Bogota Reports

[JackTaggart]

I never understood the logic behind guys saying that they think barebacking a girl from seeking or facebook is any less of a risk that barebacking a street girl from botero or a casa girl or what have you.

The risk is going to be the same across the board. And if she is letting you bareback her then you can bet your sweet ass that she's letting other guys do it too.

I could maybe kind of sort of see some amount of logic in a girl with a GPS that charges like 800 mil per hour might be lower mileage. You still don't know. But not many people are paying that. And yeah she probably has a boyfriend. Or an old pre-GPS regular. But overall, she probably is much lower mileage.

And I have had some of the girls that asked for slightly more money also wanting to do std tests ahead of time. Which doesn't guarantee still. But I think there's an argument there that it lowers the risk somewhat. I haven't been able to get a few of them to budge. One even suggested that she wear a female condom until we could get tested. She was cool with 200 mil per meet but had all those extra conditions and was looking for long term.

The above situations are extreme outliers though in my experience.

But I've also barebacked hundreds of girls last few years. Street, casa, club, seeking, and other apps. No STDs. I do take prep though. I definitely have higher risk than someone only fucking a few times per year. But. Well, it is what it is.

[JackTaggart]

Thanks for the Map photo World Traveler I appreciate it.

And Jack I assumed the houses or apartments that I was directed to from ads on prepagos and Mileroticos were Casas. Girls usually werent the ones texting back and answering ads and they had a room rented I guess sometimes two in one room. They were there 6 days a week 11 am to 11 pm.

Am I right in Saying Tantra Spa is not a casa. Thought that was considered Spa / Massage place but seemed like a normal brothel to me.

Thanks for the advice I definitely plan to walk around one nice afternoon and pop into a few to see the talent. Will keep an eye out for the guys promoting Chicas outside.

During the week is the best time. Don't try Sunday unless you have no choice. Holidays don't bother.

To me I guess I use casa or brothel interchangeably. Maybe someone else can chime in. It's is a place you show up. Go inside and it usually has bench seating. Usually playing music. They offer to sell drinks and you can get a line up of the available girls. Usually between 4 and 10 will be working / available. Sometimes more sometimes less. If you like one, you can call her over or often a guy will come over and ask what you want. You can then make small talk if you want. Or long talk if you buy her a drink. I personally get straight to the point and ask what extras she offers. And how much. In every one that I've been in recently it's 50 mil for 30 minutes as the base rate. So I don't bother asking that part.

If you come to terms, you say vamos. Pay the base rate and / or the total you negotiated. I typically pay the base rate downstairs only. Then you go to an onsite bedroom usually upstairs for sexy time.

If you don't like the discussion, you can ask to talk to a different girl. If you don't, you can hang out and wait. Or you can leave and move onto the next one.

So. Tantra spa is a casa to me still. It's just a small room and much more direct atmosphere. And you don't have to negotiate the bbj, which can be nice.

[Casa No Va]

That map is a great reference. It gives you a good idea of the area to walk around. And once you are in the general area, most of them are easy to find because there is almost always a guy outside that will alert you to "chicas". They will open the door for you. Lots of them are grouped together. If you have 1 to 2 hours to kill and are comfortable it's a nice afternoon to explore and go in and out until you find a girl you like.

I haven't done the escort websites recently, but I never found any ads that turned out to be a casa. Some were apartments that had multiple girls. But those were different from the casas I'm familiar with. But maybe they are advertising that way.

Thanks for the Map photo World Traveler I appreciate it.

And Jack I assumed the houses or apartments that I was directed to from ads on prepagos and Mileroticos were Casas. Girls usually werent the ones texting back and answering ads and they had a room rented I guess sometimes two in one room. They were there 6 days a week 11 am to 11 pm.

Am I right in Saying Tantra Spa is not a casa. Thought that was considered Spa / Massage place but seemed like a normal brothel to me.

Thanks for the advice I definitely plan to walk around one nice afternoon and pop into a few to see the talent. Will keep an eye out for the guys promoting Chicas outside.

[JackTaggart]

Here is a Map of the area.

That map is a great reference. It gives you a good idea of the area to walk around. And once you are in the general area, most of them are easy to find because there is almost always a guy outside that will alert you to "chicas". They will open the door for you. Lots of them are grouped together. If you have 1 to 2 hours to kill and are comfortable it's a nice afternoon to explore and go in and out until you find a girl you like.

I haven't done the escort websites recently, but I never found any ads that turned out to be a casa. Some were apartments that had multiple girls. But those were different from the casas I'm familiar with. But maybe they are advertising that way.

[Gabacho]

I think the seeking and app girls are just as high a risk. It takes 0 effort to go bareback with most of them. And I am generally offering 200 mil for 2 to 3 hours. So it's not like I'm a high roller. Some just jump on with no warning.

