Latvia, Jordan & Kuwait, sorry nothing worth reporting from the last two but just read my other posts; in May I will be heading off to the Caribbean, so no, I am not waiting for my welfare cheque to drop through the door before I can travel again.
I happen to think that a lot of older white guys who get drunk and get a thrill of feeling up these girls at the bars are just very sad, I often want to say to them: “[i]rent a room pal!”[/i] but I know this is not all white guys.
I feel sorry for these older guys [i](typical red necks)[/i] who sit in bars all night drinking six seven hours straight until 4am and imagine that the ugly girls they saw in the bar at 8pm have now evolved into stunning models by 4am where they can get them for pittance. Then have the audacity to write up their posts as factual evidence. I have one rule, whenever I am alone in a new country, I never drink, I have to keep my witts about me which is why I write up what I see and not what I imagined the next morning. So what does this make me?
Also, the only time I have seen guys throwing money at girls was in a bar in Amman, Jordan, as the girls danced, don’t ask me why – this is a typical Arabic thing, but then the money was borrowed and another guys was busily scooping it up off the floor.
So please keep your generalisations to yourself but don’t tar a whole race with your ignorance.
Peace
i am better than you are.
i can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] farther than you.
senor catire, your post makes you sound somewhat arrogant and jealous.
mindless assumptions about a people or fact? do you have any idea how many americans are bilingual? have you any experience that would qualify you to make assumptions about the economic status of "brothas" that travel abroad?
my life experience has taught me that many people that readily make generalizations about other groups of people lack education, are bigots, and have insecurities that manifest themselves via some kind of irrational bias. is this the case?
“europeans often travel to other countries, most are bilingual if not trilingual and have a much better cultural awareness quotient than most american do” - factually, how many europeans have traveled beyond the borders of their own country, and or left europe to visit another continent? what is a cultural awarness quotient?
“for an average american, going abroad is going to the epcot center to the world pavilion for their one week or two week yearly vacation.” - what is an average american? have you ever heard of the term "american tourist dollars"?
how high is your cultural awareness quotient? are you familiar with the vast diversity that exists within the u.s.? cuantos idiomas hablas?
“i don't want to quibble about percentages” - remaining ignorant of the facts, and close minded, enables one to continue using fallacious arguments and to live comfortably as a bigot. education or adding facts to a willing rational mind will sometimes create a change in the mindset. this is all a bunch of puff n stuff.
maybe we should just keep the negroes locked up in jail, or hooked on crack. we don’t really want them out there traveling and growing, especially if they are going to spend a bunch of money. worst than that, what if they have the nerve to save a little money and buy the house that is for sale down the street from mine.
we are all out for a good time; it is not necessary to disparage others to do that? don’t be one of those “real - idiots”.
Gentlemen,
I'd like to remind you that there's a link at the bottom of each post that allows you to report offensive posts to Jackson.
Throwing money around. I saw that once in a titty bar in the USA (they were white guys, by the way). Girl was dancing on stage, they were wadding up one dollar bills and throwing them at her. A while after she finished, she was sitting with me & I mentioned that I thought the guys were being rather rude (I had actually asked them to "modify their behavior", which put a stop to it) - she said she didn't mind, she just wanted the money after all & if they threw it at her, there was less chance that they would try to grab her. Then she told me that it was typical behavior in Canadian titty bars, where she used to work before moving south.
I've also been at bars in Brasil (years ago, other places as well) with guys who were absolutely hammered by the time we were leaving. They were so drunk, that when they reached into their pocket to get money to pay the bill, half of it would fall on the ground (they would leave it), then they would just throw the rest of the money on the table since they were too "blind" to count it. Needless to say, if they wound up taking a garota back to their hotel or apartment, she was rather "frightful to behold", more often than not, they went home alone. These guys generally wondered why they were always broke, but figured that since they couldn't remember anything and weren't bruised up, they must have had a good time.
CW
JWadd said:
"I've traveled through about 40 counties"
That doesn't sound as impressive as you intended it to be. ;>)
ferolga
Catire, the kids you saw outside Help were probably Brazilians - not 'brothas' from the U.S. But I guess they all look alike to you, right?
I wish people like you would not travel to Brazil. Why not try Russia? I hear there's great action in Siberia. No beach, however.
Why is everyoe always pulling the race card out. Who gives a crap. I thought this board was about mongering. As far as I'm concerened mongerers (if that's a word) don't have a color. Let's just all keep chasing the poon.
Snooky, it's the bigots who keep 'pulling the race card'. We are just setting them straight. We 'give a crap'. Why not you?
I remember once working with a guy who was a Seikh with the turban and all. We were working late and ordered in pizza he went straight for the pepperoni and I asked him I thought in his religion that they didn't eat pork. He said they don't but he said it's like Christians there are good Christians and bad Christians and he was a bad Seikh.
I think that goes for everything, race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation. There will always be someone who gives it a bad name and they are definitely in the minority.
There will always be prejudice, it's ingrained and taught at an early age. Nothing you nor I can say that will change their opinions.
Now, the only thing it will do is inflame responses back and forth and a big pissing match and nothing will get accomplished except I have to read through the pissing match to get to read real useful information which is what this forum is all about.
If they are persistant in their derogatory references I'm sure Jackson will TCB. I've seen where he's TCB of some similar stuff elsewhere on this board.
Well, Snooky, what you wrote seems reasonable at first, but when you think about it, you actually agree with the guys who made the bigoted comments. That's unfortunate.
But I'll make you a deal. If you delete your last 2 posts, I will delete my last 3 posts.
Rio D and Jr.
I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not throwing out any "race cards". I am merely pointing out certain things that are self evident. I am also not stereotyping. I am generalizing. Those two things aren't the same.
I can spot a difference between an African American or a Brazilian, or Dominican or dark Cuban a mile away. So please keep your stupid wisecracks to yourselves. The "kids" I saw were INSIDE of Help. There were only several "representing" they were a distinct minority among the other brothas there.
I was going to Rio way before it ever appeared in the Snoop Dogg vid, so I don't think you'll be teaching me much about what to look out for and see.
The interesting thing to note is that the average African American male in Rio is about a decade younger than his Caucasian American counterpart.
This leads, I suppose to some generational differences, as well as a complete lack of understanding of urban culture by your average terma hopping accountant from Omaha.
But it's all good. All in all, the brothas I have seen are all on the up and up and generally very well behaved ( often better so than the drunk accountant from Omaha)
And Jr, generally speaking I agree with you about the slovenly drunken white guys slobbering and feeling the girls all over.
(though of course, not all, eh?)
but please tell me just where I am being "bigoted" or "prejudiced"?
If I saw a redneck all decked out in his big Garth Brooks hat and a belt buckle as big as his head, I'd point that out too!
Catire,
I am not quite sure what the difference is between “stereo-typing” and “generalising”, this is basically semantics; however, I do happen to like that Snoop Dogg video and I went to Brazil for work purposes in the first place.
But if you can tell and American black male from his Brazilian counterpart you are a much better man than me because I have been to places where I have met brothas and sat down and spoken to them only to discover that actually they are from Sweden, Nigeria or wherever. Whao look who’s talking, as I do hail from the UK, my parents are from Jamaica.
But the term [i] “Ghetto-type Americans”[/i] is offensive and brings up the image of gangsters, drug deals and guys who never finish a sentence properly. Look if someone wishes to spend his money throwing it around that’s his business, live and let live that’s what I say. This imagine is appealing to a lot of guys who have never set foot in a ghetto in their life, and I am not just talking about Americans here either, this rap video culture is additive to some and I have met many guys who have done very well in their life who try to play the [i] gangsta pimp[/i] from the wrong side of the tracks.
Maybe they think the [i]beeeaaachesss enjoy dat shiiiitt[/i]
Anyone confused about who is Snoop Dogg should check out the song “Beautiful” [url]snoopdogg.com/video.html[/url]
Rio D,
What I was saying was, that whether you are balck, White, blue or green. There will always be someone that is a bad representative of whatever you are. And there will always be another group that will use that miniscule minority to accentuate their points. Can't stop it. It's always going to happen.
Believe me, I do not agree with painting anyone with a broad stroke. So I think you are way off base there.
I do believe that people who do aren't smart enough to know better and if they couldn't learn that in their formative years what makes you think that words on a forum are going to change their minds 20-30 years later.
Will you people relax please with the racial sensitivity? Do you not know that in Brazil blacks occupy the lowest area of the racial hierarchy and are basically seen as ugly, poor, and a bunch of criminals? The only blacks who are respected are those who are athletes, entertainers, or musicians with money.
Brazilians are not PC like Americans. They have no problems saying their prejudices, but unlike Americans, even though they say these things they still like to believe in the idea that Brazil is a racial democracy. It is a contradiction in some ways.
In Brazil, if you see an ad for a worker that says 'boa aparencia' (good apperance) that means this person cannot be black. If someone says they are a bunch of marginais (ghetto hoodlums), they mean they are black. Brazil's whole cosmetic industry is based on people with black blood try to be as white as possible by lightening their skin, dying their hair, and straightening it.
Have you people seen the Brazilian television recently? In a country with so much African blood, what is considered beautiful is white people.
So when you are going to a country with so much racism and un-PC behavior going on, what is the big deal about reading ghetto-type americans on the internet?
It is a fact of life around the world. Please get used to it and leave your American sensibilites at home. I swear, I don't know why Americans try to impose their racial thinking onto the whole world.
Okay Rio Nut
You are right, if you feel that it is okay, the rest of us on the board must accept it. That is it fellas, no more expressing yourselves, please run any comments on this issue by Rio Nut so that he can approve the content before posting.
BTW racial sensitivity is not the issue, the issue is respect for the board and the different participants on the board. You want respect, give respect. The post that started this flare up is not sharing info on the ladies, it is about the nigras, you know the brothas. Who cares about the bros. We are looking for the ladies. Why not share about the ladies. That is the point.
The ladies, the ladies, the ladies, that is why we are here. I am leaving to Brazil on wed. I would like to hear about the ladies, the bros won't even be there when I get there, the ladies will....
Rio Not, even though you are fairly correct, it's unfortunate that Brazil and other Latin countries are as racist on this front as they are.
Interestingly enough though - what is black to them isn't black to us (meaning Americans). Many girls we would think of black, are considered morenas or mulattas overseas. What many Latins consider "black" would be people straight out of the African bush, not the American cafe which has had some leche in also every instance along some point in time.
Jr.
the only generalizations I made were the following.
A positive one about the brothas general behavior and the fact they seem like they aren't deterred by sticker shock, in fact they seem to love to spend money, and I speculate (perhaps racistly on my part) that this is fueled by the videos they watch on BET.
It would make some logical sense, as part of a dream vacation, why not live the dream life of a MacDaddy Pimp, a playa?
I made no other generalizations or accusations. I never said the actions or dress of one or several meant everyone was the same way. The idiots that were "representing" are simply the African American version of some white guy who would walk around looking like Opie, or Gomer Pyle (and talk like them)
as to recognizing American brothas from locals elsewhere, this is very easy.
Matter of dress (though yes, sometimes there might be headfakes, but generally speaking not - casual American wear, whether for whitey or for the brothas is a dead giveaway)
there is also the way they carry themselves, the way they walk, not to mention how they talk.
Finally - a quick glance immediately works on the following front.
Most American brothas will be bigger, more athletic/muscular, or fat than most locals anywhere else.
it's usually a reliable indicator about 90% of the time.
p.s. I never said "ghetto type Americans" that was a different poster. I merely mentioned I saw a couple that were dressed that way. The majority were not, they were dressed in African American casual wear, which might look "ghetto" to a white accountant from Omaha or any older whitey, but not to a big city white boy like me.
p.p.s. Double you say the bros wont be there when you get to Rio? you're in for quite a surprise. It's the single biggest change in the last couple of years in Rio sex tourism. People attribute this (rightly or wrongly) to the Snoop video.
Reading with extreme interest.
I don't think Catire "gets it". At any point, you can stop with the "representing" comments. Also, you have tried to re-write history when your original intent was clear:
First you wrote: "the PROBLEM is how deeply they get into their rap star fantasies", and now you are saying that your comment was "a POSITIVE one about them being undeterred by sticker shock". Positive problems? This strikes me as patently disingenuous.
Over the years that I've travelled to Rio and other Brazilian cities, I have had convos with garotas who offered their opinions on the differences among the various ethnic groups who travel there. Those perspectives would probably engender much hostility from the majority population.
Can we please get back to talking about some silky, Brazilian pussy?
BTW, Rastaman is completely correct. Brazil was popular with 'the brothas' LONG before the Snoop video.
But for those who can only think of black men in rap video terms, blame the influx on Ja Rule, who shot his popular "Holla, Holla" video on Copa beach and in Help back in 1999.
In golf terms, that year Olazabal won the Masters.
you could be correct Rasta, since there are also now groups of brothas in the DR, and there has been no videos from any rappers on that country. I would still take major issue about blending in, at least when it comes to the majority. Any brotha who has played sports (and the majority did/do) immediately stick out like a sore thumb by appearance alone. One doesn't obtain upper body mass and or shoulder width by running up and down a soccer field kicking a stupid ball, which is the "sport" of choice in all of these countries, right?
as to brothas in Rio.
the timing of the influx and the video is probably why people make that association.
it also makes perfect sense since in those countries you will find some ladies of color who you see in some of those rapper videos but very rarely find on the streets of the 'hood.
so it all makes sense.
Brothas are welcome, just don´t stretch out the poor garotas. Leave a little snap in the poonanny for us poor little white boys!
Seriously I have met a lot of black gringos here and they seem very nice.
Checked out www.ciaplus.com escort service yesterday, they sent 2 girls for me and my friend, Stephany and Estrela. They were exactly as shown on website. Both 20 years old, college students, and they live together. Estrela is very petite and has a prettier face and is more friendly and talkative, gfe type. Stephany is taller has crooked teeth, and doesn´t talk much, if you care. Each girl is 100R ($37) for an hour, 130R for ($48) with anal, plus a few R for the taxi. Both very cooperative, willing to do BBBJ. Neither was a 10 like some of the Help girls, but a solid 7-8 ymmv, and a lot nicer than the average Help girl. They gave us their phone number and are willing to meet outside the agency for less $$$.
I got my molluscum from having regular vaginal sex WITH a condom at some termas in Rio de Janeiro. It is like herpes and warts, where skin to skin contact rubs off the virus and makes it spread. But luckily, it was not warts or herpes, so I had them burned off and they did not come back. The only thing bad was my girlfriend (the regular one) broke up with me because she noticed these bumps on me before I did and went crazy.
My STD doctor said that it is common for men from tropical South American countries, because that is where it is common.
Well, DarkKnight, I don't have to "get it" to keep in step with your politically correct? outlook on things and of course I reject your implications of casting or thinking of all black males in "rap terms".
I call them like I see them. If at times I see things the wrong way or am somehow someway prejudiced due to cultural differences, etc - I can accept that. But I'm not a country boy hayseed. I've grown up around black guys all my life, and played football with them for years and have several good black friends.
Sometimes I and them choose to agree to disagree about certain things.
Yes, my SENSE was that a lot of the guys I saw were playing out what I guessed were their rap video fantasies. Of course, this relates more to younger brothas (under 40) but as I have noted, there is probably a decade difference of the average age of the the average whitey and average brotha Rio visitor. Could this rap star pimp fantasy guess be totally wrong? of course - but certain whiteys have their own fantasies, etc, that they might want to act out, right?
the white man equivalent in my mind would be re-enacting or pretending to be back in the movie "Animal House".
my positive generalization was the the brotha tourists were generally speaking better behaved (read less drunken, obnoxious and arrogant) than many a whitey American tourist I have encountered thru the years.
If you deem that is not positive, well, that is up to you.
what I deemed as "problematic" about the "rap video fantasy" is the "more money, more hos" attitude (and I KNOW you know EXACTLY what I am talking about) which leads to overpaying. I never saw that Barbarella episode that the other guy posted, if I had actually witnessed that I would have been appalled and extremely pissed off.
Maybe you should go back and re-read what I wrota and then work on your reading COMPREHENSION.
in any event I've never had any problems with any brothas in Rio and I have no issues with them. In fact, speaking selfishly, the more of them there are, the better it works for me (since I look way different, and it's always better to look/be different IMHO)
p.s. I've also had such conversations about various nationalities and ethnic groups. It inevitably comes up and certainly makes for an interesting conversation.
p.p.s. Thanks for the Jarule clearup. I never saw that video, and I absolutely despise golf. What I can tell you is that I went to Rio several times a year in late 90's and lived there for several months in 2000 and seeing a brotha there in those days was rare. Make that seeing any groups of brothas. There were always a couple of black guys around, but nothing like the wolfpacks one sees these days. There was a small group of doctors that flew down from Atlanta regularly and they hung out with John Thompson, one of the appt/guide dudes who is also African American, but generally speaking the difference in percentage terms or pure numerical terms woud be like the difference in night and day (or in this case, day and night? - this is a joke not a racial slam). Most brothas these days also seem to be significantly younger and more into the hip hop culture than for e.g. the Atlanta group of doctors I mention earlier.
p.p.p.s. I never said I saw black males PURELY in rap terms, but the culture is certainly far more hip hop influenced, certainly among the younger brothas, of whom there are plenty in Rio. Please don't tell me about whitey suburban Eminem imitators, they don't come to Rio. Their accountant fathers do.
I was in Rio/Cocacabana in mid March and felt like I was staring in my own porno movie, went to Termas Aeropuerto which is open Mon - Fri 12 - 12, a cab ride from Cocacabana.
Now my hotel staff who sure got a commish wanted me to go to couple more local but heard mention over the years of Aeropuerto and went and checked out and thoght was a good deal with nice looking girls.
Was staying at Othan Tracadore which while I could have brought a gal back to the room wanted a lot of Reals to do it and when I took the taxi back from Terma Aeropuerto to hotel decided to get a sandwich so walked down towards Mabs and stopped part way down and got a decent steak sandwich and a beer, decided to go back to hotel and met a blonde SW on way, we talked , invited her back to room then had the above hotel experience, she suggested the Diplomat mentioned by others, a honeymoon type motel, 30 Reals, good porno flicks in room, got in room showered walked back to the bed with the gal and she started mimicking the girl on the tv taking my swollen member into her wet mouth, we had some great sex , and later I went cabbed back to Othon, which was facing ocean, 3 star place, might stay there again, probably lot better places to stay.
This was my first time in RIO and so next day took city bus and did couple tourist things, went to Statue of Christ and took cable cars to Sugarloaf both which were nice.
I was leaving real early next day for Foz Iguazu and wasn't really planning on anything happening, and had headed out of Othon walking towards Help but a few blocks away, when this Olive skinned, Bridgette Bardot looking gal , 22 years old comes riding a bicycle buy me on the sidewalk where I was walking, I being a 51 year old, little gut, gringo and she passes on her bike then turns around and says Are you American?
I say Yes, and she asks me if I am going to Help, and I said no i was just going to the little cafe on the next block to get something to eat and maybe she might join me, which she said, she had to take her bicycle home , but would be there in about 10 minutes.
If this was in FL , I don't think she would have ever come back nor even stopped as it was daylight 6 pmish, so I went to the cafe and she shows up, I buy her a Orange Juice as this is what she wanted, and then we are talking and she asks me if I want to make love to her and I say sure, she says she will need 200 Reals as her mom is not doing so well, I said I'm very sorry to hear that but I can't afford that, and she comes down to 150 Reals with a Great attitude, smile on her face.
I'm not about to argue on price with this chick, man I pissed so much money in the US on older chicks , PMS in, bad atttitudes, "HE Did this to me",, forgetting what did she do to him... so I said fine, then we had to decide on where to go.
I suggested a short cab ride to the Diplomat which she I think played dumb as to knowing it- though she probably was there 3 hrs B4, so we got a cab and had a great time, before and after.
I had to get up early to catch a flight to Foz Iguazu and had paid for the trip , wanted to go but if I hadn't would have been tempted to cancel that flight.
I will come back to Rio/Brazil again, god willing in late 04 or 05, my next trip is via Ship outta Vancouver, BC which I am somewhat familiar with but haven't been there in about 8 years but spent a lot of time there in the 80's to Sitka , Alaska to Petropavlosk, Russia to Pusan, S. Korea to Shanghi, Beifing, and Hainan China then to Hong Kong, then to Vietnam , maybe to Ankor Watt Cambodia, then to Taiwan then to Japan, (around 60 days on the ship) so will be moving to the Asian board for a bit
so you all take care of Brazil for me til I get back.
[b]Catire,[/b]
It looks like you are jumping out of the boiling pot straight into the fire,
Please leave football (soccer) out of this argument quote:[i] “One doesn't obtain upper body mass and or shoulder width by running up and down a soccer field kicking [b]a stupid ball,[/b] which is the "sport" of choice in all of these countries, right?[/i]
You have to be careful when you are talking about football, sport of choice for two thirds of the world. Brazil home to one man that along with Muhammad Ali was perhaps in their era, were two of the most famous black people on the planet, [b]PELE[/b] Now this is why I have always wanted to go to Brazil.
Quote: [i]"Football (soccer) is not just a matter of life and death it’s much more important than that"[/i] – Bill Shankly
Catire [i](tongue in cheek pal)[/i]
Is everyone here so pussy-whipped, that the only way they can alleviate their boredom is to have a discussion concerning the silliest of topics? Please Gentlemen. We're not little little kids in here. Let's get back to discussing more interesting topics. Like that sweeter than sweet Brazilian pussy!
Remember,
www.wsgforum.com .....where the "s" stands for "sex".
This isn't a board for "race" debates.
Tell me about the beautiful pussy in Rio, I'm stuck in the USA for 10 more weeks.
Let's stay "on topic" for a change..
The Hammer.
Hammer we are not debating race. We are discussing a travel environment. It's fair game.
For all those who want to talk about pussy and its silikiness.
here you go:
there's a lot of pussy in Brazil and Rio and at least some of it is of the silky variety though often hard to tell when you are wearing rubbers, right?
now what else about the pussy would you like to know?
Jr.
regardless of how I or anyone else regards soccer vs football, the fact is your average soccer player has arms that are smaller in circumference than most American athletes' (the ones that play the basic sports that require weightlifting) wrists. So my argument stands... if the guy's much broader up top or just a hell of a lot more fat, odds are very high he's an American brotha rather than a darker skinned local, all other things aside right away from the get go. The Americans are also more likely to be taller.
Hey guys,
Can we get back to the main topic?
I mean pussy and mongering are the reason of this forum, not hate and race!
Everyone,
I just read about "CASSIA" from 4x4 being shot
dead by her boyfriend back in august last year.
I just wanted to get a confirmation if this might
be the same girl I was with just a couple of days
before she was shot. When she wrote down her
number on a note to me she wrote "CAISSIA".
Does anyone know if these two ladies are the
same or if "CAISSIA" is a different lady?
If this indeed is the same woman, I really feel
bad because we had a date where she should come
to my hotel. I called her and we confirmed the
date just 30 minutes before she was supposed to
arrive. Then she didn`t show up and her cell phone
was switched off. Now I find out a couple of days later
she might have been shot by a jealous boyfrind. Wow.
If you search the forum for "Caissia" you will find
a report from my experience from her. She was/is
quite special.
GK
Hey you guys, if you wanna argue race relations, flame each other with PM´s because the rest of DO NOT CARE!
As of this week, BTW, we entered Brazil at Rio ariport without fingerprinting or photos, they just stamped our passports and waved us through.
Catire:
I guess you've met very few Nigerians. If you want clarification on this comment, please PM me, I'd rather not contribute to the clutter that your arguments have been adding to the board.
Everybody else:
I think we would best serve this board by ignoring any more of Catire's comments on the subject (unlike I just did). I don't think he started off by intending to come across as a wanker, I think he was just trying to clarify another poster's comment. Unfortunately, he just inflamed the issue and every time he tries to defend himself or clarify his comments, he just pisses of more people.
CW
CW.
I will no longer comment on this topic since it's pretty much run its course and I have said all I wanted to say.
That said, I couldn't give a rat's ass how many people here or anywhere else might get "pissed off".
I'm just trying to "keep it real", by telling it as I saw it.
You're right, I simply commented on something OTHERS started, but if people think of that as "inflaming" the issue, that's their problem, not mine. That is why I prefer Latin cultures, especially the Cuban one which is so blunt most Americans especially would be insulted and or inflamed by just about anything spoken!
re your Nigerian comment, you may be correct, but I thought I was commenting on Latins, and I specifically brought up the countries with the highest population of African blood, like the DR, Cuba and Brazil.
Knowing and having met some African immigrants here in the US, the difference betwen them and African Americans is astounding, and I'd spot it/them a mile away.
But that is the start of another thread that certainly does not belong here and that would truly [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] of some people because some of the truths and half truths would be shocking.
so I'm done.
Peace.
p.s. to clean up several loose ends:
1) Señor Double - hablo tres idiomas con fluidez, y dos mas o menos. Y Usted?
2) the guy that said all brazilian porn features condoms used, couldn't be more incorrect. I'd say almost the opposite is true. A friend of mine in Rio has cable with a Brazilian porn channel included. Not only are all the performers far more attractive and enthusiastic than siliconed up and fake American actresses, but NONE of the scenes that I can ever remember seeing involved condom use.
3) saw that girl Daniela at Help recently. I hear that she only made about a 1000 reals for all that "work" in the video. Unfortunately the last several years haven't treated her real well, she's definetely aged - but I can also say with certainty that the girl is an absolute sweetheart and I care for her deeply. It was even more troubling to see her younger sister now working Help.
To Rio Kid,
I found that girl we talked about on YET another site:
http://www.brazilianwomen-brazilwomen.com/black_girls_gone_wild__nude_brazilian_women.html
She's on the right, in case you don't recognise her.
V
<============== African-American and damn sure proud of it!
I'm whatever I am and damn sure proud of it. But like, who cares?
Since this seems to be the most popular forum, I was wondering if anyone has had any dealings with Marina. I'm considering renting an apartment from her. Any advice / comments?
Thanks
The latest BS from HELP:
I have been going there for 3 years and it is getting worse.
Most of the girls who were there 3 years ago are still there, still claiming to be 19, LOL. Seems to be the same old piranhas, with very little new blood. Asking price is up to 300-400R ($110-140) for short time. according to other posters you can argue them down to 200R all night, but my opinion is UNLIKELY and hardly worth the trouble any more, given other options Most of them seem content to just hang out and demand 300R until some idiot pays it. Go figure.
Instead we went home and called
www.scortshow.com.br
I mention the promocao and it´s 100R ($37) for 2 hours plus taxi fare, which the girls claim is 40R, so about $45 total for 2 hours includes everything unless you want to tip, which ias nice but not mandatory.
2 girls promptly came for me and my friend, Patricia and Leticia.
Patricia is a 5 foot blonde, about 25, EXTREMELY nice and GFE, pretty light skinned bleach blonde, a little sun-damaged. BBBJ and very cooperative and funny and bubbly and sweet. Looks exactly as shown in web photo.
Leticia is a little taller and her body looks exactly as shown on web, but she does have a little bit of a horsey face and overbite. Kinda shy and quiet but a champion in bed, BBBJ, etc.
An advantage to the escort services is they come during the day... at my age I prefer this to waiting until 2 AM to drag someone home from HELP or Barbarella.
www.ciaplus.com
(Again)
100R ($35) for 1 hour, 130R ($45) for 2 hours, plus taxi of 20-30R. Girls who give anal are clearly marked ¨completa¨NOTE: ANAL COSTS 30R more.
Good value agency, a little more $$ than some others but always been dependable and the girls´bodies look like exactly like their pix, although the pix don´t show the face, and the bodies tend to be prettier than the faces when they show up. All pix appear to be genuine.
Giovanna is a gorgeous little mulatta black girl with black color but totally white features. (No offense just the facts). Like a short Vanessa Williams at age 20. Perfect little body, million dollar smile and dimples and very nice. Not rushed.
July is taller and very sweet and giggly. Great bod as shown on web, but has a snaggle-tooth overbite. Someone wanna buy her braces? Good cooperative performer, and tries hard to please. Not rushed.
After 3 years of Help, Barbarella and Termas, I am liking the agencies more and more. Cheaper, daytime hours, and the girls tend to be students or single moms who are a lot less hardened and are friendlier, sweeter and less rushed than the Disco girls. After 20+ agency girls I have never been seriously ripped off or badly disappointed. The photos are genuine and I haven´t been bait and switched, altho some of the girls have 8 bodies and 5 faces. Most of the girls are not 10´s, but they seem to make it up in friendliness and attitude.
Damn, Vinni100, how could I not recognize HER.
That ***** gets around. I've seen her picture on the "E Wild on Rio" website, too.
To any of the guys who may be tempted to get with her, I would suggest not. She's a pro, and might scam your ass. If you look at her in that photo, she looks a little hardened.
Also, I heard she was hanging out with that HIV positive porn star!
The Kid
Rio Kid:
Re: Apartment rental, without going into too many details, "Marina" is a disaster. Rent from Kenn (ez-riorentals.com).
Tom B.
Yes, the Rio girls are becoming spoiled because of all the stupid Americans who come and pay anything.
I actually negotiated with a hooker in Help over 1 year ago, and when I offered her 200 reais for the night, she LAUGHED and walked away. She thought she was quite special because there were 5-6 men chasing her inside of Help Disco. Has Help become some type of normal disco where you must chase women?
The vast majority of course who are very very ugly will take anything they can get. But really, Help just disgusts me now. The termas are still good however.
I recently was in Russia (outside of Moscow) and I must say that it is becoming a better deal there than Brazil. There you can get BEAUTIFUL 18-25 year old model looking european girls from the countryside, blonde hair, blue eyes, brunettes, everything for $100-150, about the same you pay at Help. These are women who would stop traffic in the U.S. And these women are hardly prostitutes, and will do anything to be your boyfriend so they can leave the country. It is you or a life with a Russian unemployed husband who drinks too much.
So overall, while Rio is still the best place in all of Brazil for fucking, it is on the decline very quickly.
I swear I am not being combatative this week on purpose, but in regards to Travel Addict's Help prices quotes, I take issue.
You can find PLENTY of women more than happy to spend the entire night with you for no more than 250 reals, and that's the higher end of the price range with no haggling involved.
Obviously the hottest one with lots of demand can and will charge more, but TA's prices are more along Barbarella lines.
Money exchange
I arrived today and went for the first exchange booth that I saw as came down the escallator. The exchange rate was 2.7r per dollar. I would advise that you wait until you get out in front by the street to change currency. The rate is better 2.8...
No photos or fingerprinting.
Double, out
There are of course quite a range of girls at Help. By the time I get there, I am feeling VERY picky, and out of 200 gatas, I might be interested in the hottest five garotas. I am sure the less gorgeous ones are willing to go for 250R ($85), but after coming 10,000 miles I am not in the mood to compromise my overblown fantasies! Nonetheless I feel like bitching about the prices. We all live in our own private hell!
Double, I stopped taking total cash to Rio a couple of years ago, I found that you get a better rate at the ATM machines. The Citi Bank ATM at Blockbuster video in Copacabana is easy to use on Rua Magahles and Ave. N.S. de Copacabana.
I find that there are more new fresh faces in Help before Carnival and now off season more or less what is mostly left is the regulars with a few new ones sprinkled in. But right before Carnival about 2 weeks I found the selection to be the best as there are many girls from all over Brazil in town for the Carnival/Summer season. You even get the ones who have been working in Europe come back for the season. Then about 2 weeks after Carnival most of them leave and now you are left with the old diehards. I still see and screw girls in Help that I met 7 years ago and it wasn't their first day then either. My first time in Rio was 1980 but I don't see anyone from then in Help, thank God. But it's good to see some of the old ones still there, at least they're still alive, its like a test. The same thing with the tourists, if you go enough you see the same tourists over and over again. Which is good at least they are not dying off either. One night a Help girl was complaining to me that she was getting sick of Help hearing the same music night after night. I said but at least the tourists are new. She said no, the tourists are all the same too, they keep coming back.
A couple of weeks ago when I was in Help, most of the girls were happy with 200 reais some stood at 250 and I gave in a couple of times to 300 when I thought she was exceptional and didn't have the time or strength to waste. But it is good that everybody keeps mentioning the money on this board because it helps you stick to your price more and not give in as much and become weak with the nicer ones.
I did use www.viprj.com.br escort service several times and both girls were really nice with Sandra being exceptional I agree with you Travel Addict that using an escort during the day or early evening means you don't have to wait till 3 AM to bring something nice back. Plus its a nice thing to do in the afternoon, it breaks up the day.
Rionut - its not just the Americans who are overpaying, I spoke to a girl one night who told me that the night before she was with an Italian who gave her 800 reais for all night and believe me she had a big attitude being 18, blond and prime USDA filet. She was one of the ones I gave 300 because I didn't want to let it go for an extra few bucks.
I agree with Rio Bob. My current routine is to bring almost no US cash, and go up to the third floor of the airport terminal as soon as I get to Rio, head all the way to the right (as you are facing the front doors heading out). There are a bunch of ATM´s. SOME have the PLUS sign on them which means they tie in to the American system, then I take out the max of 1,000R ($330) with my ATM card. This gets me into town (taxi ride to copacabana or Ipanema should be in the 50R range). As of last week, got an ATM exchange rate of 2.88, with a service charge of 6R ($2). Then I use the ATM´s in Rio to get 1,000R at a time.
Anyone on the ground in Rio that can report on the termas activities since the porno HIV connection to 4X4 girls? Did 4X4 shut down for a little bit? Have all the termas customers thinned out since it came out in the news? or is it business as usual? Inquiring minds want to know.
I'm a newbie at this, so bare with me. I'm looking to go to Rio hopefully this summer. Just wanted to know how the action is during our summer which is their winter. It'll be my first trip. Also if there's anyone there that I can hang out with.
-Rio Newbie
Travel Addict,
I can completely commiserate with you. I appreciate your thoughts with regard to HELP. But my experiences on the cost are a bit different. Four years ago, I was taking girls out of Help for R$150, and the exchange rate was 3.45:1. This year, I was STILL paying R$150-200, but the exchange rate was 2.9:1. However, the overall talent level has gone down a notch.
What I have done is to get away from the Copa clubs and head over to Ipanema/Leblon. Try Melt, Bombar, or Guapo Loco. Or even Cozumel or Six (Lapa).
I went to Bombar as a third wheel one night. Upstairs, while cooling at the bar, I met a nice, young local carioca. We danced as a foursome and shared some drinks and laughed with her friends. The music is FAR superior to Help. A lot of American music, but very little of the aforementioned headache-inducing techno. The club itself is fairly small, but multi-level. The best feature is probably the clientele. None of the 40+, pot-bellied, balding, graying Americans or Euros that you find trolling in Help. The crowd is very attractive. A quantum leap forward from Help.
After some drinks and dancing, I went to pay for my tab. This is one of the clubs where you get a card upon entry, and tab out at the end of the night. I was pleasantly surprised when she waited on the pay line with me, and walked outside into our taxi without any discussion. Apparently, her mind was already made up. (Ahhh, Rio!) Note: you can tip any of the staff, and they’ll circumvent the long line and produce your tab.
We got back to my apartamento and had a bit to drink and listened to some more music. I offered her a toothbrush and she asked to also take a shower. I slipped into the shower with her, but didn’t stay in too long. I had the “2nd” bathroom, and the shower was really just a narrow box. The one good thing, though is that the water heater box was automatic, and I didn’t have to play any games with the matches as I’ve done in previous apartments.
Anyway, after a nice morning of rubber protected sex, I woke up before her. As she sat up in bed, I went down and got some sucos and sanduiches. When it was time for her to leave (late morning?), I walked her to the elevator and we kissed. I gave her R$30 ‘for the taxi’ and she kinda shrugged, like “whatever”, and left.
For the next couple of days, she called and wanted me to head up with her to Teresopolis where her family had gone for Carnaval. I was kind of on ‘lockdown’ with another girl, so I stayed in Copa with her and my friends. This girl was clearly just a local, non-pro. Also, judging by her gear/hair/jewelry, was reasonably affluent by Brazilian standards. We’ve exchanged a few e-mails, and I look forward to a better/longer time next visit.
My recommendation is to get out of the Help/Pataca/ Terraza Atlantica grind and explore other non-pro spots.
Travel Addict.
Your prices always seem to be double of mine.
I walked outside, took a metered yellow taxi and my ride into the heart of Ipanema was precisely 27 reals.
Which means that from the airport to Copacbana around say Help area, the price would then be something like 31 or 32 reals.
Dark Knight, congrats.
What you describe is possible but you'd better be younger and decent looking, or have something that fascinates them, whether that be blonde hair and blue eyes, or several inches of solid Mississipi blacksnake.
btw, how's your Portuguese? hard to laugh when you can't say anything or communicate. (so I assume you know some).
I'm not trying to pick any bones, but I will say this about Help.
The clientele there is younger and better looking (to use your own words) than in any other Pay for Play location I have ever been to around the world, and let's face it, Help for all its uniqueness, is a P4P joint, not a regular discotheque.
If you think the johns at Help are so old, fat and ugly, I eagerly invite you for a troll anywhere else, especially the gogos and beer bars of Thailand or the bars of the Phillippines.
Hi Catire, if you paid 27.reais to Ipanema from Copacabana you paid too much...
from the center of Copa. to the center of Ipanema, at night, should be about 12-15.reais....
I taxi from Posto 5 in Copa. to Ipanema 2 or 3 times a week and never pay more than 7 or 8.reais each way..... depending on the traffic in a yellow metered taxi..
From the airport you can expect to pay from 35-50.reais to Help... depending on the traffic.....
Dear Kenn
I paid 27 from the AIRPORT to the heart of Ipanema (Posto Novi)
and I paid the very same exact metered price on the way back.
Taxis from say Help to Princesa Isabel seemed to run about 6-7 reals.
Ditto for taxis from Help back into where I was at in Ipanema.
From Princesa Isabel to my place in Ipa, the fare was probably around 11-12 reals (logical given the above)
please note that each time you get into a cab- the meter starts at 3.3 reals and then the per mile fare kicks in.
Some cabbies haven't adjusted their meters so they pull out their litttle chart, which shows what they can charge under the recently approved fare increase (15% or so) but if a cabbie does that to you, the upward adjustment should not be too drastic.
Some cabs (few but some) have "funny meters". A friend and myself got taken for 8 reals just taking a cab around Centro. Given the distance invovled and given the ride back into Copa cost us just a little more, we knew we got scammed - but what can one do.
Fortunately, most cabs are on up and up.
The scary (and amusing) thing is the Taxi mafia outside of Help. Despite signs in the disco on the stairway (saying the Disco isn't associated with them) the drunk gringos stumble outside where an entire mafia of taxistas (all UNMETERED) is waiting for them.
The drunken or clueless gringos stumble into the taxis. Many of the girls also have "deals" with this taxi mafia or a particular mafioso, whereas she gets cheap taxi service when needed in return for guiding her john into this particular taxi for the un-needlessly expensive ride ahead.
Each time I called the taxis (same thing/scam in front of Balcony and most boites btw) "thieves" in front of the girls and said we're walking up a block and catching a taxi off the street, the girls just smiled.
They KNEW the game - and knew that I knew.
Catch a street taxi, never one parked outside a tourist(y) establishment and insist on a meter.
p.s. Given I paid 27 from airport to Posto Novi, and given it takes about 7, 8 tops reals from there to Help, then your taxi fare from airport to Help should be 27 plus 7-8- but minus 3.3 -
So, that looks to me like 32. Anything above 35 and I would get very suspicious. This assumes no traffic and the most direct route into town.
Catire,
You’re probably right about the P4P clubs in Asia. I’ve never been to Asia (or Europe), but I can imagine the train wrecks frequenting the clubs over there. My only real experiences are Brazil and DR, and I’ve been fortunate to find clubs in both places that are a breed apart. For example, in Santo Domingo, there’s a great club called SevenToSeven. The partygoers are younger, great-looking people. Typical of what you’d find at a Soho club in NYC, a SoBe Miami spot, or a Sunset club in LA.
My Portuguese is decent, but not great. I just don’t go to Brazil often enough to improve it. I still struggle with tense, and the slang throws me…but I do OK and people understand me. No one would mistake my Portuguese for a local.
I’m just offering some alternatives to Help for the folks who are tired of the same music / faces / scene / garotas.
Pic of 727 dance floor (I know, I know, this isn't the Santo Domingo thread). Just an example.
Rio Bob
I am well over 40, gray for many years, and a few hairs have falled out. Some time back I discovered that if it starts with ¨F¨ you are better off renting than buying. The ¨F´s¨I refer to are if it flies, floats or fucks, renting is far better. Anytime you get one of the ladies for ¨free¨next thing she wants to be your friend, moves her crap into your place, wants you to be true blue to her, has PMS, gets grouchy, we all know the drill. You pay a gal and what you are really doing is paying her to leave.
Rio Bob,
We'll work under the assumption that everybody is entitled to their opinion about Help. Also, I think anyone who has paid their 28 reais 'belongs' there. That being said, the viewpoint that I have in ANY club is not to view the other guys as "competition". Rather, I view them as "my fellow partyers".
The context of who the other guys are is relevant because many women have told me that they DO charge different prices based on who they think the guy is. The guys paying the higher prices are contributing to the overall inflation that many of you have expressed concern about. If you were a male gigolo, would you be willing to negotiate a lower price for Cindy Crawford than you would for Roseann Barr? Maybe just a little?
Additionally, you get some first-timers and semi-pros who like to convince themselves that "This is a guy that I'd probably sleep with anyway. So I'm not really a GDP."
Grshel makes a great point. You ARE paying them to leave. You are also paying for the right to indulge your inner freak without having to ask sheepishly. Rio Bob, I think what most "young, handsome studs" in Help are paying for is the freedom to hang with their friends all day, do whatever they want, and still assure that they are going to get laid at the end of the night....without having to be 'on their best behaviour'.
I think $60 US is a cheap price for that.
Rio Nut wrote:
"Yes, the Rio girls are becoming spoiled because of all the stupid Americans who come and pay anything.
I actually negotiated with a hooker in Help over 1 year ago, and when I offered her 200 reais for the night, she LAUGHED and walked away. She thought she was quite special because there were 5-6 men chasing her inside of Help Disco. Has Help become some type of normal disco where you must chase women?
The vast majority of course who are very very ugly will take anything they can get. But really, Help just disgusts me now. The termas are still good however."
I think he's right.
Let me explain something to those who posted below. I am a 46 y/o man with a full head of hair. Although I am over weight, I still get young girls for free. I also speak the laguage. Mind you, I don't "shop" at the high school, but I have had vacation GF's as young as 19 in Rio.
I almost never go to HELP unless I am with friends. Last time I went there I was with my married friends from the UK. We wanted to dance.
I don't like "stupid" and ridiculous hookers that think they are worth 200.00 dollars US. I don't need to be bothered.
I had/have a girlfriend from Taquara who is 32. I almost considered marrying her except her family thinks I'm Santa Clause/Rockafeller. So I dumped her.
I love the beach and I love the convenience of Monte Carlo. Get a girl at MC, have fun and go back to the beach the next day.
OR, walk into a shop where a pretty young girls works and give her a flower and a smile.
Women in Brasil think men that are old and reasonably plump are men of stature and most likely have good jobs and are successful. Depends on how you carry yourself.
I could be 60 one day and still get laid.
By the way, when I do pay, its usually around 100R period, and they clean my floor!
Well it is different in Rio and the south of Brazil, but if you go to the Northeast like Fortaleza, Recife, and Natal, and ESPECIALLY if you go to the Amazon like Manaus, you will notice one thing:
Old over 40 bald fat men usually have 2-3 girlfriends who are 16-25 years ago. Not *****s, regular girls and women who they fuck and then replace.
But these are mostly Brazilian men, who have money (although really nothing compared to the even most poorest of gringos) and who obviously speak fluent Portuguese.
If you speak some Portuguese and want to have young women to fuck who are not *****s, I would go North and live by the beach.
I met some Americans in the city of Joao Pessoa. They were 50-60 years old and had a different young thing ever other week, usually 2-3 at any one time.
For some reason, the girls in the Northeast of Brazil like old men. My girlfriend there was married to a man who was 49 when she was 15. Very extreme, but a common occurence there.
I would venture to say that perhaps the majority of the crowd that I saw recently at Help was UNDER 40.
It wouldn't be much higher than a simple majority and perhaps it would even fall slightly short of 50 percent, but the point is that the percentage is very very significant.
Not all that many big bellies in sight either. The unique thing about Help thru the years is that even the older guys would try to look their best (and often did).
I suspect the tourists you describe live in the termas. Help is too competitive for them. The girl will take the younger guy who will pay her the same price. The older guys at Help, invariably or generally will have to pay up to get the girl they want.
Guys,
Are these girls really worth $100? I mean you fly upwards of 10 hours (from my locale, NYC) to go out to Rio and you pay what seems to me outrageous prices. I mean why travel there when you can get arguably comparable pussy around the world for a fraction of that and in some instances much closer to home? I mean you pay $6-800 for a ticket and then go and pay $100 for some? Or am I just reading the reports of those who go to HELP and get the "green toruist premium added"? I will not go to Rio unless I can get $25-50 a pop ST or $50-75 all night with 7-9s in looks. Is this unrealistic for an in shape 33 year old?
Any opinions welcome
Travelfox
I have been staying in recent years in hotels and apartments in walking distance to Help, usually not more than 2 blocks away. I have done this because I did not want to deal with the dreaded taxi mafia outside of Help at 3 in the morning.
This last trip my reservation got screwed up and I found myself a taxi ride away from Help. On all nights I took a taxi from Help to my apartment at 3 or 4 in the morning and all nights I did not have one problem from any taxi driver. The price was consistent from night to night and I felt every driver was trustworthy. These taxis were stopped right in front of Help and I just said to them how much or I told them how much I am willing to pay.
Through the years I have noticed as posters below have said that a girl will come out and say I have a friend who is a taxi driver lets use him and I always say no. One time I had a girl who insisted on using a taxi to the Debret, one and 1/2 blocks away, I dumped her immediately. Now if I hear that a girl wants to use one of her friend taxi drivers, I find it hard to trust her after that.
I also want to mention something about the clientele in Help. I agree with Catire that the crowd is mixed young and old and I agree that even the more senior patrons I have noticed including myself are very fit as he says Help is a very competitive environment.
Non-pro: I go out and pick up breakfast for HER.
Pro: She went out and ran all MY errands.
I enjoy a broad range of experiences when I'm traveling. That includes Help, locals' clubs, termas, VM, grungy Centro 'massage' joints, side trips to other cities, and anything else that may broaden my perspectives.
My guess (hope?) is that you guys enjoy the same.
And there are positive and negative attributes to nearly every experience.
Rio Bob
for clarification purposes, I take it you took the street taxis that merely stopped in front of Help along Avenida Atlantica, NOT the taxis that were already pre-parked outside, correct? (those are the mafia unmarked ones, or ones with meter that the cabbie will not use)
I usually would catch the taxi in front of Bob's, as the preparked unmetered extend around the Terrazo outside. I just ignore all the ones that say, taxi taxi.
I wouldn't bash Darknight though - the advice he gave about getting out of hooker gulch wasn't bad. Au contraire, if you can swing it. Help historically has tended to be very good for me, but there are times when it's very bad. At such times I feel precisely as Darknight does (though something keeps drawing me back).
Catire, yes the taxis were the street taxis but they were stopped and parked out in front of Help, several of them. Im just mentioning it because it can be confusing since these guys were parked in front of Help.
I always found that at some point you should know approximately how much a ride costs to use as a benchmark so that you know your not getting ripped off too bad. Also I do believe that during the night the taxis charge double anyway.
Your right about Darknight, he did give some alternatives to Help and like you said sometimes they're needed. I guess I just took offense about his remark about the 40 + year old guys in Help. Hey we need some fun too.
Please read and heed. Do not use the taxis recommended by the girls you meet in Help. I recommend getting to know a taxi driver you can call.
One girl I met in Help tried to steer me into a taxi who turned out to be her "boyfriend." When we didn't get in he followed and tried to run us off the road. I hooked up with her the next night and she told me he wanted to rob me. She turned out to be a very sweet girl and we had some good times together.
Please be careful and don't drink so much you can't think straight. Read the posts and develop some rules to live by. One should be always pick your own taxi.
Travelfox,
I agree that some of the prices allegedly being paid and posted on here seem absurd, especially given that the average monthly wage in brazil is around R200-300.
I suspect that a lot of the posters are rich enough to consider $100 a pop no prob. Perhaps they are baby boomers who made 40k+ their whole life?
I can get serviced in the US for 20 and I still think the beatch is ripping me off.
A guy like me might have to rely on:
1. Speaking Portuguese
2. Personality and looks
3. Going cheap and splitting an apartment with some other similar dude who doesn't mind me fucking the heyall out of some chick 2 feet from him.
4. Finding poor non-pros while they are working selling stuff in stores and malls.
Is it worth the trouble? I suspect...Hell yes. I've had girls from many racial backgrounds and there is a difference. I believe all the hype about Brazil chicks honestly liking sex so I'm saving up and making plans.
