Cartagena Reports

[PerkinWarbeck]

All I can do is laugh at the irony in this.

A while back when I said gringos were monopolizing chicas time by flying them out the country for weeks at a time I remember being called a conspiracy theorist (general form section). Even though I saw multiple chicas status in Croatia, Italy, and Paris, along with the usual Cancun, Tulum, Dominican Republic, Panama and Ecuador.

When I said that I saw big paying gringos sending chicas lots of money in advance to secure their availability or paying allot to make sure she's there for them, I remember being called a liar.

Allot of the chicas I see when I go to Cartagena have gringo boyfriends that send them $500 to $1000 a month for them to not sell themselves in the clubs and street but yet they still take on selective customers.

I very rarely dabble in the paid scene since I lived there, but the girls I've been seeing aren't even working ladies under any circumstances. They are actual university girls hoping to get a crappy 1. 2 M COP a month job when they graduate, OR strike it big and get a European or American boyfriend to take them out.

I need to remind you all again. The vast majority of women who engage in the trade are not from Cartagena. They would be shamed and ostracized from their family if it was known that they were in this line of work. Colombians, and especially costeños, are culturally conservative, and they have huge families. All of which will tattle on them if something goes wrong.

The girls you see at Torre De Reloj are from Venezuela, Medellin, Cali, or maybe Barranquilla. They come because they can charge higher prices. The problem is that living in Cartagena is very expensive, so they don't tend to stay there. It just costs to much and they need to get a lot more big ticket clients to make it worth it. It's why girls will only do a few weeks at a budget hotel and then go to Barranquilla.

[Chicago85]

They're not spoiling they're being extorted because the women want more money to go with them --I've been told by numerous women this is the case. So yes they are both raising the prices for us and also making the girls more difficult to deal with because they are hardened by having to work for these guys.

I have heard this as well. I'm not sure what the issue is, but if the girls are being honest, then there's something that turns them off. I will say that I do have a handful of black expat friends I go out with and they have no issues. I think it's just when there are bigger groups of guys. But this is just my armchair sociology. To be honest, I'm sure a big group of fratty white dudes would be horribly unpleasant as well.

[Chicago85]

That is definitely true of the hooker types, but if guys want that now, they have to move on from the hooker types. Almost all my gal's friends had American boyfriends.

I am not so sure what cycle you mean. The pandemic was a one time thing and the amount of fine ladies that made themselves available was unprecedented. What is different with Colombia is there are a lot of diamonds off the beaten path. If you want the prices a local gets, you need to go where the tourists do not go.

Elvis. I'm guessing you're no spring chicken. I am not either as someone in his mid 40's. I think he's referring to economic and monger cycles. Look at currency exchange and the economy. I've been mongering off and on since 2003 or so. Back then it was Argentina and Thailand (both had economy issues). Then Brazil. A little later Costa Rica and the Dominican Republic followed by Colombia. For next I'd look at exchange and value for $$. I thnk Brazil and Argentina may make an appearance again and we'll probably see Venezuela as a destination in 5-6 years if they get a stable government.

[Nypher]

That is definitely true of the hooker types, but if guys want that now, they have to move on from the hooker types. Almost all my gal's friends had American boyfriends.

I am not so sure what cycle you mean. The pandemic was a one time thing and the amount of fine ladies that made themselves available was unprecedented. What is different with Colombia is there are a lot of diamonds off the beaten path. If you want the prices a local gets, you need to go where the tourists do not go.

The "cycle" I was mentioning was the ones who are defending the bad behavior or staying silent about it is unknowingly encouraging it, then years later they will be the same ones to turn around and say how how things are ruined or bad because of what certain people were doing.

The pandemic brought along the YouTubers, and the YouTubers brought along more of the crowd who wanted to "represent". So more people who just want to chill are getting away from certain areas that were too heavily advertised to attract that crowd.

On my current trip I did mostly Barranquilla and Santa Marta before returning to Cartagena. Next time I'm going further out.

[Turgid]

Gringos of all shapes and sizes, ages and hues are banging the same Colombian chicas that you guys are going to Colombia to bang. You must accept that and move on to the next pussy.

[DramaFree11]

Sounds like the market has become saturated with Americans and also Sosua types. Probably Youtube and some other factors have cause some big changes from a decade ago.