Hell, I took one girl to a gloryhole / gangbang place the first time I met her and she didn't really bat an eye. Filled her up 10 minutes after meeting for the first time.

At least with the casa, club, or photoprepagaros types some say hell no. Money doesn't change the equation. I just don't find that for the most part with seeking or other app girls. And most of the girls don't even charge extra. They just say "sip".

I never understood the logic behind guys saying that they think barebacking a girl from seeking or facebook is any less of a risk that barebacking a street girl from botero or a casa girl or what have you.

The risk is going to be the same across the board. And if she is letting you bareback her then you can bet your sweet ass that she's letting other guys do it too.

[World Travel 69]

Here is a Map of the area.

Hey Jack.

Are there a bunch of Chapinero Casas located in the same vecinity.

I've been to Tantra Spa and Bar which arent Casas.

But I have been to some casas near Tantra that I've been directed to after contacting milerotico ads and such.

I'm wondering if those locales change often or if I can go back and just ring the doorbell to see their lineup.

Or if they only take online Whattsapp reservations.

Guess the more ads I try the more locales I will find. But just in case there are a few lined up in the same few blocks for walking and perusing I had to ask. Thanks.

Also are seeking casas out in neighborhoods like Kennedy during the day somewhat safe. I know risk can't be eliminated fully but thought ID ask. Maybe Tesaquillo casas would be safer. Thanks.

[JackTaggart]

I don't think your risk categories are of value. The "regulars" may be having more bb sex than the "pros". Pros will sometimes try to minimize their risk and the so called regulars or seeking girls or whatever may not. Just think. If someone will have bb with you they will have it with others. And. If they will have sex with you there is no difference anyway.

I think the seeking and app girls are just as high a risk. It takes 0 effort to go bareback with most of them. And I am generally offering 200 mil for 2 to 3 hours. So it's not like I'm a high roller. Some just jump on with no warning.

Hell, I took one girl to a gloryhole / gangbang place the first time I met her and she didn't really bat an eye. Filled her up 10 minutes after meeting for the first time.

At least with the casa, club, or photoprepagaros types some say hell no. Money doesn't change the equation. I just don't find that for the most part with seeking or other app girls. And most of the girls don't even charge extra. They just say "sip".

[Zeos1]

How to go about finding BBFS?

I've been through the wringer now and am a little bored if anything that isn't true GFE with BBFS. What's your best ways to find this with minimal risk? I know Tinder with a regular girl or Seeking with a semi-pro is probably the best bet for lowest risk of disease and all that but also I don't want to fool around too much with dating and going out. I actually hate going out, I just want to build a little bit of a rapport and get it over with.

I don't think your risk categories are of value. The "regulars" may be having more bb sex than the "pros". Pros will sometimes try to minimize their risk and the so called regulars or seeking girls or whatever may not. Just think. If someone will have bb with you they will have it with others. And. If they will have sex with you there is no difference anyway.

[Elvis 2008]

Thank you for your fast and helpful reply!

I took a scroll through Seeking and the talent does seem pretty good. I think my ideal visit is just about a week long. Would this be long enough to meet a couple seeking girls and rotate through them? How much do you discuss pay-for-play ahead of time? Do you ask them what 'services' they provide? I'm in my 40's and chubby. Is this going to put a damper on this 'dating' style? I'm coming from just some dabbling in the Mexico City scene and that pretty much all escorts. I'm really curious about this wonderland that is Bogotas SA scene, strip club scene and the casas.

Define what you want. If you are just looking to get laid, just stay with the P4 P women. If you are able to stay in Colombia for longer or have a job where you can go back and forth, then and only then would I use seeking. Seeking is for long term and make sure you move off the site to whatsapp if you have to talk money.

I used seeking first in 2019 when very few if any guys here were using it. Most my dates were first timers back then, and I had to make up things as I went because no one here was talking about it, but I have learned a ton. Since then, I landed a Colombian woman my friends say is a 10 and we have been together 3 years now. I never imagined getting someone like her was even possible for someone like me.

You are 40 and chubby, and I am in my 50's in overweight. Chances are you are getting good looking women in the USA but you are having to pay them. The only women looking at you are 5 or below or only interested in you for money, and you think you deserve better than that.

When I came to Colombia, the women were nicer than American ones, and these were even the typical hooker types I was comfortable with, but there were also a lot of women who seemed like they wanted to date me, and I was skeptical of women who were like that especially the hottest ones. (The 10 types have been snatched up now. A lot popped up during the pandemic, but they would be much harder to find now).