8)
HELP: They have a relatively new separate restaurant and balcony with a separate DJ, small dance floor and waiter service. Doesn´t seem to get crowded because the entrance is kinda hidden behind one of the bars on the first floor and most people don´t errm to know about it. Food is good but $$$. Nice place to take a girl out of the main bar and check her out and have a relaxed drink. Lights are brighter int here too, so you can get a closer look.
So anyway, took home a cute shorty named Simone, she asked for 300R but settled for 250R ($85). She hung around the next day too, without being asked, and without any negotiation. I popped her twice the second day, and we then got in an argument when I gave her another 250R, she thought she was entitled to $500R because I did her 2 separate times during the day. As noted below, I am having much better luck this trip with the Agencies than with HELP. The agencies consistently supply qulity nicer girls, not nearly as greedy, during the day, which I prefer, for 100R-1150R for 2 hours.
BARRA DE TIJUCA
We visited Barra de Tijuca, Rio´s relatively new and modern neighborhood about 20 minutes out of town. A whole different worls. Beautiful white sand beach that goes on for miles, lotsa hotels and restaurants. Very clean and modern. Looks more like Hawaii or Florida than South America. After 5 recent trips where I stayed in Copacabana and Rio proper, I am gonna stay in Tijuca next time. There are constant buses that go to Copacabana and there are plenty of agency girls that work BT, see:
http://www.scortshow.com.br/principal.html
Catire, I pay double coz I am so good-looking.
The airport taxis are not generally metered taxis, and there is some kind of airport surcharge which makes it more expensive than an regular city ride.
Anotehr place to get ripped off, as noted by other members, is by taking the taxis outside of Help. I always walk a block before I flag a regular taxi. None of the girls has ever complained. Anyway, I am done with Help, too many other good alternatives.
Fuck them. If you want it cheap, you can get it on Avenida Atlantica or Villa Mimosa, for 50R ($17). By the time I spend the time and money to get to Rio, I pick the absolutely most stunning girls, anmd believe me I speak portuguese and know how to negotiate, but they just aren´t interested. Sure I could pick a less gorgeous girl for less, but heck I can do that at HOME! I want a 10, I just don´t wanna pay full price, so shoot me.
www.viprj.com.br
Rio Bob, what are the $$$, unlike other agencies prices are not listed on the website.
A friend of mine is nuts about a brazilian garota he met on vacation in Cancun MX. He has traveled to see her 4 weeks in a row. She works in strip club bordello. He lives in the New York area. He's 50 she's 22. He has met with an immigration lawyer and applied for a fiance visa. This guy has no life he owns 2 companies and he's single. I introduced him to mongering some years back. He has plenty of $$$. So far she has not asked for any money and is still working at her job. I keep telling him to travel the world and see all the sights. Brazil Thailand etc.
I have had countless conversations with my friend over this matter. many pros many cons.
Is he nuts?
Can this work?
Please advise
"Work" in what way? A happy marriage? Well it depends what he sees as happy. If he wants every lasting love and a faithful wife, no I don't think so. If he just wants a 22 year old concubine to fuck and empregnate, then yes, she will do.
But after a few years outside of Brazil, the piranha (gold digging) Brazilian girls get very arrogant and start to hate the U.S / Europe. It is like when a gringo man goes to Brazil. His standards go UP because there are so many hungry girls to choose from.
Same thing with Brazilian girls who leave Brazil and come to the U.S. or Europe. Their standards go UP when they realize that they have the power in the U.S. and there are so many choices for men who are desperate.
Yes, I think it is always better to keep the woman in Brazil and fuck her there, replace her, and find 3 more better than her. This business of bringing them home never works. Brazilian girls are also not very faithful.
Taxis.
During my last stay in Rio, I was actually positively surprised at the number of honest taxi drivers.
The only time one tried to lure me into a fixed price and caused trouble was because I broke the rule number one:"NEVER TAKE A TAXI WAITING IN FRONT OF A NIGHT CLUB". It was in front of Baronetti in Ipanema but I can imagine that the ones parked and waiting in front of HELP are the worst. You can waive any taxi driving along in the avenida Atlantica in the right direction and it will be OK.
My (honest) Garota that I met in HELP told me outside to avoid the Taxis waiting in front. If she had been trying to force me into getting into one of those, I would have anyway instantly dropped her, as this makes my Alarm Bells ring due to past bad experiences in eastern Europe. This attitude always protends professionnalism and rip-off mentality.
I always drove using the meter and I never saw any tuned meters, which quite surprised me.
Minor scams were to pretend not to have enough change or taking a slightly longer route. However, you can negociate the price on the meter if you can argue that there was a better way.
Latrell
Travel Addict.
clearly despite your Portuguese skills, you don't explore alternative options - this is why tourist businesses must absolutely love you.
when you exit the customs area, you probably walk up to the brightly colored concession area which say TAXI TAXI, and have attractive women sitting at them??
OR
(far worse) - you go with the first guy that walks up to you and says "taxi taxi" and takes your bags?
Do you see any Brazilian using these services?
of course not.
The Brazilians walk past all these characters AND concession stands, despite the lovelies crying out "taxi sir" (well they don't bother screaming this out at locals) and walk completely OUTSIDE.
Then you hang a right.
a quarter of a block up you will see YELLOW marked taxis, just like you see all over Rio.
ALL of these taxis are metered.
There is NO, repeat NO airport "surcharge.
ANYWHERE. ANYTIME.
This is a SUREFIRE sign you are getting ripped off.
Maybe only for the super good looking people. I'd like to think I'm decent looking but clearly I am not nearly as good looking as you.
27 reals from airport to Posto Novi in Ipa.
32-34 reals to Help.
On the meter. Clearly marked in those little red numbers that taxi meters have
accept NO substitute.
I've also had garotas spend the subsquent day with me including multiple "pops" but have never been asked to pay for those extra "pops".
Must mean I'm just an uglier guy.
Oh well. Somebody has to be ugly.
Travel Addict
In your post you said:
"The agencies consistently supply qulity nicer girls ... for 100R-1150R for 2 hours."
Is the 1150R a correct amount?
Ferolga
ferolga777
What I think Traveladdict meant by the odd extra 15 reais is that for agencies you pay the taxi fare for the girl roundtrip.
Hey Mongers,
Will be arriving in Rio April 30, for one month, stay in Rio Roiss a couple of nights, then secure an apartment in Copa, or, Ipanema, for the next week. Then to Fortaleza & other NE destinations. Hopefully, time in Manus (sp) and Sao Paulo, will see. On Match.com met 6-8 Rio babes, seemingly non-pro offered phone numbers calling upon arrival. NICE and SMART, damn I like the bi-lingual babes who offer to show me around for FUN. Ha, ha. Studying Primesleur tapes, hope it helps!
Open to meeting mongers in Rio for MFM encounters. Or just a beer and trade stories whatever is cool, I like having a local USA monger contact. This time with laptop expect to provide board mongers with field reports we like.
Setting up savings account at Bank of Brazil this time around with intention of buying investment property next year or so. Will contact US Embassy for atty. and thereafter begin transfers from a HELOC to buy Copa or a mountain property.
Would like to ATTEMPT, bringing Brazil babe back to USA with me just to see how or not problematic it CAN be. Sun Valley Company employs about 20 Brazil workers H2B and J1 (student) Visas. Actually the bureacracy in Brazil may be just too daunting, fortunately my priorities change when I am in mongering mode!
Anyone on our board wants to meet somewhere in Brazil let me know my iteniary OPEN!
Lon
Zidaho,
MFM encounters? I'll have to pass on that. Speaking strictly for myself, I only pursue FMF encounters, or FFMF encounters.
My theory is a simple one: Four walls, Two balls.
OK
OK guys, was in Rio end of March to mid April.
1st day report and others will follow time permiting and if I can get out of the habit of selflishly keeping sweet memories of Brazil and the garotas to myself.
Arrived at the airport around 8.00pm with my 2 mates and they only left our luggage behind! SheeeeeeeeeT! Straight to the duty free to buy some emergency supplies and I gotta tell you, for having just flown 13hrs and lost luggage, I was pretty happy - why? There were 2 or 3 hotties in the duty free which took my mind away from all that and took me to "wank dream" for what I was about to recieve ;)
To apartment to collect keys and head for Solariom for my 1st time - wanted to try something different, having been to Loumo and Monte Carlo (or as we call it,..Monty Cunty!) on previous trips. This place is really nice, clean equipment, good bar and DJ - the guy and 2 ladies at reception were really friendly and I spent 10mins there as I wanted a taste of human conversation before I got my teeth stuck in to some find brazilian pussy! Go to the bar, grab drinks and take a seat, like Billy the Kid, these girls drew closer and the next minute one is sitting on my lap and then standing up to bend over,..what a view! I love brazilian women's bodies the most of all their physical features, they have curves like no other women.
You have to forgive me, but I am terrible with names and so many girls in one trip and other trips, well, one tends to forget the 1st few or at least the 1 hitters in the Termas. Anyway, I was pretty smashed and the same girl would not leave me alone so I just asked for her number and said I would call later to get rid of her and concentrated on another girl. I was really tired at this point, but still had the urge so I invited this stunning girl, a sure 9 that was in the group of girls we were chatting to back to my apartment and sure enough she went and got her number for me - we had minimum contact at this stage,..just a few laughs..these girls love it when I say my name is Rezza, which means "Pray" in their lingo :)
One of my friends was chatting up an older blonde and my friend asked my girl to see if she was up for coming back too and she said that she does not think it will be a problem so goes ask the girl. Price agreed was $R300 TLN. My friends one wanted $R300 also - she was a 6 IMHO. I told him maybe too much for her or chose the 9 over there, but he liked her and as he saw it he was on vacation and he did not give a shit about getting in to bargaining so please don't go on about paying too much - each man to his own!
OK, so we all go back out of a termas not having done anything. I wanted this option as I felt like actually sleeping next to a girl after fucking her and not just a one pop and Help would have been too much on my 1st night - have day time for termas action! Now I call her and she comes in a cab with the blonde and we start to drink vodka! My alone friend went to bed as it was too much for him to watch us with these girls. We chat BS and laugh for a bit with the girls and go our seperate ways. I think it was 3.00am at this point!
This girl was a sure 9 for and had hazel eyes, tanned skin, long brown hair, she was from Bele-Horizonte,..beautiful! When she took her clothes off my dick thought it had won the Grand national. Performed BBBJ and obliged in all positions and was really in to it - love the noises these girls make and so passionate in screwing, not like some girls from other countries - one is like playing a VHS video, the garota is like a DVD. Managed 2 rounds in the space of 3hrs, to include curled up together, chatting, smoking, drinking more vodka!! OK, all is great at this point. Then suddenly she gets up from bed, so I say whats up? and she says she gonna check on her friend. OK, cool. She goes downstairs and does not come back for like 10mins so I go down and her friend is dressed,..sheeeeeeeeeeeeet! She says they both have to go, I ask my friend, what's up? and he says she told him she has baby and has to go home. Who knows if she is lying, probably, maybe not, who cares? she is going and so is my hottie with her! I know my garota did not really have to go either and these girls planned to just keep it professional and do their 2hrs couple of pops shit. Anyway, I was not happy as I was paying $R300 for TLN, not 6am! OK, they were there for 4hrs, but really only 2hrs of sex so call me a bastardo but I kissed her upstairs and said $R200 is it fair? She was not happy at all and suddenly changed from the sweet honey that she was and in to a mood. I said, whats wrong, we agreed TLN. She went down again and I asked my friend what he paid and he said $R300. They promptly left and no good night kisses were exchanged. If my one was unhappy, then I hope they split the money between them. I would pay a girl more after spending time with her and like her and know she likes me,..like a one night GFE or of-course a true GFE, but there is something in me that when I sense the girl is trying to be a real pro or is not being truthful, then I stick to tight guidlines and I suppose some sort of monger rule!
There are plenty more girls out there so don't let it worry you if you have one not so amazing experience even if you expected one! Tomorrow would be another day and loads more garotas :)
O.K. Here is a list of the agencies with web sites:
You guys gotta try these out!
Been having great luck for half the price of Help girls.
www.ciaplus.com
www.scortshow.com.br
www.karlamodels.com
www.lindasmodels.com.br
www.cassiscort.com.br
www.climax.mpgvip.com.br
www.bvips.com.br
www.companygirl.com.br
www.barrastargirls.com
www.agenciacris.com
Most Americans stay in Copacabana and spend all their time at Help or Barbarella, with all the OTHER Americans, getting ripped off. Most Brazilians would not be caught dead in those places as they are notorious ripoff joints for Gringos. Brazilain men go to the Termas or use the agencies. Above is a list of the agencies. They tend to be very honest and good valçue because 99% of their customers are local Brazilian busniessmen and they rely on repeat business. Note that some of them are in Barra de Tijuca, which is a wealthy and gorgeous suburb of Rio about 45 minutes from Copacabana. You probably don´t want to order from Tijuca unless you are staying in Tijuca or want to pay a hefty taxi fee.
Currently a lot, but not all, of these agencies are running a promocao = sale, of 100R ($37) for one hour or two hours. Some charge MUCH more, so make sure you get the price in advance. Make sure to mention the promocao when you call to get the best price. You are also expected to pay the 2-way taxi fare which should be no more than 20R ($7) anywhere in Rio, Ipanema or Copacabana. If you and a friend get two girls who come and go together, just pay for one taxi fare. Tips are not expected but heck give em another 10R or 20R. The girls where it says ¨completa¨next to their photo give complete service, oral, anal, and normal. This may cost 50R ($17) more. The ones that do not say this generally give bbbj and normal sex. Many of the girls are college girls or are sending money to Mom back in the village. They tend to be MUCH sweeter and nicer than the Disco girls. They have to sit in the agency 10 hours a day when they are not out on a call. They keep half the fee and the tips, the owner keeps the rest. Many will give you a celular number and set up private meeting.
You call, the girl shows up, you pay her in advance ( this is customary and I have never had any problems). She then has to use your phone to call the agency to confirm that she got the money first. Then you do your business.
The girls generally look just as they do on the Internet, but note that the faces are not shown so you may get a ¨pillow girl¨with a great body who needs a pillow over her face. You can send the girl back if you no likey, but be nice and give her 10R or 20R for the taxi.
For those of you with the guts to not follow the crowd, I highly recommend staying in Barra or at least Ipanema, which are much safer and quieter and nicer than Copacabana. You still have plenty of agency girls and really the earth will not fall into the sun if you don´t go to Help Disco every night. I have talked to 20 guys who say oh I went to RIO and it was dirty and dangerous and there are beggars and thieves all over the place, and the girls are greedy and dishonest. So I ask them, did you ever leave Copacaba? Did you ever go anywhere but Help Disco? Nope. That is like staying for a week in Times Square or Hollyweird and deciding that all of the USA is dirty, crowded and full of hustlers and thieves.
MFMFM encounters. When I was in Rio last month I was walking down Copacabana beach one day and I stopped to talk to two black Americans. I had several conversations with both these guys during the week. This time as usual we were joking and talking about the girls and they were getting up and getting ready to leave the beach, they turned to me and said we are leaving with these two girls and going up to our room, would you like to join us? I told them thank you for the invitation but I think I might be out classed in the schlong department. I said I know you guys like to perpetuate that myth. They said I was hitting below the belt. I said I would only consider going up if I could do some closet time. We all laughed and they left with the two girls, I went on my way. Just for the record I did do FMF that week. Only in Rio.
Chuponalgas - the VIPRJ.com.br site doesn't display prices for the girls on their website because all the girls are different prices. The real VIP girls on the front page are 500 reais and the girls on the second page are 300 and 400 reais. The 500 reais girls according to them are real models or real model quality and the other girls are more normal quality. This is for a 2 hour session at a minimum. Hope this answers your question.
Rio Bob,
Are your quoted prices at VIPRJ.com.br pr. hour or pr. programa?
GK
This quote from a Brazilian newspaper below will kinda put the prices the girls are asking in perspective. The Minister of Labor just confirmed that the minimum wage in Brazil is raised to 260R per month ($90). So a girl comes from a village where her father earns 260R a month (180 hours of work), and after a few months, she hangs out at Help and decides that her bod is worth 260R for two hours...
--O ministro do Trabalho Ricardo Berzoini finalmente confirma o novo valor do salário mínimo: R$ 260,00
To confirm Chupa's (terrific) post:
The World Bank ranks the per capita income of all countries, as well as the purchasing power of each respective nation. Of the 206 recognized countries, Brazil is ranked 91st in income, and 86th in purchasing power - ahead of Dominican Republic, Morocco, Peru, Thailand, Turkey, Jamaica, etc.
http://www.worldbank.org/data/databytopic/GNIPC.pdf
The per capita income in US dollars is 2,830 annually. That's roughly $240 per month.
Given that alot of Help girls are now asking $100 US a pop, and assuming that they are getting just EIGHT programas a month (2x/wk), the average girl at Help is earning 3x the wages of other Brazilians.
Benchmarked to the USA, that would mean she's earning the equivalent of a six-figure salary.
This would lend credence to some of the "most Help girls do drugs" stories that some garotas have shared with me.
Where is all that money going? Most girls tell their families back home that they are maids or shopgirls, so they can't send TOO much money back home.
The clothes they buy are very inexpensive. My Rio wifey bought a bunch of thong undies for my gf that my gf loves. They were R$1 each. Those little, sexy tops they wear are 5-10 reais. Jeans are R$20.
A friend has a 3 bedroom apartment near Centro for R$700.
Would be interested in your experiences.
While the min wage might be 260 reais a month I don't think that anybody can live on that. The same goes here in the US, I don't know exactly what the min wage is but about $5 an hour and you can't live on that either.
I believe that this is the reason why girls in Brazil become programmas because they can't get better than min wage and they need more to live on just like we all do.
It’s a business for them; they are trying to get paid the most that they can. Girls always tell me in Help, I work here. Sure they put on a good show, make you feel great, make great sounds and move really well, its all part of the job; it has nothing to do about you. Its work.
I know we all like to tell ourselves that we are so clever for getting the best price and offering them much less than they want and it is good to negotiate but sure these girls would rather take something rather than nothing as desperate people do desperate things to get by.
Comparison with minumum wage is not really appropriate. In the US minimum wage is $6/hr. But escorts of much lower quality than many of the garotas charge 200-300/hr for much worse service. So the ratio of escort to minimum wage is about 40 or 50 :1.
In Brazil the minimum wage is about $90/month or say $0.50/hr. Price for a garota for 2 hours is about 100-150R$ (USD 18-25/hr) So the ratio is about 50:1.
So cost of living adjusted rates are about the same. Amazing how economics works out!
I always have to remind myself that Rio and SP are not all of Brazil. There are 180MM+ Brazilians, the majority live in rural areas and jungle and probably do subsist on 260R a month or less, and have no indoor plumbing, etc. An interesting novel by a Brazilian author, regarding garotas de programa, is ELEVEN MINUTES, by Paul Coelho. It is a huge bestseller in Brazil, and all of the literate garotas have read it. In the book, teh garota lives in a little village and has been saving all her life for her big dream of spending one week in Rio, then ends up in the programa when she comes to visit.
Walking on the sidewalk by the beach in front of the Orthon Palace and Mia Pataca I’ve been approached by guys offering to rent chairs and provide drinks on the beach. I plan to do a little “shopping” on the beach. Can anyone recommend one of these guys to deal with, or those to avoid?
Only Looking,
Did you ever take an economics class? Your computation lacks one of the most significant components, productivity. In the U.S., most workers receive the average hourly wage for 8 hours a day, over a 12 month period, many of whom have medical benefits and contributory savings plans.
What is the productivity of a typical de programme garota. Or, in other words, how many clients does a de programme garota have per day? and what is her expected length of tenure in this line work. Oh, and who pays for her medical bills to cover the costs of treating the diseases she acquires?
Care to redo your economics?
The Chacal
Dark Knight.
I suppose there are variations on where the GDP's money goes.
A lot of them do get caught up in the fast hooker lifestyle, that includes drugs. At least in some cases, girls have a kid or kids to support, and in other cases, not only do they have a child, but a parent(s) to support as well. I met a girl from the provinces who has an invalid father (he had an accident a couple of years ago, her mother died of a heart attack during a robbery, and she has a child to support, and of course gets no help from the child's father. The kid wasn't a result of a stupid fling, I believe she was either married or living together with the Dad for several years.
With some girls, moneys go home, but sprinkled about as to not arouse too much suspicion. With others, a lot of it goes up their noses. With other still, and I have met Centaurus girls like this - they save their money religiously and now own homes in Barra de Tijuca.
Chuponalgas.
has this book been translated into Enlish, or possibly Spanish?
I'd like to read it.
Hey Mongers,
I landed in Rio late this morning, what a beautiful flight/day from Sao Paulo. Checked into Rio Roiss was informed must pay another 50R for a guest this time. Oh well, that´s another reason I like apartments. Went to ATM next to Block Buster Video, then to the Copacabana Massagem a few doors North. Took a lovely (20 something) blonde who I was certain had been in Centaurus last December, she was a 7-8 great BBBJ kept her for 30 minutes, lovely body, cute face, good kisser!! She was sweet. Had a beer and left cost 95R tipped her 15R. Have several non-programa girls lined up to meet this weekend from a dating service (match.com) some real nice talent. Will look for an apartment tomorrow, but right now 7:45 pm, time to check out of this forum and into Luomo. Life is sweet! Anyone like to meet for a beer let me know. I am going to buy a GSM phone in a few days so I will always have the same number whether I am traveling in Europe, Asia, or SA.
PS: Can´t be too careful! I lost or it was stolen from my back pack a brand new (small) digital pentax camera I bought specifically for Therma photos. It either fell out in the overhard luggage carrier while I disembarking from the plane or someone slipped it out while I was sleeping before the plane left Sao Paulo. Hope I can be more careful with the laptop computer.
Catire
Your 4/21 post said:
2) the guy that said all brazilian porn features condoms used, couldn't be more incorrect. I'd say almost the opposite is true. A friend of mine in Rio has cable with a Brazilian porn channel included. Not only are all the performers far more attractive and enthusiastic than siliconed up and fake American actresses, but NONE of the scenes that I can ever remember seeing involved condom use.
The facts.
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=82584
To quote an excerpt here: "While roughly 80 percent of Brazilian porn films are made with actors using condoms, ..."
Minimus.
I suppose this simply means that my friend's cable porn channel in Rio shows the 20% of movies that are made without.
I haven't researched this fully, and I accept your stats. I would also admit that the one Brazilian porn video I have, (it was a gift from a friend) does have condom use in all its scenes.
btw, two interesting counteropinions:
http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary_Navigation=Articles&Action=View_Article&Content_ID=82799
and Larry Flynt writing in the LA Times:
(btw, I didn't realize they had tests now that could ID an infection after 2 weeks. I thought the typical 6 month window still applied)
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-flynt23apr23,1,4531517.story?coll=la-news-comment
Catire,
Eleven Minutes is available in English by Harper and Collins. The story is about Maria from a Brazilian village, who at a tender age is heart broken and convinced that "Love is a terrible thing that will make you suffer."She later meets a Swiss bar owner in Rio and soon after goes to work in Geneva as a prostitute.
The title stems from a realisation that Maria has when she starts working in that although a customer would pay her for fourty-five minutes, after allowing time for taking of clothes, making some phoney gestures of affection, having a bit of banal conversation and getting dressed again, the amount of time spent having sex is about eleven minutes. She is perplexed as to why the world revolved around something that only takes eleven minutes.
Not to ruin the story the book sensitively explores the natures of sex and love as Maria is forced to choose between sexual pleasure for its own sake or sex in the context of love. A must reading and a truely insightful look into the minds of garotas and punters alike written by Brazils(and one of the worlds) best selling authors, Paulo Coelho.
Kapalika
Mongers,
Luomo was NICE! The first girl I had Suzana was sexy as hell at the bar touching and dancing and laughing but it turned out mostly just an act, a disapointment in the Cabine. Too serious about sex, kept asking me if I ogasmo yet? If I knew Portugese better I would have told to stop asking and just fuck! Prior to taking her to cabinne and just after handing her my key, in walks a bubbly brunnet who really captures my attention. Happy with herself, smart, confident, and animated, I like that type. Her name Karena. Reminds me of Raphael who is in Spain at the moment, due back in two weeks. Karena, Gesele and her friend (tall blonds) and Marina, another blond are just simply FUN to hang out with, kissing and touching, dancing and fun. I didn´t see Shayla this time she was a 9 hot blond dancer at Luomo who never ceased to make me want her. After teasing for an hour or two Karena and I take a cabine, she is a total delight! I´d like to have a fellow monger take another of these delightful honey´s into the party room so we can swap them back and forth, then I don´t have to choose between them and it stimulates my porno vouyer appetite! FUN place, and with the right click of girls, really enjoyable party atmosphere. I am meeting Claudia from Match.com a law student this afternoon who has offerd to show me Rio. Have some smart and pretty non-programma girls lined up to meet this week. But at this point I trade them all for a couple of days with Karena and Raphael, there is just something about a ***** that loves her work!
Ha, ha.
Mongers,
I was leaving the Copacabana Massagem about a half a block North of Block Buster Video, and I took a hand bill from a guy on the corner advertising yet another massagem place. He walked me there so I could check it out. It was an apartment converted to a mini brothel. I wish I could have stayed because a couple of the girls were CUTE. Now I wish I had presence of mind to ask the prices. I am begining to like the quick, cheap, sleazy afternooners, where I don´t talk, don´t know names. Anyway I will checkout further next week, along with another new place and give ALL you good hobbyist a couple of field reports. Going to Luomo tonight, to meet Karina, she´s a hot sensually bubbly brunett, FUN.
Last night met a 36 year old law student for dinner. What an eye opener, well travelled, bought her own apartment in Rio prior to getting married, now recently divorced from a Haliburton American employee. Elegant, witty, and pretty. What a combination! Charming she was VERY insistent on paying half the bill. Hummmmm, smart girl, perspective, subtle context, refined sexuality. NICE!
There's a Arts festival at Ipanema today. I quess this weekend is Brasil equivalent of Labor Day weekend.
Im sitting here in NY right now having a caipirinha and listening to one of my CD's I bought from DJ Michael in Help, what I wouldn't do for one of those Help girls right now.
Maybe somebody can help me out, while I was in Rio last month I had the same request from 2 different girls to bring back from the US the same thing.
The first girl told me she has a vibridor that just vibrates on the outside of her pusetta and that one night we need to use it as she really loves it, she didn't have it with her. She asked me if I can get her another one when I return.
A couple of days later I was with another girl and she says to me, when you return can you bring me a present. I said sure what is it that you want? She said can you guess? I said Ill try and thought for a few minutes and then I said a Vibridor, she said yes but not the type that is dentro en sua pusetta mas encima na pusetta. The type that you use on top that vibrates not the type that goes inside vibrator.
She said she uses one at home all the time by herself. I said why would you do that when you can get any man you want for free or even pay you like me. She said that there are no complications when doing it alone with a vibridor, just apply, it feels good, finishes the job, feel satisfied then go to sleep.
Where can I get a contraption like this, the type that just vibrates on the clit?
Does anybody know?
Rio Bob,
Any adult book store will carry an assortment of small vibrators, usually called bullet vibes. Also the best ones for this are the finger length and width ones that vibrate.
And if your so inclined, you can order the online, just do a search on Google for clitoral/clit vibrators.
Hope that helps...
Sent
Rio Bob,
On a previous post, I reported about an experience that I had at the adult novelty (and live girls) shop on Avenida Nossa Senhora de Copacabana. The store is next to a Pao de Acucar supermarket. They sell small vibrators there.
You may feel more comfortable buying them locally than packing them in your suitcase. I don't know what your situation is at home, or how comfortable you'd feel if Customs pulls it out.
Please search my previous post for details.
Anyone been to The Pussycat Lounge lately? Was there 18 months ago and had a great time. No charge to get in, drinks were, i think, 7 reals? everyone was dancing and having a great time and no pressure on me and the other 5 guys in the joint from the 20 or 30 chicks in there. Left with the hottest chick in the spot Callie for 140 reals for all nite. She was dancin and had me entranced so i went to take a leak and when i came out she was at the bar in my way back to my seat. i kicked it live, she said you, me, hotel, make love, i said lets do this!!! Real sweet garota too. First time in Rio so i thought it was all gravy so next nite went to Franks Bar around the corner and hooked up with Melana for 160 reals. More expensive joint there. And the broad was more money grubbin and raidin my minibar like she never seen chocolate bars and pepsis, but still a great time for a nujack.
A friend brought down a few Magic Touch Bulletts. He alway bring lots as the girls beg to keep this compact clit vibrator. Twelve dollars at goodvibes.com. This site is hard to navigate but you'll get there.
I've owned several, pocket rocket, Futataba 9000, etc. The bullett is the best. Simple design except girls want to open it because they think it's lipstick.
Pussycat,
I stopped by Saturday night. This boiate has been on a downswing since management change a couple of years ago. They once had a choreographed show and two small stages with two topless dancers on each stage. Still you can find a good girl from time to time as I did about a couple of months ago. Prices are considerably cheaper than Barberella or Franks. A mixed drink is still eight Reals. So, last Saturday I saw twice as many girls in previous weeks. They have spruced up the place a little. Always worth taking a look.
Yesterday afternoon went to a Copacabana Massegem, Rue Santa Clara, 135. Just ring the buzzer, they open the door. Took Bianca, 100R for one hour, though it was more than I would normally spend didn´t feel like haggling over price, besides, she was pretty. Spacious place. Good afternooner spot, to enjoy basic anonymous punting. Took an elegant, smart middle aged Brazilian lady out last night to Marios. Interesting conversation as she is fluent in several languages. She drove me back to Hotel then I took a cab to Centuarus, first time there this trip. Met Tatiana again who I enjoyed several times in December, she is such a wild and horny and yet classy little **** almost the opposite of the ditch **** from the massagem. And I use that word with genuine respect for their craft!! Anyway Tatiana offered to sleep over or meet on the Beach in the afternoon, and got her number. Probably do so Wednesday.
Today had some leads from a few match.com ladies for apartment rental. A spacious three bedroom in Leme for only 60R per night, and a 1 bedroom with view in Copa for 60R per night. Then Kenn EZ-Riorentals, and Ollson of rioapartments.com have been showing me other properties today. They are around 120R per night. I prefer apartment to hotel.
Going to call Karina from Luomo as this is her day off for some beach time. WE are watching lunar eclipse this evening about 5:00 pm. Karina is just classically BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Hummmm, am hoping to go out with Claudia from match this weekend listen to some Bosanova, and have dinner. This life is very sweet. Though it would be gratifying to do a little business here feeling just a tiny heart numb from so much carnal indulgence. Ha, ha, wish I had this problem more often!
Met this hot little number at Sugarloaf mountain. A real animal! Very oral and affectionate.
Rio Bob,
Both the girls seemed to be talking about a vibrator that doesn't go inside? There are two types I can think of that don't go inside:
1. the old units that strap onto the back of the hand. These definitely couldn't be used inside.
2. Butterfly (?) vibrator - I saw an ad for one of these once. Butterfly shaped piece of plastic with a vibrating bullet for the bugs body. There were straps to keep it in place - I think the girl straps it on almost like a pair of panties (straps go around the upper thighs) where the crotch is the vibrating butterfly.
Pretty much any other type of vibrator would be dildo shaped and could be used externally or internally (including the little bullet vibrators, though they wouldn't go very deep before getting lost).
CW
Chuponalgas, thank you for sharing your conquests with us. I do realize that some of the girls don't shave their body in Brazil but I would encourage your friend to try it. Did she go for the going rate or did you have to pay a premium for her?
Cash Works,
Maybe they are talking about the hottest vib on the market. the FUKUOKO 9000 Mini Massager. It goes on your finger. Just google to see it.
Cash Works, Snooky, Darknight and Sent, thank you for all the great information, I think you have all pointed me in the right direction, now I have to just get this stuff past customs without too much embarassment.
patricia, 21, 4'10' 85 lbs. legal but tiny barbie type that looks like a ****. you get the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url] fantasy without that whole inconvenient ass-fucking jail thing. 300r ($105) for 2-3 hrs, very sweet. she is one of the really nice ones, so please be nice to her. see photo i posted in photo section and pm me for cell phone if you are in rio.
Hey fellas,
Going to Rio for the first time next month and had a question. Occasionally I like to go bareback riding (usually with repeats) and was wondering how adament the escorts and termas girls are about condom use. Are they willing to go bare for a little extra dough.
Thanks
Gentlemen,
I have never been to Brazil but are planing to go in June. I understand that Feb / March / April is highseason? Is the weather ok in June as well? Looking for a nice apartment to rent, clean and close to the beach, rather some $ more if a nice place.
Anyone?
Nightclubs to go to with none pros? Help and the other one, Barbarella (?). I've done the reading about those two, no nice non pro places?
Thank for helping out.
Emil
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UMM, are you serious? Not to sound like a jerk, but theres an AIDS scare in Brazil ever since that pornstar came back with AIDS from Rio. I'm pretty sure I def wouldn't want to go bareback with any pros in Rio. If you like bareback learn some Portuguese and pick up a girlfriend for the week at a regular bar.
Another photo of Patricia, by wide request. Cell phone in Rio is 8115-5207. Be NICE!
Sloth,
PLEASE don't do that. The girls are sleeping with perhaps hundreds of guys a year. Even if they were tested for an STD the previous month, there could be a recent infection.
You may want to refer to previous posts about infection rates among Brazil's prostitute population. There was a good article about an American porn star being recently infected.
That "little extra dough" could be buying you a death sentence (HIV/AIDS) or a lifetime illness (Herpes).
Just my opinion, bag it up.
One more ( I shot some fashion photos for her).
Sloth, please note:
Third Case of H.I.V. Reported After Work With Sex-Film Actor
By NICK MADIGAN
Published: May 6, 2004
LOS ANGELES, May 5 — A 26-year-old performer in sex videos has tested positive for the virus that causes AIDS, making her the third person believed to have been infected by another performer, Darren James, in an outbreak that has halted almost all taping and filming of pornographic films and videos here.
A health official said Wednesday that the performer was known by her stage name, Miss Arroyo, and worked with Mr. James and another man on March 30, almost three weeks after Mr. James returned from filming in Brazil, where he is thought to have contracted the virus, H.I.V.
Two other performers, Lara Roxx and Jessica Dee, have been given diagnoses of H.I.V. after having worked with Mr. James.
from New York Times.
Hi Sloth !
The answer is - YOU ARE AN IDIOT - do I really need to explain you why?
Can you guys in rio please post some pics of the nude girls on the rio beach? I wonder if the beach there is really as good as heaven (as shown in the movie 'Blame it on Rio' :)
Thanks!
HK Man, Nude girls on Rios beaches do not happen, that movie Blame it on Rio was a fantasy it was not a reality. Occasionally you do see a topless but thats about it, here is a pic of a topless in front of the Ceaser Park hotel in Ipanema.
Rio Trip,
Good time for all.
Rio is an awesome playground for men. The city, especially Copa, and the surrounding area is a pleasure ground. The ladies are everywhere. On the streets, in the restaurants, termas, agencies, Help, all over.
Hotels- when you stay in a hotel bringing a lady to the room can be a chore. Register as a double, and it will help. Rio Rioss will permit woman in the room if you register for a double. Room rate was 168r for a regular and 210r for a deluxe room. The desk clerk will negotiate a room rate. Don't pay the listed price. Also, the Copa Linda is only 30r. for short time stays. Ask a taxi to take you there.
Taxi- Make sure that the taxi uses the meter. They will try to charge you a set rate. You will be better off using the meter. The cost for the ride is then clear. If the taxi does not want to use the meter get out. He is trying to take advantage.
Apartments- the apartments are great for the ladies. Bring as many as you wish, and they cost much less than hotels. The only setback is that you don't have the services that the hotels can provide. Restaurants, room service, laundry service, ect. When you use and apartment take time to stock up on drinks, snacks, anything else you may need. Be sure you ask for towels up front, you will be doing some banging and will need plenty of towels if you intend to bath often. I would also recommend using the established services for your apartment rentals. Blame it on Rio 4 Travel, and Rio Rentals 4 Less are two of the services you may want to look into.
Condoms- the condoms that I bought in Rio seemed to be very tight, too small. I would recommend buying a bunch before you leave.
Tours and sightseeing- I would recommend that you get your tours or sightseeing in early. The first couple of days would be good. Once you start hooking up with the different fellas and start hanging out it will be hard to get it in. Take advantage of the tours, they are organized and you just have to show up with your camera. The helicopter trip is pricey but nice.
Help, Miea Pataca, and Atlantico (a)- It is easy to get stuck in one or all of these locations. There are so many woman to see, that you would be better off moving around. The termas are a great time, the escort services also have beautiful ladies. If you are going to help, don't stop outside or you may not make it in. Get in line and go in the club. You will want to go and see these other places, they are great hang outs but it is easy to get stuck.
Ladies- Don't let the lady choose you. Turn down the first lady that comes up to you. She has choosen you for a reason and is proabably going to try to hustle you. These ladies are pro hookers. Keep that in mind. They may seem sweet as all hell but don't let that fool you. Once the hustler type gets the money she will sing a different tune. You choose, it is your fantasy. This is a move that I ran into, the lady comes to you, she asks for a drink, and sits with you for a while playing girlfriend. Once she sees that you are not ineterested she will ask for money for the time she spent with you. She wants you to pay her for buying her a drink, classic.
The Brazilian ladies can be very enthusiastic about the whole act of having sex. I must admit, the ladies that I ran into were the best sex I have had in a long time. BBBj, and alot of sound affects, just awesome.
I am out of time. Rio is special spot for having an outstanding time. I ran into many men that are totally addicted to this town. Once you get there you will find out why.
Stay away from the hustlers, Be safe, and Enjoy,
Double
There are now quality, thin condoms of Brazilian production that also come in MAGNUM size.
I believe they are called "Preserv". Try the Preserv Extras.
I know there are old posts here that deal with this issue but please help me anyway.
Can you guys give me some locations of thermas in Copacabana besides Luomo and Monte Carlo. And how much do they charge?
I know about the one near Blockbuster. Zidaho has mentioned it lately. Thanks for that.
And how much is an hour in 4x4. And is it safe to go there in the daytime? How do the women rate in quality (I know it is relative) with those in Luomo and Monte Carlo?
I am going to be in Rio and June and I want to branch out from my usual Copacabana routine which is starting to get boring!
TJ
I just got back from Rio, after a 4 week stay.
I got an apartment in the Flamingo area as the hustle and bustle of Copa is a little bit much at this point (after 3 trips in the last 2 years).
As TJ has asked for some recent Termas info, I will start with that info;
1. Luomo - Rua Siquieira Campos #143 on the second level up the escalator in the antique mall - they had some pricing deal where it was 35 R to enter if you picked a girl and 50 R if you did not pick. They had a 40 minute "Japanese Cabine" for 140 R and a 1 hour suite for 200 (plus the entry). There are a lot of postings on this place. There were a few good picks and everyone was very friendly including the management. This is an excellent place to go in my opinion.
2. Monte Carlo - Rua Hilario de Gouveia #19 at ground level - similar pricing to Luomo, but not exactly the same. Nice facility, but the ambiance was a notch below Luomo. But still there were a few good picks at this location.
3. Termas Solarium - Rua JJ Seabra #21 - also at ground level - price range similar to previous. The management here was extremely friendly (I do speak passable Portugese). Also a few very nice choices available. I was there a few times and I did see a few "swingers"-tourist. I struck up a conversation with a female swinger of slight good looks (not ultra high quality, but sexy looking). I made a pick from the available crew and the female, her husband and myself went to a room. This was a funny situation as the husband agreed to pay for the professional. I had a good time and cannot complain about what transpired. The female swinger was a good spirit and a real comedian.
4. Quatro X Quatro (4X4), Rua Buenos Aires #44 - in the Centro area. Pricing also similar. A very large crew of female workers and a real party atmosphere. There were many good choices to be made. The place does get very crowded and if you don't like the smoke and extreme crowd condition, this is not the place for you. The girls here are all offering their handy numbers for future meetings. Another good time!
5. Termas Aeroporto - 216-C Beira Mar Av. - near Santos Dumont national airport - this place was also with a similar pricing plan with very polite management. The workers here are all showing with high heels, garter belts, stockings and camisole. This seems to be the specialty at this place. The atmosphere was similar to the other locations (bar, sauna, showers, etc.). The women seemed to be a little "rougher" looking (not ugly but more like an average group of 40 women with all types showing). This place is in a quiet and safe neighborhood.
6. Centaurus - Rua Canning #44 - this is the most expensive place of the Termas that I visited. This has all been reported by earlier visitors. Also, the "tourist tax" is collected unless you speak Portugese and come with locals. You pay 290 R to enter as a "tourist". The second girl will cost 200 R, as you don't pay the entry fee twice. The problem with this place is that you must pay up front for everything except drinks. Also, they have a strange way of calculating the drinks, so keep track of what you drink. I did not find the management impolite as prev. reported. I was there 4 times and had some very good encounters. This place has the most "model types" that you will find at these type of establishments.
7. Termas Copacobana - Ave Copacabana #583 - Room#203 - this place is cheaper than the other places, but you get what you pay for. I did find a "diamond in the rough" in this place, but the facility is so dirty and run down that it takes away from the experience. This place is not rec. by me.
Hey guys,
I’m new to the board and I’m going to Rio next week. I just found out through this board that the Debret is not girl friendly. Can anyone give me some good advice on a hotel other than Rio Roiss that’s economical and close to all the action?
Check the separate section for RIO DE JANEIRO HOTELS.
Most of us experienced guys much prefer to rent a small apartment.
Alabama
Try Blame it on Rio 4 Travel- they will be able to find you an apartment for around $45 to $50 dollars a night for a one bedroom, no restrictions on the ladies..they also do hotel bookings.
The Aparador- it is down towards Ipanema, and they are said to be a girl friendly.
The Copa Linda- is a hooker hotel that has cheap rooms and they allow the ladies. It is about 3 blocks from the beach, area is okay. It is around the corner and down the street from Help.
If you are able to avoid paying for you room in advance, you will be able to find a suitable hotel in very little time.
Good luck
Rio Bob
Thanks for the 'reality' information and the pic. Is that the RIO beach in the pic? The movie was amazing though, in that they showed atleast 50 or more topless girls on the beach.
HK Man, yes the picture was taken on Ipanema beach in front of the Ceaser Park Hotel. Sometimes girls who are looking for rich gringos hang out there as it is an expensive hotel. Here is another pic I took that day. The movie was good I remember when it came out in the 80's. I was already going to Rio and loved the scenes. I do know people who started to go to Rio because of that movie.
Gentlemen,
I will be heading to Rio in June of this year with the U.S. Navy. Onboard an aircraft carrier to be exact. We will unfortunately only be there for 4 days. Never been to Rio, so I am asking for your help in recommending what I should do in that amount of time.
I appreciate your help in advance.
Love this stuff
I thought I'd heard it all as far as a sex scene in Brazil goes, but a Brazilian buddy of mine told me about a deal I'd never heard of before.
Apparently a friend of his runs "all inclusive" tours to one of the resort towns near Rio. He rents out an entire pousada, fills it full of booze, food, girls and gaming tables and then flies in tour groups for a Thurs - Sunday "executive weekend" party. It is a one-price, all you can eat, drink, game and fuck deal. The price seemed a bit steep -- $5,000 with economy airfare -- but I'm still intrigued.
Anyone heard of anything like this before? If you have, can you point out a website for me? I'm wondering if maybe someone out there does this for a little less than five large.
Fartnocker, years ago in the 80's they used to have a place called Fantasy Island. I never went there but one day I was on a schooner in Buzios and I met 2 guys who went there. I think this was a day trip, you go to an island and everything is included, many girls to choose from, drinks, food and a bed.
Also during that time I read in one of those handouts at the airport about a "Love weekend in Buzios" This one you got picked up in a van and you chose your weekend partner from a selection of girls, went to a pousada in Buzios and spent the weekend with her all for a fee. I never did ths either.
Now I have seen videos from a friend and pictures on this website from Darknight of the day boat ride, same idea, you go out for the day and everything is included. This may still be going on, I have never did it but there was a scandal about 2 years ago on the boat but I think it was worked out. Darknight may be able to shed some light on the Boatride as his pictures look like he was on it.
I prefer the freelance as you can come and go as you please if things are not to your satisfaction. I would hate to have paid $5000 and after a couple of days done all the nice girls and have nothing but the dogs left. Sounds like being stuck in the same termas all week and did all the nice girls and now, whats next? Or if the girls are not the best of quality it would be like being stuck in Meia Pataca all week, thats a nightmare.
Picture attached was taken in front of the Ceaser Park hotel in Ipanema, there were several topless there that day.
Regarding the boat trips:
I went once, cost was $50. For that you getn a DJ. food, drink (beer/mixed drinks), and 1 round with garota of your choice. There were maybe 50 garotas and almost as many mongers. If you wanted to go another round with a garota it was R100. The garotas did strip shows and two girl shows also. The food and drink were not top shelf. Some of the garotas were attractive. There were 3 rooms on the boat, and a line formed to use them. The boat went between Copacabanna and Niteroi and lasted maybe 5 hours. It had a bachelor party feel to it. It was fun. if you're prone to motion sickness take some medication before you go, it can get a little rough below deck.
I found out about it through a friend. Seems an ex-pat throws them. I'd suggest hanging around Meia Pattaca and asking the garotas about it, as some of them will be in attendance.
I recently heard of a similar "party" held at the big suite at VIPS Motel. I'm not sure of the costs fot that one.
Does anyone know if you can hook up a digital camera via USB to computers at Tudo e Facil. I want to clear my memory card that way by putting the pictures onto my flash drive.
hey mongers,
been visiting a basic massagem recently i´ll get the address for you it´s on the 11th floor behind the park #1104. cost is 50r for 30-40 minutes there are about 5 girls working and i´d have to say these girls are barely 18. like i say very basic, they do have a shower facility and the girls are sweet. i have been to my favorite place frequently luomo, where i have been having some great sessions with karina, i like hanging out there for several hours, also last night after a rest took a nice session with a mullatto there in luomo who had to be 6´ tall with out heels, she is elegantly long!! great in the sack she seem to enjoy putting out the effort . . . but have to say karina is something special. i almost took shayla last night after she did an erotic dance show, i wanted her in the best way, just dirty dog sex!!!! saturday night is buffet night but they close at midnight so the girls can go out with their friends.
[blue][named removed at author's request][/blue] has set up a web site for registered members showing escort pics. the girls are for good reason concerned about showing their faces because they are 18+ and you know at that age have a large peer group and family here in rio but just wanting to pick up some extra money for luxury items. nice selection but some of them are hard to coordinate with. 1502-200r for 2 hours.
nibu and i are trying to hook up for a trip to vm, juiza, and belo horizonte. ha, ha . . . he´s a trip!
I'm now at the Rio airport after spending ten days here. It was great. I´m going to give you a tip based on my experience. The termas were nice, but I think you can do better. I went to Lumo which has nice looking women who are very seductive until they get you to the room. I picked Britney who was blonde, pretty and had a good figure. She hugged me, kissed me and practically dry-humped me at the bar. In the room, it was a different story. Sex was prefunctory and not very enjoyable. She even tricked me. The suite was one price which I requested for one hour. The supersuite was also an hour, but more expensive. I declined, but when I checked out, I was billed for the supersuite which I did not request. It was only about $12 more, but I disliked the subterfuge.
I had heard that Valeria at Lumo was better, but she did not appeal to me physicaly, so I tried another Terma. Centaurus is quite nice with a lot of very attractive women. I picked one of the best, Ariane. She was blonde, beautiful and had a model´s body. It was the same story as with Britney at Lumo. She hugged and kissed me, put her hand under my robe to rub my member until she seduced me into taking her to the room. Sex lasted only 30 minutes and was perfunctory.
After that I decided to try another plan. I had heard about escort services, but I was afraid of taking someone site unseen. Since termas hadn´t worked for me, I called ciaplus and asked for Giovanna who had been recommended on the forum. It was only R 170 for two hours. It was one of the best experiences of my life. Giovanna is 21 and a beautiful black young woman. She came to my apartment and greeted me with a kiss on both cheeks. After settling the financial details, we undressed each other in the bedroom. She immediately started to give me a bbbj. It was one of the best I ever had. Her tongue and lips were soft and wrapped around my member as she gently sucked me. Pleasure ran through my whole body. There was none of the teeth sensation that you sometimes get with a bbbj that makes it uncomfortable.
She must have blown me for 20 minutes before I asked for a message. Her little hands ran all over my body and relaxed me. Then she gave me another wonderful 20-minute bbbj. It was wonderful. Then she put on the condom and I made love to her in three different ways, cowgirl, doggie-style and then missionary. It was wonderful. All-in-all, it was one of the best sexual experiences of my life. You can even come twice which I did.
I called her four nights in a row and it got better each time although I stopped coming twice after the first night. She is beautiful and looks like Vanessa Williams. I was tempted to try other services, but I was very satisfied with ciaplus and Giovanna.
The cost was only R 150 for two hours plus 20 R for the taxi. It was so good that I tipped her R 50 each time. It was still a bargain.