I think the market has been saturated for a long time, but now it is becoming more obvious now. The one thing everybody has to realize is all destinations are getting more difficult and expensive. Hard work, some game, and a decent budget are required now.

Elvis is correct to look at the smaller cities in Latin America and Europe, this is where you can find some hot chicks, but that takes time and money. The easy days are over, but there is still plenty of hot chicks and some diamonds in the rough.

[Orgasmico]

That is definitely true of the hooker types, but if guys want that now, they have to move on from the hooker types. Almost all my gal's friends had American boyfriends.

Sounds like the market has become saturated with Americans and also Sosua types. Probably Youtube and some other factors have cause some big changes from a decade ago.

[Elvis 2008]

Chicas went from being a vacation girlfriend who would stay with the gringo for a few days and cook while the gringo take them on all sorts of adventures, to now, they are telling gringos "if you ain't talking dollars then don't talk to me.

That is definitely true of the hooker types, but if guys want that now, they have to move on from the hooker types. Almost all my gal's friends had American boyfriends.

Just give it time and time he cycle will repeat.

I am not so sure what cycle you mean. The pandemic was a one time thing and the amount of fine ladies that made themselves available was unprecedented. What is different with Colombia is there are a lot of diamonds off the beaten path. If you want the prices a local gets, you need to go where the tourists do not go.

[Nypher]

It looks like I struck a nerve with some of the people that I criticized. My intent wasn't to offend. I basically was just saying, "Hey, you took time off work (or whatever); you traveled to another country. Take some time to talk to people, learn about their culture and just show some respect. Treat the ladies like humans. Most of them aren't doing it because they want to. They are doing it because they need to feed their families. ".

Also, you're on vacation, leave the bullshit at home and do as the Romans (or Colombians) do. There is no reason to fight or be angry, you're lucky that you have the ability to travel. Enjoy it.

I'm done with thread. Good luck everyone.

It doesn't matter what you said, someone out there will always find a reason to take it as offensive.

You know what's the irony about a topic like this is? Similar thing happened to Sosua years ago and when brothers who wanted to chill started speaking up about the behavior of others, the ones who like to "represent" came out of nowhere and played the race card and started accusing the chilling brothers who was calling out the nonsense of being against "their people" traveling. The "represent" crowd had no idea that ones who were calling out the nonsense that was happening was part of the same ethic group as them. It was so stupid but funny at the same time because that's always the default defense when they get all high on emotion and start opening their mouths. So lots of "chilling" brothers left Sosua to the other brothers who always want to "represent".

Now, we come to today and the same ones who always want to "represent" that caused allot of "chilling" brothers to leave, are now complaining about the new wave of post pandemic tourists coming in and doing the same type of behavior and worse that the "represent" crowd were defending years ago. So now they spread out and are over in Cartagena displaying the same behavior that they were mad about the post pandemic tourists were doing in Sosua.

Chicas went from being a vacation girlfriend who would stay with the gringo for a few days and cook while the gringo take them on all sorts of adventures, to now, they are telling gringos "if you ain't talking dollars then don't talk to me".

One Cartagena example I can give is I remember when I was in Dolce in 2019 and they had signs up about no recording. If I took my phone out, chicas would hide their face and tell me "no grabar" even the security would tell me I can't do that in there. Right after the pandemic lifted and went back to the same Dolce, just about everyone was in there recording and uploading to social media, even the chicas.

You can't make this shit up LOL.

Just give it time and time he cycle will repeat.

[Kafka]

Try reading back through the reports for the Estespeciallyrom Nypher who is black. This is about Americans who happen to be black. The same Spirit crowd. And there are most definitely enough of them to affect the experience of travelers.

It looks like I struck a nerve with some of the people that I criticized. My intent wasn't to offend. I basically was just saying, "Hey, you took time off work (or whatever); you traveled to another country. Take some time to talk to people, learn about their culture and just show some respect. Treat the ladies like humans. Most of them aren't doing it because they want to. They are doing it because they need to feed their families. ".

Also, you're on vacation, leave the bullshit at home and do as the Romans (or Colombians) do. There is no reason to fight or be angry, you're lucky that you have the ability to travel. Enjoy it.

I'm done with thread. Good luck everyone.