This video is funny but true: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pInk1rV2VEg. but the part I want to talk about concerns men. The guy in the video says with women there is a certain point where a guy is so rich, looks do not matter. Whatever that amount is in the USA, multiply it by 10 when you are in Colombia. So if you are making $100,000 per year in the USA, you should act in Colombia like a guy making a million per year here. Now you cannot act like that in the P4 P market or women hanging around a lot of foreigners.

So if you see those P4 P types, you do like you would do here. Pay them and have your fun or not. Knowing what I know now, that is not who I would be after. I am after long term. What I learned is the lower classes are so poor, they cannot afford to think long term. Forget about a relationship with someone who is not white collar or studying to be white collar.

So first time I was in Colombia, I was at the Hotel Ibis. Nice place but rooms are Motel 6 like and most women behaved like I was a typical monger. I did not dress up and was projecting that I was making little money. By chance, I moved into the nicer hotels but not much more expensive (Dann Carlton is five star and like $90 a night), started dressing nicer, and the stress level of the women went down. It seemed like every one in two or three would not even ask about money. Yes, they would fuck me bare all night without a price. And I would slip something in the purse, but after that, I got to a point where I did not even do that and schedule repeat dates, and most if not all wanted to meet again. What I said is that hookers generally performed better than the seeking women, but the seeking women who fucked without a price were probably the overall best women I had.

What I know now that I did not then is I have been around the upper classes of Colombian women. What happens with them is they are sheltered all through high school, are usually virgins, go to college and are let free. That is when they usually first have sex, but it is no big deal to cheat in Colombia, and the women are very catholic, so if they get pregnant, it is highly likely they are going to have the kid. 80% of the children are born to single moms. In Colombia then, it is easy to find a Colombian man who is macho, attractive, funny, physical fit, and a good dancer. What is hard to find there is a nice, loyal, well to do guy. In some ways, it is the opposite of the USA then.

So I had this 10 type who liked me and did not seem to want to leave my side. I was not comfortable with it. I was used to the 10 types who got their money and took off. I was like, WTF are you doing with me? You can get anyone. It took a while but I finally got it. She had the macho, good looking, cheating, physically violent guy who left her stranded with a kid and did nothing to support her. And it is not just her, but all her friends who are typically attractive, intelligent ETC can get a good looking guy like that easily.

That said, do not think you are go to Colombia and get a 10. It is a far different thing to think what I said is true versus acting like it is true and feeling that is true. That only comes with time and experience. Thing is I was looking for sugar babies not a GF, but you never know. But like I said, just do the hookers if you have no time.

[JackTaggart]

It's super easy to get BBFS with the Chapinero casas girls. GFE though? Not exactly in my experience. But I'm also not typically trying for that / asking them to visit me. You could probably get one to start visiting you. But it requires finding her and getting a number.

Seeking, real girlfriend, building rapport with an agency girl seem like your options. Agency girl doesn't require leaving your place I guess.

Edit. I didn't mean to do another post. I guess I started editing before the 1 hour time limit to edit.

I've got about 10 GFE BBFS girls in my roster right now. #1 and #2 have apartment privileges while the rest I still meet at a near by love motel. I have cultivated them from the sources that require some rapport building effort. Not that much though. I just act like myself. And I will smoke weed, drink alcohol, get food. Or just fuck depending on the girl.

[Casa No Va]

It's super easy to get BBFS with the Chapinero casas girls. GFE though? Not exactly in my experience. But I'm also not typically trying for that / asking them to visit me. You could probably get one to start visiting you. But it requires finding her and getting a number.

Seeking, real girlfriend, building rapport with an agency girl seem like your options. Agency girl doesn't require leaving your place I guess.

Hey Jack.

Are there a bunch of Chapinero Casas located in the same vecinity.

I've been to Tantra Spa and Bar which arent Casas.

But I have been to some casas near Tantra that I've been directed to after contacting milerotico ads and such.

I'm wondering if those locales change often or if I can go back and just ring the doorbell to see their lineup.

Or if they only take online Whattsapp reservations.

Guess the more ads I try the more locales I will find. But just in case there are a few lined up in the same few blocks for walking and perusing I had to ask. Thanks.

Also are seeking casas out in neighborhoods like Kennedy during the day somewhat safe. I know risk can't be eliminated fully but thought ID ask. Maybe Tesaquillo casas would be safer. Thanks.

[JackTaggart]

How to go about finding BBFS?

I've been through the wringer now and am a little bored if anything that isn't true GFE with BBFS. What's your best ways to find this with minimal risk? I know Tinder with a regular girl or Seeking with a semi-pro is probably the best bet for lowest risk of disease and all that but also I don't want to fool around too much with dating and going out. I actually hate going out, I just want to build a little bit of a rapport and get it over with.

It's super easy to get BBFS with the Chapinero casas girls. GFE though? Not exactly in my experience. But I'm also not typically trying for that / asking them to visit me. You could probably get one to start visiting you. But it requires finding her and getting a number.