The operator at ciaplus speaks a little English, but you just have to ask for Giovanna and give your address. Please treat her with respect because she´s really nice. You can get the phone number off their website at ciaplus.
The escort services have great women and it´s much more comfortable in your hotel or apartment. The sex is much more relaxed than at the termas. As I said, Giovanna gave me one of the longest and best bbbj´s I´ve ever had the sex was wonderful. Treat her right and I´m sure you´ll get good results.
PARAGLIDING AND HANGGLIDING IN RIO
Well you have to do SOMETHING during the day!!!
I have flown all over the world, and Rio has one of the most spectacular flight zones anywhere. They are also set up to fly tandem, where you are strapped to an instructor and don’t need any knowledge or experience. Paragliding entails jumping off a mountain with a parachute behind you, hanggliding with a rigid wing above you. Paragliding is much more mellow and safe in general, you are sitting up in a comfortable harness, just like sitting in an airplane seat, but without the airplane(!) Hanggliding, you are prone, face-down, hanging under the wing. Turns are more abrupt in the hangglider, so more exciting/scary/sickening. Here are two expert paraglider instructors who can set you up with two weeks of lessons leading to solo for about $600 U.S., less than half the USA price, or a 20-30 minute tandem flight over the beach for $80. The location is Sao Conrado Beach, which is a very pretty beach about 5 miles south of Ipanema, 10 miles south of Copacabana, the gliders land at the far south end of the beach. See attached photo.
Edu: 9814-6308 or 3322-8735 super nice, speaks good English.
Bruno: 3322-0266 or 9962-7119, speaks very basic English, President of the Brazilian Paragliding Association
PHOTO OF PARAGLIDER/HANGGLIDER LAUNCH SITE ABOVE SAO CONRADO BEACH... KAWABUNGA!!!!
PHOTO OF TANDEM PARAGLIDER RIDE OVER SAO CONRADO BEACH. This could be you for $80!
If you are in Rio any time of year and want a taste of Carnaval, go see the show at Plataforma in Leblon. This is a schmaltzy tourist show, but really fun. Costs 100R ($35, you can also book thru hotels and agencies, but they sometimes add 50R to the price!). The show is well worth it! They also serve lousy food, don’t bother, just go for the show. Traditional drummers, musicians, samba dancers and Carnaval numbers, plus amazing Capoeira fighters (a sort of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu). You can call them at 2274-4022, for reservations, someone there speaks English. Address: Rua Adalberto Ferreira 32, Leblon, about a 10 minute cab ride from Copacabana. Photo below:
Just to set the record straight....
We do not have an Escort site on EZ-Riorentals !!
We do have adult information on the website but NOOOOO Escort site!!!
Hey Kenn, you SHOULD put an escort service on your site!
We will all chip in to buy you a purple cowboy hat and a fake leapord jacket.
Yeah Kenn,
I´ll buy you some cool shades! Ha, ha.
Okay here´s the address for another cheap 50R for 30-40 minute Massagem except most of the girls don´t know how to massage. I like to hit this place about 1:00pm after coming off the beach take a quick shower when I arrive, then have a beer and relax while I decide which little darling I am going to watch spread her legs for me. They open at 11:00 am and close at 9:00pm. Address: Praca Serzedelo Correia, 15, room 1104, that´s the eleventh floor. It´s quick, well lit and uncomplicated. The intersection a block from the beach is Rua Siqeira Campos and Domingos Ferreira/ Praca Serzedelo Correia, this is where Domingos Ferreira ends and turns into Praca S.C. There is also a park of the same name between this street and Copacabana Ave.
I think I´ll try the escort services this week since it doesn´t look like Nibu is going to make it here today. Looking forward to seeing Karin or Shala tonight at Luomo. Raphael is suppose to be back tomorrow from Spain. She is FUN!!! Hope she doesn´t go back to work at Luomo. |I think Centaurus has a deal on Thursday nights, 200 instead of 300R but that could be old information.
A non-program girl took me to a cool little Bistro called Modern Music at Santa Clara and Rui Robeto. Nice!! And another non-program girl took me as her guest to an exclusive/interesting Naval Club on the lake between Leblon and Ipanema, it´s like a private Village; theatre, movie houses, huge recreation area, reading rooms, internet, library, swiming pools, racket sports, gymnatics, martial arts, restaurants, it is REALLY sweet. This where the upper 10% hang-out. Relaxing and lovely ambiance. She said it costs about 15K for membership then about 180 per month US. I just want a two week guest membership! Nice looking women there as well! I like it.
Fellow Mongers,
Has anyone run into the twins at Help recently?
RR
Zidaho,
You found one of the best Copacabana cheap massage parlors in Copacabana. Amazing quality.
Just for your information, the price starts at R$ 30 for 20 or 15 minutes. Of course, if you choose to stay longer, then it costs more, as the prices that you cite.
The place belongs to the same family as Hilario de Gouveia 66 (?) apt. 1103. Highly recommended too.
The more traditional place is Diabolicks (they use many different names), at Av Copacabana 583(?) next to Kopenhagen chocolate store, apt. 204 (?). Next door to Termas Copacabana.
Diabolicks used to be good, but got a bit stale. Too many girls who stayed her for too long time. Cheapest price there is R$ 40 for 20 minutes.
Saw the twins Danielle and Jessica in Help one day last week, but they weren't there the rest of the week.
Hey Specialist,
I'll check out 1103 again, I rang the buzzer last time I was there but no one answered so I went to my usual, next door 1104. Wow, I have been overpaying, I also noticed when I gave the girl a tip she handed it over to the Manager.
I have to say Michelle from the [blue][Named removed at author's request][/blue] was fantastic. Just 18 long elegantly dressed and gorgeous. 2 hours 150R plus 20R for cab. She stood me up twice but third time was charming, and Ihope tohave severalmore encounters with her. I am trying to arrange Giovanni today, and I had Estrella, also from CIAPLUS. She was cute.
Raphael is back from Spain today she used to work at Luomo, she´s a talented dancer and was working at Barbarella til she went to Spain, making three times what she makes here. She is getting a tit job because Spanish men really like big breast, well . . . . I can´t say I would feel like arguing about that with the Spainiards. Nevertheless, she is just plain nasty in bed and speaks English well enough to enhanse the experience with several erotic fantasy´s and fantasy scenarios. I like a woman who can lead me away with her words.
I lost my cell phone in the sand this morning!! That will cost 150R. I think Blame It On Rio has the best deals for cellphone rentals. Next time I come here I am going to get an apartment in advance and order Voice over IP service, so I can work on the internet, doing Mortgage Loans and talking to my customers, have my calls rolling from the USA directly to my virtual office in RIO apartment. Cool, just trying to actually organize and understand how this service will work here is a bit of a trick. Spoke to a guy the other day who seems to know the communication and infrastructure here in Rio better than most, how to get CPF #, how to go about setting up a savings deposit account to use for purchasing Real Property, etc. etc. One of the Match.com ladies is going to walk me through the metro system, to and from Centro, the America Consulate, etc. Should be FUN, then I will take her to dinner and hopefully get laid! It´s MOSTLY about getting laid! Ha, ha.
Anyone in Rio want to meet for a beer, let me know! I´ll post my NEW cellphone number.
hello all
i post in the indiana section but will be visiting rio next month and will be staying at the luxor regente. i won't be traveling alone and would like to know were i can go thats close were i can find some nice women . help sounds really nice and would like to know if they have rooms on the property.
X-man:
There are no rooms at Help. It's just a disco where you find a girl, but you have to do the deed back at your hotel or apartment.
If you're looking for one-stop shopping the Termas are the way to go. Termas Luomo, Monte Carlo, and Centarus are all very close to your hotel. At the Termas you change into a robe, select a girl at the bar and then go to a room on-site to do the deed for 40 minutes or 1 hour.
I don't think Luxor allows Garotas in the room. Ditto advice for first time trip, go to the termas, you can't go wrong. They speak English, the prices are set, they are clean and safe, and some of them will even change your $$$ at a good exchange rate. Price for a few beers and 45 minutes with the girl of your choice, about $100- 110.
x-man,
also there are numerous love motels rep001tered about copa, if you don't want to bring the girl back to your room. the girls will know where they are. you can get a place for a couple of hours for about 8 to 10 dollars.
Last night Raphael took me to a cool little Carrioca bar in Lapa. She had spent the day at the beauty salon, when I picked her up she was dressed elegantly and looking absolutely ravishing. It was hard to keep my hands off of her through dinner, when I got her back to my apartment she expected I would want to get kinky. When I showed her the handcuffs, she quickly offered her wrists, asking for the blindfold, and leather paddle to be spanked and teased while she masturbated. I love an elegant ****.
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Bargain Hunting in Copacabana:
Try Rua Tonalero 173 about a block from Lahumo. No sign, just walk up the stairs and ring the intercom bell by the aluminium gate. This is a fairly new place with lots of room but not much space for hanging out. Prices start at R$25 for twenty minutes and go up based on one real per minute. Selection was not good when I was there, but I'll be back to check for new talent.
X-man - I used to stay at The Luxor Regente hotel, its a very nice 4 star hotel and when I stayed there they allowed girls in no problem, even one night I got in two. They may have changed their policy since I stayed there but they were always good to me. Send them an email which you will find on their website. I stopped staying there because they started quoting their rate in dollars and as a result their prices became too expensive then I moved to the Debret and now I stay in an apartment where I have never had a problem bringing any amount of girls in.
Zidaho - How has your luck been with the girls from match.com? Was Raphael from match.com? How many did you contact before you left for Rio and how much did it cost? Did they give you their telephone numbers ? Are they looking for a nice gringo to hook up with, what is the feeling you get from them? Are they looking for something long term or is it sort of take them out to nice places then wham bam thank you mam see ya a manha. Just curious.
Hey Rio Bob,
I think it is about $30. a month with Match. Yes, I started contacting them about two weeks before departure. They are generally not as beautiful as the Therma girls, but all have been very fluent in english and would prefer to meet a Gringo. I originally contacted about 20 women about all responded immediately with their cell phone numbers. A few are wealthy or come from wealthy families, and practically all have lived in the USA. Obviously it's a different approach with Match women as they are looking for a bit more depth before jumping in bed. In general they are very helpful and genuinely interested in me or introducing me to a friend. I think the Match women are a good source for friendship, and business networking, and of course to discover the more off the beaten track places in RIO. Some have insisted on paying half, none have held out the expectation that I was going to get laid the first time or two that we are together but all have indicated their willingness to go there.
Raphael is, well, I say this with the upmost respect, she is an absolutely totally GREAT prostitute! She has her priorities in order so she is smart and realizes at 30 her most productive window in the profession is peaking. I like Raphael and not just because she is a great ****.
Raphael and I are renting a car for a couple of days, about 135R per day unlimited mileage. See what kind of fun we can get into for the weekend!
Last night she took me to a concert on top of Sugar Loaf. It was a fun experience it cost 50R per person. Then I brought her back to the apartment in Leme and ****** her like the ***** she is. I LOVE it!
Can anybody tell me which Termas have still Couple-Day(Mixed Sauna) at Sundays?
I think L´uomo have this service.
I will be in Rio from 19 May to 24 May and want to go Sunday to a Terma.
Please let me know also the costs for this if possible.
Thanks for your tips in advance.
I used to spend a lot of time in the Miami Video SHow on Copacabana Avenue (NS Copacabana) near the Pao de Acucar grocery store. I used to pick up girls there after they got off work. Once they get to know you they would meet on the beach or at Mabs or Mia Pitaca. I never paid over R$100 short time (at least 2 hours).
Has anyone else met any girls there?
I was last in RIo in Jan 2004, but did not know any of the girls this time.
One blond seemed to be game and when she noticed that the guys who worked there knew me she started talking a little more. She said she would only come with me if I had a hotel?
TJ
I have heard Solarium has mixed saunas on Sunday, but I have never been. I have never heard of Luomo having this, but it is also open on Sundays.
Termas Time
I am confused and I hope everyone can clarify this for me. I have done a lot of research and I do not yet understand the charm of the termas. The pricing seems to be universally higher than escorts. The process seems to be a pain as well, compared to the escorts. It seems I can get an escort for 150 R for 2 hours, while it is going to cost $250R or $300R for the termas and you might get hustled sometimes.
I am going to do both, plus Help, but where are the absolute hottest women?
Also, do you get multiple pops in the allotted time? how do the women react to that ? I would assume you do if it is 2 hours, and all night is going to be my treat once. Has anyone done the 2 or 5 girl thing? I am kinda dying to do that. I did it in college once and once since, for free, but that was a long time ago.
Picture of girl attached. She is a local to where I live. If you are ever passing through the Baltimore DC area I can hook you up. She is cheap or free. A real 21 year old sex addicted girl. I posted this to be kind and as an offering to the mongers, since I have no Rio pictures yet.
Sleip,
I'm fairly sure that the Mixed Sauna is at Solarium on Sunday, I'm not sure L'uomo is even open on Sunday.
I don't think the charges are any different than on a normal day (it's been a while since I visited Solarium. Do a search on it and I think you'll find what you need.
Boozer
Sleip; it's Solarium now only on Sundays, used to be Wednesday too. The only difference in the pricing is that on Sunday you have to pay for the room no matter what because they say that a couple may invite you in to their room without you taking in a girl so their would be no record of you using a room and they want to get their money. But if you get a modelo of the house and a room then the price is all the same.
Solarium also has on Saturday night Ele E Ela where you must bring your own girl for a night of swinging. You can arrange a girl from Help to come with you and see what happens.
Zidaho,
I am trying to join the Match.com international for Brasil, but am having a very difficult time joining, could you offer some assistance and walk me through on how to join I would really appreicate that.
Thank you
Will Fore,
The charm of the termas is the fact that you get to preview/interact with the girl prior to hooking up. With the escorts, maybe she looks like the picture, maybe not. You know nothing about her attitude etc, etc.... Plus, do you speak the language?? Calling on the phone to an agency can be somewhat intimidating to a non-portuguese speaker.
Yes, sometimes the terma girl can turnout to be less than what was anticipated, but this is rare in my experience. Also, alot of guys like the party atmosphere and the abundance of women vying for attention at the termas.
When you get there try both but don't let money be the deciding factor. Why go 6,000 miles to be held back by 100R ??
Enjoy
Hammer
PS Centaraus has the hottest women, IMHO.
Will,
I spend lots of time in DC we'll have to hook up.
IMHO I also never pass up a chance to visit Centaurus whenever I am in Rio. Super hot girls and if your nice enough they will meet you after work to go dancing at a club called Baronette close by.
Termas are something out of the roman era. You will never go to a place like this anywhere in the world with the quality of girls. Try a few and even try to go downtown to some of the local termas like 4x4 or 65.
Fabulous experience.
RR
anyone knows a decent medium priced hotel that offers high speed internet in the rooms?
my first time to rio, and would appreciate the help.
man,
i'm not sure if they fit your definition of "medium priced," but the hotels i know of in rio that provide high-speed internet are the jw marriott and the sofitel. there may be others; these are both in copacabana.
happy hunting,
em
I hardly think that $263 a day is a medium priced hotel.
[quote]anyone knows a decent medium priced hotel that offers high speed internet in the rooms?[/quote]instead of waiting around for an answer, why don't you use the internet to do a little research on this yourself? you'll probably find the answer to your question a lot quicker that way.
Hey Mongers,
Back in Rio after a weekend in the mountains with Raphael. We stayed at Montebello an interesting horse ranch near Tresteopolis and hour or do out of Rio. It was nice and interesting to see how many people live in Brazil, actually except for the quality of housing it´s pretty much the same as in the USA. We went to a couple of parties, a birthday party for a cousin who turned 5 years old.
I found another massagem, someone probably already mentioned it. At 583 Ave Copacabana, (half block north of Blockbuster) there are actually two massagems here. The first I had mentioned earlier, apartment 202, it´s OK. The second just two doors down #204 has better quality, some very petite cuties it was 60R for 30 minutes. I like this place and will definitely go back for a few more visits, seem to be more do-able girls here then the other place.
Last night had Giovanni from ciaplus escort drop by for a couple of hours. My Giovanni was very pretty, petite, and perky tits. Not the same Giovanni pictured but that was OK, she gave a long relaxing BBBJ before proceeding to dance her clothes off and sit in my lap. Great in bed too, she followed the money shot by giving me an unhurried sensuous massage. I wish she could have spent the night.
Raphael and I have been seeing/sleeping with each other every night for the past week. When we spoke on the phone last night I told her I was probably going to see an agency girl tonight. She put things in perspective for me, saying "no problem, though I love you remember I am your prostitute not your wife"
I love that kind of clarity!
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US Navy visit to Rio in June
A couple of pages back Love This Stuff says that he will be visiting Rio in June on board an aircraft carrier. Does anyone know what date in June they will be there? I am planning a visit in June and would prefer to avoid being there at the same time as an aircraft carrier. The last time I was in Phuket the navy were paying a visit and suddenly demand greatly exceeded supply leading to prices doubling overnight.
Thanks
Man:
This is another Copacabana hotel that offers an in-room internet connection:
http://www.hotelportinari.com.br/
The hotel costs about U.S.$70 per day and there is no extra charge for the internet connection. I stayed there a few days ago and they pretty much deliver on what is promised on the website, but that being said I would not stay at the hotel again. Nevetheless, if you must have a stable internet connection in your room at a reasonable price you will get it at this hotel. The reasons why I wouldn't stay at the hotel are:
1.- It's VERY noisy. Both street noise and noise from other rooms is a problem.
2.- It's too "artsy". I have nothing against modern and innovative designs as long as comfort comes first and looks come second. That is not the case at this hotel. You get a great looking sofa and chair in your room, but sitting in either one for more than two minutes is so uncomfortable that they are unusable.
3.- I've slept in hundreds of hotel beds and the beds at this hotel have some of the hardest mattresses I've ever slept in.
If you must stay at the hotel make sure that you call them directly to reserve a room. On the day I made my reservation Expedia and Orbitz were quoting me U.S. $120 per day. I called the hotel and got a quote of U.S. $70 per day.
Can some one please send me the website you all use to set up trips to Rio? I think it's something like blame it on rio, but not sure. Just private message me.
Thanks
I will back what Rio Regular says about the Termas of Rio. From my name, you can tell I am a big favorite. All the customers in the termas get to be Hugh Heffner for the day. It is like a playboy party with the girls doing the samba and frollicking around. Plus, you get to test the drive cars before taking them off the lot. Most girls are more than happy to tongue wrestle with you and will have their hands in your robe before they ask your name.
I also prefer the downtown termas scene since there are less gringos and more girls. 4x4 and 65 are close to each other and I would recommend both. 4x4 has more women, but 65 women were better quality. 65 is a little expensive but not as bad as Centaurus.
That's my contribution.
Termas Time
Joey:
Try www.riofantasy.com
Tom B.
Fellow Mongers,
I was walking around last night trying to locate another little massagem. I was in the general vicinity of this place when coming across the street is this beautiful blonde European looking girl 5´8', beautiful legs even in her flat flip flops, jiggling tits, and lovely smile, I think to myself jeeez what a babe! After about 30 minutes of walking around finally I find the place on the corner of Rua Siquero Campos 22, just a block from the beach above a little Brahma Beer Tavern, with a little door on the side eityh the numerals 2 on each side. The upstairs boite from the outside is painted blue, with 22 stenciled all around. Anyway, up the stairs and in and I am suddenly surronded at the first empty table that I see by half a dozen lovelies, 3-4 VERY do-able. And sitting right next to me the blonde I had seen crossing the street 30 minutes prior. I love RIO! I take her for an hour cost 150R the room is larger than most with it´s own shower. However, for the price the massagems I mentioned earlier in apartment 204 have, as someone posted before, outstanding quality 60R for 30 minutes. It´s going to take me a while to tire of that place, with it´s numerous pretty and suprisingly classy girls.
Went to Luomo last night Karina is no longer working, she had only been there a month when I met her a few weeks ago. She was, planning to do some traveling and I think mainly there to get enough traveling money. Such pretty and elegant memories of her, I ám trying to stay in touch with her through a translator. Maybe she will learn some English and I Portugeese by the next time I see her. I finally took Shallia last night simply because I love the way she dances but before doing so spent a couple of hours horsing around with the numerous beautiful ladies, enjoying the suanna, TV room and dancing. I love the way Shallia digs her toes into my shoulders and her body shivers when I have my tongue on her clit!!! Ha, ha.
The Sol Ipanema has it but I'm not sure it is in all rooms.
Going to Rio tomorrow. Is the JW in Cope chica friendly? I remember some Help girls telling me a while ago that most nicer hotels won't let them in.
LarryOne
Larry
The JW is not chica friendly. Very few hotels along Ave Atlantica are. Some just off the avenue will allow you to register her as an additional guest. Search the forum for hotel names as I can not remember which hotels currently allow guests.
Remember, when in Rio an apartment is cheaper and there are no chica hassels..
Hammer
I’m just back from a 6 day trip in Rio and this was my 3rd trip to Rio and I don’t like what I see happening. Club HELP is going down and fast the girls are uglier and trying to charge more because of the stupid Americans paying those insane prices. (I AM AMERICAN) Club Help does not to have a dress policy any longer some of the guys they let in that place looked like want to be gangster. I went to Club HELP one night the girls where so ugly they should have paid me to have sex with them. I did manage to get a very hot chica out of there she quoted me 500reais I told her she was crazy I told her that 200reais was all I was paying. She excepted that because she didn’t want to bone those other guys that looked like dam bums. My trip over all was good I met a very beautiful girl working in the mall we spent sometime together and she decided to introduce me to her parents that was a very pleasant experience. To my fellow ***** dogs don’t pay those high prices because you drive up the price.
Yeah Larry,
Try Kenn at EZ-riorentals.com he can make it easy for you. I have been renting the last several weeks a couple of places now from Kenn and I was happy with the accomadations, extra sheets, towels, and usually maid service after a few days thrown in for free depending on the owners. Clean secure places a block from the beach!
Last night I brought Giovanna from CIAPLUS in again, about 6:30 for an hour. I am sitting at the dinning room table she is professionally out of her clothes in a matter of minutes from walking in the door. Wow she gives the best head, I gave her a silk scarf when she was leaving after the last visit and she really showed her appreciation. She would have made inspired love to my cock for the entire time if I had not pulled her away turned her around on her hands and knees there in front of the chair and slipped my cock into her. She has a bubble butt designed for cock. While I am sitting there having her twist me with her ****, Raphael calls wondering why I haven´t called her in two days. I remind her she is my prostitute and not my wife. That pissed her off and she wanted to come over and talk to me. Ok, I say, as Giovanna is giggling, be here at 10:30 and we will sleep together. Giovanna spins around and starts slurpping my cock while I am listning to Raphael give me a hard time for mistreating her particularly when she basically does me for free. I can handle this I think agreeing with Raphael as I watch Giovanna face fuck my cock trying to make it noisy as possible. WE finally hang up and I pop the cork for Giovanna, and realize I really like petite girls now.
I take a nap and Raphael comes over about an hour late. She ventillates some emotions. Threatens to walk out and never see me again, I beg her to return. She does, we finally go to bed and she is on me like a woman pocessed, tells me she was late because an old customer from Barbarellas called her and wanted her to do him and his friend for an hour. She wants me to tell her about what |I did with her friend Shalla from Luomo, they apparently had been talking. She tells me she has a beautiful friend from Centaurus who she would like to wear a strap on with while I watch her . She asked me if I was with a girl when she called I said yes. I am thinking . . . I should mis-treat this girl by making her jealous and not calling more often !!!! Thank GOD for Viagra she finally climbed off me at 2:00 in the morning! At 10:00 am she wants me to tie her down and play beat her. Geezzzz, this girl is behaving like a nympho, though I am not complaining. I take her to breakfast, she tells me she has a 1:00 appointment at the Mariott. She ask me if I will go to my new favorite Massagem 583 Copacabanna Aveneue #204. Yes, I smile, she say's your a DOG, I love you DOG! Ha, ha, it´s hard for me to NOT love this girl!
Larry, I was in Rio a couple of months ago, I was at the lobby bar in the Marriott and 2 working girls were sitting next to me. They told me that there is no problem in the Marriott all you have to do is register her at the front desk. It has always been my impression too that 5 star hotels do not allow girls in but from what I can see it changes from time to time.
Americans might be blamed for a few things real or imagined, but from many observations in Help, Americans are not the ones overpaying and causing this problem. After carefully looking at this, I would say that without any doubt, men from Italy are mostly to blame. I am European and love my neighbors, but please put the blame in the right place. These Italian guys are also to blame for absoloutely ruining Cuba by bringing the prices up. I have seen many Italian guys in Habana and Rio spending like crazy on these girls, believing that they are their real girlfriends. They stand in the center of a disco like Help, overdressed but dressed very nicely in a quality suit, sipping champagne and discussing their business in Italy, with a common street *****. It amazes me, but I think that black ass drives these guys to madness.
Larry,
The JW is so girl friendly they will defend you in any dispute you have with any girl. They do ask you to register and you can only bring up one gorl at a time, unless you have a friend that is willing to register a girl fo you, then it is another story.
I have stayed at the JW since it opened. The JW had a problem the second year it was open during Carnaval. They had a "Brasilian socialite family" staying there. A fellow monger didn't have his girl dress appropriately for breakfast and caused quite a stir.
As a gesture the management forbade "working girls" for a while. But they quickly changed their policy when too many of us complained and pointed out that the rates are for 2 persons and we would all gladly take our business elsewhere.
The Marriott's are smart business people. The policy reverted quickly and it stands at bring girls but please be as discreet as you can.
The Meridian, Sofitel, and Copacabana Palace all have a standing "no girl" policy. But I have been with friends that spend enough money in these establishments to change the rules. As the golden rule states " he who makes tha gold makes the rules".
So monger on my friend. I personally love the feather bed and the extra pillows and the fluffy comforter the Marriott delivers. It impresses all the girls so much they always want to stay the night in my bed.
RR
Zidaho,
You DOG! I envy you!
Raphael sounds like a Novella addict. I once had a girlfriend in Fortaleza who seriously thought real life should be more like the Novellas and did everything in her power to make it that way - one example would be sending another garota to meet me at a restaurant then she would show up herself a half hour later, make a big scene and then we would have very passionate "make-up sex" after she calmed down from her orchestrated jealous tirade. It took me a little while to catch on that she was setting up most of these incidents and it was fun for a while, but eventually, I had to dump the psycho b****. She just got completely out of hand - and she wanted to get married.
CW
Sorry, much time has passed but here is a photo of a Barra di Tijuca [i]garota[/i] whom I had a long while back but despite being a natural exhibitionist she was useless in bed and came from down south in Brazil somewhere.
About the best thing I can recall from our encounter is the music she was playing and her dancing and singing along to it.
Anybody interested here is a link to my earlier post:
[url]www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1510&perpage=15&pagenumber=28[/url]
More Barra di Tijuca [i]garota[/i]
One more Barra di Tijuca [i]garota[/i]
Hi there,
A short note about my last visit to l'Uomo, it was late January. First pick was Sandy, a blond girl from the South, sexy at the bar but very poor in the room - bad choice indeed. Later, I went with Marina, she is a nice tall brunette, calm and sensual, BBBJ, rimming, CIM, with a smile! I staid 3 hours with Marina, and feel very ready to meet her again! This one will be hard to beat, but who knows who you may encounter when in RDJ!
Anyway, serious punters would do better by visiting the downtown termas during the afternoon - they all close around midnight. 69 ('Meia Cinquo' and '4x4' amongst the best options!). Much less gringos than in Copa termas: the rough atmosphere in narrow streets and the strange faces of the wise guys down the building look like keeping the place its Brasilian look & feel and protects your hobby against basic sex tourists - anyway don't be silly-pissed when you leave the place, take on your right up to the big avenue, skip the taxi-gangsters waiting for the File Mignon at the corner and stop any regular yellow cab instead.
Cheers,
GB
Zidaho,
Its mimzy could you please give me Raphael cell number if thats ok with you if not I understand and I will play very nice.
Hello everyone,
Will be in Rio starting from June 23. Need some advice on buses to Sao Paulo. I think the World Traveller had posted some info on this subject before. My return flight is out of Sao Paulo on July 12th, so I was thinking of spending a week in Rio and then haul ass to Sao Paulo for the rest of my trip. I have heard that the luxury air-conditioned coach buses take about 8 hours to drive from Rio to Sao Paulo with short stops along the way for food and stuff. Anyone that has done this type of trip before, please point a fellow monger in the right direction. Bus company? pricing?
I will post in General information as well.
Thanks y'all,
Almotu
The taxi gangsters on the corner use the meter just like all the other cab drivers. No reason to avoid them.
Hello All
Can anyone tell me if there are any weird laws prohibiting traveling with sex toys? I’m mostly interested in Asia and South America (Brazil and Argentina). But info on any country would be appreciated.
Thank you,
BL
Hello Almotu,
Here are a couple of links that may be helpfull in your search for bus information.
http://www.novorio.com.br/busca.asp?nome=Sao+Paulo http://www.novorio.com.br/contato_empresas.asp
I will be making my second trip to Rio this October and I have reservations for three nights on Ilhabella. I will be traveling on the Normandy Bus Line to Sao Sebastian (7 hrs) I too would be interested on any comments any of the other posters may have.
Harry
brandon lee:
I've brought toys to Rio for the garotas. It's not a problem. Jjust make sure you take the batteries out, and place the toys in your checked bags. You can alos buy toys in Rio, there isn't as big of a selection as here in the states, though.
[b]Sex Toys:[/b], I have carried a vibrator with me when I was in Dubai, Thailand and The Philippines and due to the fact that I was not stopped I’ve had no problems. I am not aware of any countries with specific laws against such products – but I stand to be corrected, after all what is a sex toy anyway - just another plastic toy.
But in this day and age I am sure the average customs man has seen a few classic sex toys in his life so don’t worry about it. However, you might have a problem if you had one of those two foot long vibrators that looks like a giant dick but anything else you should be OK with.
I had a lady who had her vibrator in the hand luggage. She was just in front of me at the airport security check.
The batteries where clearly to see on the x-ray monitor. The officer ask then "can I see the torch, please".
It was all smiles after that.
So, take the batteries out and put the toy in the check in lugage.
You certainly want to take the batteries out. I left mine in my checked luggage. When the thing got off the bagage conveyor at Newark my whole bag was vibrating. I was with some friends coming back from a trip and we where all really cracking up.
I was just glad I didn't have a SWAT team on my ass.
Yada Yada Yada
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Mongers,
I have been swimming through sex the past 10 days and my last in Rio. Raphael and I have for all intents and purposes fallen in love! She has been living in my apartment as a private prostitute/translator/escort I pay her 150R per day. We spend most of out time together as she accompanies me to dinner, movies, and arranges other prostitutes for us, agency girls, dancers, and her friends as she wants me to as she says, "make jealous for me". She also maintains an established clientel, telling me when she has an appointment booked and occassionally asking permission to hook and scout for us in Barbarellas or Frank's. She thoughtfully calls and tells me when she has a man or men who want to make a late night of it with her and thus returning to the apartment after 2:00 am . This has only happened once or twice and it´s kinda of fun to have her after she has been used like that. I treat her rough and call her a prostitute, etc, as she babbles about how they used her and how she loves to be prostitute for many men. We went to Solarium last Saturday for couples night, it was fun but we expected more. Raphael and a couple of the paid dancers were the hottest looking women in the place, of course the men gawking and the one of two women I find attractive couldn´t speak more than a few words between us very broken English/Portugeese. So I ended up taking my prostitute back to the apartment, tying her down, spanking her with a leather paddle and being a little xtra rough with her, I quess just treating her like a worthless ****. Of course it´s totally consensual but there is something very basic about domination and submission and some prostitutes are able to get in touch with better than others, generally though only when they really trust a man. Raphael often tells me now over lunch that she wants me to beat her today. It never ceases to arouse me the look in her eyes when she says it. Perhaps mongers should know where Raphael and I have gotten with S&M has taken many many hours of gentle intimacy, my most earnest sensual massages, heartfelt and endearing words, and the greatest patience and respect for her feelings as a woman. I think sex can be an art form for the man just as it is for the best prostitutes/women you and I have experienced. Anyway, for me it has been interesting to get into the psyche of a beautiful prostitute and one who wants me to strike her and humiliate her in front of another woman.
Mongers, it has been lovely waking up every morning with a beautiful woman streched out in my bed, playing and laughing with her. My planning our day around the beach and sex, for her planning our day around the beach, salon, dentist, pedicures, cosmetic examinations, lunch, sexual appointments, dinner, and whom we have choosen for dessert. She got all dolled up the other evening after a late lunch telling me she has appointment at 6:00 pm then to meet me at Franks´s at 9:30 as she spotted a very beautiful dancer there a few nights before. We meet at Frank´s, Raphael loves to dance on stage for men, while she is dancing in walks this gorgeous brunette 5´9´´ stunner 22 years old, I later find out from Fortaleza. The stunner soon disappears then follows Raphael act on the stage. I thought she looked good in her clothes, out of them she is model quality! After her dance Raphael approaches her and negotiates details for us, 15 minutes later Zcha, Raphael and I entering a cab to my apartment for 2 hours of delcious sex between the three of us. I will not attempt try to describe in this forum. She was expensive 250R for two hours but definitely worth it. The man is also required to pay a 30R exit fee for the girl and himself from Frank's. It's just around the corner from Barbarellas on Rua Chistine Isabella.
The past week my mornings, days and nights consumed by Raphael, the numerous women she has brought to our bed, numerous afternooners I have had; Massagems and Agency Girls after the beach, as Raphael returns for a nap or an appointment somewhere. Life has been sweet!!! This morning she left for the next few days getting a tit job, she has been spending the money I give her for cosmetic stuff and sexy clothes, buffing herself for a 6 month return to Spain in July.
She has her apartment in Flamengo under contract to purchase on her return from Spain in December. I have applied for my CFP # and opening a bank account to begin transferring dollars over the next few months in the hopes of being in position to buy an investment (rental) property in Copa next year.
Anyway, I leave this Sunday. Fellas, it´s been a NICE month!
Happy mongering!
Zidaho, that was an amazing story!
Thanks for sharing
I had a gf for 1 year that I met in Rio. She spent 14 days with me in april 2003 and later in september 15 days again without me ever paying her for sex. We were in love. Now I all hear you think: yeah right. But just consider the fact that, if she was not in love, why not ask money for sex. Anyway, she moved to Europe to live with me. Of course it did not work. She is not going back to Rio and I respect her for trying to get out of this 'job'. Because even though i LOVE mongering (I had 25 girls last april/may), I do know that none of the girls actually like the work or would chose to do this if they would have had an alternative.
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Zidaho, great story no wonder why Nibs hasn't been able to get in touch with you and stay at your apartment LOL.
HA-HA-HA! I love stories like that. The gringo wins! That's the way it's for me whenever I go down there. I wonder why guys can't have more exeriences like the one below (I've certainly had my fair share).
Salut, Zidaho!
JW
Hi guyz,
I am looking for a furnished 1 bed room apartment to rent in Rio de Janeiro at a reasonable price from july 1, 2004 to september 30, 2004. Can some one please help me and let me know who to contact for that. I have tried looking at the oglobo newspaper web site but i don't understand portuguese so that is not much help. I have also looked at some web sites but seems like all of them want the corporate rate of about us $1,000 or more per month. I am hoping to get something for half that price near copa cabana beach or some other recommended place. This is my first time in brazil. I have just decided to go and live in brazil for the next three months.
Hey Mongers,
Well, back in the good ole USA trying to convince a couple of Realtor girlfriends here that I have been sexually deprived the past month! Hummm, they are not buying it!! Ha, ha.
Raphael and I had a lovely 19 year old 5'8" pretty, hard body, classy girl join us Friday night. I could tell when Michelle walked in the door that Raphael was itching to get her hands on this tall, thin, curvy young little ****. After some small talk in the living room, me on the couch, the girls sitting at the table, Michelle got up to take a shower, Raphael crawls over on her hands and knees servicing me with a nice BBBJ. Ten minutes later in strolls Michelle wrapped in a towel she lays across my laps undoing the towel pulling my face to her mouth as Raphael begins sucking her nipples and moving her fingers over Michelle. PM me for Michelle phone number, she is smart, young, pretty and sexy. Lovely night and I wake up Saturday morning with Raphael pressing against me for a last good bye tryst.
Then Raphael leaves Saturday morning about 9:00am to get her tit job, so around 1:00 pm after coming off the beach I hit my favorite Massagem for a 60R romp with a petite little girl who feels like a little a juicy little pillow underneath me. The place I described before is a few doors down from Block Buster Video apartment, i think 583 Copacabana Avenue, #204, has a tinted black glass door. It's basic and quick.
Then Saturday night I went to Luomo, took advantage of the free buffet starting at 6:00 pm til about 9:00. They close at 12:00 on Saturday nights. Took Nanada cute little blonde that is usually joined at the hip with her friend Gessele a taller prettier blond. Nanada gave me a fantastic BBBJ, suprisingly great.
Sunday the day I leave I call CIAPLUS and fumble through some basic Portugeese to arrange for Alinni to come over a couple hours before I leave for the airport. Mongers this girl is a good one!! Even prettier then Giovanni, much prettier then Estrella. She was hot and sausy loves to be slapped in the face like a salsa dancer while I am slidding between her legs, also likes to slap the guy and speak nasty Portugeese words. Passionate little lover. I had to get up and answer the cell phone ringing in the other room, I come back to the bedroom and she motions her fingers asking me if it's my wife, I was speaking English and it was a woman so she apparently assumed I wa married so I play along. As I am talking she is spreading her legs pulling my cock into her and wanting to listen to the conversation as she is mastubating her clit with one hand, humping me and pulling me in with the other, the phone between our ears. She is getting off on this, me too, reminds me of some the nasty American women who like to talk with their boyfriends/husbands at work while I am pumping them in their bedroom or over the dining room table. Anyway, check out the ciaplus escort agency web site her name is Alinne. She is my current favorite from this agency, what a pretty face looks like Dimi Moore with the cute dimples. Ha, ha.
Anyway, it was a nice bon voyage from the best mongering country in the world.
I would Recommend Blame it on Rio Travel, Bobby. They are located in Copacabana and have apts in the area. Very honest and have employees who speak fluent English. Bobby is American. I don't think Jackson allows posting of websites, so just do a search for Blame it on Rio Travel and you will find it.
John you should expect to pay about 1,500-2,000.reais a month for something nice and safe in Copa. about 2 blocks from the beach + the elect. bill.
R$ 300 girl for R$ 30
Best deal in town!! might not last for long!
This girl has real D or DD cups, is 19 years, has no baby, says she goes to College.
You can have her vor R$ 20. If you pay R$ 30 you can get the room with the nice round bed
Here is all the info
http://destack.com.br/cobertura.htm
Go downtown, get out at Metro Carioca, go to Rua da Carioca 59, cobertura (top floor, go up the scary ourside fire stair once you are at the top)
Weekdays, maybe Saturday too, about 10 am to 8 pm
I always recommend to bring 2 towels to these cheap places. One to dry yourself off, one to put on the bed.
It is hilarious. You guys ask why such a girl works at such a place?
a) these places put up job ads
b) the madam has personal relations
c) the girl is totally stubborn. I started hinting that she could do better. Yesterday I went there, she refused to even see me and told the madam that I was trying to take her away from the place. but she loves this place and does not want to leave.
Kind of embarrassing situation for me. Quite an interesting story, though.
If you go there, tell the madam and the girl that the guy who always comes with gringos sent you.
(O rapaz que sempre traz os gringos me mandou)
Tell them only AFTER you are finished, in case the girl is still angry!
Questions;
I like using 420 on my trips and I especially would like to have some with me while I'm in Rio. I rather stay away from the street sellers and don't want to go through the hasstle of asking people or getting ripped off buying fake grass. I would like to sneak in some with me from the States to Rio. Only personal amount (couple of grams). Would this be safe?? Has anyone done it??
Plus, whats the buying situation like in Copa? Any trustworthy people? how is the quality?
Can also someone recommend a nice apartment right on the beach with nice view that has 3-4 bedrooms at good/attractive prices?
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!
Late Night!
Late Night; just publish you flight details here and Im sure you'll be all right. There are also many people who rent apartments in Rio that read this board, Im sure that they will feel secure about renting you an apartment after reading your post and they will probably PM you with the details, have some patience and Im sure someone will contact you shortly in regards to your post.
Late Night
Would not recommend any beach vendor as you can get set-up for a scam, not selling u fake stuff, but reporting you to police after they have sold you something. If you get desperate then I would try Ipanema around posto 8 (you will smell the stuff, just walk around a bit) as less chance of getting scammed than Copa IMHO.
As with import option - of-course most customs are looking for people to take stuff out of Brazil rather than bring in so your chances are good, but you better make sure you hide it well! Obviously this is not a recommendation as it could ruin your trip before its even started!
You need to find a friend in Rio. The garota's can be good and I myself have found a few girls who are accomodating, but there needs to be a level of trust before you ask them to get you anything.
Take the usual precautions and use common sense in Rio and you will not have a problem to do anything.
I have read a lot about bringing gifts to give to garotas. What would be recommended to bring to give them? Also, when & how is the best way to give these? I always feel lame & stupid about this so any help would be appreciated.
Lotech
Lotech, the last time I was in Rio I had 2 garotas ask me to bring them a gift from the US the next time I come, both were the same item. They wanted vibrators. I posted this on this thread about a month ago and recieved a wealth of information from very well informed readers.
Hey guys,
I have been reading all of your exciting stories here. I am seriously thinking about going to Brazil real soon. Not only for the women, but also for the culture. Just to see something new and different. I been to the Phillippines enough. What is the usual rate for a hotel room and the best season to go. Also how would they treat black americans down there. Also, maybe if someone would like to show a new guy around when I do visit, that would be great.
Thanks in advance.
hello everyone. just wanted to know if anyone ever had to have shots for malaria or yellow fever before or after visiting brazil. I read that it might be a requirement before they let you enter the country.
X-man,
I have been to Rio 13 times in 4 years, and no vaccinations were required. They are recommended, but if you're not going to the Amazon, don't worry about it.
Late night, Brazilian customs doesn't look too hard at what you're bringing in, IMHO the best idea would be to keep it on you. Brazilian marijuana is total crap and the risk is just too great. You really want to make a desicion on whether or not you need weed on this vacation, because there are basically 2 things that do not fly in Rio (a place where almost everything goes), drugs and under-age girls. If you are caught doing either of these things, rest assured that you will be in serious trouble. Be careful with what you do and really give it some thought.
Spent a weekend again in Rio two weeks ago and here is my quick report. I used to spend some time there a couple of years ago for work and I felt like the place had changed a little bit. Went to to Mia Pataca and none of the girls that I used to know where around anymore and the ones that were there were pretty low quality (I guess it could because of the low season or whatever). I went to Loumo and that was a nice treat. I did a session with a nice litttle sexy morena but she would not take it in the bounda - well, well she was good and I still finished good. Then spend the late Saturday evening at Help and found a fabulous blonde (or as they say in BA - a taxi) whatever, she was good and I did her five times until 14:00 the next day. Passed her 150 rias and she was happy and so was I. Did I over pay? I think she worked well and was worth it. What is your opinion? As a general observation, there appears to be a lot of American brothers travelling to Rio these days and since I had not been there for a while it felt a little bit uncomfortable to hang at some outdoor places as I don't think the average Brazilian in general has a favorable oppinion of Americans currently. Maybe I am just paranoid and need to have another Choppe?
LarryOne
Late Night,
I would not recommend bringing anything into Brazil. Last year, a friend was caught at Rio airport with a little quantity for his personal use. Between legal fees and bribes, it cost his parents about $20,000.00 USA dollar to spring him from jail. He spent 3 days in jail and he said it was a horrible experience. His mother suffered a minor heart attack during this unfortunate incident and he blames himself for the heart attack.
By the way, he was promptly deported back to USA. If you are staying in a hotel, I will suggest making friends with one of the front desk employees. With great discretion ask how to get some and if he or she trusts you, it can be secured. Don't forget to show your appreciation because he or she could get into serious trouble and job loss. I am not a smoker but I travel often to Brazil with clients and/or co-workers who smoke, and it is the process that I use to get it for them. I have never had any problems nor gotten complaints about the quality.
Be safe and have a great a time in Rio. Check out VM at night IF you know someone that can take you. It is a scary place but I think it is worth visiting once. I never leave Rio without paying a visit. VM gives a whole new meaning to the expression "meat market". One of the best sex I had in Brazil was with a 19 year old I met at VM. She spent four days with me in Buzios. I just got a woody thinking about her.
Member #1846
X-man,
Malaria:
As far as I know, there are no shots for malaria. Depending on where you go, you probably don't need this - if you are going into the interior (Amazon lots of mosquitos) it would be a good idea, if you are staying in Rio, it's probably not necessary. There are various pills - quinine (daily), chloroquine phosphate (weekly) and Lariam (never used this one, but I think it's once every two weeks). If you do this, make sure you do it correctly - the doctor or pharmacist should give you guidlines, I'm a bit rusty, but it's something like take the pills for a week or two before the trip, during the trip then for a month after you return home.
Yellow Fever:
If you are doing a lot of international travel, it's always a good idea to make sure that your yellow fever vaccination is up to date and make sure that you have it stamped by the doctor in your "international certificates of vaccination" card (yellow booklet that's issued by the World Health Organization) as proof. The reason most countries require this is that they don't want to worry about you bringing yellow fever into their country from where ever you have been prior to your visit to their country. Some countries (Nigeria, for instance) could care less whether you've been vaccinated - they just use the lack of proof as a reason to extort money out of you.
CW
Hey Late night, I don't indulge but the girls in Help do and in my experience with these girls I have found that they get many of their products from taxi drivers. Just ask the girls or speak to a taxi driver they know everything.
As far as shots for Yellow Fever... I know a lot of countries (Brazil included) require it if they see that you have a Colombian stamp in your passport. I always bring my shot records when traveling overseas and I always keep my yellow fever up to date.
Malaria, my insurance doesn't cover Malaria pills as preventative medication. They will only pay if you contract malaria. I guess it's cheaper for them in the long run to treat the disease rather than prevent it as the chance of getting it are so low.
I will be passing through Rio, and am very interested in getting together with a dupla. My last experience with a dupla was a boite in Sao Paulo (Bomboa) where the girls were amazing. i went into the boite and two girls basically jumped all over me. Rather than come in my pants, I took them upstairs to a room. One worked the bottom half of my body while the other did the top half- and then they switched every 10 minutes or so for an hour. But when i asked them to eat out each other, they told me that they were, in fact, entirely straight. To me, this was a mild dissapointment.
Now, I am not complaining about my Bomboa experience. It was a fine way to pass the lunch hour! But, I am hoping that Rio will live up to its reputation as the sex capitol of the Americas. Does anyone have any recommendations for a good lesbian or bi couple, either independents or through an agency? A couple where the girls are also seriously into lesbian sex?
Thanks gents.
Forest
Heading down to RIO in a couple of weeks. Was wondering if anyone knows if there any other clubs like HELP there?
I've seen the posts on the Termas and the outside cafe's and so forth but have not seen anybody write about other clubs whether in Copa or another area of RIO.
Any info appreciated.
Larry_back2LOS
I agree with you, Meia Pataca has been going down hill for a couple of years now. It wasn't too long ago that you can go and sit at Meia Pataca and find some nice girls for an afternoon or early evening session. Now they are very low quality. Also I used to know many people who sat there but now they go elsewhere, none of my friends sit there anymore , nobody likes it, its off limits, I haven't sat there in years. Things change, so be it.
When I used to go to Rio in the early eighties before Help was open most of the action was in the cafes, they were teeming with young ladies all day and all night now it seems they are the lower class types. So be it. This includes Mabs too.
Rio Bob and Larry,
I have to agree with you about the general decline at Meia Pataca. In 2000, I picked up some fine stuff there, and saw even finer stuff picked up by others better positioned than I was.
My last trip there late last year, I took a work associate for pizza and I was astounded to find the place ringed (literally -- they had installed a rope barrier) by very aggressive 2-5s. I don't even consider anything less than a 7 (under normal circumstances, you understand), so nothing was in play.
However, I can make the following terma recommendations, provided they are still to be found (most had been at their respective posts for a while, so they may not be as transient as the average terma garota):
Solarium - Joyce (pronounced JOY-see) Small boobs, short hair, tight body, the only CBJ I've ever had in a terma and only the 2nd I've had after about 40 garotas in Brasil -- Nevertheless, she was hot and got me off a lot faster than I had expected. Shit.
L'uomo -- Ani (AH-nee) and Taiz (TIE-eez). Both a bit fleshy, but by no means fat and both quite fun. Taiz is studying law, if that's to be believed. They may have moved on, but this place always seems to have some stunners.
Happy Hunting,
EM
Bricks, Dogdays, and Ceylon1 I am so sorry but I just read those personal messages right now. 3 months later and I am sorry. Off the top, Ceylon1, we will talk. Bricks and Dogdays, i know your trips have passed but better late then never. Here is the info.