[Mr Enternational]

Treat the ladies like humans. Most of them aren't doing it because they want to. They are doing it because they need to feed their families.

Is there any leeway for a male that may be a drug dealer who is doing it to feed their family? I think that is one of the great lies that mongers tell themselves. Because when I look around I see millions of people who are not doing it and still feeding their families. My manicurist in Santo Domingo is a great example. She came from Venezuela with nothing. Now she has a nice thriving business with all the latest beauty technology. She is fucking gorgeous. Could be out selling ass to "feed her family," but she ain't. Meanwhile there are citizens of said country that have been there way longer than her that will make every excuse why they need to sell ass (same as mongers do for them). It is quick easy money. That being said, I do not care if they are doing it to feed their family, to buy the latest fashion, or to get drugs; I would not treat them any different than anybody else on the planet.

[DramaFree11]

It looks like I struck a nerve with some of the people that I criticized. My intent wasn't to offend. I basically was just saying, "Hey, you took time off work (or whatever); you traveled to another country. Take some time to talk to people, learn about their culture and just show some respect. Treat the ladies like humans. Most of them aren't doing it because they want to. They are doing it because they need to feed their families. ".

Also, you're on vacation, leave the bullshit at home and do as the Romans (or Colombians) do. There is no reason to fight or be angry, you're lucky that you have the ability to travel. Enjoy it.

I'm done with thread. Good luck everyone.

I loved your report, spot on. Some guys get easily offended.

[Michael1967]

It looks like I struck a nerve with some of the people that I criticized. My intent wasn't to offend. I basically was just saying, "Hey, you took time off work (or whatever); you traveled to another country. Take some time to talk to people, learn about their culture and just show some respect. Treat the ladies like humans. Most of them aren't doing it because they want to. They are doing it because they need to feed their families. ".

Also, you're on vacation, leave the bullshit at home and do as the Romans (or Colombians) do. There is no reason to fight or be angry, you're lucky that you have the ability to travel. Enjoy it.

I'm done with thread. Good luck everyone.

[Nypher]

Back on topic, I've seen a bunch of ladies (working and non-working) acquiring European boyfriends. Even a few of the muchachas I know from Universidad Cartagena are off in Italy or Spain for the summer. If I lived there, it would probably be cheaper to just import these girls for a short stay. I might do that in Mexico around Thanksgiving.

All I can do is laugh at the irony in this.

A while back when I said gringos were monopolizing chicas time by flying them out the country for weeks at a time I remember being called a conspiracy theorist (general form section). Even though I saw multiple chicas status in Croatia, Italy, and Paris, along with the usual Cancun, Tulum, Dominican Republic, Panama and Ecuador.

When I said that I saw big paying gringos sending chicas lots of money in advance to secure their availability or paying allot to make sure she's there for them, I remember being called a liar.

Allot of the chicas I see when I go to Cartagena have gringo boyfriends that send them $500 to $1000 a month for them to not sell themselves in the clubs and street but yet they still take on selective customers.

[Mr Enternational]

Unfortunately because of behavior of your brothers Colombian women are not really interested in Africa gringos. The posse crowd has turned Cartagena into another version of Sosua. Since you seem to have a problem with older American gringos peering around the locals maybe you ought to go take at what the large groups of African Americans are doing largely wasting girls' time, eventually lowballing them and moving on to the next party so you getting the benefit of their cheap holidays.

Wait a minute. I thought it was the Sosua guys that have come in and jacked all the prices up and paying in dollars and shit the same as Sosua. Now you are telling us it is actually those guys who are trying to obtain more reasonable prices from the girls and this is a bad thing how? To benefit their cheap holidays? Aren't they they ones known to be weekend millionaires and literally throwing money around? Actually giving away money for nothing? Party crowd? I thought guys went to party places such as LDV because the chicks were there? Why wouldn't the chicks switch to going to non-party places to pick up tricks if they were not there to party as well?

Now of course you can not switch over to this side of the argument because it will only leave one reason as to why you are pointing at them. If Colombian women are not interested in Black guys I must have been going to the wrong Colombia for the last 20 years. And I probably mess with 95% non-hookers and only 5% hookers there. Somebody better tell all of my Colombian ex and present normal girlfriends that they are not supposed to be interested in me.