Seeking, real girlfriend, building rapport with an agency girl seem like your options. Agency girl doesn't require leaving your place I guess.

[SlowBlow]

How to go about finding BBFS?

I've been through the wringer now and am a little bored if anything that isn't true GFE with BBFS. What's your best ways to find this with minimal risk? I know Tinder with a regular girl or Seeking with a semi-pro is probably the best bet for lowest risk of disease and all that but also I don't want to fool around too much with dating and going out. I actually hate going out, I just want to build a little bit of a rapport and get it over with.

[JackTaggart]

Thank you for your fast and helpful reply!

I took a scroll through Seeking and the talent does seem pretty good. I think my ideal visit is just about a week long. Would this be long enough to meet a couple seeking girls and rotate through them? How much do you discuss pay-for-play ahead of time? Do you ask them what 'services' they provide? I'm in my 40's and chubby. Is this going to put a damper on this 'dating' style? I'm coming from just some dabbling in the Mexico City scene and that pretty much all escorts. I'm really curious about this wonderland that is Bogotas SA scene, strip club scene and the casas.

With minimal seeking experience and about 1 week here is what I would recommend.

1) definitely do an agency if your looking for a specific body type to sorta check that box. I would maybe do this the first night so you get the process down and so you can use it as a backup if a seeking situation that falls through.

2) try Tantra Spa and / the other day time casas in Chapinero for at least 1 or 2 days. I've found some gems and you get to see before you buy. So I recommend this to kinda hedge your bet.

3) read back in my post history. I've made a few posts about my strategies and some talk tracks. Now it's what worked for me. And I obviously don't know your style. But if you have the funds it's totally worth giving it a go. But if you put all your eggs in one basket you could end up disappointed.

But to summarize my experience. As long as you avoid Instagram models / highly photoshopped girls. You are generally going to have a good experience. Read my post history, but I had a category that we wouldn't talk money. Meet up for drinks (I am sure they would have said yes to dinner). And then we would go to a motel.

I'm not going to lie. Depending on your style and / or luck. Seeking might not work out and could lead to disappointment if you only focus on it.

One last thing that maybe some people might disagree. Because it was true. I was able to say that I will be visiting a lot and I am looking for someone that I have chemistry with to see often. I feel like that brought down some barriers based on the typical girl I was going after.

For your other questions - again, I think my post history might help. I never asked about services though. I often avoided sex and money talk. Unless they forced it - I would say " let's meet for drinks. And if we both feel comfortable we can go to a motel" or "take things from there". Sometimes they say no. Sometimes they ask how much. Sometimes they say "sip!" Which means yup. I generally found that once I got them in the room going down on them led to wonderful sexy time. If your into super super specific stuff and it's important then you could consider bringing stuff up
But I like go with the flow.

I would they have them meet maybe at a BBC during the day and have a love motel selected within walking distance. Motelnow is an app you can look for.

I haven't used seeking in like 16 months. I was often going with 200,000 for the girls that didn't ask about money. When they asked, it was between 200,000 to 300,000. Obviously some will ask for 500,000 or more. Obviously your call how you negotiate. For me it was a heck no for 400,000+.

Your looks generally won't matter. I was 220 lbs 5 11 . Maybe pushing 230. Wear clean cloths. You don't need to dress fancy. I would wear jeans, t-shirt, and kinda crappy shoes. But I was clean. If yu have body odor issues definitely take care of that. But Bogota is usually around 65 degrees during the day. And a bit cooler at night. So us guys that sweat a lot (not pointing fingers at you) can have an easier time staying presentable / smelling good.

One last thing that all depends on both your comfort level and game. But some of the girls I met were clearly on the down low. I had one 22 year old English teacher at a private school that was just amazing. But she didn't like to be seen out a lot and wanted to chill at my Airbnb and get rappi. Fuck. Watch movies / documentaries. I literally do not care if she just didn't want to be seen out with me. Or if it would be all men above 35.

So yeah - you kinda just got to try it. And see what works.

[FrankWyke]

How long will you be here? If more than a week and your looking for chill college type girls and more gfe+, you might try seeking. It's freakn awesome in Bogota.

Thank you for your fast and helpful reply!

I took a scroll through Seeking and the talent does seem pretty good. I think my ideal visit is just about a week long. Would this be long enough to meet a couple seeking girls and rotate through them? How much do you discuss pay-for-play ahead of time? Do you ask them what 'services' they provide? I'm in my 40's and chubby. Is this going to put a damper on this 'dating' style? I'm coming from just some dabbling in the Mexico City scene and that pretty much all escorts. I'm really curious about this wonderland that is Bogotas SA scene, strip club scene and the casas.