OK, the report from Brazil Specialist, 6-2-04 is a good place to go. He gives all the directions. The other two places I think are good with high quality are:
1) Buenos Aires, 85
Centro.
Walk up the tight stairway and when you get to the first place with women that is it. At the momment they have blue walls.
2) Tr. do Ouvidor, 37
Centro
This street is right in between Rua Ouvidor and Rua Sete de Septembro. I found this one girl over the other day that was so perfect I could not beleive it.
OK, the prices have just gone up this week in these places. They have the same owner. Sometimes you see some switching from one to the other. And if you don't like some of the girls at one, sometimes they will refer you to the other one. The prices used to start at $20, now they start at $30. I've been to a lot of these little places and these seem to have the best quality.
By by the way, Ceylon1, I went to 75 and I thought it sucked. I felt like I was outside while being inside. Plus, it was dark and I could not see any of the talent. And I don't like that my friend. I need to go to 4by4 and 65. I know. But now it is a question of money since I am living here.
Later and once again, sorry to all of you guys
Bye the way, Bricks, where is Vila Mimosa? Is it near Sao Cristovao? Or anyone for that matter, who knows and can tell me how to get there?
Brazil Specialist,
Thanks for the great find. The chicas look good. I will definitely check this place out the next time I am in Rio. Is the girl you are talking about 'Hellen'? How much was the cost? This place is a cheap terma or 'prive', right? Is there a place to take a shower?
Almotu
Joe Francis says:
[quote]Black people actually blend in more with the Brazilians who are mostly dark. I am a white boy, pale as a mother, and I feel a little out of place when I go on the beach. The good news for me, and bad news for you, is the girls prefer banging white guys than black guys. We are the minority and they like something different. Plus, they complain you guys have larger dicks and you don't eat pussy. Lets just run down all the stereotypes you will definetly get turned down more often as a brother than as a cute white boy with a fast tongue and a 6 inch dick[/quote]
While I respect opinions on the WSG, this one REALLY is about as ignorant as it can get! Joe what gives you this impression? hmm..I second what Rasta posted.....I DON'T THINK SO!!!
MeatMan,
I am beginning to believe you like these public squabbles. I sent you a private message on a public question you posed,yet you only responded publicly. I got no response at all -- what gives?.
You cannot change these faulty opinions; you'll spend a lot of time in the futile effort.
Please no more race arguments. This topic seems to come up here often and it just wastes negative energy and bandwith.
BTW, Thanks to Rezza and Rio Bob and others regarding your replys to my questions. So here is another one! :)
With the little orgy parties lets say there are 4 or 5 cocks and you order the 5 girl special, do all the cocks taste diffrent chicas?
So, would I be able to bone all five chicas? whats the condom changing scene with such lovely situation?
TIA
Late Night Every time you change a girl you need to change the condom, this is the usual protocol. On my last trip to Rio one night I was with 2 girls and I more or less used about 6 condoms going back anf forth. So if I was you before you coordinate a party such as this have dozens of condoms otherwise they may not let you in unless you have a fresh one.
I never ordered 5 girls before but always thought it would be fun to have 5 girls come over to service me and maybe a friend, if you have 5 friends then you better let them know that because that is more work for them and I would question if the promotion still stands. Lets face it I would imagine that it is cheaper for one man to get 2 women at a cheaper price is because they don't have to work as hard but 5 girls for 5 guys then that is a different story.
I would like to plan a week long trip to Rio in October and I am looking for some help with deciding where to stay. I will be by myself and would like to stay in as nice a place as I can, that is "Girlfriend" friendly. I would like to be able to come and go as I please without getting hastled or questioned by the people who work where I am staying.
Is it better to stay in a hotel or an apartment? And, what location would you suggest? Is it better to be near the beach? near the clubs? or just in a nice part of the city near good restaurants. I can't wait for some of that great Brazilian BBQ (Rodizio, correct?). If anyone knows of any places to recommend, please do.
Speaking of the beach, is it difficult to pick up the local (non-working) girls ? I'm a decent looking american guy; what tends to be the local feelings towards american men (I am 35, but women tell me that I look 28).
Are the local women open to going out for some food and a few drinks and then perhaps giving it up? Does anyone have any stories to share? Also, where are good places to hang out while trying to pick up the locals. I figure, why pay if you don't have to, right?
Also, if anyone could recommend a guide or someone to help me arrange things, I would certainly appreciate it.
Thank you very much for any help that you can offer.
Please feel free to email me at [blue][Email Address deleted by Admin][/blue].
Take care,
AJ
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Jim,
I just had a week in Rio, I've been in Copacabana. Rented a little appartment just on Avenida Atlantica from an Italian funny guy I met on the plan from Milano to Rio. Apartment was good and he provided me also the daily clean service.
You can find him at www.mimmoappartamenti.com- but there are a lot of other apartment renter in Copacabana.
Spensierato
Jim Defoe,
picking up non-working girls depends on your language skills. Not many girls speak enough English for you to have a converstion with them.
Be careful who you meet on the beach. Working girls always hang out at the beach and they are usually the only ones that will speak with tourists. Don't assume that if you meet a girl on the beach she is a non-pro. Just remember, what is she doing on the beach in the middle of the day anyway? Most girls work 5 1/2 or 6 days a week in the shops. Don't buy the student line either. If all the girls that tell you they are a student were actually in school they would need to tripple the number of schools in Rio....
As for a place to stay that depends on you. Apartments usually give you more privacy and are less expensive but Hotels give you daily maid service and some even offer breakfast......
Question for all.
[blue][Commercial message deleted by Admin][/blue]. I am looking to purchase a place on the beach in Brazil that is cheap (100k or so) I have seen several on the internet at these prices. Is this something that can be found or are these scams.
Thanks
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Jim,
I stayed in an apartment right next to help when I went to Rio in April. I would actually recommend staying in a Hotel when in rio. Some hotels are actually pretty cheap and the best thing about hotels is that there is always great security and they clean your room every day.
On my trip we had some problems with the girls that we brought back from help with regard to the girls being too wild. Eventually the girls were kicked out, but it also turned out that we too were kicked out and none of our money was refunded. supposedly this is the normal policy with brazil apartment rentals. With a hotel, I am pretty sure that we would have received some warning at worst, but we would not have been out 800 dollars
With regard to regular girls, I did not have that much luck. I did not speak the language and I am sure that there are plenty of brazilian guys more that happy to bone regualar chicks. Additionally, one thing that I noticed is that brazilian guys take care of themselves. Most are in pretty good shape with a tan. It was hard to compete. The best advice for not paying is go to help and have a lot of fun with the girls there. There were several women that attacked me asking me to take them home. I was not in the mood all the time so I usually said that I did not have money. They sometimes persist and you can take them back and not pay them. My best move if I really did not want to have sex with them was to say that I don't use condoms. This usually did the trick, but some still persisted.
Good luck and have fun
Jim,
An appartment is great as it gives you lots of freedom (you can bring as many chicks you want at any time of the day etc). However, the advantage of a hotel is that you have more security. I know it is a pain in the ass but at the hotel the girls actually have to register and leave her id at the reception which is actually a good thing and for your protection - remember that lots of the girls in Copa are pretty hardcore and not the most stable ones around. I actually got pretty friendly with one "nice" girl at Help a couple of years ago and she sometimes would point out the ladies to watch out for and it is not uncommon that many of them tries to take advantage of you and tries to rip you off especially if you have been sippin them capirihas to much during the night. I have done both and in my oppinion there are pros and cons that only you can decide on what fits you the best. If you are in an appartment you are pretty much on your own. On the other hand if you like to sample more than one specimen at the same time many hotel will only allow you to bring one guest at a time up which I learned the hard way (not fun as I had two lovlies ready to go). Remember that there are some pretty cheap sex hotels that actually are very cool with mirrors cool beds that are easily availalbe in Copa that are easy to just eat the cost of and walking out of if the girl(s) start to give you shit.
Jim, you might find some Brazilian girls who speak English in Ipanema. I heard a lot of English spoken in Ipa recently, typically between what looked like American exchange students, etc and their Brazilian counterparts.
That would be the scene you'd need to plug yourself into which could be difficult on a short vacation and without contacts, though if you hear it spoken you can always be brave and outgoing, and bump into the conversation and take it from there.
There was an organic kilo place just by Ipa's Porcao where I heard it spoken almost nightly.
Forget about hooking up with a non pro in Copa or trying your tactics in Copa.
Copa exists for tourists, mostly of the sex variety and hookers.
Fellow gents:
American Airlines is offering a next weekend (6-25 thru 6-28) fare to fom Miami-Rio Janeiro for $469.00 all fees included!
Have a nice trip and play safe!
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At least I now know who to blame.
Ferolga
I was asked by a friend of #3 in the post to please remove it, so I did.
If any of you guys like older women 35 and older. Visit one of the dancerias in O Centro, I 've not been to Rio in awhile but Estudiante was a great place for me. A dinner and taxi fare did the trick.
Enricos
Thank you. Sometimes it's nice to go out with someone that you are sure is of age. Could you tell us a bit about the setup? I mean, there are women over 35 that look sexy and are fighting the passage of time with every trick in the book, and there are those that look like hags.
Thank you,
Ferolga
Yes, Bobby aka blameitonRio aka Gringomanagement is great, they are so great that I decided to blacklist them after using their services for the first time.
They are the most unreliable guys I've ever met. I wouldn't recommend even my worst enemy to book an apartment with them, unless you are looking for a bug-infested shithole in the middle of nowhere (4km from Help), with no sheets in the beds and with dirty linen thrown in the bathroom, which is where I arrived my first night of my holiday, instead of the nice, clean, bright, and well-located ('within walking distance of Help' according to David's words) apartment that I was supposed to find.
My advice is to avoid them like the plague.
If you want an apartment book it with ANYONE else, it won't be worse than gringomanagement, that's for sure.
If you want to know where NOT to book your apartment, this is the webpage to avoid: www.gringomanagement.com
Wait, are you saying that blameitonrio4travel and gringomanagement are the same people?
I had heard bad things about Bobby @ blameitonrio4travel and steered away from using them. I have only heard raves about gringomanagement. I used them on my last trip and had no problems and would actually recommend them to anyone. I'd be surprised if they are the same people.
Rio Travelers,
Bobby at BlameitonRio and David at Gringomanagement have overlapping interest (they help each other ocassionally) but they are not in business together. Alot of people give Bobby negative reviews, personally he has helped me with issues in the past and I have rented cellphones from him. He was always helpful in my limited experience.
I have rented from David 16 times in 2 years and have NEVER had a bad experience. I would venture to say that the previous poster had an extremely out of the ordinary experience. I would highly recommend Gringomanagement .....
Hammer
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Just to clarify why I consider those 2 losers as only one business, even if in theory they may be registered as different companies.
I booked my apartmet in advance before arriving in Rio through the gringomanagement website and dealt with David. He looked a good guy, but when I arrived in Rio what I found was what I already described below: an unacceptable shithole that had nothing to do with what I had booked.
The guy that did the airport transfer gave me the BlameitonRio card and told me to go to their office to sort it out. It took me a few days to find another apartment (it was high season -at the end of last year- and all seemed to be taken, even hotels were fully booked), obviously I booked the next apartment with a different rental agent, but in the meantime I had to go several times to the Blameitonrio office and dealt with both Bobby and David as well as a girl that was employed there. I got the feeling it was just a single company with different names because they operated together in my case.
Regardless of whether or not they have independently registered companies it seemed quite clear to me that they were operating as a joint business.
To be honest, they didn't look bad guys, they are simply incompetent, disorganised, unreliable and negligent. My first experience with them was so dreadful that I am not going to try them again 20 more times to check if that was just a one-off experience. Once was enough for me.
And that is why I wouln't recommend any of those 2 losers to anyone else.
Gladiator,
That is a fair explaination of why you do not like the services. Now lets talk about all the beauitful women and the fun you can have in Rio. You go to Rio to have the time of your life. I do at least. The women in Ipanema beach in front of Ceasar Park hotel and all along Ipanema. I love to walk there on a Sunday and just look and enjoy the surroundings. After that I go to Solaium. Nice way to end the Sunday.
Any of you extra-smart fellas who frequent this area notice that Mr. "Love Rio Women" has about 5 posts, and every one of them is either a defense or a glowing review of BlameitonRio travel?
Smell a rat? I do.
I have also dealt with both Bobby and David and they do have some kind of affiliation. Bobby can be a little slow returning e-mails but not more than a day or two. Last visit I had a couple of minor problems ( not enough towels), Bobby sent a girl over an hour later with towels and extra sheets.
I know a couple of American guys in Rio that say Bobby is a good guy. I have talked to Bobby a couple times while out at night (MP, Terraco) and he always seems like a great guy to me. I have used Bobby or David on 4 different Rio trips and each time they have set me and my buddies up nicely.
Point is--nobody can gurantee a perfect thing, but I'll take my chances with these guys.
This is not an advertisment--but just my experience (no I am not Bobby or David)
Later
All that know the Rio scene know that Bobby and Blamitonrio provide no service whatsoever. They are to be avoinded at all costs. Can I be clearer.?
Take care
Latintraveller
Love Rio Women
What have you been smoking pal?
As anyone that has ever done business with me knows my phone is on from the time I wake up in the morning about 7am until 9 or 10 PM every night 7 days week..
I also answer my e-mails personally and usually within 24 hours of receipt of them. I'm not perfect but I do try.
I have had many people ask me what I think about Bobby and I always tell them that I don't think about Bobby.
An office, what difference does that make when you can't get what you want anyway.
You might also be surprised to see that you might get the same prices on Travel, just by going to the Airlines website yourself.
All, Don't take the bait. I'ts obvious who it is. Best not to waste valuable forum space on shilling.
Went to Solarium Terma the other evening - my first time. The guy at the front desk spoke good English and was a comedian. One of the things that raised a red flag for me was his joking about if I want to leave a tip when I´m done. The only reason I thought anything odd about it was that last year on my first trip here, I had the front desk girl at Quatro y Quatro ask me if I wanted my change after telling me how cheap it was for Americans. This guy also made a funny line about how cheap it is for me.
Well, my instincts were right (not good enough for me to be paranoid afterwards). As part of his jokes afterwards he throws in if I wanted to tip. I laughed and told him if I tipped anybody it would be the girl. My bill was R231 and I gave R251. I was still talking with him when the girl that worked the register handed me what I thought was two tens and the ticket to give the guy out front. I didn´t pay attention much as I took it as I was still talking to the guy. When I get out the door and take the ticket off the top of my money, I notice there is only one ten. I look back to see if I dropped it, but I know I didn´t.
I should have gone back in and confronted the guy, but instead I just said "F... this place" to myself since I immediately new I wouldn´t be coming back after this kind of crap.
I´ve travelled a lot in non-first-world countries, and I still have a problem with this kind of "f... with the rich American" BS. I´ve been to Luomos twice in my four days here already, and I haven´t had any of this attitude come up at all. The three times I went to Luomos last August, I also had no attitude or games run on me.
So far I´ve hit four termas in both of my visits and I have to say I like Luomos the best all-around.
Have any of you other guys got this BS treatment at any of the termas?
Checked out Help last night for the first time this trip. I thought it was good to check on a Saturday night. I would have to agree with the crowd that says Help does not have good, quality women.
I´ll admit I think I´m rather selective. Out of the apparently several hundred women there I thought I would find several that would make me stare. Really - I counted maybe 5-6 women I would rate a 7, and maybe two that I would give an 8. No 9´s or 10´s. The two 8´s were out on the dance floor, and one of them was with another guy. Keeping to the spirit of "it only takes one", I ended up very happy with this pick. It was a R300 quote that I got down to R200 - but I could see why she would ask that in a place like this when one looks at her competition. I think she only came down in price since we connected pretty well and I don´t come off as too much of a dork - but what do I know.
I don´t feel too excited to spend much time at Help on this trip. I´ll probably stop in now and then for a change of pace - but it is pretty amazing that out of all the women there, the quality is low.
JAK that is $3!!!! Relax and enjoy yourself!
Solarium is the only place they pull the tip bullshit. I just laugh and walk out. Why the fuck should I tip the desk people? Luomo is a class act. Small compared with the Centro places but great attitudes from the desk, the girls and the bar tender make it worth the while.
I dealt with the David/Bobby combo o my first trip. I had a lot of problems with the apartment (bathroom, AC etc). I was moved after a couple of days and Bobby did try to make it up to me by giving me some money back and a free city tour.
Bobby is a nice guy but the next time I went I got a MUCH better and MUCH cheaper apartment from another contact.
Blameitonrio and Gringo management deal with novice Americans but once you know a little better you can do much better for yourself.
Jak,
I was in Rio last month for a week. The only negative I had in the termas was at Soarium. A couple of girls kept bugging me for drinks, I have never had this happen (in a termas) but still no big deal.
My first few times in Rio I always thought Monte Carlo was the best but my last 2 visits L'oumo has the better selections. For performance and price 4x4 is really hard to beat. Met a girl named Stella at 4x4--she speaks perfect english, said she lived in Colorado for 6 years as an exchange student. She says she loves sex and likes giving head the entire hour if the guy she is with is into it (she also likes anal--not my thing though). Stella is really cool to talk with. I took her for the hour in one of the simple suites, she gave me about a half hour of BBBJ while I laid back and watched the porn on the mounted TV. After this we went through all the poaitions. Great girl.
It's almost hard to have a bad time in a termas. If anyone is interested I'll give you run-down on the others I visited.
Later
Anybody got a lead on an apartment or condo for rent in Sao Conrado?
Bobby must be desperate to be posting here under other names. I guess his poor reputation and poor work ethic is finally catching up with him. Maybe his business is failing also? It seems that he could be his own worst enemy.
jak-
actually i had a very good time at solarium when i went a couple of months ago.....when i first got there i was explained how the system worked. (i misunderstood the guy, i thought he said pay the girl directly. my bad). anyway i had a great time with my fist selection...jennifer a tall dark hair thin (average) beauty. she was a sexual animal that pratically threw me on the bed and raped me. (no complaints...it was great) lots of dfk, bbj, daty, cfs (twice in the 40 mins)...gave her the r$100. went back up to the bar, lots more dfk, she kept putting her hand in my robe and grabbing my sausage and stroking away....
oooh ya...
next girl (i had to ditch jennifer, as i had my eye on this one since i walked in.) this next one michele, a elisha cuthbert lookalike.....not as agressive as the first girl, but it was like taking the virginity from the cute girl next door. she seemed very inexpierienced and nieve. but she was soooo cute made up for it. gave her the $r100...
i honestly thought they told me to pay the girl directly when i came in. i went down stairs my bill (two girls, one of them twice) a few beers a few drinks for the girls. $r370.....
when i got to the front desk they told me $r200 cash (for the girls) plus $r170 for every thing else. i explained what i did and what i thought they said. the guy said no problem, went and talked to the girls, got the $$ came down and said ok just the $r170...put it on mastercard....on my way...they were very nice.
had an equally good time at 4x4.
i did take a couple of girls from help back to my hotel. ok with that. one did spend the whole night for just $r150. good deal!
but then she did not want to leave in the am, she wanted to spend some time with me.....for free...i wanted to move on and just relax to i kicked her out......
all in all i had a great time....9 girls in 5 days...all fairly hot....
total spent on girls about $r1000...around $300usd....great deal since most us escorts want that for 1 hour......
A question for those who have experience with Rio escort services:
I have seen several glowing reports regarding these in my research preparation for my upcoming trip in September. As many of you know, here in the U.S. if you use an escort, she (or the agency) will quote a rate for "up to an hour." Of course that means as soon as you pop, the girl has her clothes on and is out the door before you blink, even if it's only been 20 minutes.
My question is; what is the deal with the Rio escort services? Does the girl stay for the entire time agreed to (1 hr., 2 hrs.) for as many times as you can go in the time alotted? Do they tend not to be clock watchers?
Also, one of the posters here said that many of the girls will give you their number in order to contact them outside the agency. What's in it for you if she does that? Obviously she doesn't have to share her fee with the agency, but does she usually charge less (100 reis agency rate seems pretty cheap to begin with) or do you pay the same rate, but get more time, etc?
Thanks. I have several years of experience in Thailand, but am a newbie to the Rio scene and appreciate any advice.
Will be getting into Rio this Wednesday. Want to rent a cell phone. Any recommendations with least amount of hassle? I only know about BlameItOnRio place next to the Tudo e Facil internet cafe. Come to think of it I think they rent phones there also. Which is the best option?
Thanks in advance,
Almotu
Hello guys,
All my experience is in SE ASIA, so I need to make some very quick travel arrangements for RIO. I'm in the SW USA right now, and would like to go to RIO within two weeks.
If anyone can PM me with info on exactly where to stay(honest apartment broker?), best agency/place for prettiest young girls, and any other helpful info. Also what's the fastest way to get a VISA?
I have looked through nearly all the pages here, but accurate information seems to be hard to find. Thanks!!!
Jak, re: tips
I've gotten the "add a tip?" question a number of times at 4x4, but never at Solarium. I took the advice of a friend, and when they ask, I smile and say, "Não obrigado." (No thank you.) After a few times, they quit asking.
I did give a tip in 4X4 when the service was provided.
There was one time, I lost my key and did not know how long I lost it. So, I talked to the girls at front desk. They were very helpful. Asked me how many drinks I had and girls, etc. They set up a new bill for me. Immediately provided me a new key and helped to move my stuff to a new box.
Carla Escort is my favorite. If you do not like what they send just send them back. Sometimes they send someone you did not ask for. Sometimes they are better and some times not. The girls most of the time stay for the entire time. It depends on you and her. That is from my experience. The girls give you there number so you can call them direct. They become friends not just working girls. That happens alot with Rio girls. You will love it.
Agency questions:
The girls tend not to be clockwatchers, and if you treat them nice and offer a soda, they are in no hurry to leave. HOWEVER, the agency IS a clockwatcher, and the girls are required to call in when they arrive and when they leave, so, especially if it is a busy night, they will be under pressure to leave. The 2 pop is pretty much up to the girl, but if you pay for 2 hours there should be no problem, wouldn't hurt to give the poor girl a tip tho!
If you make arrangements see the girl outside the agency she will generally be more relaxed and you can take her to lunch, beach, Sugarloaf, etc., without worrying about time constraints. Many of the girls are quite charming and nice, so you may enjoy this, especially if you speak some Portuguese. I suppose you could argue that you should pay half price, since they don't have to split with the agency, but hey 100R =$33, so come on, be a nice guy!
Shouldn't all of us frequent travellers be saavy enough to get our own apartment and not use these guys everyone is ranting about? Those guys (Bob, etc.) are great for when it's your first time in Rio and you don't know any better. For gosh sakes! Learn Portuguese and find your own places.
How is the Brazillian girl compared 2 for instance the Thai bargirl in that they will immediatly act as your girlfriend. Attach themselfs to you and then try and scam as much money out of you as possible (I'm not saying that this is all the girls, but alot of them).
What is the main difference between the Brazillian girl and the Thai girl?
Does anyone know if the HELP disco has a website on the internet or otherwise if there is any other contact info!
Thanx guys!
Dutch Boy,
I was on it maybe 4-5 months ago and I will try and find it again and post it here. Loads of pics so good idea of the girls. The web address is not anything normal though, it was numeric like www.9883938888ht.com. Something really stupid that would not be searchable even in google.
HELP Disco:
http://80.78.233.178/index.htm
Dutch Boy,
It's been a number of years since I've been to either place, but I have to say that of all the cultures/nationalities I've encountered, Thai and Brazillian women are my favorite. I can't decide which is best, I'd really like a woman who was half of each, or better yet, have at least one of each.
Thai women tend to be rather shy - I always found it annoying when, after spending an hour with them at the bar, you go back to your hotel room and the first thing they do is turn off the lights and say "I shy, I shy" (believe it or not, one of my buddies got this from the "banana girl" from one of those live shows). In some cases, the only way to get them to turn the lights back on is to accuse them of being a lady boy. Most of the Thai girls I was with were very passive/docile - also very talented at giving massages, liked to bathe me and, I suppose "pamper" me.
Brasillieras tend to be very passionate and seem to really enjoy/flaunt their femininity. They usually take pride in the way they look and enjoy showing off their body. They are more aggressive than Thai women when it comes to sex and getting what they want out of sex - Brasillieras expect you to be good in bed as well, where I think a lot of Thai girls would prefer that you're good in bed but they wouldn't think of complaining if you weren't. Brasillieras will also "pamper" you, but it's generally more festive, intended to lead up to more sex where Thai "pampering" seemed to be geared more towards total relaxation.
As far as the money thing goes - the only place I've ever been ripped off by pro's (or non-pro's, for that matter) is in the good ole USA. So, I can't give you a comparison there. Sounds to me from your post that if you're worried about spending too much money on a girl, then limit yourself to STR's - don't let her spend the night, don't take her to lunch, just take care of business and kick her out. Me, if I find a girl I really enjoy being with, I prefer the all nighters & if I wind up spending a couple days or weeks with her, it's still going to be cheaper than if I were doing the same thing in the USA with a non-pro - just make sure she knows that it's a temporary thing that's not leading up to marriage or any sort of relationship that lasts beyond your vacation.
CW
Try this:
http://www.discoteca-help.com/
Bandy
Dutch Boy,
Thai girls in general are better than Brazilians at making you believe that they really like you, it is much easier to find girlfriend-style pros in Bangkok, Pattaya or Phuket than in Rio. Pros in Rio tend to have a more professional attitude, even though you will still come across some real sweeties now and then, but not as often as in Thailand.
hello guys. leaving for bazil next week for 9 days. I'm a little confused about the money over there. I always travel with travelers checks but was told that the exchange rate is terrible on them plus the are not widely accepted over there. would like to know if I could just bring cash and is cash widely acceptable or will I have to exchange them for reals.
thanx for any help
Don't bother taking much cash, you can use your ATM card in most ATM's (Look for the PLUS sticker) and you get a better exchange rate than changing cash.
X MAN
I have not been down since January so things may have change a little, but I doubt it.
I never travel with lots of cash when going to Brazil. There really is no need. At times I will take out $400 US dollars before leaving to pay for an apartment or something.
However, it is just easier to use the ATM machines once in Rio. There is a Banco do Brasil in the airport that takes our cards. However, the most popular spot for gringos seems to be the Citibank inside the Blockbuster Video on Avenida NS Copacabana.
The thing about ATMs is that they give you the last quoted exchange rate. Other services seem to give you lower rates or the street rate. In no instance do I think you will ever get anything better than the official exchange rate which is what ATMs provide.
Plus, besides some services like my apartment renter, few people accept foreign dollars. So really there is no need to bring them unless you KNOW someone who will take them. JUst use the ATMs.
One warning is that there is a maximum daily withdrawal. I cannot remember what it is. That is why I have made sure my apartment renter takes US dollars. That way I do not have to worry about maxing out before hitting the beach and bars.
Can somebody let him know what the max. daily withdrawal is nowadays?
TJ
X-man,
I think many posts have been made in the past about the ATM´s in Rio, and each time there were some posters that said enough of this conversation already.
Nevertheless, I have a card that works for the Cirrus and Plus system. The only bank I´ve found to accept my card is the HSBC bank. There are two on Copacabana Avenue about a five to ten minute walk in either direction from the Help disco area. I can´t use it in about seven or eight other ones I tried. I´m glad I used the one at the airport on the second floor after immigration before coming into the city. Also, when I used the ATM on Saturday (they have a R1,000 daily limit), it wouldn´t let me withdraw until Tuesday, since it had something to do with the weekend. Also, ATM´s close at 10 PM.
With this said, I would bring some US dollars - I´ve travelled a lot, and I have found Rio to be one of the more difficult large cities to use an ATM. Forget Travellers Checks.
Using the Atm is of course the best way to go but if you prefer to use travellers cheques then the American Express office in the Copacabana Palace hotel in Rio does give the going rate for their travellers cheques.
I know that the discussion about Blameitonrio4travel has died down but I just found this post on another travel site about Rio and it is so on the point as to what has been said here I had to cut and paste it:
"Over the last two weeks I have sent four emails to the Caesar Park Ipanema, a few to Marina Palace in Leblon and have tried to track down a travel agent called Blame It On Rio, which also seems to have disappeared. So far no responses. When I try to use my Caesar Park registration number to log in and seek to make reservations I receive a technical difficulties message. Rio is no doubt a fun place, but......Has anyone recently stayed on the beach in a room looking out to the beach and sea in either Ipanema or Leblon at a good / efficient / reliable and somewhat luxurious hotel ? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. "
To Jak and X-man
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I think many posts have been made in the past about the ATM´s in Rio, and each time there were some posters that said enough of this conversation already.
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With this said, I would bring some US dollars - I´ve travelled a lot, and I have found Rio to be one of the more difficult large cities to use an ATM. Forget Travellers Checks.
I have been very successful cashing travellers checks at a Cambio across the street from the Presidente, the side street next to the Othon Palace. I remember getting competitive rates there.
Cheers.
The ATM's give the best rates, but finding one that will work with your card can be a pain in the ass. In Cabo Frio, where I spent most of four months, there was ONE machine in town that would work -- and believe me, I think I tried them all. Make sure to make a list for yourself of all the ATM's that actually work with foreign cards.
I've run into a couple of different limits on the ATM's. The first is the R$ 1,000 daily limit. The second is a nightime limit. The ATM I used wouldn't let me withdraw more than R$100 between 10 pm and the following morning.
This is to discourage these "flash kidnappings" that the local scumbags invented. They grab you, take you to an ATM and make you withdraw the limit on all of your cards, and then wait till after midnight and make you withdraw the limit again. Then if you were good they let you go. This actually happened to a Brazilian friend of mine years back. Nowadays the banks have gotten hip to this bullshit and limit your nightime withdrawls.
Anyway, do your banking during the day. You don't want to pick up a couple of Help hotties and have your party spoiled when you can't score the cash to pay them.
Oh, and by the way, if you don't call the bank who issued your credit/debit card before you leave, they may shut the card down when they suddenly see large cash withdrawls in a foreign country. Even if you do call them, they may shut it off just because they are incompetant assholes. So do keep a bit of US currency on you to exchange in case someone at your bank has a brainfart.
Hi,
First time poster here. X-man, about a year ago I took traveler checks with me but figuring I would get the best rate at the banks, I tried to cash them in there. They kept stalling me until after about 15 minutes the cashier says they do not have enough to change it. It was bull-s**t and I left. I then went to a cambio and exchanged it for less than the going rate.
I now just get a cash advance from the atm's. Just make sure it is a international atm, or your card won't work. Even if you go to the citi-bank, some of the atm's are only for the local cards.
Quackup
guys,
on the atm issue in rio. depending which system you use and i speak from a european perspective, but there are hsbc and citibank offices on the avenida nossa senhora de copacabana. this is the big street one block from the beach. although they are abit rep001tered you can alwyas find one and always get money from them.
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ATTENCION:
There are a ton of ATM's that will work with foreign credit cards/debit cards (displying the visa logo) that are everywhere in brasil.
1. ATM's displaying "banco24horas" in red
cut and paste link to find your city.
http://www.banco24horas.com.br/ienderec.html
2. Many "bradesco" bank, ATM's will work.
3. Let's not forget about "citibank".
4. last but not least at the airport.
This information should be in some kind of FAQ section.
Robinhood
ATM's:
Just find the nearest gas station. Lot's of them have "Stop n Go" type convenient stores attached. All have ATM's that will work with just about any card, credit or ATM.
Have to be in Rio for work. Figured I would get a quicker at one of the establishments in the afternoon. So which place really has the most attractive girls (quasi model type). Ones that aren't hardened pros but really girls in their 20s looking for nice easy pleasurable cash via a fuck!
Or am I dreaming and such a place doesn't exist. Opinions would be appreciated.
cheers,
Photo55
Hi,
I'm a Londoner and a Rio regular, goin in Sept. Any mongers wanna hook up for some hunting?
Done Rio 4 times, loved it, done Fortaleza and Recife too, loved it, but too many mulatas.
first time poster, hello to all. i am a 24 year old business man residing in the east cost of the usa. i have dated tons of girls and i could not seem to get over all of the brazilian girls i dated in the states. there are large concentrations of them in d.c, boston and that huge party every year in nyc. anyways i have no trouble dating girls here and after a trip with my x to leblon i know i had to come back with my boys. i would goto barrah shoppe and girls would hit on me in front of her. im 6'2 fairly handsome and muscular. my last trip was in january. i love to goto brazil for the new years eve celebration. its summer its festive xmas just happened people have money its a joyus time.
i have just started to pay for play as for the most part i have been doing more trade for sex. ie spend a few days with me and i will feed you, fuck you, and buy you some clothes i prefer more of a gfe relationship experince. i think non working girls are very easily had if you got a few things going for you. dress nice, look clean, workout, eat mildly healthy, know the language and smile alot. people really need to understand the diffrience bewteen a brazilian mind set and that of a european or an american. to a brazilian living in some crappy town with crappy weather no beach and nothing to do but the daily grind stinks. i mean is waking up going to work, coming home, doing some misc things, then repeating all over that fun? or my favorite is when americans goto a foreign country and do the same stuff here, ie watch tv, eat dinner, and goto sleep. watch the beach my point is free booty and a sexy travel compainion can be easily had if you are having fun and willing to spend some money. treat this sexy goddess as such and you will have all you want.
on safety i have had no problems on any of my travels. i try to dress nice, get tan and fit in. a gringo can almost look german, or german brazilian if you blend in well. i tan real well, speak well, and i always buy brand new clothes. i typically pack only my toiletrys, a few outfits, socks, underwear, cheap shoes, and gifts. i always goto a few sex shops or underwear stores and get the girls something nice. get like 10 pairs of victoria's secert underwear before you go. ********* very important as its more expensive there and you will be treatedly very nicely when you whip this out. i always try to make it seem like i bought it for her there and i hide the fact that i got it for whatever woman i met there. but buy brazilian clothes and outfits so that you just blend right in, they want to get us americans and euro's because we dont know any better. for gods sake if you have a nice body buy a speedo. of course stay away from the flavelahs, take cabs but feel you way on this. i have crawled home from help a few times and had no troubles, dumb yes, but i just had a feeling.
money, lodging etc. i typically try to go for 1 month. the longest i have gone is 3. i am not rich but i got a free ride in college, a good job, a small house and no bills so a month long trip doesnt really hurt me. notice no debt, if you plan on traveling abroad try to go with out oweing money and some way to generate passive income. i typically call ahead and let my apartment connection know im coming and i need a 2 bedroom place. so the first night or 2 i check into a hotel as i want to look at the apt before i pay or put a downpayment on the place. i usally bring like $1000 us cash, $1500 in travelers checks and then i rely on atm or money orders. a nice brazilian market in the states can wire money over here very cheaply at a nice exchange rate, line up a friend or family memeber who can send you emergency money if needed.
finding tail. i usally head off the to beach once i arrive and really take it in that im in paradise, i have money, and that makes me the best looking guy here :) (i am a handsome guy but brazil is truly a cash driven society in relationships, one of the previous post said it so right that he who has the cash rules. usally until i find a date or two i hit up the working girls. i am very picky like most of you im sure and i dont play around. try to be nice to pushy girls but remember a brazilian man wouldnt be so nice so if it gets too annoying be very foward almost mean.
btw, look into a case of the anti-hangover pills, dont rememebr the name but i tried some at a bar 2 weeks ago drank about 10 beers and felt fine the next day,
i dunno just some of my thoughts and ideas on how i do it. i am planning on another trip this jan if anyone wants to hang out and take this country by storm. it does get lonely having no guy friends or americans to talk to .
Went to Terma Antigo yesterday on the advice from another American I talked with at Luomos. He said it was the same price as Luomos, but they had mostly "white girls" there. He also said it was real new facilities and very nice.
It was new-like facilities, and the price was about the same as Luomos (add about 25-30 reals RT taxi from Copacabana), but I wasn´t real impressed with the quality of the girls. There was only one mullata that I saw, and I ended up taking her (best looking chick in the place - father was an Indian from Manaus, and mother was a Carioca - very exotic looking - Julia). My impression of almost all the girls was that they were on the "thick" side - not my type, but could be a paradise for some guys. If it wasn´t for Julia, I´m not sure I would have bothered taking a chick. I´m not interested in another visit on this trip.
I continue to be impressed with Luomos. I just got back a few hours ago. It was great - had an hour with one of my favorites - Marina - she´s been mentioned by name by a couple other guys on this board in the last six or seven months. It was surprisingly crowded this evening, and they had the girls out in full force. The relaxation/television room had party streamers all over it and they had a free buffet set up on a table. Also, a new chick there named Mel (Honey) is highly recommended. She says she´s twenty, and she looks it. Very sweet, great smile - this girl could be a model (IMHO) - I plan to do her again.
In the past I have wrestled with the money issue when traveling to Brasil. As a precaution, one should bring traveler's checks and some cash. I always brought both along with a couple of credit cards. It is also true to call your credit card company and let them know of your plans.
I usually plcae all my meals on the credit cards to conserve my cash. The apartments I stay in have a place to lock up valuables.
HOWEVER. On one of my trips I obtained a CPF card which is similar to our social security cards here in the US. This CPF card/number allows you to open a bank account anywhere in Brasil. My top choice is Banco do Brasil because Western Union can wire money there and it can go directly into your bank account. They will isuue you a Visa ATM card and your troubles are solved. I would open more than one account to have flexibility.
If you go to Brasil alot, this is the best way. All you will need is a certified birth certificate, picture ID and passport. You have to know where to go. I first went to Banco do Brasil to get into the system and then later went to a civil court to apply for the card.
The only thing I can foresee going wrong might be resident status. At that time I had a girlfriend and I used her mailing address.
If thats the case I may know a friend that can help. But, he'll probably have his hand out.
I am in Rio now, and I have had NO problems getting cash from ATMS. I just called my bank before leaving and had my debit and credit cards noted to accept foreign charges and withdrawls up to 1000$USD. Also had no problem in BA
I do see a need for travelers checks. I used to use them a lot for travel, but no need in countries where credit cards are everywhere. More so than even the USA sometimes.
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Reporting from Rio. Quick once-over update on Termas.
L'uomo - entrance fee is $R50 if you partake with a girl it is discounted ($R35)
40mins FS - $R100 for the girl and $R50 for the cabine (small room - sometimes no bed! - just fuck on a rug, not comfortable)
60mins FS - $R150 for the girl and $R70 for the suite (bed with mirrors and sometimes a shower)
Pay the receptionist - girl fees must be CASH and credit card can be for everything else. It is open on Sundays - one of the few.
Solarium - (I went there for the first time on this trip) IMHO it is a bit of a trek for about the same quality as the other termas closer to Ave. Atlantica. Owned by the same people as Monte Carlo. (might go there again this trip later in the week)
Entrance fee is $R50 no discount. 40 mins FS - $R120 for the girl and $R50 for the room. (small with just a full size bed) 60 mins FS -
$R180 for the girl and $R50 for the room. Again Girl fees must be Cash and everything else can be on the credit card.
I went on a Saturday and it closed very early at 9pm because it becomes a couples only Swing Club at 11pm each Saturday night.
They still have the co-ed sauna on Sundays where sometimes couples fuck in the steam room and people can watch. But I was not a witness to this.
BTW Jak, which night were you at L'uomo this week? I was there Friday and I agree the talent continues to be impressive but it was very slow for the girls. There was only about 6 clients and 20 available girls. Girls continue to be very friendly if you make the first move otherwise it seem down right frosty.
I want to emphasize what another member posted in the Sao Paulo section. Dont be cheap. Tip a garota if she is really trying to give you a good time especially if she is not being pushy. By all means pay within the norm and dont get ripped off. Good clean fun can still be had for $R150 ST so don't [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] a girl off over $R50 which is less than $US17. She will have a better attitude if she knows you are not trying to lowball her too much.
Fellow Mongerers,
I have traveled all over Brazil, and I have dealt with all of the problems regarding money and having access to it an market exchange rates. I also have a CPF number, but it is not necessary unles you want to buy property or a car, for instance. A close Brasilian friend of mine told me what to do, as he avoids Banco Do Brasil like the plague.
Log on to HSBC Bank. They are world wide, and they have an enormous number of banks in Brasil - small and large towns. Each has an ATM which will give you debit cash out of your savings or checking account at daily market rates - on the spot. The free checking account card has the advantage of functioning as an ATM cash card and a MasterCard debit card for purchases in stores, etc.
Another option which I have used for years is City Bank which works the same way, but has fewer branches.
This allows me to avoid the Cambios and other money changers. I also carry about $1000 US cash in case all else fails. Always secure your cards and make photo copies of everything to be kept in a separate location, etc.
Fellow Mongerers,
I have traveled all over Brazil, and I have dealt with all of the problems regarding money and having access to it an market exchange rates. I also have a CPF number, but it is not necessary unles you want to buy property or a car, for instance. A close Brasilian friend of mine told me what to do, as he avoids Banco Do Brasil like the plague.
Log on to HSBC Bank. They are world wide, and they have an enormous number of banks in Brasil - small and large towns. Each has an ATM which will give you debit cash out of your savings or checking account at daily market rates - on the spot. The free checking account card has the advantage of functioning as an ATM cash card and a MasterCard debit card for purchases in stores, etc.
Another option which I have used for years is City Bank which works the same way, but has fewer branches.
This allows me to avoid the Cambios and other money changers. I also carry about $1000 US cash in case all else fails. Always secure your cards and make photo copies of everything to be kept in a separate location, etc.
To all - Reporting from Rio ;-) TERMAS Update
4x4 (Monday Night) got there just before 10pm.
Entry fee is $R30
Girl fee is $R130 (40mins) $R150 (60mins)
Room Fee - the receptionist did not say and I did not get to partake but my guess is $R50
A plus - you can pay everything on Credit or Debit Cards. A minus - it was $R16 taxi ride each way for me from Copacabana to this place in Centro area - seems like the downtown business area.
The club itself is a bit down-market. The music was banging and a good party atmosphere but dark and smokey and crowded even on this Monday night. There is a quieter restaurant like bar in another part of the termas but on this night is was completely empty. There were girls of every shape and size here. For some I felt embarrass for them, fat and homely looking chicks would approach you even though their gut is hanging out over their teeny tiny bikini thongs! The operative word here is BUNDA or ASS-ass-ass! Dark black girls, caramel colored morenas and lighter skin bottle blondes . . . 95% of them had big bubble butts. This place is John Stagliano aka Buttman's paradise.
Unfortunately for me, the action ends at 12:30am and after being nice to a couple of 'whales' I missed out on my target - this little blonde that looked like Tara Lipinski who hooked up real fast after just returning from the cabines. Oh well, another day will have to do.
Gentelmen,
Here´s a report from Rio. Have been here for 3 days and am enjoying myself tremendously. So far, did the Help thing, went to 2 thermas, and found a friend in the elevator.
Help had very fine looking ladies, but the asking price was very high (300-400 Reales). As it was my first night after a very long day in the air, I just took one because it was easy. She was a pure 10 to my eyes, and I immediately discovered the true beauty of Brazilian women. From the first minute to the last, they are all over you, trying 110% to please. Never seen anything like it. Two hours of this cost about $110US, steep by any standards, but just what the doctor ordered for this weary traveler. Will not go back because of the price, however.
Went to Monte Carlo Therma. Now for those of you who don´t know what happens in thermas, lets just say that it is the closest thing to heaven that there is on earth for men. You go to a locker room, 2 sweet young ladies change you out of your clothes and into a white robe and slippers, storing your clothes in a safe and secure locker. You may then take a steam, sauna, or shower, and when ready, you go upstairs to the bar/social get together room. All the guys are in their robes, and the girls are in scantily clad g-strings or other apparel. You look around quick, because someone will try to capture you, but a gentle comment that you want to look around first will get the results of a little space to make your own choice(s). The girls are from 18-25, range from white skinned natural blondes to jet black, with everything in between. They love to love you. Kissing you and rubbing your parts through the robe. When you find your enamorada, buy her a drink (cheap). She will love you for it. Other girls will come up trying to get you to go double, so let them sit down too, kiss them both, stick fingers up places, and then after a while tell the newcomer to leave (unless you want her too). Repeat this as many times as you can stand, with all the attractive girls there. Then take your honey up for a 40 minute Brazilian style romp (anything you want...they MUST please). Afterwards, back to the sauna, steam, showers, etc. All for 250-300 reales. Did two very nice blond cousins at Monte Carlo for 325 Reales. Thermas...the way to be the star of your own porno movie.
More on other methods in Rio in a later post.....
Steven
Response to Steven.
Please do not pay that much for a girl from Help. You don't need to. Remember inflation and be strong. The first woman I took from Help a few days ago was pretty much the hottest woman there. She asked for 400 at first. I just waited her out. When she was rejected by another man at that price I moved in and got her down to 250 with a promise of seeing her again (which I do not plan on doing) and with a promise of being very loving (which I was not). That is the most I paid and would not pay any more. I met a man from Rio here and we have been hanging out some. At Help, he got 1 woman for free and another for 65 Reals. I cannot wait until my Portuguese improves. With only Spanish and smiles, I have paid from 90 - 250.
Will,
I hope I am not the only one who finds your comments extremely offensive. Treating women badly and being cheap is not cool. It is anything but.
Wow Steven, 400 reales is alot. I was there in Sept of last year. I mostly mongered at the termas and never brought any girls to the hotel from Help. The two girls that I did bring to my room cost around 150 reales for 2 hrs.. I met some other girls that I could have gotten quickies (1 hr) for 100 reales. Have fun but don't over pay.
Termas Time
I hate to hear about guys paying this much in Brazil for pussy. Look, a MONTH's wages for a minimum wage worker is now, thanks to a recent act of congress, R$ 260 (about US$84). Compare that to a month's minimum wage here in the US -- about US$890. Would you ever pay $890 for a piece of ass in the US?
Hell, there are a LOT of non-pro chicks in Brazil who will fuck you for the price of a nice dinner with drinks.
So don't waste your cash. EVERYTHING in Brazil is negotiable, and nobody down there respects a guy who takes the first price quoted. ALWAYS make a counter-offer, particularly with Help girls who want a ridiculous R$400 for a short time.
Guys,
Paying more then 250 reais for a girl in help is destroying the market. I myself have gotten it for free in the Help but I have never paid more then 250 for a garota. Off course they ask for more, they always do. Its just got good business but no need to pay more. I once got a girl down to 100 reais. I had done before and for the second time I just told her that I was leaving the next day and had little money left. Besides, if you're really willing to pay that money then you are better of going to Barbarella. Anyway, no need to pay that kind of money in the Help!
Dear Fartnocker and others,
I completely agree on your critics of overpaying. Personally I prefer to make the girls feel like princesses (dinners, presents etc) but with out paying directly.
My question to all your brazil-experts are how well this approach functions in places like Help. Where are the best places in Rio for us that prefer this type of mongering?
Exec Talent,
I hope you ARE the only one here "extremely offended" by Will's comments, but the unfortunate truth is that you probably are not. There are many guys out there just like you who are happy to project their own 1st-world viewpoint onto another culture. A culture, in this case, that really doesn't give a shit about your sense of fair play.
"Being cheap" is "not cool," huh? Boy I bet the girls at Help get all wet around the pocket book when they see guys like you coming. Believe me, they aren't thinking "Oh, what a nice guy to help me out in my desperate situation." They are thinking, "Jackpot! I just found the sucker who is going to pay for my new cell phone so I can show up that cow Andrea."
Let me proclaim this once and for all: no woman has to sell her body to get by in Brazil. I know many single Brazilian mothers who work their asses off to make ends meet, but would never even consider turning a trick. Do you know what these prostitutes you champion are doing with all the money they make hooking? They aren't saving up for an education for their kid or a business investment to get themselves "out of the Life." Mostly whatever their drug-using Brazilian boyfriend doesn't steal they use to buy bullshit status upgrades like clothes, shoes, cell phones, cars etc. Coming from the US or Europe you can not possibly understand the importance of status in Brazilian culture. Status is why these girls are selling their asses at Help every night -- not harsh necessity.
These prostitutes, for the most part, are not wayward young ladies of society who would otherwise be working on their PhD's if not employed in the sex industry. They are the Brazilian equivalent of 5th generation redneck trailer trash. Yep, read that again. You are fucking the South American version of a welfare-taking West Virginia hilljack. Ask yourself this: if a poor, uneducated American redneck wins the lottery, how long do you think he'll actually be rich? The answer, as everyone knows, is that he'll be rich for just as long as it takes him to blow the cash on stupid bullshit, and then he'll be poor again. These girls are no different.
So overpay if it makes you feel better. If you get a charge out of throwing around money Japanese-stye, more power to you. I would never get between a man and what gets him off. But don't think you are in any way occupying the moral high ground. You aren't helping these girls in any way. Every Real you give a Brazilian prostitute is just one more ticket to the party, and when the party is over she'll have nothing to show for it but the scars.
Exec Talent,
Not meaning to flame you (even though you flamed Will), but I have to agree with fartknocker. I am married to a Brazilian girl and know this culture intimately. These girls who work the clubs are there not to feed themselves - they can do that working at a supermarket- but they do it to move up the status level by buying material crap. They usually have typical bullshit women's goals for their earnings (the cellphone, fancy clothes). Brazil is full of good honest women (as much as there is a good honest woman :) ) who wouldn't be caught dead in a terma. If you don't believe me, next time you overpay one of those wenches in Help, ask them what they are saving their money for.
