Bogota Reports

[WhoShotJR]

I wonder when they put out these numbers of deaths if they are counting the old flu in with this new one. If so then it is not as bad as the numbers tell us.

This is an interesting question. Recent antibody studies in California and New York suggest 30-80 times as many people reported as having had COVID-19 have already been exposed to the virus (10-25% of the population). This, alone, lowers the mortality rate from 2-4% to less than 1%, perhaps less than 0. 5%. The flu has a mortality rate of 0. 1% if not a bit lower.

But you asked about the accuracy of the count, and there is some monkey business going on in that regard. A death is being counted as a COVID death if the person died after being exposed to the virus. Even if the person died in a car accident. So, the virus death count is people who died with the virus, not necessarily because of the virus.

Stage 4 cancer patients often finally succumb to pneumonia, but their death is generally attributed to the cancer, and the pneumonia may be mentioned as a contributing factor. If that same patient gets this virus, the death is listed as a COVID death. This is one reason why the rates of death for other causes is down since this pandemic started.

Finally, deaths prior to the pandemic are being reviewed, and if there is some evidence that they may have had COVID-19, they are being added to the death tolls. So, if they died from the flu, they may be counted as a COVID-19 death since symptoms are so similar.

I have no special medical knowledge, or anything, but I suspect this virus will ultimately have a death rate less than 0.4%. Ultimately, I believe 80% of us will be exposed, and some won't even know it. Our reaction to shutting down a very large segment of the economy will also have a cost, both economic and psychological. I fear we are obsessed with saving lives (in the short term) and not realizing the true cost of extended shutdowns.

[John Gault]

This virus is obviously much more than a flu. We've take unprescidented measures to limit this and it's still killed more than the flu. It's bad.

Still, I prefer the Sweden model. Yes I think go keep our normal way of life and normal economy it would be worth it. 88% of the people hospitalized in NY from this had 2 preexisting conditions. These are people who were already unhealthy.

Your resistance level I think is the key to this whole flu business. For the last few years many people have died from the regular flu. I have been around many people who caught the flu but I did not. Now this new virus is way more easy to pass from person to person. That said if a person is careful on his lifestyle then he has a way better chance to avoid being sick. I'm not just talking about masks. I'm referring to eating right, getting exercise, and getting enough sleep.

I wonder when they put out these numbers of deaths if they are counting the old flu in with this new one. If so then it is not as bad as the numbers tell us.

[Woodman09]

The situation is so odd here, poor Venezuelans are cooking with fires on the sidewalk. Santa Fe area is road blocked to traffic with dozens of cops just hanging out. You can walk into Santa Fe and there are girls during day and the cops don't say a thing to me, girls day / boys day does not seem to be enforced. I ran into one of my favorite barely legal girls banged her twice. About an hour after dark the cops close everything.

[HumanBeing1]

Elvis. Your "logic" is the same as "herd immunity" or the Swedish model.

I have tried to explain the Swedish model to them. Some get it and some don't. Sweden's approach was to implement suggested social distancing but to keep the economy going. Earlier this week Sweden had 2000 deaths in a population of about 10 MM. Sweden's population density is 60 people per square mile. BTW, Sweden has not reached herd density yet.

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, we have a population 33 times larger and our population density is almost 50% higher at 87 people per square mile. So the math is (2000 * 33) + 50% = 99,000. And the USA would still not have reached herd immunity.

In other words, if the US did what Sweden did, our death toll would be double what it is today. Is that acceptable? If you say yes, would you also say yes if everybody that you knew was included in that 100,000 figure?

This virus is obviously much more than a flu. We've take unprescidented measures to limit this and it's still killed more than the flu. It's bad.

Still, I prefer the Sweden model. Yes I think go keep our normal way of life and normal economy it would be worth it. 88% of the people hospitalized in NY from this had 2 preexisting conditions. These are people who were already unhealthy.

[KangarooTed]

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, ?

Or, even better if we don't.

Why not post this info in the USA thread where it may be of interest to those of you from the USA.

What's happening or hypothetically may happen in the US.

Really.

Kanga.

[KangarooTed]

People always complaining about limited food options or plain boring food in Bogota. I never found that to be the case.

Just saw this article in the newspaper. I have eaten at some of these bakeries but didn't know about the Pacific Seafood restuarant, or the cheese specialties:

"Parkway could also be dubbed "Bakery Row" given the many family-run establishments that cater to the sweet tooth of Bogotanos. Today, there is no shortage of pizzerias to choose from. Pastelera Rommanoti on the corner of Cra 28 with Calle 37 is where you'll find bread pilgrims hunched over hot chocolate and sugar-glazed rolls. The more austere Pastelera Toledo (Calle 45 with Cra 24) refers to itself as a "wedding bakery" with stands decked with jarring colorful cakes.