Last time I was in Termas 65 I asked one of the girls I had a session with what she was saving for. She replied that she wanted to buy herself a house. I then asked her how much more she needed. Her reply was that she hasn't saved any yet because she likes expensive clothes and she kept blowing her money on that. I think a good majority of the girls are that way.
The economic situation in Brazil is such that it's just a different world than NYC, London, or LA. Unless she's a hottie dancer from Domingao do Faustao or a top model, 400 reais is too much plain and simple. Look up the price on ScortShow's website. Promocao is 100 reais for 2hrs. Roughly 33 bucks for all the puntang you want during the time she's with you. That's the reality of the price for snatch in Brazil (or most of Latin America for that matter). Coming down here throwing money around "because you feel sorry for them" insults Brazilians and screws it for the rest of us trying to enjoy the culture here. If you want to help desperately poor people, check out WSG charities, not freelancing brazilian *****s.
Nuff said, lets get back to talking about T and A!
I completely agree with Fartknocker and Shtupp. Altough it did take some time to find this out for myself. I had a girl from Help 2 weeks for free. I guess we were in love a little. Then she came to where I live, holland, and it was just an incredible ***** who saw me as a long term investment
I used to be a gentlemen, taking all this crap stories seriously about how they needed the money to send to their children in some other city. Until I met Gui, the driver of Bobby from Blame It on Rio. He laughed his ass off about my gullible attitude.Now I know. And when i will be back, i will approach the girls slightly different, not making any promises beyond the hour that I will fuck them
Overpaying,
Just posted on this on other thread. Geez, really why give the guy so much grief. So what he poorly negotiated. Of course market pricing should be the goal. But really, just means she scored that night. What is so wrong with that. the numbers just aren't there to say that "market pricing" is being moved by these one off cases. At least in SP, the market is Brazilians, Euros, Asians, and Americans. The ocasional overpayment by the any one of those (and probably they all have cases of dudes overpaying) isn't driving prices upward. some dudes just don't negotiate well. Ever heard of a bell shaped distribution curve? Underpricing, market pricing, and overpricing all occur. Personally, I don't think underpricing is cool either. Easy answer, read the posts, get a sense of market pricing (always good to know what the escorts, massage prices are) and shoot for that. But really, do we have to tear some poor dude to shreads for missing the mark.
And so what that these girls aren't saving for a college education. Brazil as I just noted on the other thread spends tons of time on status/the money extreme so why should these girls be immune to the constant message. And lets be realistic. given the option of being a nanny, maid, clerk at a supermarket, some girls are going to go for the sex option. faster, more money (tons more relative to the supermarket option, shtupp you should know that for sure). and yeah, lots of local guys will try to ride coat-tails. Doesn't mean it is battle to get the best price or that they are "trash" for going that route.
Survival capitalism here in Brazil. Actually agree with Shtupp and Fartknocker on much of what they said, but just don't think getting so worked up over the fact that some dudes mess up and over pay or that I have to think the girl is "trash" for being as fartknocker noted the "Brazilian equivalent of 5th generation redneck trailer trash". pretty funny! They made their choices and I'm happy to pay a market rate for that choice.
I'm not under any 1st world spells. Just prefer to fuck the girl knowing that I fairly compensated her (based on local market pricing) and that I'm enjoying fucking the heck out of her. I'm not planning to marry her, take her on as a girlfriend, so don't really give a shit as to what she does with the money. But I'm not going into this in battle mode just because I know miss trailer trash is after my money. Like I noted on the other post, I make every effort not to overpay (and I don't underpay) and I hate it when she asks for more after the session is overy (and always say no). But really, treating the negotiation as a battle for me would just take some of the fun out of it. I just enjoy finding a hot girl or two, ensuring that I don't "overpay" and throughly enjoying fucking them. Can't we just leave it at that.
Rastaman
It's a TV show in Brazil. Faustao is the big fat guy who hosts the show. The rumor is that virtually all the hot-assed dancers on the show are available if you have the cash -- although I'd heard a number that was a lot higher than R$ 400. If you aren't a very connected Brazilian VIP you aren't likely to ever get a shot. It would be the Brazilian equivalent of getting to fuck a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader.
exec,
i just got back to the u.s. and read your flame of me.
where did it say i mistreated any of these ladies?
i am cheap. i am proud of that. do you not barter in the markets either? have you no understanding of brazilian and other latin cultures?
i get a lot of respect from the women for bartering and playing the game. it is fun for them too. it is not a 7-11 where you put down your cash and walk away with your slurpee. it is part of the game.
the most disgusting thing i saw my entire trip in rio and buenos aires was americans without a clue. i understand enough portuguese to hear the women and portuguese men laughing at them. i told people i was canadian much of the time.
as for what these women use the money for, here are my observations. two days into my trip i met a fairly well to do university student. i hung out with him and a friend of his visiting from the u.s.. i did non-mongering hanging out with brazilian women and men, went to a concert (punk spoken word great stuff), hung out with him in leblon at his place and his restaurants. we went to help on my final night, just to expose his u.s. friend to help and to break his mongering cherry. during all this time, he twice pointed out women at parties or events that he knew from college that sold themselves. plus, he then saw a woman at help he did go to school with. he told me about how he once saw a woman in centaurus and recognized her. he got her outside it for free. none of the women he pointed out needed the money. he was clear in that. they use the money to buy cell minutes, clothes, and for status objects. i also heard this from a brazilian woman here in the u.s. i regularly see at parties with my friends. that night i got my woman for 90 reals because it was all i had and because her friend was leaving with my brasilian friend. he didn't pay anything. he is just a rich boy from leblon. he didn't pay the woman, but it helped her status and class amongst the others.
Here is one to stay away from. She cut a deal for 175R for 3 hour of everything, pictures, anal, etc. When she got to the room she would stop me from going more than 2 inches in her and with no anal. I gave her chances. $100R to finish the fuck normal without anal. $50R to just finish with BBBJ and cumshot.
She went ape shit and said she would call the cops. I said please do and called her bluff. It got ugly with her trying to grab my shit and run. I had to pick her up and put her in the hall. Then I cut a deal with her. $25 to jack off on her and she would get her clothes back. It was too late to go back to get another woman at this point so that was our deal.
She speaks spanish and portuguese. She couldn't claim misunderstanding because I speak spanish and my friend is native to Rio.
She has a tattoo in asian writing that she claims says Happy!
Photo,
The rant I went off on was not aimed at Steven, the guy who originally sparked this conversation. Read the last paragraph of my comment. I really don't care if other guys overpay whether they do it from guilt, laziness, or just ignorance.
Some guys get wound up that other guys are "ruining the market," but I just laugh at that idea -- supply and demand, ya know. The supply of willing pussy in Brazil is nearly infinite and the money chasing that pussy is finite.
What pissed me off is Exec's bullshit about being offended that anyone would think to use hardball negotiating tactics with these girls. My feeling is that business is business, and when you go into the business of selling your ass you learn to live with negotiating. Guys like Exec that get up on their high horse about it need a reality check.
Will Fore,
Sorry you got hassled. Thanks for the heads up. What finally happened? How much did she finally get out of you and for how much time? What name did she use? Also always check her ID for her real name. Since these chicks can change their names like their underwear :0)
In cases like this sh*t I would have been helpful if you stayed in a hotel and the staff can help you out (.. .maybe . . .?) You were very lucky with your bluffing her. Some crooked cops could have done a number on you. Hope you have better experiences the next night.
Almotu
Fartknocker,
Understood! I agree with the view as well. I mean pitty the sucker who always over-pays just to feel better. Silly move, but I also get sick of the story, where the rich guy fucks the girl for a dime with her thinking she will get a dollar and celebrates it. I guess I think that attitude just as much turns a chick hard as anything else. To be fair, it is the just the opposite side of the coin of the silly dude over-paying. She didn't value her pussy too well. and just as much as I noted hate it when the girl trys to reopen the negotiation or fails to provide services as advertised.
As you say it is a negotiation. just prefer the outcome where both parties are happy and I think when you end up paying roughly market pricing both should be happy (or in the case of Will Fore's brazilian buddy, he had noncash value to provide or the chick has just decided that a below market price is fine b/c she wants to wedge the dude, aka Will Fore's accomplishment)
My motto is negotiate well/fairly (or at least try to), treat the girl well, and bust your nut. I just want hot, young, nice brazilian girls to fuck. I'm not looking for girl-friends or wifes. just a wedge machine. and no way I'm out to save them even though my soft side does hope they get their "trailer trash home" at the end of this ride.
Also, lastly would absolutely second Will Fore's comments that some of the girls do this for extra free cash flow. Really people don't understand how much the non-pro and pro markets interact here in Brazil. Lots of girls are exposed to it at the club scenes and it definitely affects the non-pro market. A brazilian buddy of mine said brazilian girls in the 20s think like guys, very transaction oriented. Definitely anybody who spends a lot of time down here in Brazil should try and spend a little bit of time understanding the culture and the different facets of the pro and non-pro garota markets. For me, definitely has been an interesting learning experience with some great experiences and some definite fuck-ups (the fact that in SP, Romanza too me to town).
Also, boy, as noted by Fartknocker, I would love to nail one of the Faustao girls and if anyone gets a source on that. let me know! Although, not for some outrageous price. but would be a nice story!
Cheers,
Photo55
almotu,
i ended up paying $25 reals to toss off on her face. that is what we ended up with. at one point early on, i was willing to just knock $50r off the agreed upon price in help and finish, but she started trying to play the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] game and i said hell no! after that it was the principle of the thing for me.
i get kind of hard about the bribery deal. i have travelled a lot in worse places than rio (in terms of cops hassling), like guatemala. in guatemala they used to take your passport and take you to a private jail where if you didn't pay, they killed you and raped you, not in that order. i fought those dudes many times, so i could have handled a rio cop.
i would have paid him off to arrest her. it would have cost me more, but it would have been the principle of the thing. i don't like the hotel deal. i think i can handle myself because i have travelled rough a lot. but i agree that many people would benefit from a hotel and staff. i saw a lot of gringos and brits down there that could really get in trouble if things went awry. as for her real name, i didn't care. i figured a picture was enough to warn you guys.
if anyone has a 2 inch dick though, i think the sex will work with her. she lets you in that far.
No doubt the pro and non-pro market overlap. I found that out the first trip I ever made to Brazil. It was during Carnival, and me, my American roomate, and our Brazilian buddy had a table at Teatro Scala in Rio during one of the samba balls. We hooked up with four chicks at the next table and spent the night dancing and drinking and had a hell of a time. After that we all went out and had "dinner" at about 5 am.
When we made it to the motel in the morning, two of the girls decided they wanted a little something extra. I was a little annoyed because they didn't say a word about this the whole night while they were using our table, drinking our booze, and eating our food. They just figured that we had plenty of money and they should get some.
The money didn't really amount to anything. I think we paid them US$20 each (about R$70 at the time). Only one chick (the one who was with me) was a looker, and the amount we paid was pretty low, so I don't think they were professionals. I think they were just a bunch of Rio girls who hooked up with some Americans and figured they should walk away with some cash.
OK, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT:
If I spend $50 and get laid she must be a pro.
If I spend $20 and get laid she must be a non-pro.
If I spend $500 and get a kiss on the cheek, she must be American!!!!
I had my first session with a terma girl outside of the terma. We didn´t discuss money at all, so it was interesting to see how it would go. We spent a couple hours together, and while she was in the bathroom, I put four R50´s and two R10´s on top of her purse (taxi fare).
When she came back from the bathroom she started talking about the 24th anniversary at Luomos that night. If she missed it she would owe the management R200 the next day (the anniversary is true - free buffet, etc.) - but any other day would cost her R100 for missing. I never heard this one, but since it was about 40 minutes to four o´clock, I figured this was her way to bring up money. I pointed to the money on top of her purse, and she stuffed it in her purse without looking or counting. I think I was on the upper price side with her, since she is one of my favorites and we have a good rapport.
Has anyone heard this pay the management the next day for missing stuff? I think it´s BS. An American guy and I had talked about it about a week ago. He seemed to think they had a pretty flexible arrangement. He was doing three girls a night and was there most of the time during operating hours. He said he´d see girls for awhile, and then he didn´t see them for the rest of the night. One girl around two hours before closing turned him down saying she had to go home.
Just curious - any insights?
Jak, what she told you is not bull, I have heard over and over again the same story that they get fined if they don't show up. Management at these termas know that these girls can book on the side and not show up and possibly make more money and if all his girls did that one night then he would have no modelos for hire, she wasn't bullshitting you.
Chuponalgas said:
"OK, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT:
If I spend $50 and get laid she must be a pro.
If I spend $20 and get laid she must be a non-pro.
If I spend $500 and get a kiss on the cheek, she must be American!!!!"
Ok, then if I have to give her half of all my money and get a kick in the ass, she must be my wife.
Hello Everyone,
I have have stated I have dated mostly Brazilian girls my entire life, although im a young handsome American, half English, half Italian, I learned early on how shitty American women are. Good looking yes, spoiled yes, appreciate you no, cook, clean, no. I think the point about pricing is very interesting. I have known Brazilian girls who work and save all year just to buy a carnival costume, or some expensive shoes. I mean lets do the math gentleman. If im a sexy young 21 year old working girl, I dont mind BBBJ, Anal, and i do whatever, I should make a fairly decent living. If you read the news an average Brazilan working man or woman makes about 200-300R. My point is a working girl there could pick and choose who she sleeps with and can probally make close to 400R a night maybe 4-5 days per week. So 2000R per week is a nice chunk of change over there. I mean these girls are making a months salary in one night.
I guess my point is pay them well, decide on a price before hand and if she makes you feel amazing, special or you have a great time, tip her like you would a waiter or any service industry person.
Another thing I have noticed from a few ex working girls I know is alot of men are starting to just lay there and expect this girl to do all of the work and not living up their end of the bargain, im not knocking sitting back getting a BJ, or getting laid, but remember this is a sexy young woman and try to get them off, a finger or some stamina go along way. Please dont Eat at the Y, I might have just finshed in there 1 hour ago and here you are eating her out :) . Its more of a safety issue, HPV, Herpes, that stuff dont go away.
AS I said im more of a GFE fantasy guy, i try to pick up non working girls first then an occional working girl, and if she is so hot and we get along good, I will try to hang out with her for a week or a few days, buy her nice things, take her out, have fun, its all part of the fantasy. There is something to be said for sex after you take her to Barrah Shoope buy her a nice dress, shoes and take her to that fancy restaurant she has never eaten at.
Bob has a great point about Marriage, and American Girls.
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
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One thing I forgot to mention about the "semi-pros" at Scala was the American roomate I was with. The guy is a whale -- he weighs around 300 lbs. The chick I was with really wasn't concerned about cash, but his chick definitely wanted some compensation. My buddy told me later that she was also less-than-enthusiastic during the act. The chick I was with was into it during the sex, and afterwards she gave her $20 to the other two girls to split.
So anyway I think my buddy's appearance and our lack of Portuguese skills (my Brazilian pal did all the translating) had a lot to do with the fact that we had to pay. In the identical situation, if my Brazilian pal and I were out by ourselves, and I had the basic command of Portuguese that I do now, I doubt we would have paid a dime.
The moral of the story is to chose your mongering buddies wisely. Leave the charity cases at home.
Jak and Rio Bob,
Rio Bob is right; girls working at the termas have to pay a R$100 fine for every night they miss. My current girlfriend used to be a GDP who worked at Luomo, Monte Carlo, and Rio Antigo, and she told me this first hand a long time ago. GDPs are not prohibited from making outside engagements, but the fine is the price they pay. So, this has to be factored in when making negotiations with a girl from the termas to meet you outside, i.e., the fine as well as the lost income from working inside. I can assure you that nearly all GDPs working in the termas would prefer private dates to staying inside if they can at least break even. You can probably work out the best deal with a termas girl by meeting her in the day; that way, whatever you pay her will be a bonus to her termas income. Best time is early afternoon, say 1:00pm, because they usually sleep till late morning. That way you can get her to stay with you for 2-3 hours, and then she can go straight to work.
Termas management doesn't tend to be the most enlightened of employers, to put it mildly. According to my girlfriend they strongly encourage, but don't require, the girls to take birth control bills every day of the month, so they will never have their period, which of course is bad for business. My girlfriend always refused and just stayed home when she was having her period (and got fined), but she said most of the girls would agree. I shudder to think what effect this would have on their reproductive systems. So all these things need to be taken into consideration when negotiating with termas girls, and it helps explain why the turnover is so high at these places.
Lorenzo
Jak, what the girl told you is true. I've heard it from a lot of terma girls, who turned down outside dates where they could have earned a lot more money. Apparently terma management is very strict about this.
I am curious, and would like to justify my own behavior. Who here does perform oral sex on the garottas? I am wondering what the percentage is. I do, and will continue to, but who else does?
Josh, count me in.
Despite popular belief on the STD scare, most of them will have MULTIPLE orgasms, turning "completinhas" as a gratitude, inviting other babes to join in extended sex sessions and becoming "girlfriends" while touring Brasil. Of course as a gentleman, I would treat them with all the respect that such ladies deserve. This is where money is exchanged to keep them away, since the ultimate objective of a real monger is to have real sex with as many nice and beautiful available babes. Man, I have a very peculiar and discerning "taste". So far my body is at an optimum performance level with a clean bill of health, Doctor tested and approved! Like good wine, as I grow older the ladies keep getting younger as allowed by law!
In fairness to all gents, use both common sense in choosing sexual partners and all the available tools including condoms, necessary to have an enjoyable and memorable sex session.
It takes years of experience and some money to harvest the best of the bunch! Yet quite a happy bunch.
Regarding fines for the girls when they do not show up:
I had a similar experience at the Holiday Boite. There was an incredibly hot dancer who drank shots with me. I had to have her for the night and negotiated a very reasonable fee with her, around $50. However, before I was able to take her out of the bar, the management made me pay them $100 to be able to take her out of there for the rest of the night.
She was well worth it, though. We f...ed all night, like rabbits. The next morning she wanted to go to the beach with me and asked me if she could stay with me for a few days. Sure thing!!! During those subsequent days we had a lot of sex, and no money chaged hands. I just paid for our lunches and drinks. But she was mine only during the daytime. In the evening she had to go back to the bar and dance, coming back to my hotel room late at night to sleep. I had to upgrade to a double room, by the way. :-)
You gotta love Rio,
Euro
Yeah, Josh, I eat the working girls. Sometimes I eat their butts, too. (Ewwwww! What kind of FREAK would eat the ass out of a puta!) If it's reasonably clean, I stick my tounge in it. Gotta have it, or it just isn't sex in my book. In addition to this unsafe-sex practice, I often don't wrap it up with the non-pros. (Gasp! Shudder!) I have yet to ever catch an STD, so go figure.
Speaking of oral sex, a Brazilian buddy of mine and I were sitting around taking about how lousy most Brazilian girls are at giving head. I'm taking about average chicks -- not pros. I've never gotten a decent blow job out of any Brazilian girl who wasn't either a current or former working girl. My buddy, who has had more Brazilian ass than any two guys I know, agreed completely.
Most of the non-pro Brasileiras I've had give me head just have lousy technique. They go too slow, don't use enough pressure, don't go deep enough, etc. If that wasn't bad enough, most of them won't give head for long enough to be really enjoyable. Usually they are all ready to jump in and start fucking after a couple minutes of head. I'm all for that kind of enthusiasm, but I whish they would learn to take their time.
The flip side to this is that most Brazilian girls just come unhinged when I go down on them. I don't know how many times I've thought, "Holy shit, has this chick never had a guy really eat her pussy before? She's about to pass out!" I'm starting to suspect that Brazilian guys are just as bad at giving head as the chicks are.
Of course that's just my opinion . . . I could be wrong. ;-)
Fartknocker,
If you want the best head ever, and I mean it, go to Luomnos. I have had sex with around 300 women in the U.S. and abroad and had the best oral of my life there from some tall brunette white girl. A german dude told me while we were sitting there that she was the best, and he was right. I damn near died.
Hey Josh,
As far as eating buzeta brazilera, I use the following rule myself.
1. She must turn heads of even women on the street and have the tight ass of an 18 YO.
2. There must be minimal hair around the lips so a thorough inspection can be made for hidden shankers, HPV and wayward toilet paper.
3. Before the check for paper, sneak a finger smell test. This is best accomplished the the non Dickhead way (remember Dickhead, you are my heroe!) of finger fucking then sucking on the tits, and while grabbing the said tit, smelling said finger as said tit is carressed and squeezed.
4. Forget the above techniques if she offers BBFS or BB anal, or has been in the business more than 6 months or is over the age of 20.
5. If all the above has been accomplished to your personal level of satisfaction and comfort, and she has not been with Jackson, who probably ripped her pussy wide open, then proceed to the shower, thoroughly rinse, dry, and proceed to make your tongue sore.
It is my personal experience, that these girls are very aware of the fact that twat is their goldmine and will treat it as such. If you are in a Terma, not only the Garota will care for the said twat, but the owner will care for and confirm clean monthly for you.
Also, just arrived today from Rio, and the streetwalkers on Atlantica were very hot looking, but my steady Carioca prevented me from sampling the above techniques.
If any of you jeleous B------- saw me, she was the only Brazilera who was 35CC-25-34, 112 lbs, 5'4" and smoking hot! Almost enough to make me forget the Garotas de programa. Almost.
Latina Addict
Licking Pro Pussy?????
You could save a lot of money and swallow the same microbes!
Just go lick the urinal clean in the Termas!
Will,
Do you remember the name of the white Luomo garota who gave you great head?
Almotu
Licking pussy is an interesting topic (for the record, I do ... tastes a lot better than urinal, I might add).
Barganing with the workers is another interesting topic (for the record, I do ... that's a lot of the fun in mongering in Rio)
But can I try to get a new threat going (?): Best places to pick up a pro and take her back to your hotel.
Here are my top 5:
5. Boite Holiday: Lots of really good looking girls there. But the place is very expensive, and you need to pay a fee to the house, if you want to take a girl back to your hotel.
4. Sidewalk cafes along the Copacabana: The pros will look you deep in the eyes, and you will know right away if they are interested. Motion for her to sit down with you, buy her a drink, and the nogotiations can begin.
3. Ipanema Girl bar in Ipanema: This place is frequented by amateurs and pros alike. And I have always found that there is no strict line between the two groups. If you pretend you do not notice that the girl is a pro, and if you treat her nicely, you may get it without paying for it. (You have to pay for the drinks, though.)
2. Dicotecas Help and Plataforma Uno ( a tie): OK, Help is on everybody's list. They claim to be the biggest disco in the world, or something like this. There are going to be a hundred girls to pick from. All skin tones, all hair colors. Plataforma Uno is located right next to one of these big Samba Show places for the tourists. And some of the amazing mulatta dancers come to the discoteca after the show to have a little fun and perhaps pick up extra cash in the process. Also, lots of true amateurs come there, and I have picked up a couple of choice ones there.
1. But my best place is , drumroll please: Scotch Bar. It is located in the Lido district, on Av. Princesa Isabel, not very far away form the tunnel to Rio Sul shopping center. Entrance fee is about $15, depending on exchange rate. This gets you two drinks, a bowl of nuts, and a good table. Take the Caipirinha Vodka and drink slow. If you get there around 10 pm, you think that you are in a regular discotheca. But later a strip show will start where only minutes before was a regular dance floor. Then more dancing, then another strip show. A couple of times, I even saw a boy-girl show, with penetration. I had tables next to the dance floor, and they were doing it only 15 feet away from me. I have taken numerous pros back to my hotel form there. As I said, I always bargain. It's part of the fun. One evening I took one of the stunning strippers home. This was really fun, because we had already agreed that she would go with me, but had to do one more show. She took her clothes off and tossed them all to me. It seemed that she put on the show just for me. Great foreplay. And I was cooly standing there, have all the wonkers admire me for the attention she showered on me. Sex with her was fantastic as well. No wonder that Scotch Bar has a special place in my rankings.
I cannot claim that I know every place in Rio. So who wants to chime in and give us their favorite hunts?
Euro
Hey Josh,
I've never done it but I know a few guys that do. As a matter of fact one stopped doing it bc, he came down with an infection. I think Chupo has a good point.
very cute chuponalgas. the problem with your theory is that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] from a healthy human being is virtually sterile. the truth is that you will pick up more nasty microbes kissing a girl on the mouth than would running your tounge around the inside of a urinal. hard to believe, but true.
the threat of std's for heterosexual men is greatly exagerated, imho. hiv/aids is the one everyone is really terrified about. however, by the cdc's own figures, out of 859,000 cases of aids reported in the us from the early '80s to december 2002, only 36,692 were men who caught it through heterosexual contact -- that's a little over 4% of the total. why? because despite what the scaremongers want you to believe, hiv just isn't spread easily from female to male. end of story.
herpes? hpv? yeah, you can get them, and you can't get rid of them, but they are more a pain-in-the-ass than anything else. with valtrex and other anti-herpes meds, you will hardly ever experience a breakout. the rest of the common std's out there can be cured with a round of antibiotics.
so why go through life living in fear of these damn microbes? your chances of getting hiv is very small, and the rest can be dealt with relatively easily. i'm not the kind of guy who is going to walk through the flower garden of life wearing a gas mask. there are risks in everything one does, and i for one would rather take a risk now and then than spend the best moments of my life worrying about shit that isn't really that dangerous.
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Fartnocker,
You definetly are a risk taker and your knowledge and understanding of the dangers out there is rather weak.
Go to GOOGLE, type in the names (one at a time) of various STDs, and search Google Images (not the web). If those images do not bother you, then you are a lost case.
Also, you may want to do some more reading from the CDC and other sources about STDs.
People like you keep passing around stuff from girl to girl. Stuff you do not even realize you carry from time to time.
That is why the percentage of professionals with one microbe or another is so high.
I just heard that you can no longer declare a phone in customs in Rio and receive a telephone number in Rio.
Can anyone verify this and, if it is true, can anyone tell me how to get around this problem?
I plan to arrive in Rio on July 15 so I would appreciate a prompt response.
Thanks.
Just got back from the Aeroporto Terma - first time there. I arrived a little before 4:00, and when I went in the backroom, there was a girl waiting for me to open my locker, offer me a hangar and show me around. The moment I saw this I remembered someone else writing about it and having mixed feelings. He got the impression she was latching on to him, and so I wasn´t sure what to make of it - just a hospitable way to welcome you to the club?
There were definitely more females than males when I arrived and left. Since I´m getting over a cold and still kind of tired and coughing, I chose their regular massage (R40 for 40 minutes) -twice. She gives a great massage, and if I wasn´t feeling so bad I wouldn´t have bothered. It´s aggravating to have to accept downtime in this city, especially when you drag your butt to a terma determined to get it on, but your body is just saying "sorry to disappoint you, man". I´ll hopefully make a trip there in a few days to try a few I liked. One interesting thing of note - when I was paying up front (different girl than when I came in), the girl put two hard candies with my change. I never heard of a terma giving out candies at the end of your session - then I looked at her and she had this sweet look on her face as she looked at me. Unless this is normal procedure, the lady giving me the massage had to have mentioned I had a bad cold. Certainly a plus for this place if this is true.
I hadn´t been to Aeroporto or Termas 65 before today. I haven´t had anything but good experiences with the taxi drivers, but then there´s always that first. I grabbed a taxi on Ave. Atlantica and gave the name and address to Aeroporto. He was an Asian guy and seemed to know good English. He said 65 is the best (there were four names and addresses on my sheet).
He said Aeroporto was too crowded with guys since it was near the airport. (What? I´m expecting 65 to be as crowded as 4by4 in the evening) He then shows me a laminated price list for destinations (What? Centro is 30R). I look up and the meter isn´t turned on. I ask if he gets money for taking me to 65 - he hems and haws a moment - "yes, but not much". At the next light I open the door and get out. I could have easily decided I was going to check out 65 before I got in the taxi today, but this guy was a total rap from the start - I´m glad I got out. Next taxi - no complications - amazing.
As vezes Eu gosta comer un poco brazaliera buceta and the worst thing I got was a sore throat. As a matter of fact I get sore throats a lot in Rio, not sure if its from the polutted waters or the buceta. Once my throat was so sore I left Rio 2 days early and the customs people were very concerned as to why I was leaving early, I have buceta throat.
fartknocker,
your prose lacks the florid touches of, say, keates. yet i vote along with you to kiss the girl if she smells delicate, and damn the tor****es. no war was ever won running away from the action. just wear a helmet. life is too short.
rio bob.
one word, buceta. i know it sound different when garota asks you to rip her undies off and present swords. but i believe that is how it is spelled, unless i have been cruelly tricked all these years of writing horny mails with cariocas, chupando bucetas direitinho.
i was asked by jackson to throw in this minor corrective measure before he turns to the ancient & comprehensive great dictionary of brazilian-portuguese anatomical terms. you want to avoid that, believe me.
the monte carlo terma is fun and amply stocked since 4x4 closed. best deal is the 1hr suite with jacuzzi. it will feel like 10 minutes. would love to have a room like that in my house, with garota harem to draw from. we can only dream our versions of heaven...
Prazer:
In your previous post you stated:
".......since 4x4 closed".......huh?! :O
That 's news to me! Can you explain that statement?
Two topics seem to predominate in the past few reports, eating pussy (and yes, buceta is the correct Portuguese word), and the best place to pick up a garota to take back to your hotel. So let me put in my two cents worth.
Eating pussy: I eat pussy every time I get laid--no exceptions. I've never had a brasileira refuse to let me do it, and the non pros or novice pros really seem to enjoy it. I feel comfortable with it because my assumption is that all the fucking they do is with a condom. If I know the girl gives BBFS I won't do it. I do it for two reasons: I enjoy it, and it gets me rock hard watching her squirm and writhe while I do it. I'll also lick her asshole too, if I find the girl really attractive, but only in the termas or in my hotel room. First I'll get a washcloth, wet it with warm water, and clean her anal area just in case, since the anal area is a breeding ground for bacteria. Garotas seem to love anilingus, and I get the impression that few Brazilian men do it.
Regarding pickups/return to hotel: you can pick up girls in Rio almost anywhere, so the real question is, where do find the best quality girls. The most obvious places to pick up garotas to bring back to your hotel room are Help!, Mabs, and Meia Pataca. The problem is that a very high percentage of the girls in these places are skanks. I have found the best quality girls at Barbarella, although I must admit I've never been to the Scotch Bar. If you pick up someone at Barbarella or any of the boites, try to avoid the taxis waiting outside. The girls will always insist on taking one, but be firm. These taxis won't turn the meter on, and when you get to where you're going they'll tell quote you a very high fare. Better to walk past them and flag down a comum (yellow and blue taxi) on Princesa Isabel.
However, I have pretty much sworn off pciking up girls and taking them back to my hotel, because I usually stay at upscale hotels (Meridien, Caesar Park, Sheraton), and it's pretty much impossible to get a girl into one of these hotels at night, especially if she looks like a prostitute. I wrong a fairly lengthy post a while back on strategies for getting a girl into a 5-star hotel, but in essence you have to do it in the daytime. I generally limit my fucking to the termas, and then, if I find a girl there with whom I have an especially good rapport or an especially good sexual experience, I'll arrange to see her outside the termas. The termas girls will almost always give you their cell phone numbers, and when they meet you they'll probably tell you their real names. When I call I make an arrangement for her to meet me in my hotel lobby during the day, and I tell her how to dress, which is in essence not to look like a working girl. I then get her to my room by pretending we're going to lunch in the hotel or for a drink at the bar, or actually doing so, then bringing her to my room. I've done it at all three of the aforementioned hotels and I've never had a problem. At the Sheraton it even works at night because of the multi-tiered nature of the bars and restaurants. Just take her for a drink, then slip off to the room. It's better in the daytime though; what better way to spend a sultry afternoon than frolicking with a beautiful garota in your room, then taking a nap, having dinner, then heading back to the termas? Some of your smarter and more personable termas girls make excellent dinner companions as well. The best reataurant in Rio, IMHO, is Antiquarius in Leblon, and there's no greater experience than enjoying an Antiquarius dinner while looking into the eyes of a beautiful brasileira.
Hello to All,
First time post,l ong time lurker. I plan to go to Rio in Sept, I just need top know a few things,3-4 star hotel in the Ipanema area that is girlfreindly, I plan to use only escorts.
Thanks,
Glenn in Alaska
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Prazer: Thanks, thats what I love about this site, you can learn something new every day.
Figuring out what to call the "naughty bits" in Brazilian has always been a problem for me. What one girlfriend thinks is cool, another considers filthy or silly.
"Buceta" I have heard more as a swear word -- kind of like "caralho" for dick. I have yet to hear a Brazilian chick say "fode minha buceta." They are more likely to say "buceta!" like we would say "oh fuck!"
Anyone have a universally polite word one can use in bed when refering to pussy?
Hey Fartknocker,
Try this. Perareka or Bucetinha. Its more gentle. Or Pombinha, which is a dove. She'll understand.
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That's right Fartknocker, AFAIK "buceta" is considered just about the most vulgar word in the language.
Maybe "perereca" or "xoxota" could work.
Euro100, thanks for the tips on where to meet girls in Rio. A couple of questions, that Ipanema girl bar you mention is that Garota de Ipanema restaurant across the street from Vinicius bar, I have been there but never saw a bar or girls just a restaurant, do I have the right place?
Also Boite Holiday, I had luck there in 1986 with a real nice 21 year old blond but I stopped in there last year for nastaligia reasons and the few girls in there I was like please don't touch me. Has the place gotten better recently? Have things picked up there?
Thanks for the tip on Plataforma, I think Ill have dinner next door one night and wait for the dancers next door like you said, what are the best nights?
Glen 8, check out the Sol Ipanema. They have a website. Right on the beach.
Any Americans or English speaking mongers down there that could help show a fellow monger how to find the hotties down there? Your advice will be compensated. I'm thinking of being there for a week in two weeks.
Thanks,
Snowman
Watcher, you do not have to declare a phone at customs..
Just bring it with you and get connected in Copa. if it's GSM just buy a chip.. you will need your passport and you must give them an address.. but no problem......
Kenn
Thanks for your prompt response.
Please clarify one point for me. I was told by people who received phone numbers in Rio that vivo would not give a phone number to a phone bought outside brazil unless it received a form from customs.
Are you saying that vivo no longer has this requirement or that I can get a number from a service other than vivo?
Thanks
Watcher:
Phones are cheap in Brazil. You can buy one with pre-paid service for around $80USD, then just buy minutes. Or you can rent a phone from just about every tourist agency for R15/day, thats about $5USD/day. They'll require a $100R deposit, BTW. Just in case you lose it. Then just buy additional minutes. The minutes can be bought at any newstand, gas station, etc, etc.
Snowman,
You DO NOT need help finding any hotties in Brazil, especially Rio, and especially in Copacabana. They will find you. Just sit down, order a beer at Mab's, Meia Pitaca Cafe, or go into Help Disco at night.
Look for these places on any map on Rio (Copacabana). All you have to do is ask how to get to these places and nature will take its course.
Also, go to Monte Carlo and Lu'omo.
TJ
I never had a problem using the word buceta with a garota but then I never called her one either. Just like here in the sates if you call a man a pussy, well thats not a good thing and if you call a woman the C version of pussy, ends with a "T" with a "U" and "N" in the middle, well thats not a good thing either. But if you refer to her pussy in a nice way, well thats not a bad thing. But I never used the C word with a woman, maybe buceta is more like our C word. All I know is that I have been trying to put together a little repertoire of Portuguese dirty talk for my biannual excursions and I hope IM not saying the wrong thing even though up to this point what I have been saying seems to have been working.
Well, I've taken the plunge.
I have my airline, and hotel confirmation numbers for my first trip to Rio. All I need now is my visa, which shouldn't be a problem, I'll get it this week.
My trip's scheduled for the week before Labor day (9/6/04), and I'm ready to start packing now.
I've read a lot of great reports while lurking on this board, so thanks for the great information, and keep it coming. Hopefully, I will turn into a contributor, instead of a lurker when I get back.
If anyone here is going to be there at the same time, feel free to PM me. I'd wouldn't mind having a beer with you, and to exchange tips and stories, etc.
And if I don't see you there, it'll be because my eyes (all three of them) will be on the garotas.
so far, i've heard/used the following words for "pussy" with various gfriends:
"xereca" (sp?). one gf used to refer to her's with this.
"perereca" one gf thought this an ugly word -- not flattering.
"periquita" this is also the name of a bird (and a wine) from portugal. one gf used this term, another thought it was a silly word.
"buceta" i have only heard as a swear word, frequenty used as an interjection by one gf. one gf said its a very vulgar word -- basically a lot like "c-nt" in english.
on the subject of male anatomy, i have heard the following out of various gf's:
"caralho" only as a swear word or an interjection, like "buceta".
"pinto" also means "chick" (like a young chicken, not like a girl). one gf used this word almost exclusively to refer to dick, while another thought it a silly word, like a little boy would use. like calling it your "peenie" in english.
"pica" the same gf who didn't like "pinto" like to use this instead. she was fond of saying "pica doce" ("sweet dick") to mean "nice cock."
"pau" also means "wood." i've heard this more in dirty talk between guys than in bed with chicks. the usage seems much the same as "wood" in english.
any other opinions out there on the best words to use for the dirty parts? i used to have a list of dirty words in brazilian portuguese, but it didn't have much in the way of explaination or usage. it would be nice to figure out the intensity and usage of these words for future reference.
Fartknocker:
Lucky me; my brazilian GF has told me while in the throes of passion; :D "fode minha buceta." i thought she was calling it pussy. little did i know :)
got to:
http://www.brazzil.com/blamay98.htm
and check out all the words for penis, prostitute, and vulva.
And to quote from that webpage:
"The late Carlos Lacerda, a journalist and former Governor of Guanabara (Rio de Janeiro) State, noted that "Brazil is the only country in the world where practically every word is a cuss word- even mother." :o
Hey Almotu -
Just to add to what you were saying about Solarium in Sundays. Yes, couples do show (not very many), and Yes I have seen and partaken in the activities in the steam room , more so the wet steam room versus the dry steam room. Although, I did see a couple going at it right next to me in the dry steam room.
I have visited Solarium on Sunday on a number of ocassions and seen 1-2 couples there each time. On one Sunday evening a couple arrived and went to the wet steam room. A guy from Rio I had been talking with said to follow him in the wet steam room There wer 5 or 6 guys and the woman laid back wihth her head on the man she arrived there with and we all begam talking. After a bit of informal chat she said something that seemed to get all the giys going. I inquired to my new friend what she said. He replied, she said she wants to fell everyone of us.
Well needless to say, every guy was stroking to see who could get hard quickest, as I slid my finger in her awaiting pussy and began to finger fuck her. As soon as she saw the first guy who was hard and a condom on, she turned around and backed up to him and he began to bang her, while the other guys groped her, and her man just observing. Once the first guy finished she took a shower, which is only a few meters away. She returned and gladly took each and every guy that was hard and had a condom (no condom no sex).
We all left and I saw them retire upstairs in the loung area. You could see in her eyes she wanted more.
I have seen other couples there on Sunday, but did not participate with them becuase I seemed to be busy upstairs while all the real fun was going. I noticed some of the women enjoy grabbing gys in the bar area while her man sits from afar just observing....
The Chacal
Euro100
My favorite place to enjoy one or multiple women is a Swingers bar (there are a few in the Rio area). Only couples are allowed on Fri and Sat nights. Pick a young lady of your choice and take her with you for a night you will never forget. And trust me on this, both pross and non-pros are very interested in checking out these places (most I have spoken with have never been to one of these places). I have taken both, pros and non-pros there and never paid anything more than the admission price and drinks :)
The Chacal
Chacal:
I only know of one swinger bar in Rio: 2a2. on Rua Figueiredo Margalhaes. I went to it, and found it too small. Where are the swinger bars you know?
Here´s a method that I came up with. Hang around the cafe in front of Help between 11 and midnight. Check out the girls going in to Help. The same hot girls who ask 200-300 reales in Help will take 100 for an hour if you catch them out in front before they go in. They like it because they can earn their admission fee and money for a drink. I like it because I get first grab at them before they have had anyone else that day....but I must say, nothing beats the termas.
Steven,
Great idea. Wish I had thought of that during my last 10 visits.
S
Here's another trick: This one's worked for me at Help and Love Story (in S.P.). I'm a little fiendish when I go down there -- I don't like sleepovers and I like to stretch 3-4 per day. That's just my thing.
Soooo, if you proposition these girls for a "quickie" (muito rapido) -- like an hour or so (enough time to get a quality nut off) -- you can usually get them down to less than 100R.
Let me give you an example:
I was in Love Story at about 2 a.m. one night (with about 3 other girls) -- the big rush doesn't get there until 3 a.m. -- and offered a girl that I had just seen at Cafe Photo 100R for an hour. She agreed. I told her (which she already knew) that we'd be back in time for her to land another john (I have a favorite quick-time motel around the corner from Love Story). Funny thing is, at Photo she wanted 600R (not a typo) -- and was pretty inflexible about it (though nice). Anway, the early bird gets the worm.
Happy Hunting,
JWadd
(P.S. Sorry for all the parens.)
Chacal,
I am sure that I am not the only one who would love to learn more about the swinger bar scene. That's one thing aobut Rio I have not experienced yet. It would be great to get the addresses and names of your favorite ones.
If you can help, then I will give a swinger bar a try on my next trip to Rio. I am sure that most of the girls I have ha din Rio would be open to this experience.
Thanks in advance
Euro
A Rio early bird special, I love it, gonna try it on next trip , thanks guys for the idea.
Was in Rio Sunday night, but due to previous Garota responsibilities, did not go to help with my work companion. It was raining and not much talent outside due to both the inside and outside of the buceta getting too wet.
The report is that it was basically high school night, with all dressed to the 9's, tons of very hard bodies, and VERY young! he said they were carding almost all the girls due to the new, young talent, and the obviously young ages.
Unfortunately, due to many previous, way overpaying mongers, all starting prices were in the 100 plus dollar range. This was almost all he said, for short time. (Listen dudes, Brazillian pussy is better than any drug, but why do we do this to ourselves? Five years ago, these same w------ were 50 dollars all night, and that was before negotiating! Well, I digress.)
He left with an incredible under 20YO for 150 Reals ST. We are guessing that was due to the high ratios of buceta to pinto.
I continue to here good reviews about scortshow.com.br, so lets show our appreciation and patronize this site, but remember to make that special date later, afetr hours for cheaper prices and even better GFE's!
I personally observed many, many very doable SW's all along Atlantica at all ahours of the day, obviously more after 9 PM.
I hear the increased daytime activity is due to wet days, and no available pinto at the beach for these hungry, hot, hard girls.
From my personal experience, if you are paying more than 100 R/ hr or 150 for 2 hrs for a SW or girl off the beach, you are WAY over paying. Remember, if that one special hard ass you see on the street is stuck a 200/hr, say ciao, turn around and be patient for her friend that will not be far behind.
Keep the prices down and tear up those bucetas!
Latina Addict
Someone reported many days ago that 4by4 was closed. I just called their old number an hour ago and when a lady answered and I didn´t fully understand her, I said "Quatro y Quatro"? She said yes in English. I asked her what time they opened and she said 2:00. I asked about closing time and she repeated 2:00 each time. I´m not sure if their closing time is 2:00 or she didn´t understand much English.
I don´t know where the previous information came from, but from this experience, they are open for business.
So I was in RIO for business and decided to go to Centaurus just because all the posts going back for a long time said that this is the easiest terma to find "model" like girls. So I arrived there at around 6pm and was told that all the girls had to report by 7pm. There was about 40 girls there when I arrived and probably 65 at 7:05pm when I picked a girl.
So overall not impressed with the quality of the girls. Not sure if this is reflective of Rio or just that Centaurus has different girls on different nights and it was just a bad night for me (would like to know the answer to that, different girls on different nights or not?). Just felt that the girls at Cafe Photo were hotter and ditto for Bomboa, Millenium (although less of a differential with regard the last two).
But that being aside, I did find a nice 21 year old fake blond and the service was excellent. She had the following tatoos but I don't remember her name. Just figure I would describe the tatoos and that might help someone recognize her as I would definitely recommend her. She had some small stars on her left breast, the word "sexy" on her lower back, and an angel just above her pussy. She was tall, (5'8 or 5'9), thin, around a size b natural breasts, nice butt, bit of a small belly (though nothing bad). Overall would rate her a 8. So I wanted some anal sex but she said she didn't do it but said she would do everything else. She insisted (about 4 times ) that anal was out of the picture but I eventually asked her whether she ever does anal. After she answered "as vezes" meaning occasionally, I knew I had as she just admitted that she does the deed. So finally got her to agree to anal and of we went. Went for an hour as I wanted more than 40mins.
Didn't find the staff a hassle and in terms of getting stuck with a girl at the entrance, I just told her I didn't need any assitance and she left me alone. I was speaking portuguese so not sure if that helped. Anyway, went to room. she left for about 5 mins and came back wearing some lingerie and looking very good. We got right now to business and she gave a solid BBBJ. nice depth and action. First pop was missionary. All in all, very nice action in bed with this girl. Second round started with some more head (sorry I don't DATY girls at massage parlors so figured no way I would DATY a Terma girl, but spent a lot of time rubbing the clit for her as she kept pulling my hand back down everytime I moved it off to rub her breasts). We then moved to some sex and then the anal sex. Boy, was impressed as she took it all in. Must say that impressed the hell out of me. usually the girls in SP only let me 1/3 to 1/2 of the way in the backdoor. She was fingering herself while I enjoyed the backdoor action. Switched condoms and finished up in missionary. Lastly, very good kisser. Highly recommended.
Also have to say, don't like the whole robe thing and felt that the girls were extremely aggresive. I had to push off about 6 before finding the one I like (partly the reason I picked her because she didn't try to jump me but just occasionaly gave me a nice smile). So guess I just in favor of the boate environment in SP over this first Terma experience. But the sexual experience was solid so can't complain.
Photo55
Hello all,
When is the best time of year to visit Rio, and or San Paulo?
If it were your first trip there where would you stay?
If English were your only language would it be hard for you to communicate with most locals?
I much prefer SW action.
Planning.
Thanks much!
"Listen dudes, Brazillian pussy is better than any drug, but why do we do this to ourselves? Five years ago, these same w------ were 50 dollars all night, and that was before negotiating! Well, I digress." Assflation hits every country.
I’ve been back from Rio for a few months now, so I’m a little late on getting this report back, but rather than tell you about how I’ve been so busy and all of that kind of stuff, I’ll just go ahead with my report!
Well, I’m so much of a traditionalist; I had to start things off at Centaros. The girls there are just as excellent as ever and there was an abundance of some showcase talent!! Be sure to take your shower before you go there, because they only have one temperature of water and it’s not hot or warm. Anyway, my intent was to go to the music area where all of the girls are and have a few drinks before I even thought about taking a girl upstairs, but before I could even pour my first drink into the tin cup, I had a girl on each side of me with their hands all over me. This is fun only because it just doesn’t happen all of the time here in the US, but I really did want to set down and relax a little. These girls at Centaros will constantly approach you, if you already are sitting with another girl and say, “you want two girls?” I have a hard time saying no when asked that question, but if you don’t, you’ll end up spending your daily rations a lot sooner than you anticipate. Anyhow, gulped my drink and upstairs we all went. I had been with 2-girls in Centaros before, but this time was much better because I was able to tell them in Portuguese as opposed to “sign language”, exactly what it would take to convince me that 2-girls would be worth the extra R$ 150… and believe me, it was. After a “solid” hour of fun, now it was time to finish that 6-pack. During beer #4, a really hot girl from Bahia with a nice tan, blue eyes and a perfect rack, came up to me at the bar and started a conversation. I thought to myself, “… just let me finish my 6th beer”. She did and away we went. After this I was exhausted, so I go back to the hotel for a breather. After a few hours, I could not stay in the room any longer and thought it might be fun to go look and have a few beers at Help. As soon as I walked into Help, I spotted this fine little thing that I had to bring back with me. For me it was feeling late, but it was still early at Help. I told this girl that I wanted to go ahead and leave, but she insisted on dancing for a few songs. I obliged her, but after a few songs I told her that I had been up all day (hehehe..) and told her that I was going to walk around Help for a little while. She quickly reconsidered and asked if we could drink a Caipirinha before we left. No problem. By this time, the lack of sleep and too much sex was starting to take its toll on me. We agreed on R$ 200, before we left Help and I promise you this girl earned every penny of it and then some. I was really too exhausted to enjoy the moment as much as I could have.
I begin the next day with my usual routine of hanging out at the beach. In the past, hanging out at the beach in Rio was a very bittersweet subject for me, because I would always see some stunningly beautiful women there, but I could not initiate a conversation with them outside of saying “Ola!!”. The hotel that I stayed at offered a beach service that had hotel employees that would set you up with a chair, an umbrella and a little stand for setting your drinks on. These people can usually speak a little English, but I intentionally spoke to them in Portuguese, which they seemed very appreciative of and it was like you become friends almost immediately. While I was on the beach they would make it a point to walk by and ask me if I needed anything or if there were any girls near-by on the beach that I was interested in. Some would even point some out and ask if I wanted him to tell her that I wanted to talk to her. One time I did take one of them up on their offer. I saw this girl before hand and thought… “Damn! She is hot!!” The guy from the hotel asked me if I needed anything right now and I said, “Yeah! A little bit of that!!” and pointed at that girl. Typically, I will look for girls that have that deep bronze skin, not too light and not too dark, but this girl was really dark, but mouthwateringly hot. The guy’s response made me laugh a little, he said “no problem, she’s my friend!” LOL!!! Chuck Woolery on the Copacabana… perfect!!! I talk to this girl for about 10-minutes and she ends up telling me that she is “uma programa”. At first glance, I did not think she was, but after she told me that, I thought to myself, “Good! That means we can get right down to business” and I was ready too!! We went to my room and she wanted to take a shower with me. To me, taking a shower with a really hot girl is one of the hottest things that you can do outside of taking care of business. After we finished showering, we went to my bed and this girl gave me the best BBBJ that I have ever had… EVER!!! I came so close to letting this be a BJ session, but I wanted the whole package. Needless to say, it was worth every penny of R$ 150, and guys… I know this has been brought up time and time again, but I really recommend that you through out the idea of making a programa into a girlfriend. After she finished, I asked her if she was from Rio and she said no, she was from Bahia. I asked her if she was here to work and she said that she was waiting for her boyfriend from the US to arrive Rio next week. She went on to tell me that this guy was coming to Rio to stay and they were planning on moving in together. I asked her if he knew what she was doing while he was not here and she said no and put her finger to her lips like… shhhhh. I thought to myself, “Man… poor bastard”. After this session I went back down to the beach and tipped the guy R$ 10, he seemed happy and asked if I had a good time…. “com certeza, amigo!”.
On my way back to my hotel I ran into to some of the guys that work at the front desk that registered me there the day before. Here’s where my trip begins to take a turn… and again, this is a good example of how at least attempting to converse with people in their own language will really work to your advantage. You’ll have to be your own judge of how much you need to learn, but it is truly amazing how many doors you will open, if you take time to learn a decent amount of Portuguese before heading to Brazil. As far as defining what is a “decent amount” is, you’ll have to be your own judge of that, but if I used Pimsleur’s Brazilian Portuguese I, II & III, and had no problems getting my point across and understanding most responses. Anyhow… when these two hotel employees saw me, will just refer to them as Juan and Jose, they remembered me from the day before because I spoke to them in Portuguese when I checked into the hotel the day before. They said that they were going to drink a few beers at a sidewalk café near the hotel and asked me if I wanted to go too. It sounded like fun, so we went to this little café that probably did not serve much more beyond beer. This place had kind of cheap furnishings (like those plastic Wal-Mart chairs), but made up for that by being located right on a busy sidewalk with lots of people walking by. Mainly locals who are a nice change from all of the tourist that you see on Av. Atlantica. The contrast between Av. Atlantica and one block behind it is pretty significant. Only one street behind Av. Atlantica you will see a lot of business people, average “Joe’s” and a lot of hot looking girls that aren’t on the hunt like the girls on Av. Atlantica are, but back to the side walk café… up to this point, I had only seen 12-ounce beers in Brazil and here in the US we have all different sizes of beer that you can buy. Well, this waiter comes to our table with like a 22-ounce bottle of Skol and I’m thinking… “yeah… this is more like it!”, but no sooner had that thought crossed my mind when the waiter sat down three little glasses for us to split it amongst ourselves with and I thought, “damn… well… when in Rio”. This was cool, because evidently this place was like a meeting spot for the people that worked at the hotel and they were all coming by to say hey. Juan yelled something in Portuguese to this hot little thing that walked by us, of course she didn’t turn around to ask what he said, but from that point on and for the duration of the night, I honestly did not feel like a tourist at all! Well, after a few more beers and exchanging a shit load of stories, Juan told me about this place that he occasionally goes to. This place was unlike any place that I had ever been to before in Rio. The best way that I kind describe it is that it is like a small apartment grouped with businesses and other apartments on the street. It’s one apartment with girls inside of it. There are no signs of any kind whatsoever and unless someone tells you about it, you will never know about it. He told me that occasionally he goes to this place after a stressful day at work and releases some tension (wish that was an option where I live) and best of all…. It’s cheap as hell!! R$ 50!! I’m like dude…. What the hell are we doing sitting around here talking about this place?!! Let’s go!! We all three got in his car and headed that way. He rang the buzzer like 3 or 4 times, but no one ever came back to the door (I went back myself the next day, but to no avail). After our unsuccessful attempt at this place, Juan suggested that we all go to this restaurant/bar type place in Leblon. I am still kicking myself in the ass for this, but I cannot remember what the name of this place is. On the way to this place we stopped and picked up one of their friends. Everyone that I was hanging out with (including the new guy) had all lived in the US and could speak perfect English. I am in my late 20’s and am the oldest in this group. Everyone else is in their mid-early 20’s, but the age difference had no significance on partying. Juan told me that E! did a special at this place with Brook Burke trying different kinds of Cachaca at the upstairs part of this place and I could totally picture her here. It wasn’t fancy at all, but it had this authentic quality to it, kind of like a Brazilian version of a Roadhouse restaurant. We could not have gone to a better place. As far as I could tell, it was all locals and in a safe place. The girls that populated this place were really hot. We all sit down at a big table and commenced to drinking the best beer that I have tasted in Rio. They said that this beer was called Chopp and it was very smooth, almost to the point of being creamy. It was excellent beer! We ordered a big plate of food that was made with filet Minot and a combination of like parmesan and mozzarella cheese. It was awesome!!! We were all BS’ing and I noticed this table close to us with two really good-looking girls and one FINE looking girl. I told the guys that I was with that I wanted to get acquainted with the hot-looking girl wearing an orange shirt and they encouraged me, but warned me that she was not a programa (this I already knew). I told our waiter that I wanted to send a round of drinks to their table and he appeared to be totally confused by this. The guys at our table said that is not a common gesture in Brazil, but I told them and the waiter that I did not care and wanted to do it anyway. The waiter walks over and tells the girls and their reaction was about the same as that of the waiter’s. They declined the offer, but I decided to go to their table anyway. I asked the hottest looking girl at the table why they didn’t want anything and she said it was because they were leaving to go to an area of town called Baixo Gávea and told me that I could meet her there later if I wanted. They thanked me again for offering them drinks, reminded me where they were going and took off. I went back to the table and told the guys what she said and Juan recommended that we all go there. He said that it was a safe place that consisted of a couple of bars kind of grouped together. That was enough for me and we all decided to go. As we were finishing up our drinks, Juan tells me that he knows one of the finest girls in Rio that he could hook me up with if I wanted. Up to this point, I always decline this sort of offer, because #1, it’s no problem finding a hot girl own your own and #2, if she is not quite as fine as they tell you she is, I may feel obligated even though I really would have passed. Juan and the third guy that we picked up on the way to this place kept boasting about how fine this girl was, how she worked out every day of the week and had a hellacious boob job. Juan even went as far as telling me that she was going to have a section in January’s edition of “Sexy”. For those of you who don’t know, this is probably like Brazil’s version of Hustler. I know every one that is reading this right now is screaming B.S., but don’t worry because I promise you that I was too at the time. I told Juan and the other guy that they were making this girl sound too perfect and told them that she must have some sort of flaw. At that point the third guy told me that her face did not have a real good complexion and that she looked like she might have had a problem with acne when she was younger and Juan agreed with that. Anyway, at this point it sounded like the pros outweighed the cons and I was intrigued. I ask him how much I am looking at here and he tells me to be prepared to pay at least $150US and I told him to forget about. I told him that this was not my first time in Rio. He continued to tell me how unbelievably fine she was and for me to just meet her tonight and decide what I wanted to do after that. I told him that sounded ok, but $150 was out of the question and he said that would be up to me to discuss with her… you damn right!!! After about 6 or 7 attempts for him to call her on her cell phone, he finally gets her. When he finishes talking to her, he says that she told him that she would meet only him and me at the Café Paulista. I asked Juan about the other two guys that were with us and he said that they would wait for us at a kiosk on the beach. At first I thought that it was crazy for me to go out of my way to only meet this girl, but then I thought that it would be an excellent opportunity for me to make a get away, if she really was not all that and a bag of potato chips. You could tell that Juan was sincere about this girl because his eyes would get big and his pupils would damn near dilate every time I asked him if this girl was really that fine. Off we go to Café Paulista… If you’ve never been to the Café Paulista, I highly recommend going. I believe it’s on the first block of Rua Constante Ramos right off of Av. Atlantica. I’ve been there before and you can sit either on a sidewalk table (my recommendation) or on the inside and have an excellent espresso or café com leite. After about halfway into my espresso, Juan says, “ah man… there she is…” the next few seconds went by in like a super slow motion, loud inner heartbeat and everything. This was my third time to Rio and I have seen and been with plenty of upscale, hot, sexy women, but this girl was in a different realm. For those of you that have already been to Brazil, you don’t need me to remind you that the brasileras are equipped with the best butts and legs that you could ever dream about and have sexy faces with a smile that knows how to make a man forget about everything else that is going on at that time, but… I’ve noticed that a lot (not all, but a lot) of brasileras seem to be slightly lacking in the chest area, but don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that all of them are and I’m damn sure not complaining. This girl was not lacking anything, anywhere and as a matter of fact she had plenty to share. She gets out of the cab and I want to say that she was wearing a white dress that was about 3 or 4 inches higher than her knees. You could see her quads and calfs contracting with every step. My legs have always been strong, but I dare not try to compare mine to hers. It’s obvious to me now that they were telling me the truth about her going to the gym a lot, but what they were not telling me the truth about was her face complexion. There was absolutely nothing wrong with her complexion. I did notice however that she had a tribal band tattoo on her arm. Tattoos seem to be slightly more popular with women in Brazil than they are here in the US. I have no object to tattoos at all, but I am picky to the point of which kind of tattoo it is, where it’s located and the size of it. Her tattoo made her remind me think of Pamela Anderson and when I told her that she smiled real big, told me thank you and said that she liked her a lot. I decided to invite her to go eat at Porcao’s and although I was leaving my friends behind, I knew they would understand. After we finished eating, she asked me if we could meet again tomorrow night, which was honestly a big relief to me after all of that food and gulping down so many drinks we called it a night. As planned, we met the following night. The girls in Rio are really amazing. This girl showed up at the lobby of the hotel that I was staying at and all of the male employees were looking at me like I had just won the lottery. This had to be one of the finest girls that I have ever laid my eyes on. We ended up going to eat at the Hard Rock Café (3rd time in Rio, 1st time to the Hard Rock Café). I had to pick-up a few shirts and glasses this time. The HRC in Rio is the biggest one that I have ever been too (has a dance floor downstairs), but the food is just like all the rest of them… same menu, same food. After we finished at Hard Rock, we went back to my hotel and at this point I am having the best time of my trip, thus far. Rio is incredible….
I ended up spending another night with this girl and had just as much fun as the night before, but had to call it quits when she started asking me for an advance so that she could pay her apartment rent which was due in just a few days. If ever I am asked for an advancement, it’s time to abandon ship… I ended up telling this girl that I wanted to spend my last few nights in Rio with a girl that I met during my last trip to Rio (which was true), so that pretty much ended that.
This was my first time ever to hook-up with a girl outside of the US after leaving and coming back. I’ll admit, it was a lot of fun, but not really worth all of the time involved. For the last few days, I pretty much juggled my time in between going to the termas, the beach and Rio Sul during the daytime and spending my nights with this girl. The termas and the beach are full of fun opportunities. Make no mistake about it, Rio Sul is packed with beautiful girls, but outside of checking my email at the bookstore and being able to drink beer while walking around the mall, I don’t think that it’s all that great of a place to hook-up with girls. It seemed like all of the girls that I saw there were only interested in one thing… shopping (imagine that!!). I’m sure that others will say that the malls in Rio are the next best thing since sliced bread, but that was just my observation and maybe in will be different after the next time I go.
I did have a hell of a time during my last few days there, but I think it would have been a whole lot better if I would have stuck to the termas during the day and tried going to different clubs and new places at night.
Not much else to add except maybe how much it sucks to head back to the airport on the last day of the trip. Have fun in Rio!!
Hey guys,
Thanks for much for your advice. I am going to Rio for the first time next week so if anyone is out there, let me know. Lots of beers and food in exchange for some local tips.
Two questions: has anyone ever gotten an STD or anything else by going down on the girls down there? I hear that Brazil has the largest number of people with AIDS. Are there some girls that are noticeably cleaner than others? For example, I am guessing the termas girls are out of the question in terms of oral sex but maybe an innocent girl on the beach willing to play may be much safer? I don't know....any advice? Thanks and will report when I get back.
Snowman
Snowman, I have never gotten anything from going down on the girls there (as far as an STD), but you will develop the "Copacabana cough," which could be the result of that, who knows. Just make sure there aren't any open lesions in your mouth and that the girls smells clean. A sign of infection in women is an unclean, fishy smell, and you want to avoid that.
Young & Restless: what a nice post. I am leaving back to Rio on Friday to celebrate my graduation from PA school and I am very excited to get back. I agree that learning Portuguese opens up many doors. I resisted learning for the first 5 or 6 times, but then gave in and decided that I wanted to be able to communicate more.
If anyone from this board is there, you can see me often being the only gringo to ring the bell outside of HELP.
See you there
"Chopp" is "draft" in a glass. If you liked a certain type, you would have to find the brand. Chopp in one place is not the same Chopp as the next place.
Young & Restless
Hell of a report, man!
Do you care to share the name of the hotel you stayed at?
HG
Snowman,
What is your trip looking like, where are you staying, who are you going with, how much money are you taking with you, what are your goals for this visit? Just some random things I can think of, bring lots of American Condoms, some KY, Immodium AD, Asprin, and if you can get those anti-Hangover Pills order them asap, they work great and wont leave you feeling High and dry the next day. Have a great time take lots of pictures and give us a great report, be safe, and for gods sake leave the expensive jewlery and items at home. I'm Jealous.
Y&R,
Sounds like you had a great time. Nice report.
I'll give you the lowdown on beer in Brazil, since it sounds like you are still figuring the bar scene out. To me, drinking in Brazil is almost as fun as fucking in Brazil. As you discovered, Brazilians are a lot more open and social than Americans. Once you learn Portuguese, you will find you can walk into virtually any bar in the country by yourself and walk out with a bunch of new friends. Its never hard to find a drinking buddy in Brazil.
The vast majority of all the beer drunk in Brazil is out of the large 600 ml (about 21 1/2 oz) bottle you discovered. Ask for a "garrafa" of cerveja. The custom is for everyone at the table to drink out of little 6-oz glasses from the same bottle. The reason for this (besides being social) is that Brazilians are nuts for super-cold beer. When a Brazilian orders a beer "bem gelada," he expects it to be served below freezing temperature. Beer this cold warms up fast, so everyone pours from the same bottle, and then orders a new cold one straight from the fridge.
The standard 12 oz bottles are called "longnecks" just like in the US. (although they pronounce it Brazilian-style "long-i-neck-eh"). Sometimes 12 oz cans, "latas", are available, but are not as common. I've seen cans more at outdoor parties, "blocos" (block parties), the beach and other places where portability and disposability are issues. Most Brasilians don't want to go out to a bar and drink canned beer, though.
Most lower end bars serve only garrafas. These bars, with their plastic tables and chairs out on the sidwalk can be found in every neighborhood in every town in Brazil. Mid-scale bars, often indoors and equiped with a little nicer decor, may serve both garrafa and longneck. Upscale bars and boates usually only serve longnecks. The garrafa is generally cheaper per ounce than a longneck, which explains why they are nearly universal at the lower end bars. A typical price at a street bar for a garrafa is about R$2.50 (sometimes as low as R$1.95), while a longneck will usually run about R$1.50 at a mid-scale bar, or up to R$4.00 at a boate or upscale bar.
Brazilians drink a light pilsner type beer almost exclusively. Dark beers, ales, and more flavorful, hoppy beers are very much in the minority. To a beer aficionado, Brazil is a vast desert wasteland. The most popular pilsner in Rio/SP area is, by far, Skol. Its a reasonably drinkable brew. I find Brahma, another very common beer, equal to Skol. Bohemme is decent too. Antarctica tastes very watered down to me. Nova Schin, Lokal and the rest of the cheap beers, in my book, are good for nothing but a hangover and a case of the beer shits. Basically, though, they are all just standard pilsners like Miller or Icehouse here in the States.
The most common dark beer around is Caracu. I love dark beer, but Caracu is way too sweet and not hoppy enough for my taste. Even sweeter is a dark beer called Maltzbier -- I'm talking sweeter than Coca Cola here. The best dark beers in the Rio area are usually imported from Europe.
The chope (also spelled chopp sometimes) is not a brand. "Chope" is Brazilian for draft beer, as opposed to "cerveja", which is always bottled. Unlike here in the States, you don't often find the same brand name available in both draft and bottle. My Brazilian friends insist that chope is brewed completely different from cerveja. I don't buy it, but I got tired of arguing with them on the subject. Mostly you don't order chope by brand name. Most bars, if they have chope, will only have one kind of light chope and maybe one kind of dark chope. Ask for "chope claro" if you want a light beer, and "chope escuro" if you want dark.
My opinion is the same as yours that chope usually is a bit better than the average cerveja. However, I have found that most places usually don't serve their chope as cold as the cerveja, and chope often costs over twice as much as cerveja in the garrafa. After a time in Brazil, I developed a taste for the stupid-cold beer that Brasileiros love so much, so I usually order the cerveja -- as long as its really "bem gelada."
I know all this is hopelessly off topic, but since half the pay-for-play action, and most of the non-pro action in Brazil happens at the bar or boate, I think every Brazil monger needs to know his beer. So grab your amiga, order a garrafa "bem gelada," toast her health by saying "saude" as you clink your glasses together, and get ready for a Rio night. ;-)
Snowman, JoshJosh:
I arrive next fri 7/23, for the 10th time. :)
I'll be spending quality time with my GF that day. I'm also planning on going to Sao Paulo, maybe the following Tues, for a few days. I'll PM my phone number, when i arrive. (Make sure your PM feature is activated) This will be my first trip without my wingman :(
When th GF, isn't around, i'd like to hang out with someone.
i'll be on Rio for 2 weeks, how about you guys?
I will be in Rio beginning July 21 for an undetermined period. Always fun to hang out with the guys. PM me if you'll be there and want to hang.
Lotech
I just got back from 10 days in Paradise and I can honestly say that my biggest fear is that someday it could all go away. This being my third trip and after working my way about halfway through Pimsleur Portuguese II I must recommend to all trying to learn some Portuguese. It made a big difference while negotiating with the chicas, the cab drivers and even when addressing the people on the streets. As usual the first night I bit early at the Terracao Atlantico with a sexy cutie named Simoni who for R200 gave me agreat BBBJ and Greek at the Vanity down the street. After our time was up she insisted that I come home with her to spend the night. I thought about it and said what the heck. In retrospect maybe not the smartest move but first night in town and all. We ended up using the other two condoms I had stashed in my wallet and I woke up in one of the noisiest damn apartment buildings in Rio! After a long walk back to the Marriott a shower and then hit the beach. I've never gotten laid by going to the beach but for some reason this Marvellous City seems to provide me with many firsts, which for a youthfull 41 year old single white man has got me wondering why the fuck didn't I know about this place 20 years ago? Anyway I met a light skinned blue eyed Garota after about 10 minutes and I left my buddy to pay the tab for beers, food, chairs and umbrellas with Jose' at the beach in front of the Othon Palace but he was cool and back to Vanity I went this time R150. FS and CBJ but at this point I really didn't care I'm in country for less than 16 hours and I've gotten hotter action than I've had stateside for the last 3 months!With women whose company I enjoy who, granted are being paid for services but did I mention whose company I enjoyed? Hell I don't even like the women I sleep with at home and truth be told it costs me a lot more! Next day I meet Lara at Help shes a really pretty dark haired deeply tanned beauty from Barra Tijuca who has one of the prettiest pussys I ever eaten. She was exceptional friendly sweet and down right appreciative of the fact that I picked her on a slow week night as the men were outnumbered 3-1. Back to Vanity I go for a lengthy 69 session finished by missionary which was fine with me because she's just so damn pretty. The next day I called her at home and asked her to meet me for lunch at the Marriott.She obliged and after a great cheeseburger poolside we resumed the 69 position in my room which was followed with some rambunctious doggy and we layed exhausted on the bed eating M&M's from the mini bar. She called her mom to tell her where she was I said Hi to mom and Lara later told me that she and mom were going to SP next week as she was getting breast implants($2000.00USD.) Later that night off to Help where I met up with Lilia who I had attempted to conquer over Carnaval last Feb to no avail. My friends who live in Rio have nicknamed her High Price Expensive. We exchanged banter briefly and she quoted R400, I laughed and walked away. As the night wore on and the Black Label took it's toll on me I revisited the negotiations with her which is where the Portugese comes in handy, and agreed on R250. She came back to the Mar-ee-ah-chee with me and to see this 5'1" 98lb beauty naked was a sheer joy. I ate her pussy for at least an hour then switched to 69 for at least another half hour and then fucked her really hard for about 3 minutes. And so it went for the rest of my trip jugggling chicas all the while remaining friendly with all and basicly ruining my chances for ever maintaining a normal stateside relationship with women of my own age. I couldn't be happier.
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it very difficult to read a report that is written as one long block of text. It's kind of like trying to eat an entire steak in one bite.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key every few sentences while you're writing, and thus break your report into smaller paragraphs, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]
Snowman66,
Whoever told you that Brazil has the "largest number of people with AIDS" is completely full of shit. From the figures I have seen, Brazil has an HIV rate only slightly higher than the US. The Brazilian government has been particularly enlightened regarding the fight against AIDS. Brazil actually manufactures its own anti-viral AIDS drugs and distributes them free of charge through the public health system.
Are there some girls that are "noticeably cleaner?" Yeah, I guess so. If you see big nasty herpes sores all over a chick's pussy, you can be pretty sure she's not clean. Other diseases can present absolutely no noticable signs.
The Terma girls are at least as clean as any hookers you are going to find in Brazil. Unlike some street girls, they use condomns 100% of the time and get checked out regularly.
My experience with disease in Brazil is that you have more to fear from the water than the women. I've never caught an STD in Brazil, but I've spent many a day shitting my guts out due to the filthy sanitation at restaurants and bars.
[quote]If you see big nasty herpes sores all over a chick's pussy, you can be pretty sure she's not clean. Other diseases can present absolutely no noticable signs. [/quote]I think it would be prudent to add that herpes may very well present no noticeable signs of infection, either. I believe close to half of women who contract it don't have symtoms.
Sorry for beating this dead horse again.
[quote]I've never caught an STD in Brazil, but I've spent many a day shitting my guts out due to the filthy sanitation at restaurants and bars[/quote]LOL!!
That's why I ALWAYS bring my trusty Pepto when travelling to a third world country.
Jonny Hit Run
I have been trying to get more info about the Vanity. How much does it cost and for how long? How are the rooms? Any info is appreciated. If any one else has any info, please let me know.
I know it's early, but I've made my plans to be in Rio for a couple of weeks in late January - early February to catch Carnaval. (First time for Carnaval, second time to Rio.) Maybe it's just too far in advance, but most of the Carnaval info online right now relates to 2004 or earlier, with very little info about the upcoming festivities aside from dates.
Have any of you been before during Carnaval? Will any of you be there for '05?
Hi to all,
I don’t have easy access to the internet at the moment, so sorry for the late response…
Headgames,
Don't mind at all. I stayed at the Marriott on Av. Atlantica. This is the second hotel that I have stayed at in Rio and I know that there are hundreds available, but as far as I am concerned this is the best one. It is a little on the expensive side, but IMHO I think that it is easily worth the extra money. First and most importantly, they do allow girls back to your room. They say that they don't want you to bring them in between 6AM -10PM or something like that, but that is BS. I brought them there at all hours and was only told once about the rules, but of course they let us go to my room even after the warning (it was kind of funny, because the guy that warned me was one of the guys from the hotel that I was drinking with a few nights before). Just a formality... The food there is excellent too. You could honestly eat there most of the time, but to me that takes some of the nostalgia away from the trip.
Snowman,
No STDs here, but I still recommend exercising caution at all times. Almost all of the girls at Centaros will give you a BBBJ without you even asking them to, but if they start to open one up before they give you a BJ, just say “sem condom”. I have never been refused for one there. I would be more careful with the SWs. Some of them are hot and will give you a hell of a deal on the price, but I think it is a bit more risky to hook up with them. As far as the AIDS population goes, I have read this site and I think that it is probably a decent indicator for AIDS populations in different countries: http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html
In case they censor that web-site, I will send it to you in a PM.
GoRio,
The answer is a definite yes! If I failed to mention any vertical action, it was because all of these words started blending together after typing so much. As mentioned, nothing to report on the first night, but the 2nd night and the 3rd morning were quite nice. This chick was into full body massages and that totally hit home with me, because sometimes I get the feeling that they want to take care of business and go (not all the times, but sometimes). After a nice, long massage, I had wood that you could have done a monkey swing off of. Typically, I make a conscious effort to last for a while; unfortunately I was not able to with this chick. Fifteen minutes was about all I could handle, but satisfaction is the name of the game and fifteen minutes was enough to achieve it. Looking back, I wish I had gone for my second-wind though. The last night that I spent with this chick was a little strange. After we ate at a restaurant and went back to the hotel, of course I am ready for the games to begin, but she said that she was feeling bad, so we didn’t do anything. I had not given her any money, so I thought to myself, “hey, if a hot-ass chick wants to spend the night with me, how can I say no to that”. The next morning was awesome, but again, 15 minutes tops (that kind of sucked). Once she started asking me for an advancement after that morning’s session, that was the end of that. I will never and I don’t recommend that any one ever pay in advance. If they want the money so bad that they have to have it right then and there, that’s my cue to find a different chick.
Lotech,
I have spent several nights at the Vanity. Keep in mind that it is nothing more than a honeymoon hotel. It seems like they have TVs in the room (I honestly don’t remember), they have radios, showers and room service (beer anyway), but no safes. The best things about the Vanity are that it is only a 5-minute walk from Help and that it is cheap. When I stayed there, it was R$ 50,00 per night.
Fartknocker,
It is obvious that you are the beer authority in Rio! I’ll admit I am a bit of a beer fanatic myself. So far the only commercially sold beers that I have came across in Brazil are Skol, Brahama and Antarctica (and I rate them in that order). The chopp was easily my favorite though. Thanks for the rundown on the beer scene in Rio. Can you recommend any good bars?
I’m going back to Rio in November. If anyone that has been to Rio recently could give an update on the fingerprinting process at the airport, I’d appreciate it. I’m mainly concerned with how long it takes.
Have fun!
Young & Restless
When I went to Rio in April, there was no fingerprinting going on. So unless they've changed it in the last couple of months; nothing doing. I am leaving from NYC to Rio tomorrow and am very excited. Look for the gringo ringing the bell at HELP.
This is perhaps a bit off topic for this part of the forum, but since Y&R mentioned eating in at the Marriott: Please consider going to a rodizio! There are many of these steak houses, and for me they are almost as big an attraction as the garotas. The price is reasonable, and it's all you can eat. Waiter after waite will come by with delicious meats, and you have as much as you want.
Try the side dishes as well. Usually, they are served on a huge salad bar. This is also include in the fixed price. The small fried bananas are a must. So are the heart of palms, palmitos.
Alcoholic drinks are not include in the price, but a nice cocktail is recommended.
The best places I have been to are Plataforma (in another part of this forum I have reported on the disco right next door as a great place to pick up women), Marius (at Leme beach) and Porcao (in Ipanema). I am not sure, but I believe that Porcao is a chain restaurant , but it is an extremely high-class one.
If you really want to impress a girl, take her to one of these places and treat her to an excellent meal. Of course, after you stuff yourself the business end of taking the girl back to your hotel might be a bit more difficult ... ;-)
Euro
Lotech,
The Vanity quoted me R70(and offered R100 for the whole night) the first time and said the rate was for two hours but I stayed much longer.
When I went back the next day I offered R50 and from that point on was my rate.
The place is not plush but it's clean and they play great tunes. It's spitting distant from Help. They even have a menu on the nightstand they'll deliver beer, condoms, and brought up a tube of lubricant for R5.
It's kind of a trip at night because it's a total fuckfest and the hallways echo with the sounds of chicas getting spackled and loving it!
They only other Love Motel I've tried in Rio is called Copa Mar and I believe it's behind the Marriott. It was nicer but more expensive but that was during Carnaval and the rates were being raised daily as the weekend approached.
Deviant Freak,
I went to Carnaval in 1998. IMHO it's something that's worth experiencing once just to get it out of your system, but not worth doing a second time.
To cut to the chase, your best bet is to find a travel agent that specializes in tours to Brazil and book your Carnaval trip through them. If you try to arrange things on your own, you'll pay through the nose. I wouldn't be at all surprised if even now, in July, it's too late to get a decent hotel room in Rio during the Carnaval days. Just bear in mind that the price on everything is jacked up, way up, during Carnaval--hotels, taxis--in fact, everything but pussy. In fact, Carnaval is the easiest time to get it free. However, this is the period during which many hotels will crack down on bringing girls to your room. But I digress.
If you live in a large city, you can probably find a Brazil specialist just by looking in the phone book. If not, look in the Sunday travel section of the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, San Francisco Chronicle. Since I live in LA, I used Brazil Tours and Travel, located somewhere in the San Fernando Valley on Ventura Blvd. You can probably get their number by calling directory assistance for the 818 area code. No, I don't work for or with them; I just used them that once and have never talked to them since. However, they arranged everything at a reasonable price. If you go, be sure you get tickets for the Sambodromo on Monday night of Carnaval week. It's the highlight of Carnaval...except for the pussy, which flows like water.
Lorenzo
I've looked into the Marriott and their rooms start at about $235 US, at least that what it says on hotels.com.
I have to admit, it's almost tempting to stay there, though, based on favorable reports I've read here. I like saving the money when renting an apartment, but I also value having a cool, quiet, dark place to sleep, and getting the linens changed every day (especially when mongering!).
I also enjoy a good comfortable mattress. So many in Brazil are those flat, vaguely spongy things, I've never even seen one in the States. Best sleep I had in Rio was at the Luxor Regente hotel.
Headgames,
Is the Luxor Regente the one that is right next to the Marriott? I've peaked into it and it looks alright. What's their policy on bringing guest back to your room? When I go back in November I am going to stay at a cheaper hotel, because my friend that's going with me doesn't want to pay the Marriott room rates (totally understandable). I am strongly considering the Rio Roiss unless some people have some really negative feedback on it. I think the Debret is out of the question. They told me that guest were no longer allowed there, but I took a brief tour of the hotel and was not very impressed. Is the Rio Roiss any better? Any alternative suggestions are welcome.
Y & R
Hey Lorenzo,
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I do figure I have to experience it once in my life. There's no way I'd blow $ on a hotel again -- I've already booked an apartment in Ipanema (averages about $60/night, including Carnaval!) and I got a good deal on air from LAX (about $770 on fares-fair.com, including a stop in Iguazu Falls before I come home).
The last time I was there was in the middle of their winter, and while I had a blast, it was a bit sedate, and I'm itching to see the other extreme! Anyone else who will be there around that time is free to PM me.
Y&R,
The Luxor Copacabana is the one next to the Marriott. No worries about the ladies there, mate. They will ask her to register and keep her ID, though -- when she leaves, they'll call your room to make sure everything's good before they return her ID.
Happy Hunting,
EM
Young & Restless: That hotel right next to the Marriott is the California hotel, it has been there for years and is a good hotel, its now part of the Othon chain so you can check it out on their website. The luxor Regente is more down near Help one block from the Debret and the Miramar Palace, it is more in walking distance to Help.
Guys,
Just got back from 10 fun filled days in Rio and had a blast again !! Just a word to the wise, watch your back. My buddy got mugged right around the corner from Help about a 1/2 block down Miguel Lemos. Three thugs got his empty wallet, he was smart and left credit cards etc. in his apartment. Roughed up a bit but no damage.....just be careful as always.
We hit Monte Carlo, L'uomo and Centauras.
Monte Carlo...used to be my favorite but talent level has been average for about a year now. Look for Luanna, 5'4" 100lbs, white complexion, short brown hair, great attitude and a pornstar in the sack. Loves to give rim jobs. Also, Lila, maybe 5' 90lbs, beautiful face and body and suck the chrome off a trailer hitch !!! Got me off twice in 40 minutes...nice !!!!
Luomo....keep hearing great things but didn't see it when there. Maybe we hit slow nights. Did a rookie, first week on the job and it showed. Very nice but kinda timid and gave covered BJ, only second time in 4 years, but finished nice. Can't recall her name, she was tall, thin blond with a cute face...
Cetauras.....hands down winner again. If you only get one girl here make it Melena !!! BEAUTIFUL with a killer body. Somewhere between mulatta and morena with a great smile and great black hair past her shoulders. Just alot of great looking women to chose from here. Slightly more expensive but worth it.
Still don't understand guys who get hotel rooms instead of apartments. You can get maid service in your apartment for a small charge and you have no hassels about guests. A room at the Marriott for $230 ??? That's 5 nights in a One bedroom apt. !!!! Think of all that extra cash for garotas !!!!
Termas girls do get fined for missed days and some termas, like Monte Carlo, will fire a girl if she is seen outside with a client from the club. Has happpened to me with respect to 2 girls from there....Marcio canned them both.
It's winter time a the crowds from Help are gone and the ratio of Mongers to garotas was great. Not to beat a dead horse but guys are still over paying. 300R + was the asking price for nearly every girl....tell them NO WAY !!! We held fast to a max. of 200R and had few turn away. Stay away from the "it's only an extra $33 US" bullshit....IT'S THE PRINCIPLE. A $100 US is a shit load of money, don't pay it !! OK, sermon over.
And watch your shit around these Help chicks cause some, not all but some, will steal you blind. Something like...."can I have a glass of water ??" sure and when you walk back in the bedroom she's going thru your pants pocket/wallet !! Once again, watch your ass. In my experience these chicks a in the minority but......
Can't wait to get back, Stay safe.
Hammer
Rio Bob,
That's the one!
RxHammer,
Looks like you had a good time in Rio. I have also had a similar experience with a girl from Help going through my pockets. She did it while I was passed out so I was madder at myself than at the girl. Thankfully she didn't get too much.
I have thought about getting an apartment in Rio. I want one that changes the sheets everyday and picks up a little bit. While I'm on vacation, the only chore that I want to focus on is having a good time. Also, I would want a decent one. I'm not saying the Ritz Carlton, but I have gone to a couple of garaota's apartments in Rio and although they were close to the beach, they were both pretty run down.
Recommend one to me (and their web-site, if possible) and I'll check into it. I'm going back in November and the current plan is to stay at the Rio Roiss. The pictures that I have seen look fair, but if I can get something better for the same price, I'm all over that!
Y & R
Young & Restless: Other folks jumped in and answered your questions. Luxor Regente is at other end of beach. Same policy: sign the girl in, and they charge you extra.
Kenn has a lot of apartments, search forum for info about him. Some folks swear by apartments, but I think you understand it is a mixed bag. You do save money, no question about that. The maid service may or may not be available every day. One nice thing about a hotel is if there's a problem, you just move to another room. You can generally get a quiet and cool room to catch up on your sleep. An apartment may be very noisy, or the A/C may not cool that great. That sort of thing.
For a really first class apartment in a great neigborhood, can't beat the Ipanema Tower. Full maid service and breakfast, 24 hour lobby and doorman. The published prices are high, but when I call them and mooch a little (corporate discount, stayed b4, etc.), they end up giving me the 2 BR suites for about $100-110 a night. This is where, e.g., IBM puts its execs who are there for a week or more. Completely girl-friendly, 1 block from Ipanema beach, Internet access in the lobby, great restaurants around the corner. Units have full kitchen, good A/C, 10 minute cab ride to Help. Much cleaner, safer than Copacabana, like night and day. Don't pay extra for the view suites on the higher foors, they have a view of the beach or algoon thru other blgs IF you stand on the balcony, not worth it and they will usually upgrade you anyway if these are open when you arrive. One bedroom in most units is King size, other has two twins and slightly smaller, so usually split the price 60/40 with my buddy.
http://www.ipanema.com/hotel/i.htm
http://www.ipanematower.com.br/ingles/index.html
How far are good restaurants and stuff from the Ipanema Towers? Heardgood things about it.
Probably 20 restaurants within 2 blocks.
This is like the Beverly Hills or Upper Manhattan of Rio, so lots of everything. One cheap and good restaurant right around the corner is CHAIKA. Just down from Chaika are two bookstores with coffee shops and Internet services.
Lots of info on Ipanema at:
http://www.ipanema.com
Come on guys don't be sheep and follow the crowd to Copacabana! Ipanema is 10X cleaner nicer and safer and just a 10 minute cab-ride away. Just because you monger in Copacabana for 2 hours a day, why spend the other 22 hours a day in a dirty violent shithole????
While we are on the subject, try out some of the girls at:
www.ciaplus.com
And similar agencies. MUCH nicer than the Help girls, similar quality at half the price! PIX are about 90% accurate, and they cater mostly to rich Brazilians and rely on repeat business, so much more mellow and eager to please, IMHO and YMMV. For further info see the thread on BRAZIL-RIO-ESCORTS.
RxHammer,
I for one would greatly appreciate it if you and others would refrain from preaching to other members about how much we should pay garotas. It's perfectly okay to tell us what you spend, and even the maximum that you would spend, but it's really not your business what others spend. After all, I am a grown man, it's my money, and I'll spend as much or as little as I please. If I especially like a girl, I will pay her a little more, and in some cases a lot more. In other words, I'll pay what it's worth to me.
I know what the response will be, that paying more will drive up prices for everyone else. My response to this is: 1) it won't, and 2) even if it does, that's not my problem. But here's why it won't: if I pay a girl who's been especially satisfying more than the going rate, then sure, she may ask more from subsequent customers. But that doesn't mean you have to pay it. We all know that girls can be bargained down. Does anyone remember the Jerry Lee Lewis song that goes, "the girls all get prettier at closing time?" Well, the reverse of this for GDPs is "todos os gringos parecem mais bonitos quando HELP! esta cerrando."
Just for the record, I have often many times made outside appointments with termas girls that I have received excellent service from, and I have written elsewhere about how to get them into top quality hotels. My going rate for them is US$100 per hour, which I inform them of when I'm making the date over the phone. It has never failed to result in the girl keeping the date and giving me excellent service in an air conditioned room in a luxury hotel. Now that's paradise! I usually take them out to dinner as well, off the clock of course.
Bottom line: if you try to act like someone with some class, you'll have a great time and definitely have a GFE. It's never failed. And swear off HELP! Most of the girls there are skanks. Find a high quality girl at a termas or an escort service and strike up a private arrangement with her. You won't regret it.
Lorenzo
Can somebody please tell me what the hours are for quarto by quatro therma located in the cento?
Thanks.
And I assume their prices are a little cheaper than Lu'omo and Monte Carlo. Is this true?
I will be back in Rio soon and I am trying to branch out a bit. I appreciate those posts on the smaller thermas in Copacabana and centro.
But I did hear from a friend that some of those places, even in Copacabana, are scary for a gringo. He said he felt uncomfortable in the Thermas Copacabana (I think this is the one located near Blockbuster Video/Citibank). Are these places safe, in general? Is the Therams Copacabana safe?
TJ
HeadGames,
Thanks for clarifying the guest policy of the Luxor Regente. After I read your post, I called them and they confirmed what you said and went on to say that they charge R$ 50 for your guest and the only way they will allow guest is if you are booked under a single room. Looks like a nice hotel that would definitely be worth considering. Thanks!
Y & R
Lorenzo falou:
"I know what the response will be, that paying more will drive up prices for everyone else. My response to this is: 1) it won't, and 2) even if it does, that's not my problem. But here's why it won't: if I pay a girl who's been especially satisfying more than the going rate, then sure, she may ask more from subsequent customers. But that doesn't mean you have to pay it."
Besides that, you have other reasons why the overall price of ass in Brazil is not going to go up:
1) The poor in Brazil aren't getting any richer. One hundred Reis will still be a lot of money 5 years from now, and there will always be girls who will do anything for that amount of money.
2) The birthrate in Brazil is still high, especially in the country. The innocent 13 year olds of today are tomorrow's fresh crop of Rio putas.
3) Brazilian men are NOT going to overpay, no matter what us gringos do, and the amount spent by Brazilian men on prostitutes absolutely dwarfs the amount spent by foreigners. You can overpay all you like, but you won't move the overall market price much.
The only thing that is going up is the price of ass at HELP. Outside of HELP, and particularly outside of Rio/SP, Brazilian ass is selling for the same price it was years ago. So if you don't like the price of HELP girls, get the hell away from HELP.
Hotel Paysandu.
This is a VERY basic type of hotel. Many of the rooms have no hot water on the basin faucet, the rooms are very old and the breakfast is horrible (substandard compared to even substandard hotel breakfasts!). There is also a lot of noise from mechanical equipment and the place looks like it is falling apart. Those are the negatives, now the positives; great Flamingo location on a quiet street near good restaurants and transportation, very friendly hotel staff, good A/C, very small addition for guests. All in all, I would not stay here as there are other better deals around town.
Chacal said;
My favorite place to enjoy one or multiple women is a Swingers bar (there are a few in the Rio area). Only couples are allowed on Fri and Sat nights. Pick a young lady of your choice and take her with you for a night you will never forget. And trust me on this, both pross and non-pros are very interested in checking out these places (most I have spoken with have never been to one of these places). I have taken both, pros and non-pros there and never paid anything more than the admission price and drinks
Chacal,
Other than Solarium, could you give us more information (name, address, tel. #) on the clubs you are talking about? Thanks.
The continuing sagas of our shameless hero.
When we last left our protagonist, he had finally gotten his brains fucked out in Sao Paulo (see full report in that section).
Moving on to Rio, where the mongering is not as good, but the living is fantastic. Beaches, mountains, forests, amazing scenery.
This time I didn't have the benefit of a local to show me around, but fortunately there were a lot of postings to go by.
I would have loved to have tried swinging at Solarium, but alas I was not there on a day when that was scheduled. Centaurus got great reviews, but 290R just for the entrance fee? Fuhgettaboutit.
Although I was staying downtown (Hotel Gloria, a nice historic place, but has no bar!), I decided to check out L'Uomo, since the consensus on the board is that it's one of the best termas.
I discovered a colleague that likes to monger as well, so we shared a cab to the club. When you arrive at the address, you'll see the name in neon up on the second floor of an open-air mall. Again, I was pleasantly surprised by how on the up-and-up everything was - the front desk girls explain clearly what the prices are, and exactly what to expect. Nice, no negotiations. Entrance is 50R if you don't end up going with a girl to a room, 35R if you do; girls are 150R for an hour; rooms are (I think) 50 / 70 / 90? For a room without bathroom (who wants that?) / regular room (suite) / and deluxe suite, which only means it's bigger - there's no rooms with jacuzzis or anything. You pay everything at the end, and the money for the girl must be in cash; the rest can be C/C.
The rooms are quite small, not as nice as the places in Sao Paulo. And L'Uomo is supposed to be one of the more high-end places! The bed is a single, built into the wall, with barely room on one side of it to get around. The bathroom is a decent size.
The club itself is also quite small - maybe 10m x 5m. There is a bar, couches along the walls, and a small stage on which they have striptease shows every 20 minutes or so. There were maybe 20 girls working the night we went (Saturday, about 9pm). None of them were stunners, but there were some moderately attractive contenders. My friend chose to go with a small, short girl AND a tall, lanky one. I hooked up with a girl named Priscilla - medium dark (black) skin, great medium-sized body, not that great a face, long dark hair. I liked her because she was smiley and seemed genuine and wasn't pushy like some of the others. We get in the room, and much to my pleasant surprise, she gets right down on her knees and starts giving me a nice BBBJ. I lift my foot up to the bed to give her better access, and she gives my balls a very talented sucking. Then she proceeds to rim me! This sends me over the edge, and I shoot a ton of cum onto her tits. She's laughing and giggling about how much cum I produced (it had been a few days since release), and we head for the shower. Back on the bed, she sucks me hard again, and we fuck in a few different positions. The intercourse wasn't amazing, but still good. Having cum once already, it was taking me forever to cum as we're banging away, and she was a good sport about it.
When we settled up on the way out, I gave the deskperson 20R extra, as a tip for Priscilla. They were really thrown by this, and didn't know how to handle it. Funny.
A few days later I was exploring Copacabana (which certainly does not live up to it's reputation - it's just a lower-end shopping district like in any other city), and decided to check out one of the cheaper, lower-end places mentioned on the board.
Avenue Copacobana #583 is an apartment building with a few steps up into a long hallway which leads to the elevators and stairs beyond. On the second floor are a few apartments that have been turned into brothels. I tried Apt. 204, as it was positively mentioned in reports.
It's basically a 2 or 3 bedroom apartment, with tricks turned in the bedrooms, and the greeting and hanging out done in the living room. You go in, pass a guy at a desk who collects the money at the end, and take your choice of girls (there were 3 there around 6pm on a Monday). The whole place is pretty sleazy - it doesn't smell good, look good, or feel good. Thusly, I chose to only receive a blow job. The girl was attractive (I don't remember her name) and good at her job, so I was satisfied. But I wouldn't recommend this place for anything more than a BJ - it's just too skanky. For one thing, you have to cross thru the living room to get to the bathroom, if you wanted to shower. It was also clear they don't change the sheets between customers. But it was cheap - only 60R for 30 minutes.
Other than picking up a non-working girl at a party, that was the extent of my experiences in Brazil. A fantastic country with so much to offer, and such wonderful people. I hope to come back some day.
Cheers,
Floyd
With all due respect to Lorenzo and Fartknocker, I have to disagree with you guys. Paying more than the going rate will absolutely raise the standard price, it has already gone up as more and more U.S. overspenders are discovering Brazil. If you disagree, go to some places where there aren't alot of U.S. tourists and you'll pay a fraction of the going rate in Rio.
Even if the locals don't get charged more, we gringos will. It doesn't matter how poor the girls are or how many of them there are, that Supply and Demand stuff only works in an intelligent market-place where people don't intentionally over-pay current price structures. Once people from another area force their priceing on people from another area, price will change. They will charge what they can get, not what the local economy dictates. A prostitute in Costa-Rica now makes more in a day or 2 than a doctor makes in a month. Why?, because of U.S. guys who want to "spend what they want to spend". As the price has gone up service and attitude has gone down down.
Over the last 10 years in Costa-Rica I've watched it go from $20 all-night with great GFE to $100 an hour with bad attitude, all because of an influx of U.S. guys that feel compelled to spend what they want and ignore the local market conditions. Now the scene is much more hard-core, less fun and more expensive- why is this necessary?.
Is it your busniness what you spend?- Yes!, will it impact others and effect the environment negatively?- Yes!. I don't know what you guys get out of overpaying, but it really does tend to mess things up. Over-paying, over-tipping and this "ego-driven" generosity changes the girls attitudes and creates feelings of entitlement. Next thing you know, they are not that different the gringas we go there to get away from.
I really don't think I'm over-reacting, I had to flee Costa-Rica for just this reason and am seriously hoping it doesn't happen in Brazil as I don't know where to go next.
[blue]Hi,
It's been my observation that the primary reason that guys over pay is because they suffer from fear of rejection.
I know, "fear of rejection" is a funny concept to the experienced traveler, but there are alot of guys who haven't been laid in a while, and when the prospect is standing right in front of them, they don't want to make a single mistake that might result in the chica "rejecting" them.
I tell guys who I meet on their first trip that they should turn down at least one chica every night just for practice.
Just my .02 worth.
Jackson[/blue]
Gentlemen, The following is why I miss Baries Sooooo much:
First, I would like to say that I thoroughly brief all fellow mongering friends completely, including the following two victoms which I am about to describe. I first need to say I have pulled out no less than 20 8+ Garotas from help in the last 6 or so years. The only bad experience i have had was on "Oh my pussy hurts" (Jackson must have fucked her earlier in the day). I have never been ripped off and have refused numerous times to pay up front.
I briefed a fellow monger for at least 2 hours on proper help procedures on last friday night. He went (luckiy) with a speaker to Help on Sat., 17 july. Arrived at 1 AM and left with "Dimanio" (her real name from ID" All was discussed properly and professionally in Help, ie. 65 US TLN until 12 PM, BBBJ, CFS, No anal of any kind and guaranted GFE or he did not have to pay. Remember, there was a fluent Portiuguise speaker negotiating with this C---, and she spoke a little conversational english. there was NO misunderstanding of what was to take place.