The Parkway / Palermo corridor caters to students from Universidad Nacional. And many others, especially those food-dedicated, endure with a no-frills take on gastronomy, such as the Pacific seafood restaurant Pescadera the'Apolonia (Cra 24 No. 49 A-0). Here, you can enjoy a heaping platter of fried fish with coconut rice and bowl of fish stew sancocho on the side. Across Carrera 24 from the street front of this restaurant is another popular restaurant Al Gratin, which specializes in cheese dishes, including lasagna, and offers a daily special for $15,000 pesos."

I pass this location when I walk from Santa Fe to Chapinero and it's close to the Body Care gym I go to on Calle 45.

The fish stew looks like a winner!

Kanga.

[Bbbj Cim Dude]

Hi guys,

Thanks for posting your experiences here to help out others participating in the craft. Got a couple of questions.

Since everyone's mongering style varies person to person, I'll just share what I prefer. In my last few trips to Bangkok, I prefer to just go in for a quick BBBJ CIM in one of the Thai BJ bars. It's quick, it's cheap, and there's nothing I like more in the world than having my dick sucked. Typically I'm looking at 10-15 minutes from the time I spot the girl until the deed is done and I'm typically out 800-1000 THB ($28-$33 USD).

After RTFF's, Santa Fe is really drawing me in. As far as I can tell, 30,000 to 50,000 COP for a 30 min session seemed to be the going rate. I'm assuming another 10,000 COP for the short-time hotel. Does this sound correct so far? I'm assuming this is "todo" with "sin ropa. " As far as extras, specifically BBBJ CIM, what am I looking at cost-wise? Or, is that generally the case. Also, do most of the girls perform DFK as part of their services generally, or is this too an extra?

Currency, recommendations on how to change currency? What do you guys usually do? In Thailand, I typically just take bank notes with me and exchange at Vasu, Super Rich (or TT in Pattaya). In Costa Rica, I just used the ATM at the airport.

I can't wait for this pandemic to be over so I can start delivering my loads to hungry mouths again. BTW, if anyone needs a wingman, I'm up for either Bogota or Medellin. Once we can travel again, I can go anytime.

[PVMonger]

I am glad that you are okay too Woodman! I just looked at recent data showing Covid is just way more contagious than the flu and the death rate is about the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c04R...em-uploademail.

Here is a White House Guy on the Covid task force telling another guy the death rate data on Covid is no worse than the flu. The line "You can take off the mask, Doug" should be instructive for anyone. By the way, the California data showing wide spread and previously unheard of levels of cases of Covid was also confirmed in New York with a study there.

Thing is that after scaring the shit out of everyone it is hard to unscare people especially when scientists have been deriding anyone saying this is "just the flu". It turns out it was just the flu but just a super contagious version of it. This virus attacks over 2 months versus the usual 6 or so. You will see like everything else in a week or two people agreeing with me but until then we have to wait for the painful process of people getting unscared.

Here is one guy out today saying the same thing I was yesterday: https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation..

Elvis. Your "logic" is the same as "herd immunity" or the Swedish model.

I have tried to explain the Swedish model to them. Some get it and some don't. Sweden's approach was to implement suggested social distancing but to keep the economy going. Earlier this week Sweden had 2000 deaths in a population of about 10 MM. Sweden's population density is 60 people per square mile. BTW, Sweden has not reached herd density yet.

If we apply those same numbers to the USA, we have a population 33 times larger and our population density is almost 50% higher at 87 people per square mile. So the math is (2000 * 33) + 50% = 99,000. And the USA would still not have reached herd immunity.

In other words, if the US did what Sweden did, our death toll would be double what it is today. Is that acceptable? If you say yes, would you also say yes if everybody that you knew was included in that 100,000 figure?

[KangarooTed]

Straya borders to possibly open in 3 to 4 months.

The undetermined is will people still have to quarantine in and out of countries. Hopefully not？.

A quick temperature reading or a certificate of clear test on departure should be sufficient one would hope.

Overseas holiday.

Earlier this week, Professor Murphy said Australia's international borders would remain closed for at least another three to four months.

"The international situation at the moment is such that any relaxation of border measures would be very risky," he told a senate committee.

Kanga.

[Colbert1]

I am glad that you are okay too Woodman! I just looked at recent data showing Covid is just way more contagious than the flu and the death rate is about the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c04R...em-uploademail.

Here is a White House Guy on the Covid task force telling another guy the death rate data on Covid is no worse than the flu. The line "You can take off the mask, Doug" should be instructive for anyone. By the way, the California data showing wide spread and previously unheard of levels of cases of Covid was also confirmed in New York with a study there.

Thing is that after scaring the shit out of everyone it is hard to unscare people especially when scientists have been deriding anyone saying this is "just the flu". It turns out it was just the flu but just a super contagious version of it. This virus attacks over 2 months versus the usual 6 or so. You will see like everything else in a week or two people agreeing with me but until then we have to wait for the painful process of people getting unscared.