Even though I briefed him NOT to take a cab recommended by the Garota, he did out of convenience. In the cab after the cab missed the first retorno ( Hotel was the Marriot) to U turn back to our hotel, he got nervous and said in english to the garota " I he does not turn this cab around, I am going to fucking s
############# My post was erroneously sent when I hit enter Sorry...############## Any way my buddy said " If the driver does not turn this cab around, I and going to fucking sanp his neck over this seat", The Garota then in panic mode, spoke to the driver and he skidded the cab at the passing retorno and they then headed toward the Marriot. Price was a fixed 10 reals to the hotel, and he was sure that a hostage situation was developing.
At the room, a CBJ ensued, and that was his first he had a fucked up garota. After a brief FS, no anal session where she basically just lied there, she got up and demanded the money, and to leave. A scene ensued when he said it was for TLN, she said that would be then 200 US, and she stormed into the Bathroom. Based on the paranoia I instilled in him, he called security and they arrived as she came out of the bathroom. He saw the writing on the wall and asked they take her outside to leave. Then the following came out of her lyeing ass mouth: He did not pay me. I asked for 200 US after he wanted to fuck me in my ass. My father is a policeman, very bad man, he will hurt you. My friend said listen, smell the condom if you want, our deal was not NOT include her ass, and besides that, she was not that good!
Security then thanked my friend for signing her in and assures him that she will never step in this hotel again, and they apoligized on her behalf. She then demanded 50 Reals for taxi even though she said she lived around the corner! What a C---!!!!!!! he threw 50reals at her and 20 US each at the security guys for being so helpful, and they all left.
This C--- is named Dimanio (real name). Dark long black straight hair, dark eyes. Light skin, but with an Arabian look, beautiful skin, at least an 8 on the mongor scale, and 23 YO. She had phone numbers of other guys written on her arms in ink pen, and those were used as her negotiating tool to keep price up. She said everybody wants her.
The ratio was maybe 6 c---s to every swinging dick, no reason for high prices.
I also heard the same night in the Marriot, a psycho, very young C--- from help, got crazy and broke a lamp and tried to slit her wrists.
I still love help, but this is getting pretty crazy. I recommend the technique of jerking off before you go so those beautiful asses do not take away your objectivity, but then again, I a such a horny bastard it probably would not affect me or some of my friends any way..haha
Carefull out there guys, this dude was armed with a ton of info, a good hotel, and a pretty muscular build with a take no shit personality. Who knows what would have happened to a lesser mongorer.
Latina Addict
TJ Fannatic,
I was in Termas Copacabana a couple of years ago and it was pretty dismal. There were only a few girls working, and though they were very young, they were neither attractive nor especially social. The facilities were a few steps below Monte Carlo or L'uomo, or any of the other popular ones for that matter. It would take a serious case of blueballs to justify a trip to Termas Copacabana.
That said, I would say that I felt *completely* safe in all of the termas, including Copa. The vast majority of guys who end up in dangerous situations are those who disregard basic common sense on the street -- walking in dark empty areas, flashing valuables, buying drugs, etc.
If you're really nervous, it's very easy to meet other travelers while you're there and travel around in groups. Spend an hour at Meia Pataca and you'll meet plenty of people.
Thanks for the post Latina Addict. Two lessons.
1) Never take those cabs in front of help
2) It's always better to stay in a hotel.
Yada Yada Yada.
Tbuss,
Brazil is a huge country. Costa Rica would rattle around in it like a pebble in a tin can. It is absolutely impossible for gringo mongers to screw up the market for pussy by overpaying. The only thing they will screw up is all the gringo clip joints in Rio.
I'll give you an example. I spent four months this last year in Cabo Frio. This is a fairly popular little beach town about 2 1/2 hours from Rio -- practically in the shadow of the Beast. Most of the 20-something women I scored with had NEVER met an American before in their entire lives!
Another example: I met a Brazilian girl living in the States from Goiania -- a city way in the interior, well away from Rio and SP. Before she came to the US, she had never met ANY foreigner in her life, and neither had any of her friends.
So how the hell are foreign mongers going to screw up the price of ass in Brazil when there are virtually NO foreign mongers in the vast majority of Brazil?
When the prices at HELP start to get outrageous, take the following steps:
1) Get the hell away from HELP
2) Go to a Terma -- their prices are fixed, regardless of your nationality or language ability
3) Use escorts -- they cater to Brazilian men, so the prices can't possibly get inflated or they go out of business
4) Get away from Rio and SP. Half the hookers in Rio/SP started out somewhere else. Catch 'em before they figure out they can go the gringo clubs in Rio and sell their asses for 3x what they are worth.
Floyd,
Forget abouddddit. R 290 is not the entrance fee at Centaurus. It is the total for the entire program with one girl. It includes the entrance with tourist tax, the room and the worker fee. A lot of guys figure the extra R 60 or so is worth it for the quality at Centaurus. Yes, they do collect the entire amount upfront. You must have misunderstood something.
Floyd,
Excellent report in the Sao Paulo section! While you were in Rio, are you sure they told you at Centauros that R$ 290 was just the entrance fee? When I was there, that also included 45 mins. with a garota.
Also, do you happen to remember the name of that mall that L'Uomos is in (I think it is Rio Shopping, but I'm not sure)? If I had known the name of that mall, L'Uomos would have been easier to find. I would not rate this place as an upscale terma though. IMHO, to me it seems a little cheap, but the lower prices makes it a good place to go and plus there are some cuties there (better than Monte Carlos, I think).
Too bad you couldn't go to Solarium. For about the same price as a regular session at Centauros (I still think it's R$ 290). You could have gotten that jacuzzis room that you were wanting (it actually may cost more like R$ 310). Solarium has an excellent selection of garotas and they usually get really excited when you tell them that you want the jacuzzis room!
Y & R
Loumo official address is.
L’oumos: Rua Siqueira Campos, 143. http://www.luomo.com.br/
The name of the mall is "shopping centre copacabana", next to the Metro.
Other termas of interest in Rio:
Solarium, Rua JJ Seabra, 21, Jardim Botanica. http://www.solarium.com.br/
Monte Carlo: Rua Hilario De Gouveia, 19. Close to Av Atlantica.
Barberello. Rua Ministro Vivieros, De Castro, 24. Towards Leme end of Copa
Centaraus: Rua Caning 44, Cnr Rua Raihha Elizabeth, Ipanema . On some maps Rua Caning does not appear as it is relatively small, no problem look for Rua Railhha Elizabeth and you can’t miss it. On the border of Copa and Ipanema.
Quatro X Quatro, (4x4) Rua Buenos Aires 44, centro
Termas 65 Rua do Rosario, 65, Centro http://www.termas65.com.br/index.asp
Termas Aeroporto 216-C Beira Mar Av.
Rio Antigo Joaquim Silva, 2, in the Gloria http://www.termasrioantigo.com.br/
Young and restless,
The mall is known as "shopping siqueira campos"
Thanks D. Freak,
I think I will try out Thermas Copacabana just to see what it is like.
It sounds like Floyd Dylan was just in it recently and it has not changes much since your time there (lower end arrangements).
TJ
Tbuss,
I have to agree with Fartknocker, but I haven't been to Brasil in a number of years, so feel free to ignore my post, due to out dated information.
Those who over pay, for whatever reason, may affect the local garotas starting price, but all those who know that price is too much just need to laugh at her and she'll either lower her price to something more reasonable or she won't - in which case, you find a different garota. If all the garotas in one location (Help, for instance) try to play hardball, go someplace else. Brasil is full of willing women - pro and non-pro - and ALL the Garotas know this.
Rio has always been over priced, but this business of Rio garotas asking for $200 USD (or more) for all night is not new, they've been trying that with people, who they think don't know better, for at least 20 years now. Some time ago (February?), I wrote a report in this thread about an experience in 1988 with a garota from Franks bar who started (as I recall) at USD $150 I just laughed at her and after many negotiations and much laughing on my part, she wound up taking what cash I had (definitely less than USD $50) and with that money she had to pay my rather large bar tab, pay for a taxi to a motel, pay for the motel and then she had to pay for the taxi back to my hotel. If there was anything left, she kept it as her fee. To my amazement, she counted the money, talked to the bar tender, counted the money again, crunched some numbers in her head, then said "OK". To top all that, on the way back to my hotel in the morning, she told the cab driver all about our negotiations and said that if I ever came back, she would be happy to go with me for the same price!
He who cares the least wins! With that garota, I really didn't care if I wound up with her or not. She was definitely a hottie, but I was very drunk and the ratio of garotas to mongers that night was something like 5 or 6 to 1.
CW
Re: Termas L'uomo (please get the name right, gentlemen!), and notes on other termas:
Thank you, Bubba Boy, for posting all that valuable information to help your fellow mongers. However, let me make some minor corrections in what you just said about Termas L'uomo. First, note the correct spelling above. And you are right, Rua Sigueira Campos, 143, is the correct address. However, the shopping mall in which it is located is better known as "praca das antiguidades," or just "antiguidades," since most of the shops there deal in antiques. If you tell a taxi driver "praca das antiguidades," (if you don't know Portuguese, it's pronounced "PRAH-sah dahz ahn-chee-gee-DAH-deez"), he'll know exactly where to take you. If you call it "shopping center copacabana," chances are he won't know what you're talking about. It's a huge mall, spanning a full city block, so it fronts on both Rua Sigueira Campos and Rua Figueiredo de Magalhaes. Rua F de M is one way going away from Av. Atlantica and Rua SC is one way going in the opposite direction, so if you're taking a taxi from Atlantica, you can save a slight amount on cab fare by having the driver let you off on the F de M side and walking through the mall to the other side.
L'uomo is a little hard to find the first time you're there. It's on the second level on the Sigueira Campos side, overlooking the street. Just take the escalator to the second level, walk toward the street, turn right when you've walked as far as you can go, and you'll see a small neon sign, and you're right there.
To this day, L'uomo remains my favorite termas, precisely because it is smaller than some of the others. The staff is friendly, some of the people at the front speak English, the quality of the garotas is generally high, the prices are reasonable, and you don't have to wait forever for a room as you sometimes do at Centaurus. Moreover, you'll nearly always have a GFE with these girls.
A hint: you won't regret it if you ask for a "super suite" (pronounced "soo-pair SWEE-chee") when you pick a girl. There are 3 classes or rooms; in ascending order of quality, they are "cabine (cah-BEE-nee)," which is very tiny with a very narrow cot barely wide enough for you and the girl to lie side by side, no bathroom, which you can book for only 40 minutes--this should be used only if you're in a hurry and looking for a quick suck and fuck, not a GFE ; "suite (SWEE-chee)," which is slightly larger than a cabine and has a bathroom and a considerably larger bed, large enough to lie side by side and have a GFE, and which you book for a full hour; and the aforementioned "super suite." A "super suite" doesn't cost a whole lot more than a "suite," but it is a world away in quality. The super suite has a large circular bed, large enough to engage in all your fantasies, a light switch enabling you to control the level of light, and a large bathroom with a shower, large enough for both of you to use at the same time. I regret to say that I don't recall the exact price structure, but if my memory serves me correctly, an excursion to L'uomo including entrance fee and taking one girl to a super suite shouldn't cost much more than US$100, if that. (Sorry, guys, but I really don't feel like going through my old credit card bills right now to get the exact prices. I'll be sure to make a note of it next time I go. Maybe someone else could give the current prices for all 3 types of room, and the entrance fee.)
Of course, who can stop at just one? Garotas are like potato chips or peanuts; can you eat just one chip and stop? I doubt it. The best thing to do, after you shoot your load, is to go to the "relax (hay-LAHSH)" room, an area with beach type lounge chairs and a TV. There you can order a drink and compose yourself for the next session. Usually some garotas on the prowl will absent themselves from the crowded bar area and pop into the relax room, obviously looking for business. These girls know that you've more than likely just popped your wad, so they might be a little more aggressive than girls in the bar area, just to get you stimulated. If a girl comes over to you and you find her attractive, let her sit down. Chances are she'll stick her tongue in your mouth, then reach under your robe and start stroking your johnson, and will probably succeed in getting you hard. I've never had the will power to resist booking her right then and there, even if I didn't find her all that attractive; it's hard to argue against a hard on. So what I've learned from this is not to let her even sit down if I'm not really attracted to her, since I'd rather save my load for someone who'll really make me explode.
Another hint: nearly all the girls at L'uomo will French kiss, allow DATY, give BBBJ and CFS in any position. Some will allow anal, which doesn't interest me. I've been going there nearly 5 years and have had about 30 girls there. Twice, however, I've had girls refuse to give BBBJ and insisted on putting a condom on before they started sucking. One of them told me this is now house policy; whether this is true or not I don't know, but I doubt it. For me, BBBJ is essential for a satisfying sexual experience. So I've learned, before I book a girl, to ask her directly if she'll give head without a condom. BJ in Portuguese is "beijinho (bay-ZHEE-nyo),"
and condom can be the same as in English, or "camisinha (cahm-ee-SEE-nya)," so the question to ask is "Voce da beijinho sem condom?" or "sem camisinha?" If she says no, walk away. Chances are, rather than lose the "sale" she'll agree, since BBBJs are nearly universal in Brazil.
I have a question for those who have used L'uomo recently (my last time there was 2003, but I'll be going next month). I read in another post that there are separate charges for the girl and for the room, and that the charge for the girl can't be put on a credit card. Is this really true? Because if it is, it represents a major price restructuring. They used to charge just for the room, and of course they took care of paying for the girl out of the room charge, and everything could be put on a card. If this is true, it represents an ominous trend, because once there is a separate price for the girl, it opens the door to her becoming an independent contractor and setting her own price, and also to tipping. This is exactly what happened to the brothels in Nevada, which used to be a bargain basement sexual paradise, like Rio is today, but which is now a place where prices are ludicrously exorbitant. I must remind myself, however, that most of the patrons of the termas are Brazilian men who aren't chumps like Americans and won't allow something like that to happen. I'll post my impressions next time I go there.
It's a little harder for me to get to termas now, because I have a Brazilian GF, herself a former GDP that I met at L'uomo who is now a schoolteacher, that I live with when I'm in Rio. I'll be there for 3 months starting August 4, so I'll find a way to slip out and get to the Termas. She occasionally arranges threesomes with her, me, and one of three of her girlfriends, all of them current or former GDPs. A lot of guys would no doubt say, who could ask for anything more? What can I say, guys? Men are just dogs by nature, or at least this man is. I'll always be looking for fresh pussy, and I love the atmosphere of the termas, although I could do without some of the loud music. I don't know whether there is an afterlife, but if there is, I want heaven to be like a termas that goes on forever. I would just replace the loud rock music with Beethoven or Mozart, and have a Chinese food buffet on the side. Then heaven would truly be worth longing for.
But I digress. Other first rate termas are Monte Carlo and Solarium, both of which have high quality garotas and good service, and are under the same ownership. However, they are both much larger and tend to be crowded during prime hours, so there is often a wait for a room. I'll write about these two places another time. Note that it's best to avoid Solarium on couples nights, which are Wednesdays and Sundays. On those days, many Brazilian men come there with their wives looking for a girl for a threesome, so it gets rather crowded. I have heard very good things about Rio Antigo from secondhand sources, but I can't vouch for it personally. If you are staying at the Hotel Gloria or will be spending a lot of time in Centro, Rio Antigo should be a lot more convenient than the places in Zona Sul.
I think Centaurus is best avoided altogether, for a number of reasons, although I guess everyone should experience it once. Although it's true that Centaurus has the highest quality girls--nearly all are young and rate as 9 or 10--the prices sometimes double the other termas, where the girls are often just as fine. Moreover, Centaurus is nearly always crowded, and there is often a long wait for a room. I've gotten blue balls lusting for a chick I've already picked who is teasing me by reaching under my robe and rubbing my balls and stroking my erect cock, all while we keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting for a room. This forces me to start visualizing rotting corpses or something like that to dampen my libido until we actually get to the room and start getting it on. Oh well, at least this buildup leads to the best and most volcanic orgasms. When I finally get to shoot my load I probably emit a bellow that sounds like Lex Barker doing his Tarzan yell and that can probably be heard in Buenos Aires. But I try to minimize the amount of frustration in my life, so I avoid Centaurus. YMMV.
One final correction to Bubba Boy's note. Barbarella (not Barbarello) is not a termas. It is a boite or boate (either term is correct), i.e., a nightclub where there is a cover and minimum, and after 10 or 11pm, a floorshow. Men go there alone, and all the women there are GDPs. You'll usually see each one sitting alone at a table, so if you see one you're attracted to, just go over and ask if you can sit down, or just gesture if you don't know Portuguese. Often a girl will come to your table and ask to sit down. However, there's no place to fuck the girl there; you'll have to take her out. All the girls at Barbarella are high quality, 9 or 10, and they'll usually ask for top dollar, e.g., starting at US$200, and not for all night, just for one screw. Use your judgment as to what you want to pay, but there's always room for negotiation. Always, always, always set the price before you leave; you don't need surprises when you get to the bedroom.
A couple of caveats if you take a girl out of Barbarella. 1) Don't take one of the taxis waiting outside, even if the girl insists. These drivers will always refuse to turn the meter on, then charge you a high price when you get to where you're going. In other words, a ripoff. Your best bet is just to walk down to Avenida Princesa Isabel and flag down a taxi. 2) If you can't take the girl back to your hotel, never go to a motel that she suggests. They will rip you off. I'm speaking from experience. The first time I was in Rio, I picked up a girl at Barbarella, took a taxi in front and got ripped off, went to the motel she suggested in Copacabana, and when it came time to leave was presented with a bil for about US$150, just for an hour and a half at the most. Boy, did I learn that lesson fast! If you need a place to go, tell the driver to take you to Shalimar or Sinless on Avenida Niemeyer. Both are very high quality motels that are reasonably priced. I recall staying there for 2-3 hours and paying less that US$50. The rooms are super, tri-level, huge bed with a mirrored ceiling, with a jacuzzi on the roof. Perfect for a GFE on a moonlit night, or for sunbathing in the daytime. 3) Since you probably won't be getting a girl from Barbarella cheap, bargain for keeping her all night; why settle for just one fuck when you can get 2 or 3. Use the words "toda a noite (TOO-da ah NOY-chee)" or "ate amanha (ah-TAY ah-muh-NYAH)" when you're doing your bargaining. You can do your sleeping tomorrow. Six hours at Shalimar or Sinless should only cost US$60-75. Again, I'll check the prices next time I go.
One final thought: I've never especially been an admirer of Donald Trump, but I've always taken to heart something he said in his book, "The Art of the Deal"--"never enter into a negotiation you're not willing to walk away from." This is good advice, and it's nowhere more appropriate than it is with mongering. Don't forget who's paying, so you call the shots.
Good mongering, everybody!
Lorenzo
Can anyone give me detailed pricing on Rio. I've read through a lot of reports but there is very little pricing information and most of the prices are really high like 200-300 Reais ($70-100) which is unaffordable to me. I'm coming from Buenos Aires where the average prices are more like $20-$50. Where do all of the Brazillian men go for prostitution that are paying much lower prices as in Buenos Aires?
Rio is a gigantic city and I'm sure there is far much more to the scene than Copocabana and Ipanema. Specifically I'm thinking of the urban neighborhoods along bay north of the center. Has anyone not explored outside of the tourist circuit?
Fartknocker,
I know that the nether regions won't get spoiled unless Americans start going there, but I like Rio and I like Help. I don't see why a good thing has to be ruined. Besides that, once the prices go up to high at Help (which they are), American mongers will start hitting other places in Rio and pay/tip too much at those places and you'll have the same effect at these places. Then all of Rio will be priced out with obnoxious, spoiled girls giving bad service. I don't want to have to go to back woods Brazil not to have to pay close to American prices and get "American" style service. I'm sure the overt-payers and over-tippers will continue to do their thing and ruin a good thing, my only question is why?
I never understood why so many people hate or wont go in Centauras. My first time there I had a wonderful time and picked an ego driven super nice garota. She (cant remember her name) was shapely, well proportioned and pretty. The garota was possibly the most accomodating women i've ever met.
After getting me in the cabine and stripping me naked and checking out my dick she informed me that I could do anything that I wanted to her(how nice).
She patiently took her time to kiss my balls and dick and made me feel great. After getting me all worked up she then nuzzled her little nose between my leg and balls and tells me in her best english that she loves the smell of my sexuality ( Does anybody think this is a good time to start complaining about the high prices and grumpy management). She started using my dick to beat her tits and showing/encouraging me to start smacking her face with my dick. I'm like thinking THANK GOD that I just got laid this morning so I have some control. Oh yea, and that cute little grin and sinister giggling as I'm smacking my dick across her face OH MY GOD.
Well, after fucking for a while, different positions etc..she pulled me out and TOLD me to fuck her in the ass. My dick was rock hard and i was in complete control of not losing it early. I entered her slowly because she was tighter than other woman i've had but it all seemed to fit perfectly. We developed a perfect rythmic, symbiotic long stroking action which was simply blowing my mind. After a period of time (not just a few minutes) I couldnt believe she could handle all this but she was a trooper, probably more into it than me if possible. At one point I step up the pace and start doing it shorter and quicker strokes but actually just hanging on to her hips for fear of losing my senses and equilibrium and possibly falling off the bed. Ive never seen so much action since i was a little kid at Barnum and Baileys 3 ring circus. She had one shoulder pinned to the mattress, the other one up, legs interlocking for better rocking action, checking me in the mirror but also cranking her head around like an owl, bucking her ass up against my hip flexors, making gutteral sounds from the base of her stomach and lungs. Then, all of a sudden, 4 fingers up her gash and OH MY GOD Ive never felt anything like this. She senses my gushing orgasm and starts milking my dick by contracting her sphincter muscles like some women can do with their pussy. The feeling is so good I almost need to stop but i keep going because i've never felt anything like this before. I have no strength left, and collapse my 200+ lb body down on her, pinning her to the mattress. I'm sucking wind, seeing stars etc. and then when I gather my senses i see that she is also on the verge of fainting and tells me she could barely handle it too (with a big tired grin on her face). We spend the rest of the hour holding each others sweaty bodies, sucking wind and teasing each other with fantasy phone calls to the paramedics to bring us oxygen and defibullator paddles.
OOPS! Sorry to go off in such a long winded rampage but WTF.
I read about so many people that wont go in Centauras because theyre rude and expensive (the gringo prices),but i figure WTF.
I figure if not many Americans go to this place then maybe all the better for me, at least that day it was. I have been back to Centauras and service was more ordinary and comparable to the other popular termas, but like i say WTF- if I never went.
All in all, what can I say. The best time in my life for a $100 bill, big deal.
And of course, always remember (YMMV).
Good Info Lorenzo, I apoligize for the error of putting in Barbarella as a terma. I simply cut and pasted the addresses from my own personal address file for Rio and hence it slipped in. I posted the addresses because the first time I went to Rio I found it difficult to find all the places mentioned on these boards, and lost valuable terma time in locating them. One day I will get around to organising this file and post it somewhere in its entirety, I don't think it would fit here as it would be over 50 pages, maybe a summarised version.
In regards to L'oumo these days, all money is still paid on the way out, there is no negotiation with the girls on the inside about cash, which is something I like better than the termas in Sampa. The management does break the bill down and the part which is the girl fee has to be paid in cash, if you get stuck with no cash you can usually work this out although you will feel a bit silly as when you walk in the receptionist will very cleary state all prices and the cash factor.
Entrance is R50 (reduced to R30 if you fuck a girl), Cabine for 40minutes R50, Girl fee for 40 minutes R120. One hour rate, which you get a slightly better room with shower, Room R70, Girl R150. The super suite is only an additional R20 from memory (but don't quote me) and in my opinion a bit noisy as it is the first room next to the dance fllor. Drinks are reasonable, about R5 for a beer and R10 for cocktails.
The prices are very similar if not identical at Solarium or Monte Carlo. The big centro termas (4x4 & T65) are probably 25% less than L'oumo prices. Centauraus is probably at least 50% more than L'oumo prices and you get nothing more for your money, IMHO, this is why people grumble about the place and the fact that everything is more pressurised there.
I am back in Rio August 5, the time goes so slow when you are counting down the days to TERMA TIME!
Lorenzo:
Sorry to report, but it's true regarding the seperate charges for the room and the girl. Termas Monte Carlo and 4x4 also do this. I'm not 100 % positive if Solarium also does it.
I, like you, also have a Brasilian GF, and will get away when i can and visit some termas. woof, woof!!
Bazinga:
The problem I had with the Centaurus garotas, one who looked like Britnney Spears Brazilian cousin, was the ordinary, lackluster sex in the suite. In the Boate, they were all lovey dovey, and very flirtatious. Yes, most of these garotas are very attractive. And these Garotas REALLY know how to get a guy going. But once in the suite I was let down. I even had one garota turn me down because I didn't want to do a dupla with her friend, (the friend wasn't that attractive.) I've spent less in other Termas and had a much better time: For what I spent on one Centaurus Garota, I coulda had a dupla at another termas. But like you said YMMV.
Havrum:
You're going to have to go where the locals go. Look at D freaks post below about Termas Copacabana.
You'll find the quality of the garotas is lower: They're older, not as fit. You may get lucky and find a diamond in the rough. The facilities in these places will not be the best. The best part about these places: expect to pay R1 a min. These places are everywhere. You won't find many gringos in them. Also don't expect hear english in theses places.
I will be in Rio this friday 7/23, 2 week stay :D
If somebody is kind enough to explain some terms used very frequently in here. I have desciphered some of them but not sure if i am right:
YMMV
GDP and its variants
DATY
BBBJ and its variants
CFS
GFE: gril friend experience
Are there more?
Thanks in advance
Respin05,
YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary, i.e., your experience may be different from mine, or to each his own.
GDP = Garota de programa. Used only in Brazil, it means a working girl, i.e., a prostitute. Working girls say among themselves that another working girls is 'no programa," i.e., "in the program."
DATY = dining at the Y, i.e., eating pussy.
BBBJ = bareback blow job, i.e., oral sex without a condom.
CFS = covered full service, i.e., penile-vaginal intercourse with a condom.
GFE = girl friend experience. Really now, what that means is something you should be able to figure out for yourself.
Yes, there are more. All of these except GDP are explained under 'Terms & Abbreviations,' which you can click at the top of the screen.
Lorenzo
Respin,
Look to the left of your screen and click on Forum Abbreviations...
Y & R
Lorenzo,
I was in Barbarella last November and I didn't have such a bad experience there. First of all, I didn't find all of them 9 or 10 but the average was definitely better then in the Help.
Anyway, I got there and was seated by a waiter. They asked me what I wanted to drink and I ordered a caipirinha. Not much later a girl came up to me and started to chat me up and asked if I wanted to go with her. First she asked me 300 reais but I countered and got her down to 250 reais. I didn't really like her so I didn't take her with me. A friend of mine met another girl there and wanted to meet her outside but she refused being from Sao Paulo and new to Rio. She was afraid to go outside alone.
Soon after that we left en paid 110 reais for 2 drinks and cover. The waiter told me that if you take a girl with you, you have to pay another 50 reais but you can ask the girl to meet you outside.
All in all, I didn't have such a bad experience there alhough I didn't take a girl with me but you pay 50 reais entrance plus drinks (don't know how many but at least one). I got a few quotes from the girls but you can easily get a girl there for 250 reais all night. Ok, I didn't get a quote from the 9 or 10's so I don't know how much they ask. I guess you're a bit more edgy in Barbarella then in the Help because you're more in control in the Help on the other hand its more relaxed there (since the whole world goes to the Help these days) and better girls.
Next time I'm in Rio I am definitely going back there and I don't really understand why not more guys goto Barbarella and report about it.
Happy mongering,
Raj72
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Thanks Y&R!
I am enlightened!
Respin,
YMMV=your mileage may vary. it is from the old car commercials that advertised on tv. EXAMPLE= 30 mpg highway 24 mpg city with the disclaimer that "your mileage may vary" depending on your personal driving habits. LOL.
GDP=garota de programma
DATY=dining at the Y, or eating pussy
BBBJ=bare back blow job or no condom
CFS=condom or covered full sex
and yes there are more.
Chingon,
Ive had fantastic sex in most termas and fair sex in most termas and ive found that nothing is written in stone. Theres probably alot to be said about presentation, flirting, chemistry etc. The problem is you never know what you're gonna get until you get in bed and sometimes then its too late.
The terma girls in my opinion sometimes have large bundas and i like small bundas so my choice is based on the size of the bunda 1st, then looks, attitude etc. hey what can I say I'm an ass man.
The girl I wrote about yesterday didnt have a small bunda but it was the smallest bunda in Centauras (some of them are large) and I got lucky with her.
Ive also had similar experiences of tired and bored girls that barely go thru the motions at most of the termas. I guess i just forget about those experiences and dwell on the fantastic experiences.
The reason that I started going to Centauras was because I was wearing out M/C, L'oumo, Solarium etc. The girls get terrortorial, jealous etc. and I want variety, different girls etc. and I want my vacation to go my way, so sometimes there are problems.
Maybe on my next vacation i will use the escort services. They seem to be cheaper and ill explain to the guy that i want a new slender girl every day and see what happens. I know you can turn away girls with taxi money.
I was wondering, Has anybody stayed in a hotel (if so, WHICH HOTEL?) and just ordered escorts, maybe 1 or 2 a day every day for a week or 2? Ive stayed at the Meridian, The Debret and The Apoadoar and currently the Apoadoar is the only one that is guest friendly. I'm just not sure how guest friendly they are when I start pulling in 1 or 2 girls per day. Last time I was at this hotel, I was the only monger there. I never saw anybody bringing girls back to the hotel, which means I stood out like a sore thumb. I'm not saying they had a problem with me bring girls back but there'd be 4 guys behind the counter emotionless, not smiling or encouraging me in anyway and after 14 days of dealing with the "walk of shame" I'm wondering if there's an easier way.
Are there any hotels that have clean, decent rooms with American type comfortable mattresses etc. that LOVE to see or encourage you to bring the girls back? it just might make me feel more comfortable.
PS. No I dont think I want an apt. with no safe, no clean towels, no real security, and a thin mattress which I'll hate.
Any help is appreciated!
Later GUYS!
GDP is not on the list but it is Garota De Programa a.k.a., a girl on the program a.k.a. girl for hire
Anyone know of a tour guide that goes to Rio? I thought I saw a post in the past where someone took one from Florida. I'm from Michigan and don't speak the language. I want to head down in November or Dec 04., and would like some help/advise. I'm open to any advise that can be given. I've done Thialand and had a blast, want to try something new and its btwn Rio and the D.R. Thanks for any and all help.
Patrol2
"Anyone know of a tour guide that goes to Rio? I thought I saw a post in the past where someone took one from Florida. I'm from Michigan and don't speak the language. I want to head down in November or Dec 04., and would like some help/advise. I'm open to any advise that can be given. I've done Thialand and had a blast, want to try something new and its btwn Rio and the D.R. Thanks for any and all help"
Patrolman:
Let me see if I understood you correctly:
You want one of the following:
1. A guide who accompany you from the US?
Or
2. Just need advice and/or help?
Ok, if you just need advice or help this forum is very helpful. You will find tons of info about everything: mongering places, hotels attributes and prices, where to stay, where to sightsee, safety tips ( very important!!!!), transportation, what to bring, how to dress, etc, etc . Pretty complete info indeed.
If you add a good guide book such as Lonely Planet or other reputable travel series, you have a pretty complete set of tools to have a great vacation not only in Rio but in the whole country as well. Information is pretty much the most powerful tool needed to have a wonderful vacation.
But…there is also another ingredient needed to have a great and safe vacation in Brazil. This is a country particularly dangerous and Rio ( and SP) is pretty much the most dangerous place for the careless tourist (even worst for the careless monger). Rio is, along with Medellin, Colombia, and another city I don’t remember now, the most dangerous city in the world with the highest homicide rate. Even though crime usually won’t affect the average tourist, a careless traveler might get in deep shit really quick.
The ingredient I am talking about is knoweldge!…experience!
The safety aspect is where the experience of a guide (or a travelling companion) comes handy. A guide (or fellow monger ) with experience in Rio will keep you safe and away from trouble. There are numerous dangers that come with mongering: being robbed, drugged or both, even the worst!!. Mean garotas are searching for easy prey to rob in Help and many other places. If you read the forum you will find many histories of what I am talking about. This doesn’t mean you should not go to Rio, please go… but you have to be alert first, and then…relax and have a great time!
I have been in Rio six times since 1996. Only twice I have had companions but I have done quite well overall. But also I have had my pitfalls:
In 2000 I got drunk in Help and I was “picked up” by this garota who aggressively kept all other girls away from me. At the time I was flattered that a girl would “ want” me that bad. Stupid me I did not see this one coming. I took her to my hotel and I passed out. While sleeping she took all my wallet money (more than $100), found the safe key and took another $200.
Even though we agreed that she would stay all night, as soon as she had the money she took off. The next day I had to catch a flight to Salvador in the morning and did not have time or the desire to try to catch her: you know calling the cops, opening an investigation, etc. She ( very smart move!!!!) did not take ALL the money because in that case I would have stirred a major scandal. By leaving some money it would be very difficult to prove the amount of money I had. So I decided to just accept the fact and learn from my stupidity. The garota ( I usually see her every time I go to Help!!!) did not even had to drug me! I was so drunk! I made her job easier!
Another time in Manaus I left a borrowed cellular inside my borrowed car in front of Remulos. I thought it was well hidden but when I came back it was gone. I thought the flanelinhas would watch after the car and its content!!!! Duh…Stupid me again!! Result. Of course when I came back to the car no flanelinhas in sight… I bought a replacement for $120.
I don’t want to mention the times I have been ripped off by hotels, taxis, motels, etc,etc.
The point of all this blah…blah…blah is: Experience only comes pretty much from experience. It is really difficult to put a price on it. You learn from your mistakes…And when you are travelling alone…chances are that you are going to do some stupid things or let your guard down: be it overspending or getting ripped off by a GDP. This does not ( or would be a lot more difficult) happen if you are travelling with a guide or experienced companion.
As I said, I have been 6 times to Brasil (9 times in Rio) and been thru 5 carnavals. I have spent more than $15k in my trips. The experience I have has not come cheap. On the contrary, it has been very expensive. But now I have all the experience and travel skills to go around safely and cheaply.
Additional pluses that came from experience:
In my first trip I paid $900 in a round trip, today I spend no more than $560 ( and in high season) for the same. I used to pay more than $100 per night at the hotel, today I spend no more than $60 ( yes in high season too).
I live in Miami. In the near future I expect to start doing some business with my best friend who lives in Manaus. I am expecting to travel every 2-3 months there. I usually make a stopover in Rio. I love The Cidade Maravilhosa and I am always looking for travel companions to look after each other when mongering. As they say there is safety in numbers. In February of this year I took 3 friends to Carnaval, we went to Rio, Recife and Salvador. We had a blast , they love it, and were very happy to have a “guide” who knew the places, spoke the language and lead the troops in the mongering battle. They know now where is paradise.
I try to convince other friends to come down with me to Brazil but unfortunately most people here thinks that Brazil is only worth visiting during Carnaval. They don’t know better!!!
If you would like to have an experienced buddy travelling with you let me know. If someone in this forum wants a companion who speaks portuguese, show you around the city , take you to the mongering places, avoid the tourist traps, help you save money for hotels, transportation,etc, PM me.
I hope this insight is useful in deciding what you want to do.
Rod
everything is so centrally located that a tour guide is not necessary... don't worry about not speaking the language either. you can make you point easily enough......
Patrolman,
You have some time up your sleeve before you go so why not buy Pimsleur's Brazilian Portuguese 1? You will be able to speak rough portuguese by November, you certainly won't be fluent, but you will definitely have more fun fooling around with the girls and they will definitely appreciate the effort which equals more fun for you!
As Kenn said, you will get by with just English though.
Havrum, Info on cheaper places.
Here are a few places in Copacabana that run from about R
30 to R60 for 30 minutes. They are certainly not as clean as the higher end termas but I found them accepatable, just!. If you want more cheap places do a search for "brazilspecialist" on this board, he knows heaps of these little places, I even remember him mentioning a place that was R9.99 for 10 minutes in Centro!
Hilário de Gouveia 66, apt 1103 (Level11).
Praca Serzedelo Correia 15, room 1104,
Av North Copacabana 583, apt. 204. No need to take the elevator just walk up the stairs next to them.
Apt 202 is Copacabana terma, never been in there myself but apparently it is a bit of a dive. I think apt 203 is also in the game.
Rua Siqueira Campos, 22, enter from Hilário de Gouveia, you will see the blue entrance with a 2 on each side of the door. A bit more expensive than the rest but still not as expensive as Monte etc.
Patrolman2
nice nic
Tour Guides?!........you don't need NO stink'n tour guide!!
Especially if you've been to Thailand. That language is much more difficult to learn than Portuguese. Like Kenn said everything is centrally located. Go back and read / study previous posts here. Hook up with some guys here that are down there or will be there during your trip.
I'd also suggest going to amazon.com, and get "Portuguese in 10 min a day" book. what language skills you aquire will make your trip more enjoyable. And don't worry, the garotas all speak the universal language-$$$$$$ LOL
I'm in a happy mood, cus I arrive in Rio tomorrow. :)
Trip number 10 in 2 yrs. Will be going back again in late Oct. :D
Raj72,
Glad you had a good experience at Barbarella. I only went there once, and that was in 2000, so maybe I should give it another chance. My memory is that all the girls there are choice. However, the Barbarella experience should be good for variety. I'm especially glad you got a good price. Barbarella should be good for variety.
Bazinga,
In response to your question about having escorts come to your hotel: If you've stayed at the Meridien, then you can afford a top of the line hotel. The Meridien is my second favorite, after the Sheraton, and the Meridien is definitely not garota friendly. However, I have succeeded in bringing girls to my room there, and at the Sheraton, and the Caesar Park, although Caesar Park has since priced itself out of the market for me.
If you're going to be ordering escorts, your best bet would be to meet her in the lobby as if it is a business meeting, then have a drink at the bar or pretend to go to dinner in the hotel, then sneak her into your room. I suggest you read my post of 4/17/04 in the 'Rio de Janeiro-Hotels' section, where I wrote rather extensively on this subject. IMHO it could serve as a primer on getting girls into your room in a top notch hotel. To summarize its main points:
It's much, much easier to do in the daytime than at night, so juggle your calendar accordingly;
Do something to divert the staff's attention from you; if you take her directly from the lobby to the elevator, they'll most likely stop you. Go to the bar for a drink, or pretend to get on the elevator to go to the restaurant, then use your judgment as to when to bring her to the room. The Sheraton, which has many of its facilities on different levels, is ideal for this, and it's reasonably priced for a luxury hotel; you can probably get a room in the vicinity of $150 a night. (I even fucked one of the chambermaids there, right on the bed she had just made up, but that's another story.)
--Above all, make sure the girl is appropriately dressed. The top hotels are very image-conscious, so the last thing they want is girls entering there who look like prostitutes. This shouldn't be a problem with escorts, since they're pretty much told how to dress.
It's ideal if she could pass for a business acquaintance, or your sister-in-law.
--In short, be subtle, discreet, and don't call attention to yourself.
Good mongering!
Lorenzo
Mother daughter tag team alert:
A friend of mine, who BTW is a Centarous addict, was at Centarous on 24 July, in the afternoon, or posibly Friday, cannot remember which day, but I digress. He reports that there is an infuckingcredible 19 YO hard body that is named Paula. And guess what. She brought over to Mr., X, a pretty good looking "woman" that looked exactly like Paula and is reportedly her mother! Yes, one of the ultimate fanatsies, if your wallet can handle the 400 plus R it will cost you to check off this square. PLEASE guys, let us all know if this can be independantly confirmed.
Wow, we have identical twins in Rio, now this. Hmmm, maybe I will change my mongering city of choice from Baires and Santa Cruz Bolivia, to Rio. Hmmm, uuuummmm, well, maybe not seeing as I saw a body covered by a tarp on the way to the airport last night, and maybe 50 civil cops all with guns drawn. 2 miles west of GIG. But hey, nobody said Rio was without problems. Wow, what we do for the world's best pussy.
Latina addict, and damn proud of it.
It seems that everyone's main concern is always: "What hotel should I use that are girl-friendly?"
Here is an idea: instead of spending US$60+ for people to look down upon your mongering habits, why not spend half of that and rent an apartment. You can get a huge place with great location (proximity to L'uomo, HELP, Ipanema & Copa) and privacy to bring in and out however many girls you want.
Take 5 minutes of your time to buy a Sunday paper while in RJ, or just search the internet.
Word of advice, do not use any of the agencies which rent out apartments because they are looking for gringos like us to sucker out of our money. Find a person who is renting out their own property and, if it is a guy: you can tell em straight up you are here to monger, and if it is a lady: you are here to study the culture in Brasil.
Try Galeria Atlantica, the building where Sindicato do Chopp is in Copacabana. Ask the portero, "Tem apartamentos aqui para alugar?" Last time I got one here for R$800 for an entire month- a room as big as in any hotel. Nice bed and bathroom for the price. Plus, because it is so affordable, most of the girls around Brasil coming to work at HELP on the programa live here. Close to all the action.
Hope this helps,
2329
part 1
gentlemen
i've went a couple of weeks ago, but have not had time to write this report. it's everything it's reported to be. it was full of 3 days of sun, sand, sea, samba, and sex. i definitely have something to put on my cv.
i want to thank sincerely the audience for their very useful posts. i found the reports in this forum to be extremely accurate and helpful in planning my trip. in return, to express my gratitude, i must say that among the best fucks i ever had, happened in rio. i hope this report will add to the information already contained in this wonderful peerless forum.
this report is divided in 3 parts…
introduction.
the beach.
help discotheque.
i didn't go to any thermas, i had all my action in these 2 places and quite frankly i didn't plan on running an open check book. sometimes you have to act with frugal aplomb, with an eye on the bottomline, else this hobby could fleece and wreck you financially. off course we won't want that would we?
special mention has to go to the "saint" of ba. this guy is numero uno in reporting, i am a big fan and we are lucky to have you and your amazing adventures and research skills on this board. i know you don't like amsterdam, but if ever your come down let me know, i'll buy you a beer.
first things first, make copies of both sides of your credit cards, bankcard, passport, driver's license, etc..... if i were to do it all again, i would probably want to have an american express credit card too - just in case. i had no trouble with my visa and mc, but if i had lost those, it would have been an interesting situation... i took both traveller's cheques and cash.
finally as a general rule in dealing with people negotiate and agree on prices in advance. know exactly what you're getting and what you're paying. if someone says "don't worry" you should worry.
where to start? rio, "a cidade maravilhosa"-"the city of marvels" it can be a grand place. from a geographical perspective, it is magnificent. sugar loaf, and corcadova overlooking vast sweeping beaches, a dark blue ocean and tranquil beautiful bays. from up on top of pao de azucar, a city of vibrancy and a backdrop of jungle-covered mountains it is truly spectacular. the topography of the city makes rio one of the most recognisable and unique cities in the world.
brazil has the potential to be an economic power alongside, russia, india and china. it has numerous natural resources, a vast labour force and population to support. but the cancer called corruption permeates the society and is easily seen when one gets closer to the ground. you begin to see the rio that is less than spectacular. a crumbling infrastructure, terrible poverty, old undistinguished buildings and a feeling of torpor that permeates the atmosphere. the stories you have heard about crime are not unfair.
having said that i have never seen a country with so many stunningly beautiful garotas (girls), and i do a fair amount of travelling. brazil was colonized by portugal. in the 16th century the jesuit successfully converted brazilians to catholicism. however the colonialists had other ideas and who enslaved and interbred the natives and brought in cheap labour from africa. the women also served other needs of the male colonialists.
also over the years waves of immigrants from italy, germany, portugal and japan (mainly in sao paolo) have come to brazil. mixed in with these are the blacks brought from africa and the native indians. there has been a lot of racial genetic mixing which have combined in ways to create a very diverse population.
the result is a female specimen that is wondrous, breathtaking and pseudo utopian. the good news is many of these are available. you will see every size and shade imaginable and the quality is extraordinary. the combinations are entrancing, and i found myself constantly gawping at the beauties walking by on the beach.
while prostitution in brazil is officially tolerated, pimping is outlawed. this ensures, that 99% of, the working ladies are independents. there is no red light district as in say amsterdam.
sexually speaking, these women are peerless. i have been with a fair bit of women from around the world, but none compare to the brazilian women. it is almost as if they are breaded to be sexual animals. they just seem to love the act. no hold bars. from the moment you enter your hotel room, they are all over you. they will give you head (without a condom) for as long as you like. they also expect you to be an animal too.
there's been some back and forth on the relative merits of rio vs. bangkok. i've been to both, so i'll add my two cents. imho, there's no comparison. it's apples and oranges. prices are much better in bangkok, and there are many beautiful women there, but the women of rio make love like they were born to do nothing else. in other words, the quality of the sex is vastly superior in rio.
the beautiful thing about rio is the sheer variety will cater to all tastes. you'll be surprised who different are tastes vary ethnicity round the world. where as in bangkok, you basically have a limited type physically and you can't just change at any whim to a mulatto with nice round bubble ass for example. it may cost more, but you get more bang for your buck.
the whole thing from beginning to end is almost always a fabulous experience. if you can get it up again they will go at it again. until you have been with a brazilian women, i think suffice to say have not experienced the sexual act, as it should be. i have never been with 3 at the same time. i am afraid it might kill me.
every *****monger i've met who's been to rio de janeiro, brazil keeps coming back for more. so i decided to go for a quick 3-day break. days are spent in the sidewalk cafes sipping your favourite cocktail or on the beaches watching the women in their very scantly clad bikinis. nights are spent going to clubs or to discos and watching the women in their sexy attire cavorting their booties.
from a personality perspective, again a generalisation, but i have found most of them to be genuinely friendly very warm, affectionate, and outgoing. nobody's in a hurry, and most of the hookers are quite content to hang around with you all evening, even after they've been paid.
chicas is available 24 hours a day and reasonably priced. most of the useful information price wise already appears on this forum, so rather than giving a blow-by-blow account of prices and my negotiation tactics, i'll stick to the adventure in detail as well as trying to fill in some gaps and offer some corrections.
the pussy flows like water. i cannot describe it, but you must see it if you are to be considered a true sex fiend. i personally did 3 girls in 3 days and spent less than usd $400.00 total. the jet lag from london definitely to it's toll. you can leave your hotel at midnight, go to help disco and be back in your room an hour later with top of the shelf chicas within the realm of any standard or taste.
one thing you must be careful about with these girls- they're known to be quite defensive about their income and "boyfriend". they can be a bit nasty if you hit on, or are approached by, another girl while they think they are "with you". also, some can be subtly "pushy"
another thing in rio - try not to pay up front. don't spoil the culture and the sex - sex is much better when not paid for up front - the girl has an incentive - that's why professional sex in england is so terrible and such a rip-off - guys haven't stood their ground and demanded service before payment, and that's why we're writing here and travelling the world looking for some decent sex.
there was once, when a girl demanded payment upfront. i culled her bluff and refused and told her that she could leave. off course she stayed and off course i won't have allowed that garota escape me bedding her. i just feel a woman has more motivation if she has not been paid. the brazilian women may not need it, but why take a chance. it's not like a plan to cheat them.
another no no - never and i mean never please! never give the girl her asking price (this is different of course in the termas or massage parlours) at help or on the street - at least always try to bargain, be firm, and they will follow if you're nice to them and smile, tell them they are bonita (beautiful), etc... offer a drink, beer, whatever.
don't let your drink go unattended - have heard of stories of things being slipped in to drinks. one thing no matter what price is agreed on the woman will give it all she has.
never put valuables in your back pockets. put $$/ccards in front pocket only. wear shorts/trousers with deep pockets or buttoned pockets. when buying anything, never pull out your entire wallet showing all your credit cards and how much money you have. instead, don't carry a wallet. carry raw cash folded in your pocket just like drug dealers do and learn how to "feel" how many bills you have. then, you can only pull out just a little bit without pulling out a wad.
don't tuck in your shirt. instead, wear it outside hanging over your pockets so it makes it harder to get pick pocketed. don't wear a good watch or just take it off and leave it in your pocket. while walking at night, walk away from the buildings near the cars.
if you are worried about a bunch of guys hanging out, walk in the middle of the street or better yet, turn around and take another longer (but safer path!) while riding the buses, sit on the right side, last seat in back. this way, there is no one behind you. sometimes its good to sit on the right side way up in front too, next to the driver.
when confronted by a street hawker trying to sell you something, beware that there can be a kid ready to pickpocket you. instead, say "nao" and keep walking straight ahead. if you fail to do this and look at his products, all the other street hawkers will pick up on you as a gullible foreigner and all mob you and invite opportunity for a pickpocket. so, say a firm "nao" and walk ahead.
are you ready to rock and roll, hold tight gentlemen, let the fun begin.
whiz kid
PART 2
Gentlemen,
The beach - especially Copacabana. The stretch of the beach and its boardwalk is a real paradise. This is the best spot for daytime liaisons. You may ask how will I know which are available and which are just women on the beach. Just observe for a bit and you will know. The *****s are the ones who are topless.
The sand was soothing, and was full of volleyball and football (Soccer) games, but was not overly packed out. I guess maybe the time of the year. There are a lot of black American males and some white ones in the area. You can expect to pay from circa $50 for a daytime quickie at your hotel. Many of the women who work out of Help head to the beach in the afternoon.