Here is one guy out today saying the same thing I was yesterday: https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation.

What will be needed is for the USA To take the lead and admit the negatives of social and border isolation outweigh the supposed benefits.

Assuming I and others are right, what is your take on things there? The chicas I have been talking to are desperate, and I have been able to communicate with ones that I had been trying to for months. I think the chicas may be gun shy for a month or so, but my bet is that in a month or two, Bogota and Colombia will be off the fucking chain.

You are profoundly misinformed. In two weeks from now you will be ashamed.

[Elvis 2008]

I think after things open a bit more there will be more street action at least. Also the casas probably will be a good possibility.

I am glad that you are okay too Woodman! I just looked at recent data showing Covid is just way more contagious than the flu and the death rate is about the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c04R...em-uploademail.

Here is a White House Guy on the Covid task force telling another guy the death rate data on Covid is no worse than the flu. The line "You can take off the mask, Doug" should be instructive for anyone. By the way, the California data showing wide spread and previously unheard of levels of cases of Covid was also confirmed in New York with a study there.

Thing is that after scaring the shit out of everyone it is hard to unscare people especially when scientists have been deriding anyone saying this is "just the flu". It turns out it was just the flu but just a super contagious version of it. This virus attacks over 2 months versus the usual 6 or so. You will see like everything else in a week or two people agreeing with me but until then we have to wait for the painful process of people getting unscared.

Here is one guy out today saying the same thing I was yesterday: https://thehill.com/opinion/healthca...otal-isolation.

What will be needed is for the USA To take the lead and admit the negatives of social and border isolation outweigh the supposed benefits.

Assuming I and others are right, what is your take on things there? The chicas I have been talking to are desperate, and I have been able to communicate with ones that I had been trying to for months. I think the chicas may be gun shy for a month or so, but my bet is that in a month or two, Bogota and Colombia will be off the fucking chain.

[YyzTravel]

Everything is still shut down but many restaurants are open for take out. Nothing like it's legendary past but there are a few streetie sweeties that use hotels that are clandestinely open. Police move along periodically. Everything is closed by 9 pm. During the day you can meet girls in the streets downtown many out walking around.

I think after things open a bit more there will be more street action at least. Also the casas probably will be a good possibility.

This is amazing news. I have a trip in October and I'm really looking forward to it; Glad to see it's slowly coming back to life there.

[Woodman09]

Everything is still shut down but many restaurants are open for take out. Nothing like it's legendary past but there are a few streetie sweeties that use hotels that are clandestinely open. Police move along periodically. Everything is closed by 9 pm. During the day you can meet girls in the streets downtown many out walking around.

I think after things open a bit more there will be more street action at least. Also the casas probably will be a good possibility.

[John Gault]

I disagree. Depending on the time you land you can clear customs in as little as 30 minutes. If Santa Fe opens up you can be there in 20 minutes from airport. Another possibility is La Mezzanine in the north and depending on the hour you can be there in 45 minutes. Never have spent more then 1 hour getting to my gate. 6 hours should be plenty of time to bang 1 or 2 girls.

Mr. Woodman glad to see your ok. I was worried about you as it seemed you had some symtoms when I saw you in bog in March.

As far as this guy wanting to hook up for the few hours he is in Bog well since he said he is going to Peru and this is a very short layover I will personally guarentee him there is pussy in Peru if he could wait a few hours.

[Ryck II]

Argentina has the most beautiful women in the world. My best mongering was in Buenos Aires up to 2010.

My two cents, I was in BA in 2011 for work, didn't know much about the apartments there, so just checked in the news paper and found one near my hotel. It was a really big apartment in an old but very well maintained building. I went up and sat down, a drink was offered. The "madam" was very friendly and kept on asking what kind of girls I would like so she could filter the presentation because there were more than 15 girls. I told her I want them young, slim and pretty. She laughed but then she came back with such a beauty. 18 years old, natural blonde, white skin, lovely smile, a bit cold but she was so pretty. I told her she is perfect and then the madam took me to a room, a big room with a big bed and dimmed lights. She offered BBBJ or condom BJ and I told her BBBJ. It was rare that this was offered because in Bogotá at the time it was rare for working girls to do BBBJ. Anyhow I paid, madam left and then comes the pretty blond dressed in a white transparent negligee with matching g-string panties. She was so incredible beautiful. We talked a bit, then we kissed, then we touched a bit and then she went for the condom to do BJ but I told her I had agreed with the madam on BBBJ, she said ok, and started a wonderful wet BBBJ. Then we had sex in several positions, she let me DATY and even touch her asshole a bit. She seemed new to the business although you never know. I asked if I could come on her boobs and she said ok, so condom out and I finished on her boobs and then she sucked me a bit more. Gave her a tip and off I went. Tried next day but she was not there and then my trip was over. Great experience. Can't remember the price exactly but it was around 40 USD.