The best vantage point to be is in the area near Help and the Othon Palace Hotel. I saw about 4 obvious hookers, but none to my liking, so I just enjoyed the beach, the view, and a brew or two. About 4:30, I followed the action, which began to trickle over to the outdoor cafe on Avenida Atlantica just across the street from the beach, so you can get a good view of the action without having to look like you are hawking.
I was soon joined by a couple of American gents from NewYork, ordered a caipiroska delicious drink, tropical lemon and vodka and they quickly filled me in on the modus operandi, and the reputation of each of the girls they recognised. It is quite interesting that there is a cadre of foreigners that actually come to Rio/Copa for weeks, sometimes up to a few months a year, and have become known amongst the locals.
They gave me the perspective from the "regulars" that short-timers like myself come in and drive up the price of pussy because we don't know any better, end up taking the women out to eat and treating them like queens... Remember always read the label… in this case The WSG Forum.
I later left to go back to my hotel to change and drop my beach stuff off when I passed this lovely lady light skinned. She had a J-Lo style booty with what looked like Japanese genes on the street. This girl was hot as hell and there was no way a few dollars was going to stop me from banging the dog shit out of this garota, besides she was more than worth it.
I said hello, she said something in Portuguese and gave me a smile that made my knees buckle and my dick rose to a 24-gun salute. I stepped to her. After stumbling through some Portuguese, and she through some English, she asked me if I wanted to make love to her. Hell Yeah!
By the way, five star hotels will NOT let you bring a ***** to your room. So you should not stay at one. If you have to stay at a hotel, which does not allow women, then you can get an hourly room nearby
We got to my hotel, Paula handed the desk clerk her ID, and we went up to my room. No sooner did the elevator doors close than she began to rub up against me, kissing my chest. She was about 5'4", I am 6'2" so she was about chest high to begin with. Although we had a bit of trouble understanding each other, we did manage to communicate a bit, and just by her manner and her tone, I thought she was going to be one hell of a fuck.
Even against these high odds, her temperament and attitude would prove to be her greatest assets! She's a real class act. The most unusual aspect (almost comical charm offensive) occurred at the beginning. Paula starts with a sexy strip tease and then begins singing "Girl from Ipanema" by the great Carlos Alberto Jobim (Brazil's second most famous individual besides Pele. I might be mistaken but I think the airport is named after him). She does have a nice voice. This caused me mild amusement and a slight chuckle
We soon found ourselves on the bed, with me on my back, and her exploring my body with her tongue. I was getting very aroused by the way she kissed my chest, biting my nipples, and flicking her tongue all around the inside of my thighs. No sooner did I open my eyes, Paula took my cock in her mouth. She began to lick and suck my cock (sans condom) in a way that really made me feel like we were making love.
We both got into an exchange of oral pleasures. It seemed like the more she sucked my cock, the more I wanted to eat her pussy. I would eat her pussy and lick and finger her asshole until she couldn't take it any more and she would lay me on my back and start sucking my cock and rimming me as if she were trying to let me know that she would not be outdone. At times I wasn't sure who was working for whom.
She has a red-hot modus operandi one seldom encounters in the Old World. We fucked voraciously in several positions before I came, and those loud moans were incredible. I exploded a big load on her tits and face it was a mind-blowing experience, which was heightened further as Jessica began licking the wet cum off my cock… Priceless.
We both fell asleep with her in my arms. I couldn't ask for any better she is really a wild fuck. Paula was a beautiful lady. I'd easily give her a 10 on looks except for one complaint. I did notice that most women I saw in Rio had generally unattractive feet, and while they have sexy legs, most don't shave.
This is not gruesome, but as a technicality, for my discerning delectable taste it's a mandatory 0.5 deduction, so she ends up with a 9.5. However, her looks are just the beginning - Paula is an extremely sweet and fun lady, and is incredible in bed. What a way to start a trip.
Whiz Kid
part 3
gentlemen
help discotheque - the hookers down there are called "piranhas". they don't call themselves this, but rather say they're "on the program". if you go to rio, most of the western tourists end up at the help disco before the night is done. most of the hooker action is here too. the help discotheque is ground zero, especially in the open-air tables outside.
although it opens at 11pm, most revellers scurry in just before midnight when the entrance fee shoots up. there is a large bar right in front of help. this is an excellent spot to cherry pick your princess, here the chicas hangout, chat or have a drink while waiting for the disco to open.
if you find a garota that interests you, you have nothing more to do than give her a wink, a hello and zoom; she's at your side. you might be tempted to avoid help altogether or might be tempted to vamos with girls who line up on the street looking for a ride. but wait up the best is yet to come.
when i first went in there (help) i thought i had died and gone to hedonist's heaven. gentlemen contain your enthusiasm, it's absolute fantasyland. the place is jam-packed, wall-to-wall. i get hard just thinking about it. picture a combination of a high school prom and soul train where with a few exceptions most of the chicas are selling pussy. the toughest part is being paralysed by indecision. so many choices, so few nights, only one tool. yeah i know decisions, decisions, decisions...
opinion is divided on quality, some argue that most of the stunningly beautiful have moved to europe, either with a man who invited them, or as dancers or prostitutes. and if you see one, she might just be visiting and ready to go back to europe. they certainly aren't in london. anyway let's not even start on that repressed place.
however to my mind there are at least 300 of the most beautiful girls in the world there and fewer men, basically it was actually a buyers market. this is a large disco with an upstairs and downstairs and i'd imagine many nights would be crammed full of gorgeous women of all shapes, sizes and colours. a large mezzanine runs around the top so there's plenty of space to sit, gawp, cherry pick and tor**** your prey.
it can be quite a spectacle as many of these women are dressed in a very provocative manner and watching them dance and gyrate their booty (the other thing that brazilian women do without peer is dance) is an erotic experience. sometimes you'd wish men were equipped with more than one tool.
often the girls will get up on these platforms and dance solo - showing lots of leg. however most of these garotas would rather dance with a guy with a bit of spending money, preferably one who is willing to part with some of that dough.
if you want to get a taste of help, rent one of the buttman carnival party videos. it is a video of women dancing. most of the scenes take place at help. during the non-carnival times though you will not see the nudity that you do in these videos. that is apparently only allowed during carnival, but the girls that you see are the girls of help.
the price for a superstar is $100.00 for all night. if you only go one place to buy pussy in rio, go to help discotheque. speaking of prices, there are two kinds of deals: an hour or all night. i had no interest in an hour, so i always indicated that i wanted them to spend the night. some only do all-nighters.
you'll pay a bit more for the really hot ones, especially earlier in the evening. as it gets on towards 3:30 or 4:00, prices start dropping. generally, my goal was to split by 2:00 or 2:30 so i'd have the energy left for a couple rounds in bed.
generally, it will be up to you to approach the women. that seems to be most true with the best of the group. i found them to be very approachable and friendly. it will help a great deal if you know portuguese or some spanish. very few speak much english; a few speak a little italian or german. if you're language-challenged, don't despair: they know why you're there and you can communicate the basics like want a drink, dance, etc... and of course they all know enough to negotiate a price.
just look decent, have a smile on your face and relax. but don't just rush in, grab someone, and split. these chicas love to dance, so show them a good time and they'll show their appreciation later. buy her a drink or two and treat her nice. you'll be repaid ten-fold.
another thing that amazed me about the brazilian women was how warm and affectionate they are. i'm used to hookers being somewhat distant (not kissing or really cuddling, rushing things, etc.), but these women were really different. they truly seemed to enjoy being with you, completely. i didn't have a single bad experience. you really have to tell yourself that she's not really falling in love with you, because they certainly act more like a lover than any hooker i've ever seen.
kissing on the lips is automatic, as is oral sex without a condom. and it's clear they want to get off as well as get you off. i had a couple instruct me on exactly what to do to get them to cum over and over. condoms are always used for vaginal sex, and if she doesn't suggest you use one, don't be an idiot.....use one! protect her and yourself.
there was this brunette, she spoke perfect english, that began gyrating her booty on my dick and told me she had no panties then wanted me to take her home but there was something about fake blue contacts that made me feel queasy, so i declined. she keeps telling me how handsome i am and how she has just fallen in love with me… yeah right.
i wasn't going to go against my better judgement, plus she was a bit rough - too physical if you know what i mean - i like my women gentle and more passive than she was. i just avoided eye contact, but this didn't stop her resolve.
later she was sitting with some guys, came over to my table and started saying something about the guys sitting with her giving her a hard time and that you "wouldn't get any shit from me", et al. i could hear the tension in her voice and told her to back off, when she let loose with a tirade of vociferous expletives about me only liking blondes, and she saw me looking at the blondes in help, avoiding eye contact with her, and that i was crazy, etc... another not-so-pleasant scene.
i also saw 3 tempestuous cat fights while i was there, one with glasses being thrown at each other at, very entertaining but unnerving as well. i met a crazy, fun dutch guy there too and he was with this girl who apparently is reputed for her blowjobs prowess, and seemed to want him all to herself.
then another girl in help told him that her friend would like to talk with him, and he told his partner that he would be back in a "couple" of minutes. well, after he hadn't returned in 5 minutes (i was there) she had a hissy-fit. she was very possessive.
another time, a guy was smoking a cigarette and accidentally brushed up against a girl in help. even though he apologised, she seemed riled to the very extreme and i actually thought she perilously close to hitting him. hmmm… if you can't handle an accidental cigarette in a bar, then you simply better not go to a bar as i see it.
i don't like being hit up for drinks by girls i'm not even with - be prepared for that at help too - a girl will smile ear to ear, say a few words, get you to say a few words, still smiling, and hit you up for a drink or two, and then she'll add her girlfriend or "friends" to the list.... not so much of a big deal, just remember - they are *****s, and they do know how to take no for an answer. i treat the ones nice who treat me nice.
some of the girls there like to pinch your ass as you pass by.... i gently patted one girl's ass as she passed by oopps - mistake. she gave me a full-powered punch to the shoulder - no damage of course, but i wish i could have drilled that ass as cornucupance.
so, there are just a few things to let you know what kinds of situations you can get into with these girls without even trying or knowing. they can be like a cross between a girlfriend and hooker - its a very interesting experience. it can be good - they are very affectionate - french kissing passionately and warmly, blow without condom, no teeth felt on any i had damm! but you get the "pressure" from the "girlfriend" side of it too in some cases.
spending the night with these chicas was a true pleasure. my first night was spent with tatiana, i was prowling and pseudo cherry picking my princess for the night when this hot as hell chica i was lusting after was approaching me. i wink at her and zoom, she is over next to me. she asked me in convoluted broken english if i would dance with her.
within a second of assessing her, by observing the outline of her hips, which i thought were deadly and an ass that just won't quit… to use a worn cliché. she also had a very pretty face to boot, light olive brown skin with soft eyes. i wasn't going to turn a lady down would i?.
we danced for a while, but i was a bit frustrated she couldn't speak english and then she blurted out perfect dutch. on hearing this i worked out the probability of a chica in rio not speaking any other language aside spanish, english, french but dutch. then it hit home, she must have been an amsterdam pro. she denied she hadn't been to amsterdam… yeah right, but i didn't care, i was not going to allow a difference of opinion to stand in my way of banging this chica.
she stuck her tongue into my ear and then started to french kissing me passionately. obviously my mr. happy started to harden, she felt it, slipped a hand inside my pants and did some groping. it is amazing how persuasive this can often be. my head was spinning and i could no longer resist.
so i stopped her, but a minute or so later she grabbed my hand and put it below her miniskirt: she had no panties, and damm was she wet. she even inserted two of my fingers into her pussy and started moaning… that was worth the price of admission.
these chicas know how to drive a man wild. she had succeeded in driving me wild and all i wanted to do was drill this chica. you know the sort of horny feeling where your in total heat, bordering on feeling dizzy and you nearly loose your marbles and can't think of nothing else but pounding her furiously. i said vamos and we left help instantly.
we went through a similar ritual, showered, and made love. i knew this lady would give incredible oral and i was not disappointed. i lodged my cock between her tits while she continued to give me head. she gave a mind-blowing bj sans condom and i ended up exploding in her tits and face. she was not as erotic as paula oral wise, but position wise she was numero uno.
we start with doggy style and she wants me to slap her ass while fucking her and after two rounds with different positions and awesome moves that i have never seen before these chicas know how to move men gaaadd daaammm!!!. she could contort her body in ways that i'd never thought possible, and taught me a few new positions. she was like a cat… better yet a tigress. i know now why brazilians are the best in football (soccer). if you know your football very well think a cross between ronaldinho, denilson & romario these garotas are in a different stratosphere.
in addition to her lovemaking skills and swimsuit model body, she has a great attitude and provides excellent service. she quickly got me hard again and we fucked passionately in several positions before the session ended. i needed all my willpower not to cum again because i wanted to save something for the other chicas. she cuddled up with me and we slept for a few hours.
we both woke up together and she slipped under the covers and started licking my balls, i was intent on making her cum and she let me, and i finally came while fucking her from behind. i proceeded to the shower, things got really hot in the shower and i could have had her right there but choose to limit it to intense foreplay. by her just sucking me in the shower.
finally at noon we went to her apartment where she changed into her bikini (nothing more than a few pieces of string) and we headed to the beach. once there, she took off her top and spend much of the time sucking on my earlobes and giving me a permanent hard on... priceless
later that day, after walking back from the other end of the beach, i returned to my hotel about 4:20 to find paula leaving me a message at the front desk. i had forgotten she told me she was going to see me that day. what a pleasant surprise.
that afternoon, we made love even more passionately than the day before - something i didn't think was possible. she gave me the best blowjob of my life, and i sucked her pussy like a ripe piece of fruit. after fucking for a while in several positions, she began to get dry, and decided to suck me off until i came in her mouth sans condom. she seemed to appreciate my showing her how to gently work the vein at the base of my penis with her finger as she was sucking my cock.
i desperately wished i could speak portuguese because at this point, i really wanted to spend more time with paula. nevertheless, we said some sorrowful goodbyes (i was leaving the next day). she gave me her address and phone number - just thinking about her now, i'm considering getting a translation dictionary and sending her a letter.
i was completely exhausted and jet lagged from my flight from london after making love to her that i fell asleep. i received a call about 7:00am, which caught me completely by surprise since no one i knew had this number. it was tatiana. she called me because she didn't see me at copacabana beach. i told her i had fallen asleep and she said maybe she would see me at the help.
i realised how easy it was for people to get very attached. in talking to the regulars, it's pretty common that a guy will hook up with one or two girls and stick to them like boyfriend-girlfriend. i had hoped to fuck another one of the girls in help that night, but i did want to say good-bye to tatatiana.
i went to help that night about 4:30am after waking up - still groggy. shortly after i got there, twice 2 very aggressive ladies, neither of whom i wanted to take home, approached me. if you are a cheapskate, try help or help exit at 4:30 am, however the better ones usually are not left until this hour
i am sure there are many other places in rio, but i make due with these to optimise funds and maximise choice. i know there are saunas all over, but i prefer doing my thing in my hotel room.
i've found nothing that compares with the sexual prowess and energy of the brazilian women. these ladies were more than just beautiful hookers, they were friendly charming, delightful, fun and passionate. i doubt that i will ever have this kind of experience with anyone in this profession, and probably just set myself up for disappointment for the rest of my life.
i found language to be the biggest barrier. i would recommend you brush up on your portuguese a little before making your run. makes it much easier to communicate and much more enjoyable after you have found your brazilian princess. these women love to have fun, and you'll have more fun if you can communicate. being able to talk with the women, joke with them. compliment them, etc., improves the quality of the sex...really!
not trying to stir racial connotations but my impression of the rio society is rio is populated by portuguese, italians, and blacks. many people are a mixture and get along fine as if in a perfect colour-blind society. this is true to a certain extent.
but if you go take a bus trip to barra shopping, you will pass right thru the foot of a favela which is all black. then when you get to barra shopping, you will see that the shoppers are 95% middle class whites. i never seen a black work in a jewellery store, anywhere in rio.
although the liberal world media portrays brazil as a colour-blind perfect society where everyone is a mixture, you will see that the bums on the street, service personnel, prostitutes at help, street hawkers are all overwhelming black while the bankers, high class clothing stores, civilian shoppers are overwhelmingly white.
however rio to put it mildly "is simply the best".
whiz kid
I have been in Rio for a month now and I think it is a pretty safe city. As long as a person is aware of his surroundings I think there is no problem. For those who think that Rio is unsafe because they left there belongings in there car and went to a club, and on there return they found out that there belongings are missing. I would suggest try doing that in any country the world and chances are your belongings will be gone when you come back.
In Rio one can find Garotas de Programas (working girls) any time of the day. For those of us who are very price conscience they can pick up a girl from Avenida Atlantica on Copa Cabana beach from about mid morning until about 4:00 am. These girls charge anywhere between US$10 to US $20. Although, most of the girls will ask you for R$50 which is about US$17 at todays rate of 1US$=R$3.03 or so. One need to be a little carefull here and make sure that the girl you are picking up is really a girl and not a guy. There are several lady boys on the street but if you take a good look at them you will have no problem.
You can take these girls to your hotel room, your apartment, or a love motel (the closest one that i know of is Hotel Diplomata which charges R$30 for one hour and R$50 for two hours). Most taxi drivers know this motel.
As per my personal experience I have had a few girls from Avenida Atlantica and have several experiences with the escort services mainly Karla Models and Cia plus. I have not gone to the termas yet but plan on going there soon.
Since my plans are to stay here for another two months, there is no rush for me.
IMHO the escort services are pretty good. I strongly recommend Karla Models, especially Andreia Veiga from Karla Models. I know web address has been posted here several times but once again it is ww.karlamodels.com.br.
Another love motel in Copa Cabana is Hotel Vanity. They charge R$40 for 6 hours. The rooms are pretty good. They are on N.S. Copa Cabana Ave. street number is 1079.
I am sure I will have several other posts while in Rio but this is it for now.
Whiz Kid,
I have to compliment you with your reports, you gave the right details about the cidade meravilhosa. I liked your description about Help, especially about the girls.
When were you in Rio? I just came back 2 months ago and started already planning my next trip to Rio in november.
Lately I met some Help girls in Oceano (Lugano), they tend to give you more GFE experience in Brasilthan in Europe (probably because of the easier money spend by the hungrier men especially the Italians (no offence)).
Good report on the copacabana life.
Cheers Rio Lover
Whiz Kid, great report, I remember most of it from the World Sex Archives from 1997, it was good then and it was good now, thanks for bringing it back up again, it brings back memories.
Whiz Kid,
First of all, GREAT reporting. Thanks for the kudos on my reports. I really try to help guys on the places I go to. I LOVED Amsterdam as a city and I did have one good hobby experience there but the other was just the worst experience I've had in all the countries I've been to. Still, the city is beautiful. If you live there, you're really lucky. Just a really clean, beautiful and laid back city full of gorgeous hotties.
You're absolutely correct. There is simply no better place in the world to hobby than Rio, IMHO. Also I truly believe NO girls are better in bed than Brasileras. These girls are amazing! All those experiences you had were like my first trip to Rio. People can put down Help Disco and say not to go there..yadda yadda yadda. The funny thing is some of the sweetest girls that I know in Rio I've met there. My best sessions were with girls I met there. Even freebies that I received were from girls I met there. If you treat the girl nice you'll have great experiences there.
Whiz Kid - If you ever come back down to South America (which I assume you will) give me a hollar and maybe stop by Buenos Aires. I'm moving there in 2 weeks for the foreseeable future. I have a travel agency there so PM me if you need help booking a room.
Nice report Whiz Kid. I love guys that include the filthy details (pervert that I am)
A few minor comments,
I had a gf of mine explain the difference between a "puta" and a "piranha." Her explaination was that a "puta" just does the deed for cash, whereas a "piranha" is a loose woman who will sleep with any guy who hooks her up with what she wants -- sometimes even for the price of a couple of drinks. There are plenty of both all over Brazil, but the ones at Help are definitely "putas."
Your ode to the sexual prowess of "Brazilian girls" is enthusiastic, but not entirely accurate. I've probably slept with as many non-pro's as I have prostitutes, and among the non-pro's I've found quite a few that are mediocre at best in the sack. In fact most of the non-pro's I've slept with don't really give head that well. On the average the professionals in Rio have much better sexual technique than the typical small-town girl, and are much more likely to be skilled at oral, anal, wild positions, etc. Spending all your time in the Copa pay-4-play scene and coming to the conclusion that all "Brazilian Girls" are sexual animals is like going into Scores strip club in New York and concluding that all "American Girls" are gorgeous blondes with huge fake tits.
And, yeah, most Brasileiras are kinda hairy and don't use razors much, but after a while I got to where I kinda liked it. Especially those fine little blond hairs all over their well-tanned, shapely bundas . . . ai, que gostosa!
Whiz Kid,
Thanks for your detailed reports. This should be an excellent primer on where to go to get laid for someone coming to Rio for the first time. I myself prefer the termas girls to Help!, but to each his own.
I would take issue with only one thing you said, which is that you can't bring girls to your room in a 5-star hotel. Well, of course you're not allowed to, but the challenge is to find a way to do it anyway. This has become a matter of personal pride with me, to figure out ways to outwit the hotel management.
Of course, if someone can't afford to stay in a 5-star, I understand that. But if you can, you're foolish not to, because in comparison to what similar hotels cost in Europe or North America, 5-stars in Rio are a bargain. The cost is between 1/2 to 1/3 to what you might pay in London, Paris, New York, or LA. If you're going to be fucking women fully in a class with Sophia Loren in her prime, why not have a hotel room to match? I've gotten GDPs into my room at Caesar Park, Meridien, and Sheraton. For my money, the Sheraton is the best hotel in Rio, in spite of the inflated reputation of some others, and it is reasonably priced--$160 a night on my last stay.
For hints on how to get your choice garota into your room, read my shorter report below in this section dated 7/22/04, or my longer one in the "Rio de Janeiro-Hotels" section dated 4/17/04. The truth is, gentlemen, that I've never seen a hotel manager I couldn't outsmart. BTW, I'd like to hear, either in posts or PM, from others who have tried similar methods to get garotas into 5-stars. Maybe there are other methods I haven't thought of.
Lorenzo
john:
i'm currently in Rio. Did you locate the telephone information you posted about earlier in the living in brazil section?
Nice report Mr Kidd, You picked up the spirit of the pace quite well in a short time.
One minor correction, the mans name is Antonio Carlos Jobim (or Tom Jobin), and yes the International airport is named him, the co writer of Garota De Ipanema (The Girl from Ipanema)
I had reported a few days ago about where I bought my cell phone from in Rio de Janeiro. Just to recap, I bought a used cell phone for R$200 that included R$25 usage Tim Card (Tim is a cell phone provider here in Brazil). So the net cost of my phone that I purchased for use in Brazil was R$175.
Moreover, I had asked the company that I bought my cell phone from what if I wanted to sell this phone back to them on my return from Brazil. The lady at the store told me that she would purchase it back from me for R$80 to R$100 providing there is no damage to the phone. So my net cost for the phone will probably end up being close to R$100 for the next three months that I plan on staying in Brazil.
I recommend this company as to there was no false claims made and the phone was available on the spot and ready to use right away. I even went back to them for some more help regarding changing my voicemail because it was giving a portuguese message and they helped me all the way. They even have a friend who works in a near by store who speak some English as my portuguese is very minimal.
Following is information regarding the company:
Company Name: Cell Brasil
Address: Nossa Senhora de Copacabana, 581
Unit 227 (2nd Floor)
Copacabana.
I was staying at the time on Rua Paula Freitas and Nossa Senhora Copacabana. So if someone needs a cross street that is a pretty close one. You will probably walk about 2 to 3 blocks from this cross street.
Phone: 5521-2548-1480
Sale Rep Name: Nicole.
As I am reading the reciept I just saw that it says 90 days guaranty. So eventhough I bought a used cell phone it came with 90 day guaranty which is pretty good IMHO.
When in Rio I purchased a brand new Nokia (3300) phone for R$200 outright from the local claro (it was either claro or vivo) shop on avanida copacabana nth, 2 blocks south of Xavier, in copacabana. They set me up with a prepaid phone card and got it working for me. There were 3 or 4 sales people that all spoke english quite well and were very helpful. From memory they also had another brand of phone for R$180. Having said this, if you have a GSM phone that is not locked it will work fine with a Brazilian prepaid chip in it, just get a girl to follow the voice prompts to connect it and refill as required.
Whiz Kid,
That was a very refreshing report on Help. It seems that most of the feedback that I read about Help has to do with inflated prices and hard-core chicas. I'd say that the majority of the complaints are pretty valid, but make no mistake; you can still go to Help and have a blast.
On my first trip I could not squeeze in enough nights at Help, but once I discovered how much fun the termas in Rio are, my visits to Help slowly tapered off.
You really should consider going to some termas if you decide to return to Rio (Bubba Boy listed some of the best ones to go to). Honestly, the termas are what have kept me going back to Rio again and again. As far as I know, there are no other countries in South America that have them (if I am wrong about this, someone PLEASE correct me!).
Nice report,
Y & R
Listening to Tom Jobim´s songs is another pleasure of Rio.
He was an erudite maestro who composed popular songs; he partnered with, among others, Stan Getz and Frank Sinatra.
Some of his songs were translated into English, but even in Portuguese you will feel what good music is, when listening to Tom.
Does anyone know about a place (or a neighborhood) called Barra Mansa? If so, please give me some info about it. What is it like, etc.?
Spent a week in Rio recently and stayed at the Execlsior in Copacabana. Ciaplus and other services do not go there because of "no permission".
I thought about finding one of the recommended motels that rent by the hour. However, I found out that Monte Carlo was 3 blocks away. I gave it a try and was very please with the quality of service and found the overall value very good. Several 8 - 9's to pick from with every shade of the rainbow available. All were focused on pleasing the customer. I certainly left with a smile!
Did not get a chance to sample Ciaplus this trip, but highly recommend Monte Carlo if you are in the area. Sorry, but no pics from Monte Carlo, but there were some great photo opportunities for sure.
Firstly, apologies for this very late response, being a tad ubiquitous and bogged down with work at the time of the year when many of my colleges are on holiday. We'll try and answer everyone on here and PM as well this weekend.
Secondly Obrigado mucho amigos for the kind words but credit has the go to all our predecessors for their sage and invaluable insights.
To the saint,
Thanks very much for your very kind offer, I really do appreciate it. I'll most definitely bear it in mind. But it would have to be at least next year. I am looking forward to hearing more about your various lines, like the one about asking for Portuguese lessons for the Brazilian Garota's. I think it's a much classier way for asking the chica give you a quote. I can't get enough of those your suave lines so if you have anymore PM me amigos. + Plus I'd like to hear more about your freebie tactics.
With regard to Amsterdam it's a shame you had a bad experience, though I have never had a bad experience. You’re also very right in the sense of there being much to absorb in iconoclastic of neighbourhoods.
Amsterdam is a compact, instantly likeable city. It’s appealing to look at and pleasing to walk around, it's web of canals radiating out from a historical core to loop right round the centre. It's an intriguing mix of the parochial and an international ethnic and social homogeneity. *****s, School kids, Junkies, Cops et al all interact with a strange brand of social cosiness. It is a city for art lovers, shoppers and pleasure seekers of every type from high art and low culture in a city of contradictions. Where the tourists are mere voyeurs.
It also has a welcoming convivial attitude towards visitors and a uniquely youthful orientation, shaped by the liberal counterculture. As for culinary oeuvre some of the best Indonesian, Surinamese, Moroccan and Turkish outside their respective countries can be found here. PM me for economical options. It's all good fun and pretty innocuous, so long as you remember that window girls do not like their pictures taken and that drug dealers react to eye contact like dogs to bones.
I like my hobby to include seeing the sights and sounds and hobbying experience to be on the periphery or the icing on the cake. So more R and R (rest and relaxation), with a bit of S and T (slap and tickle).
To Rio Lover
For us here in England it's expensive coming to South America and tiring for a short spell. For example The flight to Rio via Sao Paulo is 14 hours, plus BA have a policy that you must spend Saturday night there effectively meaning you either spend 2 nights which obviously doesn't make sence for 5 nights. So I spent the other 2 in New York before rushing back to catch my flight. Tickets are start at $1,000 to $4,000 USD, then there's accommodation, hobbying before other expenses. Whereas Amsterdam costs me less than less than $400 dollars for all expenses including a 5 star hotel but excluding pay for play.
But definitely Buenos Aires, Santiago and Lima are on my to do list. The information on this forum is daunting so I have never had time to decipher which ones to pick out. But since it's "the saint" and I trust his judgement I guess I am nudging to Buenos Aires first. If you could PM or point me to the modus operandi there, or one of your invaluable reports to get to know what to expect, I'd really much appreciate it. You description of Amsterdam was staggering, It's almost as though you had a web cam on your, having the geography of the city in my head, I could every street you described including the girls that dressed as nurses, the winking ones, the door knocking ones and I even stayed in the same hotel.
With regard to help's notoriety, I always say "each to their own" but you can count me in that camp of these who think you can most definitely have a blast there. I have never seen anything like that before. I thin some people like to follow "popular vote" and only follow where the wind blows. But for me I don't really care and I'll say it again if there is one place to but pussy in Rio, I'd recommend help anytime.
To FartKnocker,
Thanks for the description of Puta and Piranha, that's why I love this board so much. Every vestige of detail counts. I never knew this and would definitely bear it in mind. As for the ladies being best in the sack, true I had a couple in Rio, but have had over two dozen in the last 11 years outside Brazil. Rio was only confirmation of my visceral hypothesis.
I think you and I need to learn a thing or 2 from the Saint with regard to getting the best of these chicas, I ain't no cracker pundit and seduction issues but one of the best ways of getting the best out of these women it seems is to make them orgasm first. First you please the garota, then she pleases you. The more orgasms she has the more she will make your fuck better. So the foreplay is a significantly important elixir.
One of the best fucks I had was this Brazilian garota at my work Christmas party. The background to the story was she was lonely, a bit on the quiet side and just got off a long-term relationship. She had no one to talk to but me and was on the rebound big time. I had to be patient it took 3months, but was worth the wait.
Viviana was tall, smooth olive skin, soft eyes had this swash-buckling walk that instantly captivates your sixth sence. Approaching advent and the yuletide she kept turning up at the office in shorter and shorter skirts, showing more and more cleavage. One day she kept batting her eyelids at me and saying things like, "I can be so good to you if you let me".
At that time It was an albatross because though I was finished a tumultuous relationship, I was hoping for a reconciliation because I hadn't found anything better and it wasn't exactly the best fillip in my efforts. So this cul-de-sac was the wrong timing. But this didn't stop her resolve working late that evening she came juxtaposed before me would stroke my hair, loosen my tie and uncross her legs in front of him giving me an instant hard on.
Finally off course I cracked. She came in closer wearing a low cut white T-shirt and a tight mini skirt and my eyes nearly popped out. We went into my boss’s office and she and stripped off. Viviane gave him oral sex and sent him into orbit. It was like red-hot needles shooting through my body. I then made love to her standing up against my boss’s desk and then over the desk. When we were doing it over the desk, she kept moaning, "Oh, I love it like this, I just love it". This just proved to be a taster, the best was yet to come.
At our office Christmas party, I had a spare key to one of the rooms usually reserved for my boss, but since he was away on business he left it to me for safe keeping. Viviane knew the key was with me and asked if we could go upstairs. I was up those stairs like a rat up a drain-pipe. Viviane was behind me. Walking in a calm and sultry way, toying with her hair. You all knew what was going to happen.
Once we were in the room, It was so frantic, the sex was over in a 15 minutes. "She took off the top from her gown and kicked off her shoes. She had white sexy, lacy underwear on and took off her knickers. We made out doggy and missionary and I couldn't contain myself and it was over in 15 minutes. Viviane was a little miffed and voiced some Portuguese vociferous expletives which almost gave me an instant hardon except that we had to leave.
The point her is the way she moved her bunda left, right, left, left, right et al up down down down up, the rhythmic manoeuvring was akin to all Brazilian girls I have had the distinguished pleasure to bed and I must say their technique is superior IMHO. It's a shame you gentlemen in the States don't follow soccer (Football). It's funny because the Brazilians are known to be technically superior to the rest of the world over the last century, the same way the NBA players are superior to the rest of the world in Basketball.
There's something in the air in Rio, maybe culture, lifestyle, diet et al, but there's something that makes these girls a treat, but like I said earlier you perfectly entitled to your own opinion and I respect you for that.
To Lorenzo
Thanks very much for that info, if I ever have to come to Rio to work, we usually have a deal with the Marriott. What difficulty would I have with your tactics in over coming it there. I doubt if I would come down anytime soon, but you never know? As I finish this report I shall critically analyse your suggestion in detail.
To Bubba Boy & Unforgiven,
Thanks for the correction with regards to Garota de Ipanema. Yeah it's done several times by Stan Getz whose version I like the most featuring Jobim's daughter Bebel Gilberto and my favourite Kenny G. Album... Songs in the key of G, when he covers timeless classics like Girl from Ipanema and Desafinado + others like... The look of Love, What a wonderful world, Summertime, In a sentimental mood, stranger on the shore, Body & Soul, Round Midnight, Over the rainbow et al. Yeah he was an erudite maestro.
To Young and restless
Thanks for pointing me to Bubba boy's recommendations, I hope to give them due consideration after writhing this report and thanks Bubba boy in advance for your research.
Obrigado Gents,
Whiz Kid
carlos783,
barrah is a little beach south of rio as your coming down from copa, through impanema, through leblon, then you hit barrah. real upscale area, not as busy as the other beaches but very nice none the less. lots of nice shops, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118][CodeWord118][/url], and make sure you goto barrah shoppe, lots of fine ladys walking around there. go shopping and watch the store clerks hit on you all day, maybe get some non working girls. great place to relax enjoy yourself and call escorts.
Unforgiven,
A good CD to listen to is the soundtrack for Bossa Nova, the movie set in Rio about a US English teacher. It has many Jobim tracks and some others. Do you have it?
This CD and a bottle of wine and I feel like I am in Rio. I will be there in reality next month hanging at Lu'omo, Monte Carlo, and Meia Pataca (at night).
TJ
Speaking of "love motels"... a few guys have emailed me lately asking me which love motel I went to on my trips to Rio and which ones I prefer. VIP's is a great one. They rent them out 8 hours at a time. Unfortunately, they don't give you a discount if you stay a full day. Last year my friends and I stayed there several days at a time. They didn't give us a discount. You just have to pay 3 X the 8 hour rate.
The rooms are great, the beds are comfortable and there is 24 hour room service for drinks, food, ice cream. The downside is there are no safes there but there aren't in most of the other apartments in Rio. It's a way from the action so the taxi fares can add up but it's a pretty unique experience staying there. Girls couldn't believe that we were staying there days at a time. It always cracked them up. It's not exactly cheap but it's worth trying out at least once. Many Brazillian pornos are filmed in the Millenium Suite.
Good luck.
[url]http://www.vipsmotel.com.br[/url]
Whiz Kid,
You probably wouldn't need to use my 'tactics' at Marriott, since I've read several posts stating that they are girl friendly. But my hunch is even they would draw the line if she is really cheap looking.
Lorenzo
Bravo Lorenzo,
Thanks a lot, I'll definitely bear that in mind and your tactics are spot on.
Whiz Kid
MSJ44,
Hi Gentlemen. I replied all PM's early Satuday. However just to let MSJ44 that your mail box is full, so it's not allowing me send you a response.
When you clear you box let me know and I'll send you your reply ASAP.
Whiz Kid
Thanks for the info, Vitor97.
On the issue of overpaying:
The problem about over paying the girls is not so much that it drives up prices (only in Help and other Gringo joints), overpaying just makes the girls think you are an idiot and have no class. I´ve been going to Rio for a long time and I know this from talking to the girls. If you want the girls to think you have class treat them with respect and by having fun and joking etc. Paying R$300 just makes you look like a silly American. It can also be a risky thing to do as most people who know Rio bargain and don´t pay over $150/200, so you look like a novice! If you read the accounts of fellow mongers with bad experences you may notice that in most cases (certainly not all) the guy agreed to pay to much up front.
If you want to pay more simply bargain and then if everything was good add a tip!
When to Luomo´s tonight and it was as good as ever :-)
I´ll be here for a few weeks so if any of you mongers want to meet up for a trip to help or a therma PM me.
Langer
I concour with Langer. We have to keep an eye on the bottom line. I know most people in England and America especialy might think paying too frugal might ruin the experience with the garotas.
Not so in Rio. The culture is such that once she agrees a price she will more often than not give her all, because she will be paid after service so if you get a feeling of Bohemain Rhapsody and feel like tipping then so be it.
But most importantly, you agreed and stuck to the bottom line.
I think we need something like this for the Amsterdam newbies.
Bravo Langer
Whiz Kid
i've never figured out why anyone would even care if a third-world 'ho thinks you "have class" or not. i understand perfectly well that many men have been emasculated by decades of domination by bitchy american/european females. i realize that fear of rejection is at the heart of a lot of this silly overpaying nonsense. however, i strongly believe that these guys should try to use the rio experience as a way to work through their phobias rather than giving in to them.
in brazil, if you have money you have power. you don't need to bow and scrape and lick boot to women like you did back home. you need to get the fear of rejection out of your own head and put it into these stuck up putas.
try this one night: go into your favorite pick-up place and refuse to pay any girl more than r$150. walk away from as many girls as you need to. just before midnight (or whenever your favorite escort agency closes) if you still don't have a date, dial up an agency and order a girl to meet you back at your apartment. that same r$150 will get you 2 hours in her mouth, pussy, ass and anywhere else you want to put it. no negotiation. no rejection. no problems.
repeat this course of treatment as many nights as you need to in order to overcome the insane desire to overpay hookers to boost your own self-esteem.
Some info for you guys wanting to get Sim cards for your cell phones.
Some of the shop in Copa are charging R$55 for sim cards, the same cards are available from Rio Sul Shopping center for R$25 TIM and R$31 Oi with R$5 free credit.
Just another Rio ripoff like the taxi outside HELP, etc.
Off to try Monte Carlo tonight report later
Langer
Fingerprinting.
Fingerprinting,
Just wondering if Fingerprining/photographing was the common theme on the way into RJ via GIG these days?
Thanks!
S
True love in Mongerville shown in photo below:
Chuponalgas,
If that's you in the picture, I can see why you call yourself chuponalgas, LOL.
Hot To Cool
Great post Fartknocker!
Good work Whiz Kid. Great reports. You are truly the Ernest Hemingway of WSG.
Also great photo from you Chuponalgas. Was it taken at a water park? Spoke to some chick last year at 4x4 about a water park where I was going to be taking her. Never happened but would like to know where it is for my next trip.
Thanks
RE: The photo: True love I don't know; but true Mongerville indeed.
Where in rio is that? Inquiring minds want to know.
I just returned from a 2 night stay in Sao Paulo followed by a 5night stay in Rio.
This report is mainly about the stay in Rio but for all readers while in Sao Paulo we performed a comparison study on 3 frequently discussed items. Therefore with Jackson’s approval I will start with the first day in Sao Paulo but quickly get back to Rio.
The three items are; Viagra, Levitra and Cialis. The study group, 5 Americans from California, “The Rat Pack” Ages; 27,32,40,41 and 55.
When we travel together we tend to stay at the 5 star hotels and although we try to adhere to the “going rate” we do not spend a lot of time negotiating. We are on vacation. trying to have the most fun in a short period of time. We work hard at our jobs and treat ourselves to being that Kid in the Candy Store. Our itinerary would be best described as stuffing 10lbs. of potatoes in a 5lb. bag.
The first day we hit Francebell, as reported clinical appearance of a health/medical
clinic. All of us get a girl and do our deed. See Sao Paulo post.
We meet at 6:00 PM and all try a 20mg tab of Cialis. First report is at 6:15 where two are experiencing increased blood flow to PIC, “person in charge”.
We have drinks and decide to go for a walk to purchase more quantities of all the items to be sampled. We went to the first block and found that three corners had pharmacies. The largest (chain) had a sign in the window “Promocao”.
A sale on Cialis -30%, Levitra -20%, Viagra -10%. The Cialis was 89 reais for four 20mg. tablets. Normally 127.00 reais. The Levitra was134.00 reais for four 20 mg. tablets. Normally 174.00 reais and Viagra was 88.00 reais for four 50mg. tablets.
As we are walking back to the hotel (7:45 PM) all five guys are walking a little funny.
We all had a 25%-50% erection. And every time someone’s mind drifted into a sexual thought it produced a full erection. Boy we are liking this Cialis? In addition, we are all keeping in mind that Cialis works for 36 hours.
The Rat Pack returned to the hotel and showered and met to go out at 9:00PM. We decide to head to Café Photo (see Sao Paulo post). Where we all pull out a girl and went back to the hotel. The next mornings report was everyone had wild nights some with three and four complete sessions.
At noon, 18 hours later we all were still feeling the 25% constant erection and the ability to go to 100% within seconds. This condition started to dissipate around the 24 hour mark and all five back to normal at 30 hours.
We all stayed off of any of the three samples that night and all reported normal conditions and performance with the girls we met at Café Photo.
We now take a 7:00 AM flight from SP to Rio. Again we stayed a little distance away from the two main beaches at a 5 star hotel.
After getting settled in our rooms we meet for an early lunch. We all decide to try Levitra today. So at noon we take a 20mg tablet.
We all have escorts scheduled to come to our hotel @ 1:30. They were either from VIP RJ or friends of a girl one of us met from VIP RJ. They showed up on time and we all retired to our respective rooms.
We agreed to meet later at the pool and share some wine and report our experiences.
At 6:00 PM we meet and the report was; all five had great sex and performance. Four were able to have multiple pops and the other only one but said it took over an hour of continual sex to finish. Most important was that all five went for it again and had and maintained full erections but the wells were dry.
The other issues were that neither Cialis nor Levitra had any physical side effects.
A quick note regarding VIP RJ escorts. The have a book that for 50 reais Karina will bring it over for your review. It has actual pictures of the girls and in most cases more explicit photos. The 50 reais is not credited towards any meetings you book.
She also has a VIP album with girls that supposedly are models or have done magazine work. Three of the girls we had come from the book. The other three were one from a previous meeting who was from the model album and two of her friends.
All of them were excellent and performed great services. One was Sandra Ricci, previously posted by another member. During our stay three of us had a night with her and all agree she is the hottest sex we have had in RIO!
Back to the Levitra test. It is now 8:00PM and we have shared a few bottles of excellent California CULT Cabs at the pool. We head of to one of our favorite Brazilian Restaurants for dinner. After which we immediately hit Centarus and all sample the talent.
We gather outside and it is now 11:30 and everyone reports that they had normal performance and had no trouble and no one had yet experienced the constant swelling that came with Cialis. We have two options at this time one go back to the hotel and call it a day or HELP!
Since we are really trying to accumulate as much information for all the members on these three vitamins were had to go to Help.
We get in and take the first three tables at the stairs. We did this to try to scan all the girls as they come in. Well, we got a front row seat at a parade. The line for the bag check backed up the stairs and was right in front of us. So we got a close up of the girls before the made the dash to the bar and dance floor.
We decided that each guy could invite two girls to sit with us and have some Champagne.
Knowing that we would chat and decide which girl was going back to the hotel for the night.
We all made our choice and headed back to our hotel, which again is a not close but does not give us any grief about our nightly visitors. We do sign them in but only for security purpose. We are not charged a fee for the night.
The next morning we met at 11:00 AM for our coffee and reports of 23 hours of Levitra.
The Pack had a good night. Everyone had stellar performances and the same with their girl of choice. Three had sex into the AM and then a repeat at wake up time. The other two had wood in the AM but were physically worn out. None of us had any side effects or the constant partial that we experienced with Cialis.
We all hit Luomo at 4:00 PM and then met for snacks, drinks and a cigar at Esch. Great little cigar restaurant in Leblon. It was now 6:30 and we all took our Viagra. Well, within 15 minutes three of us had a mild headache. Unfortunately, not the little head. It stayed mild and constant for one of us but grew more uncomfortable with the other two. Never the less we decided to have a late dinner and hit Barbarellas.
We get there around 11:30 and set up at a table near the stage. It is instant show time at our table. However, no one is reporting any stimulation from the Viagra. Other than the headaches there isn’t any sign that it is working or that we have taken anything. We all set our sights on finding the Mrs. for the night. Slowly the table fills up and we leave to test the V.
The next morning four of us met for coffee and a report on Viagra. The missing member is sick. Not from the headache but a sinus head cold. Everyone had no problems with their performances that night. However, no one went for seconds let alone thirds. In addition, not one of us wanted or tried for any good morning action. Our sick member confirmed the same results later in the day.
So except for the instant headache there wasn’t anything exceptional about the Viagra.
Trying to be fair we decided to abstain for one day and start over using the three in reverse order. Report to follow.
Reference article: http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/77/90395.htm
Chuponalgas,
I'm curious as to which hotel that is?
Thanks, RF
I paid $1,250.00 for my two previous trips to Rio in Aug 03 and Jan 04. Yesterday I bought my ticket from Expedia for $850.00. It was through American Airlines. They're having a pretty big sale right now. HTH
RF
Sal Dali: I've been to RJ twice in the last four months and have n ot been photographed or fingerprinted yet.
The Gringo in Brazil pays the GdP for having sex.
The Brazilian monger pays for the anonymity. If you have an affair it’s always a risk that your wife or girls sniffs it out. A free Brazilian doesn’t pay for sex (or he is a complete fool).
Pimpolho
Thunderthrust: I have never been to the water Park but I do believe it is in Barra De Tijuca. I usually run out of time before I get to it, Im always busy doing other things.
Thanks to all the guys that participated in the "reality check" regarding the cash compensation issue.
I was pretty freaked out at the beauty and the price my first time and might have gone the route of overpaying. But my "seasoned" travel buddy kept me in line.
On another note;
I'll be in Brazil for 2 weeks, then Buenos Aires for another this Oct.
Anybody got advice about a phone that will work in both countries? I do not think my cell phone has the frequency requirements, or will work by simply wsing another SIM card.
Thanks
Can anyone tell me the address for Help? I´ve looked all over old posts and haven´t been able to find an address. There should be some kind of sticked posts with all of places in Rio and their addresses.
1) We weren't photoed or fingerprinted either.
2) We paid under $1100 each through a travel agency including hotels and taxes and everything. I couldn't imagine paying $1250 just for airfare!
3) See next post
Two of us went to L'uomo last night around 9:30pm. We are both down with the local scene back in NY but this was something off the map for us. Thanks to the excellent posters on here we knew exactly what to expect, but the nice thing was that there was absolutely NO bullshit involved with this place, no bill-padding, no clock-watching, nothing of that nature.
I spent 635R and my friend spent 350 or so. He got an hour in the regular suite with one sexy loira and I got a girl/girl package with Susana and Elis in the Super Suite. I highly recommend when you go for the threesome to pick two girls who like to work together; many termas girls and other incall girls are GFs IRL. These sessions always seem to be the best.
The girls I had were far from the best looking in the place but I am very happy with my decision. These two girls were wild. We did just about anything that you'd see in a really good Rocco Sifreddi movie. I actually popped before I could take advantage of Susana's completa the action was just too hot for me. That is not something that usually happens either!@ The showers right in the rooms are such a great luxury. Right as I got out the shower Elis went straight for asian on me. I've never seen such enthusiasm on a girl.
My experience with Rio is right now confined to L'uomo, but I can understand why most mongers on here would consider it to be the best.
Hey Guys,
If your looking for airfare try www.flycheapol.com
I fly out of Phoenix and they have been the cheapest for 2 years, for me it's usually under $700 round trip.....
Hammer
Bambino
There are many GSM handsets working in BA or Rio. In Brazil, the GSM babd is 1800. In BA, the GSM band is 1900, same as US. When you buy a handset, just make sure that it supports at least 1800/1900, is not SIM locked. Then you can use a local SIM card.
My Termas Tour:
Monday-4x4, picked Gleice a blonde, Brittney Spears look. BBBJ and sex in many positions.36 c fake. wore white top and short skirt.
Tuesday-4x4-one of the twins, cute face,braces,big Bunda,close to flat chested.Good BBBJ and sex in many positions in the super suite with hot tub,garden behind glass, king size bed, curved sex chair. shower.
WED- Monte Carlo-Picked a Penelope Cruz look a like. Med Long Brown hair, med Tan, 36c good BBBJ and sex in many positions.
Thursday-Rio Antigo-Med brown hair 38 c, with med size bunda. great BBBJ and sex in many Positions.
Friday-Monte Carlo-Barbie- Brown hir 36c, around 5 feet 4 inches.good BBBJ and sex in many positions.
Sunday-Solarium,bleach Blonde,38c,Great BBBJ and Sex in many positions
Tuesday-Termas 65, med length bleached blonde 38 D, short aroun 5 feet.great BBBJ and sex in multi positions.
Fri-4x4. last day picked Gleice -the Blonde Brittney Spears look.
Havrum:
Help's address is:
Av.Atlântica, 342
Copacabana
Every cabbie in Copacabana knows where Help is located.